TC Anniversary:May 13,1981,what famous TC event occured on that day? Hint:Think Popester
Joe1orbit
Hello,
Way over in The Vatican, our very own 78 year old Popester, John Paul II, was
busy marking the 17 year anniversary of when he got shot. Yup, it's been 17
years already, since Mehmet Ali Agca pumped a bullet into the Popester's tummy
in St. Peter's Square. That occured on May 13, 1981. Our lucky Popester did
survive, and today he marked the anniversary by thanking everyone who had
prayed for him, after the shooting. How ridiculous! Their prayers were useless,
because the entity that they were praying to does not exist.
The Popester himself, demonstrating the pathetic irrationality of his
followers, credits the help of the virgin mary/madonna of fatima herself in
allowing him to have survived the bullet wound. Actually, he owes his life to
the fact that Mehmet had either a poor aim or an unsteady hand, and did not aim
his gun in a proper fashion, so as to hit the Popester a little bit higher, in
the chest/heart area. Popester is alive because Mehmet was a poor shooter,
simple as that. It would be more rational of the Popester to thank the pop
music star, Madonna, for having saved his life. At least the Material Girl
EXISTS and is ALIVE, unlike the virgin mary/fatima creatures, who were dead as
doornails in 1981 and could not possibly have helped the Popester in any way
since they did not exist.
Meanwhile, Mehmet remains locked up in an Italian prison. If the Popester
finds his imaginary god to be a forgiving person, then he should not just
verbally forgive Mahmet, as a useless token gesture, designed to increase his
own esteem among his brainwashed followers, which he already has done. He
should ORDER Mahmet to be freed, and declare that since he, the Popester, a
direct representative of god, forgives Mahmet, the secular judicial authorities
must immediately release him. Fact is, 17 years is a very long time for anyone
who is convicted only of ATTEMPTED murder, to serve behind bars. Mahmet
deserves to be treated, at the very least, in the same fashion as any other
person who attempts but fails, to commit murder. The high profile status of the
person he tried to kill should not be used as an excuse by society, to keep
Mehmet locked up in a cage and punitively punished, for 17+ years, when the
average prison term for an attempted murderer who fails to kill their victim is
LESS than 17 years.
Disclaimer: The act of assassination is a criminal action. This Usenet post
is made for informational purposes only, and to report the facts of a news
event. The author of this Usenet post condemns all illegal acts, and does not
advocate or condone any type of assassination attempt or action.
Take care, JOE
The following appears courtesy of today's Reuters news wire:
Emotional Pope recalls 1981 assassination attempt
By Philip Pullella
VATICAN CITY, May 13 (Reuters) - Pope John Paul on Wednesday emotionally
recalled the assassination attempt which almost killed him exactly 17 years ago
and which remains one of the 20th century's great unsolved crimes.
``I thank with all my heart those who have joined me in prayer to recall what
happened in this square precisely on May 13 of 17 years ago,'' the 77-year-old
Pontiff said to applause during his weekly general audience.
``I am truly grateful in my heart to the Madonna of Fatima,'' he said.
The Pope believes that the Madonna of Fatima, whose feast day is also
commemorated on May 13, saved his life when Turkish gunman Mehmet Ali Agca shot
him.
Another woman who perhaps helped save the Pope's life was Sara, who is now 18
years old.
Sara, 18 months at the time of the shooting, was in St Peter's Square for the
audience. When the papal jeep passed, her mother held her up to receive the
Pope's blessing.
The Pope instead picked up Sara, held her for a few seconds as the jeep moved
slowly and then returned her to her mother.
Agca's shots then rang out.
Agca, an experienced killer, later told an Italian interviewer that he was
unable to concentrate his aim on the Pope as well as he would have wanted to
because the Pontiff was holding a child in his arms as the jeep passed.
``This has left a mark on my life,'' Sara, who prefers not to give her surname,
told Italian television. ``I am known as ``the child of the Pope'' in my
hometown. It's is a bit of an honour and a bit of a burden.''
Emergency surgery saved the life of the Pope, who was hit in the abdomen and
left hand. Four pilgrims in the square were also injured.
The drama and mystery surrounding the assassination attempt resurfaced just
last week when Alois Estermann, the newly appointed head of the papal Swiss
Guard, was murdered along with his wife in the Vatican by a disgruntled
corpsman.
On May 13, 1981, Estermann, who was in plain clothes, jumped on the Pope's open
jeep to shield him from further attack.
The assassination attempt against the Pope is one of the enduring mysteries
among the great crimes of the 20th century.
It has been the subject of four investigations and three trials which have
centred on whether Agca was part of a wider conspiracy.
Agca, who was arrested in the square minutes after shooting the Pope, underwent
a first trial two months later and is still serving a life sentence which that
court handed down.
At a second trial in 1986, prosecutors failed to prove their charges that
Bulgarian secret services had hired Agca on behalf of the Soviet Union in order
stop the Pope's support for the Solidarity union in his homeland.
Solidarity was threatening the stability of the Soviet bloc and the Pope
reportedly told late Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev that if Moscow invaded
Poland he would support any resistance.
The so-called ``Bulgarian Connection'' trial ended with an ``acquittal for lack
of sufficient evidence'' of three Turks and three Bulgarians charged with
conspiring along with Agca.
The verdict, which is not equivalent to an innocent verdict, is used in Italian
courts when the jury believes there may be some elements behind the
prosecution's accusations but that they cannot be proved.
The 1986 verdict was later upheld by an appeals court.
07:31 05-13-98
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The following appears courtesy of today's Associated Press news wire:
Pope Marks Assassination Attempt
VATICAN CITY (AP) - Pope John Paul II on Wednesday marked the 17th anniversary
of the assassination attempt in which he was seriously wounded by thanking all
those who prayed for him.
The pontiff gave thanks from the same spot where he was shot in the abdomen on
May 13, 1981 - St. Peter's Square.
John Paul, who turns 78 on Monday, held his weekly general audience just as he
did 17 years earlier when the assasination attempt took place. A Turk, Mehmet
Ali Agca, is serving a life sentence in an Italian prison for the shooting.
The pope has credited the intercession of the Virgin Mary for his survival.
AP-NY-05-13-98
Carolyn
Joe1orbit on the attempted assassination of the Pope:
>
> Way over in The Vatican, our very own 78 year old Popester, John Paul
II, was
> busy marking the 17 year anniversary of when he got shot. Yup, it's been
17
> years already, since Mehmet Ali Agca pumped a bullet into the Popester's
tummy
> in St. Peter's Square. That occured on May 13, 1981. Our lucky Popester
did
> survive, and today he marked the anniversary by thanking everyone who had
> prayed for him, after the shooting. How ridiculous! Their prayers were
useless,
> because the entity that they were praying to does not exist.
I love your irreverence. What a great way to start my day!
>
> The Popester himself, demonstrating the pathetic irrationality of his
> followers, credits the help of the virgin mary/madonna of fatima herself
in
> allowing him to have survived the bullet wound. Actually, he owes his
life to
> the fact that Mehmet had either a poor aim or an unsteady hand, and did
not aim
> his gun in a proper fashion, so as to hit the Popester a little bit
higher, in
> the chest/heart area. Popester is alive because Mehmet was a poor
shooter,
> simple as that. It would be more rational of the Popester to thank the
pop
> music star, Madonna, for having saved his life. At least the Material
Girl
> EXISTS and is ALIVE, unlike the virgin mary/fatima creatures, who were
dead as
> doornails in 1981 and could not possibly have helped the Popester in any
way
> since they did not exist.
Madonna probably was on another continent, so wouldn't have been much help,
either. Even if she had been right there on the scene, do you think she
would have thrown herself on Mehmet and taken the bullet for the Pope?
(She was born a Catholic, but I doubt she remains one.)
>
> Meanwhile, Mehmet remains locked up in an Italian prison. If the
Popester
> finds his imaginary god to be a forgiving person, then he should not just
> verbally forgive Mahmet, as a useless token gesture, designed to increase
his
> own esteem among his brainwashed followers, which he already has done. He
> should ORDER Mahmet to be freed, and declare that since he, the Popester,
a
> direct representative of god, forgives Mahmet, the secular judicial
authorities
> must immediately release him.
Maybe he's just SAYING that he forgives him. Maybe every day when he wakes
up he sees once again the scars on his body from the attempt and thinks
then about all the suffering he went through and the horrible and lingering
effects of the shooting on his body. Maybe he wants revenge and hopes
Mahmet rots in jail until he dies, but is afraid to admit it to himself.
The Pope is only a man, after all.
Fact is, 17 years is a very long time for anyone
> who is convicted only of ATTEMPTED murder, to serve behind bars. Mahmet
> deserves to be treated, at the very least, in the same fashion as any
other
> person who attempts but fails, to commit murder. The high profile status
of the
> person he tried to kill should not be used as an excuse by society, to
keep
> Mehmet locked up in a cage and punitively punished, for 17+ years, when
the
> average prison term for an attempted murderer who fails to kill their
victim is
> LESS than 17 years.
I agree. Maybe Mahmet is a danger to himself and others, however. We
don't know what his state of mind might be. Maybe Italian law dictates
this treatment of Mahmet, not the Pope's exalted status as the presence of
God here on Earth.
>
> Disclaimer: The act of assassination is a criminal action. This Usenet
post
> is made for informational purposes only, and to report the facts of a
news
> event. The author of this Usenet post condemns all illegal acts, and does
not
> advocate or condone any type of assassination attempt or action.
I love this disclaimer, too. Much better than your AFL. It's so concise
and well-written. But I note that you have not actually encouraged
assassination in your rant above. So the disclaimer is, IMO, unnecessary
in this case. Don't you feel that the last sentence is a tad
contradictory, however, since you DO advocate and condone all kinds of
illegal acts, up to and most especially including murder? Reminds me of
the psychics, who always advertise their services with the disclaimer, "For
entertainment purposes only."
Joe1orbit
Joe1...@aol.com on the attempted assassination of the Pope:
>> Way over in The Vatican, our very own 78 year old Popester, John Paul
>II, was
>> busy marking the 17 year anniversary of when he got shot. Yup, it's been
>17
>> years already, since Mehmet Ali Agca pumped a bullet into the Popester's
>tummy
>> in St. Peter's Square. That occured on May 13, 1981. Our lucky Popester
>did
>> survive, and today he marked the anniversary by thanking everyone who had
>> prayed for him, after the shooting. How ridiculous! Their prayers were
>useless,
>> because the entity that they were praying to does not exist.
"Carolyn" <Car...@worldnet.att.net> Wrote:
>I love your irreverence. What a great way to start my day!
Hello,
Glad you enjoyed my post. I was not attempting to sound irreverent, merely
truthful and accurate in my commentary. But I have no objection of any kind to
having my comments seen as being irrelevent,
>> The Popester himself, demonstrating the pathetic irrationality of his
>> followers, credits the help of the virgin mary/madonna of fatima herself
>in
>> allowing him to have survived the bullet wound. Actually, he owes his
>life to
>> the fact that Mehmet had either a poor aim or an unsteady hand, and did
>not aim
>> his gun in a proper fashion, so as to hit the Popester a little bit
>higher, in
>> the chest/heart area. Popester is alive because Mehmet was a poor
>shooter,
>> simple as that. It would be more rational of the Popester to thank the
>pop
>> music star, Madonna, for having saved his life. At least the Material
>Girl
>> EXISTS and is ALIVE, unlike the virgin mary/fatima creatures, who were
>dead as
>> doornails in 1981 and could not possibly have helped the Popester in any
>way
>> since they did not exist.
>Madonna probably was on another continent, so wouldn't have been much help,
>either.
Still, it would be more rational for the Popester to at least credit an
EXISTING, living entity with having saved his life. But of course the catholic
religion, like every religion in existence, is based upon perverse and totally
ridiculous and irrational mythology and lies.
> Even if she had been right there on the scene, do you think she
>would have thrown herself on Mehmet and taken the bullet for >the Pope?
I would certainly hope that no rational human being would ever risk their own
safety or life to try and save the life of a fellow human being. Especially not
an inferior, brainwashed, and outright MALICIOUS person like the Popester, who
serves to help enslave millions of people into accepting the catholic god myth,
by acting as their "supreme leader".
>(She was born a Catholic, but I doubt she remains one.)
I've heard that in recent years she has made a few conciliatory gestures
towards the catholic church, although hopefully she has not become trapped into
actually believing in the god myth.
>> Meanwhile, Mehmet remains locked up in an Italian prison. If the
>Popester
>> finds his imaginary god to be a forgiving person, then he should not just
>> verbally forgive Mahmet, as a useless token gesture, designed to increase
>his
>> own esteem among his brainwashed followers, which he already has done. He
>> should ORDER Mahmet to be freed, and declare that since he, the Popester,
>a
>> direct representative of god, forgives Mahmet, the secular judicial
>authorities
>> must immediately release him.
>Maybe he's just SAYING that he forgives him.
You're probably right about that.
> Maybe every day when he wakes
>up he sees once again the scars on his body from the attempt and thinks
>then about all the suffering he went through and the horrible and lingering
>effects of the shooting on his body. Maybe he wants revenge and hopes
>Mahmet rots in jail until he dies, but is afraid to admit it to himself.
>The Pope is only a man, after all.
All of religion is based upon hypocrisy, myth, and the active shunning of
Truth. As a religious LEADER, the Popester is either MORE severely brainwashed
than his followers, OR he is the ultimate example of EVIL, a man who KNOWS in
his heart that god does not exist, and yet chooses to spend his life CRIPPLING
the minds of countless millions of people throughout the world, by acting as
their "supreme leader", and claiming to be a representative of god. He is
guilty of GENOCIDE, simple as that/ This one man, the Popester, has destroyed
the minds of countless millions of humans, compelling them to adopt a set of
false and downright INSANE beliefs, upon which they are obligated to base their
lives around.
>Fact is, 17 years is a very long time for anyone
>> who is convicted only of ATTEMPTED murder, to serve behind bars. Mahmet
>> deserves to be treated, at the very least, in the same fashion as any
>other
>> person who attempts but fails, to commit murder. The high profile status
>of the
>> person he tried to kill should not be used as an excuse by society, to
>keep
>> Mehmet locked up in a cage and punitively punished, for 17+ years, when
>the
>> average prison term for an attempted murderer who fails to kill their
>victim is
>> LESS than 17 years.
>I agree. Maybe Mahmet is a danger to himself and others, >however.
Maybe. But then he should have been placed in a mental institution, not in a
prison.
> We
>don't know what his state of mind might be. Maybe Italian law dictates
>this treatment of Mahmet, not the Pope's exalted status as the presence of
>God here on Earth.
I don't think that most attempted murderers in Italy, who are convicted of
trying and failing to kill ONE person, serve 17+ years in prison. Most serve
far less, and so should Mehmet.
>> Disclaimer: The act of assassination is a criminal action. This Usenet
>post
>> is made for informational purposes only, and to report the facts of a
>news
>> event. The author of this Usenet post condemns all illegal acts, and does
>not
>> advocate or condone any type of assassination attempt or >>action.
>I love this disclaimer, too. Much better than your AFL. It's so concise
>and well-written.
I am proud of all the things that I write and choose to post.
> But I note that you have not actually encouraged
>assassination in your rant above.
That is true.
> So the disclaimer is, IMO, unnecessary
>in this case.
I disagree, and I will use my disclaimer whenever I deem it appropriate.
>Don't you feel that the last sentence is a tad
>contradictory, however, since you DO advocate and condone all kinds of
>illegal acts, up to and most especially including murder?
The disclaimer is not intended for you. It is intended for other people, for
reasons of my own, based upon my brilliant understanding of how your perverse
society works. There is no point in you even reading the disclaimer, because,
like I said, it was not written for you. It is a disclaimer, a legal document,
written for other humans, for personal reasons of my own. No additional
explanation will be given.
> Reminds me of
>the psychics, who always advertise their services with the disclaimer, "For
>entertainment purposes only."
The psychics include that disclaimer for very specific reasons, and target
the disclaimer to a very specific readership. I do exactly the same thing, with
my disclaimer.
Take care, JOE
Slimpickins
Carolyn wrote:
> Joe1orbit on the attempted assassination of the Pope:
> >
> > Way over in The Vatican, our very own 78 year old Popester, John Paul
> II, was
> > busy marking the 17 year anniversary of when he got shot. Yup, it's been
> 17
> > years already, since Mehmet Ali Agca pumped a bullet into the Popester's
> tummy
> > in St. Peter's Square. That occured on May 13, 1981. Our lucky Popester
> did
> > survive, and today he marked the anniversary by thanking everyone who had
> > prayed for him, after the shooting. How ridiculous! Their prayers were
> useless,
> > because the entity that they were praying to does not exist.
>
Joe's comments snipped....
>
Joe's ending disclaimer:
> > Disclaimer: The act of assassination is a criminal action. This Usenet
> post
> > is made for informational purposes only, and to report the facts of a
> news
> > event. The author of this Usenet post condemns all illegal acts, and does
> not
> > advocate or condone any type of assassination attempt or action.
>
Carolyn replies:
> I love this disclaimer, too. Much better than your AFL. It's so concise
> and well-written. But I note that you have not actually encouraged
> assassination in your rant above. So the disclaimer is, IMO, unnecessary
> in this case. Don't you feel that the last sentence is a tad
> contradictory, however, since you DO advocate and condone all kinds of
> illegal acts, up to and most especially including murder? Reminds me of
> the psychics, who always advertise their services with the disclaimer, "For
> entertainment purposes only."
**** You're on a roll Carolyn :}! Since JoeOrbit's soul is dead {his words
not mine}, it's no wonder{to me} he has no grasp on the things that are not
seen. What a narrow and small world he has imposed upon himself! IMO, the
"After-Life" is where the soul goes after death. Not the body, but the SOUL.
An analogy I could compare "life after death" to is....., imagine that you've
had a complete stoke, people believe that you are dead, since you can't respond
in any way. You can't even blink, and you are breathing so lightly that you've
been pronounced dead, but you aren't! You can still think, and go over your
life and you still feel like you can talk, and you do, in your mind, "What has
happened?" etc. That's {in a way} what I imagine Really dying is like. Only I
believe and hope that I'll have other "Alive" souls around me to converse
with.., I'll Never be alone. Family that has already died will be "with" me,
friends, and all of my deceased pets. Yet I'll also have beautiful scenery and
music, and feel wonderful, and live Forever, In My Soul. Thanks be to Jesus!
But if a person like {sad} Joe, who is already in the "living" world, and yet
is "soul dead", then IMO, he'll go to the place where he already is....to Hell
of his own making.
Joe1orbit
Carolyn wrote:
>
>> Joe1orbit on the attempted assassination of the Pope:
Joe1...@aol.com Wrote:
Slimpickins <mca...@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> Wrote:
>**** You're on a roll Carolyn :}! Since JoeOrbit's soul is dead {his words
>not mine}, it's no wonder{to me} he has no grasp on the things that are not
>seen.
Hello,
Yes, my soul is very dead. Stone cold dead. Murdered, in fact. And my dead
soul allows me to see the Truth about your pathetic society.
I have a brilliantly insightful grasp of all Truths. I do not see gravity,
but gravity does exist. I do not see god, and I know with certainty that god
does not exist.
> What a narrow and small world he has imposed upon himself!
I have chosen to embrace the Truth. Embracing the Truth is a difficult, often
painful thing to do. And yet I proudly do it. I bathe in the glorious glow of
Truth. And I pity you and your fellow humans, who cling to your perverse, yet
comforting, lies and myths.
>IMO, the
>"After-Life" is where the soul goes after death. Not the body, but >the SOUL.
Your opinion is based upon the fact that you are irrational and mentally ill,
but no MORE so than the society that created you.
>An analogy I could compare "life after death" to is....., imagine that you've
>had a complete stoke, people believe that you are dead, since you can't
>respond
>in any way. You can't even blink, and you are breathing so lightly that
>you've
>been pronounced dead, but you aren't! You can still think, and go over your
>life and you still feel like you can talk, and you do, in your mind, "What
>has
>happened?" etc.
Your brain is alive in the above scenario.
> That's {in a way} what I imagine Really dying is like.
Then you are insane. Because death involves the cessation of all brain
activity, which equals nothingness for all of eternity. But go ahead, cling to
your pathetic myth. And if it comforts you, I don't even begrudge you that
comfort.
> Only
>I
>believe and hope that I'll have other "Alive" souls around me to converse
>with.., I'll Never be alone.
Your choice to believe in a ridiculous myth, that has no basis in Truth or
rationality, speaks for itself. The amazing thing is that you can't appreciate
the fact that your "beliefs" are examples of clinical insanity.
> Family that has already died will be "with" me,
>friends, and all of my deceased pets.
Yes, it's a very comforting myth. Your society has made it so easy for you to
spend you life clutching this gloriously comforting myth. I don't blame you in
any way, for your weakness. I blame only your society, of which you are a
victim. I begrudge you none of the comfort that your myth provides you with. I
simply point out the Truth, in my posts.
>Yet I'll also have beautiful scenery
>and
>music, and feel wonderful, and live Forever, In My Soul. Thanks be to Jesus!
Marvelous Myth. Congratulations, you've bought the entire myth, hook, line,
and sinker. Why not make the ridiculous myth PERFECT? I can't blame you for
making it perfect. If you're going to create a ridiculous myth for yourself,
why not make it as perfect as passible?
>But if a person like {sad} Joe, who is already in the "living" world, and yet
>is "soul dead", then IMO, he'll go to the place where he already is....to
>Hell
>of his own making.
I will go to EXACTLY the same place that you will go when you die, Inferior
One. And that is the place of Nothingness for all of Eternity. That's not my
opinion, that is a FACT, based upon THE Truth. Not based upon MY Truth, but
based upon the UNIVERSAL laws of Truth.
Take care, JOE
Slimpickins
Joe1orbit wrote:
> >> > Way over in The Vatican, our very own 78 year old Popester, John Paul II,
> was busy marking the 17 year anniversary of when he got shot. Yup, it's been17
> years already, since Mehmet Ali Agca pumped a bullet into the Popester's tummy in
> St. Peter's Square. That occured on May 13, 1981. Our lucky popester did survive,
> and today he marked the anniversary by thanking everyone who had prayed for him,
> after the shooting. How ridiculous! Their prayers were useless, because the
> entity that they were praying to does not exist.
> Joe's ending disclaimer:
>
> > Disclaimer: The act of assassination is a criminal action. This Usenet post
> is made for informational purposes only, and to report the facts of a news event.
> The author of this Usenet post condemns all illegal acts, and does not advocate
> or condone any type of assassination attempt or action.
>
> Carolyn replies:
> >
> I love this disclaimer, too. Much better than your AFL. It's so concise and
> well-written. But I note that you have not actually encouraged assassination in
> your rant above. So the disclaimer is, IMO, unnecessary in this case. Don't
> you feel that the last sentence is a tad contradictory, however, since you DO
> advocate and condone all kinds of illegal acts, up to and most especially
> including murder? Reminds me of the psychics, who always advertise their
> services with the disclaimer, "For
> >> entertainment purposes only."
>
> Slimpickins <mca...@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> Wrote:
>
> >**** You're on a roll Carolyn :}! Since JoeOrbit's soul is dead {his words not
> mine}, it's no wonder{to me} he has no grasp on the things that are not seen.
>
Joe responds: Yes, my soul is very dead. Stone cold dead. Murdered, in fact. And
my dead soul allows me to see the Truth about your pathetic society. I have a
brilliantly insightful grasp of all Truths. I do not see gravity, but gravity does
exist. I do not see god, and I know with certainty that god does not exist.
> Slimpickins:
> > What a narrow and small world he has imposed upon himself!
>
> Joe: I have chosen to embrace the Truth. Embracing the Truth is a difficult,
> often painful thing to do. And yet I proudly do it. I bathe in the glorious glow
> of Truth. And I pity you and your fellow humans, who cling to your perverse, yet
> comforting, lies and myths.
>
Slim: IMO, the"After-Life" is where the soul goes after death. Not the body, but
the SOUL.
> Joe: Your opinion is based upon the fact that you are irrational and mentally
> ill, but no MORE so than the society that created you.
>
> Slim: An analogy I could compare "life after death" to is....., imagine that
> you've had a complete stoke, people believe that you are dead, since you can't
> respond in any way. You can't even blink, and you are breathing so lightly that
> you've been pronounced dead, but you aren't! You can still think, and go over
> your
> >life and you still feel like you can talk, and you do, in your mind, "What has
> happened?" etc.
>
> Joe: Your brain is alive in the above scenario.
>
> > That's {in a way} what I imagine Really dying is like.
>
> Then you are insane. Because death involves the cessation of all brain
> activity, which equals nothingness for all of eternity. But go ahead, cling to
> your pathetic myth. And if it comforts you, I don't even begrudge you that
> comfort.
>
>
> Slim: Only I believe and hope that I'll have other "Alive" souls around me to
> converse with.., I'll Never be alone.
>
> Joe {once more with feeeelling:} : Your choice to believe in a ridiculous myth,
> that has no basis in Truth or rationality, speaks for itself. The amazing thing
> is that you can't appreciate the fact that your "beliefs" are examples of
> clinical insanity. ***Me {NOW}: Pot, kettle, black!!
> >
Slim: Family that has already died will be "with" me, friends, and all of my
deceased pets.
> Joe: Yes, it's a very comforting myth. Your society has made it so easy for you
> to spend you life clutching this gloriously comforting myth. I don't blame you in
> any way, for your weakness. I blame only your society, of which you are a victim.
> I begrudge you none of the comfort that your myth provides you with. I simply
> point out the Truth, in my posts.
>
> Slimpickins: Yet I'll also have beautiful scenery and music, and feel wonderful,
> and live Forever, In My Soul. Thanks be to Jesus!
>
> Joe: Marvelous Myth. Congratulations, you've bought the entire myth, hook, line,
> and sinker. Why not make the ridiculous myth PERFECT? I can't blame you for
> making it perfect. If you're going to create a ridiculous myth for yourself, why
> not make it as perfect as passible?
>
> Slim: But if a person like {sad} Joe, who is already in the "living" world, and
> yet is "soul dead", then IMO, he'll go to the place where he already is....to the
> Hell of his own making.
>
> Joe: I will go to EXACTLY the same place that you will go when you die, Inferior
> One. And that is the place of Nothingness for all of Eternity. That's not my
> opinion, that is a FACT, based upon THE Truth. Not based upon MY Truth, but based
> upon the UNIVERSAL laws of Truth. Take care, JOE
******Okay, okay, Joe! Geezz, everybody is soooo touchy here and now, You
included! Look, a person does NOT have to be brain dead to be in a coma or stroke.
Obviously, I believe that even with no brain waves, that my soul will/shall {God
willing} continue on forever, but it's not my intent to debate "religion" w/ you.
Hey, either you believe in Jesus, or a higher power, or you don't. Fine. Yet, I
personally know what it's like to Not be able to move, or speak, and yet I Could
think, very well, and All to clearly. This experience happened almost 20 years ago
and I've never had a experience like it again, Thank God. But it made me realize
how quickly our lives can change for no apparent reason. No doctor knew what the
heck was wrong with me, or why it happened. That's the gist of the story. The
experience lasted maybe an hour.
I hope that you Try to open your mind, because in my experience, you don't know
what will happen to you tommorow, so how can a person know that when they die they
just rot in the ground{?}. Factually Yes, a persons body will rot {unless you
happen to be a divine, special, saint. Not me :}!, but not their soul! After all,
it is MY belief that a person's Soul is what makes them human {And its the one
thing "science" can't figure out on paper and prove, but "I" know it's true} . And
depending on the "shape" or "condition" of a persons soul, they will either go to a
dark, black space, or a light-filled, joyous, space. In a nut shell, it's our
choice. And because I believe in Jesus Christ, I am promised that my soul will have
everlasting life after my body has expired and is long gone.Thanks be to God! YOU
take care Joe. Truely, Slim
Joe1orbit
Joe1...@aol.com wrote:
Slimpickins <mca...@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> Wrote:
Slimpickins <mca...@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> Wrote:
***Me {NOW}: Pot, kettle, black!!
Hello Slim,
No, my beliefs may be full of rage and hate and malicious venom, but they are
totally rational and perfectly sane.
>******Okay, okay, Joe!
You chose to address me in your comments, and I replied.
> Geezz, everybody is soooo touchy here and now, You
>included!
I'm not touchy, I simply try to express the truth clearly. I only engaged you
in dialogue because you chose to invoke me and my name in your post.
> Look, a person does NOT have to be brain dead to be in a coma or
>stroke.
Alive is alive. Dead is dead. Dead equals nothingness for all of eternity. A
brain dead person is not dead.
>Obviously, I believe that even with no brain waves, that my soul will/shall
>{God
>willing} continue on forever, but it's not my intent to debate "religion" w/
>you.
I fully respect your right to believe in your irrational myth. And I
certainly don't want to debate religion with you, because that would be
absolutely pointless and a waste of all our time.
>Hey, either you believe in Jesus, or a higher power, or you >don't. Fine.
Thank you. I don't.
>Yet, I
>personally know what it's like to Not be able to move, or speak, and yet I
>Could
>think, very well, and All to clearly.
You were alive, luckily.
> This experience happened almost 20
>years ago
>and I've never had a experience like it again, Thank God.
Being alive and healthy is better than being dead or sick or injured.
>But it made me
>realize
>how quickly our lives can change for no apparent reason.
Of course that is 100% true. I could die today. I could become paralyzed
today. That has no bearing upon the universality of Truth. Truth does not
change, only the ability or desire of individual humans to accept the Truth, is
open to change.
>No doctor knew what
>the
>heck was wrong with me, or why it happened. That's the gist of the story. The
>experience lasted maybe an hour.
Interesting. Glad you recovered. Your experience indicates nothing of any
religious value. But if you chose or choose to attach some type of religious
significance to the event, so be it. I don't care. Believe at will, it's of no
concern to me what myths you choose to believe in.
> I hope that you Try to open your mind, because in my experience, you don't
>know
>what will happen to you tommorow, so how can a person know that when they die
>they
>just rot in the ground{?}.
My mind is as open right now as it ever will be. The above analogy is once
again demonstrative of an IRRATIONAL mind, that is unable to think things
through in a sane fashion. I don't know what will happen tomorrow, and yet I am
100% certain of exactly what I will experience upon death, which is Nothingness
for all of Eternity. I use my ability to insightful and rational mind to
recognize Truth, in the above statements. Your statements indicate flawed
thought patterns, irrationality, and an inability to form logical and truthful
conclusions.
> Factually Yes, a persons body will rot {unless
>you
>happen to be a divine, special, saint. Not me :}!, but not their >soul!
If your get your body cryogenically frozen upon death, it will not rot. That
is my advice to those who seek an afterlife, get yourself cryogenically frozen
immediately after death.
The soul of a person resides in their brain. Once brain activity ceases, the
soul dies along with all other parts of the body and mind, and ceases to exist
for all of eternity.
>After all,
>it is MY belief that a person's Soul is what makes them human {And its the
>one
>thing "science" can't figure out on paper and prove, but "I" know it's true}
>.
Go ahead, cling to your irrational myths. It's of no concern to me.
> And
>depending on the "shape" or "condition" of a persons soul, they will either
>go to a
>dark, black space, or a light-filled, joyous, space.
See above.
> In a nut shell, it's our
>choice.
Ha! What a glorious sentence. How perfectly you mirror the pathetic human
trait in which individuals believe they can control their destiny. Your choice
is to get eaten by worms, or cryogenically frozen. If you get eaten by worms,
there is a ZERO percent chance that you will experience anything for the rest
of eternity. If you get cryogenically frozen, there is a 1 in 100,000,000
chance that you might experience something, in 500-5000 years, if you can be
successfully revived. You are DOOMED. Doomed to NEVER EXIST, on any level, once
you die. But if you lack the courage to accept this Truth, so be it. Like I
said, I don't care.
>And because I believe in Jesus Christ, I am promised that my soul
>will have
>everlasting life after my body has expired and is long gone.Thanks be to God!
It's so sad. Truth is spat upon. And you have the FULL support of your
society in your irrational and insane beliefs. That is the TRUE CRIME. The true
crime is that your society is responsible for, and serves to encourage,
facilitate, and enable, your delusional mental illness. You are a victim, and
should be seen as such. Only priests and pastors and societal leaders who KNOW
the truth, and yet still continue to preach the god myth, are overtly EVIL and
malicious. You are a SINCERE believer in the god myth, and that makes you
nothing more that a tragic victim of society, worthy of compassion and
understanding, not condemnation.
>YOU
>take care Joe.
I always do.
Take care, JOE
>Truely, Slim
MZ
I do not usually agree with Joe, but after reading 'Slimpickin's)
description of the 'after life' - gimme Joe's anytime.
What horror, your definition and description of life after death, urgh!
What a ridiculous and disgusting 'vision' of everlife.
Please, if there is an after life as you describe, where do I sign up to
forfeit mine?
I rather there be no re - incarnation or whatever, thank you very much. Give
me eternal sleep, I want death and no more. You have scared the s* out of me
now, with your - "family and everything nice-while you lay there as if in a
coma" - help, noooooooo.
I am going to have a very disturbing sleep tonight, thanks to you, no need
to tell you what my nightmare will be.
Merc
Slimpickins wrote in message <355BB354...@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>...
>
>
>Joe1orbit wrote:
>
>> Slimpickins <mca...@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> Wrote:
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Joe1orbit
"MZ" <be...@vip.hotkey.net.au> Wrote:
>I do not usually agree with Joe, but after reading 'Slimpickin's)
>description of the 'after life' - gimme Joe's anytime.
>What horror, your definition and description of life after death, urgh!
>What a ridiculous and disgusting 'vision' of everlife.
>
>Please, if there is an after life as you describe, where do I sign up to
>forfeit mine?
>I rather there be no re - incarnation or whatever, thank you very much. Give
>me eternal sleep, I want death and no more. You have scared the s* out of me
>now, with your - "family and everything nice-while you lay there as if in a
>coma" - help, noooooooo.
>I am going to have a very disturbing sleep tonight, thanks to you, no need
>to tell you what my nightmare will be.
>
>Merc
Hello Merc,
Interesting post. All rational humans know that there is no "afterlife", so
that issue isn't really worthy of discussion. But the fact is, IF there WAS an
afterlife, no matter how HORRIFIC it might be, I would always choose it, over
Nothingness for all of Eternity. IMO, if you possess the ability to think about
Truth and Life in a rational fashion, you realize than NOTHING is worse than to
experience Nothingness for all of Eternity. You can argue that since you don't
exist, you "experience" nothing upon death, and so the "nothingness" is not
traumatic, since you are unaware of it. It certainly is true that you are
totally unaware of ALL things, for all of eternity, once you die. But that does
not diminish the FACT that NOT EXISTING for all of eternity is the single most
horrific fate that WILL befall ALL of us, no matter what lies or myths we might
choose to comfort ourselves with, while alive.
But I will always embrace the Truth, with courage and insight, and never
accept any lies or myths. Any afterlife is better than no afterlife. But
unfortunately there is no such thing as an afterlife.
Hope you didn't have any serious nightmares. IMO, Slim was only trying to
feed us a comforting vision. He/she finds their particular vision of the
afterlife to be comforting, and so he tried to share it with us. But what
comforts one person can horrify another, no doubt about that.
Take care, JOE
Slimpickins
MZ wrote:
> I do not usually agree with Joe, but after reading 'Slimpickin's)
> description of the 'after life' - gimme Joe's anytime.
> What horror, your definition and description of life after death, urgh!
> What a ridiculous and disgusting 'vision' of everlife.
>
> Please, if there is an after life as you describe, where do I sign up to
> forfeit mine?
> I rather there be no re - incarnation or whatever, thank you very much. Give
> me eternal sleep, I want death and no more. You have scared the s* out of me
> now, with your - "family and everything nice-while you lay there as if in a
> coma" - help, noooooooo.
> I am going to have a very disturbing sleep tonight, thanks to you, no need
> to tell you what my nightmare will be.
>
> Merc
>
> Slimpickins wrote in message ...all snipped..
>
*****Gee thanks for the compliment merc! Different strokes for different
folks! Sweet dreams, Slim
>