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Newk Indofman  
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Subject: Re: OT - SCOTUS rejects Republican whining over Ohio ACORN

"Newk Indofman" <newk.indof...@somewhere.org> wrote in message

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Why is it whining? its vote fraud. If Acorn was a right wing organisation
the left would be up in arms.
This is why I hate playing the right vs the left game. both sides are
hypocrites!

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Subject: Re: OT - SCOTUS rejects Republican whining over Ohio ACORN

So let me get this straight: when rampant voter registration fraud is
uncovered, those who bring it to light are considered "whiners"?

Or is it only when rampant voter fraud that aids Democrats is exposed? I
mean, if they found some conservative group fraudulently registering
people who to vote Republican, would uncovering that be "whining" also?
Or, as is typical, would that be "different"?


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Subject: Re: OT - SCOTUS rejects Republican whining over Ohio ACORN

"zob" <zob@ cox.net> wrote in message

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Well I think registing Micky Mouse as a voter is obvious proof of vote
fraud. But Maybe your right. Maybe I should wait and let the courts decide.
I feel sorry for Sarah Palin as well. She also abused her power when she was
govoner and the last thing America needs is a VP who abuses power....Again.

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Subject: Re: OT - SCOTUS rejects Republican whining over Ohio ACORN
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Hey there, foreigner!  He may have abused power, but let's remember
that he's the darling of Hollywood who gave him an Oscar, and he's
the recipient of the most prestigious anti-American award:  the Nobel
Peace Prize.

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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:48:08 -0700
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Subject: Re: OT - SCOTUS rejects Republican whining over Ohio ACORN

I like it that Obama is, instead of laying back and taking it, is
attempting to get a special prosecutor to look into the swiftboating by
Republicans regarding Acorn.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/obama-campaign-seeks-sp...

The Republicans have fought tooth and nail to inhibit voter
registration.  They see their salad days or power coming to a close as
more voters are registered.

A person noted "ACORN had voter registration fraud, not voter fraud,
Micky Mouse isn't going to actually vote."

The following comes from the Washington Post
"Stuart Katzenberg, head organizer for Maryland ACORN, said Republican
complaints about registration efforts have been overblown. He said the
group reviews new registrations turned in by its workers and has itself
reported to elections officials many of the problems Republicans have
cited.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/17/AR200...

Acorn seems to be a group with a good cause.  If they review the
documents and flag the bad ones, why is this bad?...except for the
expected voter suppression carried on by Republican operatives.

This year will be a clean sweep of Democratic party wins; President,
Senators, and Representatives.  In the film "O Brother Where Art Thou" a
midget was holding a broom along side the candidata, ready to sweep the
bums out.  This year the bums are Republicans and their excesses are
being purged.  Good riddance to bad rubbish.  The Republicans resemble
the Bob Roberts tapping his toes at the end of the movie.


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Subject: Re: OT - SCOTUS rejects Republican whining over Ohio ACORN

"Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> "Newk Indofman" <newk.indof...@somewhere.org> wrote in message
> news:z6edncelfqSYomTVnZ2dnUVZ_sPinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> http://www.nowpublic.com/world/supreme-court-sides-ohio-secretary-sta...
>> --

>> :-"

> Why is it whining? its vote fraud. If Acorn was a right wing organisation
> the left would be up in arms.
> This is why I hate playing the right vs the left game. both sides are
> hypocrites!

Read about the recent history of vote fraud in the U.S. and the current
controversy:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/opinion/17fri1.html?bl&ex=122438880...

Charges of "vote fraud" have become a Republican campaign strategy, a tactic
used to try to suppress voters, particularly those likely voting for Obama.
The Supreme Court, to their credit, is seeing through the hyperbole. From
what I understand, ACORN hired people at low wages to register voters, and
instead of working hard to register real people, some of the workers just
filled out forms and handed them in. Voter registration fraud doesn't equate
to massive numbers of fraudulently registered people showing up at the polls
on Nov. 4. They may have used fake names and addresses to fill out forms
(just so they could get paid), but those "fake" people aren't going to turn
out on election day! Get real. There is no conspiracy. Since their candidate
is losing, the Republicans see it as a way to stall and manipulate the
election process.

McCain went way overboard in accusing ACORN of  being "on the verge of maybe
perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history" and "may be
destroying the fabric of democracy." Totally scripted Republican propaganda.
McCain should save those words to describe the many realities that have
plagued Washington for the past eight years -- some of which McCain himself
has participated --  including government-sponsored torture, the "Bush
doctrine", going to war on false pretenses, and trying to shove a
trillion-dollar bailout down our throats with secrecy, immunity and lack of
oversight.


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Subject: Re: OT - SCOTUS rejects Republican whining over Ohio ACORN

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So you would expect Mickey himself to show up at the polls on election day?

<whistling> "It's a small, small world..."


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 More options Oct 18 2008, 2:08 am
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The day dick wins the nobel peace price is the day hell freazes over.

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 More options Oct 18 2008, 2:12 am
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Subject: Re: OT - SCOTUS rejects Republican whining over Ohio ACORN

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I wouldnt put that past them. I was outraged when Bush stole the election
because I believe the people have the right to elect their leaders in any
countries and I'll be just as outraged if Obama tries anything. So if this
is nothing to worry about then why are they doing this crap in the first
place?

> McCain went way overboard in accusing ACORN of  being "on the verge of
> maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history" and "may
> be destroying the fabric of democracy." Totally scripted Republican
> propaganda. McCain should save those words to describe the many realities
> that have plagued Washington for the past eight years -- some of which
> McCain himself has participated --  including government-sponsored
> torture, the "Bush doctrine", going to war on false pretenses, and trying
> to shove a trillion-dollar bailout down our throats with secrecy, immunity
> and lack of oversight.

Yes he did go overboard but its still a concern of mine.

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"Newk Indofman" <n...@indofman.org> wrote in message

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I'd expect goofy to. he already endorced McCain.


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"Salad" <o...@vinegar.com> wrote in message

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Well dont you think its about time these matters are decided in court rather
than in the media?

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 More options Oct 18 2008, 4:31 am
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"zob" <zob@ cox.net> wrote in message

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And Pepé Le Pew

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 More options Oct 18 2008, 5:02 am
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Subject: Re: OT - SCOTUS rejects Republican whining over Ohio ACORN
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I didn't want to mention it, but he can be that, too.

BTW, hell froze over 30 years ago.  These days, it's hellish warming.
It's a carbon trading bonanza!


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I dont think Satan (ie the boogie man) would mind if hell got hooter. But We
would if the Earth did.

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Subject: Re: OT - SCOTUS rejects Republican whining over Ohio ACORN

Who is "they"?  Obama's team?

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McCain would make a good Yosemite Sam.

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Subject: Re: OT - SCOTUS rejects Republican whining over Ohio ACORN

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> So let me get this straight: when rampant voter registration fraud is
> uncovered, those who bring it to light are considered "whiners"?

It's not rampant, and yes.

> Or is it only when rampant voter fraud that aids Democrats is exposed? I
> mean, if they found some conservative group fraudulently registering
> people who to vote Republican, would uncovering that be "whining" also?
> Or, as is typical, would that be "different"?

The Republicans would definitely go that route, if only they could find
unregistered people who want to vote for their candidate. SO they go on the
attack from the other direction.

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Subject: Re: OT - SCOTUS rejects Republican whining over Ohio ACORN

"Thanatos" <atro...@mac.com> wrote in message

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> So let me get this straight: when rampant voter registration fraud is
> uncovered, those who bring it to light are considered "whiners"?

> Or is it only when rampant voter fraud that aids Democrats is exposed? I
> mean, if they found some conservative group fraudulently registering
> people who to vote Republican, would uncovering that be "whining" also?
> Or, as is typical, would that be "different"?

Before you upchuck anymore, please review yesterday's SCOTUS decision on
"rampant voter fraud" in Ohio.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/opinion/17fri1.html?bl&ex=122438880...


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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:23:21 -0400
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Subject: Re: OT - SCOTUS rejects Republican whining over Ohio ACORN
In article <5JydndXN8IyunGfVnZ2dnUVZ_srin...@comcast.com>,
 "Newk Indofman" <newk.indof...@somewhere.org> wrote:

Give me a link to the decision, and not a left-wing slant on it from the
Times, and I might.

Besides, it's not like Acorn's fraud is limited to just Ohio. They've
been caught red-handed doing it all over the nation and the Supreme
Court decision didn't reach any of that.


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Subject: Re: OT - SCOTUS rejects Republican whining over Ohio ACORN
In article <mKydneD1y9dWnWfVnZ2dnUVZ_hidn...@comcast.com>,
 "Newk Indofman" <newk.indof...@somewhere.org> wrote:

> "Thanatos" <atro...@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:atropos-607BEF.23131117102008@news.giganews.com...

> > So let me get this straight: when rampant voter registration
> > fraud is uncovered, those who bring it to light are
> > considered "whiners"?

> It's not rampant, and yes.

It's nationwide. That seems pretty rampant to me.

And why is it that exposing *any* voter registration fraud is "whining"?
Are you actually in favor of rigged elections?

> > Or is it only when rampant voter fraud that aids Democrats
> > is exposed? I mean, if they found some conservative group
> > fraudulently registering people who to vote Republican,
> > would uncovering that be "whining" also? Or, as is typical,
> > would that be "different"?

> The Republicans would definitely go that route, if only
> they could find unregistered people who want to vote for
> their candidate. SO they go on the attack from the other
> direction.

Well, that's nice and all, but you completely failed to answer the
question I asked.

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Subject: Re: OT - SCOTUS rejects Republican whining over Ohio ACORN
In article <PNqdnSM8kKAy72TVnZ2dnUVZ_snin...@comcast.com>,
 "Newk Indofman" <n...@indofman.org> wrote:

> Voter registration fraud doesn't equate to massive numbers
> of fraudulently registered people showing up at the polls
> on Nov. 4.

No, but coupled with Acorn (and other liberal groups') mostly-successful
opposition to any ID requirement at the polls, it certainly could result
in exactly that.

Why else would groups like Acorn be so vehemently opposed to laws which
require positive ID before voting is allowed? What possible reason could
there be other than an ID requirement makes it a lot harder for these
groups to rig elections in their favor-- to pay homeless people to vote
multiple times under different names at different precincts; to get
illegal aliens into the voting booth, etc.


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Subject: Re: OT - SCOTUS rejects Republican whining over Ohio ACORN
In article <iLKdnWSoA4697mTVnZ2dnUVZ_sedn...@comcast.com>,
 "Newk Indofman" <n...@indofman.org> wrote:

> "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > Well I think registing Micky Mouse as a voter is obvious
> > proof of vote fraud.

> So you would expect Mickey himself to show up at the polls
> on election day?

Knowingly registering an ineligible voter is a CRIME. What part of that
don't you understand?

Bringing crimes to light is not whining. Apparently, according to you,
even though the FBI has clear evidence of criminal activity, they
shouldn't arrest anyone (that would be "whining", after all). They
should sit back and wait and see if any of these fake registrations is
actually used, and only then step in. Of course, by then it will be too
late in terms of election results, which is exactly the point, right?


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Subject: Re: OT - SCOTUS rejects Republican whining over Ohio ACORN
In article <JNOdnVD3wZcT92TVnZ2dnUVZ_vedn...@earthlink.com>,

 Salad <o...@vinegar.com> wrote:
> I like it that Obama is, instead of laying back and taking it, is
> attempting to get a special prosecutor to look into the swiftboating by
> Republicans regarding Acorn.

LOL! The evidence of criminal activity is clear and incontrovertible but
Obama is apparently taking the position that certain crimes should be
ignored by law enforcement because investigating them might be
politically motivated.

Seriously?

Who gives a shit why the investigation was started? The fact is that it
resulted in exposing ACTUAL criminal activity by this group.


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 More options Oct 18 2008, 2:18 pm
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From: "Newk Indofman" <newk.indof...@somewhere.org>
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:18:09 -0500
Local: Sat, Oct 18 2008 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: OT - SCOTUS rejects Republican whining over Ohio ACORN

"Thanatos" <atro...@mac.com> wrote in message

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Paranoia much? You'd rather work yourself into a lather than read about what
a non-issue this really is. And do I need to remind you that the Supreme
Court doesn't agree with you.

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