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topcat

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Dec 16, 2008, 9:03:31 PM12/16/08
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...people are broke, so what should government do? Right, tax them more.


http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/12/16/2008-12-16_gov_david_paterson_unveils_dire_new_york.html

TC


CatNipped

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Dec 17, 2008, 4:25:48 PM12/17/08
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"topcat" <top...@aboy.com> wrote in message
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> ...people are broke, so what should government do? Right, tax them more.
>
>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/12/16/2008-12-16_gov_david_paterson_unveils_dire_new_york.html
>
> TC
>

That has to be the stupidest proposal I've heard in a long, long time - and
that's saying a lot when it comes to politicians!

Hugs,

CatNipped


Bob Rudd

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Dec 17, 2008, 5:43:07 PM12/17/08
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In article <6qt92tF...@mid.individual.net>,
CatN...@PossiblePlaces.com says...

Again, he was put on the ticket because he was disabled and a minority.
He fell into the Governorship. Now, he needs two Senate superstar
candidates to run on a ticket with him in 2010. One of the three is
likely to have to run against Rudy and none of them want that.
Additionally, the Governor wants it least because Rudy would like pick
an upstater like the Assembly leader, Jim Tedesco, who is a rock star in
upstate NY and the incumbent will be in deep kimschi. The most likely
upstate Democrat, Brian Stratton isn't likely to touch him with a 10
foot pole for Lt.Gov because he has his own plans and they involved
getting his late father's House seat who was one of the most decent,
respected Congressman in U.S. History.
--
I hope we can all be good neighbors online!

Seon Ferguson

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Dec 17, 2008, 5:50:52 PM12/17/08
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"topcat" <top...@aboy.com> wrote in message
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> ...people are broke, so what should government do? Right, tax them more.
>
>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/12/16/2008-12-16_gov_david_paterson_unveils_dire_new_york.html
>
> TC
>
>

Just letting you know the "leftist" government in Australia is only going to
decrease "carbon emitions" by 5% because of the global financial crisis. My
point is at least the centre left in Australia get's it. Maybe one day the
left in America will get it as well.

topcat

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Dec 17, 2008, 7:37:57 PM12/17/08
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"Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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They shouldn't be paying any attention to the global warming hoax at all.
*Anything* that negatively effects the economy should be scrapped
immediately.

TC


Seon Ferguson

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Dec 17, 2008, 8:08:18 PM12/17/08
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Yeah but they said they would do something about it as an election promise.
I think they are doing this to appear to be doing something but at the same
time they know the economy matters more. Plus man made global warming is the
hoax, not global warming its self. It's just a natural process like the ice
age or the end of the ice age or the mini ice age in Europe. The world is
not going to be destroyed like in Hollywood movies or revelation.

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topcat

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Dec 18, 2008, 2:54:29 PM12/18/08
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> <eye-roll>Indeed, what is the governor thinking? He should be more
> like a Republican and try to close New York's budget gap by cutting
> taxes and increasing spending! </eye-roll>
>

No, he should be more like a *conservative* and cut government and not raise
*any* taxes.

TC


Bob Rudd

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Dec 18, 2008, 6:52:06 PM12/18/08
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In article <b98lk45hjn72rv99g...@4ax.com>, zobva1
@gmail.com says...

> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:03:31 -0500, "topcat" <top...@aboy.com> wrote:
>
> <eye-roll>Indeed, what is the governor thinking? He should be more
> like a Republican and try to close New York's budget gap by cutting
> taxes and increasing spending! </eye-roll>
>

He's proposing to tax what little chance he has at winning election in
his own right, right out the window.

Right now, today, the odds favor a Rudy/Tedesco ticket in NY and that
would be very tough for Patterson.

Caroline Kennedy got a shock or two from Upstate voters as well in some
polls that came her way. I hope paid for them herself to make the bad
news even more enlightening.

Seon Ferguson

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Dec 18, 2008, 11:33:15 PM12/18/08
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"Bob Rudd" <bob...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Even Sara Palin has more experience then Caroline Kennedy.

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Bob Rudd

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Dec 19, 2008, 1:31:45 AM12/19/08
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In article <494b240e$0$3908$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...

Again, you show you're way off base with American politics, Seon.

Bob Rudd

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Dec 19, 2008, 1:36:35 AM12/19/08
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In article <tldmk49o2ldcpm66j...@4ax.com>, zobva1
@gmail.com says...
> Ms. Kennedy has a lifetime of experience around and in politics. She
> has represented the United States around the world at official state
> functions. She grew up in the White House and intimately knows and
> understands the ins and outs of the government (without coaching and
> "handlers"). For years she has sat on the boards, and been executive
> director of, several multimillion dollar foundations. She has direct
> management skills and ability -- and has a sharp mind. She has a law
> degree from Harvard University passed the bar in two states (New York
> and Massachusetts), and is a practicing attorney and editor. Sarah
> Palin's educational background is a few semesters at several different
> unremarkable colleges culminating in a bachelor's degree in
> journalism. She was mayor of a town with a tiny population, and has
> served a term as governor of the state with the smallest population.
> Very seriously, my intention is *not* to put down Palin (lay the gun
> down gently on the table and take two steps back, Judy!); I'm just
> stating facts. But when you put Caroline Kennedy and Sarah Palin side
> by side and tick down the checkboxes of their life experience,
> education, backgrounds, sophistication and political acumen, to make a
> simplistic statement like "Sarah Palin has more experience than
> Caroline Kennedy" is grossly misleading.
>

Sarah Palin in infinitely more equipped to hold major office that
Princess Caroline.

The numbers she received about how well she'd do in Upstate New York are
just the beginning if the Governor has any sense about him. Patterson
doesn't want to hack off Brian Stratton, who he almost desperately wants
on his own ticket. Princess Caroline will be eaten alive by Jim Tedesco
upstate just by his campaigning in general against her. She'll have to
pull a helluva lot of the NYC vote to overcome what Upstate feels not to
mention some of the other numbers she's beginning to see, especially
when Cuomo is already even with her in the Democratic only polls.

If Patterson gives it to her, he almost assures himself that Rudy will
run against him. Former Governor Patterson come 2011 does not want
that.

Seon Ferguson

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Dec 19, 2008, 3:32:24 AM12/19/08
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"Bob Rudd" <bob...@verizon.net> wrote in message

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I meant political experience. Zob: you convinced me Kennedy does have more
life experience than Palin and that is important as well. Oh yeah and I can
name all the presidents since JFK without resorting to Wikipedia, most
Australians only know about Bush and Clinton. There was Johnson, Nixon (who
got impeached but pardoned by Ford), Ford, Carter (who only served one term
and they were allegations that members of the Reagan administration bribed
Iran to hold the hostages until after election day), Bush the first (or
pappa Bush as I refer to him), Clinton, Bush the 2nd (or Georgie boy) and
finally Obama. I know about congress and the Senate um the 3 branches of
government, war of independence history, the American civil war history, the
major wars: the great war, world war 2, Korean Vietnam the gulf war,
Afghanistan and Iraq um yeah anything else? Of course there is a lot to
learn plus I only just started to figure out the electoral college (who will
be the one's to actually elect Obama) and the federal reserve system. I
don't know why I typed all that, bored I guess. Oh yeah and the speaker of
the house is Nancy Pelosi and she is the 3rd in line of the Presidency. She
will become VP if anything happens to Obama or Biden (God forbid)


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Seon Ferguson

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Dec 19, 2008, 7:00:04 AM12/19/08
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"zob" <zob...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:32:24 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> <snip>


>
>>Oh yeah and the speaker of
>>the house is Nancy Pelosi and she is the 3rd in line of the Presidency.
>>She
>>will become VP if anything happens to Obama or Biden (God forbid)
>
>

> Tacky joke - but that's Obama and Biden's life insurance policy ;)

Let's hope they won't have to take it out. I even hope Bush doesn't get
assassinated The last thing America needs is another President assassinated
be it republican or democrat. It must have been terrible to live through the
JFK one.

Tin@

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Dec 19, 2008, 9:47:18 AM12/19/08
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On Dec 19, 12:32 am, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Bob Rudd" <bobr...@verizon.net> wrote in message

>
> news:MPG.23b509daf...@news.albasani.net...
>
>
>
> > In article <494b240e$0$3908$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> > 01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
>
> >> "Bob Rudd" <bobr...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >>news:MPG.23b4ac363...@news.albasani.net...
> >> > In article <b98lk45hjn72rv99go475riivitib6t...@4ax.com>, zobva1

> >> > @gmail.com says...
> >> >> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:03:31 -0500, "topcat" <top...@aboy.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >...people are broke, so what should government do? Right, tax them
> >> >> >more.
>
> >> >> >http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/12/16/2008-12-16_gov_david_p...

>
> >> >> >TC
>
> >> >> <eye-roll>Indeed, what is the governor thinking?  He should be more
> >> >> like a Republican and try  to close New York's budget gap by cutting
> >> >> taxes and increasing spending! </eye-roll>
>
> >> > He's proposing to tax what little chance he has at winning election in
> >> > his own right, right out the window.
>
> >> > Right now, today, the odds favor a Rudy/Tedesco ticket in NY and that
> >> > would be very tough for Patterson.
>
> >> > Caroline Kennedy got a shock or two from Upstate voters as well in some
> >> > polls that came her way.  I hope paid for them herself to make the bad
> >> > news even more enlightening.
>
> >> Even Sara Palin has more experience then Caroline Kennedy.
>
> > Again, you show you're way off base with American politics, Seon.
> > --
>
> I meant political experience.  Zob: you convinced me Kennedy does have more
> life experience than Palin and that is important as well. Oh yeah and I can
> name all the presidents since JFK without resorting to Wikipedia, most
> Australians only know about Bush and Clinton. There was Johnson,  Nixon (who
> got impeached but pardoned by Ford), Ford, Carter (who only served one term
> and they were allegations that members of the Reagan administration bribed
> Iran to hold the hostages until after election day), Bush the first (or
> pappa Bush as I refer to him), Clinton, Bush the 2nd (or Georgie boy) and
> finally Obama.

Obama hasnt been a President.


>I know about congress and the Senate um the 3 branches of
> government, war of independence history, the American civil war history, the
> major wars: the great war, world war 2, Korean Vietnam the gulf war,
> Afghanistan and Iraq um yeah anything else? Of course there is a lot to
> learn plus I only just started to figure out the electoral college (who will
> be the one's to actually elect Obama) and the federal reserve system. I
> don't know why I typed all that, bored I guess. Oh yeah and the speaker of
> the house is Nancy Pelosi and she is the 3rd in line of the Presidency. She

> will become VP if anything happens to Obama or Biden (God forbid)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bob Rudd

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Dec 19, 2008, 5:46:19 PM12/19/08
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In article <494b5c61$0$3887$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...

> Zob: you convinced me Kennedy does have more
> life experience than Palin and that is important as well.
>

You have GOT to be KIDDING?!?!?!

Princess Caroline has as little in common with the average American
compared to Sarah Palin as the young British princes understand the
blokes who go to the pub after an 8 hour day.

She's a little rich girl who essentially lends her name to other
people's causes and hard work.

JohnGavin

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Dec 19, 2008, 5:55:40 PM12/19/08
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I have to agree with this. Nepotism is too prevelant in both politics
and show business. I see no good reason to believe that Carolyn
Kennedy would make a good Senator. She never struck me in interviews
as having any great spark of original insights - but rather came
across as a rather safe and wooden character. Her late brother, JFK
Jr. on the other hand, had a real charisma of charm and intelligence.

Now for a complete surprise - I actually have enjoyed Ron Reagan's Jrs
on-air time on MSNBC and other stations. He has shown himself to be
passionate, intelligent and articulate.

On the same subject, I feel some resentment at the hiring of Russert's
son at NBC - and the timing of it. It smacks of sentimentality and
nepotism. I've seen Luke Russert in action as a sports announcer and
I detect no noticeable talent. Such hirings are unfair to the more
able and talented young people dying for such a spot.

Thanatos

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Dec 19, 2008, 6:33:52 PM12/19/08
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In article
<e2ad897e-096e-46d6...@r13g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
JohnGavin <dag...@comcast.net> wrote:

What cracks me up is that the folks in the Democratic Party who are so
vociferously opposed to Kennedy taking the seat because she "lacks
qualifications" are the same people who are fighting tooth and nail to
seat Al Franken, who is even *less* qualified to be senator than Kennedy.

Seon Ferguson

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Dec 19, 2008, 6:56:42 PM12/19/08
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"Bob Rudd" <bob...@verizon.net> wrote in message

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But she does have life experience But I don't think I'd vote for her. Just
because she's a Kennedy isn't a good reason.

Seon Ferguson

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"Tin@" <tinas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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He will be after the electoral college vote and he is sworn in.

JohnGavin

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Dec 19, 2008, 7:36:57 PM12/19/08
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On Dec 19, 6:33 pm, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> In article
> <e2ad897e-096e-46d6-a6f9-1ba39fe50...@r13g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
> seat Al Franken, who is even *less* qualified to be senator than Kennedy.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

There's plenty of that to go around. I'm thinking of everyone who
supported GW Bush as President. Big mistake.

Tin@

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Dec 19, 2008, 9:57:24 PM12/19/08
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On Dec 19, 3:56 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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SaraH Palin has life experience too.

Tin@

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Dec 19, 2008, 9:58:26 PM12/19/08
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On Dec 19, 3:57 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Tin@" <tinas49...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> He will be after the electoral college vote and he is sworn in.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

But he isn't as of yet. I know this may shock you, but I know how
this whole thing works. It's you that seems to be confused on
American politics.

Bob Rudd

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Dec 19, 2008, 10:22:32 PM12/19/08
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In article <e2ad897e-096e-46d6-a6f9-1ba39fe500c6
@r13g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, dag...@comcast.net says...

> On the same subject, I feel some resentment at the hiring of Russert's
> son at NBC - and the timing of it. It smacks of sentimentality and
> nepotism. I've seen Luke Russert in action as a sports announcer and
> I detect no noticeable talent. Such hirings are unfair to the more
> able and talented young people dying for such a spot.
>


I'm gonna defend Luke's hiring with every breath I have left. He didn't
walk into a 250k/year job like Chelsea Clinton with a hedge fund. He
basically was hired, yes because of his late dad, but he's also a
modestly paid young reporter, reporting on the Gen Y generation, which
NBC is trying to bring around to network tv news.

There was something so special about Tim. There's hardly no one in DC
who doesn't have a personal Russ story about something that he warm
heartedly did for them. Luke is his father's son in the essence of the
statement's real meaning.

Sometimes, that merits special considerations. He only signed a one
year contract in case either NBC or he doesn't think it's working out.
He didn't take a position from anyone, he has one essentially created
for him.

Bob Rudd

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Dec 19, 2008, 10:24:13 PM12/19/08
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In article <atropos-FDDE4D...@news.giganews.com>,
atr...@mac.com says...
That race will never, ever, be resolved so as to really know who won.
If the Senate has any guts, the Democratic leadership will insist that
whomever is declared the winner sometime in January, or later, not be
seated and insist MN have another election.

Bob Rudd

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Dec 19, 2008, 10:25:14 PM12/19/08
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In article <494c34bd$0$20860$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...

No she doesn't Seon. She's never wanted for a thing in her life. She
never earned anything either. Everything, including a Senate seat
potentially, has been handed to her on a platinum platter.

Seon Ferguson

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Dec 19, 2008, 11:01:12 PM12/19/08
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"Tin@" <tinas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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No it doesn't shock me. But come the 20th of January I can add Obama to the
list of American Presidents.

Seon Ferguson

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"Tin@" <tinas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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At being a hockey mom.
Bad joke.

Seon Ferguson

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Dec 19, 2008, 11:03:29 PM12/19/08
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She had some, see Zob's post but as I said I wouldn't vote for her based on
experience.

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Bob Rudd

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Dec 20, 2008, 12:39:09 AM12/20/08
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In article <gn0pk4hkhrp3a159v...@4ax.com>, zobva1
@gmail.com says...
> I totally agree.
>

Putting aside what some might claim my bias....what Frankin is trying to
do with his claims on challenged ballots makes Gore look like a saint.
He isn't even hanging chads....he's been claiming random pen marks so
far outside his box that one could claim they were voting for anyone but
him.

Seon Ferguson

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Dec 20, 2008, 12:54:55 AM12/20/08
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> Would you expect any less from the state that elected Jesse "Thee
> Body" Ventura as Governor?
>
> There must be something unusual in the water in those Thousand Lakes
> up there in Minnesota.

What about the governator of California? jesse get's a lot of support from
people who are disillusioned with the dem's and repub's. And I can't blame
them.

Tin@

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> list of American Presidents.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Really? Wow, amazing, but the FACT is he isnt a President YET.

Tin@

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Dec 20, 2008, 11:05:21 AM12/20/08
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> "zob" <zob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:si0pk4hvp7j712afq...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:33:52 -0500, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >>In article
> >><e2ad897e-096e-46d6-a6f9-1ba39fe50...@r13g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
> them.- Hide quoted text -

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> - Show quoted text -

Hey, we're paying the price for electing that hack.

Seon Ferguson

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"Tin@" <tinas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Nope but he will be soon. Then things will change...I
think...probably...maybe...

Seon Ferguson

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Dec 20, 2008, 3:53:07 PM12/20/08
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"Tin@" <tinas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Well I don't live in the state he is running in so I wouldn't know. From
what I've heard of him he sounds pretty cool. But American elections
shouldn't be a popularity thing. That's how Arnold got elected.

Tin@

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Dec 20, 2008, 6:46:40 PM12/20/08
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Not, unless you think he actually told the truth.

Seon Ferguson

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Dec 20, 2008, 8:27:59 PM12/20/08
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"Tin@" <tinas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Well he is a politician after all.
Didn't he say he wouldn't take money from lobbyists and then during the
presidential campaign "Back track" on his promise?

Tin@

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> shouldn't be a popularity thing. That's how Arnold got elected.- Hide quoted text -

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> - Show quoted text -

You donyt live in the country that Obama ran in either, but you
supported him. Arnold got elected, like Obama, because he promised
change, sadly and probably like Obama, the change was for the worse.

Tin@

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> presidential campaign "Back track" on his promise?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

I dont know about lobbyists, but he wouldnt take private money and
back tracked on that, so yep, he's acting like a politician, therefore
I dont expect him to do anything he promised.

Seon Ferguson

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"Tin@" <tinas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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That's what I meant! oh there will be change. America will finally get a
President with brains. But that's probably about it.

Seon Ferguson

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"Tin@" <tinas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Yeah I guess I got into all the hype. I wanted change in the world but now I
am starting to question things.
I still think Arnold got elected because he was a celebrity. But if you look
at it Obama is like a celebrity as well.

Mickey

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Dec 21, 2008, 1:44:27 AM12/21/08
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America's had plenty of President with brains, many of them near
complete disasters (e.g., Jimmy Carter). What we need now is one with
good sense. Let's all hope we've lucked out this time around.

The Other Mickey

Seon Ferguson

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Dec 21, 2008, 2:46:31 AM12/21/08
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"Mickey" <mickey_a...@sbcnomorephishglobal.net> wrote in message
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Good point plus Nixon doesn't seem as dumb as Bush. I hope so, for the
world's sake but I don't know...

topcat

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Dec 21, 2008, 5:55:30 AM12/21/08
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"Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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No one is going to "change" anything. The US government is, for the most
part, corrupt, and the American people have decided on a Chicago politician,
a place that makes Washington corruption look like a traffic ticket.

No one is going to "change" human nature. US. politicians have proven time
and time again they love their power more than they love the US. Obama will
be no different. As long as we (the US) continue to ignore the Constitution
and keep running a welfare state, we're going to continue our current
spriral into third-world abyss. But hey, liberals loved shared misery.

TC

Tin@

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Your response had nothing to do with what I said, I guess you just
wanted to attack Bush.

Tin@

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That was not why Arnold got elected.

Tin@

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Bush didnt get kicked out of office, so how bright was Nixon?

Mickey

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Dec 21, 2008, 11:46:03 AM12/21/08
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First, get over the idea that Bush is stupid. He is not. He made both
tactical and strategic errors, but that is hardly unique for a chief
executive.

As for Nixon, he was probably one of our more intelligent Presidents
and, during his first term, one of our better Presidents. Unfortunately,
he was paranoid and filled with anger, not all of it unjustified.
Ultimately, he was pushed out of office not for anything he did within
the usual mandate of the presidency, but for abusing presidential power
to cover up illegal campaign activities. It was the cover up, not the
break in which finished him.

The Other Mickey

Bob Rudd

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Dec 21, 2008, 1:33:44 PM12/21/08
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In article <gqu3l.11355$be....@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
mickey_a...@sbcnomorephishglobal.net says...

> First, get over the idea that Bush is stupid. He is not. He made both
> tactical and strategic errors, but that is hardly unique for a chief
> executive.

I agree. 25 years from now, if not sooner, we may understand that it
was because of his policies that another 9/11, specifically, did not
happen on his watch. Above all else, as he leaves office, we walk our
streets safe from that recurrence. That may well turn out to be the
biggest challenge that Obama and his successors ever face.

Most Presidents leave after 8 years not being well liked. Reagan being
the one exception in the modern era, along with Ike to a lesser extent.
It goes with the job. At least half of the current economic mess is at
the feet of Clinton...beginning with his policy of allowing anyone to
qualify for a mortgage without being able to afford either a down
payment or the monthly principle payment, much less the interest to
their homes. He created a refi nightmare that became a Ponzi scheme and
he did it to pander to, largely, minority voters. Bush, OTOH, reduced
certain technical Street regulations, particularly with regards to short
selling without actual ownership that earns the responsibility for the
remainder of our current mess.

Add in a Congress, controlled during those times by both parties, at
times, each pandering to their respective bases and neither willing to
step up and make hard choices for everyone's betterment...and you get
where we are at now.


>
> As for Nixon, he was probably one of our more intelligent Presidents
> and, during his first term, one of our better Presidents. Unfortunately,
> he was paranoid and filled with anger, not all of it unjustified.
> Ultimately, he was pushed out of office not for anything he did within
> the usual mandate of the presidency, but for abusing presidential power
> to cover up illegal campaign activities. It was the cover up, not the
> break in which finished him.
>
> The Other Mickey
>

Isn't it almost always the lie and subsequent cover-up more than the
actual crime itself? Doesn't matter if it's the President or the guy
driving in the rain who would be innocent but leaves the scene of the
accident and it becomes a hit and run? Same for Martha
Stewart.....admit the crime, pay the civil fine and move on....nope, lie
and go away for six months with a criminal record for the rest of your
life.

Mickey

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Dec 21, 2008, 3:50:26 PM12/21/08
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Bob Rudd wrote:
> In article <gqu3l.11355$be....@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> mickey_a...@sbcnomorephishglobal.net says...
>> First, get over the idea that Bush is stupid. He is not. He made both
>> tactical and strategic errors, but that is hardly unique for a chief
>> executive.
>
> I agree. 25 years from now, if not sooner, we may understand that it
> was because of his policies that another 9/11, specifically, did not
> happen on his watch. Above all else, as he leaves office, we walk our
> streets safe from that recurrence.

Mostly we've been lucky. There are still vast holes in our domestic
security, and as the rest of the world improves their own security, we
will increasingly become a more attractive target.

> That may well turn out to be the
> biggest challenge that Obama and his successors ever face.

The biggest challenge confronting Obama is controlling the more extreme
(and stupid) elements in his own party. After that, it will be
convincing our rivals (China, Russia, and India) that we're all screwed
if we don't row in the same direction regarding the Middle East. (In
other words, selling the idea that Bush wasn't completely wrong.) He
will also need to make a similar case (including old Europe in the
pitch) for a coordinated approach to world fiscal problems.

If Obama wants to be seen as a hero for all time, he will need to cut
the throats of many of the people who helped put him in office, e.g.,
teachers' unions, Federal workers, and trial lawyers. The country's long
and short term interests run contrary to those of these groups.

In defense of Nixon's thinking, if not necessarily Nixon himself, he had
no reason to expect fair treatment from the press if he had come clean.
(From the time LBJ took the oath of office onward, the single most toxic
element in U.S. politics has been the news media.) Nixon had been
screwed by the press before. There was no reason for him to think things
would suddenly be different.

The Other Mickey

Seon Ferguson

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"Tin@" <tinas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Well he didn't bumble every time he spoke.

"The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because of the nature of Saddam
Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein, and his willingness to terrorize
himself." -Grand Rapids, Mich., Jan. 29, 2003

"Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties." -discussing the Iraq war
with Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson, as quoted by Robertson

"After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain, we
will not have an all-volunteer army. And yet, this week - we will have an
all-volunteer army!" -Daytona Beach, Fla., Oct. 16, 2004 (Watch video)

"Do you have blacks, too?" -to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso,
Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001

"It is white." -after being asked by a child in Britain what the White House
was like, July 19, 2001
"I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking
about peace." -Washington, D.C. June 18, 2002

"I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job." -to a
group of Amish he met with privately, July 9, 2004
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"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you
can't get fooled again." -Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we." -Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

Tin@

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So not bumbling makes someone smart, huh? Okie dokie.

Seon Ferguson

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Bush smart that's a good one- you have a point about Nixon however the
Vietnam war was wrong and based on a lie so any President who didn't pull
troops out was therefore wrong as well.

Seon Ferguson

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"Tin@" <tinas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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No Bush is just a puppet. I hate his policies.

Seon Ferguson

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Your exactly right I'm also starting to have fears that Obama will be anti
gun as well. Even more anti gun than Bush and Clinton. The leftists are
going "Good" but it is necessary in a free society for law abiding citizens
to have the right to own guns. That goes for any society not just America.
I guess we'll see.

Seon Ferguson

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"Tin@" <tinas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Well that's what I thought when he got elected.

Tin@

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And you are wrong.

Mickey

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Dec 21, 2008, 5:14:00 PM12/21/08
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Seon, as someone who has consistently demonstrated only margin literacy,
you should be reluctant to question anyone else's intelligence.

The Other Mickey

Tin@

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LMBO

Seon Ferguson

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"Mickey" <mickey_a...@sbcnomorephishglobal.net> wrote in message

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At least I can tell the difference between a Suni and Shite (ok I can't
spell that word but you know what I mean) I'll bet Bush still doesn't know.

Seon Ferguson

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"Tin@" <tinas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Well it makes them less dumb. Nixon just didn't look stupid like Bush. He
has brains. He was corrupt as well but at least he has brains.

Thanatos

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In article
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"Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> At least I can tell the difference between a Suni and Shite (ok I can't
> spell that word but you know what I mean)

Actually, you misspelled both words.

Seon Ferguson

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"Thanatos" <atr...@mac.com> wrote in message
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Yeah well I never said I was good at spelling.

Tin@

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> > In article
> > <494ee3e1$0$15735$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,

> > "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> At least I can tell the difference between a Suni and Shite (ok I can't
> >> spell that word but you know what I mean)
>
> > Actually, you misspelled both words.
>
> Yeah well I never said I was good at spelling.

Yet you seem to think you're the authority on who is smart and who is
not.

Seon Ferguson

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"Tin@" <tinas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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I never said I was the authority. You did.

Tin@

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I said no such thing, do you know "seem" means?

Seon Ferguson

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"Tin@" <tinas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Well then you are wrong I am not an authority about anything.

Tin@

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> > On Dec 22, 3:26 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Tin@" <tinas49...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >> > On Dec 22, 1:18 am, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> "Thanatos" <atro...@mac.com> wrote in message
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> >> >> > In article
> >> >> > <494ee3e1$0$15735$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
> >> >> > "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> At least I can tell the difference between a Suni and Shite (ok I
> >> >> >> can't
> >> >> >> spell that word but you know what I mean)
>
> >> >> > Actually, you misspelled both words.
>
> >> >> Yeah well I never said I was good at spelling.
>
> >> > Yet you seem to think you're the authority on who is smart and who is
> >> > not.
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I'm not wrong and it's clear you aren't an authority on anything.

Seon Ferguson

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"Tin@" <tinas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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That's what I said!

Tin@

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> That's what I said!-

No, you said I was wrong and I'm not wrong and I was letting you know
that we ALL know you are not an authority on anything, your posts make
that very clear.

Seon Ferguson

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"Tin@" <tinas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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You said it looked like I thought I was the authority on something. That's
what I was saying you were wrong to. Anyway this is getting old no one is
talking about politics now it's down to this rubbish.

Tin@

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Dec 23, 2008, 8:30:22 PM12/23/08
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No, I said you seem to think you are the authority on everything,
based on how you express your opinions.


> That's
> what I was saying you were wrong to. Anyway this is getting old no one is
> talking about politics now it's down to this rubbish

My opinion isn't wrong, you may not agree with it, but it isn't wrong.

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