Holy shit
David A McIntee
Honour knows what I mean)
I think this'll be the JFK assassination for the under-40s...
Let's hear no talk of arresting and trying the culprits though- just kill
the fuckers. I mean, hijacked passenger planes means hundreds of deaths
(watching the shot of one hitting the tower is just more than I can bear),
and there are something like 50,000 people work in the towers...
As I write this they're saying there's been another crash in Pittsburgh,
(they all seem to be 767s) and an F15 was up a few minutes ago on ITV's
coverage, so we can but hope they shot down the fourth plane before it hit
the target.
Marco Mantai
Lets pray for all who died!!!
RIP
David A McIntee
unaccounted for- leaving the choice of shooting down planeloads of
passengers or letting them crash into buildings.
Apparently the European Parliament is being evacuated now.
Hank Tiffany
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, David A McIntee wrote:
> Have I suddenly slipped into Tom-Clancy-world? (anybody who's read Debt Of
> Honour knows what I mean)
>
> I think this'll be the JFK assassination for the under-40s...
No comparison. More like Pearl Harbor, Day of Infamy stuff, much
more important than the killing of a 2nd rate politician. Nobody
around where I lived (Ames, Iowa) gave two hoots about JFK
getting shot (except for the Token Liberal) but *everybody*
knew where they were when they heard about Pearl Harbor.
Hank Tiffany
Rabid Hoojib
> David A McIntee wrote:
This is already WAY beyond Pearl Harbour, casualty-wise, approximately 3300
people died in that attack, there is the potential for WAY more in these
attacks..
> 8========##<^>##========8
>>>---> {Rabid Hoojib}
> 8========##<^>##========8
"Fear is a warship that gets PMS..." --Çheetah!
robert...@home.com
people say "Remember the Trade Center" just before putting a bullet in some
terrorist scum. There is no way Bush and Washington will be able to take
this lying down. That would be political suicide. Once the responsible
parties are known; someone's country is gonna get leveled.
"Rabid Hoojib" <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
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Andrew
into real life. It is just so sad I can not believe that The Twin Towers
are gone!
David A McIntee wrote in message
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~Brian~
tailing them.
Of course we'll be hearing rumors all day so I don't know how much validity
this has behind it.
Brian
Rabid Hoojib
at me:
>
>This should mean 'WAR". I put it like that because I have no problem hearing
>people say "Remember the Trade Center" just before putting a bullet in some
>terrorist scum. There is no way Bush and Washington will be able to take
>this lying down. That would be political suicide. Once the responsible
>parties are known; someone's country is gonna get leveled.
That's exactly what's gonna happen..
They were just showing all these motherfucking Palestinians celebrating in the
streets, bastards!
anon
of the plane called in from a Cell phone. And I believe US Airways
(can't remember the exact name of that Airline) reports also another
lost plane (not physically lost, but radio contact).
Blood needs to be shed for this. I don't care if it was some foreign
group or some domestic group. This is exactly why we have the death
penalty. For the scum of the earth that would kill innocent people to
further their cause. People who would do this or know about this or
are involved in it anyway don't deserve to take another breath. I
hope we won't hold back on the might of our Country. God may bless
America but we are the only ones that are going to save it.
Btw, loved the Bush statement about going to "hunt them down"... We
shouldn't "find" out who did it, we should hunt down who's responsible
like the dogs they are.
THE PRICE OF FREEDOM IS VIGILENCE.... Too bad we had to have thousands
of people killed and injured to remind us of that...
Colin Hayman
>
> Let's hear no talk of arresting and trying the culprits though- just kill
> the fuckers.
I'm with you. Hanging's too good for them. Hell, /anything/ is too
good for them.
Brad Filippone
Had to put it down. The Cybermen have been outdone by real life.
Brad
terry king
> This should mean 'WAR". I put it like that because I have no problem hearing
> people say "Remember the Trade Center" just before putting a bullet in some
> terrorist scum. There is no way Bush and Washington will be able to take
> this lying down. That would be political suicide. Once the responsible
> parties are known; someone's country is gonna get leveled.
OK, so if it turns out to be domestic terrorism - as it was in Oklahoma
City - we're going to level the continental US? And if it turns out to
be a handful of zealots from country X, we're going to kill millions of
bystanders because an extreme minority took action? This makes sense??
The unfolding events are horrific and emotions are running high, but
whipping ourselves into a frenzy with calls for war and the leveling of
countries is NOT HELPFUL. Could we keep the rhetorical exaggeration to
a minimum? Or vent in one of the current-events forums? Please?
I had a loved one scheduled to fly out of Boston this morning.
Thankfully, I've heard from her and she's fine. My thoughts and prayers
are with the victims, their loved ones, and all those who are waiting
for word.
Terry King | how true it is that all excess in revenge
preacher mit edu | draws down upon men the anger of the gods
- Herodotus
GSS/H v3.0 c++@ W++ N+++ M+$ t+ 5++ X++ R* b+++ DI++++ x? <*>
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RonGin21
>>This should mean 'WAR". I put it like that because I have no problem hearing
>>people say "Remember the Trade Center" just before putting a bullet in some
>>terrorist scum. There is no way Bush and Washington will be able to take
>>this lying down. That would be political suicide. Once the responsible
>>parties are known; someone's country is gonna get leveled.
>
>That's exactly what's gonna happen..
>
>They were just showing all these motherfucking Palestinians celebrating in
>the
>streets, bastards!
>
Somebody *here* needs to be held responsible too. This was a big,
well-coordinated operation, and it slipped by everyone.
It's far too early to say anything for sure, but I've been hearing statements
that they can't figure out who had the capability to pull off something this
big.
Owlfeather
rong...@aol.com
Harry Back
<david....@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>Have I suddenly slipped into Tom-Clancy-world? (anybody who's read Debt Of
>Honour knows what I mean)
There was an episode of "The Lone Gunmen" where terrorists took over
the computerized controls of a passenger jet and set it on a collision
course with the World Trade Center. Eerie...
The Doctor
The Arabs will be the first to suffer!
--
God Queen and Country Member - Liberal International
Never Satan President and Republic This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
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Brad Filippone
: I was trying to read the New Adventure Iceberg today.
: Had to put it down. The Cybermen have been outdone by real life.
Small bit of clarification here since I didn't realise this thread was
going beyond the Doctor Who group. I'm talking about a Doctor Who novel
Not that it really matters much now.
Brad
RonGin21
>There's one other confirmed hijacked because someone in the bathroom
>of the plane called in from a Cell phone. And I believe US Airways
>(can't remember the exact name of that Airline) reports also another
>lost plane (not physically lost, but radio contact).
>
That would be in my neck of the woods. Early reports of the cell phone call
says that it was cut off by some sort of loud noise. Shortly after the plane
nosed down and went straight in. Impacted the woods near Indian Lake, Somerset
Pa. No survivors. The crash site, well...crater...has been sealed off by the
FBI.
*sigh* At least it was out in the middle of no where. No casualties on the
ground this time.
Local new is saying now they don't have another missing plane after all.
Owlfeather
rong...@aol.com
David A McIntee
"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote >
> The Arabs will be the first to suffer!
I don't doubt that they will.
But they won't be the last, will they?
The Doctor
I hope all of Europe are taking measures esp MatchDay 1.
The Doctor
Pearl Harbour of 2k1!! For certain this day will live in infamy.
The Doctor
Rabid Hoojib <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote:
>Hank Tiffany's electrons hurled this at me:
>> David A McIntee wrote:
>
>>> Have I suddenly slipped into Tom-Clancy-world? (anybody who's read Debt Of
>>> Honour knows what I mean)
>>>
>>> I think this'll be the JFK assassination for the under-40s...
>>
>>No comparison. More like Pearl Harbor, Day of Infamy stuff, much
>>more important than the killing of a 2nd rate politician. Nobody
>>around where I lived (Ames, Iowa) gave two hoots about JFK
>>getting shot (except for the Token Liberal) but *everybody*
>>knew where they were when they heard about Pearl Harbor.
>>
>>Hank Tiffany
>
>This is already WAY beyond Pearl Harbour, casualty-wise, approximately 3300
>people died in that attack, there is the potential for WAY more in these
>attacks..
>
Both world Trade Centres had 10000 people on a busy day. BIG HINT!
The planes were carrying 81 passengers!
>> 8========##<^>##========8
>>>>---> {Rabid Hoojib}
>> 8========##<^>##========8
>
>"Fear is a warship that gets PMS..." --Çheetah!
David A McIntee
<robert...@home.com> wrote
> this lying down. That would be political suicide. Once the responsible
> parties are known; someone's country is gonna get leveled.
Assuming it was a country, which is unlikely.
As for Palestinians cheering- doesn't mean they did it. If, say, Kurdish
rebels bombed Saddam's palace, Westerners would cheer, wouldn't they?
The Doctor
Colin Hayman <cha...@chat.carleton.ca> wrote:
>David A McIntee wrote:
>>
>> Let's hear no talk of arresting and trying the culprits though- just kill
>
>good for them.
Do what they did to McVey!
David A McIntee
"terry king" <prea...@mit.N0SP4M.edu> wrote in message
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> <robert...@home.com> wrote:
> > This should mean 'WAR". I put it like that because I have no problem
hearing
> > people say "Remember the Trade Center" just before putting a bullet in
some
> > terrorist scum. There is no way Bush and Washington will be able to
take
> > this lying down. That would be political suicide. Once the responsible
> > parties are known; someone's country is gonna get leveled.
>
>
The Doctor
The Doctor
Keeper of the Purple Twilight <bri...@home.com> wrote:
>In article <9nlg64$8d9c8$1...@ID-104854.news.dfncis.de>, David A McIntee
>them. It's that simple.
>
Are you going to exterminate a community for the crimes of a few?
Colin Hayman
Actually, that's the only thing about this situation that scares me more
than the attacks themselves -- the potential loss of life if and when a
war starts over this. I'm mad as hell, and I want vengeance as much as
anybody...I just hope we don't go too far in taking it.
Forge
(The Doctor) wrote:
>Do what they did to McVey!
Let them sit in jail and be leaders of their political communities for
fifteen years? Then kill them meaninglessly?
Stephen Wilson
"David A McIntee" <david....@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> > <robert...@home.com> wrote:
> This should mean 'WAR". I put it like that because I have no problem
hearing
> people say "Remember the Trade Center" just before putting a bullet in
some
> terrorist scum. There is no way Bush and Washington will be able to take
> this lying down. That would be political suicide. Once the responsible
> parties are known; someone's country is gonna get leveled.
What a stupid bloody attitude. You level our building, we nuke yours. You
reckon somebody's gotta pay? What good would that do? Thousands of people
have died. You think killing thousands more will help anyone?
Someone was obviously very angry and they directed their anger at the USA.
What was it that upset them enough to want to do this? OK, so no-one can
justify what's happened, but at least we can try to find out *why* it
happened and why the culprits felt it had to happen.
And isn't it more important to unite to prevent this from happening again -
anywhere in the world - than looking for retaliation that will just cause
more heartache, more bloodshed and events spiralling out of control?
Hank Tiffany
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <Q9qn7.3727$%u4.1...@www.newsranger.com>,
> Rabid Hoojib <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote:
> >Hank Tiffany's electrons hurled this at me:
> >> David A McIntee wrote:
> >
> >>> Have I suddenly slipped into Tom-Clancy-world? (anybody who's read Debt Of
> >>> Honour knows what I mean)
> >>>
> >>> I think this'll be the JFK assassination for the under-40s...
> >>
> >>No comparison. More like Pearl Harbor, Day of Infamy stuff, much
> >>more important than the killing of a 2nd rate politician. Nobody
> >>around where I lived (Ames, Iowa) gave two hoots about JFK
> >>getting shot (except for the Token Liberal) but *everybody*
> >>knew where they were when they heard about Pearl Harbor.
> >>
> >>Hank Tiffany
> >
> >This is already WAY beyond Pearl Harbour, casualty-wise, approximately 3300
> >people died in that attack, there is the potential for WAY more in these
> >attacks..
> >
>
> Both world Trade Centres had 10000 people on a busy day. BIG HINT!
>
> The planes were carrying 81 passengers!
It's not the numbers, it's the cowardly type of attack that
is similar and will inflame the country now the way the
sneak attack on Hawaii did in 1941.
Hank
KT3000
>
>
> As for Palestinians cheering- doesn't mean they did it. If, say,
Kurdish
> rebels bombed Saddam's palace, Westerners would cheer, wouldn't they?
>
Not the same. I hope we wouldn't cheer the deaths of thousands of
ordinary everyday Iraqis. I wouldn't (and didn't). Saddam's palace would
be a different story.
Ken
pam
> The Arabs will be the first to suffer!
And Arab Americans, and anyone who just *looks* Arab.
Just like Japanese Americans and anyone who just *looked*
Japanese after Pearl Harbor -- like Chinese Americans who
were attacked by people who thought they were Japanese, even
though they themselves had lost relatives to the Japanese
occupation of China and had far more personal reasons
to hate the Japanese than the people attacking them did!
Brad Filippone
: In article <XPrn7.12831$iD.21...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
: Stephen Wilson <sr.w...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
: > What a stupid bloody attitude. You level our building, we nuke yours. You
: > reckon somebody's gotta pay?
: Yes.
: > What good would that do? Thousands of people
: > have died. You think killing thousands more will help anyone?
: It'll sure as shit ensure that those who did this to us won't ever do
: it again.
: Somebody MUST pay. They cannot get away scot free. And they will not.
True, but when does it end? There will be retaliation for the
retlatiation.
Brad
David A McIntee
"Keeper of the Purple Twilight" <bri...@home.com> wrote in message
news:110920011218458980%bri...@home.com...
> In article <9nlg64$8d9c8$1...@ID-104854.news.dfncis.de>, David A McIntee
> them. It's that simple.
The important thing is to make sure you do the first bit first.
Having said that, if I was in charge I'd have a go at Bin Laden anyway, cos
even if someone else did it he's still guilty of previous atrocities, so if
this drags out from under his rock to crow about it...
David A McIntee
"Stephen Wilson" <sr.w...@ntlworld.com> wrote
>
> Someone was obviously very angry and they directed their anger at the USA.
> What was it that upset them enough to want to do this? OK, so no-one can
> justify what's happened, but at least we can try to find out *why* it
> happened and why the culprits felt it had to happen.
Then what?
And if it was Osama Bin Laden, the why is simple- he likes to kill
Americans.
Tucci
>hearing people say "Remember the Trade Center" just before putting
>a bullet in some terrorist scum. There is no way Bush and Washington
>will be able to take this lying down. That would be political suicide.
>Once the responsible parties are known; someone's country is gonna get leveled.
It's that ignorant John Wayne-esque attitude that scares me the most.
This is NOT a reason to go to war. NOTHING is a reason to go to war.
Is killing more people going to make it better? Hell, no. If Bush
goes to war with someone over this, then he deserves to be the first
to die.
Richard Nelson
Which, obviously,
is..........................................................................
.............
OK... minute's silence please...
Forge
wrote:
>It's not the numbers, it's the cowardly type of attack that
>is similar and will inflame the country now the way the
>sneak attack on Hawaii did in 1941.
Yeah, let's show 'em the bit about sleeping dragons
Auntie Krizu
"Keeper of the Purple Twilight" <bri...@home.com> kirjoitti viestissä
news:110920011249317019%bri...@home.com...
> In article <XPrn7.12831$iD.21...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> Stephen Wilson <sr.w...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
You
> > reckon somebody's gotta pay?
>
>
> > What good would that do? Thousands of people
> > have died. You think killing thousands more will help anyone?
>
> it again.
Reality check. Did thinking like that ever stop wars?
I am not saying "turn the other cheek", I'm saying "grab the hand that hits
you and stop the fucking hitting". If you cut that hand off, three more will
grow in its place.
Ah, fuck it. I won't continue, I know it's useless with some people.
Auntie Krizu(:>)
Richard Nelson
"I can see on the video that the air is filled with grey smoke and.......
the World Trade Centre towers.... aren't there...."
Cardinal Zorak
"Richard Nelson" <ric...@risingpublications.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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this is a nightmare
Richard Nelson
Zoė J Robinson <nobt...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Robin Low wrote:
> <Cut>
> > Such as? Start a war in the Middle East? Round up American dissidents
> > and put them in 'holding facilities'?
>
> No. I'd hate to see anything that extreme happen anywhere.
>
> <Cut>
>
> Yeah, I agree and what I said earlier was said because, sad as it is, my
> first reaction to anyone causing suffering and violence is to kill them.
>
> <Cut>
>
> I know it's not right, but sometimes what's not right is what's
> necessary.
Like, say, crashing an aeroplane into the World Trade Centre?
RMS-MarionS
>If Bush
>goes to war with someone over this, then he deserves to be the first
>to die.
"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn
apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will
succumb" , "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"
Nostradamus 1654
Usually not my thing, but maybe... ?
MarionS
--
RMS-M...@t-online.de
"Didn't they say the pen was mightier than the sword?" - James Bond
"Thanks to me they were right!" - Q
(GoldenEye)
Anthony Tilton
war, or maybe the Revolutionary War or World War 1 or World War 2 weren't
part of your history education? Fuck off with your "maybe if we all sing
kumbaya" attitude bullshit. Respect and peace go TWO WAYS and if some
bastards want to murder innocents and do it for their religious and racial
intolerance (it was THIER racial and religious intolerance that precipatated
this and other cowardly acts of terrorism) well, then a response is
needed... and we're not about to take this one. Pearl Harbor was a wake up
call for the US in 1941 and this is for us now. What the FUCK do you tell
someone whose family memeber was in the planes or those buildings? "This is
not a reason to go to war?" Guess what, dumbshit-WE HAVE HAD WAR DECLARED
ON US! WE'RE IN IT!. Wake up and smell the fucking coffee. I, for one, am
getting in touch with my branch of the US military to see if there's
anything I can assisst in... and I am a former Navy SEAL. DOn;t ever
fucking tell me there's not a reason to go to war, or get up in the front of
the line and see what that bullshit will get you with the spineless bastards
who did this. They'll be happy to enlighten you as they kill you... and
no, I'm not exaggerating cause unlike you (yes, an assumption but a fairly
educated one, from your tone) I HAVE experienced life outside of my soft
world and know what some of the rest of the world is like and those parts
will not cease til they have killed what they can. So the question becomes
what do you want to do? Hide your head in the sand til it happens to you or
do something about it? In the meantime, fuck off.
"Tucci" <tu...@tucci.net> wrote in message
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Richard Nelson
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> Am Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:15:48 GMT schrieb tu...@tucci.net (Tucci) :
>
> >If Bush
> >goes to war with someone over this, then he deserves to be the first
> >to die.
>
> "In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn
> apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will
> succumb" , "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"
> Nostradamus 1654
>
> Usually not my thing, but maybe... ?
Oh dear, the world's gonna end................. bugger
Richard Nelson
dumb Americans (OK, unfair, only some of you are dumb) go to war and the UK
and half the rest of the world get dragged in too. This isn't a war yet, so
don't go trying to make it one.
Anthony Tilton <JAMES...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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Shadow Walker
You have it half right - we can't react on pure emotion. What you
don't see is your own argument is also based on pure emotion,
which makes you look like a stupid cow.
Richard Nelson
news:110920011431396447%bri...@home.com...
> In article <9nln9c$phg$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Richard Nelson
> <ric...@risingpublications.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Oh shut up you complete twat. We don't want war unless we can help it.
You
> > dumb Americans (OK, unfair, only some of you are dumb) go to war and the
UK
> > and half the rest of the world get dragged in too. This isn't a war yet,
so
> > don't go trying to make it one.
>
> ass?
I'm not a "peacenik hippie", I just think killing is wrong, whoever does it,
which I think is correct. What's dumb is many Christians believe in the
death penalty etc etc, when the bible clearly states killing is wrong. "Let
he without sin cast the first stone".
> We have been attacked. We will eliminate those responsible.
> It's really as simple as that. Nobody does this to us and gets away
> with it.
>
> Besides, if we don't get rid of them, they may come after YOU next.
> You don't want that....do you?
Lock em up. Don't kill em.
Ajaxž
> Oh shut up you complete twat. We don't want war unless we can help it. You
> dumb Americans (OK, unfair, only some of you are dumb) go to war and the
UK
> and half the rest of the world get dragged in too. This isn't a war yet,
so
> don't go trying to make it one.
Wrong... this has been a war for over a decade, ever since the West decided
to protect innocent countries from aggressors in the Middle East.
This cowardly attack has made the US seem vulnerable in front of the whole
world. Sadly, freedom always leads to vulnerability of some sort. Events
over the next few years will prove that the US and the other civilised
countries of the world have the will and the means to stand against this
sort of atrocity.
The UK *will* stand with the US. It is our moral right and our duty. If
there is a war (unlikely, but a punitive strike is a possibility), the UK
will not "get dragged in". The UK will enter in to it willingly to support
our staunchest ally and to strike a blow for freedom and democracy.
--
Ajax
Currently very angry.
Skinky
enough!
--
"It's an expression of my individuality, & my belief in personal freedom."
Nicholas Cage, Wild at Heart
David A McIntee
"RMS-MarionS" <RMS-M...@t-online.de> wrote
> "In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn
> apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will
> succumb" , "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"
> Nostradamus 1654
>
> Usually not my thing, but maybe... ?
I wondered how long it would be before someone linked Nostradamus to this.
Just under 8 hours- I don't think it claims the record. (I think Di's death
got that one.)
David A McIntee
"Richard Nelson" <ric...@risingpublications.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
> I'm not a "peacenik hippie", I just think killing is wrong, whoever does
it,
> which I think is correct. What's dumb is many Christians believe in the
> death penalty etc etc, when the bible clearly states killing is wrong.
"Let
> he without sin cast the first stone".
It also says something about an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.
And Jesus has a line about "I come not to bring peace but a sword"
Richard Nelson
news:10002374...@eos.uk.clara.net...
> Richard Nelson wrote
>
> > Oh shut up you complete twat. We don't want war unless we can help it.
You
> > dumb Americans (OK, unfair, only some of you are dumb) go to war and the
> UK
> > and half the rest of the world get dragged in too. This isn't a war yet,
> so
> > don't go trying to make it one.
>
> Wrong... this has been a war for over a decade, ever since the West
decided
> to protect innocent countries from aggressors in the Middle East.
I suppose you could say that.
> This cowardly attack has made the US seem vulnerable in front of the whole
> world.
Always a good thing ;)
> Sadly, freedom always leads to vulnerability of some sort. Events
> over the next few years will prove that the US and the other civilised
> countries of the world have the will and the means to stand against this
> sort of atrocity.
>
> The UK *will* stand with the US. It is our moral right and our duty. If
> there is a war (unlikely, but a punitive strike is a possibility), the UK
> will not "get dragged in". The UK will enter in to it willingly to support
> our staunchest ally and to strike a blow for freedom and democracy.
*sniff* you're making me feel all patriotic *sniff*
Problem is, at the end of the day, the US will get all the credit for
everything. Look at WW2 - who retrieved the Enigma machine? The British. Who
retrieved it in the movies? The US.
"Pearl Harbor" - Americans good, great people. Japanese bad, bad men. Yeah,
right. The attack was probably wrong, but this is still over-simplyfied
"look how great the Americans are" rubbish.
Richard Nelson
I like my ones better :)
And, IIRC, Jesus actually refutes eye for an eye etc as being wrong.
RMS-MarionS
<david....@btopenworld.com> :
>I wondered how long it would be before someone linked Nostradamus to this.
I also found it anywhere. About three hours ago somebody mentioned it
in another NG, and I found it rather interesting.
David A McIntee
"Richard Nelson" <ric...@risingpublications.fsnet.co.uk> > > It also says
something about an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.
> >
> > And Jesus has a line about "I come not to bring peace but a sword"
>
> I like my ones better :)
>
> And, IIRC, Jesus actually refutes eye for an eye etc as being wrong.
Then if you believe him for that, you must accept his support of wielding
the sword.
Not that the Bible's a mess of contradictions or anything...
Oh, and Lesley wants to add that she's seen a lot of anti-American posts
here slagging them off for the understandable (if incorrect) kneejerk
reactions, and wants to point out that really the world is all in this
together.
Ben Corby
and will lead to similar actions. It wouldn't surprise me at all if
we launch an attack on Afghanistan and their asshole excuses for
leaders in order to get bin Laden once and for all- anyone who doesn't
think he's responsible needs to look over their data. An attack of
this sort requires a network at least as big as his. As for the
Palestinians celebrating this event, I certainly hope that some psycho
flies a couple of jets full of your countrymen into your nation's
proudest monument. Oh- wait- you've been too busy bitching about
Israel to form a nation, let alone build monuments. You can all
collectively go to hell.
Toll so far- four passenger jets, countless thousands of lives, and
two of our crowning achievments reduced to rubble. I won't even
mention what's going on at the Pentagon, because quite frankly the
press isn't even sure.
Let this serve as a warning to Usama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, and
anyone else who may have been involved. The U.S. will hunt you like
dogs, and when we find you, you won't receive a fair trial. There's
no place in the world you can. No, when we find you, it'll be the
military that does it. And trust me- the U.S. Military doesn't ask
questions. They will be tracked down, located, and shot on sight.
Afghanistan, give bin Laden up now. I guarantee that we're waiting
for an excuse to bomb your filthy towelhead Taliban into next week,
and harboring a person who has committed a big-time act of war is one
way to get us to do it.
No attack on U.S. soil will go unpunished. This is no exception.
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> Have I suddenly slipped into Tom-Clancy-world? (anybody who's read Debt Of
> Honour knows what I mean)
>
> I think this'll be the JFK assassination for the under-40s...
>
> Let's hear no talk of arresting and trying the culprits though- just kill
> the fuckers. I mean, hijacked passenger planes means hundreds of deaths
> (watching the shot of one hitting the tower is just more than I can bear),
> and there are something like 50,000 people work in the towers...
>
> As I write this they're saying there's been another crash in Pittsburgh,
> (they all seem to be 767s) and an F15 was up a few minutes ago on ITV's
> coverage, so we can but hope they shot down the fourth plane before it hit
> the target.
Richard Nelson
>
> "Richard Nelson" <ric...@risingpublications.fsnet.co.uk> > > It also says
> something about an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.
> > >
> > > And Jesus has a line about "I come not to bring peace but a sword"
> >
> > I like my ones better :)
> >
> > And, IIRC, Jesus actually refutes eye for an eye etc as being wrong.
>
> Then if you believe him for that, you must accept his support of wielding
> the sword.
I don't believe Jesus (just making the point for the people that do), but we
have to use a lot of stuff like that in RE so that's where I get it from.
Çheetah!
Quit fucking crossposting this everywhere! Keep it to the originating
newsgroup!
> 8========##<^>##========8
>>>---> {Çheetus Maximus!}
> 8========##<^>##========8
"Weirdness is a dish BEST served weird..." --Çheetah!
cein
> something about an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.
> > >
> > > And Jesus has a line about "I come not to bring peace but a sword"
> >
> > I like my ones better :)
> >
> > And, IIRC, Jesus actually refutes eye for an eye etc as being wrong.
>
> Then if you believe him for that, you must accept his support of wielding
> the sword.
>
> Not that the Bible's a mess of contradictions or anything...
>
and it's probably going to get worse, cause the Vatican has finally decided
to rewrite the Bible to include the Dead Sea Scrolls.....
(and only 50 years later)
ceindreadh
Jon Housley
from the Middle East?
I mean, there are enough wackos with a grudge against the US who are US
citizens.
It might be somebody from the East but at present it is all conjecture (bear
in mind I'm only a poor Brit so I know Jack Shit about the US), I have seen
nothing on the news in the UK to categorically state that the attack was
launched by people from the middle east.
Not trying to offend (but I probably will)
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Freakster
> Keeper of the Purple Twilight <bri...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:110920011431396447%bri...@home.com...
> > In article <9nln9c$phg$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Richard Nelson
> > <ric...@risingpublications.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Oh shut up you complete twat. We don't want war unless we can help it.
> You
> > > dumb Americans (OK, unfair, only some of you are dumb) go to war and
the
> UK
> > > and half the rest of the world get dragged in too. This isn't a war
yet,
> so
> > > don't go trying to make it one.
> >
> > Why don't you take your peacenik hippie attitude and shove it up your
> > ass?
>
> I'm not a "peacenik hippie", I just think killing is wrong, whoever does
it,
> which I think is correct.
As do many people... As do I.
> What's dumb is many Christians believe in the
> death penalty etc etc, when the bible clearly states killing is wrong.
What does that have to do with anything whatsoever?
Besides we have no intention of killing them.
We will shoot them, bomb them, grind them up into little teeny tiny bite
sized chunks..
But we won't kill em...
> "Let
> he without sin cast the first stone".
>
ibid.
> > We have been attacked. We will eliminate those responsible.
> > It's really as simple as that. Nobody does this to us and gets away
> > with it.
> >
> > Besides, if we don't get rid of them, they may come after YOU next.
> > You don't want that....do you?
>
> Lock em up. Don't kill em.
>
Actually, you have convinced me.
Killing is far too easy an out for them...
I say lock em up, and every Tuesday (slow TV night), we cart em on out, and
torture them for a few hours... spend the next week fixing them up, and then
repeat, next Tuesday.
F
>
>
Ranger Bob
<ric...@risingpublications.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Oh shut up you complete twat. We don't want war unless we can help it. You
>dumb Americans (OK, unfair, only some of you are dumb) go to war and the UK
>and half the rest of the world get dragged in too.
You're right. Jusy look at the last two world wars. Oh,
wait... The Brits went to war and the Americans got dragged in. I'm
sorry, you aren't right, you are just an asshole.
Ranger Bob
"Did he just call me a woman?"
"Jaffa, TREE!"
Ranger Bob
wrote:
Well said, and we appreciate the thought.
Ajaxž
> > This cowardly attack has made the US seem vulnerable in front of the
whole
> > world.
>
> Always a good thing ;)
Please don't say that. This is not a time for levity.
> *sniff* you're making me feel all patriotic *sniff*
... or sarcasm.
> Problem is, at the end of the day, the US will get all the credit for
> everything. Look at WW2 - who retrieved the Enigma machine? The British.
Who
> retrieved it in the movies? The US.
Actually Enigma was captured by the Poles.
> "Pearl Harbor" - Americans good, great people. Japanese bad, bad men.
Yeah,
> right. The attack was probably wrong, but this is still over-simplyfied
> "look how great the Americans are" rubbish.
This isn't a movie. This is real life. Justice will be served eventually.
Who cares who gets the credit? Justice is it's own reward.
--
Ajax
Richard Nelson
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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:06:00 +0100, "Richard Nelson"
> <ric...@risingpublications.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Oh shut up you complete twat. We don't want war unless we can help it.
You
> >dumb Americans (OK, unfair, only some of you are dumb) go to war and the
UK
> >and half the rest of the world get dragged in too.
>
> You're right. Jusy look at the last two world wars. Oh,
> wait... The Brits went to war and the Americans got dragged in. I'm
> sorry, you aren't right, you are just an asshole.
lol, nice one.
The WWs aren't good comparisons as the situation of the world has changed
since then. Yes, the UK and Europe declared war on Germany in both 1914 and
1939 (so I'd argue they started it perhaps, but now). A more realistic
comparison would be the more recent Gulf War, as this is set more within the
world as we know it. Also, perhaps, all the various conflicts around the
world which i never bother to really follow.
Richard Nelson
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> Nothing personal , but has anybody considered that it might not be
somebody
> from the Middle East?
>
> I mean, there are enough wackos with a grudge against the US who are US
> citizens.
>
> It might be somebody from the East but at present it is all conjecture
(bear
> in mind I'm only a poor Brit so I know Jack Shit about the US), I have
seen
> nothing on the news in the UK to categorically state that the attack was
> launched by people from the middle east.
This is a point I've thought many times, but forgotten/haven't bothered to
post. Could be a Brit. Most of us hate those (to quote Buffy) "bloody
colonials" ;)
Richard Nelson
> Richard Nelson wrote
>
> > > This cowardly attack has made the US seem vulnerable in front of the
> whole
> > > world.
> >
> > Always a good thing ;)
>
> Please don't say that. This is not a time for levity.
Sorry.
> > *sniff* you're making me feel all patriotic *sniff*
>
> ... or sarcasm.
Actually I was being true there... tho I see why it might sound sarcastic.
Sorry again if people misunderstood.
> > Problem is, at the end of the day, the US will get all the credit for
> > everything. Look at WW2 - who retrieved the Enigma machine? The British.
> Who
> > retrieved it in the movies? The US.
>
> Actually Enigma was captured by the Poles.
Really? Thought it was us? How come we ended up with it?
> > "Pearl Harbor" - Americans good, great people. Japanese bad, bad men.
> Yeah,
> > right. The attack was probably wrong, but this is still over-simplyfied
> > "look how great the Americans are" rubbish.
>
> This isn't a movie. This is real life. Justice will be served
eventually.
Sorry, but you've got that the wrong way round. Justice is more often served
in the movies than in real life.
> Who cares who gets the credit? Justice is it's own reward.
Just annoys me that the Yanks get the credit for almost everything, s'all.
Narcguy (David)
Okay, how about we take credit for gettign the hell bombed out of us,
loosing approximately 70,000 +- of our citizenry, and having a war waged on
our own Goddamn soil for the first time in over a couple of hundred
years...how about we take credit for that ??? GOOD ENOUGH FOR YA?!?!?--
"History has taught us that those who loose the will to fight, will be
overtaken by those who have not." ~ Unknown
"You live and you learn. Or you don't live long." ~ The Notebooks of
Lazarus Long
by Robert A. Heinlein
"These are the times that try mens souls." ~ Thomas Payne
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Jon Housley
I meant it could have been an American. I mean remember Oklahoma, Waco and
countless other things in the states
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Richard Nelson
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>
> Okay, how about we take credit for gettign the hell bombed out of us,
> loosing approximately 70,000 +- of our citizenry, and having a war waged
on
> our own Goddamn soil for the first time in over a couple of hundred
> years...how about we take credit for that ??? GOOD ENOUGH FOR YA?!?!?--
> "History has taught us that those who loose the will to fight, will be
> overtaken by those who have not." ~ Unknown
>
> "You live and you learn. Or you don't live long." ~ The Notebooks of
> Lazarus Long
> by Robert A. Heinlein
>
> "These are the times that try mens souls." ~ Thomas Payne
I'd settle for that for now.
Richard Nelson
> I think you got the wrong end of the stick.
>
> I meant it could have been an American. I mean remember Oklahoma, Waco and
> countless other things in the states
me? oooh noooo, i was supporting you, i understood the point. I may have
tried to make it else where actually... but only vaguely.....
Tim Pollard
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I'd like to think you simply imagine you're being funny there, and failing
badly.
I doubt many (if any) 'Brits' hate Americans, and your levity is both
insensitive and unhelpful...
--
Tim Pollard (a 'Brit')
Forge
<ric...@risingpublications.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Lock em up. Don't kill em.
As a treehugging pacifist, I must disagree at this point. "Oo, we
better not carry out terrorist actions against the US, 'cuz they'll
put us in JAAAIIILLL, where we get free meals, air conditioning and
cable TV, and we can continue to run our political campaigns! We'll be
living martyrs!! Yaaay!!"
Cardinal Zorak
>
> "Richard Nelson" <ric...@risingpublications.fsnet.co.uk> wrote
>
> > I'm not a "peacenik hippie", I just think killing is wrong, whoever does
> it,
> > which I think is correct. What's dumb is many Christians believe in the
> > death penalty etc etc, when the bible clearly states killing is wrong.
> "Let
> > he without sin cast the first stone".
>
> It also says something about an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.
"An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, and we'll all be blind" - tyhe
bible uses that as a lesson against retribution.
Zorak
terry king
> Ajaxž <ajaxi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Richard Nelson wrote
> > > everything. Look at WW2 - who retrieved the Enigma machine? The British.
> > > Who retrieved it in the movies? The US.
> >
> > Actually Enigma was captured by the Poles.
>
> Really? Thought it was us? How come we ended up with it?
The British got Enigma when Polish Intelligence handed the British (and
the French) not only an Enigma replica, but critically-important
research by Polish mathematicians. The Poles had cracked Enigma in 1933
and had been reading Enigma messages for six full years. The windfall
allowed the British to fasttrack their Ultra project, and since then
everyone's been told that the British saved the day and turned the tide
of blah blah blah with no mention of the Poles.
As for the movie "U-571"... the Royal Navy did not capture a complete
Enigma machine until four months *after* they traded the Enigma code to
the Americans (for the Japanese version of Enigma, which the Merkins
had cracked on their own). Even if the movie had revolved around the RN
rather than the USN, it still would've been wildly inaccurate.
Terry King | how true it is that all excess in revenge
preacher mit edu | draws down upon men the anger of the gods
- Herodotus
GSS/H v3.0 c++@ W++ N+++ M+$ t+ 5++ X++ R* b+++ DI++++ x? <*>
DNRC: Sublime Guardian of Paradox, Anachronism, and the Absurd
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Or maybe we should send them round your place....
Richard Nelson
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> "Richard Nelson" <ric...@risingpublications.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > Ajaxž <ajaxi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Richard Nelson wrote
> > > > Problem is, at the end of the day, the US will get all the credit
for
> > > > everything. Look at WW2 - who retrieved the Enigma machine? The
British.
> > > > Who retrieved it in the movies? The US.
> > >
> > > Actually Enigma was captured by the Poles.
> >
> > Really? Thought it was us? How come we ended up with it?
>
> The British got Enigma when Polish Intelligence handed the British (and
> the French) not only an Enigma replica, but critically-important
> research by Polish mathematicians. The Poles had cracked Enigma in 1933
> and had been reading Enigma messages for six full years. The windfall
> allowed the British to fasttrack their Ultra project, and since then
> everyone's been told that the British saved the day and turned the tide
> of blah blah blah with no mention of the Poles.
>
> As for the movie "U-571"... the Royal Navy did not capture a complete
> Enigma machine until four months *after* they traded the Enigma code to
> the Americans (for the Japanese version of Enigma, which the Merkins
> had cracked on their own). Even if the movie had revolved around the RN
> rather than the USN, it still would've been wildly inaccurate.
Point excepted, and obviously I was also wrong. But then Britains are
European and so are Poles, so it would've been slightly more accurate with
Brits instead of Yanks.... slightly...
Cardinal Zorak
The Poles got the codes, the Brits got the actual machine.
Richard Nelson
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> > >
> > > I mean, there are enough wackos with a grudge against the US who are
US
> > > citizens.
> > >
> > > It might be somebody from the East but at present it is all conjecture
> > (bear
> > > in mind I'm only a poor Brit so I know Jack Shit about the US), I have
> > seen
> > > nothing on the news in the UK to categorically state that the attack
was
> > > launched by people from the middle east.
> >
> > This is a point I've thought many times, but forgotten/haven't bothered
to
> > post. Could be a Brit. Most of us hate those (to quote Buffy) "bloody
> > colonials" ;)
>
> I'd like to think you simply imagine you're being funny there, and failing
> badly.
Oh dear, failed again. It was only partly funny, as I will continue to say
(perhaps...)
> I doubt many (if any) 'Brits' hate Americans,
I wouldn't bet on it mate. Usually I like Americans (and I'm widely
outspoken in many places), but sometimes they really piss me off. Like with
the death penalty (don't get me started, please, cos I can't be bothered
today)
> and your levity is both insensitive and unhelpful...
Unhelpful, yes, but levity always is, and i've seen even more insensitive
examples, so don't start on me.
David Cheatham
> In article <9nlgk7$6fn$1...@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca>, The Doctor
> <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>
> > >> Let's hear no talk of arresting and trying the culprits though- just kill
> > >
> > >good for them.
> >
> > Do what they did to McVey!
>
> We were too easy on that sonofabitch. We won't be that easy on whoever
> the fuck did this bullshit. They are simply going to die. No trial.
> No court system. Only a swift ticket straight to hell.
Erm...how do we know who did it without the court system?
Richard Nelson
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> In article <9nls00$c6h$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, Richard Nelson
> <ric...@risingpublications.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Could be a Brit. Most of us hate those (to quote Buffy) "bloody
> > colonials" ;)
>
> innocent people? Fuck you.
No, it doesn't. It was a small bit of "levity" (as so many people seem keen
to call it today) and wasn't intended to insult, so I apologise.
And please, I'm not that way inclined Brian B.
Cardinal Zorak
I have the feeling you are not a true pacifist. Warmongering bastard.
Cardinal Zorak
Fuck off, twat.
Auntie Krizu
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> Auntie Krizu wrote in message <9nll1h$kv5$1...@news.clinet.fi>...
> >
> >"Keeper of the Purple Twilight" <bri...@home.com> kirjoitti
> viestissä
> >news:110920011249317019%bri...@home.com...
> >> In article
> <XPrn7.12831$iD.21...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> >> Stephen Wilson <sr.w...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What a stupid bloody attitude. You level our building, we
> >>> nuke yours. You reckon somebody's gotta pay?
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >>
> >>> What good would that do? Thousands of people
> >>> have died. You think killing thousands more will help
> >>> anyone?
> >>
> >> It'll sure as shit ensure that those who did this to us
> >> won't ever do it again.
> >
> >Reality check. Did thinking like that ever stop wars?
> >
> >I am not saying "turn the other cheek", I'm saying "grab the
> >hand that hits you and stop the fucking hitting". If you cut
> >that hand off, three more will grow in its place.
> >
> >Ah, fuck it. I won't continue, I know it's useless with some
> >people.
>
> You have it half right - we can't react on pure emotion. What you
> don't see is your own argument is also based on pure emotion,
> which makes you look like a stupid cow.
Ah, mine is based on common sense more than immediate emotion. Sense and
emotion must go hand in hand, so I'm not being a stupid cow here.
Auntie Krizu(:>)
Richard Nelson
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Hey, I apologised.
Forge
wrote:
>and it's probably going to get worse, cause the Vatican has finally decided
>to rewrite the Bible to include the Dead Sea Scrolls.....
Whoa, that's somethin'
Forge
<jrc...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>We will shoot them, bomb them, grind them up into little teeny tiny bite
>sized chunks..
some of us will be unsatisfied if the perpetrators can't be dispensed
out of a tube like toothpaste
Cardinal Zorak
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tonight....
Narcguy (David)
them to argue it wasnt them.... the court system as you know it would be
useless in a sitaution liek this, and too many liberals would argue to jail
the irreverent bastards..i say kill them where they stand,
--
"History has taught us that those who loose the will to fight, will be
overtaken by those who have not." ~ Unknown
"You live and you learn. Or you don't live long." ~ The Notebooks of
Lazarus Long
by Robert A. Heinlein
"These are the times that try mens souls." ~ Thomas Payne
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Forge
<ric...@risingpublications.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Problem is, at the end of the day, the US will get all the credit for
>everything. Look at WW2 - who retrieved the Enigma machine? The British. Who
>retrieved it in the movies? The US.
>
>"Pearl Harbor" - Americans good, great people. Japanese bad, bad men. Yeah,
>right. The attack was probably wrong, but this is still over-simplyfied
>"look how great the Americans are" rubbish.
Funny you should use those two movies as examples - Enigma is being
remade in correct version by an Englishman, and Pearl Harbor was a
piece of shit.
Epona7
>dumb Americans (OK, unfair, only some of you are dumb) go to war and the UK
>and half the rest of the world get dragged in too.
Right, you mean like World War I and World War II....
...oh wait a minute, that was *you* dragging *us* into it...
Ciao,
Donna
Usually aka Pax, but not today
Stephen Wilson
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> Fuck you. People were MURDERED today and yes there IS a reason to go to
> war, or maybe the Revolutionary War or World War 1 or World War 2 weren't
> part of your history education? Fuck off with your "maybe if we all sing
> kumbaya" attitude bullshit. Respect and peace go TWO WAYS and if some
> bastards want to murder innocents and do it for their religious and racial
> intolerance (it was THIER racial and religious intolerance that
precipatated
> this and other cowardly acts of terrorism) well, then a response is
> needed... and we're not about to take this one. Pearl Harbor was a wake
up
> call for the US in 1941 and this is for us now. What the FUCK do you tell
> someone whose family memeber was in the planes or those buildings? "This
is
> not a reason to go to war?" Guess what, dumbshit-WE HAVE HAD WAR DECLARED
> ON US! WE'RE IN IT!. Wake up and smell the fucking coffee. I, for one,
am
> getting in touch with my branch of the US military to see if there's
> anything I can assisst in... and I am a former Navy SEAL. DOn;t ever
> fucking tell me there's not a reason to go to war, or get up in the front
of
> the line and see what that bullshit will get you with the spineless
bastards
> who did this. They'll be happy to enlighten you as they kill you... and
> no, I'm not exaggerating cause unlike you (yes, an assumption but a fairly
> educated one, from your tone) I HAVE experienced life outside of my soft
> world and know what some of the rest of the world is like and those parts
> will not cease til they have killed what they can. So the question
becomes
> what do you want to do? Hide your head in the sand til it happens to you
or
> do something about it? In the meantime, fuck off.
Yeah. Smart move. Not. Do you have a brain in there? The people that carried
out this attack were extremists. They do not represent the views of an
entire nation. You don't go into a country with all guns blazing because a
small minority are stupid enough to carry out acts of terrorism. The answer
is *not* to start World War 3. Start it and we're all fucked.
David Cheatham
<Matchi...@ask.me>> says...
> Investigation reveals who did it, the court system is only in palce to allow
> them to argue it wasnt them.... the court system as you know it would be
> useless in a sitaution liek this, and too many liberals would argue to jail
> the irreverent bastards..i say kill them where they stand,
You are an idiot, and one day I hope you are arrested for a crime you
didn't commit and railroaded though the legal system.
Richard Nelson
I know about Enigma, and I'm very pleased about it. I also know how bad PH
is, but its the most recent war film so... I haven't seen Saving Private
Ryan for ages, so I don't feel it would be fair to use that.
Ajax
> A more realistic
> comparison would be the more recent Gulf War, as this is set more within
the
> world as we know it.
The UK didn't "get dragged in" to the Gulf War. A sovereign country was
invaded by a foreign aggressor. It was in the interest of the UK to
intervene. Take it from someone who was there. The involvement of the
Coalition (US, UK et al) was wholly justified.
> Also, perhaps, all the various conflicts around the
> world which i never bother to really follow.
If you don't bother to follow them, how can you present an opinion on them?
--
Ajax
Richard Nelson
news:N4vn7.13738$iD.22...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
>
<Cut>
> Yeah. Smart move. Not. Do you have a brain in there? The people that
carried
> out this attack were extremists. They do not represent the views of an
> entire nation. You don't go into a country with all guns blazing because a
> small minority are stupid enough to carry out acts of terrorism. The
answer
> is *not* to start World War 3. Start it and we're all fucked.
Well put
Ranger Bob
Actually, there were several machines captured by the Brits
and the US (although the Brits got the first one). I can't believe
people are still pissed off about a movie that nobody bothered to go
see. :) The historical inaccuracies were the least of that movie's
problems.
Ranger Bob
"Did he just call me a woman?"
"Jaffa, TREE!"
NoOneYouKnow
> Ranger Bob <rangt...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:3b9e71d5...@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
> > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:06:00 +0100, "Richard Nelson"
> > <ric...@risingpublications.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >Oh shut up you complete twat. We don't want war unless we can help it.
> You
> > >dumb Americans (OK, unfair, only some of you are dumb) go to war and
the
> UK
> >
> > You're right. Jusy look at the last two world wars. Oh,
> > wait... The Brits went to war and the Americans got dragged in. I'm
> > sorry, you aren't right, you are just an asshole.
>
> lol, nice one.
>
> The WWs aren't good comparisons as the situation of the world has changed
> since then. Yes, the UK and Europe declared war on Germany in both 1914
and
> 1939 (so I'd argue they started it perhaps, but now). A more realistic
> comparison would be the more recent Gulf War, as this is set more within
the
> world as we know it.
You mean the _The_ Persian Gulf War? The one with its roots firmly
established in arbitrary borders drawn by a *certain* occupying imperial
power? The one where inter-tribal tensions were purposefully inflamed over
decades of imperial occupation in order to pacify the local populations by
dividing them against themselves? The one where dictatorial and brutal
puppet regimes were installed as the empire withdrew in a final attempt to
exert and continue its influence over the region? Is that the one you mean?
The last war the Americans "dragged" the U.K. into against their will was
the Revolutionary War.
---JRE---