Hans Reiser Offers To Lead Cops to Nina's Body
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Hans Reiser Offers To Lead Cops to Nina's Body
By David Kravets EmailJune 06, 2008 | 5:31:27 PMCategories: Hans Reiser Trial
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Hans Reiser, the Linux programmer facing a mandatory 25-to life term for
killing his wife, might disclose the location of Nina Reiser's body in
exchange for a reduced term, Alameda County District Attorney Thomas Orloff
told Threat Level on Friday.
"There's been some overtures," he said. "But everything is in its preliminary
stage."
Another source familiar with the proposal, speaking on condition of anonymity
because no deal has been struck, said Reiser, the prosecution and Alameda
County Superior Court Judge Larry Goodman would have to sign off on the
proposed deal. Under the plan, Reiser's cooperation could reduce his April
conviction from first-degree murder to second degree. A second-degree
conviction in California carries a mandatory 15-to-life sentence.
"The only real leverage he has is if he can provide a body," the source said.
"He really doesn't have any options left. Even if he won a retrial somehow,
he'd likely be convicted."
Reiser, 44, was convicted by an Alameda County Superior Court jury of killing
his wife, who was last seen at his Oakland hills house on Sept. 3, 2006. She
dropped off the divorcing couple's two kids to stay with their father for part
of the Labor Day weekend.
During his 11 appearances on the witness stand, the defendant claimed his
31-year-old wife abandoned the estranged couple's two young children and moved
back to Russia.
The couple met there in 1998, when he was overseas hiring programmers for his
Namesys software company that produced the ReiserFS filesystem. He testified
that, before she vanished, he accused her of bilking the company out of tens
of thousands of dollars.
The deal, as it stands in its early stages, would be off if an autopsy of the
body somehow demonstrated that it was first-degree, premeditated murder with,
for example, "two bullet holes to the back of the head."
The source also cautioned that it remains to be seen whether Reiser would
follow through with the proposal.
Reiser remains jailed without bail. His sentencing is scheduled for July 9.
"There are ongoing discussions," the source said.
Reiser stands a greater chance of seeing the light of day under a
second-degree conviction. He would be eligible for parole in 15 years and
would stand a better chance at receiving it if he disclosed a body.
Under California law, the governor possesses the power to veto a parole
board's decision. Denying culpability is a strong mark against winning parole.
Before trial began in November, Reiser declined a deal with prosecutors in
which he would have received an 11-year term in exchange to pleading guilty to
manslaughter and disclosing the location of Nina Reiser's body.
On a side note, for Reiser to disclose the body might bring some element of
closure to his two children, a boy now 8 and a girl 6. They live with Nina's
parents in St. Petersburg, Russia.
The boy, in letters to his father last year, asked his dad why he "hid" his
mother.
tiny dancer
<m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:g2h4q...@news3.newsguy.com...
Thanks for finding this. I'd heard there were talks in the works, it was
mentioned at the end of a program I saw last week on this case.
td
Hadron
Interestingly certain COLA "advocates" have assured us he is not
guilty. Only in COLA.
yD
Interesting that he gets a lesser charge and lesser sentence for
giving up the body plus a better chance of parole. I suppose that
makes sense to somebody somewhere.
yD
7
Wits from Micoshaft Corporation:
> h
Micoshaft Corporation's Blammer has threatened to kill Eric Schmidt.
Disturbingly, he has claimed he's done it before and he'll do it again.
Has anyone arrested Blammer to discover where the bodies are?
High Plains Thumper
> "tiny dancer" writes:
>> m...@privacy.net wrote...
>>
>>> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/hans-reiser-off.html
>>>
>>> Hans Reiser Offers To Lead Cops to Nina's Body By David
>>
>> Thanks for finding this. I'd heard there were talks in the
>> works, it was mentioned at the end of a program I saw last
>> week on this case.
>
> Interestingly certain COLA "advocates" have assured us he is
> not guilty. Only in COLA.
That is a considerably ignorant statement.
One is best off by ignoring this troll, earning his disgusting keep
(facetiously) as "Usenet etiquette provocateur", "true Linux
advocate", "Debian distro governor", "kernel hacker", "emacs user",
"swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server
admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware
maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS culling committee
chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian
O'Leary.
Following are examples of his trolling:
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/hadron-quark-troll.html
Hadron claims he is an advocate but behaves most contrary to that,
denigrating advocates. Most recent demonstration of his trolling
accused a poster with language difficulties, inferring 3rd world
inferiority mentality:
[quote]
Hadron wrote:
> I assume from your inability to
> understand the simplest of threads
> that your first language is not
> English. And for that, I apologise
> unreservedly for pointing out the
> holes in your vapid posts.
Oh, so now we've gone from idiot to racist, excellent advocacy,
eh Hadron?
[quote]
Hadron posts racist remark:
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: In 5 years we'll see a Linux nut running naked in Munich
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:46:35 +0200
Message-ID: ftmqfd$m10$3...@registered.motzarella.org
"Mr Chen? Is that HPT? He's a bit chinky isn't he?"
[quote]
Subject: Re: Microsoft's Secret Sauce for 'Success'
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:32:35 +0900
Message-ID: pan.2007.07.19....@gREMTHISmail.com
> Hadron wrote:
>> No it isn't. Linux is freely
>> available for download. The problem
>> is that for too long Linux was crap
>> and simply not ready for the prime
>> time desktop. It is now. But it's
>> missed the boat. And people like you
>> whining all the time about MS isn't
>> going to change that. Grow a set of
>> balls and advocate LINUX and stop
>> whinging like schoolgirl about the
>> Market Leader.
Hadron uses a very common trolling technique. Rather than participate
in the discussion, attempts to deflect the issues by flinging
insulting retorts, such as homophobic name calling and referring to a
poster's expressions as "whines". In his insulting, extolls a
competing operating system by calling it a market leader. This
confirms he is here to troll.
He misrepresents the truth, showing that he truly is not an advocate,
referring to Linux as crap. Yet 10 years ago, Linux was a complete and
suitable desktop product. As you show in the following explanations
regarding Microsoft concerns expressed through the Halloween papers.
[/quote]
Enough said, FYI.
--
HPT
Bradley K. Sherman
yD <yaff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jun 8, 1:27 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/hans-reiser-off.html
>>
>
>giving up the body plus a better chance of parole. I suppose that
>makes sense to somebody somewhere.
The victim's family, strangely enough.
--bks
Rick
I have not seen anyone in COLA assuring anyone he is not guilty.
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Clogwog
news:lPV2k.5674$E41....@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> micoshaft fraudster and asstroturfer m...@privacy.net wrote on behalf of
> Half
> Wits from Micoshaft Corporation:
>
>> h
>
>
>
> Micoshaft Corporation's Blammer has threatened to kill Eric Schmidt.
"Fucking Eric Schmidt is a fucking pussy. I'm going to fucking bury that
guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to fucking
kill *Google* ." ....
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/05/chair_chucking/
>
> Disturbingly, he has claimed he's done it before and he'll do it again.
>
> Has anyone arrested Blammer to discover where the bodies are?
Eric E. Schmidt is still alive, you braindead pillock!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_E._Schmidt
Thanks again Joseph Michael, you proved my point!
<"7", *King* *of* *All* *Retards* , the laughing stock of usenet!>
Now, run along, Josh!
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High Plains Thumper
> Hadron wrote:
>
>>>> On a side note, for Reiser to disclose the body might
>>>> bring some element of closure to his two children, a boy
>>>> now 8 and a girl 6. They live with Nina's parents in St.
>>>> Petersburg, Russia.
>>>>
>>>> The boy, in letters to his father last year, asked his
>>>> dad why he "hid" his mother.
<SNIP>
>> Interestingly certain COLA "advocates" have assured us he is
>> not guilty. Only in COLA.
>
> I have not seen anyone in COLA assuring anyone he is not
> guilty.
Oh, Hadron is performing another demonstration that he is here to
troll and flame bait.
I've used the Reiser disk format before, worked fine. Currently
am using Ext3 as it is more standardised. I don't know why
Hadron would associate some advocates using the Reiser disk
format as reflections of supporting a crime that was committed.
Details have been sketchy and it is best to let the issues be
resolved with the legal system.
Only issue Hadron has is with Linux advocacy.
--
HPT
Moshe Goldfarb.
Rick and Spamowitz must be devastated.
--
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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Hadron
Didn't Kelsey Petrocelli also bring up a good defence with lots of big
headed formatting and talking down? She usually does.
Bo Raxo
"Bradley K. Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:g2hb6m$88h$1...@reader2.panix.com...
Perhaps, but do you think the prosecutors actually rang up her parents to
ask them? They want to do this deal to foreclose any appeals or retrials.
Seems to me like a bad idea, I'm with yD on this one. Though no practical
difference (he'll never get parole), let the jury's verdict stand and send
him away. Let the body stay buried wherever he put it, maybe it'll get
found some day, maybe not.
Moshe Goldfarb.
I believe it was either Kelsey or kent.
Moshe Goldfarb.
It's known as closure for the victims family.
Obviously you have no clue.
Bradley K. Sherman
>>>On Jun 8, 1:27 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>>> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/hans-reiser-off.html
>>>
>>>Interesting that he gets a lesser charge and lesser sentence for
>>>giving up the body plus a better chance of parole. I suppose that
>>>makes sense to somebody somewhere.
>>
>> The victim's family, strangely enough.
>>
>Perhaps, but do you think the prosecutors actually rang up her parents to
>ask them?
No. Nor did I mean to imply that. Nonetheless, closure is not a
negligible concern for friends and family.
--bks
tiny dancer
"Bo Raxo" <crimene...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:P-udnQgDHbb1ptHV...@comcast.com...
I would assume her children might like to know where their mother is and
have a place to *visit* her. It's difficult enough to explain death to
children. I would imagine they are devastated enough knowing their father
killed their mother. The fact that he won't tell them where she is must
only hurt more. They are oblivious to any sort of deals, they simply want
to know where she is. From what I'd read on this case, it seemed it was
their mother who stood up for/protected them from lots of Reisers nuttiness.
td
alt
>> Interestingly certain COLA "advocates" have assured us he is not
>> guilty. Only in COLA.
>
> I have not seen anyone in COLA assuring anyone he is not guilty.
I do believe I have stated that he should be given the benefit of the
doubt, as is his right. If he did this crime, as it would seem, then he
should be punished as the law requires. This is no different than any
other crime or any other person.
If it was Linus or Ballmer that was accused of the same crime, I would
expect no different.
yD
> "Bradley K. Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote in messagenews:g2hb6m$88h$1...@reader2.panix.com...
>
> > In article
> > yD <yaffaD...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>On Jun 8, 1:27 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> >>>http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/hans-reiser-off.html
>
> >>Interesting that he gets a lesser charge and lesser sentence for
> >>giving up the body plus a better chance of parole. I suppose that
> >>makes sense to somebody somewhere.
>
> > The victim's family, strangely enough.
>
> Perhaps, but do you think the prosecutors actually rang up her parents to
> ask them? They want to do this deal to foreclose any appeals or retrials.
>
> Seems to me like a bad idea, I'm with yD on this one. Though no practical
> difference (he'll never get parole), let the jury's verdict stand and send
> him away. Let the body stay buried wherever he put it, maybe it'll get
> found some day, maybe not.
I can understand the parents not wanting their child to lie somewhere
unknown, it is the legal system that gives him time off for telling
where the body is that I don't like. with the Green River Killer, I
can understand because there are so many bodies lost. The idea that
Reiser could get parole, be on the streets, and, perhaps, murder
someone else that is unpleasant to me.
yD
Rick
Fuck you, you lying bitch.
--
Rick
Andrew Halliwell
>> Interestingly certain COLA "advocates" have assured us he is
>> not guilty. Only in COLA.
>
> That is a considerably ignorant statement.
You expect anything from an ignoramous like hadron?
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Hadron
> High Plains Thumper <highplai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Interestingly certain COLA "advocates" have assured us he is
>>> not guilty. Only in COLA.
>>
>> That is a considerably ignorant statement.
>
> You expect anything from an ignoramous like hadron?
Regarding a crime there are two states : guilty or not guilty. Certain
advocates stated quite clearly that without a body he can not be
guilty. This means they are assuring us he is not guilty. Now, degree
boy, yet again you show an inability to follow simple logic. Like
compiler design and implementation did they remove boolean theory from
your CS Degree course too in case it was too hard?
Michael Snyder
"Hadron" <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:g2h7uk$b70$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
> Interestingly certain COLA "advocates" have assured us he is not
> guilty. Only in COLA.
Everything here is 3rd party or un-attributed.
There is nothing here that would justify a claim
that Hans had, for instance, confessed to killing Nina,
since there is no statement here of any kind that can
be directly attributed to Hans.
Michael Snyder
> Andrew Halliwell <spi...@ponder.sky.com> writes:
>
> > High Plains Thumper <highplai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Interestingly certain COLA "advocates" have assured us he is
> >>> not guilty. Only in COLA.
> >>
> >> That is a considerably ignorant statement.
> >
> > You expect anything from an ignoramous like hadron?
>
> Regarding a crime there are two states : guilty or not guilty
Shroedinger's Cat. If no one observed the alleged
crime, then there is a state "neither guilty nor not guilty".
Bo Raxo
"tiny dancer" <tinyda...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:daX2k.1409$Nr....@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
Offer him some prison privileges. A prison closer to where his mother
lives, so she can visit. A move to a medium security instead of a max. A
better prison job. More books in his cell.
After a good six months in a maximum security prison, he'd be ready to make
a deal. But time off of his sentence? You want to reward him for doing
such a good job of hiding the body?
Nope, sorry, not here. I feel for those kids, but throw up a headstone or a
plaque in some cemetery and tell them that's where we go to remember mommy
etc. Pretty good chance somebody will find that body sooner or later
anyway.
Bo Raxo
Bo Raxo
"Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:13kgbvd34qc9n.1...@40tude.net...
> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 19:16:38 +0000 (UTC), Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <b1787508-b27f-45ea...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
>> yD <yaff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Jun 8, 1:27 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>>> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/hans-reiser-off.html
>>>>
>>>
>>>Interesting that he gets a lesser charge and lesser sentence for
>>>giving up the body plus a better chance of parole. I suppose that
>>>makes sense to somebody somewhere.
>>
>> The victim's family, strangely enough.
>>
>> --bks
>
> It's known as closure for the victims family.
Closure is an emotional process that comes from within, usually with the
help of others (whether loved ones or therapists). It doesn't magically
flow from a pile of bones.
> Obviously you have no clue.
>
The perfect PKB moment has occurred.
Bo Raxo
Moshe Goldfarb.
Actually in part having a body, or knowing where the loved one is located
is a very large part of the grieving process and a primary part of closure.
That's why we have cemeteries...
Duhhhhh....
>> Obviously you have no clue.
>>
>
> The perfect PKB moment has occurred.
No, you've just confirmed that you have no idea what you are talking about.
>
> Bo Raxo
Bo Raxo
> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 19:48:25 -0700, Bo Raxo wrote:
>
>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:13kgbvd34qc9n.1...@40tude.net...
>>> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 19:16:38 +0000 (UTC), Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> <b1787508-b27f-45ea...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> yD <yaff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Jun 8, 1:27 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>>>>> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/hans-reiser-off.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting that he gets a lesser charge and lesser sentence for
>>>>>giving up the body plus a better chance of parole. I suppose that
>>>>>makes sense to somebody somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> The victim's family, strangely enough.
>>>>
>>>> --bks
>>>
>>> It's known as closure for the victims family.
>>
>> Closure is an emotional process that comes from within, usually with the
>> help of others (whether loved ones or therapists). It doesn't magically
>> flow from a pile of bones.
>
> Actually in part having a body, or knowing where the loved one is located
> is a very large part of the grieving process and a primary part of
> closure.
>
> That's why we have cemeteries...
> Duhhhhh....
>
And nobody ever has their ashes spread somewhere, or donate their body to
science. Meaning no burial spot to visit.
Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>
>>> Obviously you have no clue.
>>>
>>
>> The perfect PKB moment has occurred.
>
> No, you've just confirmed that you have no idea what you are talking
> about.
>
You think the only way people get closure is being able to visit the bones.
What century are you living in? Is it within even a thousand years of the
one the rest of us inhabit?
Bo Raxo
Bo Raxo
"Michael Snyder" <msn...@socmen.org> wrote in message
news:484c9423$0$17212$742e...@news.sonic.net...
The standards of legal proof and a proof in the sciences are vastly
different things that happen to share a word: trying to draw a parallel is
ridiculous.
In the legal world, his conviction establishes as a fact that he killed
Nina.
Out here in the real world, the only reason this deal could be under
discussion is because Hans has authorized his lawyer to try and get it done.
Which means he did it - oh, wait, let me guess, you figure she could have
died of natural causes and he just happened to hide the body. Just kidding,
but really, mixing the standards from the two fields is just ridiculous.
Bo Raxo
tiny dancer
> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 19:48:25 -0700, Bo Raxo wrote:
>
>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:13kgbvd34qc9n.1...@40tude.net...
>>> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 19:16:38 +0000 (UTC), Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> <b1787508-b27f-45ea...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> yD <yaff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Jun 8, 1:27 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>>>>> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/hans-reiser-off.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting that he gets a lesser charge and lesser sentence for
>>>>>giving up the body plus a better chance of parole. I suppose that
>>>>>makes sense to somebody somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> The victim's family, strangely enough.
>>>>
>>>> --bks
>>>
>>> It's known as closure for the victims family.
>>
>> Closure is an emotional process that comes from within, usually with the
>> help of others (whether loved ones or therapists). It doesn't magically
>> flow from a pile of bones.
>
> Actually in part having a body, or knowing where the loved one is located
> is a very large part of the grieving process and a primary part of
> closure.
That is true. I remember when our beloved dog died. My husband and I were
devastated. We cried and cried, our hearts broken. When the vets office
called to say they had her ashes back, so we could pick them up, I sent one
of our daughters to get them for us, because I didn't think either of us
could go to get them. I thought we would break down. But it was different,
once we had her back with us we felt as though she was back where she
belonged, home with us again. We both felt some sense of relief and the
knowledge we knew where she was now. Not the same, I know. But if we could
be that griefstricken over our dog and her whereabouts, those poor children
not knowing where their mother is, is very tragic.
td
Moshe Goldfarb.
It;s the same thing.
They go back to the sea and it reminds them of their loved ones.
As for donating bodies, for some people that is the most important factor
and they KNOW where the body has gone.
KNOWING is what counts.
They had a body, they knew....
>>
>>>> Obviously you have no clue.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The perfect PKB moment has occurred.
>>
>> No, you've just confirmed that you have no idea what you are talking
>> about.
>>
>
> You think the only way people get closure is being able to visit the bones.
> What century are you living in? Is it within even a thousand years of the
> one the rest of us inhabit?
I didn't say it's the ONLY way, I said it's a very large part and a primary
part of the grieving process.
Read up on the 9-11 attacks and see what the biggest problem for the
relatives of the people who perished was.
It was not having a body.
Read up on serial killers and the families of their victims.
Again, the biggest part of closure was finding the body, if they even
could.
You have no clue what you are talking about.
Moshe Goldfarb.
I'm sorry for your loss and having lost a dear cat last year I know how you
feel.
The vet gave us back our Lacey in a nice little box shaped like a coffin
with a card attached etc.
We buried her and yes, I know this sounds silly, but it was very important
to me to know and to say goodbye even if she was already dead.
Like I said to Bo, the WTC attack is a prime example of this.
I lost several friends in that attack and I know for a fact the familes
anguished for months waiting for word that their loved ones, or parts of
their loved ones, were found.
In one case it was a single bone.
tiny dancer
Thank you, and I too am sorry for your loss. I totally agree with you,
unless you have lost *someone* who has meant so much to you, it is hard to
explain. We didn't realize exactly how deep our feelings of emptiness were,
until we had her back home again. Neither of us has wanted to bury her
ashes, we want them in the house with us. Our vet gave us a framed copy of
the Rainbow Bridge poem. We keep her ashes in a place of prominance in our
home.
I don't think Reiser should get less time for giving up the body, but I can
certainly understand these poor children wanting to know where their momma
is. They have lost everything. I think he should rot in prison, never get
out. But to Bo, don't demean a persons need to know where their loved one
is. It is a basic need. To have them back with you again.
td
Moshe Goldfarb.
The card we got had the Rainbow Ridge poem as well.
I don't think Reiser should get less time, but maybe a perk or two in
prison for giving up the location.
Nobody wins in situations like this.
All the best to you!
tiny dancer
Thank you, and to you too. We've rescued a couple more dogs, and we love
them, but they don't in any way take the place of our girl. She will always
hold a special place in our hearts, as I'm sure these will also.
best,
td
Tim Smith
"Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> It's known as closure for the victims family.
> >
> > Closure is an emotional process that comes from within, usually with the
> > help of others (whether loved ones or therapists). It doesn't magically
> > flow from a pile of bones.
>
> Actually in part having a body, or knowing where the loved one is located
> is a very large part of the grieving process and a primary part of closure.
Also, it confirms that they ARE dead, rather than just PRESUMED dead.
That too is a big part.
--
--Tim Smith
Moshe Goldfarb.
Absolutely true.
Peter Dworkin
Gotta go with Moish on this on, Bo. In my experience it has mattered,
no matter how much I tried to convince myself that dead is dead, and
that it should be immaterial to me where the body is, or in what
condition.
Hadron
That has to be the most ridiculous thing ever. A funeral is not a
funeral without the corpse - and a funeral is one of the best things for
closure.
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comp.os.linux.advocacy - where they put the lunacy in advocacy
Hadron
If you are not sure he is guilty then he MUST be not guilty. Guilt must
be proven. "Proven" can be done in many ways. As it was done in this
case. Lack of body did not, as some COLA advocates like Rick and Kelsey
said, make hime "not guilty". It really is that simple.
--
It explains a lot. I've not heard of anyone I know, anywhere, buying XP,
and I've not seen it sold whilst I've been in any shops.
chrisv
>>
>> Interestingly certain COLA "advocates" have assured us he is not
>> guilty.
Another bald-faced lie from Quack. Documented.
No one has "assured" anything of the kind.
You sure a nasty little shit, Quack.
chrisv
>>
>> Regarding a crime there are two states : guilty or not guilty
Regarding Quack, there are two states: Asshole or fsckwit.
Andrew Halliwell
So... not mutex then...
Hadron
Wrong. We were old by COLA advocates that without a body he could not be
found guilty. Therefore he must be innocent. Are you really as thick as
you appear?
--
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High Plains Shifter, COLA.
leebossa
He could have gotten parole at some point and helped find the
body....what a prick.
yD wrote:
> On Jun 8, 1:27 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/hans-reiser-off.html
>>
> Interesting that he gets a lesser charge and lesser sentence for
> giving up the body plus a better chance of parole. I suppose that
> makes sense to somebody somewhere.
> yD
Moshe Goldfarb.
> he should have just pleaded guilty...he was never going to be acquitted.
> He could have gotten parole at some point and helped find the
> body....what a prick.
His lawyer should have resigned because it seems that he lost control of
the case, ie:putting Reiser on the stand.
When you have an oddball client, guilty or not, putting him on the stand is
a major mistake.
bessie
wrote:
> <m...@privacy.net> wrote in messagenews:g2h4q...@news3.newsguy.com...
> mentioned at the end of a program I saw last week on this case.
>
> td- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Any updates?
tiny dancer
"bessie" <bessiej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Any updates?
Nothing new, really. Just that a deal is in the works.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/management/legal/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=208402817
Michael Snyder
>
> "Michael Snyder" <msn...@socmen.org> wrote in message
> news:484c9423$0$17212$742e...@news.sonic.net...
> >
> > "Hadron" <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> > news:g2hsql$v3g$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
> >> Andrew Halliwell <spi...@ponder.sky.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > High Plains Thumper <highplai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> Interestingly certain COLA "advocates" have assured us he is
> >> >>> not guilty. Only in COLA.
> >> >>
> >> >> That is a considerably ignorant statement.
> >> >
> >> > You expect anything from an ignoramous like hadron?
> >>
> >> Regarding a crime there are two states : guilty or not guilty
> >
> > Shroedinger's Cat. If no one observed the alleged
> > crime, then there is a state "neither guilty nor not guilty".
> >
>
>
> The standards of legal proof and a proof in the sciences are vastly
> different things that happen to share a word: trying to draw a parallel
is
> ridiculous.
Climb down, son -- Shroedinger's Cat is not about proof.
It is about the cat's state of deadness / not-deadness, and it
is about MORE than simply whether the cat is KNOWN to
be dead or alive.
> In the legal world, his conviction establishes as a fact that he killed
> Nina.
Nonsense. Conviction establishes his state of legal guilt, it does
NOT establish anything about whether or not he actually did the deed.
Michael Snyder
> "Michael Snyder" <msn...@socmen.org> writes:
>
> > "Hadron" <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> > news:g2hsql$v3g$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
> >> Andrew Halliwell <spi...@ponder.sky.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > High Plains Thumper <highplai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> Interestingly certain COLA "advocates" have assured us he is
> >> >>> not guilty. Only in COLA.
> >> >>
> >> >> That is a considerably ignorant statement.
> >> >
> >> > You expect anything from an ignoramous like hadron?
> >>
> >> Regarding a crime there are two states : guilty or not guilty
> >
> > Shroedinger's Cat. If no one observed the alleged
> > crime, then there is a state "neither guilty nor not guilty".
>
> If you are not sure he is guilty then he MUST be not guilty. Guilt must
> be proven. "Proven" can be done in many ways. As it was done in this
> case. Lack of body did not, as some COLA advocates like Rick and Kelsey
> said, make hime "not guilty". It really is that simple.
Hadron is actually a boson, isn't he?
yD
> "Bo Raxo" <crimenewscen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:vOednR_mLoniPtHV...@comcast.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Michael Snyder" <msny...@socmen.org> wrote in message
> >news:484c9423$0$17212$742e...@news.sonic.net...
>
> > > "Hadron" <hadronqu...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:g2hsql$v3g$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
> > >> Andrew Halliwell <spi...@ponder.sky.com> writes:
>
> > >> >>> Interestingly certain COLA "advocates" have assured us he is
> > >> >>> not guilty. Only in COLA.
>
> > >> >> That is a considerably ignorant statement.
>
> > >> > You expect anything from an ignoramous like hadron?
>
> > >> Regarding a crime there are two states : guilty or not guilty
>
> > > Shroedinger's Cat. If no one observed the alleged
> > > crime, then there is a state "neither guilty nor not guilty".
>
> > The standards of legal proof and a proof in the sciences are vastly
> > different things that happen to share a word: trying to draw a parallel
> is
> > ridiculous.
>
> Climb down, son -- Shroedinger's Cat is not about proof.
> It is about the cat's state of deadness / not-deadness, and it
> is about MORE than simply whether the cat is KNOWN to
> be dead or alive.
>
> > In the legal world, his conviction establishes as a fact that he killed
> > Nina.
>
> Nonsense. Conviction establishes his state of legal guilt, it does
>
> - Show quoted text -
I agree. Whether one is found guilty or not guilty at trial does not
mean that one did or did not commit the crime. There are plenty of
innocent people in jails because they have been found guilty by a
jury. And, there are people who are not in jail despite the fact that
they committed crimes and were acquitted.
yD
Bo Raxo
> "Bo Raxo" <crimene...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:13kgbvd34qc9n.1...@40tude.net...
>>> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 19:16:38 +0000 (UTC), Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> <b1787508-b27f-45ea...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> yD <yaff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Jun 8, 1:27 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>>>>> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/hans-reiser-off.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting that he gets a lesser charge and lesser sentence for
>>>>>giving up the body plus a better chance of parole. I suppose that
>>>>>makes sense to somebody somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> The victim's family, strangely enough.
>>>>
>>>> --bks
>>>
>>> It's known as closure for the victims family.
>>
>> Closure is an emotional process that comes from within, usually with the
>> help of others (whether loved ones or therapists). It doesn't magically
>> flow from a pile of bones.
>
> That has to be the most ridiculous thing ever. A funeral is not a
> funeral without the corpse - and a funeral is one of the best things for
> closure.
>
They have plenty of memorial services where there are no remains. The
grieving process really doesn't require a pile of bones in order to work.
Are you too stupid to grasp that? You think if someone is, say, lost at
sea, the family doesn't have a funeral? Can't find emotional closure?
Or the reverse - you think every family that does have a corpse to bury does
find closure?
Bwaa haaa haa, you really are a simple minded thing, aren't ya?
Andrew Halliwell
>> In the legal world, his conviction establishes as a fact that he killed
>> Nina.
>
> Nonsense. Conviction establishes his state of legal guilt, it does
> NOT establish anything about whether or not he actually did the deed.
Indeed... What would've happened if she'd turned up 5 years down the line
working as a waitress suffering from amnesia?
Or her body had been found and then someone else had been killed using
exactly the same methods while he was in prison.
Legal guilt has little to do with whether you actually did it.
That's why the death penalty is wrong and why so many people who HAVE been
imprisoned get their sentences quashed every year when the real culprit is
captured.
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Bo Raxo
>
> Read up on the 9-11 attacks and see what the biggest problem for the
> relatives of the people who perished was.
>
> It was not having a body.
>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/28/september11.usa
"...while burying a body is an important therapeutic rite, it's
psycho-babble to suggest that it necessarily ushers in closure. "
"When death is sudden and a dead person's clothes still bear their smell,
and the moue of their lipstick remains on a mug of coffee, it feels like
they've only just left and might just as immediately return. And there's a
particular pain to mourning without a body or a grave, as Holocaust
survivors know. But the idea that the recovery of a small body-fragment can
do more than mildly assist grieving would be considered shamanistic if
expressed by an Afghan tribe."
Is that a direct enough refutation of your claim?
Bo Raxo
Bo Raxo
"tiny dancer" <tinyda...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:GT13k.1617$rW2...@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
>
>
>
> That is true. I remember when our beloved dog died. My husband and I
> were devastated. We cried and cried, our hearts broken. When the vets
> office called to say they had her ashes back, so we could pick them up, I
> sent one of our daughters to get them for us, because I didn't think
> either of us could go to get them. I thought we would break down. But it
> was different, once we had her back with us we felt as though she was back
> where she belonged, home with us again. We both felt some sense of relief
> and the knowledge we knew where she was now. Not the same, I know.
You're comparing your dead pet to these children's dead mother.
Unfreakingbelievable. No, it is not the same.
> But if we could be that griefstricken over our dog and her whereabouts,
> those poor children not knowing where their mother is, is very tragic.
>
>
Those poor children probably don't need to ever know the grisly facts about
their mother's last minutes on earth, the horrible manner of her death, the
injuries she suffered, or the indignities Hans may have subjected the corpse
to. Really, if it's in some cave with rats eating the flesh off of it, do
they need to know that? Will it help them to find closure?
Which brings me back to the part where it isn't exactly comparable to your
dead pet...
Bo Raxo
Hadron
Obviously. Duh.
> grieving process really doesn't require a pile of bones in order to
> work.
Wrong.
> Are you too stupid to grasp that? You think if someone is, say, lost
> at
You are wrong. A body is *very* important.
> sea, the family doesn't have a funeral? Can't find emotional closure?
Not as "closed" as with a body you insensitive moron.
>
> Or the reverse - you think every family that does have a corpse to bury does
> find closure?
>
> Bwaa haaa haa, you really are a simple minded thing, aren't ya?
I'm astonished. You have found a new level of insensitive, selfish
thinking that I thought could not exist in the case of such a subject.
Rick
Duh.
HE is correct. The grieving process doesn't necessarily require a pile
of bones in order to work. You should do some reading on it (denial,
anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance).
>
>> Are you too stupid to grasp that? You think if someone is, say, lost
>> at
>
> You are wrong. A body is *very* important.
It is important, but not necessarily required for the grieving process
to proceed and resolve.
>
>> sea, the family doesn't have a funeral? Can't find emotional closure?
>
> Not as "closed" as with a body you insensitive moron.
That very much depends on the person grieving.
>
>> Or the reverse - you think every family that does have a corpse to bury does
>> find closure?
>>
>> Bwaa haaa haa, you really are a simple minded thing, aren't ya?
>
> I'm astonished. You have found a new level of insensitive, selfish
> thinking that I thought could not exist in the case of such a subject.
You might want to take some classes on the grieving process.
Hadron
He is not correct. It is a well known fact that no body leaves
uncertainty. When do ever get off supporting nutters Rick? Really, you
surprise me.
>
>>
>>> Are you too stupid to grasp that? You think if someone is, say, lost
>>> at
>>
>> You are wrong. A body is *very* important.
>
> It is important, but not necessarily required for the grieving process
> to proceed and resolve.
Oh FFS!!!!!!!!!!! Nothing is !100% required". But to deny that the
presence of a body can only be beneficial is darn right stupidity. Can
you hear yourself?
>
>>
>>> sea, the family doesn't have a funeral? Can't find emotional closure?
>>
>> Not as "closed" as with a body you insensitive moron.
>
> That very much depends on the person grieving.
Are you really this fucking stupid? Of course it depends on the
person. But the HUGE MAJORITY would like to have a body.
>
>>
>>> Or the reverse - you think every family that does have a corpse to
>>> bury does find closure?
>>>
>>> Bwaa haaa haa, you really are a simple minded thing, aren't ya?
>>
>> I'm astonished. You have found a new level of insensitive, selfish
>> thinking that I thought could not exist in the case of such a subject.
>
> You might want to take some classes on the grieving process.
So you disagree with me that having a body to bury is a real bonus for
the grieving process?
Christ almighty, you have fallen to new depths Rick. It is well
documented that the absence of a body leaves many, many people
traumitised and uncertain.
For crying out loud, you eve maintained that the absence of a body might
indicate that she was still alive and your hero innocent!
Shame on you. I can not believe what I am reading here.
--
"For example, user interfaces are _usually_ better in commercial software.
I'm not saying that this is always true, but in many cases the user
interface to a program is the most important part for a commercial
company..." Linus Torvalds <http://www.tlug.jp/docs/linus.html>
chrisv
>>
>>
Why the fsck do you think anyone cares what you think, "Hadron"?
You've made such an asshole of yourself on SO many occasions... I'd
give more weight to what "The Magic 8-ball" tells me, than your
gobshite.
Rick
He is not correct. The grieving process doesn't necessarily require a
pile of bones in order to work. AND, the presence of a body does not
guarantee resolution.
> When do ever get off supporting nutters Rick? Really, you
> surprise me.
I am not supporting any nutters.
>
>>>> Are you too stupid to grasp that? You think if someone is, say, lost
>>>> at
>>> You are wrong. A body is *very* important.
>> It is important, but not necessarily required for the grieving process
>> to proceed and resolve.
>
> Oh FFS!!!!!!!!!!! Nothing is !100% required". But to deny that the
> presence of a body can only be beneficial is darn right stupidity. Can
> you hear yourself?
AGAIN, you might want to do some reading on the grieving process.
>
>>>> sea, the family doesn't have a funeral? Can't find emotional closure?
>>> Not as "closed" as with a body you insensitive moron.
>> That very much depends on the person grieving.
>
> Are you really this fucking stupid? Of course it depends on the
> person. But the HUGE MAJORITY would like to have a body.
"would like to have" is not the same as resolution.
>
>>>> Or the reverse - you think every family that does have a corpse to
>>>> bury does find closure?
>>>>
>>>> Bwaa haaa haa, you really are a simple minded thing, aren't ya?
>>> I'm astonished. You have found a new level of insensitive, selfish
>>> thinking that I thought could not exist in the case of such a subject.
>> You might want to take some classes on the grieving process.
>
> So you disagree with me that having a body to bury is a real bonus for
> the grieving process?
I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with you. You deal in absolutes.
There are no absolutes in the grieving process.
>
> Christ almighty, you have fallen to new depths Rick. It is well
> documented that the absence of a body leaves many, many people
> traumitised and uncertain.
Yes, it is documented that the absence of a body leaves many, many
people traumatized and uncertain. It is also documented, in many, many
case, that the presence of a body, in and of itself, does not help
alleviate the grieving.
>
> For crying out loud, you eve maintained that the absence of a body might
> indicate that she was still alive and your hero innocent!
You are stupid. And a bigot. And offensive. And an ass.
I am telling you, as someone that lectured on death/dying,grief, and
critical incident stress, for may years, that many therapists and
physicians recognize the grieving process as a process. Within that
process, the presence, or absence, of a body effects differently people
differently. For some, it is helpful, and helps bring resolution. For
others it doesn't. For starters, go read "On Death and Dying".
And yes, IMO, without a body, and/or a confession, it cannot be
absolutely stated she is dead. And, please remember, people have given
false confessions. And, no, I am not stating, or implying, and
confession Reiser may give would be false.
And third, he is not my hero. He has never been my hero. He developed a
file system. That's it. If he murdered his wife, IMO, he should die.
However, there are a lot of holes in the evidence. Pointing out those
holes is NOT defending Reiser. And, AGAIN, from statements, it seems
many people voted to convict Reiser, not from the evidence, but because
they didn't like him after his testimony.
So... is he guilty? I do not know. Did he do it? I do not know. If he
did, and it was premeditated, IMO, he should die.
>
> Shame on you. I can not believe what I am reading here.
>
See above, you POS.
Moshe Goldfarb.
> So you disagree with me that having a body to bury is a real bonus for
> the grieving process?
>
> Christ almighty, you have fallen to new depths Rick. It is well
> documented that the absence of a body leaves many, many people
> traumitised and uncertain.
>
> For crying out loud, you eve maintained that the absence of a body might
> indicate that she was still alive and your hero innocent!
>
> Shame on you. I can not believe what I am reading here.
These Linux loons will argue anything that is presented by the other side.
They look at the poster and then make up an arguement to force debate
rather than admit they agree.
Rick and that Borax loon are incredibly stupid if they actually believe
what they wrote.
Another fine example of the weird, cult-like attitude of the Linux loon.
Just when you think it can't get any worse and they can't sink any lower,
it does and they do.
Ezekiel
"Rick" <no...@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:wfWdnfy-YYo0QdLV...@supernews.com...
> Hadron wrote:
>
> And, AGAIN, from statements, it seems many people voted to convict Reiser,
> not from the evidence, but because they didn't like him after his
> testimony.
The jury found him guilty because of the evidence, testimony and facts of
the case. You can't simply conclude that they found him guilty "because they
didn't like his testimonty" as if that was the only reason. It may have been
part of the reason they found him guilty but it certainly was not the only
reason.
> So... is he guilty? I do not know. Did he do it? I do not know. If he did,
> and it was premeditated, IMO, he should die.
You still don't know if he was guilty or not? So Hans Reiser offering to
show the police where the dead body is hidden in return for a lesser
sentence isn't enough proof. Perhaps you think that the location of the body
that he was found guilty of murdering came to him in a dream or something.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
AZ Nomad
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/28/september11.usa
I'll keep that in mind next time I'm a member of a stone-age tribe.
tiny dancer
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:11:17 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>
>> So you disagree with me that having a body to bury is a real bonus for
>> the grieving process?
>>
>> Christ almighty, you have fallen to new depths Rick. It is well
>> documented that the absence of a body leaves many, many people
>> traumitised and uncertain.
>>
>> For crying out loud, you eve maintained that the absence of a body might
>> indicate that she was still alive and your hero innocent!
>>
>> Shame on you. I can not believe what I am reading here.
>
> These Linux loons will argue anything that is presented by the other side.
> They look at the poster and then make up an arguement to force debate
> rather than admit they agree.
>
> Rick and that Borax loon are incredibly stupid if they actually believe
> what they wrote.
> Another fine example of the weird, cult-like attitude of the Linux loon.
> Just when you think it can't get any worse and they can't sink any lower,
> it does and they do.
They have completely overlooked the fact that THE CHILDREN WANT TO KNOW
WHERE THEIR MOTHER IS. These two particular children want their mother
back. We aren't talking about abstract people who might or might not
experience a form of closure with a body. We are discussing THESE CHILDREN.
They don't need to know how their mother died, the last moments of hours of
her life. They simply want THEIR mothers remains with them. They want to
know where she is.
td
chrisv
>"Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>(snip)
>
>
>They have completely overlooked the fact that THE CHILDREN WANT TO KNOW
Do you know that you are arguing with an immoral, mentally-ill person?
Quit rewarding his vile behavior by reading and responding-to his
messages.
tiny dancer
"chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:m2uv44dekt5ojih7e...@4ax.com...
> tiny dancer wrote:
>
>>"Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>(snip)
>>
>>
>>They have completely overlooked the fact that THE CHILDREN WANT TO KNOW
>
> Do you know that you are arguing with an immoral, mentally-ill person?
I'm not arguing with anyone. I am merely pointing out all this abstract
discussion has nothing to do with 'this situation,' 'these two children'.
'They' want to know where their mother is, have asked their father numerous
times 'where' she is. I wasn't addressing anyone in particular.
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:wfWdnfy-YYo0QdLV...@supernews.com...
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>> And, AGAIN, from statements, it seems many people voted to convict Reiser,
>> not from the evidence, but because they didn't like him after his
>> testimony.
>
> The jury found him guilty because of the evidence, testimony and facts of
> the case. You can't simply conclude that they found him guilty "because they
> didn't like his testimonty" as if that was the only reason. It may have been
> part of the reason they found him guilty but it certainly was not the only
> reason.
I can conclude anything I want. And I came to my conclusions after
hearing their statements.
>
>
>> So... is he guilty? I do not know. Did he do it? I do not know. If he did,
>> and it was premeditated, IMO, he should die.
>
> You still don't know if he was guilty or not?
No, I don't. I know that he was found guitly by a jury.
> So Hans Reiser offering to
> show the police where the dead body is hidden in return for a lesser
> sentence isn't enough proof.
Maybe he knows where the body is because he saw where it was put.
Doubtful, but possible.
> Perhaps you think that the location of the body
> that he was found guilty of murdering came to him in a dream or something.
>
Perhaps you're a dumbass.
Rick
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:11:17 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>
>> So you disagree with me that having a body to bury is a real bonus for
>> the grieving process?
>>
>> Christ almighty, you have fallen to new depths Rick. It is well
>> documented that the absence of a body leaves many, many people
>> traumitised and uncertain.
>>
>> For crying out loud, you eve maintained that the absence of a body might
>> indicate that she was still alive and your hero innocent!
>>
>> Shame on you. I can not believe what I am reading here.
>
> These Linux loons will argue anything that is presented by the other side.
> They look at the poster and then make up an arguement to force debate
> rather than admit they agree.
>
> Rick and that Borax loon are incredibly stupid if they actually believe
> what they wrote.
Screw you bitch. At least I don't equate Linux users with murders.
chrisv
>I'm not arguing with anyone. I am merely pointing out all this abstract
>discussion has nothing to do with 'this situation,' 'these two children'.
>'They' want to know where their mother is, have asked their father numerous
>times 'where' she is. I wasn't addressing anyone in particular.
Well, beware of cross-posted trolls.
c.o.l.a. removed
cc
> Ezekiel wrote:
> > "Rick" <n...@nomail.com> wrote in message
> >news:wfWdnfy-YYo0QdLV...@supernews.com...
> >> Hadron wrote:
>
> >> And, AGAIN, from statements, it seems many people voted to convict Reiser,
> >> not from the evidence, but because they didn't like him after his
> >> testimony.
>
> > The jury found him guilty because of the evidence, testimony and facts of
> > the case. You can't simply conclude that they found him guilty "because they
> > didn't like his testimonty" as if that was the only reason. It may have been
> > part of the reason they found him guilty but it certainly was not the only
> > reason.
>
> I can conclude anything I want. And I came to my conclusions after
> hearing their statements.
Yes, it is an unfortunate drawback to a free society that anyone can
conclude anything they want. In a more utopian society, retards like
yourself, Kelsey, and Gregory would suffer harsher penalties for
concluding incorrectly on such a regular basis.
>
> >> So... is he guilty? I do not know. Did he do it? I do not know. If he did,
> >> and it was premeditated, IMO, he should die.
>
> > You still don't know if he was guilty or not?
>
> No, I don't. I know that he was found guitly by a jury.
>
> > So Hans Reiser offering to
> > show the police where the dead body is hidden in return for a lesser
> > sentence isn't enough proof.
>
> Maybe he knows where the body is because he saw where it was put.
> Doubtful, but possible.
Not doubtful at all, but almost certain. The only way he didn't see
where it was put is if he blindfolded himself, spun around in circles
until he was dizzy, then dropped the body off randomly. Even then I
suspect he would have a good idea. But barring that unlikely case, I'd
say it's pretty certain he saw where he put the body.
Ezekiel
"cc" <scat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 11, 1:41 am, Rick <n...@nomail.com> wrote:
>> Ezekiel wrote:
>> > "Rick" <n...@nomail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:wfWdnfy-YYo0QdLV...@supernews.com...
>> >> Hadron wrote:
>>
>> >> And, AGAIN, from statements, it seems many people voted to convict
>> >> Reiser,
>> >> not from the evidence, but because they didn't like him after his
>> >> testimony.
>>
>> > The jury found him guilty because of the evidence, testimony and facts
>> > of
>> > the case. You can't simply conclude that they found him guilty "because
>> > they
>> > didn't like his testimonty" as if that was the only reason. It may have
>> > been
>> > part of the reason they found him guilty but it certainly was not the
>> > only
>> > reason.
>>
>> I can conclude anything I want. And I came to my conclusions after
>> hearing their statements.
>Yes, it is an unfortunate drawback to a free society that anyone can
>conclude anything they want. In a more utopian society, retards like
>yourself, Kelsey, and Gregory would suffer harsher penalties for
>concluding incorrectly on such a regular basis.
I certainly won't infringe upon Ricks contitutional right to be as moronic
as he pleases.
>>
>> >> So... is he guilty? I do not know. Did he do it? I do not know. If he
>> >> did,
>> >> and it was premeditated, IMO, he should die.
>>
>> > You still don't know if he was guilty or not?
>>
>> No, I don't. I know that he was found guitly by a jury.
>>
>> > So Hans Reiser offering to
>> > show the police where the dead body is hidden in return for a lesser
>> > sentence isn't enough proof.
>>
>> Maybe he knows where the body is because he saw where it was put.
>> Doubtful, but possible.
>
>Not doubtful at all, but almost certain. The only way he didn't see
>where it was put is if he blindfolded himself, spun around in circles
>until he was dizzy, then dropped the body off randomly. Even then I
>suspect he would have a good idea. But barring that unlikely case, I'd
>say it's pretty certain he saw where he put the body.
It's absolutely amazing isn't it? Rick still doesn't believe that Reiser is
guilty. Even after being found guilty and offerring to show the police where
the body is. Ricks "logic" - "Maybe he knows where the body is because he
saw where it was put." Yeah... right. That happens all of the time. And
this was never brought up during the trial because....
In order to better understand "advoctaes" like Rick I put together a helpful
guide and posted it here in my "A normal persons guide to understanding
linux advocate logic" post.
The items that pertain especially well to Rick are:
ARGUMENT BY BIZARRE DEFINITION: Example: He's not a criminal. He just does
things that are against the law.
TOTAL LOGICAL DISCONNECTION: Example: I enjoy pasta because my house is made
of bricks.
REACHING BIZARRE CONCLUSIONS WITHOUT ANY INFORMATION: Example: My car won't
start. I'm certain the spark plugs have been stolen by rogue clowns.
Rick
> On Jun 11, 1:41 am, Rick <n...@nomail.com> wrote:
>> Ezekiel wrote:
>> > "Rick" <n...@nomail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:wfWdnfy-YYo0QdLV...@supernews.com...
>> >> Hadron wrote:
>>
>> >> And, AGAIN, from statements, it seems many people voted to convict
>> >> Reiser, not from the evidence, but because they didn't like him
>> >> after his testimony.
>>
>> > The jury found him guilty because of the evidence, testimony and
>> > facts of the case. You can't simply conclude that they found him
>> > guilty "because they didn't like his testimonty" as if that was the
>> > only reason. It may have been part of the reason they found him
>> > guilty but it certainly was not the only reason.
>>
>> I can conclude anything I want. And I came to my conclusions after
>> hearing their statements.
>
>
> Yes, it is an unfortunate drawback to a free society that anyone can
> conclude anything they want. In a more utopian society, retards like
> yourself, Kelsey, and Gregory would suffer harsher penalties for
> concluding incorrectly on such a regular basis.
Is it hard to breathe with your head stuck so far up your ass?
>
>
>> >> So... is he guilty? I do not know. Did he do it? I do not know. If
>> >> he did, and it was premeditated, IMO, he should die.
>>
>> > You still don't know if he was guilty or not?
>>
>> No, I don't. I know that he was found guitly by a jury.
>>
>> > So Hans Reiser offering to
>> > show the police where the dead body is hidden in return for a lesser
>> > sentence isn't enough proof.
>>
>> Maybe he knows where the body is because he saw where it was put.
>> Doubtful, but possible.
>
> Not doubtful at all, but almost certain. The only way he didn't see
> where it was put is if he blindfolded himself, spun around in circles
> until he was dizzy, then dropped the body off randomly. Even then I
> suspect he would have a good idea. But barring that unlikely case, I'd
> say it's pretty certain he saw where he put the body.
--
Rick
Rick
> "cc" <scat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6f061d7b-7a5e-411b-8531-
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As opposed to your out and out dishonesty?
>
>
>>> >> So... is he guilty? I do not know. Did he do it? I do not know. If
>>> >> he did,
>>> >> and it was premeditated, IMO, he should die.
>>>
>>> > You still don't know if he was guilty or not?
>>>
>>> No, I don't. I know that he was found guitly by a jury.
>>>
>>> > So Hans Reiser offering to
>>> > show the police where the dead body is hidden in return for a lesser
>>> > sentence isn't enough proof.
>>>
>>> Maybe he knows where the body is because he saw where it was put.
>>> Doubtful, but possible.
>>
>>Not doubtful at all, but almost certain. The only way he didn't see
>>where it was put is if he blindfolded himself, spun around in circles
>>until he was dizzy, then dropped the body off randomly. Even then I
>>suspect he would have a good idea. But barring that unlikely case, I'd
>>say it's pretty certain he saw where he put the body.
>
>
>
> It's absolutely amazing isn't it? Rick still doesn't believe that Reiser
> is guilty. Even after being found guilty and offerring to show the
> police where the body is. Ricks "logic" - "Maybe he knows where the body
> is because he saw where it was put." Yeah... right. That happens all of
> the time. And this was never brought up during the trial because....
Were you brain damaged at birth? Did you not read "Doubtful, but
possible"?
>
> In order to better understand "advoctaes" like Rick I put together a
> helpful guide and posted it here in my "A normal persons guide to
> understanding linux advocate logic" post.
>
> The items that pertain especially well to Rick are:
>
>
>
> ARGUMENT BY BIZARRE DEFINITION: Example: He's not a criminal. He just
> does things that are against the law.
>
> TOTAL LOGICAL DISCONNECTION: Example: I enjoy pasta because my house is
> made of bricks.
>
> REACHING BIZARRE CONCLUSIONS WITHOUT ANY INFORMATION: Example: My car
> won't start. I'm certain the spark plugs have been stolen by rogue
> clowns.
>
How is it your brain is complex enough to allow you to live?
--
Rick
Moshe Goldfarb.
> Screw you bitch. At least I don't equate Linux users with murders.
Neither do I.
I equate them with nuts, loons and weirdos.
if murder happens to slip in, so be it.
The Ghost In The Machine
<no...@nomail.com>
wrote
on Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:42:42 -0400
<qKudnXtElKKhks3V...@supernews.com>:
> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:11:17 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>>
>>
>>> So you disagree with me that having a body to bury is a real bonus for
>>> the grieving process?
>>>
>>> Christ almighty, you have fallen to new depths Rick. It is well
>>> documented that the absence of a body leaves many, many people
>>> traumitised and uncertain.
>>>
>>> For crying out loud, you eve maintained that the absence of a body might
>>> indicate that she was still alive and your hero innocent!
>>>
>>> Shame on you. I can not believe what I am reading here.
>>
>> These Linux loons will argue anything that is presented by the other side.
>> They look at the poster and then make up an arguement to force debate
>> rather than admit they agree.
>>
>> Rick and that Borax loon are incredibly stupid if they actually believe
>> what they wrote.
>
> Screw you bitch. At least I don't equate Linux users with murders.
Pedant Point: Hans Reiser was a *developer*. Not that it
matters all that much; this is clearly guilt by association
tactics.
>
>
>> Another fine example of the weird, cult-like attitude of the Linux loon.
>> Just when you think it can't get any worse and they can't sink any lower,
>> it does and they do.
>>
--
#191, ewi...@earthlink.net
"Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of
elderberries!" - Monty Python and the Holy Grail
cc
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:15:28 -0700, cc wrote:
> > On Jun 11, 1:41 am, Rick <n...@nomail.com> wrote:
> >> Ezekiel wrote:
> >> > "Rick" <n...@nomail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:wfWdnfy-YYo0QdLV...@supernews.com...
> >> >> Hadron wrote:
>
> >> >> And, AGAIN, from statements, it seems many people voted to convict
> >> >> Reiser, not from the evidence, but because they didn't like him
> >> >> after his testimony.
>
> >> > The jury found him guilty because of the evidence, testimony and
> >> > facts of the case. You can't simply conclude that they found him
> >> > guilty "because they didn't like his testimonty" as if that was the
> >> > only reason. It may have been part of the reason they found him
> >> > guilty but it certainly was not the only reason.
>
> >> I can conclude anything I want. And I came to my conclusions after
> >> hearing their statements.
>
> > Yes, it is an unfortunate drawback to a free society that anyone can
> > conclude anything they want. In a more utopian society, retards like
> > yourself, Kelsey, and Gregory would suffer harsher penalties for
> > concluding incorrectly on such a regular basis.
>
> Is it hard to breathe with your head stuck so far up your ass?
>
>
It doesn't seem to bother Mark Kent.
Hadron
> Ezekiel wrote:
>> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:wfWdnfy-YYo0QdLV...@supernews.com...
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>> And, AGAIN, from statements, it seems many people voted to convict
>>> Reiser, not from the evidence, but because they didn't like him
>>> after his testimony.
>>
>> The jury found him guilty because of the evidence, testimony and
>> facts of the case. You can't simply conclude that they found him
>> guilty "because they didn't like his testimonty" as if that was the
>> only reason. It may have been part of the reason they found him
>> guilty but it certainly was not the only reason.
>
> I can conclude anything I want. And I came to my conclusions after
> hearing their statements.
>
The same Rick who fathomed that "4 UIs"(*) on one desktop didn't mean it
was "fractured".
LOL.
Laughable.
(*)
4 different UIs meaning 4 different window standards with different
interface standards.
Rick
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:42:42 -0400, Rick wrote:
>
>> Screw you bitch. At least I don't equate Linux users with murders.
>
> Neither do I.
> I equate them with nuts, loons and weirdos. if murder happens to slip
> in, so be it.
... so, since you use Linux, you are calling yourself a nut, loon and
weirdo, and wee shouldn't be surprised if you commit murder...
--
Rick
Rick
Apparently it doesn't seem to bother you.
--
Rick
leebossa
> On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:58:13 -0400, leebossa wrote:
>
>> he should have just pleaded guilty...he was never going to be acquitted.
>> He could have gotten parole at some point and helped find the
>> body....what a prick.
>
> His lawyer should have resigned because it seems that he lost control of
> the case, ie:putting Reiser on the stand.
> When you have an oddball client, guilty or not, putting him on the stand is
> a major mistake.
>
>
true...i saw reiser being interviewed and it was quite obvious this guy
is whacked...putting him on the stand was suicide becuase he would be
his own worst enemy. Like a lot of people who kill their spouses, he's
so sure he's going to beat the rap and cheat the hangman, that he's SOOO
smart and such a genius, and he's so crafty...and he just proceeds to
alienate everyone with criminal obnoxiousness. It was the worst thing
for his attorney but it was the best thing for the case. Guys like him
or Scott peterson for example think no one can outsmart them, and they
end up screwing themselves.
chrisv
>he's SOOO
>smart and such a genius, and he's so crafty...and he just proceeds to
>alienate everyone with criminal obnoxiousness.
Like when Billy G took the stand...
Moshe Goldfarb.
exactly!
The term is sociopath.
Ted Bundy.
Scott Peterson.
Hans Reiser.
That Police Officer who had 2 or 3 wives disappear(I forget his name).
Etc......
Moshe Goldfarb.
Idiot.
Do you even know the difference between a civil trial and a criminal one?
I doubt it.
Go back to trolling.
Ezekiel
"leebossa" <blan...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:wQy4k.12085$vm6....@wagner.videotron.net...
Well put. Every now and then some arrogant asshole (like Hans Reiser) takes
the stand and literally thinks "I'm so smart that I'll just dazzle all of
these 'fools' here with my testimony." The problem is that while this
murderer might have been smart in that he can lock himself in a room and
write code for a linux filesystem, he's not even in the same league as an
experienced criminal attorney who's fairly bright himself.
I'm glad to see that the murderer has been caught, prosecuted and found
guilty. Justice has been served and Hans Reiser can now spend the rest of
his miserable life being someone's prison bitch.
Moshe Goldfarb.
> I'm glad to see that the murderer has been caught, prosecuted and found
> guilty. Justice has been served and Hans Reiser can now spend the rest of
> his miserable life being someone's prison bitch.
I'll wager that Rick is getting jealous.
Rick
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:14:49 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>
>> I'm glad to see that the murderer has been caught, prosecuted and found
>> guilty. Justice has been served and Hans Reiser can now spend the rest
>> of his miserable life being someone's prison bitch.
>
> I'll wager that Rick is getting jealous.
Bet your life. Please. Have your survivors get back to us.
--
Rick
Moshe Goldfarb.
Us?
You mean there is more than one of you Rick?
Wow!
Those voices in your head must be getting a wee bit loud these days!
Hadron
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:50:37 -0500, Rick wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:24:29 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:14:49 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm glad to see that the murderer has been caught, prosecuted and found
>>>> guilty. Justice has been served and Hans Reiser can now spend the rest
>>>> of his miserable life being someone's prison bitch.
>>>
>>> I'll wager that Rick is getting jealous.
>>
>> Bet your life. Please. Have your survivors get back to us.
>
> Us?
>
> You mean there is more than one of you Rick?
>
> Wow!
>
> Those voices in your head must be getting a wee bit loud these days!
It would explain the apparent flip flopping. It's another Rick putting
forward views which disagree with the real Rick's previously expressed
views! Poor Rick. A laughing stock. Even the "advocates" won't help him
- it reminds me of Kier being scolded by the 'tards and he so wanted to
be one of them.
--
"Maybe you can buy a Saturday Night Special and blow your POS brains out."
-- Rick <no...@nomail.com> in comp.os.linux.advocacy
Moshe Goldfarb.
> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:50:37 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:24:29 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:14:49 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm glad to see that the murderer has been caught, prosecuted and found
>>>>> guilty. Justice has been served and Hans Reiser can now spend the rest
>>>>> of his miserable life being someone's prison bitch.
>>>>
>>>> I'll wager that Rick is getting jealous.
>>>
>>> Bet your life. Please. Have your survivors get back to us.
>>
>> Us?
>>
>> You mean there is more than one of you Rick?
>>
>> Wow!
>>
>> Those voices in your head must be getting a wee bit loud these days!
>
> It would explain the apparent flip flopping. It's another Rick putting
> forward views which disagree with the real Rick's previously expressed
> views! Poor Rick. A laughing stock. Even the "advocates" won't help him
> - it reminds me of Kier being scolded by the 'tards and he so wanted to
> be one of them.
Yea.
Kier certainly had a touch of "battered Linux advocates syndrome".
He would just keep coming back for more pain.
leebossa
narcissist. And it's another reason the death penalty doesn't work as a
deterrent. Guys like this don't stop and think, "gee, i better not kill
my pregnant wife because I might get executed." they all think they'll
get away with it because they're so smart; especially guys like this guy
or Scott peterson; they figure they have fancy lawyers and can charm
everyone into believing them...only poor losers with no money get caught
or executed. Which is not entirely untrue. The way criminals think is
either they're too impulsive to consider the death penalty, or they
think they're too smart to get caught...but the threat of execution just
doesn't seem to work.
Moshe Goldfarb.
> well that's part of being a sociopath or psychopath...you're a
> narcissist. And it's another reason the death penalty doesn't work as a
> deterrent. Guys like this don't stop and think, "gee, i better not kill
> my pregnant wife because I might get executed." they all think they'll
> get away with it because they're so smart; especially guys like this guy
> or Scott peterson; they figure they have fancy lawyers and can charm
> everyone into believing them...only poor losers with no money get caught
> or executed. Which is not entirely untrue. The way criminals think is
> either they're too impulsive to consider the death penalty, or they
> think they're too smart to get caught...but the threat of execution just
> doesn't seem to work.
I just watched a special on the Green River killer and that is EXACTLY the
way he acted and thought.
leebossa
yeah, or they really don't care if they get caught...psychopaths and
sociopaths know it's wrong, but they don't care. They just can't stop
killing and they know that getting caught is the only way. I think he
was probably relieved to get caught.
The Ghost In The Machine
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, leebossa
<blan...@videotron.ca>
wrote
on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:52:54 -0400
<99C5k.35397$QS5....@wagner.videotron.net>:
Personally, I'd just as soon put him away for life;
that way, he has a chance. It's also slightly cheaper,
as I understand it; those appeals mount up costwise.
Of course there is a finality to an execution that allows
victims' family/ies to achieve closure, the notion that
their terrible ordeal is finally over, and will never
happen again to anyone else. Counterbalance that with
execution of the wrong person, and one has to wonder,
though. There are also issues to swift justice; many
executions do not occur until at least a decade after
the commission of the crime; the appeals process is long,
grinding, and grueling. Ideally, it would take at most
a month or two to capture, try, and execute (whatever
happened to "speedy trials"?) -- although if the legal
system can't guarantee that it can correctly identify
the man who would be murdered by the State if we [*]
get it wrong, then it probably shouldn't execute the
man even if a jury decrees it, but just put him away and
make him inaccessible to society at large, although not
too uncomfortable. [+]
Whether all that's worth the stress on the legal system,
I for one can't say. The US's death system weirdness
is a little odd in that we allow individual states to
decide; AFAIK in most other countries who allow the death
penalty the mandate is country-wide in nature. Of course
the death penalty puts us in interesting company: China
(and Taiwan), Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Cuba,
India, and the Palestinian Authority among them.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777460.html
Some of these are friendly, some not.
Linux is of course affected to the extent that reiserfs is
in use, though not all that much directly. Should code be
disallowed or removed because of its origins? Who decides?
[*] in theory, anyway, the US government represents its people.
[+] there's a fair number of issues here, which I'd frankly
have to research. In brief, though, US prisons are
routinely tabbed as overflowing, with many of the
offenses relatively minor, such as possession of marijuana,
which is a misdemeanor or felony at the federal level,
depending on amount and whether the possessor thereof
intended to sell it.
--
#191, ewi...@earthlink.net
fortune: not found
leebossa
justification. For one thing, the justice system exists to punish the
guilty and let the innocent go free. It's not a therapy clinic to make
people feel vindicated, or justified, or better, or healed. Do we really
need to execute people so others will feel relieved? people should do
that on their own and not rely on someone else's death to bring closure.
It sometimes takes 20 years for an execution; does that mean people feel
horrible for 20 years and then on the day of execution, they wake up and
go "gee i feel better"? I doubt it...in fact, if you asked anyone i
really wonder if that happens. It's another myth...
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> [top posting moved]
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, leebossa
> <blan...@videotron.ca>
>>>
>>>
>>>
The Ghost In The Machine
<gRy6k.4434$xd....@weber.videotron.net>:
> well this whole thing about 'closure' is a pretty scanty
> justification. For one thing, the justice system exists to punish the
> guilty and let the innocent go free.
Which is the wrong solution anyway. In my opinion, the
entire reason for existence of government should be to
*prevent* criminal activity so that one doesn't have to
punish anybody -- crime simply wouldn't exist, and everyone
would be happy.
Of course, humanity being what it is, things happen,
some of them quite vicious. I don't want to be
Pollyannaish about it, after all; we are what we are,
and we have lots of evidence about how vicious our
ancestors were, and to a lesser extent how nasty some
of us are, and one can make a pretty good guess about how
gruesome some might make things be.
There are also differences of opinion. One man's crime is
another man's practical joke, in some cases (especially if
the perpetrator voluntarily returns what is taken later) --
though I think we can achieve consensus on the big ones,
such as rape, premeditated first-degree murder, and outright
fraud.
And even with those, there are corner cases -- but that's
why there are judges, to hammer out the truth given the
available evidence.
And even then, there are miscarriages -- which needs more
judges, this time in appellate courts.
> It's not a therapy clinic to make
> people feel vindicated, or justified, or better, or healed.
No, but presumably it helps. How much, I don't know.
I'm not a psychotherapist.
> Do we really
> need to execute people so others will feel relieved?
Define "need". How would one like one's sister to be
viciously attacked, murdered, and her body dumped in
a convenient dumpster, for example? Or one's uncle to
be mugged and his head blown off with a shotgun? Or his
cousin twice removed to fall victim to a defective toaster?
Or a woman to be kidnapped, beaten, raped, whipped, tortured,
killed, and dumped in a ditch, not necessarily in that order?
I could go on, and fortunately these are all hypothetical
(for starters, I don't have a sister or uncle :-) ).
But one can go to various newssites to find all too real
and all too frequent alternatives, some of them quite quite
nasty, with videos even. (There was one in particular
where a young girl was captured on a security camera being
led away by a stranger. AFAIK she was never seen again.)
The first thought that comes to my mind is vengeance, the
second justice, the third prevention.
> people should do
> that on their own and not rely on someone else's death to bring closure.
Again, people are what they are. I don't think everyone
can be quite that strong willed.
> It sometimes takes 20 years for an execution; does that mean people feel
> horrible for 20 years and then on the day of execution, they wake up and
> go "gee i feel better"? I doubt it...in fact, if you asked anyone i
> really wonder if that happens. It's another myth...
Wish I knew for sure...and in any event I deplore
executions from a human rights standpoint, and cannot
justify them from an economic one; it's cheaper to put
them away for 99 years, as I understand it. More boring
than watching them suffocate in a gas chamber or lay strapped
on a guerny while doctors push a syringe plunger, though,
especially (presumably) if one's a relative of the victim
and wants them to fry.
But put them away, inject them with drugs, drop them with
a noose, or blow their heads off after a proper trial;
feed them caviar, filet mignon, and buttered lobster in
a guilded cage, cafeteria-style food in a dingy commons
room in a prison, a mix of moldy swill and putrid waste
in a dank rat-infested dungeon while they hang by their
fingernails, or dirt in a grave six feet under; nothing
will bring Nina Reiser, Mary Jo Buttafuoco, Elisabeth
Congdon, Jon Benet Ramsey, Nicole Brown Simpson, or any
of the other hundreds of thousands if not hundreds of
millions of murder victims over the centuries back.
Of course we can't bring back Saddam Hussein, Timothy
McVeigh, Robert Alton Harris, John Spenkelink, or Benito
Mussolini back, either. (Assuming anyone wants them.)
In a sense, if a trial occurs, the system's already failed,
and is trying to recover. Execution is but one method thereof,
and probably not the best.
--
#191, ewi...@earthlink.net
Linux. Because vaporware only goes so far.