googling for N.O. rape victims
Michael Snyder
The phrase "new orleans rape victim" gets one, but it's about Blanche
DuBois.
"Katrina rape victim" gets none.
Well let's see... "rape crisis ceneter" gets well over half a million hits.
Add "New Orleans" as a separate search key, and it's down to 21 thousand,
but the first dozen (presumably the highest relevance) contain no mention
of the recent disaster. Add in "Katrina", we're down to 256 hits.
Lessee... first few are random... ah! Here's something!
The Louisiana Foundation Against Sexual Assault has a page
titled "Louisiana Rape Relief: Help for Victims of Hurricane
Katrina". Hey, surely this must include information about
victims coming into or at least contacting this organization,
or its sister organizations, for help and counsel. Right?
Wrong. Just more repetitions of the theory that lots of women
were raped. "By now we have all heard about hurricane evacuees
being raped in emergency shelters. These most vulnerable people,
seeking only shelter, food, water, and safety, became victims of a
devastating crime of personal violence."
I'm pretty sure that if they could confirm these stories because
the victims were now showing up and telling their stories,
they would have said so in no uncertain terms.
rjr...@aol.com
Michael Snyder wrote:
> The phrase "superdome rape victim" gets zero hits.
Are you sure? I just tried it and there were quite a few.
carm...@gmail.com
Michael Snyder wrote:
> The phrase "superdome rape victim" gets zero hits.
> The phrase "new orleans rape victim" gets one, but it's about Blanche
> DuBois.
> "Katrina rape victim" gets none.
That horse has been dead for a while. It's very apparent by now that
the early reports of mass rapes and murders were wrong. I think there
may well have been some rapes - the sheer number of people involved
would mitigate towards that possibility in even normal times - but not
the horrible numbers we'd been lead to think early on in the news
reports.
I'm glad.
Carmen
Trianna
Michael Snyder wrote:
> The phrase "superdome rape victim" gets zero hits.
The NYT article mentions two individuals by name--Lt. Banelli of the NO
sex crimes unit, who on 9/8 "told a CNN correspondent, Drew Griffin,
that his division had reports of two attempted rapes at the Superdome."
It also discusses Greta Van Susteren's interview with a Dr. Charles
Burnell who was providing emergency care at the Superdome, who said
"Well, we had several murders. We had three murders last night. We had
a total of six rapes last night."
I don't know if either of those people are speaking accurately.
However, it doesn't seem ridiculous for the news media to report their
allegations. Why not call Lt. Banelli's office and see if the sex
crimes unit has any more information?
T.
carm...@gmail.com
"Well, we had several murders. We had three murders last night. We had
were three or four murders. There were half a dozen rapes that night,"
he told Ms. Van Susteren. (Dr. Burnell did not return several calls
asking for comment.)"
The same article (dated September 19) has the casualty numbers for the
convention center (7) and the Superdome (10) according to the coroner.
One person from the convention center was known to have died by
violence. As we saw on TV, many of those who died were elderly people
who just couldn't endure the conditions. Simple math shows that Dr.
Burnell's "three murders last night" plus "three or four murders" on
the previous day at the Superdome just doesn't wash.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/19/business/media/19carr.html
Carmen
Mary
"Michael Snyder" <msn...@socmen.org> wrote in message
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> The phrase "superdome rape victim" gets zero hits.
???? I just googled it and got a ton of stuff
ronniecat
promised to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth
but instead wrote:
>
>"Michael Snyder" <msn...@socmen.org> wrote in message
>news:sQVXe.86$a3....@typhoon.sonic.net...
>> The phrase "superdome rape victim" gets zero hits.
>
>???? I just googled it and got a ton of stuff
Maybe Mike had his Google soc.men filter on :)
ronnie
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carm...@gmail.com
ronniecat wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:55:06 -0400, "Mary" <plain...@yahoo.com>
> promised to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth
> but instead wrote:
>
> >
> >"Michael Snyder" <msn...@socmen.org> wrote in message
> >news:sQVXe.86$a3....@typhoon.sonic.net...
> >> The phrase "superdome rape victim" gets zero hits.
> >
> >???? I just googled it and got a ton of stuff
>
> Maybe Mike had his Google soc.men filter on :)
>
it in quotation marks. No suprise he didn't find it though. It'd be
an awkward piece of writing even if there were lots of reported rapes.
I can't imagine a news outlet referring to someone like that. It'd
make them sound like some sort of side show attraction. Ick.
Carmen
ronniecat
the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth but instead
wrote:
>ronniecat wrote:
>> Maybe Mike had his Google soc.men filter on :)
>>
>Naw, he Googled the phrase, just like he said. That means he enclosed
>it in quotation marks. No suprise he didn't find it though. It'd be
>an awkward piece of writing even if there were lots of reported rapes.
>I can't imagine a news outlet referring to someone like that. It'd
>make them sound like some sort of side show attraction. Ick.
Bleah!
Yeah, that'd do it all right.
I know this is awful but your last sentence made me LOL...
Mary
<carm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I kinda figured that is what he did. It takes a lot of maneuvering, but
apprently it is possible to get google to tell you what you want to hear.
Next time, he should google on "victims rape superdome ." Maybe it's
possible for google to return a NEGATIVE number of hits.
mary.
Trianna
carm...@gmail.com wrote:
> Trianna wrote:
> > Michael Snyder wrote:
> > > The phrase "superdome rape victim" gets zero hits.
> >
> > The NYT article mentions two individuals by name--Lt. Banelli of the NO
> > sex crimes unit, who on 9/8 "told a CNN correspondent, Drew Griffin,
> > that his division had reports of two attempted rapes at the Superdome."
> >
> > It also discusses Greta Van Susteren's interview with a Dr. Charles
> > Burnell who was providing emergency care at the Superdome, who said
> > "Well, we had several murders. We had three murders last night. We had
> > a total of six rapes last night."
> >
> > I don't know if either of those people are speaking accurately.
> > However, it doesn't seem ridiculous for the news media to report their
> > allegations. Why not call Lt. Banelli's office and see if the sex
> > crimes unit has any more information?
> >
> Dr. Burnell is no longer in a talkative mood:
> "Well, we had several murders. We had three murders last night. We had
> a total of six rapes last night. We had the day before I think there
> were three or four murders. There were half a dozen rapes that night,"
> he told Ms. Van Susteren. (Dr. Burnell did not return several calls
> asking for comment.)"
I agree that he well may have been talking out of his ass when he was
talking with van Susteren, but we don't really have any way of knowing,
nor did van Susteren at the time.
> The same article (dated September 19) has the casualty numbers for the
> convention center (7) and the Superdome (10) according to the coroner.
> One person from the convention center was known to have died by
> violence. As we saw on TV, many of those who died were elderly people
> who just couldn't endure the conditions. Simple math shows that Dr.
> Burnell's "three murders last night" plus "three or four murders" on
> the previous day at the Superdome just doesn't wash.
Yeppers. I think it's quite likely that Burnell didn't know what he
was talking about, now that we have more information. However, I don't
think that people who took Burnell at his word ***at the time*** were
operating from some kind of anti-male agenda.
Similarly, I think that the only way to verify whether or not New
Orleans law enforcement actually received any rape complaints during
the Katrina aftermath would be by checking directly with them. Not all
criminal complaints make it to the newspapers under the best of
circumstances, after all.
T.
Nancy Rudins
Google is a very useful tool, but it's not The Word Handed Down From
Mount Sinai. Also, the dearth of official information on rapes and
attempted rapes doesn't mean some didn't happen. Lots of rapes go
unreported, and I'm betting other things happened in the Superdome
that went unreported.
Kind regards,
Nancy
--
Flame War is over ... if you want it.
Nancy Rudins nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/People/nrudins
carm...@gmail.com
Huh? I've never speculated on agenda. Perhaps others have. The wild
tales have done irreparable damage to the reputation of the evacuees as
a group though. I suspect Burnell just took what he heard as the truth
and repeated it as such without malice.
> Similarly, I think that the only way to verify whether or not New
> Orleans law enforcement actually received any rape complaints during
> the Katrina aftermath would be by checking directly with them. Not all
> criminal complaints make it to the newspapers under the best of
> circumstances, after all.
Lt. Dave Banelli of the NO sex crimes unit (see in thread above) was
one of the police officers on duty in the Superdome during the period
in question. He's already reported two attempted rapes, with the perps
taken into custody.
Carmen
Michael Snyder
<rjr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Michael Snyder wrote:
> > The phrase "superdome rape victim" gets zero hits.
>
> Are you sure? I just tried it and there were quite a few.
Yes, I'm sure. I said the phrase, not the words.
You have to put it in quotes, otherwise you'll get
every web page that contains each of those words,
even if they're in separate paragraphs.
I just tried it again -- zero hits.
Michael Snyder
"Trianna" <triann...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Michael Snyder wrote:
> > The phrase "superdome rape victim" gets zero hits.
>
> The NYT article mentions two individuals by name--Lt. Banelli of the NO
> sex crimes unit, who on 9/8 "told a CNN correspondent, Drew Griffin,
> that his division had reports of two attempted rapes at the Superdome."
Yeah, but we've *ALL* had those reports. The question is,
did he get those reports from the *victims*. Otherwise, it's
just more rumor.
Michael Snyder
>
> carm...@gmail.com wrote:
> > The same article (dated September 19) has the casualty numbers for the
> > convention center (7) and the Superdome (10) according to the coroner.
> > One person from the convention center was known to have died by
> > violence. As we saw on TV, many of those who died were elderly people
> > who just couldn't endure the conditions. Simple math shows that Dr.
> > Burnell's "three murders last night" plus "three or four murders" on
> > the previous day at the Superdome just doesn't wash.
>
> Yeppers. I think it's quite likely that Burnell didn't know what he
> was talking about, now that we have more information. However, I don't
> think that people who took Burnell at his word ***at the time*** were
> operating from some kind of anti-male agenda.
Never said they were. All I said was that the rapes
were rumors, and were being sensationalistically
reported as fact.
> Similarly, I think that the only way to verify whether or not New
> Orleans law enforcement actually received any rape complaints during
> the Katrina aftermath would be by checking directly with them. Not all
> criminal complaints make it to the newspapers under the best of
> circumstances, after all.
Or -- we can read what they are directly quoted as saying,
eg. that they have no confirmed reports of rape at the superdome
or convention center.
Michael Snyder
"ronniecat" <ronn...@mycollar.ronniecat.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:55:06 -0400, "Mary" <plain...@yahoo.com>
> promised to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth
> but instead wrote:
>
> >
> >"Michael Snyder" <msn...@socmen.org> wrote in message
> >news:sQVXe.86$a3....@typhoon.sonic.net...
> >> The phrase "superdome rape victim" gets zero hits.
> >
> >???? I just googled it and got a ton of stuff
>
> Maybe Mike had his Google soc.men filter on :)
Maybe Mike knows the difference between googling
for the PHRASE (in quotes) "superdome rape victim",
and the individual WORDS. It is not interesting to find
a ton of pages where the three words are used separately.
Michael Snyder
> > On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:55:06 -0400, "Mary" <plain...@yahoo.com>
> > promised to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth
> > but instead wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Michael Snyder" <msn...@socmen.org> wrote in message
> > >news:sQVXe.86$a3....@typhoon.sonic.net...
> > >> The phrase "superdome rape victim" gets zero hits.
> > >
> > >???? I just googled it and got a ton of stuff
> >
> > Maybe Mike had his Google soc.men filter on :)
> >
> Naw, he Googled the phrase, just like he said. That means he enclosed
> it in quotation marks. No suprise he didn't find it though. It'd be
> an awkward piece of writing even if there were lots of reported rapes.
It wouldn't be awkward if there were a real, specific individual.
"Superdome rape victim Jane Doe was quoted as saying 'I
was raped at the Superdome'."
"Louisiana rape counselling centers have seen a huge influx
of superdome rape victims".
> I can't imagine a news outlet referring to someone like that. It'd
> make them sound like some sort of side show attraction. Ick.
Nonsense. And I tried any number of other phrases that might
be used to refer to a real, known, existing individual victim.
If you can think of better ones, toss 'em out.
The fact is that we know of ABSOLUTELY NO confirmed
specific individuals who were raped at the superdome.
You know how strident those rape-victim advocacy groups are.
If they had victims in hand, do you think they would be keeping
quiet about it?
Michael Snyder
"Nancy Rudins" <nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:11j2mmq...@news.supernews.com...
Nancy, if even one victim shows up at a women's shelter or
rape victims advocacy group, you know we will hear about it.
Heard of any?
As for unreported rapes, those are discussed in terms of
a percentage of reported rapes. If you have ZERO reported
rapes, then any unreported ones are sheer speculation.
All of which completely begs the point -- which is that all
of the rapes we ARE hearing about are nothing but rumor.
carm...@gmail.com
In my opinion it's awkward. YMMV
I'd use "confirmed rapes" "substantiated rapes" and the singulars.
That'd cover cases, victims and suspects.
> The fact is that we know of ABSOLUTELY NO confirmed
> specific individuals who were raped at the superdome.
>
> You know how strident those rape-victim advocacy groups are.
> If they had victims in hand, do you think they would be keeping
> quiet about it?
I'm not arguing that there have been. It's possible in a group of
people that large that one or more rapes happened - as they might have
under ordinary circumstances. One woman has come forward saying she
was raped, Charmaine Neville. For some reason, my gut isn't
comfortable with her story. Ironic perhaps but true. She appears to
have bypassed any and all more normal steps and gone straight to
"healed" in the healing process and that's setting off an alarm bell.
Normally I'll give people the benefit of the doubt far past the point I
probably ought to. I was dead ass *wrong* when I kept telling Tiny
that the feds were just getting ready and they'd be along any moment at
the beginning of the Katrina miseries in NO. Couldn't have been more
wrong if I'd tried. Charmaine Neville isn't tripping my Pollyanna
heartstrings. That takes some doing.
Carmen
tiny dancer
<carm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
snipped>
I was dead ass *wrong* when I kept telling Tiny
> that the feds were just getting ready and they'd be along any moment at
> the beginning of the Katrina miseries in NO. Couldn't have been more
> wrong if I'd tried. Charmaine Neville isn't tripping my Pollyanna
> heartstrings. That takes some doing.
> Carmen
I hope you understood Carmen, I was only concerned about all those poor
people. It didn't seem as though things were *progressing* as they should
after a hurricane.
td
>
carm...@gmail.com
Of course. I really thought that help was imminent. Ha. Our family's
personal disaster plan is undergoing a complete revamp in light of the
revelation that Uncle Sam is a doddering fool in the realm of disaster
relief for Americans. No more the 3 to 4 day complete self sufficiency
plan. Nope. Minimum one month self sufficiency plan.
Carmen
Michael Snyder
<carm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Michael Snyder wrote:
> > <carm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1127261165....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Nonsense. And I tried any number of other phrases that might
> > be used to refer to a real, known, existing individual victim.
> > If you can think of better ones, toss 'em out.
>
> In my opinion it's awkward. YMMV
> I'd use "confirmed rapes" "substantiated rapes" and the singulars.
> That'd cover cases, victims and suspects.
OK. Don't worry about the singulars, google's smart about that.
* "new orleans" "confirmed rapes"
- a wikipedia page discussing the fact that there aren't any
- a statement that "unfortunately all the stories ... are true",
based on the unsubstantiated claim of two confirmed rapes
near LSUS.
- a claim of four confirmed superbowl rapes -- from a
white supremacy group.
* "new orleans" "substantiated rapes"
- Eddie Compass says they don't have any.
And that's basically it for that phrase.
> I'm not arguing that there have been. It's possible in a group of
> people that large that one or more rapes happened - as they might have
> under ordinary circumstances.
Fine -- and you know that that is completely different from
what we are discussing. That's "background radiation",
not "nuclear melt-down".
Michael Snyder
"Bart Bailey" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:43316a59...@bart.spawar.mil...
> In Message-ID:<11j2mmq...@news.supernews.com> posted on Wed, 21 Sep
> 2005 03:06:44 -0500, Nancy Rudins wrote: Begin
>
> > and I'm betting other things happened in the Superdome
> >that went unreported.
>
> I'd say that's a good bet.
We're not discussing the unreported == we're discussing
the reported that didn't happen.
tiny dancer
<carm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yup, dh always plans on enough for all our family. In the winter he buys
cases and cases of those fire logs to give to the kids in case of ice
storms, cases of bottled water, and now we even have our own generator with
a couple five gallon cans for fuel. Usually the kids and families migrate
to our house to weather things out. The morning after the last ice storm,
we had both our grills going outside cooking food from our freezer. The
guys huddled over them while watching for falling, ice-laden tree branches.
;) Might have to check into purchasing some of those MRE's.
Just heard on TV that they are allowing people to take their pets with them
in this current evacuation. Great news.
td
>
Nancy Rudins
No, and I wouldn't because they generally withhold the clients'
names.
But that's not what you were asking about. You asked about
official police reports. Not everyone who shows uop at a
women's shelter or rape victim advocacy group reports the
crime to the police.
Kind regards,
Nancy
> As for unreported rapes, those are discussed in terms of
> a percentage of reported rapes. If you have ZERO reported
> rapes, then any unreported ones are sheer speculation.
>
> All of which completely begs the point -- which is that all
> of the rapes we ARE hearing about are nothing but rumor.
>
>
>
>
ronniecat
13:50:21 GMT "Michael Snyder" <msn...@socmen.org> wrote:
>It wouldn't be awkward if there were a real, specific individual.
>
>"Superdome rape victim Jane Doe was quoted as saying 'I
>was raped at the Superdome'."
>
>"Louisiana rape counselling centers have seen a huge influx
>of superdome rape victims".
>
>> I can't imagine a news outlet referring to someone like that. It'd
>> make them sound like some sort of side show attraction. Ick.
>
>Nonsense. And I tried any number of other phrases that might
>be used to refer to a real, known, existing individual victim.
>If you can think of better ones, toss 'em out.
Did you try "rapes at the Superdome"? In quotes?
Because I did and got 166 hits on Google Web and 86 in Google News.
How about "raped at the Superdome"? In quotes.
628 hits on Google Web and 2 on Google News.
I've been right there beside you researching and debunking the
second-hand reports of unverified rapes and murders, but this game is
silly and pointless. We'll probably find out in about three weeks,
when things settle down a bit, if rapes were reported to authorities
or not and how many.
ronnie
--
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ronniecat
>"ronniecat" <ronn...@mycollar.ronniecat.com> wrote in message
>news:h271j1tqtgbfac7rh...@4ax.com...
>> Maybe Mike had his Google soc.men filter on :)
>
>Maybe Mike knows the difference between googling
>for the PHRASE (in quotes) "superdome rape victim",
>and the individual WORDS.
Excellent! I hope you'll appreciate my post earlier in this thread
where I mention googling on phrases in quotes and the results I got,
then :)
ronnie
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Scorpi...@attnospam.net
<nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>But that's not what you were asking about. You asked about
>official police reports. Not everyone who shows uop at a
>women's shelter or rape victim advocacy group reports the
>crime to the police.
>
>Kind regards,
>Nancy
Yep. I'd say for every rumor of rape there were likely 3 to 5 rapes
that were unreported. Probably more, but I'll be conservative here.
--
Scorp
It appears that the money has been moved in the
president’s budget to handle homeland security and the war
in Iraq, and I suppose that’s the price we pay.
Nobody locally is happy that the levees can’t be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us.
-- Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; New Orleans Times-Picayune, June 8, 2004.
http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002331.html
Nancy Rudins
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 05:09:07 -0500, Nancy Rudins
> <nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>
>>But that's not what you were asking about. You asked about
>>official police reports. Not everyone who shows uop at a
>>women's shelter or rape victim advocacy group reports the
>>crime to the police.
>>
>>Kind regards,
>>Nancy
>
>
> Yep. I'd say for every rumor of rape there were likely 3 to 5 rapes
> that were unreported. Probably more, but I'll be conservative here.
That sounds reasonable to me.
Kind regards,
Nancy
carm...@gmail.com
tiny dancer wrote:
> <carm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1127313789....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > tiny dancer wrote:
> > > <carm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1127312224....@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > snipped>
> > >
> > > I was dead ass *wrong* when I kept telling Tiny
> > > > that the feds were just getting ready and they'd be along any moment
> at
> > > > the beginning of the Katrina miseries in NO. Couldn't have been more
> > > > wrong if I'd tried. Charmaine Neville isn't tripping my Pollyanna
> > > > heartstrings. That takes some doing.
> > > > Carmen
> > >
> > >
> > > I hope you understood Carmen, I was only concerned about all those poor
> > > people. It didn't seem as though things were *progressing* as they
> should
> > > after a hurricane.
> >
> > Of course. I really thought that help was imminent. Ha. Our family's
> > personal disaster plan is undergoing a complete revamp in light of the
> > revelation that Uncle Sam is a doddering fool in the realm of disaster
> > relief for Americans. No more the 3 to 4 day complete self sufficiency
> > plan. Nope. Minimum one month self sufficiency plan.
> Yup, dh always plans on enough for all our family. In the winter he buys
> cases and cases of those fire logs to give to the kids in case of ice
> storms, cases of bottled water, and now we even have our own generator with
> a couple five gallon cans for fuel. Usually the kids and families migrate
> to our house to weather things out. The morning after the last ice storm,
> we had both our grills going outside cooking food from our freezer. The
> guys huddled over them while watching for falling, ice-laden tree branches.
> ;) Might have to check into purchasing some of those MRE's.
The food in full stand alone freezers will stay good for quite a while
as long as they aren't opened a lot. In winter, the nice thing is you
can often count on the ambient outside temps to preserve food as long
as you're careful about storage containers and you know what the temps
are. :-)
MREs are good, but nowadays you can get a lot of off-the-shelf foods
that are already cooked and shelf stable, like the rice dishes in the
pouches that can be boiled in the bag, and the precooked ground beef
and the pasta dishes (lasagna comes to mind) and chili in a pouch, not
to mention the tuna and chicken and ham. For emergency rations they
are a decent choice at less than the cost of MREs. Add UHT milk to the
list. Just be sure to rotate your stock in and out and buy stuff you
eat. Practice making meals with the stuff you buy and store. There's
a lot more but I ought to get back to stripping wallpaper. I *hate*
friggin' wallpaper. That and friggin' popcorn ceilings.
Carmen
tiny dancer
<carm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> tiny dancer wrote:
> > <carm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1127313789....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> The food in full stand alone freezers will stay good for quite a while
> as long as they aren't opened a lot. In winter, the nice thing is you
> can often count on the ambient outside temps to preserve food as long
> as you're careful about storage containers and you know what the temps
> are. :-)
Yeah, when hurricane fran came through here, we didn't lose any food from
our freezer, and it was hot as hell here at the time too. Of course we kept
the freezer closed up tight, except to add a bag or two of ice as it became
available. I learned to keep plastic jugs filled with water frozen in our
freezer to use for ice chests too. We have a large chest freezer, so
there's plenty of room to stick containers of water in there and freeze it,
for ice in a pinch, until the trucks come with it. For once we were in the
fortunate group who got power restored rather early in the process. We were
only out about four days, and then able to store some friends food in our
freezer once our power came back on.
> MREs are good, but nowadays you can get a lot of off-the-shelf foods
> that are already cooked and shelf stable, like the rice dishes in the
> pouches that can be boiled in the bag, and the precooked ground beef
> and the pasta dishes (lasagna comes to mind) and chili in a pouch, not
> to mention the tuna and chicken and ham. For emergency rations they
> are a decent choice at less than the cost of MREs. Add UHT milk to the
> list. Just be sure to rotate your stock in and out and buy stuff you
> eat. Practice making meals with the stuff you buy and store.
Thanks for all the good ideas. I've never eaten any of that 'bagged food'.
I'll have to buy some and give it a try. Sounds like good stuff to keep on
hand and buy some extra's for the kids too. :)
There's
> a lot more but I ought to get back to stripping wallpaper. I *hate*
> friggin' wallpaper. That and friggin' popcorn ceilings.
>
> Carmen
We don't have popcorn ceilings, but I spent most of yesterday stripping wall
paper from my pantry cabinet shelving. We're redoing the kitchen and I want
to paint that pantry. Why oh why did I think it was a great idea to use
wallpaper to line all the shelves. :( Best of luck on the stripping.
It's a nasty job.
td
tiny dancer
And I hardly think there are any *staffed* women's shelters in New Orleans
right now. The city is in shambles. There aren't even any functioning
hospitals, are there?
td
Cliff and Linda Griffith
news:1127322215.9...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> MREs are good, but nowadays you can get a lot of off-the-shelf foods
> that are already cooked and shelf stable, like the rice dishes in the
> pouches that can be boiled in the bag, and the precooked ground beef
> and the pasta dishes (lasagna comes to mind) and chili in a pouch, not
> to mention the tuna and chicken and ham. For emergency rations they
> are a decent choice at less than the cost of MREs. Add UHT milk to the
> list. Just be sure to rotate your stock in and out and buy stuff you
> eat. Practice making meals with the stuff you buy and store. There's
> a lot more but I ought to get back to stripping wallpaper. I *hate*
> friggin' wallpaper. That and friggin' popcorn ceilings.
>
> Carmen
What I worry about is cooking/warming the stuff: I have an electric
stovetop, oven, and microwave. When I bought my 5 or 6 cans of provisions
for Y2K, I tried to get canned goods that wouldn't be too nasty served
straight from the can. Of course, *I* can eat sardines and smoked oysters
and do quite well, but I'm the only one in my family who will. I'm happy to
see that so many companies have pull-top cans now; and shrimp, tuna, and
maybe chicken come in pouches that "tear-open". I suppose I would really
appreciate that room-temp Dinty Moore Beef Stew, if push came to shove.
(Carmen, you *are* using that spray or roll-on wallpaper-stripper, aren't
you? Just apply it liberally, wait a few minutes, and the paper pulls off
in sheets...with the help of one of those little sharp-edged "spatulas" from
Home Depot/Lowe's.)
Linda
tiny dancer
"Cliff and Linda Griffith" <grif...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:zOhYe.916$L45...@fe07.lga...
> <carm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1127322215.9...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > MREs are good, but nowadays you can get a lot of off-the-shelf foods
> > that are already cooked and shelf stable, like the rice dishes in the
> > pouches that can be boiled in the bag, and the precooked ground beef
> > and the pasta dishes (lasagna comes to mind) and chili in a pouch, not
> > to mention the tuna and chicken and ham. For emergency rations they
> > are a decent choice at less than the cost of MREs. Add UHT milk to the
> > list. Just be sure to rotate your stock in and out and buy stuff you
> > eat. Practice making meals with the stuff you buy and store. There's
> > a lot more but I ought to get back to stripping wallpaper. I *hate*
> > friggin' wallpaper. That and friggin' popcorn ceilings.
> >
> > Carmen
>
> What I worry about is cooking/warming the stuff: I have an electric
> stovetop, oven, and microwave. When I bought my 5 or 6 cans of provisions
> for Y2K, I tried to get canned goods that wouldn't be too nasty served
> straight from the can. Of course, *I* can eat sardines and smoked oysters
> and do quite well, but I'm the only one in my family who will. I'm happy
to
> see that so many companies have pull-top cans now; and shrimp, tuna, and
> maybe chicken come in pouches that "tear-open". I suppose I would really
> appreciate that room-temp Dinty Moore Beef Stew, if push came to shove.
Don't you have a fireplace, Linda? Years ago, when we had an ice storm
while the kids were still young, my neighbor and I cooked hot dogs, beans,
and marshmellows over the fireplace to feed all our kids. She had four and
I had three kids. We stuck an old pot right up on the logs to warm the
beans, and the kids cooked their weenies over the fire. They thought it was
great fun. ;) An adventure.
But seriously, we don't worry about the cooking when we lose power. We use
our grill outside. You can cook just about anything on the grill that you
can cook on a stove. In the summertime when the power is out, I miss the
A.C., and in the winter time, of course the fireplace only heats the room
it's in, so we all huddle in the family room. Luckily it's a big room,
about 14 by 24 ft., so it isn't too bad to all gather in there. Now the
bathroom was like a freezer. I thought my heiny was going to freeze to the
seat a few times. But we have a gas water heater, so we could take hot
showers. ;)
td
ronniecat
<tinyd...@hotmail.com> promised to tell the truth, the whole truth
and nothing but the truth but instead wrote:
>Don't you have a fireplace, Linda? Years ago, when we had an ice storm
>while the kids were still young, my neighbor and I cooked hot dogs, beans,
>and marshmellows over the fireplace to feed all our kids.
Ewww! The beans and weiners sounds yummy but I'd have asked you to
hold the marshmallows :)
>the kids cooked their weenies over the fire.
!!
That's it. I'll get me coat.
ronnie (apparently in an altogether too silly mood to read td's posts
this evening)
--
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Cliff and Linda Griffith
news:18jYe.63$cT...@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> Don't you have a fireplace, Linda?
>
Yeah, we do, with a gas lighter...and we also have a gas grill outside. I
guess I just don't think of those things when I consider emergencies. I had
a chimneysweep clean our chimney once, years ago, and he said we shouldn't
use the fireplace until we got it repaired....and "by the way", his company
did that type of work! I told Cliff, and the first thing he did was light a
fire in the fireplace. We really don't use the fireplace at all (except for
that time), 'cause we depend on the central heat and air. An emergency
might change our ways, though.
Linda
ronniecat
promised to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth
but instead wrote:
>In Message-ID:<9st2j1puvf1kh2j3o...@4ax.com> posted on
>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:13:12 GMT, ronniecat wrote: Begin
>
>>We'll probably find out in about three weeks,
>>when things settle down a bit, if rapes were reported to authorities
>>or not and how many.
>
>But then there's a difference between
>a reported rape and a report of a rape
>we might as well get used to never knowing for sure
Peoples' mileage will vary; I know that what will 'count' for me is a
reported rape. In other words, if LE says that X people reported to
police that they, the complainant, were raped in the Superdome or
Convention Center, filed a police report, I'll consider that a
verified reported rape. And I think it'll take a few weeks before
paperwork is filed and centralized in the current situation.
I do hope that some accredited reporters follow up on this story and
ask the pertinent questions; having someone call the NOPD from
"alt.true-crime" for a report will not be terribly effective I fear :)
ronnie
--
address altered to foil spambots - remove mycollar to reply
"I try to be cynical, but it's so hard to keep up." - Lily Tomlin
carm...@gmail.com
tiny dancer wrote:
> > MREs are good, but nowadays you can get a lot of off-the-shelf foods
> > that are already cooked and shelf stable, like the rice dishes in the
> > pouches that can be boiled in the bag, and the precooked ground beef
> > and the pasta dishes (lasagna comes to mind) and chili in a pouch, not
> > to mention the tuna and chicken and ham. For emergency rations they
> > are a decent choice at less than the cost of MREs. Add UHT milk to the
> > list. Just be sure to rotate your stock in and out and buy stuff you
> > eat. Practice making meals with the stuff you buy and store.
>
> Thanks for all the good ideas. I've never eaten any of that 'bagged food'.
> I'll have to buy some and give it a try. Sounds like good stuff to keep on
> hand and buy some extra's for the kids too. :)
The pre-cooked rice dishes that just need 90 seconds in the microwave,
or can be boiled to warm in their pouch were well received when we went
camping. DH liked them so much we got them so he could use them on a
regular basis (I forego starches for the sake of good blood sugar
levels). He liked the Uncle Ben's chicken flavor, but it comes in
others, including good old Uncle Ben's Converted regular and Brown rice
too. Those would make good meal bases with vegetables and meat or fish
and sauce. Oh, and they have that already cooked bacon too that
doesn't have to be refrigerated. Some of the brands of tortillas have
a long shelf life (few months), just rotate them through.
There are lots of good old fashioned canned foods too - along with some
things that just make me shake my head. Green bean casserole now comes
in a can, ready made. How hard is that stuff to throw together? Just
sad.
When I get my new "list o' stuff in case it hits the fan" done I'll
send it to you. We bought a house that has a storm shelter, so ours
will look like we're prepped for WWIII, but there should be some good
ideas for you to cull.
> There's
> > a lot more but I ought to get back to stripping wallpaper. I *hate*
> > friggin' wallpaper. That and friggin' popcorn ceilings.
>
> We don't have popcorn ceilings, but I spent most of yesterday stripping wall
> paper from my pantry cabinet shelving. We're redoing the kitchen and I want
> to paint that pantry. Why oh why did I think it was a great idea to use
> wallpaper to line all the shelves. :( Best of luck on the stripping.
> It's a nasty job.
The pinheads we bought the house from put one layer of wallpaper over
the paper backing that they didn't bother to remove from a previous
layer of wallpaper we found traces of in the kitchen. I get to fight
two layers of glued on papery crap. (The same thing happened in our
daughter's bedroom when we did that room, except the second layer of
paper was intact.) When we took the baseboard molding off we found out
that the hardwood floor was put down over another hardwood floor.
It'll be worth it when I'm done to have nice walls and a nice smooth
ceiling but right now I'd like to smack the prior owners. They just
half-assed so many things...
We're redoing our kitchen pretty seriously too. The wallpaper is being
stripped, ceiling scraped and both painted. The cabinet doors and
drawer fronts are all being replaced, and the drop-in stove was ripped
out and my smoothtop put where the fridge is and the fridge moved. A
micro-hood will go over my stove, the countertop microwave will leave,
the hole where the drop-in stove was will become two drawers and two
cupboards. I'll frame out the space for the new drawers and cupboards
and strip and refinish the frames while I wait for the doors and drawer
fronts to be made (custom order, all hard maple). I'm going to do a
light stain with a glaze over that and then seal it. I adore stone
countertops, but there's no way I can justify the kind of money they
want for solid slab so I'm going to do a stone tile countertop.
Between the space gained by going to a micro-hood and the removal of
the drop-in stove and relocation of my smoothtop stove I'm gaining 8
square feet of counter space as well as solving the problem of the
left-handed kitchen when I'm a righty. It's gonna be great. :-) I'm
also going to remove the ceiling fan and the hanging light fixture my
husband keeps bopping his head on and go with some recessed task
lighting and a nice flushmount fixture.
What are you doing to your kitchen? How fierce a redo?
Carmen
flick
news:1127339993....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
<huge snips>
> The pinheads we bought the house from ...
Oh, say no more.
When our shed collapsed in Katrina, it pushed over our hot water heater and
broke the pipes.
It took me most of my spare time in 2 days, and five trips to the hardware
store, to re-do the in and out water pipes to the thing.
At which point I was nearly homicidal towards whoever did that plumbing.
flick 100785
carm...@gmail.com
Cliff and Linda Griffith wrote:
> <carm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1127322215.9...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > MREs are good, but nowadays you can get a lot of off-the-shelf foods
> > that are already cooked and shelf stable, like the rice dishes in the
> > pouches that can be boiled in the bag, and the precooked ground beef
> > and the pasta dishes (lasagna comes to mind) and chili in a pouch, not
> > to mention the tuna and chicken and ham. For emergency rations they
> > are a decent choice at less than the cost of MREs. Add UHT milk to the
> > list. Just be sure to rotate your stock in and out and buy stuff you
> > eat. Practice making meals with the stuff you buy and store. There's
> > a lot more but I ought to get back to stripping wallpaper. I *hate*
> > friggin' wallpaper. That and friggin' popcorn ceilings.
>
> stovetop, oven, and microwave. When I bought my 5 or 6 cans of provisions
> for Y2K, I tried to get canned goods that wouldn't be too nasty served
> straight from the can. Of course, *I* can eat sardines and smoked oysters
> and do quite well, but I'm the only one in my family who will. I'm happy to
> see that so many companies have pull-top cans now; and shrimp, tuna, and
> maybe chicken come in pouches that "tear-open". I suppose I would really
> appreciate that room-temp Dinty Moore Beef Stew, if push came to shove.
A propane camping stove might be something to consider purchasing for
emergencies. If you get one practice with it ahead of time so you're
comfortable using it. We camp so we've got that as well as a butane
stove - they're faster. :-)
> (Carmen, you *are* using that spray or roll-on wallpaper-stripper, aren't
> you? Just apply it liberally, wait a few minutes, and the paper pulls off
> in sheets...with the help of one of those little sharp-edged "spatulas" from
> Home Depot/Lowe's.)
Oh, you mean Dif, used after scoring the paper with the Paper Tiger and
then easily scraped off with the scraper made by the same folks? See,
that's for ordinary wallpaper, put on with ordinary wallpaper paste by
nonpinheads. So is my wallpaper steamer. I think these people used
Superglue. In an hour I got a whopping two square feet cleared using
the Power Steamer and scraping for all I was worth (along with liberal
cursing, which makes any physical exertion more potent - well known
fact). I appreciate the tip, but there were pinheads involved here.
:-)
Carmen
carm...@gmail.com
You've got all my sympathy. Plumbing can be dicey at the best of
times. If Buford T. Goober was the one who did the work you're
following behind it's got to be a nightmare.
Carmen
carm...@gmail.com
Bart Bailey wrote:
> In Message-ID:<1127313789....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
> posted on 21 Sep 2005 07:43:09 -0700, carm...@gmail.com wrote: Begin
>
> >Minimum one month self sufficiency plan.
>
> with their years worth plan?
Even if you're kidding, it sounds a lot less excessive than it used to
to me.
Carmen
rjr...@aol.com
Michael Snyder wrote:
> <rjr...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1127232463.0...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Michael Snyder wrote:
> > > The phrase "superdome rape victim" gets zero hits.
> >
>
> Yes, I'm sure. I said the phrase, not the words.
> You have to put it in quotes, otherwise you'll get
> every web page that contains each of those words,
> even if they're in separate paragraphs.
Nope, I've been using Google for several years and pretty much know how
that works. I made sure the leads after hitting search put the words
together instead of just finding the three words in various parts of
the article. There was still several hits.
>
> I just tried it again -- zero hits.
>
> >
> > > The phrase "new orleans rape victim" gets one, but it's about Blanche
> > > DuBois.
> > > "Katrina rape victim" gets none.
> > >
> > > Well let's see... "rape crisis ceneter" gets well over half a million
> hits.
> > > Add "New Orleans" as a separate search key, and it's down to 21
> thousand,
> > > but the first dozen (presumably the highest relevance) contain no
> mention
> > > of the recent disaster. Add in "Katrina", we're down to 256 hits.
> > >
> > > Lessee... first few are random... ah! Here's something!
> > > The Louisiana Foundation Against Sexual Assault has a page
> > > titled "Louisiana Rape Relief: Help for Victims of Hurricane
> > > Katrina". Hey, surely this must include information about
> > > victims coming into or at least contacting this organization,
> > > or its sister organizations, for help and counsel. Right?
> > >
> > > Wrong. Just more repetitions of the theory that lots of women
> > > were raped. "By now we have all heard about hurricane evacuees
> > > being raped in emergency shelters. These most vulnerable people,
> > > seeking only shelter, food, water, and safety, became victims of a
> > > devastating crime of personal violence."
> > >
> > > I'm pretty sure that if they could confirm these stories because
> > > the victims were now showing up and telling their stories,
> > > they would have said so in no uncertain terms.
> >
tiny dancer
<carm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1127341677.4...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
snipped>
> Oh, you mean Dif, used after scoring the paper with the Paper Tiger and
> then easily scraped off with the scraper made by the same folks? See,
> that's for ordinary wallpaper, put on with ordinary wallpaper paste by
> nonpinheads. So is my wallpaper steamer. I think these people used
> Superglue. In an hour I got a whopping two square feet cleared using
> the Power Steamer and scraping for all I was worth (along with liberal
> cursing, which makes any physical exertion more potent - well known
> fact). I appreciate the tip, but there were pinheads involved here.
> :-)
>
> Carmen
That's why when I wallpapered, I always looked for fabric-backed paper.
That damn paper stuff was mean to get off. The fabric backed peeled right
off in big pieces.
td
>
tiny dancer
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:13:29 -0400, "tiny dancer"
> <tinyd...@hotmail.com> promised to tell the truth, the whole truth
> and nothing but the truth but instead wrote:
>
> >Don't you have a fireplace, Linda? Years ago, when we had an ice storm
> >while the kids were still young, my neighbor and I cooked hot dogs,
beans,
> >and marshmellows over the fireplace to feed all our kids.
>
> Ewww! The beans and weiners sounds yummy but I'd have asked you to
> hold the marshmallows :)
The marshmallows were an after though, from the kids. Once they realized
they were cooking weenies on sticks, of course they thought of toasting
marshmallows for dessert! I can see the way I said it previously, it
sounded like one dish, but it wasn't. ;)
>
> >the kids cooked their weenies over the fire.
>
> !!
>
> That's it. I'll get me coat.
Heehehehehehe, you can tell all mine were girls. Their only *weenies* were
the Oscar Meyers on the sticks. ;>
>
> ronnie (apparently in an altogether too silly mood to read td's posts
> this evening)
C'mon, you should know by now td says things a bit 'ass-end backwards'
sometimes. ;-)
td
tiny dancer
"Bart Bailey" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:4336c7c0...@bart.spawar.mil...
> In Message-ID:<bBeYe.8368$Ew4....@bignews5.bellsouth.net> posted on
> Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:03:22 -0400, tiny dancer wrote: Begin
>
> > Might have to check into purchasing some of those MRE's.
> >
them
> >in this current evacuation. Great news.
>
> probably a lot tastier than a MRE,
> when TSHTF <g>
>
> --
>
> Bart
*SMACK*
td
tiny dancer
<carm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1127339993....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
snipped>
When I get my new "list o' stuff in case it hits the fan" done I'll
> send it to you. We bought a house that has a storm shelter, so ours
> will look like we're prepped for WWIII, but there should be some good
> ideas for you to cull.
Great, I'd appreciate that!
snipped>
We took out a wall so far, more an open floor plan type arrangement. Right
now we are sanding the cabinets and painting them. Our cabinets are all
solid wood, so I didn't want to rip them out and replace them, plus they go
all the way up to the ceiling without the soffet above. I wanted white
cabinets with the doors a bit of an almond color. Sort of a shades of
different white tones. I'm painting the cabinets inside and out. Want to
replace the window in the dining area, not sure with what yet. Been
thinking of a bay window or french doors. Dh put lots of those wire basket
drawers in the cabinets for me. Then we'll rip out the counter tops. I'm
thinking of quartz to replace them, with a farmhouse sink for sure. I hate
these double sinks. Both sides too small to be of any use at all. We had a
hutch with glass doors that we had built into the wall we ripped out, so we
are going to relocate that and double it's size on a different wall, a bit
more customized this time. That china cabinet/hutch was the first thing dh
built years ago. So now that he's got more tools and I've got more ideas,
hopefully this one will be neater. ;) When we are all done with the work,
then we are going to have hardwood floors laid throughout the living room,
dining area and kitchen, as it will all be kind of connected now. Oh yeah,
and I want to redo all the woodwork/moldings. I want us to make it
ourselves, like it is in older homes. You know, not a single piece of
molding along the floor, but a three pieced thingie. The flat piece along
the wall, with the shoe molding and then a fancy top piece. I really enjoy
doing stuff like that, being able to design and fix things just the way I
want them by doing it ourselves.
Your's sounds like it's really going to be nice when it's all done. Sounds
like you too like to design it and create it just the way you want! Oh
yeah, I'm doing some of those undercabinet lights too, you putting some of
those in? We'll have to bounce ideas off each other. ;-)
td
>
Michael Snyder
"Nancy Rudins" <nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:11j2ts6...@news.supernews.com...
> Michael Snyder wrote:
> > Nancy, if even one victim shows up at a women's shelter or
> > rape victims advocacy group, you know we will hear about it.
> > Heard of any?
> >
>
> No, and I wouldn't because they generally withhold the clients'
> names.
Did I say we would hear her NAME? I don't think I did...
I said we would HEAR ABOUT IT. You don't think the
rape advocates would be shouting about how many
superbowl rape victims they had? Even when there are
published newspaper articles questioning whether any
rapes at all occurred there?
I do.
Michael Snyder
> Recklessly waiving the right to remain silent, on Wed, 21 Sep 2005
> 13:50:21 GMT "Michael Snyder" <msn...@socmen.org> wrote:
>
> >It wouldn't be awkward if there were a real, specific individual.
> >
> >"Superdome rape victim Jane Doe was quoted as saying 'I
> >was raped at the Superdome'."
> >
> >"Louisiana rape counselling centers have seen a huge influx
> >of superdome rape victims".
> >
> >> I can't imagine a news outlet referring to someone like that. It'd
> >> make them sound like some sort of side show attraction. Ick.
> >
> >be used to refer to a real, known, existing individual victim.
> >If you can think of better ones, toss 'em out.
>
> Did you try "rapes at the Superdome"? In quotes?
No -- because I'm looking for something other than rumors.
Like a victim. A victim would be a little reality check,
don't you think? Notice how there aren't many? If any?
> Because I did and got 166 hits on Google Web and 86 in Google News.
Yeah -- and were any of them confirmed?
> How about "raped at the Superdome"? In quotes.
Good -- you have confirmed that there were a lot of RUMORED
rapes at the Superdome -- which we already knew.
Michael Snyder
> In Message-ID:<9st2j1puvf1kh2j3o...@4ax.com> posted on
> Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:13:12 GMT, ronniecat wrote: Begin
>
> >We'll probably find out in about three weeks,
> >when things settle down a bit, if rapes were reported to authorities
> >or not and how many.
>
> But then there's a difference between
> a reported rape and a report of a rape
> we might as well get used to never knowing for sure
Nonsense. If there were as many rapes as rumors,
SOME victims would come forward. If *no* victims
come forward, the only people who are "not sure"
will be people who were determined to believe the
rumors in the first place.
Michael Snyder
> Recklessly waiving the right to remain silent, on Wed, 21 Sep 2005
> 13:45:32 GMT "Michael Snyder" <msn...@socmen.org> wrote:
>
> >"ronniecat" <ronn...@mycollar.ronniecat.com> wrote in message
>
> >> Maybe Mike had his Google soc.men filter on :)
> >
> >for the PHRASE (in quotes) "superdome rape victim",
> >and the individual WORDS.
>
> Excellent! I hope you'll appreciate my post earlier in this thread
> where I mention googling on phrases in quotes and the results I got,
> then :)
Yeah, but I wasn't googling for rumors, I was googling for victims.
Michael Snyder
<Scorpi...@attNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:8hv2j11fh1isvqi83...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 05:09:07 -0500, Nancy Rudins
> <nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> >But that's not what you were asking about. You asked about
> >official police reports. Not everyone who shows uop at a
> >women's shelter or rape victim advocacy group reports the
> >crime to the police.
> >
> >Kind regards,
> >Nancy
>
> that were unreported.
You can say the moon is covered in cow shit -- doesn't make it true.
Michael Snyder
> Scorpi...@attNOSPAM.net wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 05:09:07 -0500, Nancy Rudins
> > <nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>But that's not what you were asking about. You asked about
> >>official police reports. Not everyone who shows uop at a
> >>women's shelter or rape victim advocacy group reports the
> >>crime to the police.
> >>
> >>Kind regards,
> >>Nancy
> >
> >
> > Yep. I'd say for every rumor of rape there were likely 3 to 5 rapes
>
> That sounds reasonable to me.
It would...
Michael Snyder
>
> And I hardly think there are any *staffed* women's shelters in New Orleans
> right now. The city is in shambles. There aren't even any functioning
> hospitals, are there?
The business owners are coming back. The bartenders are
coming back. Are you saying that the feminists are less
dedicated than the bartenders? That they care less about
rape victims than the bartenders care about drinkers?
Michael Snyder
<rjr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Michael Snyder wrote:
> > <rjr...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:1127232463.0...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Michael Snyder wrote:
> > > > The phrase "superdome rape victim" gets zero hits.
> > >
> > > Are you sure? I just tried it and there were quite a few.
> >
> > Yes, I'm sure. I said the phrase, not the words.
> > You have to put it in quotes, otherwise you'll get
> > every web page that contains each of those words,
> > even if they're in separate paragraphs.
>
> Nope, I've been using Google for several years and pretty much know how
> that works. I made sure the leads after hitting search put the words
> together instead of just finding the three words in various parts of
> the article. There was still several hits.
Yeah?
> > I just tried it again -- zero hits.
Well post the links, 'cause I ***STILL*** get zero hits.
Andrys Basten
>DuBois.
You're narrowing your search to exact words
of your choice and saying you can't find
anything on this.
It obliterates articles
with "raped" for one thing.
For a google search that'll get you what
you say you wwant to find, just put in
superdome rape
or try
"convention center" rape
(to keep important phrase 'convention center' together)
In the meantime, while you were gone I posted
that the New Orleans SWAT Team Captain (Captain Winn)
stated that his own policemen reported to
him that a number of women had been dragged off
and gang-raped and that murders were occurring.
This is within a long article I found on
The NY Times after listening to the reporter/writer
on PBS radio earlier that night.
Judging from what I've read of your gut responses
to the hurricane aftermath and your strong sense of
right and wrong, I think you'll find the long article
pretty interesting.
Bo relied more on someone in higher office
saying there were no confirmations of the rapes
but saying also that there was not much time
to check all these out.
- Andrys
--
http://www.andrys.com
carm...@gmail.com
tiny dancer wrote:
> Your's sounds like it's really going to be nice when it's all done. Sounds
> like you too like to design it and create it just the way you want! Oh
> yeah, I'm doing some of those undercabinet lights too, you putting some of
> those in? We'll have to bounce ideas off each other. ;-)
You sound like you're doing an even more fierce reno than we are, what
with the wall demo and all. I'd been toying with that level of reno,
but it's really not practical right now. As far as undercabinet
lighting goes I'm not sure what sort I want. I'm leaning towards the
xenon low voltage puck lights, because they're dimmable and they would
give very directed task lighting without giving off as much heat as
incandescent or halogen lights. Wired properly they could be done to
either act as a single unit (all the undercabinet lights at once) or in
"blocks" by countertop sections. That would be handy to use them as a
sort of nightlight with the dimmer.
Another upgrade the kitchen is getting is much better drawer slides and
cabinet hinges. They used crappy ones before, along with poorly set up
interior shelves. All that is being fixed, so that the kitchen we end
up with is a far more functional one than it is now. I found myself
not wanting to bake - something I really enjoy normally - and DH
finally figured out the problem. The kitchen is left-handed as it is
now. He was right. That makes it awkward for me, and I don't enjoy
using it. So, I'm fixing it.
Damn I'm glad I married a smart man. :-)
Carmen
tiny dancer
<carm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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That does help, doesn't it! ;-) I'm leaving one of my cabinet doors off,
going to put all my cookbooks and such in that cabinet, more like an open
shelving unit. That particular door wasn't very practical to begin with.
And dh is building me a pot rack. One of my sons in law designed one for my
daughter for Christmas a couple years ago, and his design would be perfect
for our kitchen too, so I told dh to copy it.
I like your kitchen design, adding that counter space. I've thought and
thought, but there isn't any way I can add more counter space without giving
up dining area. With the way our family is growing, I need that dining
area. That's what started this whole 'wall demolishing' to begin with. I
bought a new solid wood dining set, unfinished, because I wanted totally
solid wood, no veneers. I wanted to be able to sand it down and refinish it
if I wanted/needed to. Even in unfinished furniture now days, it's hard to
find something that is solid wood. I started out looking at the oak store,
until I found out they use veneers too. The guy there said 'you could
*maybe* get away with sanding it down once'. Finally I was able to find a
table that was solid wood, so I bought that one and then chose some chairs I
liked to go with it, including a couple of those old fashioned youth chairs
for the boys. We didn't stain it at all, just sanded and varnished it, so
it's just clear wood on all the pieces. I can't recall the exact length,
but I think with the leaves it opens to around 100 inches. When you said
'you'd figured out how to add more counter space' I slapped my forehead,
said DAMN, and tried again, but it's a no go with my kitchen. :(
What's your color scheme?
td
>
tiny dancer
"Michael Snyder" <msn...@socmen.org> wrote in message
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What's a matter mikey? Are you disappointed there apparently was no 'food
for trade' at the dome? Sheesh, take a pill or something.
>
>
>
ronniecat
I was just trying to demonstrate that your exercise - googling
specific phrases and getting no hits - didn't prove there were *no
rapes*, because I could google similar phrases and get hundreds of
hits - which still didn't prove there *were rapes*. The google game is
pointless. Like I said, let's wait a few weeks and then try to find
out whether any actual complaints were filed with the NO police
department.
That would confirm that there were specific allegations of rapes by
victims whose names and complaints are known to the police, do you
agree?
ronnie
--
return address altered. remove my collar to reply.
"I try to be cynical, but it's so hard to keep up." - Lily Tomlin
http://www.hearingloss.blogspot.com * a weblog about deafness
Michael Snyder
Can you say "One trick pony"? Sure...
Pretty sad, Tiny, whenever you're losing you fall back on that...
carm...@gmail.com
tiny dancer wrote:
> I bought a new solid wood dining set, unfinished, because I wanted totally
> solid wood, no veneers. I wanted to be able to sand it down and refinish it
> if I wanted/needed to. Even in unfinished furniture now days, it's hard to
> find something that is solid wood. I started out looking at the oak store,
> until I found out they use veneers too. The guy there said 'you could
> *maybe* get away with sanding it down once'. Finally I was able to find a
> table that was solid wood, so I bought that one and then chose some chairs I
> liked to go with it, including a couple of those old fashioned youth chairs
> for the boys. We didn't stain it at all, just sanded and varnished it, so
> it's just clear wood on all the pieces. I can't recall the exact length,
> but I think with the leaves it opens to around 100 inches. When you said
> 'you'd figured out how to add more counter space' I slapped my forehead,
> said DAMN, and tried again, but it's a no go with my kitchen. :(
I only got the counter space because I could get rid of a drop-in stove
by moving the fridge to another spot and giving its original spot to a
stand alone stove. I lost some floor space, but in an area that wasn't
in the traffic pattern. It was a good trade off. Unless you have a
set-in cook top or something that could be swapped out for one of those
hightech ones that "hide" under the counter you're out of luck on
additional counter space.
I agree completely on solid wood. That's one of the reasons the
cabinet doors had to be replaced. Turns out they were veneer. Blech.
> What's your color scheme?
Well, the cabinets are hard maple and they'll get a light stain then a
ginger glaze over that. That'll let the wood be seen, it'll still be
on the light side but there'll be a touch of warmth with the ginger
tint. The walls I haven't decided on yet. Most likely a faux finish,
staying lighter but still warm. I like yellows, but want to keep it
towards buttercream/french vanilla. To give texture to the walls I'll
probably bring in the reddish family that the cabinets hint at with the
ginger glaze, and rag on something appropriate. I don't know what, but
I'll know it when I see it. :-) The floors are going to be sanded and
refinished, but not in as red a red oak as before. The countertops are
going to be tiled, and the most likely candidate for that are 4x4
granite tiles in the light mocha range. The appliances are almond,
except for the microhood which will be stainless. As far as window
treatments go I may just do a single long fabric covered cornice board
(the two windows are side by side) on the thin side as far as height
goes and leave it at that. The kitchen is on the rear of the house and
we have no neighbors back there, just wildlife.
What's your color plan?
Carmen
tiny dancer
<carm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> tiny dancer wrote:
>
snipped>
> > What's your color scheme?
>
> Well, the cabinets are hard maple and they'll get a light stain then a
> ginger glaze over that. That'll let the wood be seen, it'll still be
> on the light side but there'll be a touch of warmth with the ginger
> tint. The walls I haven't decided on yet. Most likely a faux finish,
> staying lighter but still warm. I like yellows, but want to keep it
> towards buttercream/french vanilla. To give texture to the walls I'll
> probably bring in the reddish family that the cabinets hint at with the
> ginger glaze, and rag on something appropriate. I don't know what, but
> I'll know it when I see it. :-) The floors are going to be sanded and
> refinished, but not in as red a red oak as before. The countertops are
> going to be tiled, and the most likely candidate for that are 4x4
> granite tiles in the light mocha range. The appliances are almond,
> except for the microhood which will be stainless. As far as window
> treatments go I may just do a single long fabric covered cornice board
> (the two windows are side by side) on the thin side as far as height
> goes and leave it at that. The kitchen is on the rear of the house and
> we have no neighbors back there, just wildlife.
>
> What's your color plan?
>
> Carmen
Well I'm painting all the cabinets, inside and out, white. Then I'm taking
the doors and going to put some moldings on the fronts of 'em, to kind of
give them dimension and detailing. We got some new brushed nickel hindges
for them, haven't decided on knobs yet. Right now I'm going to try painting
the doors a creamy almond color and see how that looks with the white
cabinets. I've seen a photo similar that I really liked with shades of
creams and white together. If I don't like 'em that way, I will most likely
pull in some blues. My ideal colors are blue and mauve/rose. I'm going to
try and keep the tiles we put in as a backsplash behind the stove years ago.
I just loved those tiles, but at the time, they were a close out and I
bought all they had, but it wasn't enough to tile behind all the
countertops, so I just tiled the place behind the stove up to the fan/hood.
They are those really small square tiles, mostly a dusty sort of wedgewood
blue, with soft rose shades in them. They still look perfect, just like the
day we laid them, so if at all possible, I'm going to try and find some sort
of tile that will coordinate with them to do the area between the bottom of
the cabinets and top of the counters. That's kind of why I was thinking of
quartz countertops, because supposedly they come in a very wide range of
colors. Man, if I could find something that looked like those tiles behind
the stove I'd be in heaven!
Right now I'm thinking of a very light to natural oak on the floors. And
white plantation shutters on the windows. My appliances are almond too, and
I like either that or white. I'm not big on stainless, probably cause I
hate my stainless sink. I want a white porcelan farmhouse sink. Man, that
would have been perfect when the kids were babies yet, for baths, 'eh?
I have a tiffany pendant light over the table and I haven't decided yet if I
will keep that there or move it to the kitchen. I love that light it was a
one of a kind, with carousal horses on it in shades of blue and rose. I saw
it hanging in a store and fell in love with it. It was the only one they
had. They had to take it down, didn't have a box for it or anything, but I
loved it on sight. So that has to stay somewhere.
Yours sounds really nice Carmen. I saw a kitchen done similarly, with
yellow and then sort of a bleached denim colored blue accents. It was just
beautiful when it was done. You'll have to take a picture and send it to me
so I can see your masterpiece!
td
Uncle Buck
<msn...@socmen.org> wrote:
>You don't think the rape advocates would be shouting about how many
>superbowl rape victims they had? Even when there are published
>newspaper articles questioning whether any rapes at all occurred
>there?
>
>I do.
As hideously obnoxious as the thought is, I agree with you. And I
mean the "hidesouly obnoxious" part is that so much of what we're
hearing appears to be nothing more than unsubstantiated mass hysteria.
I don't see any fatal flaws in your reasoning. Especially since
you're not declaring that "no rapes occurred", as some seem to think
you are.
BTW, I'm not sure "rape advocates" is the right phrase. That, to me,
implies someone who is "pro-rape". "Anti-rape activists", maybe? Or
"rape reactionaries"? I dunno', it probably doesn't really matter
since I knew what you meant anyway and that's the important thing.
;-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=
Those first to step up and say,
"Now is not the time for placing blame"
...
...are quite often to blame....
_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=
tiny dancer
"Uncle Buck" <Uncl...@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:n007j1tu57oi477u1...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:01:46 GMT, "Michael Snyder"
> <msn...@socmen.org> wrote:
>
> >You don't think the rape advocates would be shouting about how many
> >superbowl rape victims they had? Even when there are published
> >newspaper articles questioning whether any rapes at all occurred
> >there?
> >
> >I do.
>
> As hideously obnoxious as the thought is, I agree with you. And I
> mean the "hidesouly obnoxious" part is that so much of what we're
> hearing appears to be nothing more than unsubstantiated mass hysteria.
> I don't see any fatal flaws in your reasoning. Especially since
> you're not declaring that "no rapes occurred", as some seem to think
> you are.
>
> BTW, I'm not sure "rape advocates" is the right phrase. That, to me,
> implies someone who is "pro-rape". "Anti-rape activists", maybe? Or
> "rape reactionaries"? I dunno', it probably doesn't really matter
> since I knew what you meant anyway and that's the important thing.
> ;-)
> --
> L8r,
> Uncle Buck
Anybody who thinks it's just hunky dorey for Peace Corp workers to trade
food for sex with young starving girls, I'd say *is* a rape advocate. I
believe he called it 'free enterprise'.
td
Michael Snyder
> I was just trying to demonstrate that your exercise - googling
> specific phrases and getting no hits - didn't prove there were *no
> rapes*,
Well that was pretty pointless, eh? *NOTHING* could possibly
prove that there were no rapes. It's flat out impossible to prove
a negative of that sort -- there could always have been a rape that
no one ever found out about.
Nor did I say there were no rapes. So -- what prompted you
to this absurd exercise?
Michael Snyder
"Uncle Buck" <Uncl...@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:16:28 GMT, Bart Bailey <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >Question 2: Is the entirety of truth online?
>
> Of course not, though in the case of confirmed rapes a the NOSD, it
> would undoubtedly be. Most anything of import makes its way online
> very rapidly these days.
And that's the point. The failure to find evidence that a thing
occurred can never prove that it did not occur. But if people
are claiming that a thing DID occur, the utter lack of evidence
that it did DOES undercut their claim. I can't prove that there
are no sharks in your basement -- but that doesn't mean I have
to believe you if you say that there are.
That being said -- if the rumors of rape had been true,
SOMEBODY would have come forward. And if there
were confirmation of any of those rumors, we WOULD
know about it.
Michael Snyder
"Uncle Buck" <Uncl...@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:01:46 GMT, "Michael Snyder"
> <msn...@socmen.org> wrote:
>
> >You don't think the rape advocates would be shouting about how many
> >superbowl rape victims they had? Even when there are published
> >newspaper articles questioning whether any rapes at all occurred
> >there?
> >
> >I do.
>
> As hideously obnoxious as the thought is, I agree with you. And I
> mean the "hidesouly obnoxious" part is that so much of what we're
> hearing appears to be nothing more than unsubstantiated mass hysteria.
> I don't see any fatal flaws in your reasoning. Especially since
> you're not declaring that "no rapes occurred", as some seem to think
> you are.
>
> BTW, I'm not sure "rape advocates" is the right phrase. That, to me,
> implies someone who is "pro-rape". "Anti-rape activists", maybe? Or
> "rape reactionaries"? I dunno', it probably doesn't really matter
> since I knew what you meant anyway and that's the important thing.
> ;-)
You're right, "rape victim's advocates" is what I meant.
Michael Snyder
> Anybody who thinks it's just hunky dorey for Peace Corp workers to trade
YAAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNN!!!!
<ahemONE-TRICK-PONYcough>
rjr...@aol.com
Bart Bailey wrote:
> In Message-ID:<zXMYe.101$3o....@typhoon.sonic.net> posted on Fri, 23
> Sep 2005 06:06:23 GMT, Michael Snyder wrote: Begin
>
> >That being said -- if the rumors of rape had been true,
> >SOMEBODY would have come forward. And if there
> >were confirmation of any of those rumors, we WOULD
> >know about it.
>
> that SOMEBODY failed to come forward to report?
>
> --
>
> Bart
Is this kinda like if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to
here it, does it really make a sound?
carm...@gmail.com
tiny dancer wrote:
> <carm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1127423385.2...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > tiny dancer wrote:
> >
> snipped>
> the doors and going to put some moldings on the fronts of 'em, to kind of
> give them dimension and detailing. We got some new brushed nickel hindges
> for them, haven't decided on knobs yet. Right now I'm going to try painting
> the doors a creamy almond color and see how that looks with the white
> cabinets. I've seen a photo similar that I really liked with shades of
> creams and white together. If I don't like 'em that way, I will most likely
> pull in some blues.
There are always color washes and glazes. That can give you depth and
color and tone the white down to a less "I've just been painted!" look
at the same time.
> My ideal colors are blue and mauve/rose. I'm going to
> try and keep the tiles we put in as a backsplash behind the stove years ago.
> I just loved those tiles, but at the time, they were a close out and I
> bought all they had, but it wasn't enough to tile behind all the
> countertops, so I just tiled the place behind the stove up to the fan/hood.
> They are those really small square tiles, mostly a dusty sort of wedgewood
> blue, with soft rose shades in them. They still look perfect, just like the
> day we laid them, so if at all possible, I'm going to try and find some sort
> of tile that will coordinate with them to do the area between the bottom of
> the cabinets and top of the counters.
> That's kind of why I was thinking of quartz countertops, because supposedly > they come in a very wide range of colors. Man, if I could find something > that looked like those tiles behind the stove I'd be in heaven!
Are they the mosaic tiles? The 3/8" by 3/8" tiles? If so finding the
tiles in the component colors shouldn't be hard at all. They also make
glass mosaic tiles that you can get in just about any color you could
possibly want. Add in the specialty tiles (leaves, ladybugs, flowers,
glass beads, etc.) and you can do pretty much anything you can dream
up. As far as tiles go the challenge is to not overdo it and end up
making your house look scary.
> Right now I'm thinking of a very light to natural oak on the floors. And
> white plantation shutters on the windows. My appliances are almond too, and
> I like either that or white. I'm not big on stainless, probably cause I
> hate my stainless sink. I want a white porcelan farmhouse sink. Man, that
> would have been perfect when the kids were babies yet, for baths, 'eh?
You mean like a butler's sink?
> I have a tiffany pendant light over the table and I haven't decided yet if I
> will keep that there or move it to the kitchen. I love that light it was a
> one of a kind, with carousal horses on it in shades of blue and rose. I saw
> it hanging in a store and fell in love with it. It was the only one they
> had. They had to take it down, didn't have a box for it or anything, but I
> loved it on sight. So that has to stay somewhere.
One consideration is cleaning. In the kitchen the light fixture will
require more frequent cleaning and probably need somewhat harsher
cleanser. If it can take it, and it's not too much of a bear then I'd
say go for it - hang it over the sink area. :-)
> Yours sounds really nice Carmen. I saw a kitchen done similarly, with
> yellow and then sort of a bleached denim colored blue accents. It was just
> beautiful when it was done. You'll have to take a picture and send it to me
> so I can see your masterpiece!
Same with you. My "Befores" are scary. The cabinets are late 70s,
maple veneer over MDF, stained dark and then routed through on the
front with the routed area painted in a deep brown. The hardware is
all antiqued brass, and looks sort of French Country, the pulls are
beaded in the middle and flared at the ends. Add the dark green
wallpaper and aged popcorn ceilings and it's a cave. :-)
Carmen
Andrys Basten
situation, I didn't see a reply, so I reread it
and see I didn't give a link to the article
from NY Times that I posted earlier.
It's now included below
[B
tiny dancer
<rjr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Somewhat, but probably more appropriate "if a *nut* falls out of that
fallen tree, does it remain a *nut* for life" or some such thing. ;->
td
>
Michael Snyder
"Andrys Basten" <and...@panix.com> wrote in message
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> Michael, while you seemed interested in this
> situation, I didn't see a reply, so I reread it
> and see I didn't give a link to the article
> from NY Times that I posted earlier.
Sorry, didn't see this one the first time.
>
> It's now included below
>
> [B
> >In article <sQVXe.86$a3....@typhoon.sonic.net>,
> >Michael Snyder <msn...@socmen.org> wrote:
> >>The phrase "superdome rape victim" gets zero hits.
> >>The phrase "new orleans rape victim" gets one, but it's about Blanche
> >>DuBois.
> >
> >You're narrowing your search to exact words
> >of your choice and saying you can't find
> >anything on this.
> >
> > It obliterates articles
> >with "raped" for one thing.
Not what I was looking for. Of course there are hundreds of
articles that SAY someone was raped -- I was looking for
something that might amount to confirmation. Such as the
mention of a specific individual, a victim.
> >
> >For a google search that'll get you what
> >you say you wwant to find, just put in
> > superdome rape
> > or try
> > "convention center" rape
> >(to keep important phrase 'convention center' together)
That is not what I "say I want". Those searches will give you
plenty of unsubstantiated rumor. I'm looking for something
that might be substantiated.
I'm not saying that the reference to a specific individual
victim is the ONLY thing that would constitute substantiation,
but it is ONE thing that would. Just searching for references
to rape in the superdome will not.
> >In the meantime, while you were gone I posted
> >that the New Orleans SWAT Team Captain (Captain Winn)
> >stated that his own policemen reported to
> >him that a number of women had been dragged off
> >and gang-raped and that murders were occurring.
I see that -- but it doesn't say that the officers had any
specific knowledge about women being dragged off and
raped. They could very well have just been repeating
things they were told. I.e. rumors.
If it were true that "a number of women had been dragged
off and gang raped", what are the odds that we would find
(a) no bodies, and (b) no living victims coming forward?
Or that (c) a living victim of gang rape would come forward,
and not only would WE fail to hear about it, but the NOPD
would be unaware of it?
Michael Snyder
>
> <rjr...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1127480040.1...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Bart Bailey wrote:
> > > In Message-ID:<zXMYe.101$3o....@typhoon.sonic.net> posted on Fri, 23
> > > Sep 2005 06:06:23 GMT, Michael Snyder wrote: Begin
> > >
> > > >That being said -- if the rumors of rape had been true,
> > > >SOMEBODY would have come forward. And if there
> > > >were confirmation of any of those rumors, we WOULD
> > > >know about it.
> > >
> > > So you're basically saying it's impossible for there to have been a
rape
> > > that SOMEBODY failed to come forward to report?
No Bart -- not "a rape". A deluge of gang rapes.
> > Is this kinda like if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to
> > here it, does it really make a sound?
>
> Somewhat, but probably more appropriate "if a *nut* falls out of that
> fallen tree, does it remain a *nut* for life" or some such thing. ;->
Speaking of "nuts", Tiny, aren't you and Bart just about the last
people here who still insist on believing in these phantom gang rapes?
I think you ought to consider taking your fantasy life private.
carm...@gmail.com
Bart Bailey wrote:
> In Message-ID:<1127342217....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
> posted on 21 Sep 2005 15:36:58 -0700, carm...@gmail.com wrote: Begin
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> >
> >Bart Bailey wrote:
> >> In Message-ID:<1127313789....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
> >> posted on 21 Sep 2005 07:43:09 -0700, carm...@gmail.com wrote: Begin
> >>
> >> >Minimum one month self sufficiency plan.
> >>
> >> Maybe the Mormons are onto something
> >> with their years worth plan?
> >
> >Even if you're kidding, it sounds a lot less excessive than it used to
> >to me.
>
> Roll up your cuffs, it gets pretty deep:
> http://tinyurl.com/do9hn
>
Hey thanks! It shouldn't be too surprising that it's based in letting
land lie fallow when all the religion is stripped away, but it never
occurred to me.
Carmen
tiny dancer
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> > > tiny dancer wrote:
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> color and tone the white down to a less "I've just been painted!" look
> at the same time.
Yeah, that's kind of why I hadn't completely made up my mind yet. I'm going
to do one coat and see how I like it.
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> That's kind of why I was thinking of quartz countertops, because
supposedly > they come in a very wide range of colors. Man, if I could find
something > that looked like those tiles behind the stove I'd be in
heaven!
>
> Are they the mosaic tiles? The 3/8" by 3/8" tiles?
No, they are little one inch by one inch tiles, much like the old-fashioned
ones seen on bathroom floors. That size tile, I mean. And they are very
muted, almost like a color wash effect, mostly soft shades of blue, with
some soft shades of rose, blue being the predominat color. They aren't
completely smooth the way ceramic tiles are, yet they have a bit of a sheen
to them. At the time I bought them, there wasn't anything else I saw in the
store of a similar appearance.
If so finding the
> tiles in the component colors shouldn't be hard at all. They also make
> glass mosaic tiles that you can get in just about any color you could
> possibly want. Add in the specialty tiles (leaves, ladybugs, flowers,
> glass beads, etc.) and you can do pretty much anything you can dream
> up. As far as tiles go the challenge is to not overdo it and end up
> making your house look scary.
I know, I've seen some who have so much busy work tiles, the mind explodes!
I'm not much into the speciality tiles, more into just a bit of something to
break up the effect. We did our master bath a couple years ago and built an
over-size shower. The tile is all a cream color, with just two rows of a
really deep blue/green tile, sort of the color of 'blue spruce' christmas
trees, one near the top and one near the bottom. Then I painted the room
that same color but used the cream color for everything else, all the
woodwork, fixtures, cabinets, etc. I'm usually not into really deep colors,
nor green, but this turned out really nice. The light cream color really
pops off the dark color. Then we did the floor in a stone tile that picks
up another of the cream shades in the marble shower base.
>
> > Right now I'm thinking of a very light to natural oak on the floors.
And
> > white plantation shutters on the windows. My appliances are almond too,
and
> > I like either that or white. I'm not big on stainless, probably cause I
> > hate my stainless sink. I want a white porcelan farmhouse sink. Man,
that
> > would have been perfect when the kids were babies yet, for baths, 'eh?
>
> You mean like a butler's sink?
I'm not sure? It's a big white sink that is probably the same size as a
double sink, but it's one big sink rather than the two smaller basins. The
one I like, if I can find it, has a porcelan front on it too, gets rid of
that crappy board that goes across in front of where the sink fits into the
cabinets. Then I want a faucet that bends up higher, so you can fit large
pots and things under it easily.
>
> > I have a tiffany pendant light over the table and I haven't decided yet
if I
> > will keep that there or move it to the kitchen. I love that light it
was a
> > one of a kind, with carousal horses on it in shades of blue and rose. I
saw
> > it hanging in a store and fell in love with it. It was the only one
they
> > had. They had to take it down, didn't have a box for it or anything,
but I
> > loved it on sight. So that has to stay somewhere.
>
> One consideration is cleaning. In the kitchen the light fixture will
> require more frequent cleaning and probably need somewhat harsher
> cleanser. If it can take it, and it's not too much of a bear then I'd
> say go for it - hang it over the sink area. :-)
It is too big for the sink area, but isn't hard to clean.
>
> > Yours sounds really nice Carmen. I saw a kitchen done similarly, with
> > yellow and then sort of a bleached denim colored blue accents. It was
just
> > beautiful when it was done. You'll have to take a picture and send it
to me
> > so I can see your masterpiece!
>
> Same with you. My "Befores" are scary. The cabinets are late 70s,
> maple veneer over MDF, stained dark and then routed through on the
> front with the routed area painted in a deep brown. The hardware is
> all antiqued brass, and looks sort of French Country, the pulls are
> beaded in the middle and flared at the ends. Add the dark green
> wallpaper and aged popcorn ceilings and it's a cave. :-)
>
> Carmen
We had sanded our's down and refinished them years ago, shortly after we
bought the house. That's how I knew they were solid wood and could be
sanded down to bare wood. Our's are very dark too, we stained them too
dark. At the time we liked them, but over the years, I'm in the mood for
something really light now. They just have white china knobs and drawer
pulls but with brass details. I guess I'm sick of that too, that's why I'm
getting the brushed nickel now. As for the wall paper, guess what! It's
rose and blue. ;) I really liked that when I bought it, and still do.
The bottom part, under the chair rail, is sort of a wedgewood blue with tiny
white fluer de lies (sp?), and the top is a white background with tiny
little blue and rose flowers, very tiny ones. So that part isn't too dark,
but the dark cabinets and woodwork and all is just too much. I need change!
Have you taken down those cottage cheese ceilings yet? That looks like a
messy job. Lot's of dust and all, I mean, but they look like you can just
sand them down? Luckily we have all smooth ceilings. They appeared to be
the rage for awhile, but soon lost their popularity. I've heard they are
very hard to paint? The china cabinet we're going to build will probably be
just clear wood, like the table. That depends upon the type of wood dh uses
to build it though. Hopefully he can find something nice that will look
good just varnished. One of our daughters just had some tongue in groove
heart of pine flooring laid at her house, and sil said he thought he had
enough left over for the cabinet, so we might try that using that. Dh said
'he'd see' when we get to that point.
Our work progress depends upon how Gracie is doing right now. She's being
treated for heartworms. I have her crate out there where we tore the wall
down, and so far she's somewhat content during the daytime, to watch me
working/painting, etc. She has to be kept crated/quiet/sedate for the whole
two months the treatment will take. She had one arsenic injection last
week, and will get two more the second week in October. She was heartworm
positive when we adopted her, and I've never had a dog with heartworms
before, so we really don't know what to expect. The vet said the worst
should be the second week after the injections, which begins next monday.
:((
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tiny dancer
Could you please cite where I ever said there was a deluge of gang rapes?
You appear to be perpetrating another false story about me, mikey?: I'd
like cites for your lies? It appears to be your habit, embellishment and
outright lies.
CITE please or refrain from commenting.
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ronniecat
YOU did, Mike. Try to keep up, sweetie :)
ronniecat
>In Message-ID:<zXMYe.101$3o....@typhoon.sonic.net> posted on Fri, 23
>Sep 2005 06:06:23 GMT, Michael Snyder wrote: Begin
>
>>SOMEBODY would have come forward. And if there
>>were confirmation of any of those rumors, we WOULD
>>know about it.
>
>that SOMEBODY failed to come forward to report?
I think the key disagreement I personally have with Mike here is his
impatience. They've just come out of a hurricane wherein they lost a
huge chunk of their police force, everything was turned upside down,
half the potential rape victims we're discussing have been relocated
all over the US, and they're now re-evacuating in the face of a second
hurricane. I still say it'll be weeks before we know if there are any
official reports of rapes out of the Katrina debacle, and it's
pointless to suggest that the absence of reports equals absence of
rapes until then.
Michael Snyder
> Recklessly waiving the right to remain silent, on Fri, 23 Sep 2005
> 06:02:28 GMT "Michael Snyder" <msn...@socmen.org> wrote:
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> >
> >"ronniecat" <ronn...@mycollar.ronniecat.com> wrote in message
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> >> I was just trying to demonstrate that your exercise - googling
> >> specific phrases and getting no hits - didn't prove there were *no
> >> rapes*,
> >
> >Well that was pretty pointless, eh? *NOTHING* could possibly
> >prove that there were no rapes. It's flat out impossible to prove
> >a negative of that sort -- there could always have been a rape that
> >no one ever found out about.
> >
> >Nor did I say there were no rapes. So -- what prompted you
> >to this absurd exercise?
>
> YOU did, Mike. Try to keep up, sweetie :)
You're off the deep end here, Ronnie. Go join Tiny Dancer
if you're gonna start putting words in my mouth.
Michael Snyder
> I still say it'll be weeks before we know if there are any
> official reports of rapes out of the Katrina debacle,
Only if you refuse to believe the police spokesman...
tiny dancer
The *king* of putting words in mouths has spoken. What a jerk.
That just gave me an image of the wizard of oz. Big mouth mikey, behind
the curtain, and he turns out to be only a little ugly insecure dwarf after
all.
td
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carm...@gmail.com
ronniecat wrote:
> Recklessly waiving the right to remain silent, on Fri, 23 Sep 2005
> 07:42:35 GMT Bart Bailey <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >In Message-ID:<zXMYe.101$3o....@typhoon.sonic.net> posted on Fri, 23
> >Sep 2005 06:06:23 GMT, Michael Snyder wrote: Begin
> >
> >>That being said -- if the rumors of rape had been true,
> >>SOMEBODY would have come forward. And if there
> >>were confirmation of any of those rumors, we WOULD
> >>know about it.
> >
> >So you're basically saying it's impossible for there to have been a rape
> >that SOMEBODY failed to come forward to report?
>
> I think the key disagreement I personally have with Mike here is his
> impatience. They've just come out of a hurricane wherein they lost a
> huge chunk of their police force, everything was turned upside down,
> half the potential rape victims we're discussing have been relocated
> all over the US, and they're now re-evacuating in the face of a second
> hurricane. I still say it'll be weeks before we know if there are any
> official reports of rapes out of the Katrina debacle, and it's
> pointless to suggest that the absence of reports equals absence of
> rapes until then.
The only one who has come forward is, IMO, unbelievable. The house
Charmaine Neville claims was destroyed didn't look like that when
Inside Edition did an interview with her after Katrina in it. No mud
even. The various claims she made don't quite wash - alligators eating
bodies, dead babies floating in the water, hundreds of bodies that they
had to step over, she single-handedly rescued gobs of people (including
cops), smashing a hole in the roof of a school to do so, scavenged
water and food for them all, tried to summon help by flashlight SOS,
until she broke out a window on an RTA bus and somehow started it and
then filled it up with people she'd rescued and drove them all to
safety in a Baptist church. Somewhere in amongst the heroics she says
she was raped.
In a jangling sidenote, in the footage of her at the shelter with the
Archbishop when she's first telling this story, not a single one of her
long well-manicured fingernails is even chipped. It just doesn't jibe
to me.
Carmen