Black Dahlia murder
jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net
Was The Black Dahlia Killer," Pocket Books, paperback), went on to deal
drugs, and commit more murders. His daughter was sold into prostitution
before she escaped him by moving east. Her life was protected briefly
by a thug, probably an organized crime figure who accepted the drugs
from Knowlton, insisting that Janice not be killed or he'd kill George,
her father.
Any LAPD insiders visiting this site will possibly have seen this in the
OCID records; since the LAPD would surely have tracked the serial killer
they let continue on for the next 15 years to kill others, most likely
Geneva Ellroy, mother of author, James Ellroy, "The Black Dahlia."
Ellroy's "Georgie Tilden," looks like a thinly-disguised Georgie
Knowlton," to insiders who know who killed Short.
Lo52964
Any LAPD insiders visiting this site will possibly have seen this in the
OCID records; since the LAPD would surely have tracked the serial killer
they let continue on for the next 15 years to kill others, most likely
Geneva Ellroy, mother of author, James Ellroy, "The Black Dahlia."
Ellroy's "Georgie Tilden," looks like a thinly-disguised Georgie
Knowlton," to insiders who know who killed Short.
Yep, and he was the man on the grassy knoll too.
" Don't talk to me about justice, it is bad enough to be mixed up with the
law."
LO5 2964
Jamesetta Davis
jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net wrote:
> George Knowlton, my father, who murdered Elizabeth Short (see "I am a
> Shameless Spammer," Pocket Books, paperback), went on to deal
> drugs, and commit more murders. His daughter was sold into prostitution
> before she escaped him by moving east.
(shiver) Now she's starting to refer to herself in third person...
If you have truly moved on from your ordeal, why do you never stop
talking about it, when so many people have expressed disinterest and
disdain for your posts? Doesn't that ever sink in?
You just get creepier and creepier all the time....
Kevin Burnett
<jameset...@hotmail.com> blathered:
She's spamming ads for her book, that's why.
--
k...@catnip.org http://www.catnip.org/
"This (besides the fact that as many awards as possible were attempted to
"increase the labling" effect) proves beyond a SHADOW of a doubt that I
am the most powerful intellectual giant to ever grace usenet."
- Edmond Heinz Wollmann, in message <37B292...@bigfoot.com>
KaEfEr
<090919991529080799%jameset...@hotmail.com>:
>In article <37D7E3E3...@postoffice.pacbell.net>,
>jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net wrote:
>
>> George Knowlton, my father, who murdered Elizabeth Short (see "I am a
>> Shameless Spammer," Pocket Books, paperback), went on to deal
>> drugs, and commit more murders. His daughter was sold into prostitution
>> before she escaped him by moving east.
>
>
>(shiver) Now she's starting to refer to herself in third person...
>
>If you have truly moved on from your ordeal, why do you never stop
>talking about it, when so many people have expressed disinterest and
>disdain for your posts? Doesn't that ever sink in?
>
>You just get creepier and creepier all the time....
You ever think it is very thereputical for survivors to talk about it?
After all, we did have to keep it secret for so long. But I do admit you
shouldn't shove it into people's faces after they have asked you POLITElY
not to.
All the best,
KaEfEr
Nora Hiatt
Oh, I agree, and it was also he who kidnapped the Lindbergh baby,
most definately.
Nora
Jackmaybrk
Black Dahlia, but didn't John Gilmore and the LAPD possibly come very close to
definitively solving the Black Dahlia murder as recently as 1981?
My understanding is that Gilmore gave the LAPD evidence that put them hot on
the trail of a man named Arnold Smith, who had provided Gilmore with details
about the murder that had never been made public (though Smith did not confess
but rather attributed the murder to an individual named "Al Morrison", who has
never been found and whose existence has never been proved).
The case was still open with the LAPD in 1981 and they were in search of Smith
alive when they found him dead, the cause being from a fire in his room that
was caused when he fell asleep while smoking in his room in a vagrant motel.
I suppose that you could say that this makes Smith the "Montague John Druitt"
of the Dahlia case.
Smith, by the way, was not a "higher up" with connections in the LAPD that they
would have reason to cover up for. Like Elizabeth Short, he was a drifter.
If the story is true, the murder was committed in the house that he was living
in in 1947 at 31st and Trinity, not far from where the Dahlia's body was found
on 39th and Norton.
My source for all this, by the way, is an article written by an author named
Russell Miller and published in "The Mammoth Book of Unsolved Crimes", Carroll
& Graf Publishers (1999).
"Hi, we're the Ramseys. We're not grieving parents, but we play them on TV."
Lo52964
writes>
No one can prove who killed Short. I like the guy who repainted his car and
then the cops lost him
All of us, however should strive for the style and erudition of the below post.
" Don't talk to me about justice, it is bad enough to be mixed up with the
law."
LO5 2964
Jamesetta Davis
(KaEfEr) wrote:
> You ever think it is very thereputical for survivors to talk about it?
Yes, but not here. If she wants therapy or sympathy, she should go to
alt.support.abuse or alt.recovery. She is only asking for more abuse by
spamming alt.true-crime. So far, abuse is all she's gotten here, yet
she persists. The more she is asked to stop plugging her book, the more
she does it.
> After all, we did have to keep it secret for so long. But I do admit you
> shouldn't shove it into people's faces after they have asked you POLITElY
> not to.
Pardon me?
KaEfEr
>In article <8E3CEDB5...@news.net.ntl.com>, kae...@net.ntl.com
>(KaEfEr) wrote:
>
>> You ever think it is very thereputical for survivors to talk about it?
>>
>
>Yes, but not here. If she wants therapy or sympathy, she should go to
>alt.support.abuse or alt.recovery. She is only asking for more abuse by
>spamming alt.true-crime. So far, abuse is all she's gotten here, yet
>she persists. The more she is asked to stop plugging her book, the more
>she does it.
No, it is very thereputical no matter where it is. And why should that
bring on more abuse? If you don't want to hear what a person says, then
ignore them.
>
>> After all, we did have to keep it secret for so long. But I do admit
>> you shouldn't shove it into people's faces after they have asked you
>> POLITElY not to.
>
>Pardon me?
That was a statement partly agreeing with you. If a person is asked
POLITELY (politely being the keyword here) not to tell their story of abuse
to them any longer .. then you should not address that person who asked you
not to continue. Again if it is in a polite manner.
KaEfEr
>
Jackmaybrk
Why, thank you very much.
jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net
Nevertheless, the LAPD's false claim that the case was unsolved protects them and
gives lots of folks an alternative to playing bingo as a waste of time.
Janice Knowlton, co-author with Michael Newton of "Daddy Was The Black Dahlia
Killer," Pocket Books
jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net
with Michael Newton, it is not promotion of the book, "Daddy Was The Black
Dahlia Killer," but information posted on a site that may occasionally have a
visitor with an open mind; and more facts to share regarding the coverup which
is ongoing.
As for the bullies who believe their opinions matter and the site is "theirs",
golly, what more can I say than, I don't give a damn.
Janice Knowlton
Jamesetta Davis wrote:
> In article <8E3CEDB5...@news.net.ntl.com>, kae...@net.ntl.com
> (KaEfEr) wrote:
>
> > You ever think it is very thereputical for survivors to talk about it?
>
> Yes, but not here. If she wants therapy or sympathy, she should go to
> alt.support.abuse or alt.recovery. She is only asking for more abuse by
> spamming alt.true-crime. So far, abuse is all she's gotten here, yet
> she persists. The more she is asked to stop plugging her book, the more
> she does it.
>
jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net
out why, I refer you to the only book which is factbased, "Daddy Was the Black
Dahlia Killer," Pocket Books, by Janice Knowlton and Michael Newton.
jk
Lo52964 wrote:
> > jackm...@aol.com (Jackmaybrk)
>
> writes>
jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net
threatening letter, unless I sent him info he demanded. It was ignored. All this
just helps the LAPD in their coverup, which is explained in the book, "Daddy Was
The Black Dahlia Killer." Pocket Books by Janice Knowlton and Michael Newton.
jk
Jackmaybrk wrote:
> As far as I can tell, this hasn't come up in any of the discussions of the
> Black Dahlia, but didn't John Gilmore and the LAPD possibly come very close to
> definitively solving the Black Dahlia murder as recently as 1981?
>
> My understanding is that Gilmore gave the LAPD evidence that put them hot on
> the trail of a man named Arnold Smith, who had provided Gilmore with details
> about the murder that had never been made public (though Smith did not confess
> but rather attributed the murder to an individual named "Al Morrison", who has
> never been found and whose existence has never been proved).
>
> The case was still open with the LAPD in 1981 and they were in search of Smith
> alive when they found him dead, the cause being from a fire in his room that
> was caused when he fell asleep while smoking in his room in a vagrant motel.
>
> I suppose that you could say that this makes Smith the "Montague John Druitt"
> of the Dahlia case.
>
> Smith, by the way, was not a "higher up" with connections in the LAPD that they
> would have reason to cover up for. Like Elizabeth Short, he was a drifter.
>
> If the story is true, the murder was committed in the house that he was living
> in in 1947 at 31st and Trinity, not far from where the Dahlia's body was found
> on 39th and Norton.
>
> My source for all this, by the way, is an article written by an author named
> Russell Miller and published in "The Mammoth Book of Unsolved Crimes", Carroll
> & Graf Publishers (1999).
>
jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net
the horizon, for this additional opportunity to point news visitor to
this true crime site to the most sensationalized true crime coverup (by
the LAPD) extant. The facts are in a book, "Daddy Was The Black Dahlia
Killer," Pocket Books.
> Janice Knowlton
jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net
to report injustice wherever possible. Someone said, "justice delayed is
justice denied," and the LAPD has delayed justice in the Black Dahlia case for
over 52 years. Unfair to honest cops, the public and myself.
Janice Knowlton, co-author with Michael Newton of "Daddy Was The Black Dahlia
Killer."
P.S. Jamesetta, dear, try to get an education, okay.
wrote:
> jameset...@hotmail.com (Jamesetta Davis) wrote in
> <090919991529080799%jameset...@hotmail.com>:
>
> >In article <37D7E3E3...@postoffice.pacbell.net>,
> >jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net wrote:
> >
> >> George Knowlton, my father, who murdered Elizabeth Short (see "I am a
> >> Shameless Spammer," Pocket Books, paperback), went on to deal
> >> drugs, and commit more murders. His daughter was sold into prostitution
> >> before she escaped him by moving east.
> >
> >
> >(shiver) Now she's starting to refer to herself in third person...
> >
> >If you have truly moved on from your ordeal, why do you never stop
> >talking about it, when so many people have expressed disinterest and
> >disdain for your posts? Doesn't that ever sink in?
> >
> >You just get creepier and creepier all the time....
>
> You ever think it is very thereputical for survivors to talk about it?
> After all, we did have to keep it secret for so long. But I do admit you
> shouldn't shove it into people's faces after they have asked you POLITElY
> not to.
>
> All the best,
>
> KaEfEr
jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net
Janice Knowlton, ("Daddy Was The Black Dahlia Killer," Pocket Books)
Kevin Burnett wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:29:08 -0600, Jamesetta Davis
> <jameset...@hotmail.com> blathered:
> >In article <37D7E3E3...@postoffice.pacbell.net>,
> >jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net wrote:
> >
> >> George Knowlton, my father, who murdered Elizabeth Short (see "I am a
> >> Shameless Spammer," Pocket Books, paperback), went on to deal
> >> drugs, and commit more murders. His daughter was sold into prostitution
> >> before she escaped him by moving east.
> >
> >
> >(shiver) Now she's starting to refer to herself in third person...
> >
> >If you have truly moved on from your ordeal, why do you never stop
> >talking about it, when so many people have expressed disinterest and
> >disdain for your posts? Doesn't that ever sink in?
> >
> >You just get creepier and creepier all the time....
>
jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net
students of crime that the facts of the Black Dahlia murder are compiled and
published in "Daddy Was The Black Dahlia Killer,"Pocket Books.
jk
Kevin Burnett
<jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net> blathered:
>No, not "spamming," reporting the facts.
>
Don't EVER email me again.
Get it?
And quit spamming your crap about you ridiculous "book".
Michael Newton
>
> > No one can prove who killed Short. I like the guy who repainted his car and
> >then the cops lost him
> >
> >All of us, however should strive for the style and erudition of the below
> >post.
> >
> >>Black Dahlia, but didn't John Gilmore and the LAPD possibly come very close
> >>to
> >>definitively solving the Black Dahlia murder as recently as 1981?
> >>
> >>My understanding is that Gilmore gave the LAPD evidence that put them hot on
> >>the trail of a man named Arnold Smith, who had provided Gilmore with details
> >>about the murder that had never been made public (though Smith did not
> >>confess
> >>but rather attributed the murder to an individual named "Al Morrison", who
> >>has
> >>never been found and whose existence has never been proved).
While I missed the original post quoted here, I feel obliged to point
out its inaccuracy. Mr. Gilmore did not put LAPD "hot on the trail" of
anyone (nor have his stories of the Smith "revelations" been
consistent between 1982 and the present day). Detective John
("Jigsaw") St. John, described by LAPD as the officer in charge of the
"open" Dahlia case, retired in 1993 after repeatedly and publicly
dismissing Gilmore's "solution." This, despite the fact that Gilmore's
book portrays St. John (sans anything resembling documentation) as
being convinced of the Gilmore suspect's guilt for several decades
past. LAPD, meanwhile, continues to describe the case as unsolved, and
the coroner's file remains sealed by LAPD order, presumably for use in
the upcoming trial. (And if you believe that, please feel free to bid
on my ocean-front property in Tucson.)
mn
jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net
(i.e., the book, "Daddy Was The Black Dahlia Killer," Pocket Books, the only
true story of the murder and coverup), is not "spamming." But then, why
would he? He wasn't there for the murder. I was.
Janice Knowlton
Lo52964
LO5 2964 wrote the first bit. I pointed out that the poster was wrong. It was
just the style and general knowledge, both way higher than usua,l which I was
praising.
Jackmaybrk wrote the base post and he was asking, not telling. Another reason
that I liked it.
I won't bid on that property till the 'Big One" in CA, then it may be on the
coast.
jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net
Dahlia Killer," might be released, which would include additional proof
from cops and deputies of the coverup by LA law enforcement; I have no
news at this time. Thanks for the many messages of support; they far
outnumber the occasional annoying "gnats" who buzz me.
Janice Knowlton
Nora Hiatt
> >outnumber the occasional annoying "gnats" who buzz me.
> >
Kevin Burnett
<jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net> blathered:
>Kevin doesn't seem to know that posting information and its whereabouts
>(i.e., the book, "Daddy Was The Black Dahlia Killer," Pocket Books, the only
>true story of the murder and coverup), is not "spamming." But then, why
>would he? He wasn't there for the murder. I was.
Your repeated posting of it, over, and over, and over again *is* spam.
Don't email me again in regards to Usenet posts. EVER again.
If you want to reply to something of mine posted to Usenet, do it in
Usenet. Understand?
jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net
choose. UNDERSTAND!
jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net
foolish, but then, a gal likes to be a bit foolish now and then.
KKOJAK wrote:
> In all fairness, we should concede that janice probably has received many
> letters of support...
>
> the only problem is that she's probably written them all herself...
jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net
really be reserved only for serious people and serious cases, such as
that of the coverup of the Black Dahlia murder for over 50 years, all
detailed in the book, "Daddy Was The Black Dahlia Killer," which may be
what has set you off.
jk
jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net
gentleman who helped me research my father's past in the east, tells me
he looks forward to an updated edition with the additional proof, though
he has read the first edition, "Daddy Was The Black Dahlia Killer,
written with Michael Newton.
Anyone out there with more information that is pertinent may reach me
through this site. This post will set off the usual buzzing off flies
in the garbage can, but occasionally another piece of the coverup puzzle
comes this way.
So, like most wise people, I ignore the "children" and listen to only
those who make sense.
Janice Knowlton
Jack Clarenson
<jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:37DD1809...@postoffice.pacbell.net...
Jack Clarenson
posts? Was it because he was decieved about the facts? I have NEVER seen
him reply in a positive manner, or negative manner, about her posts.
Michael, did you believe what she was telling you at the time and just wrote
about it, or did you figure this would be a quick way to make a buck? Did
her *facts* convince you that what she was saying could possibly be the
truth?
I realize that you have to sell books to keep your livelihood.. but WHY
would you co-write a book with such an unstable partner and then just IGNORE
any attacks on the book without defending your position?
Michael, I would like to know what you REALLY think about MY DADDY WAS THE
BLACK DAHLIA KILLER and the "facts* presented therein.
Jack
KKOJAK <kko...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990913121838...@ng-fy1.aol.com...
> Janice,
>
> If you ignored the children, you wouldn't believe your own bullshit. If
you
> listened to people who made sense, you'd have to admit that you are a
shameless
> opportunist and stop this self-serving idiocy NOW.
>
> And then where would you be? You wouldn't have these wonderful
opportunities to
> promote your peculiar brand of verisimilitude, and you would have
developed a
> conscience by now.
>
> And we'd all be much happier.
>
> Janice the shameless opportunist wrote:
> >I ignore the "children" and listen to only
> >those who make sense.
>
> PS: Haven't you ever noticed that even Newton, your co-author, won't have
> anything to do with you?
>
>
KaEfEr
<fsaD3.408$d71....@news4.giganews.com>:
>I have noticed that, too. Why doesn't Michael Newton ever reply to her
>posts? Was it because he was decieved about the facts? I have NEVER seen
>him reply in a positive manner, or negative manner, about her posts.
>
>Michael, did you believe what she was telling you at the time and just wrote
>about it, or did you figure this would be a quick way to make a buck? Did
>her *facts* convince you that what she was saying could possibly be the
>truth?
>
>I realize that you have to sell books to keep your livelihood.. but WHY
>would you co-write a book with such an unstable partner and then just IGNORE
>any attacks on the book without defending your position?
>
>Michael, I would like to know what you REALLY think about MY DADDY WAS THE
>BLACK DAHLIA KILLER and the "facts* presented therein.
I second that question. Michael???
KaEfEr
KaEfEr
fy1.aol.com>:
>Oh, YOU certainly are the expert on knowing nothing, Janice.
>
>I'll tell you what I do know --you're a shameless opportunist with no regard
>for the truth. THAT is an undeniable fact.
>
>AND, if you were only foolish now and then, I wouldn't have any problem with
>you. The problem is, you're nothing but foolish.
>And you should be ashamed of yourself.
>
>Who are you going to accuse next -- Kermit the Frog?
Whewwwww.. good thing my hubby is KyRmIT the Froggy!!!!! :)
KaEfEr
KaEfEr
>Nora darling, whatever are you doing on a site like this that should
>really be reserved only for serious people and serious cases, such as
>that of the coverup of the Black Dahlia murder for over 50 years, all
>detailed in the book, "Daddy Was The Black Dahlia Killer," which may be
>what has set you off.
>
>jk
You know Janice, I would love to take you seriously but I have not seen one
post in support here. Not even by your co-author. Can you explain that,
please?
KaEfEr
KaEfEr
-fy1.aol.com>:
>KaEfEr,
>
>I wouldn't breathe a sigh of relief just yet. At the rate janice is going,
>your hubby is probably the next one to be accused.
>
>I wrote:>>Who are you going to accuse next -- Kermit the Frog?
>>
>KaEfEr wrote:>Whewwwww.. good thing my hubby is KyRmIT the Froggy!!!!! :)
>>
>>KaEfEr
>
>
>
LMAO.. I will be his alibi!!!! He has been in MY bed all the time. :)
KaEfEr
Nora Hiatt
check on Janice? The reason I'm asking is a while back two authors wrote
autobiographies about themselves that turned out to be phony.
Mike Warkne claimed to have been a high priest in a satanic cult who
turned to Christ. His books and tapes sold millions and his shows on
the Christian circuit were always sellouts. One day one of his high
schools friends was sick of the lies and informed a magazine who sent
out two investigative reporters. Needless to say, Mike Warnke is
history. See: http://www.answers.org/Satan/warnke1.html
Author Lauren Stratford wrote a book called Satan's Underground
about satanic ritual abuse that she endured as a child. She
also told how her mom "sold" her into prostitution and how she
later forced her into the career as a porn star. Her book was
a best seller, until someone got suspicious and checked her out.
Again she was proven to be a bald faced liar.
See: http://www.answers.org/Satan/SatanSideshow.html
So you see claiming to be someone you aren't and writing about it isn't
so uncommon.
How much do we really know about JK that hasn't come from her?
Nora
Sharonpo
>For those who have asked when a revised edition of "Daddy Was The Black
>Dahlia Killer," might be released, which would include additional proof
>from cops and deputies of the coverup by LA law enforcement; I have no
>news at this time. Thanks for the many messages of support; they far
>outnumber the occasional annoying "gnats" who buzz me.
>
>Janice Knowlton
>
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>> jg...@postoffice.pacbell.net
>
>>For those who have asked when a revised edition of "Daddy Was The Black
>>Dahlia Killer," might be released, which would include additional proof
>>from cops and deputies of the coverup by LA law enforcement; I have no
>>news at this time. Thanks for the many messages of support; they far
>>outnumber the occasional annoying "gnats" who buzz me.
>>Janice Knowlton
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<sniff> I'll miss her.
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