5 Ways To Improve A. I. - Do You Agree?

[Judy Haffner]

http://mlvb.net/social.entertainment.msn.com/tv/blogs/blog--five-ways-to-help-fix-american-idol

Despite the premise of the headline, these ideas aren't going to fix
"American Idol." Everyone perceives it as past its peak, and you can't
erase those kind of perceptions. But it's still a highly valuable
television property, with a 10-million-plus viewership, and it's worth
salvaging. So, offered in the spirit of altruistic generosity, here are
five suggestions that might help arrest the decline -- or at least buy
"Idol" some time.

Some of these ideas have been out there, of course, but the encouraging
thing is that a few have been discussed in quotes attributed to the
show's producers or FOX executives. Especially this first one:

1. SHAKE UP THE JUDGES:
 
It's already happening. Randy Jackson has announced his departure. Nicki
Minaj quickly followed suit. Keith Urban has a career to return to,
and another season of Mariah Carey's verbal fumblings and bloated salary
would seem out of the question. It would be worth trying to keep
Nicki -- the sharpest judge "Idol" has ever had when she was "on"
(which was not constant). But she did polarize viewers and, from her own
standpoint, has accomplished the mass-market penetration goals
her judging tenure granted her. She probably feels she needs to get
back to her own proper career.Retaining Keith would be fine, but it's
not a must.

There seems to be a corporate desire to cut the panel back to three
judges, find some articulate industry insiders and avoid superstars and
their super salaries. If so, why not make the obvious move and let Jimmy
Iovine transition from de facto judge to the actual panel? His taste is
variable, but he's not afraid to criticize and doesn't shirk
controversy. The other prospective judge waiting in the wings is Harry
Connick Jr., the show's most candid mentor and someone who would bring a
most desirable functioning sense of humor to the proceedings. You'd need
a female presence, and it would be smart to sidestep the
smothering/mothering​ types (Paula Abdul, Jennifer Lopez,
Mariah). Blake Shelton is the coach who makes "The Voice" tick. Why not
give his wife, the undeniably spunky Miranda Lambert (a former TV
music-contest graduate to boot), a shot?
 
Some "Idol" observers have raised the possibility of choosing a former
contestant as a judge. Kelly Clarkson, who was as personable as usual in
her stint on the short-lived "Duets," would be the most logical, but her
omnipresence on other shows (besides "Duets," she was also a mentor
on "The Voice" and sang on the "X Factor" UK) may rule her out. The
name of Melinda Doolittle has been mentioned, and it's pretty likely
that Taylor Hicks would be available. And Clay Aiken was a pretty mean
judge on an "Idol" parody during the penultimate episode of "The
Office."
 
One other point: If "X Factor" is canceled after this fall, make a run
at Simon Cowell. It might backfire in the long run, but he's the guy who
made "Idol" the sensation it became.
 
2. OPEN UP THE SONG LIST
 
That means, first and foremost, ditch the themes. One of the recurring
complaints about "Idol" is that the songs are too old and there's a
disconnect with many of the singers. The restrictions of certain themes
ensure that old songs will be picked, usually the most familiar and
well-worn ones. Getting rid of themes (which reportedly is being
considered) won't eliminate the oldies, but it's natural that young
performers will gravitate to songs from their eras, and the average song
age is sure to go down. Wide-open choice has been a secret weapon for
"The Voice" in its rise to ratings superiority over "Idol." When you can
get a range of music encompassing -- as "The Voice" did in its top 12
show -- the Backstreet Boys' "I Want It That Way," George Jones' "Who's
Gonna Fill Their Shoes" and Robyn's "Call Your Girlfriend," it's easy to
understand why. If the "Oh, wow" factor is theoretically infinite, a lot
of excitement will return to "Idol."
 
3. RETHINK THE AUDITIONS AND HOLLYWOOD
 
"Idol" seasons have been getting off to bad starts for years now thanks
to deeply embedded flaws in the audition and Hollywood telecasts. The
sheer number of singers trying out may look impressive on screen and
attest to the allure of the show, but it seems like a cattle call and a
long, dreary trudge to reduce the cast to a number you can actually
become familiar with. "Idol" is the last show to require unaccompanied
auditions. And while that may be the purest way to evaluate vocal
quality, it becomes an ordeal for the viewer to hear four weeks of a
cappella tryouts. The contrived audition atrocities break up the
monotony a little, but they've become predictable and tedious in their
own right.
 
And finally, because the show is taped in advance all the way up to the
semifinals, the producers can play favorites with the standout singers
or the heartstring-tuggers, and give them disproportionate airtime. "The
Voice" has its share of emotion-provoking back stories, but at least
every auditioner shown (except the unfortunates compressed into a
montage) gets more or less equal time.

4. STOP MANIPULATING US

Which leads to a larger point: A substantial boost in objectivity on the
part of the producers would be a big help. Reduce the favoritism shown
to the front-runners. Stop trying to engineer a winner. Too long a
winning streak for white guys with guitars is no excuse to make sure
they're all gone before the public gets a chance to vote, as happened
this season. It's also not good for the long-term health of the show to
choose such a hapless group of guys that an all-female finale is
practically a done deal.
5. DUMP THE FILLER -- OR AT LEAST IMPROVE IT
 
Most "Idol" viewers have watched enough television to realize that
certain competition shows and all results episodes require padding to
fill out their allotted 60, 90 or 120 minutes. Most "Idol" viewers have
also watched enough of this show to realize that group performances and
duets are a complete waste of time, seldom if ever doing either the
songs or the singers any justice whatsoever. On competition nights, if
filler is needed, use mentoring sessions or the generally entertaining
interludes in which contestants pile on each other to reveal
embarrassing or amusing personality traits. 

On results shows, add guest stars. And make sure they're the brightest
hitmakers of the day or the most legendary performers of the past. This
season's nostalgia wallow of endless former-contestant returns was too
insular, too self-congratulatory and several miles away from true "event
television." Give us more reasons to tune in.

None of these ideas, as stated above, will bring "Idol" back to the days
of 25-million-plus audiences. But they can help revitalize a stale show
that too often complacently coasts on past glories.
....................................

I think there are some excellent points to ponder here, and certainly is
"food for thought" if nothing else. Do you agree/disagree with any of
these 5 ideas?

Maybe you have some of your own?

Judy

[darkst...@gmail.com]

On Friday, May 17, 2013 5:34:51 PM UTC-7, Judy wrote:

> 1. SHAKE UP THE JUDGES:

Iovine has to be accountable. If you don't get rid of him, he's one.

Stop getting people simply to look relevant (Minaj, Carey, Urban, J-Lo, etc.). If Gladys Knight is available, take her. Look for a summer-ful of guest judge tables, though.

Former contestant? Who'd *WANT* that job, of that group? Doing it for a week is one thing, a season, especially March of the Mentally Ill (which I'd openly jettison!), is quite another.

> One other point: If "X Factor" is canceled after this fall, make a run
> at Simon Cowell. It might backfire in the long run, but he's the guy who
> made "Idol" the sensation it became.

Won't happen because of the time schedule. If X-F is cancelled here after this season, good chance he's probably putting together a new show to replace X-F in the UK in early 2014.

> 2. OPEN UP THE SONG LIST

That's legalistics and song clearances. Not sure they can do that without spending more money.

> 3. RETHINK THE AUDITIONS AND HOLLYWOOD

How about just ditch the damn auditions?

Anyone with a brain and two cells within it knows that the contestants which make the live shows are pre-selected long before we see them for the first time, much less even if the decisions are still technically being made in kayfabe.

This March of the Mentally Ill bullcrap has to end! Get rid of the unfit, and basically let the producers prescreen 50-100 or so people, but hold them accountable for who gets selected.

> "Idol" seasons have been getting off to bad starts for years now thanks
> to deeply embedded flaws in the audition and Hollywood telecasts. The
> sheer number of singers trying out may look impressive on screen and
> attest to the allure of the show, but it seems like a cattle call and a
> long, dreary trudge to reduce the cast to a number you can actually
> become familiar with.

But it's all about inflated numbers with "Idol", much to it's detriment. Most of the people who try out these days either are unemployable for one reason or another or professionals.

Keep in mind that the only people who can really try out for this type of stuff are people who can give the time (which usually precludes anyone who "has a life", per se...) to be on a show for 4-5 months, if need be...

> And finally, because the show is taped in advance all the way up to the
> semifinals, the producers can play favorites with the standout singers
> or the heartstring-tuggers, and give them disproportionate airtime. "The
> Voice" has its share of emotion-provoking back stories, but at least
> every auditioner shown (except the unfortunates compressed into a
> montage) gets more or less equal time.

And that's probably why The Voice might well be the only such show standing in about 12 months, if not a lot sooner. I could easily see Idol attempt an audition phase, find nobody of real note, and then pull the plug.

> 4. STOP MANIPULATING US

Heheheheheheheh...

> Which leads to a larger point: A substantial boost in objectivity on the
> part of the producers would be a big help. Reduce the favoritism shown
> to the front-runners. Stop trying to engineer a winner. Too long a
> winning streak for white guys with guitars is no excuse to make sure
> they're all gone before the public gets a chance to vote, as happened
> this season.

The problem is that, then, you really would've had little choice but to consign the show to one WGWG after another.

> It's also not good for the long-term health of the show to
> choose such a hapless group of guys that an all-female finale is
> practically a done deal.

They think they know better than you, though. The problem becomes, though: What happens when those Powers That Be that made those decisions get the axe?

> 5. DUMP THE FILLER -- OR AT LEAST IMPROVE IT

> Most "Idol" viewers have watched enough television to realize that
> certain competition shows and all results episodes require padding to
> fill out their allotted 60, 90 or 120 minutes. Most "Idol" viewers have
> also watched enough of this show to realize that group performances and
> duets are a complete waste of time, seldom if ever doing either the
> songs or the singers any justice whatsoever. On competition nights, if
> filler is needed, use mentoring sessions or the generally entertaining
> interludes in which contestants pile on each other to reveal
> embarrassing or amusing personality traits. 

This is something, IMODO, that X-Factor (in other countries, and only when the contestants are positively interesting!) has over AI.

A couple of my own:

1) SOMEHOW, EITHER TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS OR BILLBOARD SECOND-CHANCE OR SOMETHING ELSE, MAKE A FIELD THAT PEOPLE CAN GIVE A DAMN ABOUT.

2) GET RID OF THE SAVE. IN EXCHANGE, GIVE THE JUDGES THE POWER TO REMOVE A CLEARLY-UNFIT CONTESTANT.

Mike

[Universe]

jhaf...@webtv.net (Judy Haffner) wrote in
news:12364-519...@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net:


Interesting article. I agree with most of it, in general.

>
> 1. SHAKE UP THE JUDGES:
>  

Yes, and use 3 judges to cut down on the useless blather and allow for
slightly longer performances. Nicki had flashes of insight, but by the
end she was a waste of time, so I'd definitely want both her and Mariah
to be gone.

>  
> 2. OPEN UP THE SONG LIST
>  

Yes, pushing people out of their comfort zone is a good thing, but this
year there was almost no room for the contestants to make their own
choices. This is wrong.

Mike made a fair point that this involves clearing copyright is a hassle,
but performing music is the essential nature of the show. If they can't
handle that job in a timely fashion and pay market rates for the music,
maybe they should just pack it in.

>  
> 3. RETHINK THE AUDITIONS AND HOLLYWOOD
>  

I barely even watched the audition rounds this year. Why bother? I
noticed that there were fewer joke contestants and more good auditions,
but that's not enough. Maybe provide a lot more footage of the "cattle
call" auditions and all the stuff the contestants have to do before
getting to that final room.


>
> 4. STOP MANIPULATING US
>

Eh, it's Idol. I do agree that the deck was blatantly stacked in favor of
a female winner this year. Which, let's face it, made for a much less
entertaining season because of the mediocre quality of many performances.
But I don't think that "manipulation" in general is one of their bigger
problems.

>
> 5. DUMP THE FILLER -- OR AT LEAST IMPROVE IT
>  

I would ask for longer performances, as those abbreviated 90-second
performances are really annoying. And schedule the program to run for the
correct amount of time, rather than wasting two full hours every week.
But again, I don't think this is one of the more serious problems.


6. REBOOT THE VOTING

The voting has been a joke for a long time. Losing ANY remaining
credibility when Adam Lambert lost to Kris Allen a few years ago. Maybe
drop text and phone voting altogether. Facebook is far from perfect, but
it seems harder to game in a major way. If people think their votes
really count for something, I think they'll start voting again, and thus
become more engaged with the show.

[TheChris]

jhaf...@webtv.net (Judy Haffner) wrote in
news:12364-519...@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net:

>
>

http://mlvb.net/social.entertainment.msn.com/tv/blogs/blog--five-ways-to-help-fix-a

merican-idol
>
> Despite the premise of the headline, these ideas aren't going to fix
> "American Idol." Everyone perceives it as past its peak, and you can't
> erase those kind of perceptions. But it's still a highly valuable
> television property, with a 10-million-plus viewership, and it's worth
> salvaging. So, offered in the spirit of altruistic generosity, here are
> five suggestions that might help arrest the decline -- or at least buy
> "Idol" some time.
>
> Some of these ideas have been out there, of course, but the encouraging
> thing is that a few have been discussed in quotes attributed to the
> show's producers or FOX executives. Especially this first one:
>
> 1. SHAKE UP THE JUDGES:
> �
> It's already happening. Randy Jackson has announced his departure. Nicki

> Minaj quickly followed suit. Keith Urban has a career to return to,

> and another season of Mariah Carey's verbal fumblings and bloated salary
> would seem out of the question. It would be worth trying to keep
> Nicki�-- the sharpest judge "Idol" has ever had when she was "on"
> (which was not constant). But she did polarize viewers and, from her own
> standpoint, has accomplished the mass-market penetration goals
> her�judging tenure�granted her. She probably feels she needs to get
> back to her own proper career.Retaining Keith would be fine, but it's
> not a must.
>
> There seems to be a corporate desire to cut the panel back to three
> judges, find some articulate industry insiders and avoid superstars and
> their super salaries. If so, why not make the obvious move and let Jimmy
> Iovine transition from de facto judge to the actual panel? His taste is
> variable, but he's not afraid to criticize and doesn't shirk
> controversy. The other prospective judge waiting in the wings is Harry
> Connick Jr., the show's most candid mentor and someone who would bring a
> most desirable functioning sense of humor to the proceedings. You'd need
> a female presence, and it would be smart to sidestep the

> smothering/mothering​ types (Paula Abdul, Jennifer Lopez,

> Mariah). Blake Shelton is the coach who makes "The Voice" tick. Why not
> give his wife, the undeniably spunky Miranda Lambert (a former TV
> music-contest graduate to boot), a shot?
> �
> Some "Idol" observers have raised the possibility of choosing a former
> contestant as a judge. Kelly Clarkson, who was as personable as usual in
> her stint on the short-lived "Duets," would be the most logical, but her
> omnipresence on other shows (besides "Duets," she was also a mentor

> on "The Voice" and sang on the "X Factor" UK) may rule her out. The

I actually agree with most of this... This is a good list... I don't have anything
to add, but I'd like to embelish on #3........ What I don't like about the
auditions is when they cut like 10 singers at once.... I don't think we get to
know the singers. I can't figure out what to do beyond in the course of the
auditions, maybe cut like 2 a week..... It just seemed like all of a sudden, we
had a top 25, or 10, and many of the cooler singers were gone, and we had the
stuttering guy.... Great list though...

[Ron C]

On 5/18/2013 8:09 AM, TheChris wrote:
> jhaf...@webtv.net (Judy Haffner) wrote in
> news:12364-519...@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net:
>
>>
>>
> http://mlvb.net/social.entertainment.msn.com/tv/blogs/blog--five-ways-to-help-fix-a
> merican-idol
>>

> <<<....lots of snips below... >>>

>>
>> 1. SHAKE UP THE JUDGES:
>>

>>

>> 2. OPEN UP THE SONG LIST
>>
>>

>> 3. RETHINK THE AUDITIONS AND HOLLYWOOD
>>
>>

>> 4. STOP MANIPULATING US

>>
>> 5. DUMP THE FILLER -- OR AT LEAST IMPROVE IT
>>
>>
>>

>> Maybe you have some of your own?
>>
>> Judy
>>
>>
> I actually agree with most of this... This is a good list... I don't have anything
> to add, but I'd like to embelish on #3........ What I don't like about the
> auditions is when they cut like 10 singers at once.... I don't think we get to
> know the singers. I can't figure out what to do beyond in the course of the
> auditions, maybe cut like 2 a week..... It just seemed like all of a sudden, we
> had a top 25, or 10, and many of the cooler singers were gone, and we had the
> stuttering guy.... Great list though...
>

Maybe if they'd just be more honest when they dump them, as in:
"sorry you don't fit what we're pushing this season." ;-)
Heck, maybe they should do that at the front of the earliest
cattle calls. Hints of that stuff leak out every season but TPTB
never seem to fully own up to it.

==
Later...
Ron C
--

[Giggles]

On May 17, 7:34 pm, jhaff...@webtv.net (Judy Haffner) wrote:
> http://mlvb.net/social.entertainment.msn.com/tv/blogs/blog--five-ways...

Get rid of the themes. By the time a winner is crowned, I want to
know what I am going to get *after* the season.

One vote per person so these contestants will have a better idea of
how big or small their fan base really is.

Drama free judges so the contestants can be the stars.

Treat the winner like a winner and support them after the show.

And most important, judges need to stop ruining my drinking game by
not saying their big catch phrase! AI is a terrible thing to go
through sober!

[Feffeleskin]

"Judy Haffner" <jhaf...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12364-519...@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net...

http://mlvb.net/social.entertainment.msn.com/tv/blogs/blog--five-ways-to-hel

p-fix-american-idol

Despite the premise of the headline, these ideas aren't going to fix
"American Idol." Everyone perceives it as past its peak, and you can't
erase those kind of perceptions. But it's still a highly valuable
television property, with a 10-million-plus viewership, and it's worth
salvaging. So, offered in the spirit of altruistic generosity, here are
five suggestions that might help arrest the decline -- or at least buy
"Idol" some time.

Some of these ideas have been out there, of course, but the encouraging
thing is that a few have been discussed in quotes attributed to the
show's producers or FOX executives. Especially this first one:

1. SHAKE UP THE JUDGES:

It's already happening. Randy Jackson has announced his departure. Nicki

Minaj� quickly followed suit. Keith Urban has a career to return to,

and another season of Mariah Carey's verbal fumblings and bloated salary
would seem out of the question. It would be worth trying to keep
Nicki -- the sharpest judge "Idol" has ever had when she was "on"
(which was not constant). But she did polarize viewers and, from her own
standpoint, has accomplished the mass-market penetration goals
her judging tenure granted her. She probably feels she needs to get
back to her own proper career.Retaining Keith would be fine, but it's
not a must.

There seems to be a corporate desire to cut the panel back to three
judges, find some articulate industry insiders and avoid superstars and
their super salaries. If so, why not make the obvious move and let Jimmy
Iovine transition from de facto judge to the actual panel? His taste is
variable, but he's not afraid to criticize and doesn't shirk
controversy. The other prospective judge waiting in the wings is Harry
Connick Jr., the show's most candid mentor and someone who would bring a
most desirable functioning sense of humor to the proceedings. You'd need
a female presence, and it would be smart to sidestep the

smothering/mothering�?< types (Paula Abdul, Jennifer Lopez,

Mariah). Blake Shelton is the coach who makes "The Voice" tick. Why not
give his wife, the undeniably spunky Miranda Lambert (a former TV
music-contest graduate to boot), a shot?

Some "Idol" observers have raised the possibility of choosing a former
contestant as a judge. Kelly Clarkson, who was as personable as usual in
her stint on the short-lived "Duets," would be the most logical, but her
omnipresence on other shows (besides "Duets," she was also a mentor

on� "The Voice" and sang on the "X Factor" UK) may rule her out. The

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HOW ABOUT BRINGING BACK SOME ROCK 'N' ROLL INSTEAD OF THAT HIP HOP CRAP?

[Larc]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 08:20:55 -0700 (PDT), Giggles <giggle...@yahoo.com> wrote:

| Get rid of the themes. By the time a winner is crowned, I want to
| know what I am going to get *after* the season.

Amen to that! I'm not interested in hearing contestants sing genres and styles that
they would never in a thousand years perform after Idol. They would have made Josh
Groban sing disco songs. It's sadistic, IMO. By the same token, let winners record
the kinds of music they like for their debut albums and sink or swim with it. Don't
force them into boxes they don't fit. That's one of the fastest ways I know to ruin
a career before it even gets a good start.

Larc

[Larc]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 12:14:06 -0400, "Feffeleskin" <Feff...@aol.com> wrote:

| HOW ABOUT BRINGING BACK SOME ROCK 'N' ROLL INSTEAD OF THAT HIP HOP CRAP?

At least some real music. Something with an identifiable melody. If it lacks that,
I say to hell with it.

Larc

[AnnieB]

On 5/18/2013 9:14 AM, Feffeleskin wrote:

>
> I think there are some excellent points to ponder here, and certainly is
> "food for thought" if nothing else. Do you agree/disagree with any of
> these 5 ideas?
>
> Maybe you have some of your own?
>
> Judy
> ============================================================================
> =========
> HOW ABOUT BRINGING BACK SOME ROCK 'N' ROLL INSTEAD OF THAT HIP HOP CRAP?
>

Now that you've learned not to top post, please work on your snipping
skills :-)

AnnieB

[Ron C]

I believe you touched on the point when you said "it's sadistic."
Seems the main thing that all these "reality" shows have in common
is making the contestants squirm. Seems like society is being
regressing toward the level of the Roman circus. Heck, video games
got there ages ago. :-(

[darkst...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, May 18, 2013 7:21:43 AM UTC-7, Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes

> On 5/17/2013 9:45 PM, darkst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Former contestant? Who'd*WANT* that job, of that group?

> Justin Guarini, for one.

Credibility, line one!

> Adam would be great, but he doesn't need it.

FOX wouldn't let him. But, to be fair, I didn't ask that question.

Mike

[darkst...@gmail.com]

Because that "Hip Hop Crap" is what is being paid to be put on the charts these days to rile up the younguns...

Mike

[Judy Haffner]

Larc wrote:

>At least some real music. Something
> with an identifiable melody. If it lacks
> that, I say to hell with it.

I definitely think there should be a good mix in the Top 20 and for
maybe a couple of GOOD rockers for sure, and not just wannabe's (like I
considered James Durbin to be) but more like some of the contests they
would have try out for "Rock Star". I sure wish they would have
continued that show!

I think someone mentioned earlier in some thread, they could easily do
away with the dumb Save, as like this year, it was totally useless!

They NEED to have a good mix of gals AND guys in the Top 10, and LET
them sing whatever kind of music they do best. Scotty did it well, as he
was a country singer through 'n' through, but he had the ability to give
any song a country twist and make it sound believable. Someone like
Chris Daughtry should ever be made to sing some Motown song one week,
etc.

Also....the person booted off, should NEVER have to sing at the end of
the show, and especially the song that was their demise! They are too
emotional and it's like rubbing salt into the wounds, IMO.

They really do NEED to do something about the voting, as it is the most
flawed of all. I like the way 'DWTS' and 'The Voice' does it, with
limiting the votes to 10 per contestant for each method of voting..not
hundreds. I also think they need to make it a regular announcement, as
to how each 'Idol' placed for that week, as they do in 'X-Factor' when
they get to the Top 10.

There are so MANY ways they can perk up this show and breath new life
into it, but the biggest complaints I hear are about the voting, and
that it was an all female Top 5, which was boring, in spite of them
having "fine" vocals.

Last but not least, no more guest performers that resort to lip syncing.
If they can't come on LIVE and sing...to heck with them.

Judy

[Ron C]

On 5/18/2013 4:36 PM, Judy Haffner wrote:
>
> Larc wrote:
>
>> At least some real music. Something
>> with an identifiable melody. If it lacks
>> that, I say to hell with it.
>
> I definitely think there should be a good mix in the Top 20 and for
> maybe a couple of GOOD rockers for sure, and not just wannabe's (like I
> considered James Durbin to be) but more like some of the contests they
> would have try out for "Rock Star". I sure wish they would have
> continued that show!
>

> <<< ...snip... >>>
>
> Judy
>
That evoked a thought that the cattle calls should be
focused on the front persons of current bar bands.
Heck, it seems a good number of the real idols came
from that battle ground. The way things are ( or have been)
the cattle calls only run through the producer's filters.
Survive the bar circuit for any time and you've got a serious
head start on some degree of relevance and popularity.

One down side [YMMV] would be a limited supply
of tweeny-bopper fodder.

[Ron C]

On 5/18/2013 7:10 PM, Zob wrote:

> On Sat, 18 May 2013 12:27:13 -0700 (PDT), darkst...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, May 18, 2013 7:21:43 AM UTC-7, Susan wrote:
>
>>> Adam would be great, but he doesn't need it.
>>
>> FOX wouldn't let him.
>

> Why? I mean, have you seen any of Minaj's videos? And yet they let
> her on the show.
>
> --
> Zob
>
> "So You Think You Can Dance" Season 6 Certainty Contest champion
>
>
To say nothing of what they've been paying her. ;-)

[Bigolhomo]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 12:28:01 -0700 (PDT), darkst...@gmail.com
wrote:

That Hip Hop Crap is not the music that's in vogue these days. Pure
pop and EDM influenced pop is what's all over the radio now, hip hop
is way less mainstream than it was a few years ago.

[Cheri]

"Bigolhomo" <not...@nothing.com> wrote in message
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> That Hip Hop Crap is not the music that's in vogue these days. Pure
> pop and EDM influenced pop is what's all over the radio now, hip hop
> is way less mainstream than it was a few years ago.

It seems that the biggest venue for it is during TV programming, especially
the CSI shows. I hate that. Playing that stuff so loud that you can hardly
hear the actors speaking. Thank heavens for captions.

Cheri

[The_LA_Flash]

On May 17, 6:45 pm, darkstar7...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, May 17, 2013 5:34:51 PM UTC-7, Judy wrote:
> > 1. SHAKE UP THE JUDGES:
>
> Iovine has to be accountable.  If you don't get rid of him, he's one.
>

Jimmy baseball cap is fools gold, he reminds me of the back-up
quarterback that fans want in the game and then once they get him in
the game it quickly becomes apparent he can't handle the job, I would
give Jimmy his walking papers and start over with new judges...

[The_LA_Flash]

On May 18, 7:21 am, Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>

> On 5/17/2013 9:45 PM, darkstar7...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Former contestant?  Who'd*WANT*  that job, of that group?
>
> Justin Guarini, for one.

>
> Adam would be great, but he doesn't need it.
>

> Susan

I think that would be a good idea, AI likes to talk about "giving
back" well what better way to practice what you preach then to give
former AI kids a job.