The trouble with tonight's show
pe...@myhome.com
I'm starting to get to the point where AI is pissing me off.
Last year, Josh Gracin did "Ain't Going Down till the Sun Comes Up"
and did, in my opinion, a very good impression of Garth Brooks and the
song itself. Simon hated it, said he didn't understand the genre,
blah blah blah. This year, Latoya does the same song and Simon claps
along and loves it.
Last year, the judges told Josh that he was country and from the week
they told him that, he was expected to sing everything with a country
flavor. This year, Amy Adams does exactly what she should have done
with a country song and they said the same thing to her. Time will
tell, but I think she just blew her chances of being a "pop" american
idol.
I heard Simon say at least once, "we are looking for a POP idol."
Hello? Then why do a country night, soul night, etc?
Too many contradictions.
It has been posted that Nashville Star needs to mix it up and do
different genres of music like AI. Nashville Star is looking for a
country artist (that's artist, not just singer) and does not need to
showcase other types of music to prove that their contestants can
perform. American Idol seems to stress the importance of where the
contestants "fit", be it country, soul, ballads, etc. I think it's
just a way to get rid of the ones that they can't fit into their
molds.
pepsi
Karrde
<pe...@myhome.com> wrote in message
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> It has been posted that Nashville Star needs to mix it up and do
> different genres of music like AI. Nashville Star is looking for a
> country artist (that's artist, not just singer) and does not need to
> showcase other types of music to prove that their contestants can
> perform.
I said that tongue in cheek. I can abide country music and might watch
Nashville Star if they stopped singing country music on that show.
--K
Patrick Null
(snip)
Very insightful post, Pepsi. I agree with everything you said. You know
another thing that pisses me off?
John Stevens.
What the hell do the judges see in the guy? Seriously, he's boring! He
forgot the words, and the judges(Simon specifically), kinda glossed over
that fact. If you remember last year, Clay forgot the words in the song
"Vincent", and Simon tore him a new one. What's going on? All these
contradictory actions are really making me question the credibility of the
show.
Christopher Bell
4ax.com:
I think having the 'country' night is ridiculous in the first place.
This IS a 'pop idol' show, and pop fans really don't care about country.
As far as it being a stretch, or a challange.... I was in a country band
- it's no more challanging than anything else.
I've been watching Nashville star faithfully.... It seems to me that the
audience is much more 'into it' - more alive than AI, which I can't
understand. And I think that show attracts more 'artists' - people who
write and can play an instrument, as opposed to every Kareoke singer in
America who thinks she can be the next Mariah Carey.... I hope NS DOESN'T
mix it up. I don't care if a country singer can sing soul.... Let's be
realistic?? Could Barry White or Luther Vandross sung country??? If they
could - convincingly - would that make them a better artist??? There are
thousands of 'jack of all trades' singers out there.... So, I agree with
you...
pe...@myhome.com
Yep, and when Clay did it, it was on the week where they had to draw
the song out of a hat and learn it in something like 24 hours. John
had a whole week to learn his song.
I do think the song was taylor made for his voice, though and it makes
me wonder how big the list of songs was. There was a very smart
poster here (sorry, I don't have time to look up who you are, but you
know who you are) that came up with that song as one that he could
sing, but the fact that it just happened to be on the country list of
songs makes me think they are going to be showcasing his crooner voice
throughout the whole competition. Anyone else would have met a
challenge by now and been booted off because of it.
I have also noticed that Latoya and Fantasia can do no wrong and I'm
starting to agree with the ones who have posted that they have a black
female winner in mind this year. I expect the black vote from Randy,
who, in my opinion is almost racist in his bias for blacks, but coming
from Simon, too just makes me wonder just how pre-planned this season
is.
Note to Paula: If Amy actually did try to record "Sin Wagon", she
would probably be sued immediately by the Dixie Chicks, who recorded
it just two or three years ago. It's not exactly an old song and one
that can now be re-vived.
pepsi
Rocky
<pe...@myhome.com> wrote:
Agreed all around. The last paragraph explains better than I could why
they have theme nights: "I think it's just a way to get rid of the ones
that they can't fit into their molds."
Rocky
Rocky
<karrde_s...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I thought so!
Rocky
Rocky
<pat...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Right on!
Rocky
Rocky
<pe...@myhome.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:16:31 -0500, "Patrick Null"
> <pat...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> ><pe...@myhome.com> wrote in message
> >news:oba2601qrdprcj25b...@4ax.com...
> >>
> Note to Paula: If Amy actually did try to record "Sin Wagon", she
> would probably be sued immediately by the Dixie Chicks, who recorded
> it just two or three years ago. It's not exactly an old song and one
> that can now be re-vived.
> pepsi
>
There are _very_ well established protocols for song licensing - there
will be no lawsuits here. The fact that they got a release to do the
song tonight is the first sign that it's available.
Many songs are covered shortly after release, especially in crossover
situations. This goes back to the early days of Rock and Roll, when
white artists covered black R&B songs.
Rocky
- deanna -
news:240320041124055975%nydhoggat...@host.invalid...
An example is "God Must Have Spent A Little More Time On You" which was
originally done by NSync. It was "countrified" by Alabama not too long after
NSync released it as a single.
Date of NSync release - February 9, 1999
Date of Alabama release - May 11, 1999
Diane MacMartin
<pat...@earthlink.net> wrote:
I will say that I reallly like listening to John. Probably a lot of
people do.
He forgot the words and did a very convincing scat (if that's what
it's called). My husband mentioned that it was MORE impressive than if
he had sung the correct words. Showed a lot of poise.
Randy certainly made a BIG deal out of forgetting the words - wanted
to make sure that those of us who thought maybe it was planned knew
that i wasn't. Paula and Simon also mentioned it, just in case we
missed it.
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Suzanne D.
"Christopher Bell" <cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> As far as it being a stretch, or a challange.... I was in a country band
> - it's no more challanging than anything else.
I find that country is much easier to sing than most other genres. Even if
you don't have a twang, it is still really easy to get into a country groove
and sing much better than you would expect yourself to.
--S.
jo
"Rocky" <nydhoggat...@host.invalid> wrote in message
"snip"
> > Hello? Then why do a country night, soul night, etc?
Have you ever heard Aaron Neville sing George Jones' The Grand Tour. That
should put a rest to your question.
Christopher Bell
news:1064apj...@corp.supernews.com:
Nope - doesn't put a rest to my question - never heard it. And I bet I'm
not alone.
What does that tell me?? That's it's been done?? I know it's been done - I
just don't think it's worthwhile of people competing in a POP contest...
Ain't gonna be no 'Puff Daddy' played by a symphony orchestra to 'stretch
their horizons... there's a time and a place for everything....
>^,,^< Miracle
I'm not sure I know how to phrase what I want to say correctly,
but I'll try. It's been noted in here that John doesn't seem as mature
as the other contestants his age. That's because he *isn't*. Watch
him- he's terribly shy at times, and not well-spoken at all.
I think Paula and Simon felt as I did, that he did an extroidinary
job of covering up his mistake, considering his (lack of) experience,
and took into consideration his lack of maturity when they mentioned
it, so as not to crush him. He's not mature enough yet to handle that
sort of criticism, and they sense that.
So, to avoid "kicking a puppy", they went a bit light on him, which
I thought was proper under the circumstances.
I don't think John's lack of maturity was identified as the factor
*I* think it should have been when making him one of the final 12.
He's simply not ready for this kind of public scrutiny.
<reads over post> Badly presented, but think about the "kicking
the puppy" part.................
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>^,,^< Miracle
pe...@myhome.com
<cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
There are a lot of country artists that crossover into pop, but very
few pop artists that do country.
CMT does a great show called "Crossroads" that features a rock artist
and a country artist together on the same stage. They have matched ZZ
Top with Brooks and Dunn, Kid Rock with Hank Williams Jr., Sheryl Crow
with Willie Nelson, Pat Benetar with Martina McBride, and a lot of
others. Together they sing songs by both artists and add their own
twists to the music. It's a really good show for the rock fans who
hate country and the country fans who hate rock. It sort of shows
that the musical differences between the genres aren't really that
different these days.
pepsi
Christopher Bell
news:2kp560pn6mgk7t051...@4ax.com:
>
> There are a lot of country artists that crossover into pop, but very
> few pop artists that do country.
> CMT does a great show called "Crossroads" that features a rock artist
> and a country artist together on the same stage. They have matched ZZ
> Top with Brooks and Dunn, Kid Rock with Hank Williams Jr., Sheryl Crow
> with Willie Nelson, Pat Benetar with Martina McBride, and a lot of
> others. Together they sing songs by both artists and add their own
> twists to the music. It's a really good show for the rock fans who
> hate country and the country fans who hate rock. It sort of shows
> that the musical differences between the genres aren't really that
> different these days.
> pepsi
>
I've watched it - it's a good show. But, it's strictly a fringe concept.
You hit the nail on the head - Country artists do it to reach more
people. Pop artists are not interested in joining that restrictive
environment. Case in point - the Dixie Chicks threw in their collective
Country towels after the country community gave them such a hard time
after the George Bush comment. Faith Hill was a struggling performer
before she donned leather, and took hot photos for her 'Breathe' CD...
No doubt, musicians don't care - music is music to us - but, when you get
no support, or they give you a hard time (like they did to Shania Twain)
you start to wonder if it's even worth it to try and get those people to
like you.
My ultimate point is - it would be good for 'Nashville Star' to do a
'Pop' night - since it's more important for a country record label to
guage if a performer can actually sell albums to a big crowd - not the
other way around. I think it did more harm to Amy Adams to hear how good
she was at doing country, and to have the judges say, "you should be
singing country music."..... Kiss of Death I tell you :)
kaci
">^,,^< Miracle" <mir...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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well. I got a sense of how his performance went.
kaci
pe...@myhome.com
<cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
I posted that about Amy. It was the kiss of death for Josh last year,
too.
I don't know if I agree with you on country music. It's more popular
today than it ever has been, but I will agree that most of that is
because of the rock/pop influence. What I like most about country
music are the down-to-earth, humble, performers. You won't find many
country music artists forget where they came from. They all seem to
keep that "I'm not really a star" attitude and it shows in their music
and their interaction with their fans.
pepsi
Karrde
">^,,^< Miracle" <mir...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> but I'll try. It's been noted in here that John doesn't seem as mature
> as the other contestants his age. That's because he *isn't*. Watch
> him- he's terribly shy at times, and not well-spoken at all.
There are two words I would use to describe him and maybe they are what you
are trying to convey. Inexperienced and sheltered.
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>^,,^< Miracle
KACI!!!! Is this the same Kaci who used to post in the M&B group?
Good seeing you, if so, and thanks. :)
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> ">^,,^< Miracle" <mir...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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>> I'm not sure I know how to phrase what I want to say correctly,
>> but I'll try. It's been noted in here that John doesn't seem as
>> mature as the other contestants his age. That's because he *isn't*.
>> Watch him- he's terribly shy at times, and not well-spoken at all.
>
> There are two words I would use to describe him and maybe they are
> what you are trying to convey. Inexperienced and sheltered.
Exactly. And that lack of experience did him in tonight.
He was wretched. I wish he had waited a couple of years
before trying out for AI.
Now, since he made the finals, he won't have this venue
to showcase himself if he improves vastly.
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>^,,^< Miracle
Kathy
Oh, exactly. I don't think they did him any favors putting him in the
competition. But I think in time he could have become a very good singer.
Kathy Wajerski
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