Dr. Laura's Mother Found Murdered
DemocRAT Exterminator
My funny face
I am trying to become the person I imagine myself to be, have patience.
Michael Snyder
DemocRAT Exterminator wrote in message <7c1634c3.02122...@posting.google.com>...
Have you any idea why they suspect homicide?
Michael Snyder
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>So- is the bird dead, too?
Well, if anyone had been coming in to feed it, one assumes
they would have found the body...
Patty
Mother of 'Dr. Laura' Found Dead
The body of radio host's estranged parent was in her Beverly Hills
condo for up to two months. Police are investigating case as a
homicide.
By Jill Leovy and Mitchell Landsberg,
Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
The mother of radio talk show personality Laura Schlessinger was found
dead this week in her Beverly Hills condominium, where she had
remained undiscovered for as long as two months. Police said they are
investigating it as a homicide.
Neighbors said they had last seen Yolanda Schlessinger, 77, in
September. Building managers called police after noticing her
uncollected mail. She also had not paid her condo fees.
The younger Schlessinger, who grew wealthy dispensing advice about
families and relationships on her radio program, had talked often
about being estranged from her mother. She confirmed the death on her
radio show Friday.
Police would not say how long Yolanda Schlessinger had been dead. In a
statement released before her show Friday, Laura Schlessinger said she
was "horrified by the tragic circumstances of my mother's death, and
so sad to learn that she died as she chose to live -- alone and
isolated. My mother shut all her family out of her life over the
years, though we made several futile attempts to stay connected. May
God rest her soul."
Later, on the air, Schlessinger said she was, "shocked and horrified"
by the suspicion of a crime and, "overwhelmed by sadness," but blamed
their estrangement on her mother. Schlessinger also has a sister.
In a 1994 People magazine profile, Schlessinger said the estrangement
dated to 1986, when her mother walked off the job as Laura's
secretary.
Neighbors described Yolanda Schlessinger as a friendly, pleasant,
talkative person who seemed "quite bright," said Edna Neidorff, a
former resident of the apartment complex in the 400 block of North
Palm Drive.
Neidorff said the victim was chatty with neighbors. They called her
"Lundy," the name she listed on the condo roster.
Schlessinger had lived in the building two or three years with a very
noisy, white, parrot-like bird, Neidorff and other neighbors said.
Several said they had stopped hearing the bird some weeks ago.
Licia Masi lived in the same building as Yolanda Schlessinger. Masi
said that earlier this week, her daughter, a building manager, had
called police to check on Schlessinger.
Masi's daughter had grown concerned because she had not seen
Schlessinger in about two months, mail had begun to pile up, and two
months had passed without her paying her condo bill, Masi said.
When police entered the apartment, they found the windows slightly
ajar -- one reason, Masi said, that no odor was detectable to other
residents. Police could not confirm this.
Why no one noticed the death "is a question that we have," said
Beverly Hills Police Lt. Gary Gilmond, noting that officers were
finally alerted only because Schlessinger had not been seen recently.
Police said Friday that they found Yolanda Schlessinger's body Monday
afternoon when officers responded to a request for a check on her
welfare.
The victim had been dead "for a substantial period of time," Gilmond
said.
The coroner's office said an autopsy Wednesday did not immediately
reveal the cause of death, and that more tests will be conducted.
Gilmond said, however, that police "have sufficient information from
the coroner that we are handling it as a homicide at this time."
The case presents detectives with difficulties because so much time
has passed, Gilmond said.
Laura Schlessinger, 55, has long been one of talk radio's biggest
stars, internationally syndicated since 1994. In September 1997, Jacor
Communications Inc. paid a then-record $71.5 million to buy the show
from Synergy Broadcasting Inc.
Although not a professionally trained psychotherapist, "Dr. Laura"
(she has a doctorate in physiology) specializes in a sort of
tough-love approach to counseling. The Dr. Laura Schlessinger Show
began in 1990 on KFI in Los Angeles and is now heard on more than 300
stations worldwide.
With her stern morality and emphasis on traditional family values,
Schlessinger has long been the darling of conservatives and religious
conservatives -- called "a positive voice for positive values without
equal in our time" by the Rev. Robert Schuller.
But Schlessinger's popularity has waned somewhat in recent years. She
angered supporters of gay rights several years ago by calling
homosexuality "a biological error."
Afterward, she issued a statement saying that she was sorry for
causing hurt, but did not retract the substance of the remark.
A syndicated television talk show, "Dr. Laura," was canceled in 2001
after one season, and Schlessinger blamed an advertising boycott
encouraged by gay rights groups.
She has publicly acknowledged on numerous occasions that she has been
estranged from her mother, who she said was "Sophia Loren-like," since
sometime in the mid-1980s.
Her early family life in Brooklyn was troubled, Laura Schlessinger has
said.
She has said her parents fought constantly, and her father was
physically and emotionally abusive. "I have a background that would
curl your hair," she said in a 1998 interview with The Times.
Speaking with a tremor in her voice unlike her more steely trademark
style, Schlessinger said Friday at the close of her show: "I deeply
regret that, despite any attempts I made to make contact or stay
connected, she died without that ever being accomplished. And it's
very sad. It's very horrifying, obviously, and very sad."
In her show, Schlessinger frequently draws a distinction between good
and bad mothers. The theme is so typical of her that she and her fans
wear shirts emblazoned with "I Am My Kid's Mom."
Schlessinger has accused her own mother of falling short.
Schlessinger's mother, the former Yolanda Ceccovini, was born and
raised in Italy, but immigrated to the United States after meeting an
American soldier, Monroe Schlessinger, during World War II, according
to Laura Schlessinger's biography.
Ceccovini had been raised Roman Catholic; Schlessinger was Jewish; and
their daughter has said that religion was just one of the
battlegrounds on which the couple fought in succeeding years. Laura
Schlessinger has said she was raised without any religion; she
converted to Judaism in 1996.
Masi, the building manager's mother, said Yolanda Schlessinger was a
charming, very conversational person, who spoke English as well as
Italian and dressed very elegantly.
Although she believed the blond, blue-eyed Schlessinger was in her
70s, Masi said the woman looked much younger and had a youthful,
jovial manner.
"It's so strange that she had no visitors," Masi said. She said
Schlessinger never mentioned her famous daughter.
Neidorff described her acquaintance, Schlessinger, as a "lovely lady"
who seemed "very wise."
"She was very friendly," she said.
"But very private -- an interesting combination. She had an accent
that someone told me was Italian.... She never mentioned her
daughter."
Times staff writer Hector Becerra and correspondent Steve Carney
contributed to this report.
Patty
By CLEMENTE LISI
New York Post
Dec. 21, 2002
Excerpt:
Yolanda Schlessinger, whom Dr. Laura once described as "filled with
negativity" and someone who "blamed everyone for her unhappiness," had
not seen her daughter in 14 years.
Dr. Laura said she always had a rocky relationship with her mother and
that it finally soured after the radio host hired her mother as her
secretary and then suggested she learn to type.
"That was that - she just evaporated," Dr. Laura said in a 1994 Time
magazine interview.
Brooklyn-born Dr. Laura has said her parents' marriage was not a happy
one, partly because her father's Jewish family did not accept the fact
her mother was Roman Catholic.
Dr. Laura hosts a top-rated syndicated talk-radio show dispensing
advice to listeners. The show is heard on 315 radio stations by more
than 12 million listeners across the country each day.
Patty
From above:
Dr. Laura's life journey has been a challenging one. She was
born in Brooklyn, New York. She was one of two daughters of Monroe
Schlessinger and the former Yolanda Ceccovini. Her Jewish father had
fought in Northern Italy during World War II. There he met Yolanda, a
beautiful woman who resembled the actress, Sophia Loren. Yolanda had
been a non-practicing Roman Catholic.
Dr. Laura describes her parents' union as an "interfaithless"
marriage. She was raised with essentially no religion. Her father was
Jewish in name only. The only reference her father ever made to
Judaism was the fact that he was repelled by the Passover Seder. He
claimed that it celebrated the wholesale slaughter of Egyptian
children in the Ten Plagues. Actually, the opposite is the case. The
purpose of the Ten Plagues is to mourn the suffering and the death of
the Egyptians.
Dr. Laura grew up in Long Island and went to Columbia
University, where she eventually earned a Ph.D. in physiology. It is
well known that she has never earned any academic credentials as a
mental health practitioner. While at Columbia, she married a fellow
student, but the marriage was of short duration.
At age thirty, Dr. Laura moved west, to teach at the
University of Southern California. There, she began her career as a
radio talk-show host. At USC, she met a fellow faculty member, Lou
Bishop, then forty-seven, who was an Episcopalian.
After becoming romantically involved, she decided that she did
not want any children and underwent a tubal ligation. She and Lou
married when she was thirty-five. She then had a change of heart. She
thought that, after all, she did want children and had her tubes
untied. She also underwent a series of fertility treatments.
Eventually, she gave birth to Derek, her only child, who is now
thirteen. Lou became her manager. True to her convictions, she stayed
home for two years while Derek was growing up.
One rainy Sunday afternoon, Derek, then six or seven, and
Laura were channel-surfing. She stopped at the scene of masses of
naked women. They were grasping their doomed babies at the edge of a
deep pit that Nazi soldiers had dug. As the soldiers were about to
fire at them, Derek gasped in horror.
He asked Laura what was happening. Laura explained that evil
German soldiers in World War II had murdered masses of mothers and
their babies. When Derek probed further, Laura said that they were
murdered because they were Jews.
Derek then asked, "Who are Jews?"
Laura answered him, "Jews are our people. You are a Jew!"
Derek then wanted to know what a Jew is, and Laura responded that she
didn't know either but she that was going to study and find out.
Actually, even in the most liberal Jewish movements, neither
Laura nor Derek could have been regarded as Jews at that time, because
neither had ever practiced Judaism. Derek's questions, however,
sparked Dr. Laura's religious quest. She began to study Judaism,
attend synagogue, and keep kosher. Soon she enrolled in the conversion
program at the University of Judaism, in Los Angeles, with Lou.
Lou had to miss several classes and could not complete the
course. However, Dr. Laura and Derek were eventually converted to
Judaism under Conservative auspices. Last year, however, Dr. Laura and
Derek converted again, this time under Orthodox supervision, and Lou
converted with them.
Though she does not convey specifically Orthodox Jewish
doctrines in her talk shows or her writings, her religious values do
influence her works. Her first book was entitled Ten Stupid Things
Women Do with Their Lives.
Recently, she co-authored a book with Conservative Rabbi
Stewart Vogel, of Temple Aliyah, in Woodland Hills, California. The
book is called: The Ten Commandments: The Significance of God's Law in
Everyday Life. Later, she produced a television program based on the
book, which was recently seen on our local public television station.
In this book, Dr. Laura and Rabbi Vogel assert that the Ten
Commandments represent the first direct communication between God and
an entire people. They are designed to elevate our lives above the
existence of animals. They represent God's blueprint for us to lead
sacred lives. Each commandment contains an important moral principle
for real-life situations, connected with God, family, sex, work,
charity, property, and human relationships. To Dr. Laura, these are
not human suggestions or guidelines. They are commandments, mandates
backed up by the authority of God. They must be unquestioningly
obeyed.
==================================================
http://www.family.org/cforum/citizenmag/coverstory/a0007195.html
From the above:
No, Dr. Laura does not trust easily. Then again, can you blame her?
Her childhood was not trusting, or even loving. She can recall no hugs
and kisses, no "I love yous" to speak of-only a father for whom she
was never smart enough and a mother for whom she was never pretty
enough. What she did pick up was perseverance and personal
responsibility, hard work and the strength of conviction.
She was not born Jewish. True, dad Monroe was a Jew, but mom Yolanda
was Italian Catholic, and tradition says authentic Jews emerge from
Jewish wombs. Not that religion was ever discussed in the Schlessinger
household; in fact, her father's family disowned Monroe for marrying
an infidel. One story goes that Monroe's family wanted a young Laura
and her mother to take a boat ride back to Italy and sink on the way.
By high school, Laura had decided to make her mark in science, to
unravel the mysteries of life, to win a Nobel Prize or cure the
incurable. She went into training-one master's degree, then a second,
then the Ph.D. in physiology that gave her a title. Somewhere along
the way, she married, discovered feminism, divorced, vowed that
nothing would ever again interfere with her career, had her tubes
tied, moved to California, got a job teaching biology at USC and
placed a call to a sexually suggestive local talk radio show.
The host was Bill Ballance, the amateur photographer who would later
sell her out. For now, however, Ballance heard something special in
this caller, and he kept her on the air for 20 minutes. She ended up
with her own show on a rival station. In part because her callers
wanted advice, Laura earned her license in marriage and family
counseling.
She was still an intellectual, a feminist and a free thinker, but she
eventually began to reconsider marriage, thanks to a fellow USC
professor named Lew Bishop. They were united at courtside in 1984,
wearing tennis shorts and sunglasses, in a decidedly nonreligious
ceremony. Matrimony, it turned out, was the first step in the
redemption of Laura Schlessinger. A PBS special called "The Miracle of
Life" prompted weeping and a maternal urge she thought long since
dead; surgery and fertility treatments prompted her womb; and Deryk
Schlessinger's birth (yes, he has her name) prompted her to sacrifice
her career to stay home with her son.
She went back to radio eventually, but only when Lew was at home or
Deryk in school. She credits Deryk's arrival with many of the changes
in her life, including her rediscovery of the God of her father. It
was while watching TV with Deryk that they surfed by a show on the
Holocaust, and when her son asked what was happening, Laura-without
pause or premeditation-announced: "Those are our people."
The local synagogue corrected her, of course, told her she had to
convert, but it was just a minor setback because, after all, she
already felt Jewish. So she made it official, and when the syndicators
called and when her show went national in 1994, she brought Jehovah
with her. Her followers multiplied and filled the earth, for as we
know, the people can't get enough of Dr. Laura. She now writes
best-selling books and has just agreed to do a daily television
program, and every quarter, when the ratings book arrives, there is
exceeding joy in the land.
Kris Baker
"Patty" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f0e77308.02122...@posting.google.com...
> December 21, 2002
> Mother of 'Dr. Laura' Found Dead
> Neighbors said they had last seen Yolanda Schlessinger, 77, in
> September. Building managers called police after noticing her
> uncollected mail. She also had not paid her condo fees.
>
> talkative person who seemed "quite bright," said Edna Neidorff, a
> former resident of the apartment complex in the 400 block of North
> Palm Drive.
>
> Neidorff said the victim was chatty with neighbors. They called her
> "Lundy," the name she listed on the condo roster.
>
> Schlessinger had lived in the building two or three years with a very
> noisy, white, parrot-like bird, Neidorff and other neighbors said.
> Several said they had stopped hearing the bird some weeks ago.
>
> Licia Masi lived in the same building as Yolanda Schlessinger. Masi
> said that earlier this week, her daughter, a building manager, had
> called police to check on Schlessinger.
September! That's three months ago.
I guess I'm just a snoop, but if my older neighbor's mail had begun
to noticeably pile up and no one answered the door, I'd have called in a
"safety check" then.
I'm still curious about the other daughter (Cyndi), and if she was
also estranged. I can't believe she'd not have tried to contact her
mother in three months, if they were close.
Kris
Patty
"Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote in message
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: "Patty" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I've read that the sister was estranged from Laura as well as the mother.
Interesting that her sister Cyndi Harris is also a marriage and family counselor.
From a 1998 Vanity Affair article by Leslie Bennetts on Dr. Laura:
Schlessinger's official life story is studded with odd conflicts and critical omissions.
She grew up in Brooklyn and on Long Island, the daughter of Monroe Schlessinger, a Jewish
civil engineer, and his Italian war bride, Yolanda Ceccovini. Laura's hostility toward
mixed relationships has primal roots; when her parents married, her father's family
reacted poisonously because Yolanda wasn't Jewish. "Every member of his family cut him off
and would have nothing further to do with him from 1945 on," says Ballance, who knew both
Yolanda and Monty. Laura and her sister, Cyndi, were raised in a home where there seemed
to be little love. "She was brought up in a quarrelsome family, so her idea of human
communications is shouting, screaming, bellowing, and screeching," says Ballance. The
Schlessingers eventually divorced, and Monty died of stomach cancer in 1990.
Some of Laura's intimates didn't even know that she had a sister. "She always told me she
was an only child," says Shelly Herman.
Schlessinger has been estranged from her sister, who is a marriage and family counselor,
apparently since the 1970s. Her friends don't know why. When Ballance, who actually met
Cyndi before the rift, asked Laura about it, she just said, "Oh, she's so much prettier
than I am!" Laura's own attractiveness has always been an extremely sore subject. "Her
daddy told her she was ugly when she was little," explains Herman. Laura, who had brown
hair and big glasses back then, remembers this assessment as totally devastating.
Although Schlessinger admonishes her callers to mend family rifts, she hasn't seen her own
mother in 14 years. The rupture amazed her friends, who say that Laura's mother was
devoted to her. "Laura is a very needy person, and her mother was instrumental in helping
her function on a daily basis," explains Herman. "Her mother lived for Laura and would
have done anything for her."
Schlessinger claims that her mother walked out on her job as her secretary after Laura
suggested she learn to type.
"She just evaporated." Laura told People magazine four years ago, in an interview in which
she also described her mother as "filled with negativity.....She blamed everyone for her
unhappiness." But back in 1984, Schlessinger explained the breach somewhat differently: "I
retired my mother from my office," she said in a letter to Ballance. These days
Schlessinger refuses to talk about her family at all, insisting that gossip is against her
religion.
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Kris Baker wrote in message ...
>
>I'm still curious about the other daughter (Cyndi), and if she was
>also estranged. I can't believe she'd not have tried to contact her
>mother in three months, if they were close.
>
>Kris
>
Cyndi was estranged from Laura, and it seems she must have been from her
mother too. Very strange
Patty
High's own--the most popular woman on radio and the queen of tough
Donald P. Myers
Newsday
Oct 07, 1997
Excerpt:
Like many of her callers, Laura Schlessinger knows something about
the messed-up life. She is the older daughter of Monroe Schlessinger,
a
Jewish civil engineer, and Yolanda Ceccovini, a young Italian Catholic
woman. They married in Italy in the last days of World War II. Laura
says she lived an unhappy childhood, in Brooklyn until she was 7, and
then when the family moved to Westbury and then Jericho.
"The bigger part of my dad's family was pretty hideous about the
fact that he married outside the faith," Dr. Laura says in her office
at
KFI. "They'd call the house and say to my mother, `Why don't you go
back
to Italy, and maybe the boat goes down and you and your daughter
drown.' That had to be difficult for my mother, whose parents and
sister
died in the war."
Raised without religion in a chilly home, Laura Schlessinger
retreated into science, earning a BS in biology from Stony Brook, and
eventually getting the PhD. Her parents' stormy 30-year marriage ended
in divorce. Schlessinger's father died seven years ago of stomach
cancer.
"Sadly, there were four people - my parents, my sister and me -
and nobody felt any close ties to anybody else," Schlessinger says.
Some of Dr. Laura's critics say she's not practicing what she
preaches about family values: She has been estranged from her
74-year-old mother for more than 10 years. Schlessinger won't talk
about
the breakup now, but she told The Washington Post two years ago that
her
mother was the kind of woman she now criticizes, for complaining
without
bothering to better herself. "She had the brains, but not the grit, to
tackle something and follow it through," Schlessinger told the Post.
"I'm the total opposite of my mother."
Schlessinger told the Post the rift occurred when her mother was
doing clerical work on her then-local Los Angeles radio show.
Schlessinger said she suggested her mother learn how to type, and her
mother got angry. "She packed up her stuff and exited my life," Dr.
Laura said. Her mother could not be reached for comment.
"What is generous about life is that, with respect to family, you
have two opportunities," Dr. Laura says now. "The first family is not
of
your design, and you make the best of it. Then you have the
opportunity
to become a spouse and a parent, and build something nice. I'm
grateful
to say I do have that now."
Kris Baker
<True Rea...@claque.net> wrote in message news:au2cdu$idj$0...@pita.alt.net...
That's my point, actually. Laura's been bashed for being estranged from
her mother and sister, yet it's now painfully obvious that there was a
breach
between Cyndi and the mother, also. I guess Vanity Fair wasn't interested
in more than "bad bad Laura".
Kris
Kris Baker
"Patty" <la...@bug.com> wrote in message news:3e04...@post.newsfeed.com...
Sounds like a truly poisonous family, to me.
Frankly, I listen to Dr Laura when in the car. I don't always agree with
her (her switcharoo
on homosexuals sickened me), but most of the flack she gets is for telling
people what
they've asked for: her opinion. Anyone who's listened to her for two
days should
know that they won't get any sympathy from her when they ask about shacking
up,
having children out of wedlock, broken families, and failure to take
familian responsi-
bilities seriously.
Her opinions do mirror her own background.
Kris
Unknown
Kris wrote:
>That's my point, actually. Laura's been bashed for being estranged
from
>her mother and sister, yet it's now painfully obvious that there was a
>breach
>between Cyndi and the mother, also. I guess Vanity Fair wasn't
interested
>in more than "bad bad Laura".
>
>Kris
I did some searching and was surprized to find the nude photos are
on-line, and an interesting FAQ and time-line from a newsgroup. She has
denied Derek has any grandparents, but Lew's father is alive and her
mother was at the time. She has been estranged from her sister since the
70's. She was estranged from her father but did reconcile with him
before he died of stomach cancer.
http://www.angelfire.com/journal/artdljunkie/faq.html
Patty
>
> "Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote in message
> news:SM1N9.129$t44.14...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
> :
> : "Patty" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> : news:f0e77308.02122...@posting.google.com...
> : > Mother of 'Dr. Laura' Found Dead
> : > Neighbors said they had last seen Yolanda Schlessinger, 77, in
> : > September. Building managers called police after noticing her
> : > uncollected mail. She also had not paid her condo fees.
> : > Neighbors described Yolanda Schlessinger as a friendly, pleasant,
> : > talkative person who seemed "quite bright," said Edna Neidorff, a
> : > former resident of the apartment complex in the 400 block of North
> : > Palm Drive.
> : >
> : > Neidorff said the victim was chatty with neighbors. They called her
> : > "Lundy," the name she listed on the condo roster.
> : >
> : > Schlessinger had lived in the building two or three years with a very
> : > noisy, white, parrot-like bird, Neidorff and other neighbors said.
> : > Several said they had stopped hearing the bird some weeks ago.
> : >
> : > Licia Masi lived in the same building as Yolanda Schlessinger. Masi
> : > said that earlier this week, her daughter, a building manager, had
> : > called police to check on Schlessinger.
responsibilities seriously.
Her opinions do mirror her own background.
Kris
Dr. Phil is also pretty straight forward with people, but the
difference between him and Dr. Laura is that he's much more diplomatic
when he tells someone how it looks to the outside. Dr. Laura is so
black and white, there is absolutely no room for compassion. Plus she
has lied about her past - the problems getting pregnant, yet her son
was born less than a year after the marriage; financial struggles in
her present marriage, yet her husband doesn't remember a time he was
unemployed, and if he was says it must have been very brief. Dr.
Laura berates callers, yet when she gets bad reviews she goes on the
air complaining about the columnist. I only listen to her when
someone else subjects me to her.
Patty
Unknown
>difference between him and Dr. Laura is that he's much more diplomatic
>when he tells someone how it looks to the outside. Dr. Laura is so
>black and white, there is absolutely no room for compassion. Plus she
>has lied about her past - the problems getting pregnant, yet her son
>was born less than a year after the marriage; financial struggles in
>her present marriage, yet her husband doesn't remember a time he was
>unemployed, and if he was says it must have been very brief. Dr.
>Laura berates callers, yet when she gets bad reviews she goes on the
>air complaining about the columnist. I only listen to her when
>someone else subjects me to her.
>
>Patty
She had a tubal reversed and it took her several years
(with fertility drugs) to get pregnant at age 38. She was shacking up
with Lew who left his wife and three kids for her. She was unmarried
when she became pregnant and he was of a different religion. All the
things she tells callers not to do, and she also tells callers to adopt
over fertility tx
TR
Kris Baker
Dr Phil is much more offensive than Dr Laura, at least to me. He
seems more like a loose cannon, whereby Laura's (at least) more
predictable.
I think most of what DL preaches has to do with her own guilt over
her own mistakes.
The main entertainment with DL is screaming at the radio, over the
stupidity of some of the callers - who should already know what
she's going to tell them.
Kris
Unknown
Kris wrote:
Anyone who's listened to her for two
>days should
>know that they won't get any sympathy from her when they ask about
shacking
>up,
>having children out of wedlock, broken families, and failure to take
>familian responsi-
>bilities seriously.
>
>Her opinions do mirror her own background.
>
>Kris
>
Yes, she slept with another man while she was married to her first
husband, shacked up with Lew, conceived her child while unmarried,
married a man of another faith,
who left his wife and three kids for her, and is a working mom
TR
Patty
Call to Dr. Laura haunts murder trial: 'I did it,' caller told talk
show hostess
By: Tony Lofaro
Ottawa Citizen
Feb 07, 2002
A Connecticut Superior Court judge postponed a decision yesterday on
whether to order a voice sample from a Connecticut man to determine if
it matches that of a caller to a popular open-line show who said he
had been involved in a shooting death.
"The judge did not rule it (the voice sample) out from coming up later
in the trial. The judge said he had no authority to compel somebody
who is not included in the case on a pre-trial basis to provide the
voice sample which would be evidence," said Christopher Keating, a
Hartford Courant reporter covering the trial.
A man identified as "Chris" called Dr. Laura Schlessinger's syndicated
radio show on Dec. 13, 2000, and said when he was 15 he was the
shooter in a murder-for-hire plot and now he was thinking about
telling his family. A transcript of the call was entered into the
court record.
The radio program has been drawn into the case because defence lawyers
argued Christopher Despres, son of the convicted killer, Mark Despres,
might have been the person who called the show.
Yesterday was the opening day of the murder trial of Beth Carpenter, a
former lawyer accused of conspiring with a former law partner -- who
was also her lover -- to have her brother-in-law killed over a
child-custody dispute. She has pleaded not guilty to charges of
capital felony murder and conspiracy to commit murder in the 1994
death of Anson Clinton, who was married to her sister, Kim.
Mr. Keating said Christopher Despres has not been charged and the
judge ruled he could not force someone who is not a party to the case
to give a voice sample. He expects further debate on the matter when
Christopher Despres takes the stand.
The trial is expected to last six to eight weeks.
Keven Bellows, Dr. Laura Schlessinger's radio producer, declined to
comment yesterday when contacted in Los Angeles.
Transcript of the Radio Conversation
Dr. Laura: Chris, welcome to the program.
Caller: Yeah, hi. Thank you, uh, for taking my call. Um. I have a, a
kind of a weird question for your show.
Dr. Laura: I like weird.
Caller: When I, when I was 15 years old, um, I was involved in a, um,
murder for hire. And, um, now I'm married.
Dr. Laura: And what, what role did you take in this murder for hire?
Caller: I was the one that actually did it. And, um ...
Dr. Laura: You're right. This is different for this show.
Caller: I don't know whether or not I should let my family-in-law know
about what happened.
Dr. Laura: Does your wife know?
Caller: Yeah. She knew when she was dating me.
Dr. Laura: Gee ... OK. No, I don't recommend ... assuming you're a
nice guy now. No. I recommend you get on with life because the
reaction will be just like mine. I'd wish my daughter were not married
to you. So, nice guy as you are, there's somebody, there's somebody
still dead and I have a real problem with that.
Caller: So do I. I know that ...
Dr. Laura: I understand, but I'm suggesting this will not, this will
not make the relationships within the family better.
Caller: My worry is that they may judge ...
Dr. Laura: OK, Chris. I don't care what your worry is, that they might
find out something in the future. On the off chance that anybody does,
you don't do it now. That's my opinion. You don't say there might be a
flood so I'm gonna burn my house down now.
Caller: Gotcha. Thank you. (Caller hangs up).
Dr. Laura: Oh. Mommy, I'd like you to meet my boyfriend. He killed
people several years ago but he's really nice now. That would, you
know, your average mother would break out in hives.
Kris Baker
<True Rea...@claque.net> wrote in message news:au2m6b$ibf$0...@pita.alt.net...
A working mom of a teenager, not an infant.
If she'd come out and admit her own mistakes, and give her basis
for her advice, it'd be more palatable to many.
Kris
Unknown
Kris Baker wrote in message ...
>
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>>
>> Kris wrote:
>>
>> Anyone who's listened to her for two
>> >days should
>> >know that they won't get any sympathy from her when they ask about
>> shacking
>> >up,
>> >having children out of wedlock, broken families, and failure to take
>> >familian responsi-
>> >bilities seriously.
>> >
>> >Her opinions do mirror her own background.
>> >
>> >Kris
>> >
>> Yes, she slept with another man while she was married to her first
>> husband, shacked up with Lew, conceived her child while unmarried,
>> married a man of another faith,
>> who left his wife and three kids for her, and is a working mom
>>
>> TR
>
>A working mom of a teenager, not an infant.
At the time of her child's birth, she had her private practice
(1981-1993)
her job at the radio show (1980 to present) a knitting business and her
career at Pepperdine (1981-1989)
Deryk was born in 1985
>If she'd come out and admit her own mistakes, and give her basis
>for her advice, it'd be more palatable to many.
I agree and if she didn't hold that smug moral superiority
attitude and lie, she just might be tolerable.
TR
>
>Kris
>
>
tiny dancer
<True Rea...@claque.net> wrote in message news:au2i1o$4hd$0...@pita.alt.net...
Where are the nude photo's?
td
>
>
PattyC
on my most yucky list, and here she is in the most bizarre circumstance...
I know enough, and am interested enough, to have read about Mom not learning
to type and all. I JUST don't quite buy that Laura is all innocent and good
and has been trying to make OK with Mom all these years.
Someone else suggested a similar thing... but... you are amazingly rich, you
have a mother that is almost 80,...... maybe, even IF you don't talk to one
another.. .you make sure she is checked on.... someone looks in...
I found her public, on the show, comment, sickening..... as if Mom *chose*
to die as she lived... alone and isolated.... ummmm MOM was MURDERED.
Once again Dr. Laura comes across to me as a very creepy woman. I am not
surprised Luk likes her......
PattyC
--
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"Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigyy.net> wrote in message
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Unknown
tiny dancer wrote in message ...
>
>
>Where are the nude photo's?
>
>td
>
I'm shocked you asked
http://homepage.interaccess.com/~harryusa/comments/drnude2.html
Unknown
PattyC wrote in message
<2A7N9.418832$%m4.1...@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>...
>I'm sorry if it sound mean, but I am fascinated by this one! Dr.
Laura is
>on my most yucky list, and here she is in the most bizarre
circumstance...
>I know enough, and am interested enough, to have read about Mom not
learning
>to type and all. I JUST don't quite buy that Laura is all innocent and
good
>and has been trying to make OK with Mom all these years.
>
>Someone else suggested a similar thing... but... you are amazingly
rich, you
>have a mother that is almost 80,...... maybe, even IF you don't talk to
one
>another.. .you make sure she is checked on.... someone looks in...
>
>I found her public, on the show, comment, sickening..... as if Mom
*chose*
>to die as she lived... alone and isolated.... ummmm MOM was MURDERED.
>Once again Dr. Laura comes across to me as a very creepy woman. I am
not
>surprised Luk likes her......
>
>PattyC
>
the lecture circuit and holds groups , Dr Pat Allen. She tells everyone
about her failed marriages, alcoholism, mistakes she made; before she
tries to tell anyone how to do it right
(she has a website)
TR
tiny dancer
<True Rea...@claque.net> wrote in message news:au3105$fd6$0...@pita.alt.net...
>
> tiny dancer wrote in message ...
> >
>
> >
> >Where are the nude photo's?
> >
> >td
> >
> I'm shocked you asked
Really.......why?? I will admit, I'm shocked at the pictures, thought they
would be more tame than they were! How the hell did Dr. Laura live these
down? Will admit, I don't keep up with her, can't stand the woman, but how
the hell did she live these suckers down and retain her show, miss goody
two-shoes.
td
>
> http://homepage.interaccess.com/~harryusa/comments/drnude2.html
>
>
>
>
>
Unknown
tiny dancer wrote in message ...
>
><True Rea...@claque.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> tiny dancer wrote in message ...
>> >
>>
>> >
>> >Where are the nude photo's?
>> >
>> >td
>> >
>> I'm shocked you asked
>
>
>Really.......why??
I was kidding
I will admit, I'm shocked at the pictures, thought they
>would be more tame than they were! How the hell did Dr. Laura live
these
>down? Will admit, I don't keep up with her, can't stand the woman, but
how
>the hell did she live these suckers down and retain her show, miss
goody
>two-shoes.
>
>td
At first she denied they were her. Then she had them removed and said
some blah, blah thing about youth and mistakes. Guess she should make
that 11 things women do to mess up their lives.
She's a good spin-control persona. Hides the trugh about her life while
declaring she is her kid's mom, etc. She held down three jobs and a
knitting business when Deryk was
born and continued in those jobs
TR
>
>>
>> http://homepage.interaccess.com/~harryusa/comments/drnude2.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Wild Monkshood
tiny dancer wrote:
> <True Rea...@claque.net> wrote in message news:au3105$fd6$0...@pita.alt.net...
> >
> > tiny dancer wrote in message ...
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >Where are the nude photo's?
> > >
> > >td
> > >
> > I'm shocked you asked
>
> Really.......why?? I will admit, I'm shocked at the pictures, thought they
> would be more tame than they were! How the hell did Dr. Laura live these
> down? Will admit, I don't keep up with her, can't stand the woman, but how
> the hell did she live these suckers down and retain her show, miss goody
> two-shoes.
Actually, as far as nude pictures go, these were pretty tame. It's not like
she was swingin' from the chandelier or going to the zoo and spreading a
follicular challenged beaver.
Wild Monkshood
>
>
> td
>
> >
> > http://homepage.interaccess.com/~harryusa/comments/drnude2.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
Unknown
Wild Monkshood wrote in message <3E050DF6...@bellsouth.net>...
>
>
>tiny dancer wrote:
>
>> <True Rea...@claque.net> wrote in message
news:au3105$fd6$0...@pita.alt.net...
>> >
>> > tiny dancer wrote in message ...
>> > >
>> >
>> > >
>> > >Where are the nude photo's?
>> > >
>> > >td
>> > >
>> > I'm shocked you asked
>>
>> Really.......why?? I will admit, I'm shocked at the pictures,
thought they
>> would be more tame than they were! How the hell did Dr. Laura live
these
>> down? Will admit, I don't keep up with her, can't stand the woman,
but how
>> the hell did she live these suckers down and retain her show, miss
goody
>> two-shoes.
>
> Actually, as far as nude pictures go, these were pretty tame. It's
not like
>she was swingin' from the chandelier or going to the zoo and spreading
a
>follicular challenged beaver.
>
>Wild Monkshood
>
>>
>> td
>>
>> >
>> > http://homepage.interaccess.com/~harryusa/comments/drnude2.html
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
Wild Monkshood
"True Reality"@claque.net wrote:
Yes. Still pretty tame, with the exception of the one where she's lying
on the floor. Looks like the "before" photo in an ad for Bikini Waxes.
Unknown
Wild Monkshood wrote:
> Yes. Still pretty tame, with the exception of the one where she's
lying
>on the floor. Looks like the "before" photo in an ad for Bikini Waxes.
>
>Wild Monkshood
Really, can you show us those ads that feature such *before* photos??
TR
Wild Monkshood
"True Reality"@claque.net wrote:
Literary License. However, knowing the Internet, I have no doubt that I
could come up with something were I so inclined.
Wild Monkshood
>
>
> TR
Bo Raxo
"Wild Monkshood" <wild_mo...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:3E0516D7...@bellsouth.net...
They are pretty tame. Compare them to Vanessa Williams' (former Miss
America) photos, for example, which have all that bondage stuff.
Of course, another major difference is that Vanessa Williams is/was
attractive.
DedNdogYrs
and an interesting FAQ and time-line from a newsgroup.
faq.html>
I didn't see any photos here.
Dogs & children first.
Unknown
Bo Raxo wrote in message ...
>
>">They are pretty tame. Compare them to Vanessa Williams' (former Miss
>America) photos, for example, which have all that bondage stuff.
>
>Of course, another major difference is that Vanessa Williams is/was
>attractive.
>
>
moral conscience, as Dr Laura has self-appointed herself. Her doctorate
isn't even in mental health, but physiology. She shouldn't call herself
Dr, it is misleading. She has omitted her past foibles to the public,
but as I have posted before radio talk hosts are neither doctors or
journalists.....it's sheer entertainment, to all but her nibs.
TR
www.claque.net
Memberships available
tiny dancer
<True Rea...@claque.net> wrote in message news:au32ku$jbd$0...@pita.alt.net...
>
> tiny dancer wrote in message ...
> >
> ><True Rea...@claque.net> wrote in message
> news:au3105$fd6$0...@pita.alt.net...
> >>
> >> tiny dancer wrote in message ...
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Where are the nude photo's?
> >> >
> >> >td
> >> >
> >> I'm shocked you asked
> >
> >
> >Really.......why??
>
> I was kidding
Oh, okay <g> naivete was showing again. ;-)
>
>
> I will admit, I'm shocked at the pictures, thought they
> >would be more tame than they were! How the hell did Dr. Laura live
> these
> >down? Will admit, I don't keep up with her, can't stand the woman, but
> how
> >the hell did she live these suckers down and retain her show, miss
> goody
> >two-shoes.
> >
> >td
>
> At first she denied they were her. Then she had them removed and said
> some blah, blah thing about youth and mistakes. Guess she should make
> that 11 things women do to mess up their lives.
> She's a good spin-control persona. Hides the trugh about her life while
> declaring she is her kid's mom, etc. She held down three jobs and a
> knitting business when Deryk was
> born and continued in those jobs
>
> TR
Thanks for the update, I have a friend who absolutely idolizes her, I can't
hardly stand to hear her refer to what 'Dr. Laura says', guess I just 'turn
off' everytime even the mention of her comes up. Man those were some
pictures though, personally I don't think I could show my face in public
again let alone 'give advice'........
td
> >
> >>
> >> http://homepage.interaccess.com/~harryusa/comments/drnude2.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
Unknown
Metal Recruit wrote in message ...
>In article <au3io0$q3q$0...@pita.alt.net>, <True Rea...@claque.net>
>wrote:
>
>> Well, another difference is Playboy models don't profess to be
America's
>> moral conscience, as Dr Laura has self-appointed herself. Her
doctorate
>> isn't even in mental health, but physiology. She shouldn't call
herself
>> Dr, it is misleading.
>
not
>have a last name of manner.
Very funny. Comparing Dear Abby or Ann Lander's advice on which way the
toilet paper roll should go or how much to tip the paper boy or Ms
Manners on wedding protocol is a far cry from *DR*, who is not a Dr of
any sort in psychology or any mental health field, who declares
homosexuals are a *biological error*. I do believe anyone who calls a
talk show for advice on a serious matter are as daft as she who gives
the advice
>
>Yet, they're all capable of giving advice to people who ask for
>it...just like Dr. Laura, who has earned the title Doctor.
She earned her doctorate in psysiology, not psychiatry, and therein lies
a danger to the nutz that call in/ She declares herself the moral
leader, yet her own life is far from *moral*. Her conversion to Juadism
could be just a fraud, as she is. She shacked up with Bill Ballence when
she was married to another man, she shacked up with Lew, he left his
wife and three children, she did not adopt, as she encourages other
infertile folks to do; she reversed her tubal and took fertility drugs,
she worked three jobs
for years after her son was born, and she has never lived in any way,
the morals she tells her callers to.
TR
www.claque.net
memberships available
>
>Metal Recruit
tiny dancer
>
>
> tiny dancer wrote:
>
> > <True Rea...@claque.net> wrote in message
news:au3105$fd6$0...@pita.alt.net...
> > >
> > > tiny dancer wrote in message ...
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Where are the nude photo's?
> > > >
> > > >td
> > > >
> > > I'm shocked you asked
> >
> > Really.......why?? I will admit, I'm shocked at the pictures, thought
they
> > would be more tame than they were! How the hell did Dr. Laura live
these
> > down? Will admit, I don't keep up with her, can't stand the woman, but
how
> > the hell did she live these suckers down and retain her show, miss goody
> > two-shoes.
>
> Actually, as far as nude pictures go, these were pretty tame. It's not
like
> she was swingin' from the chandelier or going to the zoo and spreading a
> follicular challenged beaver.
>
> Wild Monkshood
Well I know I've seen alot worse, but this is Dr. Laura for gods sake. I
meant it in that respect...........I mean it'd be like having goodies like
that of Hillary or something. Dr. Laura acts like her shit don't stink! I
can't wait to show 'em to dh, he'll get a real kick out of seeing her out of
that business suit. ;-)
td
>
> >
> >
> > td
> >
> > >
> > > http://homepage.interaccess.com/~harryusa/comments/drnude2.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
tiny dancer
<True Rea...@claque.net> wrote in message news:au333k$kcs$0...@pita.alt.net...
>
> Wild Monkshood wrote in message <3E050DF6...@bellsouth.net>...
> >
> >
> >tiny dancer wrote:
> >
> >> <True Rea...@claque.net> wrote in message
> news:au3105$fd6$0...@pita.alt.net...
> >> >
> >> > tiny dancer wrote in message ...
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >Where are the nude photo's?
> >> > >
> >> > >td
> >> > >
> >> > I'm shocked you asked
> >>
> >> Really.......why?? I will admit, I'm shocked at the pictures,
> thought they
> >> would be more tame than they were! How the hell did Dr. Laura live
> these
> >> down? Will admit, I don't keep up with her, can't stand the woman,
> but how
> >> the hell did she live these suckers down and retain her show, miss
> goody
> >> two-shoes.
> >
> > Actually, as far as nude pictures go, these were pretty tame. It's
> not like
> >she was swingin' from the chandelier or going to the zoo and spreading
> a
> >follicular challenged beaver.
> >
> >Wild Monkshood
> >
> >>Did you see the second page ?
Exactly! She had a couple a real doozies there. Good old Dr.
Laura.........hehehehehe
td
>
>
> >>
> >> td
> >>
> >> >
> >> > http://homepage.interaccess.com/~harryusa/comments/drnude2.html
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
>
>
tiny dancer
<True Rea...@claque.net> wrote in message news:au3l1u$v38$0...@pita.alt.net...
I'm with you TR............Dr. Laura is a big fraud.....
td
tiny dancer
"DedNdogYrs" <dednd...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021221231242...@mb-cr.aol.com...
http://homepage.interaccess.com/~harryusa/comments/drnude2.html
Hope I did this right, but the nude photo's are here. Be sure to check out
page 2..........
td
Unknown
tiny dancer wrote in message ...
>
>
>
can't
>hardly stand to hear her refer to what 'Dr. Laura says', guess I just
'turn
>off' everytime even the mention of her comes up. Man those were some
>pictures though, personally I don't think I could show my face in
public
>again let alone 'give advice'........
>
>td
I know how you feel, I have this secret desire that Deryk comes home one
day and tells her he's gay!!!!
TR
www.claque.net
Memberships available
>> >
>> >>
>> >> http://homepage.interaccess.com/~harryusa/comments/drnude2.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
Unknown
Metal Recruit wrote in message ...
>wrote:
>
>> Metal Recruit wrote in message ...
>> >In article <au3io0$q3q$0...@pita.alt.net>, <True Rea...@claque.net>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well, another difference is Playboy models don't profess to be
>> >> America's moral conscience, as Dr Laura has self-appointed
>> >> herself. Her doctorate isn't even in mental health, but
>> >> physiology. She shouldn't call herself Dr, it is misleading.
>> >
>> >Dear Abby isn't an Abby. Ann Landers isn't an Ann. Miss Manners does
>> >not have a last name of manner.
>>
>> Very funny. Comparing Dear Abby or Ann Lander's advice on which way
>> the toilet paper roll should go or how much to tip the paper boy or
>> Ms Manners on wedding protocol is a far cry from *DR*, who is not a
>> Dr of any sort in psychology or any mental health field,
>
in
>Marriage, Family and Child Counseling, Human Relations Center,
>University of Southern California, Los Angeles, and is a Licensed
>Marriage, Family and Child Counselor (MFCC), California, formerly in
>private practice for 12 years.
>
>I'd say those are solid credentials for dispensing advice on a radio
>show.
>
>
>> who
>> declares homosexuals are a *biological error*. I do believe anyone
>> who calls a talk show for advice on a serious matter are as daft as
>> she who gives the advice
>
>thinks someone has a mental problem, rather than just a problem, she
>tells them to go get professional help.
>
>Abby and Ann used to say similar things about homosexuals.
>
>Look, if you're going to go by the name True Reality, try to live up to
>it.
>
>Metal Recruit
Dr Laura does not just give advice, her entire hoopla is around *moral
dilemnas*. I believe she is ill equipped, given her rather loose
backround, to dispense any moral
judgements. She is far from qualified. She has no morals of her own,
given her shacking up history. Ann and Abby were extremely cautious
about their answers and they never said a homosexual was a *biological
error*, in fact
they were rather supportive of gays.
and this is
True Reality
tiny dancer
<True Rea...@claque.net> wrote in message news:au3lp0$1ad$0...@pita.alt.net...
>
> tiny dancer wrote in message ...
> >
> >
> >
> >Thanks for the update, I have a friend who absolutely idolizes her, I
> can't
> >hardly stand to hear her refer to what 'Dr. Laura says', guess I just
> 'turn
> >off' everytime even the mention of her comes up. Man those were some
> >pictures though, personally I don't think I could show my face in
> public
> >again let alone 'give advice'........
> >
> >td
>
>
> I know how you feel, I have this secret desire that Deryk comes home one
> day and tells her he's gay!!!!
hehehehehe......that would be a doozy wouldn't it! Didn't that happen with
Anita Bryant?? I have a vague memory of something like that??/
td
Unknown
...
>
>Metal Recruit wrote in message ...
>
>>
>in
>>Marriage, Family and Child Counseling, Human Relations Center,
>>University of Southern California, Los Angeles, and is a Licensed
>>Marriage, Family and Child Counselor (MFCC), California, formerly in
>>private practice for 12 years.
POST Doctoral is misleading and erroneous. Her doctorate was in
psysiology, her dissertation was in rats
and insulin. Her certification is NOT post-doctorate. It is obtained
at a master's level. It is not associated with her title of Dr nor
related to her doctorate. Certification is just that, nothing to do with
anything post-doctoral. it is an unwarrented claim
of higher education and authority
True reality
Unknown
Metal Recruit wrote in message ...
>wrote:
>
>> Dr Laura does not just give advice, her entire hoopla is around
*moral
>
>Okay. Then why do you make a big deal about her not being a doctor?
You are mis-informed. She is entitled to the title of Dr...
of psysiology. She is just not a Dr of any sort in the mental health
field. Her POST doctural certification is an unwarrented claim of
authority. Her doctorate was in psysiology, her dissertation was on
rats and insulin.
Her CERTIFICATION as a counselor is obtained at a Master's level,
therefor it is misleading to claim it is post doctural certification.
One has nothing to do with the other.
>
>> I believe she is ill equipped, given her rather loose
>> backround, to dispense any moral
>> judgements. She is far from qualified.
>
>She's qualified if the listeners or the people asking advice think
she's
>qualified.
Bawhahaha, so then do you think Jerry Springer is too?
Folks who are stupid enough to believe she is qualified to answer moral
dilemmas, haven't heard her declare, " I do not give advice, I preach,
I teach, I nag"
>
>Is a Catholic priest qualified to make moral judgements?
Has nothing to do with Dr Laura's radio show of dispensing moral
majority
>
>> She has no morals of her own, given her shacking up history.
>
>This is so stupid. Why bother even saying something like this.
Because it is true, she did not lead a moral life. How can she sit in
judgement of others.
>
>> Ann and Abby were extremely cautious about their answers and they
>> never said a homosexual was a *biological error*, in fact they were
>> rather supportive of gays.
>
>You are hugely uninformed.
>
>Check this out:
>
><http://www.expmagazine.com/122/varnell.htm>
>
>After your visit with true reality, come back to the newsgroup.
Ann and Abby started out many, many years ago, in a different time and
generation, both learned lots, grew with the times and changed their
opinions. However, it , like Dr Laura, it's entertainment. Do you
really think anyone reads it and says, I must do what Ann and Abby say
and change my life
>
>> and this is
>>
>> True Reality
>
>You're an idiot.
You are stupid and uninformed. Make sure you call Dr Laura this week and
FOLLOW her moral directions, you
insipid fool
True Reality
>
>Metal Recruit
Unknown
Metal Recruit wrote in message ...
>wrote:
>
>Admit you're wrong.
>
>You challenged her credentials to do a talk show advice program, and
you
>got your lunch handed to you.
>
>Sit down and eat your crow graciously.
>
>
>Metal Recruit
She has no credentials to dispense moral judgements on a radio show.
Radio is pure entertainment, not therapy, not dispensing ultimate
judgements in two minutes.
And her own unmoral life makes it even more unlikely that anyone who
had half a brain would ever take it seriously,
'cept you. Now do go call her.
And I don't see my lunch handed to me by you at all. You are
mis-informed and quite ignorant.
TR
tiny dancer
<True Rea...@claque.net> wrote in message news:au3p0c$c2h$0...@pita.alt.net...
I thought I'd heard somewhere that Ann and Abby had psychologists or some
sort of trained professionals on their staff to assist with the more
involved letters?
td
Every9man
>From: "PattyC" patty...@attbi.com
>I'm sorry if it sound mean, but I am fascinated by this one! Dr. Laura
>is
>on my most yucky list, and here she is in the most bizarre circumstance...
>I know enough, and am interested enough, to have read about Mom not learning
>to type and all. I JUST don't quite buy that Laura is all innocent and
>good
>and has been trying to make OK with Mom all these years.
>
>Someone else suggested a similar thing... but... you are amazingly rich,
>you
>have a mother that is almost 80,...... maybe, even IF you don't talk to
>one
>another.. .you make sure she is checked on.... someone looks in...
For what it's worth, some people wont tolerate being looked in on.
Self isolating may be a sign of deep depression . I cant imagine anyone wanting
to put up with any company when they feel that badly.
When I get that depressed I wont even answer the phone.
B
>I found her public, on the show, comment, sickening..... as if Mom *chose*
>to die as she lived... alone and isolated.... ummmm MOM was MURDERED.
>Once again Dr. Laura comes across to me as a very creepy woman. I am not
>surprised Luk likes her......
>
>PattyC
>
DedNdogYrs
<Hope I did this right, but the nude photo's are here. Be sure to check out
page 2..........>
I found them.
Dogs & children first.
goldenm...@yahoo.com
From the sound of the family background,
it's possible the sister is also exstranged
from the mess. I would be...
GM
tiny dancer
"Every9man" <ever...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021222050500...@mb-mq.aol.com...
>
> >From: "PattyC" patty...@attbi.com
>
> >I'm sorry if it sound mean, but I am fascinated by this one! Dr. Laura
> >is
> >on my most yucky list, and here she is in the most bizarre
circumstance...
> >I know enough, and am interested enough, to have read about Mom not
learning
> >to type and all. I JUST don't quite buy that Laura is all innocent and
> >good
> >and has been trying to make OK with Mom all these years.
> >
> >Someone else suggested a similar thing... but... you are amazingly rich,
> >you
> >have a mother that is almost 80,...... maybe, even IF you don't talk to
> >one
> >another.. .you make sure she is checked on.... someone looks in...
>
> For what it's worth, some people wont tolerate being looked in on.
> Self isolating may be a sign of deep depression . I cant imagine anyone
wanting
> to put up with any company when they feel that badly.
>
> When I get that depressed I wont even answer the phone.
>
> B
That's true, but my kids always find a way to check on me, make sure I'm
okay.
td
goldenm...@yahoo.com
> in her apartment for months:
> http://www.drudgereport.com/laura.htm
The articles don't make much sense.
Was she talkative? Or, a recluse?
If she was talkative, how did the
people with whom she spoke NOT notice
she was missing? Were they involved?
Regarding the length of time, mail piled up?
Unpaid rent (it was an apt)? They know a lot
they are NOT releasing... I actually believe
they have some suspects... If not, Laura will
hire the detectives for sure. It sounds like
Laura had a pretty rough time as a kid. I
have some sympathy for her brewing up... Regarding
these "religious" people who support her show, no
believer in Christ doesn't have his or her skin
crawl on the subject of Jesus and Laura.
It makes me SICK when she goes there...
GM
Luk
"goldenm...@yahoo.com" wrote:
> If not, Laura will
> hire the detectives for sure. It sounds like
> Laura had a pretty rough time as a kid. I
> have some sympathy for her brewing up... Regarding
> these "religious" people who support her show, no
> believer in Christ doesn't have his or her skin
> crawl on the subject of Jesus and Laura.
>
> It makes me SICK when she goes there...
Hi -
I'm perplexed at your last two sentences.
Laura is Jewish and certainly supports
her faith. I've never heard her bash
Jesus or Christians. She just seems to
speak favorably of religion. Maybe I
missed something.
Luk
Patty
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/lauramom1.html
According to Lt. Gary Gilmond, Beverly Hills cops are investigating
Schlessinger's death as a homicide. On Wednesday, cops spoke with
Laura Schlessinger, but the radio star has not identified her mother's
body, nor does she plan to, said Keven Bellows, a Schlessinger
spokesperson.
crosem
<True Rea...@claque.net> wrote in message news:au3l1u$v38$0...@pita.alt.net...
crosem
with secrets in her past which she would prefer remain hidden....as they
could negatively impact her income and status....hmmmm....
"Patty" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Unknown
Metal Recruit wrote in message ...
>
>
>judgements on a radio show?
I don't think a radio show should dispense advice or moral
judgement...at all
>
>> Radio is pure entertainment, not therapy, not dispensing ultimate
>> judgements in two minutes.
>
>Exactly. Dr. Laura would agree with you.
I doubt it, she takes herself seriously
>
.
>
>> And her own unmoral life makes it even
>> more unlikely that anyone who had half a brain would ever take it
>> seriously, 'cept you.
>
>I don't take her show seriously. Where'd you get that idea?
Good to hear you feel is is silly nonsense
>
>> Now do go call her.
>> And I don't see my lunch handed to me by you at all. You are
>> mis-informed and quite ignorant.
>
>You are such a giggle.
I'm happy you are entertained
True Reality
>
>Metal Recruit
Unknown
Metal Recruit wrote in message ...
> TR wrote:
>> Bawhahaha, so then do you think Jerry Springer is too?
>
>Of course he his, you hyena.
Ok end of conversation with someone who thinks JS
is a qualified to give advice!!!!!!!!!!!!
True Reality
www.claque.net
memberships available
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<goldenm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > The body remained undiscovered
> > in her apartment for months:
>
> > http://www.drudgereport.com/laura.htm
>
> The articles don't make much sense.
> Was she talkative? Or, a recluse?
Well, I think a recluse, obviously.
> If she was talkative, how did the
> people with whom she spoke NOT notice
> she was missing? Were they involved?
>
> Regarding the length of time, mail piled up?
> Unpaid rent (it was an apt)?
It was a condo. The association fees went unpaid.
They know a lot
> they are NOT releasing... I actually believe
> they have some suspects...
Based on what? Tea leaves?
If not, Laura will
> hire the detectives for sure.
Why? She didn't care about the old woman when she was alive, why bother
now?
Let the cops handle it. They have all kinds of things (subpeona powers,
forensic labs, obstruction of justice statutes) that private detectives
aren't equipped with.
goldenm...@yahoo.com
The Bible puts it this way:
Jesus is the Jews stumbling block.
He came unto His own and they
received him not.
GM
Hell Toupee
> According to her website, Dr. Laura has a Post-Doctoral Certification in
> Marriage, Family and Child Counseling, Human Relations Center,
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, and is a Licensed
> Marriage, Family and Child Counselor (MFCC), California, formerly in
> private practice for 12 years.
>
> show.
No one in the legal or psychological profession agrees with you.
From TJ, a poster to the alt.radio.talk.dr-laura newsgroup and a
lawyer
practicing in the state of California, with experience representing
clients in the psychological professions:
Under the California Business and Profession Code, an MFCC
(Marriage, Family, and Child Counselor) is defined as a
licensed person who performs services with individuals,
couples, or groups wherein interpersonal relationships
are examined for the purpose of achieving more adequate,
satisfying, and productive marriage and family adjustments.
This practice includes relationship and premarriage counseling.
As of 1999, an MFCC is now called an MFT - 'Marriage and
Family Therapist'.
MFCCs/MFTs are not authorized to diagnose and treat mental
illnesses. They are not qualified to perform independent
mental examinations in litigation. They do not have admitting
privileges in mental hospitals. They may advertise themselves
as 'therapists', but 'psychotherapist' is still restricted to
physicians and psychologists. They do not practice psychotherapy.
DL obtained her MFCC license by meeting the requirements in
place at that time (1975-1980). She took the coursework and
2000 hours of supervised training necessary to qualify her
to sit for the exam. Upon completing the requirements and
passing the licensing examination, she received her MFCC
license in 1980 and began a private practice.
An MFCC license is just that; a license, not a degree. DL did
not earn any type of degree from USC. DL uses the phrase
'post-doctoral certification' to describe her MFCC (see
item 4. in this FAQ.) It is possible she is using the word
'certification' to describe the required paperwork which
which verifies to the licensing board that her coursework
and training met the requirements to enable one to sit
for the licensing exam.
The California Board of Medical Quality Assurance has
jurisdiction over M.D.'s and psychologists while MFCC's
are under the Board of Behavioral Science Examiners,
which is a division of the Dept of Consumer Affairs.
An MFCC license is distinct from any psychology license.
Currently (2000) DL's MFCC license status is 'inactive'.
Active licensees must take to take continuing professional
education. Inactive licensees do not, but if they wish to
ever reactivate their licenses, they must first satisfy
the continuing education requirement.
Therefore, the only sense in which DL is licensed is that
should she wish to return to an active MFCC practice, she
would not have to commence the application process anew
(complete with licensing exam), but could do so simply
by completing all the continuing education hours that
she would have had to fulfill during the time her license
was inactive, and paying the dues for active members.
Until the continuing education requirements are met, she
would lack the requisite training to practice.
****
So, is DL a licensed psychotherapist?
No.
From the California Business and Professions Code
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=
bpc&group=02001-03000&file=2900-2918
2901. This chapter shall be known and may be cited
as the "Psychology Licensing Law."
2902. As used in this chapter, unless the context clearly requires
otherwise and except as in this chapter expressly otherwise
provided:
(a) "Licensed psychologist" means an individual to whom a license
has been issued pursuant to the provisions of this chapter, which
license is in force and has not been suspended or revoked.
(b) "Board" means the Board of Psychology.
(c) A person represents himself or herself to be a psychologist
when the person holds himself or herself out to the public by any
title or description of services incorporating the words
"psychology,"
"psychological," "psychologist," "psychology consultation,"
"psychology consultant," "psychometry," "psychometrics" or
"psychometrist," "psychotherapy," "psychotherapist,"
"psychoanalysis,"
or "psychoanalyst," or when the person holds himself or herself out
to be trained, experienced, or an expert in the field of psychology.
2903. No person may engage in the practice of psychology, or
represent himself to be a psychologist, without a license granted
under this chapter, except as otherwise provided in this chapter.
The Board of Behavioral Science's advertising policy and
guidelines states:
Marriage and Family Therapists, Licensed Clinical Social Workers
and Registrants and Associates MAY NOT ADVERTISE AS PSYCHOLOGISTS
OR AS PROVIDERS OF PSYCHOLOGICAL SERVICES UNLESS THEY ALSO HOLD A
PSYCHOLOGY LICENSE. (Emphasis theirs)
http://www.bbs.ca.gov/gen-5.htm
>Dr. Laura gives ADVICE. She does not diagnose anyone on the air.
She has repeatedly claimed to be a licensed psychotherapist on her
show, clearly intending to add an aura of authority to her
pronouncements:
From her radio show:
April 13, 1998 1:08:43 "See, psychology has its
place and I am licensed there."
April 15, 1998 0:08:09 "I am a licensed psychotherapist."
June 17, 1998 0:15:47 "When I put my shrink hat on..."
0:47:35 "...I'm one of the few licensed professionals.."
June 18, 1998 0:35:50 "Your fiancee went to a licensed
psychotherapist. I am that too!"
July 3, 1998 1:14:23 "...if the shrink in me would come
to the fore..."
August 5, 1998 2:04:19 ""I'm a licensed psychotherapist."
August 19, 1998 2:44:28 "...and I'm a licensed psychotherapist."
September 1, 1998 0:14:57 "Any therapist who would say
that sounds to me a little bent. That's my opinion and
I'm a licensed psychotherapist."
September 2, 1998 0:33:35 "licensed psychotherapist"
October 20, 1998 0:03:19 "...as a licensed psychotherapist
...I would tell my client...that would be my professional opinion."
October 27, 1998 0:27:40 "I'm gonna put on my shrink hat for a
moment."
November 12, 1998 1:33:57 "I am a licensed psychotherapist.
I'm not in practice."
December 1, 1998 0:41:27 "I'm sitting here as a psychotherapist
saying..."
December 18, 1998 0:41:40 "I am a licensed psychotherapist."
January 12, 1999 0:04:18 "I am a licensed psychotherapist.
I'm not in practice anymore."
February 1, 1999 0:30:30 "I am a licensed psychotherapist."
February 5, 1999 0:13:07 "I am a licensed psychotherapist."
February 9, 1999 0:21:24 "This is the shrink hat going back on";
1:04:35 "I don't know. Junior grade shrink here."
February 17, 1999 027:50 Calls psychotherapy one of her professions.
February 19, 1999 0:03:30 When discussing an ADHD diagnosis,
"I'm not your therapist. I have not seen your kid."
February 23, 1999 0:20:24 "I mean, I'm a licensed psychotherapist,
but there are things, I say, you don't go to a shrink for.";
1:29:28 "Now this is the important part that I've been trying
to make a distinction on this (sic) air, and I am a licensed
psychotherapist.
Okay?...You go to psychotherapy and our job
is to make you feel better.";
March 1, 1999 2:18:56 "I'm a licensed therapist."
2:21:00 "You and I, as licensed psychotherapists, have a
job to do." [DL thought the caller was a therapist because
the caller mentioned volunteering to counsel a girl. The
caller interrupted to point out that she was not a
psychotherapist; she was pursuing a degree in education.]
2:21:33 "I don't think you should volunteer to do counseling
if you're not credentialed."
April 26, 1999 1:22:07 LS, "That's what I'm trying to tell
you, as a shrink dash mother."
April 28, 1999 (First monologue) LS, "And yes I have a
license as a psychotherapist; I can use the word paranoia
with some professional foundation behind it."
May 14, 1999 0:07:52 "But I'm talking to you mother to
mother and somebody who is licensed as a psychotherapist";
0:28:22 "I've seen this before when I was in private
practice"; 1:32:08 "The therapist in me is talking now";
1:48:00 "As a psychotherapist..."; 2:21:21 "I can't
diagnose him on the phone here."
May 19, 1999 0:47:21 Ann. LS, "Why do you talk softly?"
LS, "If I were to put on my therapist hat and we were
in my office." [Goes on to diagnose the caller's softspoken
manner as indicating that she lacks the courage to state
her opinions.]
May 24, 1999 1:05:11 LS, (after the caller explained what
the psychologist said about her son) "I don't agree with
that and I'm a licensed psychotherapist."
May 31, 1999 0:04:23 "I'm a trained, licensed
psychotherapist."
June 3, 1999 [Rerun on November 3, 1999, second hour]
0:15:41 C says she is a psychotherapist also. Works one
or two days a week. Clients also have kids which attend
her daughters day care. LS, "I'm a licensed psychotherapist
and the anger that I have ... " LS, "I therapize people
a lot older then me ... "; 0:42:06 LS, "I'm not a child
psychologist, but I appreciate the compliment anyways."
July 14, 1999, second monologue "I am a licensed
psychotherapist."
July 16, 1999 1:31:42 Jeff. LS, "See the problem I have
standing back here as a therapist. Putting on my therapist
hat now."
August 12, 1999 First monologue: DL, "... this is a
radio show, not a counseling office. I am a licensed
psychotherapist ... "
A selection of quotes from a variety of other sources:
Well, I'm very clear on my books and when anybody
asks me, you know, to give any information about
that, the Ph.D. is in physiology. I have a medical
science background. I have a post-doctoral certification
marriage/family. That's where the psychology comes in.
(Dr. Laura Schlessinger on 'CNN Sunday Morning',
Nov. 24, 1996)
You can't use my career as a blueprint, because this
is bizarre. My life is bizarre. A woman talkin' tough?
And a shrink? Shrink shows have failed nationally. So,
you gonna put on another shrink show? That fails! You
gonna put on a woman, and she's not sounding so
maternal and sweetsy? Never. It's been the story of my
life. There's always a set of rules, and then there's
me. I like that."
-- Dr. Laura Schlessinger
http://view.womenswire.com/watch/schlessinger2.html
If anything, I am a philosopher," she says firmly.
"That I have training as a shrink is just one part of
what I bring to the fore. I have something unique to
offer, in terms of perspective, in terms of thinking
about ethics and morality and values.
(Dr. Laura Schlessinger, 'The Angriest Woman on the
Radio <and why we keep listening>', by Rebecca Mead,
Redbook, May 1997)
One is that there are certain expectations of a woman,
somebody who has a shrink license, somebody talking
about issues, and somebody in the '90s.
(Dr. Laura Schlessinger, 'The Moral Is the Message',
by Debra J. Saunders, San Francisco Chronicle,
Sept. 28, 1997)
Initially, there was some resistance when we started
three years ago syndicating the show. Female - no. A
female who's a shrink - no, that's always failed. Men
won't listen to her. Men are going to listen to sports
and politics. This won't fly. She's doing moral -
absolutely not. So, there was tremendous resistance
and now, there isn't.
(Dr. Laura Schlessinger, CNNFN 'Trading Places',
Nov. 3, 1997)
I wonder what the agenda of the person is when they do
that because they know darn well from the flaps of my
books that I have a post-doctoral certification in
marriage and family therapy from USC and I'm licensed
to do therapy in California. I don't have a Ph.D. in
psychology. So what? Neither does a psychiatrist.
(Dr. Laura Schlessinger, 'Dr. Laura Wants You to
Stop Whining', Psychology Today, Jan-Feb 1998)
LARRY KING: I figured that. Do people assume you're
a psychologist or psychiatrist?
SCHLESSINGER: Since this is not a mental health,
but a moral health show, it's not really relevant.
(CNN 'Larry King Live', April 22, 1998)
LARRY KING: Suppose he asked you as -- you're not a
psychiatrist, but if he asked you?
SCHLESSINGER: I am a psychotherapist.
(CNN 'Larry King Live', Sept. 16, 1998)
LARRY KING: OK, how do you react to those who
criticize the fact that you are not -- I got to tell
you this: I'm driving along in the car today and I
hear a promo for Dr. Toni Grant, the psychologist who,
I guess, started all this. She's back on the air.
And the promo's aimed right at you -- never mentions
your name, but it says, "Dr. Tony Grant: try her.
She's a psychologist -- a real psychologist. When she
gives you advice it comes from training." That's the
whole promo; I'm not kidding, so I'm saying, "I think
they're talking about Laura."
SCHLESSINGER: It's very misleading, because I'm a
licensed psychotherapist. That's...
KING: OK, psychotherapist means -- what is a
psychotherapist?
SCHLESSINGER: Well, a marriage and family therapist
license or a licensed clinical social worker -- anybody
who does psychotherapy can use that title; a psychologist
does psychotherapy and is a psychotherapist. A psychologist
is somebody who has a Ph.D in psychology.
(CNN 'Larry King Live', 3/3/99)
Dr. Laura has a history of trying to have it both ways: to imply
she's got a professional background to legitimize her on-air show,
while
simultaneouly insisting she's only offering 'advice', because
otherwise
she'd fall under the jurisdiction of the California Board of
Behavioral Sciences, which would then be empowered to take action
against her.
Dr. Hell Toupee
DedNdogYrs
His own and they
received him not.>
Everybody thinks they have the "one true religion." You think you have it and
Dr. Laura thinks hers is it. Neither one of you can prove it, so you have a
right to believe what you want and she has a right to believe what she wants.
Dogs & children first.
goldenm...@yahoo.com
The difference is... I do.
I can prove it, too. I don't like
her giving influence in rejecting
Christ. I have been blessed through
the Jewish people. Jesus was Jewish.
GM
DedNdogYrs
unto His own and they received him not.>>>
<< Everybody thinks they have the "one true religion." You think you have it
and Dr. Laura thinks hers is it. Neither one of you can prove it, so you have a
right to believe what you want and she has a right to believe what she wants.>>
<The difference is... I do. I can prove it, too. I don't like her giving
influence in rejecting Christ.>
O.K. Let's see your proof. BTW, I have never heard her downgrade anybody's
else's religion. Or perhaps you think she should proselytize yours. It's not a
Christian radio show. It's a relationships show that sometimes advocates
having a religion.
Dogs & children first.
MV
>She earned her doctorate in psysiology, not psychiatry, and therein lies
>a danger to the nutz that call in/ She declares herself the moral
>leader, yet her own life is far from *moral*. Her conversion to Juadism
>could be just a fraud, as she is. She shacked up with Bill Ballence when
>she was married to another man, she shacked up with Lew, he left his
>wife and three children, she did not adopt, as she encourages other
>infertile folks to do; she reversed her tubal and took fertility drugs,
not only is she a hypcrite, but she's a manipulative backstabber, as
well.
>she worked three jobs for years after her son was born, and she
What? She tells people not to work overtime or something?
Wild.
MV
>POST Doctoral is misleading and erroneous. Her doctorate was in
>psysiology, her dissertation was in rats
Now that explains everything. :-)
MV
>She has no credentials to dispense moral judgements on a radio show.
>Radio is pure entertainment, not therapy, not dispensing ultimate
>judgements in two minutes.
>And her own unmoral life makes it even more unlikely that anyone who
>had half a brain would ever take it seriously,
>'cept you. Now do go call her.
> And I don't see my lunch handed to me by you at all. You are
>mis-informed and quite ignorant.
>TR
She's an opportunist. She dispenses what sells. Period. If she hadn't
made it as Miss Righteous, she'd have a call-in show about how to ...
oh, I don't know... market naked pictures or something. It isn't about
morality. It's about celebrity and the bottom line, money.
MV
>She had a tubal reversed and it took her several years
>(with fertility drugs) to get pregnant at age 38. She was shacking up
>with Lew who left his wife and three kids for her. She was unmarried
>when she became pregnant and he was of a different religion. All the
>things she tells callers not to do, and she also tells callers to adopt
>over fertility tx
>TR
And it wouldn't be our business to criticize her were it not for the
fact that she makes it her business to criticize everyone else.
MV
(goldenm...@yahoo.com) wrote:
>The articles don't make much sense.
>Was she talkative? Or, a recluse?
>If she was talkative, how did the
>people with whom she spoke NOT notice
>she was missing? Were they involved?
Noticing that she was missing is one thing. Calling the police to
report a suspicious absence is another. I live in a condo myself, and
there are neighbors I get along with quite well, but don't socialize
with. If I didn't see them for a couple of months, I wouldn't go to
the police about it.
Let's face it. Unless we have reason to think something REALLY is
wrong, most of us won't take such extreme steps. If we did, the police
would be tracking everybody who spends a week in Las Vegas and planned
to wait until after to tell the neighbors.