Anna Nicole had to be sedated; Stern the 3rd person in room
Laninna
(09-13) 17:09 PDT NASSAU, Bahamas (AP) --
Anna Nicole Smith was so distraught by the death of her son Daniel that
she had to be sedated and she later suffered memory loss of the event,
said her Bahamian attorney, Michael Scott.
Anna Nicole Smith and another one of her attorneys, Howard K. Stern,
continued efforts to revive 20-year-old Daniel Wayne Smith even after
he had been proclaimed dead by staff at Doctors Hospital in Nassau,
Scott said.
"Anna Nicole was so distraught at the loss of Daniel that she refused
to leave his side and it was necessary to sedate her in order to check
her out of the hospital," Stern read from a prepared statement. "The
devastation and grief over Daniel's sudden death coupled with the
sedation has been so extreme that Anna Nicole experienced memory loss
of the event."
"It was necessary for Howard to tell Anna again that Daniel had passed
away," he added.
Stern was the third person in the hospital room that Bahamian
authorities had earlier declined to identify.
Authorities said they believe they know what killed Smith on Sunday,
three days after his mother gave birth to a baby girl. But they were
waiting for a toxicology report to confirm the findings.
Anna Nicole Smith, a reality TV star and former Playboy model who went
to the U.S. Supreme Court this year to sue for an inheritance, was in
seclusion in the Bahamas with family and friends, Scott said.
camille
Memory loss? Well that seals the deal for me.
I can undertand distraught and having to be sedated, but memory loss?
No way.
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FragileWarrior
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> sfgate.com
>
> (09-13) 17:09 PDT NASSAU, Bahamas (AP) --
>
> Anna Nicole Smith was so distraught by the death of her son Daniel that
> she had to be sedated and she later suffered memory loss of the event,
Uh, no. That's not how it works. Nice try, tho'.
FragileWarrior
@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> I can undertand distraught and having to be sedated, but memory loss?
> No way.
Exactly. It takes a few moments for the body to register memory. That the
bodyguard in Princess Diana's crash can't remember anything is
understandable. That someone can't remember something where they didn't
blackout immediately, isn't.
NorskyGal
Could Howard have wanted Daniel out of the picture to get closer to
Anna Nicole?? I always thought it was a bit odd the way Howard was
constantly around Anna Nicole. He always seemed so infatuated with
her...something that went way beyond just a lawyer-client relationship.
RagHag Diva
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My thoughts exactly, Kathy. Anyone who watched her show knows that
'sedated' is a constant state of being for this poor trainwreck of a
woman. She slurred her words getting up, going to bed, and at all
points in between.
That being said, she loved that kid. I feel for her.
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I think this is from the Bahamas Tribune:
http://www.bahamasb2b.com/news/wmview.php?ArtID=8947
The Tribune was also told that patients overheard Ms Smith screaming
loudly and blaming someone for the death of her son.
Ms Smith was quoted as shouting: "You caused this." The patient further
claimed that Ms Smith could be heard crying from 9am until 1pm.
Although the results of the autopsy had not yet been released at press
time last night, The Tribune was told by its source that Daniel's
organs were all found to be in "excellent condition."
Buttercup
camille wrote:
>
> I can undertand distraught and having to be sedated, but memory loss?
> No way.<<<<<<<
Well, she does act like she takes mind altering drugs.
riverg...@hotmail.com
then taking yet another turn for the worse it caused me to have
amnesia.
M. Henry
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>Maybe that is why there is an inquest. Maybe the airlines will be blamed.
>
>
Bad airline food caused his death!
Verizon User
her friend (who happens to be an attorney - Howard K Stern).
I think this creepy Stern has something to do with the situation- not
premeditated- but my guess is he procured some sort of drug for the kid,
which turned out to be tainted and caused him to get sick. Now Stern can
get in a whole lot of trouble.. and he needs to get the only living witness
(Anna) to get out of testifying.
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RagHag Diva
There hasn't been any mention of her baby girl's name, has there? 10
bucks says she names her Danielle.
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>>>> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> ... Laninna wrote:
>>>> ... > sfgate.com
>>>> ... >
>>>> ... > (09-13) 17:09 PDT NASSAU, Bahamas (AP) --
>>>> ... >
>>>> ... > Anna Nicole Smith was so distraught by the death of her son
>>>> Daniel that
>>>> ... > she had to be sedated and she later suffered memory loss of the
>>>> event,
>>>> ... > said her Bahamian attorney, Michael Scott.
>>>> ... >
>>>> ... > Anna Nicole Smith and another one of her attorneys, Howard K.
>>>> Stern,
>>>> ... > continued efforts to revive 20-year-old Daniel Wayne Smith even
>>>> after
>>>> ... > he had been proclaimed dead by staff at Doctors Hospital in
>>>> Nassau,
>>>> ... > Scott said.
>>>> ... >
>>>> ... > "Anna Nicole was so distraught at the loss of Daniel that she
>>>> refused
>>>> ... > to leave his side and it was necessary to sedate her in order to
>>>> check
>>>> ... > her out of the hospital," Stern read from a prepared statement.
>>>> "The
>>>> ... > devastation and grief over Daniel's sudden death coupled with the
>>>> ... > sedation has been so extreme that Anna Nicole experienced memory
>>>> loss
>>>> ... > of the event."
>>>> ... >
>>>> ... > "It was necessary for Howard to tell Anna again that Daniel had
>>>> passed
>>>> ... > away," he added.
>>>> ... >
>>>> ... > Stern was the third person in the hospital room that Bahamian
>>>> ... > authorities had earlier declined to identify.
>>>> ... >
>>>> ... > Authorities said they believe they know what killed Smith on
>>>> Sunday,
>>>> ... > three days after his mother gave birth to a baby girl. But they
>>>> were
>>>> ... > waiting for a toxicology report to confirm the findings.
>>>> ... >
>>>> ... > Anna Nicole Smith, a reality TV star and former Playboy model who
>>>> went
>>>> ... > to the U.S. Supreme Court this year to sue for an inheritance,
>>>> was in
>>>> ... > seclusion in the Bahamas with family and friends, Scott said.
>>>> ...
>>>> ... Memory loss? Well that seals the deal for me.
>>>> ...
>>>> ... I can undertand distraught and having to be sedated, but memory
>>>> loss?
>>>> ... No way.
>>>>
>>>> She is rejecting reality. If she does not remember his death, then as
>>>> far as she is
>>>> concernd it didn't happen.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And events that have happened while under sedation are often forgotten.
>>> She probably would have eventually remembered, but her mind was probably
>>> trying to shield her from pain along with the sedatives confusing the
>>> memory. This is a very common occurrence while under
>>> sedative-hypnotics. Who knows what they gave her in the Bahamas.
>>>
>>> Now, this does not dismiss the fact that she was not a great mother, but
>>> I am positive she was crazy about him. I am sure she is suffering. She
>>> was the better parent of the two.
>>>
>>
>> Why does everyone keep talking about the Bahamas like it's the third
>> world?
>>
>
> I am assuming their drug laws are different than ours, maybe more strict.
I doubt that! You can probably still buy paregoric OTC in some of the Virgin
Islands.
robbielynn
Verizon User wrote:
> She is forgetting, so she has an excuse not to offer any testimony against
> her friend (who happens to be an attorney - Howard K Stern).
> I think this creepy Stern has something to do with the situation- not
> premeditated- but my guess is he procured some sort of drug for the kid,
> which turned out to be tainted and caused him to get sick. Now Stern can
> get in a whole lot of trouble.. and he needs to get the only living witness
> (Anna) to get out of testifying.
>
> "Laninna" <lan...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> > sfgate.com
Yep, she's faking the amnesia. Stern is a creep who's
found an open checkbook. Trimspa CEO is feeding
the whole train wreck and I personally think her
daughter should be removed form her care. I know
it sounds radical but the woman is NOT stable.
- robbielynn
robbielynn
> >
> > Anna Nicole Smith was so distraught by the death of her son Daniel that
> > she had to be sedated and she later suffered memory loss of the event,
> > said her Bahamian attorney, Michael Scott.
> >
> > Anna Nicole Smith and another one of her attorneys, Howard K. Stern,
> > continued efforts to revive 20-year-old Daniel Wayne Smith even after
> > he had been proclaimed dead by staff at Doctors Hospital in Nassau,
> > Scott said.
> >
> > "Anna Nicole was so distraught at the loss of Daniel that she refused
> > to leave his side and it was necessary to sedate her in order to check
> > her out of the hospital," Stern read from a prepared statement. "The
> > devastation and grief over Daniel's sudden death coupled with the
> > sedation has been so extreme that Anna Nicole experienced memory loss
> > of the event."
> >
> > "It was necessary for Howard to tell Anna again that Daniel had passed
> > away," he added.
> >
> > Stern was the third person in the hospital room that Bahamian
> > authorities had earlier declined to identify.
> >
> > Authorities said they believe they know what killed Smith on Sunday,
> > three days after his mother gave birth to a baby girl. But they were
> > waiting for a toxicology report to confirm the findings.
> >
> > Anna Nicole Smith, a reality TV star and former Playboy model who went
> > to the U.S. Supreme Court this year to sue for an inheritance, was in
> > seclusion in the Bahamas with family and friends, Scott said.
>
>
Someone needs to be aware that the baby may need
to be watched carefully since Anna may FORGET to
feed the poor thing. -robbielynn
no...@nowhere.zzz
"RagHag Diva" <ragha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There hasn't been any mention of her baby girl's name, has there? 10
> bucks says she names her Danielle.
Entertainment Tonight reported the baby's name is "Hannah".
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> > I am assuming their drug laws are different than ours, maybe more
strict.
>
> I doubt that! You can probably still buy paregoric OTC in some of the
Virgin
> Islands.
But the Virgin Islands aren't the Bahamas.
I don't know about the drugs, but two Bahamian tour guides told us that the
Bahamian jails are absolutely awful.
Linda
avery
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>> > I am assuming their drug laws are different than ours, maybe more
> strict.
>>
>> I doubt that! You can probably still buy paregoric OTC in some of the
> Virgin
>> Islands.
>
> But the Virgin Islands aren't the Bahamas.
I know, but I was generalizing obscenely. I've heard some pretty good
stories about the Bahamas as well. Lord knows the liquor laws seem awfully
lax!
>
> I don't know about the drugs, but two Bahamian tour guides told us that
> the
> Bahamian jails are absolutely awful.
I don't doubt it. Turkish and Nepalese prisons are no walk in the park
either, but people do tend to take advantage of the natural gifts of the
locale
USA1st
>
> Memory loss? Well that seals the deal for me.
>
> I can undertand distraught and having to be sedated, but memory loss?
> No way.
Who knows what anyone would do when they have lost a child. I hope I
never have to find out and I hope that none of you ever have to either.
Let's have some empathy and compassion for her. I can only imagine
what she is going through.
I feel so bad for her and all I can say is God bess her.
FragileWarrior
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>> sfgate.com
>>
>> (09-13) 17:09 PDT NASSAU, Bahamas (AP) --
>>
>> Anna Nicole Smith was so distraught by the death of her son Daniel
that
>> she had to be sedated and she later suffered memory loss of the event,
>> said her Bahamian attorney, Michael Scott.
>>
>
> A son for a son. First Marshall's son dies and now hers.
>
> I could see the memory loss. Some medications will do that, especially
> sedatives. You also block out traumatic events.
>
>
They would have had to shovel in a barrel load of the stuff to get over
the drug high she routinely maintains. Her "memory loss" is not doubt
due to the fact that she doesn't want any of this to be public (she has
already said she doesn't want the autopsy tests to be made public) and if
she can't "can't remember" then she can't testify at an inquest.
FragileWarrior
news:1158200249....@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> Sorry, but I was once so distressed by my son being ill for so long
> and then taking yet another turn for the worse it caused me to have
> amnesia.
>
If it were that easy, wouldn't everyone who had ever been in a traumatic
situation opt for drug enduced memory loss?
FragileWarrior
@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
>
> I think this is from the Bahamas Tribune:
>
> http://www.bahamasb2b.com/news/wmview.php?ArtID=8947
>
> The Tribune was also told that patients overheard Ms Smith screaming
> loudly and blaming someone for the death of her son.
>
> Ms Smith was quoted as shouting: "You caused this." The patient further
> claimed that Ms Smith could be heard crying from 9am until 1pm.
What was the point of that paragraph, do you suppose?
> Although the results of the autopsy had not yet been released at press
> time last night, The Tribune was told by its source that Daniel's
> organs were all found to be in "excellent condition."
Well, yeah, they only had 20 years of wear and tear on them...
FragileWarrior
FragileWarrior
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>
> camille wrote:
>> Laninna wrote:
>> > sfgate.com
>> >
>> > said.
>>
>> Memory loss? Well that seals the deal for me.
>>
>> I can undertand distraught and having to be sedated, but memory loss?
>> No way.
>
> Who knows what anyone would do when they have lost a child. I hope I
> never have to find out and I hope that none of you ever have to either.
> Let's have some empathy and compassion for her.
Let's not order folks to do things, m'kay? You have no idea what anyone
has done or experienced that has formed their opinions and feelings.
Carmen
FragileWarrior wrote:
> "Laninna" <lan...@my-deja.com> wrote in news:1158193924.165515.214740
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>
> > sfgate.com
> >
> > (09-13) 17:09 PDT NASSAU, Bahamas (AP) --
> >
> > Anna Nicole Smith was so distraught by the death of her son Daniel that
> > she had to be sedated and she later suffered memory loss of the event,
>
>
Some odd things can cause memory loss. I've had two distinct episodes.
One was caused by childbirth. Trying to be a good mother and bring my
child into the world drug free I stupidly chose to do it without any
pain drugs or a block. IOW, I was a moron. I should have had them
drug my butt to the gills. 27 hours of back labor. The pain was bad
enough that there are several stretches of hours each that I was awake
and apparently had coherent conversations with my labor coach (mother
in law) but don't remember anything about to this day. The second
episode was caused by passing out and hitting my head on the sidewalk
after losing a lot of blood over the course of the previous four days
(long story short: my "friend" came to visit and turned psychotic). It
caused me to not only lose a lot of the period directly surrounding the
incident and the ambulance ride, I also lost (and this doesn't make a
lot of sense) an entire physics lesson I'd learned earlier that day. I
had to relearn it in order to do the homework before I came back to
school. My handwritten notes on the subject looked completely
unfamiliar even. Bizarre. Memory loss isn't as cut and dried as you'd
think, so I'm willing to cut Anna Nicole a bit of slack on this one.
Carmen
eveni...@yahoo.com
believe is possible .........those who have nervous breakdowns and
other traumatic experiences at times have memory lost) but is why did
it take so long for them to announce who the third person in the room
was? Was he under some sort of suspicion.......hmmmmm
FragileWarrior
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Memory loss is a lot like a bad back. No one can prove you have it or
that you don't. Memory loss can also work for things like "forgetting"
you kid died of a drug overdose so you don't have to testify at an
inquest. (I'm not saying I don't *understand* her not wanting that to
be known, btw.)
Every bad event in my life (including childbirth without drugs) I
remember very, very clearly so I think I will continue to cast a
suspicious eye upon this story.
Carmen
That is another distinct possibility, and we all bring our own
experiences to these discussions. I'm kind of glad I don't remember
all my labor. Even what I *do* remember was pretty damn miserable.
Did I mention she's an only child? <G>
Carmen
USA1st
First of all, that was not an order. It was an appeal for decency and
compassion. And YOU think that what has happened in someone's life
justifies cruelty? That is a copout...compassion does not cost a
thing...so how do you justify a hate filled attitude because of what
people have may have done or experienced? m'kay?
eveni...@yahoo.com
Anna and her son. I think that the baby is his, and once Anna finally
receives a settlement from her dead husband's estate, he plans to knock
her off too.
So that him and his daughter can live happily every after in Malibu.
Crazy theory, but i'm sticking to it!
robbielynn
What a great script for a movie! The end will show Howard
The Lawyer caring for the young girl and garnering sympathy
from the public. - robbie
eveni...@yahoo.com
>> What a great script for a movie! The end will show Howard
> > The Lawyer caring for the young girl and garnering sympathy
> from the public. - robbie
lol,
I'm having the copyright drafted as we speak!
As Mamma always said, "Its the early bird that catches the
worm."..........
yD
LOL I also had my labor pains in the back and just got angier as the
hours went on because I had read that labor pains start in the back and
move to the front! I remember it very well!
> Did I mention she's an only child? <G>
LOL agina. With my second, he came so quickly they didn't bother
moving me from the trolley :)
yD
>
> Carmen
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> That is another distinct possibility, and we all bring our own
> experiences to these discussions. I'm kind of glad I don't remember
> all my labor. Even what I *do* remember was pretty damn miserable.
> Did I mention she's an only child? <G>
>
> Carmen
Oh, I'm sorry! (I'm an only child, too, and because of it, a staunch
advocate for having more than one.) I was going to suggest that, if you had
another baby, that you go for the saddle block. It was great! (But I think
they've abandoned those in favor of the epidural, and I have no personal
experience with that.)
Linda
FragileWarrior
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>
> FragileWarrior wrote:
>> "USA1st" <USA...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in
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>>
>> >
>> > camille wrote:
>> >> Laninna wrote:
>> >> > sfgate.com
>> >> >
>> >> > said.
>> >>
>> >> Memory loss? Well that seals the deal for me.
>> >>
>> >> I can undertand distraught and having to be sedated, but memory
>> >> loss?
>> >> No way.
>> >
>> > Who knows what anyone would do when they have lost a child. I hope
>> > I never have to find out and I hope that none of you ever have to
>> > either.
>> > Let's have some empathy and compassion for her.
>>
>> Let's not order folks to do things, m'kay? You have no idea what
>> anyone has done or experienced that has formed their opinions and
>> feelings.
>
> First of all, that was not an order.
Read it again.
cally...@gmail.com
It's funny.
Since the other patients heard her yelling at someone "You caused
this!" 38 minutes BEFORE they found it necessary to call the staff,
that gives her and that lawyer guy enough time to get rid of the drugs.
More than half an hour they screwed around with the evidence? Some
mother... waiting almost 3/4 of an hour to get the doctors in there to
try and save the kid.
Suckers. :-) People will believe anything.
The way she acted around her son and the pictues I've seen of them
together, it looks like she was having sex with him. She's a
disgusting pig and totally amoral, and she and that lawyer have
concocted quite a little scheme there. Enough money to spread around
and this will all go away. Death investigations in the Bahamas have a
convenient way of evaporating after the cash comes out.
eveni...@yahoo.com
mention the fact that she and him weren't estranged, and there was no
physical abuse involved.
Why would she suddenly concoct a wild scheme with her lawyer to kill
her son after all these years?
Karen
Magda wrote:
> She is rejecting reality. If she does not remember his death, then as far as she is
> concernd it didn't happen.
Nah. It's a ploy by Howard K. Stern.
Karen
Karen
cally...@gmail.com wrote:
> What complete bullshit. "Memory loss". What fools some of you are.
> It's funny.
>
> Since the other patients heard her yelling at someone "You caused
> this!" 38 minutes BEFORE they found it necessary to call the staff,
> that gives her and that lawyer guy enough time to get rid of the drugs.
> More than half an hour they screwed around with the evidence? Some
> mother... waiting almost 3/4 of an hour to get the doctors in there to
> try and save the kid.
I don't understand why the staff wasn't more on top of things there.
Karen
Karen
Carmen wrote:
> Some odd things can cause memory loss. I've had two distinct episodes.
> One was caused by childbirth. Trying to be a good mother and bring my
> child into the world drug free I stupidly chose to do it without any
> pain drugs or a block. IOW, I was a moron. I should have had them
> drug my butt to the gills. 27 hours of back labor. The pain was bad
> enough that there are several stretches of hours each that I was awake
> and apparently had coherent conversations with my labor coach (mother
> in law) but don't remember anything about to this day.
Every mother will say that she can't remember how bad the pain was in
delivering a child. It's like a trick that God did so women will have
more than one child.
As soon as the baby arrives, the memory of the pain starts to fade.
Karen
eveni...@yahoo.com
>>
>> I don't understand why the staff wasn't more on top of things there.
>
> Karen
It must be one of those clinic hospitals, with a bunch of nurse's aides
but no nurses.......
Karen
NorskyGal wrote:
> They also said it's possible that criminal charges will be filed.
> Could Howard have wanted Daniel out of the picture to get closer to
> Anna Nicole?? I always thought it was a bit odd the way Howard was
> constantly around Anna Nicole. He always seemed so infatuated with
> her...something that went way beyond just a lawyer-client relationship.
Is Anna's personal assistant still in the picture? I forget her name,
but she was the lesbian who loved Anna, and Anna gave her a car on her
birthday one episode.
Karen
eveni...@yahoo.com
Karen wrote:
> Is Anna's personal assistant still in the picture? I forget her name,
> but she was the lesbian who loved Anna, and Anna gave her a car on her
> birthday one episode.
>
> Karen
OH YEA.....I forgotten all about that chick.....
Carmen
Had you read anywhere that "back labor" as such was rare? Started out
innocently enough for me, a back ache that got better then came back.
Thought it was just the way I was sitting at first. Fool...
> > Did I mention she's an only child? <G>
>
> LOL agina. With my second, he came so quickly they didn't bother
> moving me from the trolley :)
Good! Make 'em scramble. :-)
Carmen
Carmen
The labor wasn't really the reason she was an "only". The pregnancy
was really miserable. All-day-long sickness that started about two
weeks in and lasted up to and including the day I went into labor,
pressure on my sciatic nerve that left me in notable pain often,
needing to sleep sixteen hours a day often made for an experience I
didn't dare repeat. I know, I know, another pregnancy could have been
wonderful. I did pregnancy completely drug free for the baby's sake
though, as I would have on any pregnancy and even though I am
pro-choice if I got pregnant on purpose and the pregnancy was normal I
would not have had an abortion. Therefore if the pregnancy had been
another really bad one, I'd have been trapped with all the symptoms -
and with a young child to take care of.
Carmen
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> > ann_louise_leonard_aka_fru...@psychopath.com
> > "Laninna" <lan...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:1158193924.1...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> >> sfgate.com
> >>
> >> (09-13) 17:09 PDT NASSAU, Bahamas (AP) --
> >>
> >> Anna Nicole Smith was so distraught by the death of her son Daniel
> that
> >> she had to be sedated and she later suffered memory loss of the event,
> >>
> >
> > A son for a son. First Marshall's son dies and now hers.
> >
> > I could see the memory loss. Some medications will do that, especially
> > sedatives. You also block out traumatic events.
> >
> >
>
> They would have had to shovel in a barrel load of the stuff to get over
> the drug high she routinely maintains. Her "memory loss" is not doubt
> due to the fact that she doesn't want any of this to be public (she has
> already said she doesn't want the autopsy tests to be made public) and if
> she can't "can't remember" then she can't testify at an inquest.
I rarely take more than an aspirin and am sensitve to drugs, so my threshold
for drugs is quite different than TWANS. But, I ocassionally take a xanax
when I fly; they will cause me memory loss. I function, as in luggage claim,
hotel check in,even dinner, but rarely remember it a few days later. So I
will say if they doped her with enough sedative she may've had memory loss.
ljam
> "earthage" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1158198023.669599.151780
> @i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> >
> >
> > I think this is from the Bahamas Tribune:
> >
> > http://www.bahamasb2b.com/news/wmview.php?ArtID=8947
> >
> > The Tribune was also told that patients overheard Ms Smith screaming
> > loudly and blaming someone for the death of her son.
> >
> > Ms Smith was quoted as shouting: "You caused this." The patient further
> > claimed that Ms Smith could be heard crying from 9am until 1pm.
>
> What was the point of that paragraph, do you suppose?
>
>
>
> > Although the results of the autopsy had not yet been released at press
> > time last night, The Tribune was told by its source that Daniel's
> > organs were all found to be in "excellent condition."
>
> Well, yeah, they only had 20 years of wear and tear on them...
I still think it was HKS doing the boy in....The boy,esp. after attaining
legal age at 21, could have caused ole Howard a mess of problems with his
control of TWANS and her money. Daniel, by all accounts, was a decent boy
who might just have stepped in to straighten or attempt to straighten his
mother's life & her finances out.
yD
I don't think I'd heard about it at all, other than the pains would
move to the front -- so I spent my whole labor in a state of anger as
in "no-body said it would be this bad, and I have to go through all
this at the front." Middle of the night, sharing a room with a moaner
who got checked on every 5 minutes (or something!), the nurses just ran
past me; I thumped the pillows and lay back down. Not happy. Not
happy at all!
Started out
> innocently enough for me, a back ache that got better then came back.
> Thought it was just the way I was sitting at first. Fool...
Well, it got bad enough for me to go to the hospital by ambulance, no
sirens though :) and then once at the hospital no-one seemed perturbed.
>
> > > Did I mention she's an only child? <G>
> >
> > LOL agina. With my second, he came so quickly they didn't bother
> > moving me from the trolley :)
>
> Good! Make 'em scramble. :-)
Well, I think I was the only one to scramble -- I'd planned on having
the second at home but he was late and late and late and finally I had
to go to the hospital. And wouldn't you know, yup, went into labor in
the night, I went to have a bath the next morning and scrambled out
very quickly -- told by a nurse that I had plenty of time, but she was
wrong!
yD
> Carmen
charliekilo
news:2vgOg.25362$IM1....@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
My guess is that yes, it was Howard but through an accidental drug
interaction. I'm envisioning an argument of some sort, Howard tells Daniel
to calm down and offers a sedative of some sort. Daniel takes it and it has
a severe interaction with his prescribed anti-depressant. Thus Howard could
said to have given a controlled substance to Daniel which resulted in
negligent homicide.
catherine yronwode
> > Some odd things can cause memory loss. I've had two distinct
> > episodes.
> > One was caused by childbirth. Trying to be a good mother and bring
> > my
> > child into the world drug free I stupidly chose to do it without any
> > pain drugs or a block. IOW, I was a moron. I should have had them
> > drug my butt to the gills. 27 hours of back labor. The pain was bad
> > enough that there are several stretches of hours each that I was awake
> > and apparently had coherent conversations with my labor coach (mother
> > in law) but don't remember anything about to this day. The second
> > episode was caused by passing out and hitting my head on the sidewalk
> > after losing a lot of blood over the course of the previous four days
> > (long story short: my "friend" came to visit and turned psychotic).
> > It caused me to not only lose a lot of the period directly surrounding
> > the incident and the ambulance ride, I also lost (and this doesn't
> > make a lot of sense) an entire physics lesson I'd learned earlier that
> > day. I had to relearn it in order to do the homework before I came
> > back to school. My handwritten notes on the subject looked completely
> > unfamiliar even. Bizarre. Memory loss isn't as cut and dried as
> > you'd think, so I'm willing to cut Anna Nicole a bit of slack on this
> > one.
> Memory loss is a lot like a bad back. No one can prove you have it or
> that you don't. Memory loss can also work for things like "forgetting"
> you kid died of a drug overdose so you don't have to testify at an
> inquest. (I'm not saying I don't *understand* her not wanting that to
> be known, btw.)
>
> Every bad event in my life (including childbirth without drugs) I
> remember very, very clearly so I think I will continue to cast a
> suspicious eye upon this story.
I remember two non-drugged labours, the first 35 hours, the second 8 1/2
hours. I remember the death of my first child from SIDS and my days of
hysterical grief. I pretty much remember everything bad or painful i've
ever experienced except the time that i was drugged on sodium pentahol
for an illegal abortion in Jaurez, Mexico in 1967 -- 5 1/2 hours is
missing from the "security tape" of my life -- but i remembr everything
up to the moment of the drugging, and i remember waking up; in other
words, i lost no OTHER memories. I remember the previous illegal
abortion in Chicago in 1964, a one-hour D&C with no anathethics, and i
can replay that event in vivid detail, right down to the sweet nurse
giving me a slice of lemon to suck on so i wouldn't scream. I also
remember the train trip home to California after that one, bleeding and
passing out on the way and listening to John Fahey guitar music in my
head as the train went over and through the Sierras and down to Auburn,
where everything was green again. Yep, i just checked the old tapes --
it's all there -- 8 and one-half years of rapes by my evil step-father,
the boy named Tommy who beat me up on the playground for being Jewish
(he claimed that i had killed Christ!), the time i broke my brand new
front tooth by missing the catch of an iron bar on a backyard swing set,
age six, at 1701 Virgina Street (corner of McGee) in Berkeley. Et
cetera.
cat yronwode
USA1st
FragileWarrior wrote:
> "USA1st" <USA...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in
> news:1158238418.7...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
>
> >
> > FragileWarrior wrote:
> >> "USA1st" <USA...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in
> >> news:1158216566.700955.263780 @e63g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > camille wrote:
> >> >> Laninna wrote:
> >> >> > sfgate.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > said.
> >> >>
> >> >> Memory loss? Well that seals the deal for me.
> >> >>
> >> >> I can undertand distraught and having to be sedated, but memory
> >> >> loss?
> >> >> No way.
> >> >
> >> > Who knows what anyone would do when they have lost a child. I hope
> >> > I never have to find out and I hope that none of you ever have to
> >> > either.
> >> > Let's have some empathy and compassion for her.
> >>
> >> Let's not order folks to do things, m'kay? You have no idea what
> >> anyone has done or experienced that has formed their opinions and
> >> feelings.
> >
> > First of all, that was not an order.
>
> Read it again.
Is that an order?
FragileWarrior
@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:
What's the matter -- you can dish 'em out but not take 'em?
(Thanks for playing. You won me $5.)
cally...@gmail.com
Bless your heart.
And I too can attest to the bunkery of the no-memory crowd. Let's
see... do I remember every single detail of when that animal broke into
my house and held a knife to my throat while I was sleeping and tied me
up and raped me and stabbed me and left me for dead....hmmm, why, yes I
do. Do I remember the ambulance and the nice nurse who stuck a needle
of oblivion into my arm? Yes. I remember every single minute speck of
everything. Before and after.
I hate liars.
cally...@gmail.com
Brandy Alexandre wrote:
>
> You'll have to cite your source for that because I've read differently.
>
>
Are you stupid? "Cite my source"? It's in the thread, dumbshit.
Bo Raxo
Carmen wrote:
> FragileWarrior wrote:
> > "Laninna" <lan...@my-deja.com> wrote in news:1158193924.165515.214740
> > @e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > > sfgate.com
> > >
> > > (09-13) 17:09 PDT NASSAU, Bahamas (AP) --
> > >
> > > Anna Nicole Smith was so distraught by the death of her son Daniel that
> > > she had to be sedated and she later suffered memory loss of the event,
> >
> >
> > Uh, no. That's not how it works. Nice try, tho'.
>
> One was caused by childbirth. Trying to be a good mother and bring my
> child into the world drug free I stupidly chose to do it without any
> pain drugs or a block. IOW, I was a moron. I should have had them
> drug my butt to the gills. 27 hours of back labor. The pain was bad
> enough that there are several stretches of hours each that I was awake
> and apparently had coherent conversations with my labor coach (mother
> in law) but don't remember anything about to this day. The second
> episode was caused by passing out and hitting my head on the sidewalk
> after losing a lot of blood over the course of the previous four days
> (long story short: my "friend" came to visit and turned psychotic). It
> caused me to not only lose a lot of the period directly surrounding the
> incident and the ambulance ride, I also lost (and this doesn't make a
> lot of sense) an entire physics lesson I'd learned earlier that day. I
> had to relearn it in order to do the homework before I came back to
> school. My handwritten notes on the subject looked completely
> unfamiliar even. Bizarre. Memory loss isn't as cut and dried as you'd
> think, so I'm willing to cut Anna Nicole a bit of slack on this one.
>
The physics lesson - I suspect that you did not get a normal night's
sleep that night - whether you were sedated, near comatose, whatever.
One of the functions of sleep - probably the non-rem portion - is to
clear out the short term storage we build up in the course of the day,
transferring some of this material to associations that form medium and
long term memories. That transfer process was not allowed to proceed
normally, so the lesson got cleared out from short term storage but
didn't make it in to medium or long term memory.
The current thinking is that short term memory increases the energy
demands of the brain (which are already pretty high, something like 30%
of energy consumed by the body). Sleep cleans out the short term high
energy storage areas, thus resetting the energy usage back to baseline.
All of which puts the use of sleep deprivation as an interrogation
technique in to a medical perspective.
camille
FragileWarrior wrote:
> "Carmen" <carm...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:1158235860.8...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> >
>
> Memory loss is a lot like a bad back. No one can prove you have it or
> that you don't. Memory loss can also work for things like "forgetting"
> you kid died of a drug overdose so you don't have to testify at an
> inquest. (I'm not saying I don't *understand* her not wanting that to
> be known, btw.)
>
> Every bad event in my life (including childbirth without drugs) I
> remember very, very clearly so I think I will continue to cast a
> suspicious eye upon this story.
Yes, this is totally true. And according to Anna Nicole, she never
knew anything was amiss until she suddenly noticed Daniel is on the
chair and not breathing. Going along with this scenario, there was NO
traumatic event to lose her memory over. According to her very
statement, nothing happened.
But clearly something did happen. The fact that "amnesia" is suddenly
in the picture indicates this, IMHO.
I must say from reading these threads, who knew Anna Nicole Smith was
held up as such a model citizen and mother? I am clearly mistaken
recalling her slurred her words, of her having no idea what was going
on around her, of her drug use, her marrying the old geezer for his
money and sitting on his lap (I wonder if her son was there for that? -
probably not, because he spent most of the time being raised by a
relative I'm sure), for her weird behaviour on TV with Daniel and his
obvious embarrassment.
I remember when Ted Bundy's son killed himself and all the outpouring
of sympathy for poor Ted, because after all he was the dad and, geez,
who wants that...
(KIDDING)
Sympathy for Anna Nicole? Some may have sympathy and some may not.
cally...@gmail.com
Brandy Alexandre wrote:
> <cally...@gmail.com> wrote in alt.gossip.celebrities:
> source. When were in the Bahamas and why did you come back when the
> story is still hot?
>
> --
> Brandy Alexandre
>
> -- Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
Brandy, except for the fact I think you're a disgusting pig and
marginally retarded, I feel sorry for you. If you can't keep up with
the story, don't comment.
ljam
"Brandy Alexandre" <bran...@kittylittercomcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns983E6E45...@129.250.170.89...
> <eveni...@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
> > robbielynn wrote:
> >
> >>> What a great script for a movie! The end will show Howard
> >> > The Lawyer caring for the young girl and garnering sympathy
> >> from the public. - robbie
> >
> > lol,
> > I'm having the copyright drafted as we speak!
> > As Mamma always said, "Its the early bird that catches the
> > worm."..........
> >
> >
>
> You guys are worse than I am. Actually, Howard knows how unstable Anna
> is, so instead of committing two murders, he only has to kill Daniel
> and Anna will kill herself. Perfect evil plot! Wait... I think that
> was the plot in a Lifetime wovie with Sela Ward.
>
> --
> Brandy Alexandre
>
> -- Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
Howard need not kill Anna; she is so dimwitted to pose much problem. That
will come later that he knocks her off.
parula
<FragileWarrior@f'loonsmustdie.com> wrote:
>riverg...@hotmail.com wrote in
>news:1158200249....@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Sorry, but I was once so distressed by my son being ill for so long
>> and then taking yet another turn for the worse it caused me to have
>> amnesia.
>>
>
>
>If it were that easy, wouldn't everyone who had ever been in a traumatic
>situation opt for drug enduced memory loss?
Actually the drugs just enhance the effect -- you can lose memory if
the shock is great enough. I have a two month hole in my memory bank
that began the moment I heard my father had killed himself. I have
pretty continuous memory up to that point, then the blank, and then
picking back up after I 'came to', so to speak. And I wasn't on any
kind of medication at all.
parula
parula
<FragileWarrior@f'loonsmustdie.com> wrote:
>"Laninna" <lan...@my-deja.com> wrote in news:1158193924.165515.214740
>@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
>
>> sfgate.com
>>
>> (09-13) 17:09 PDT NASSAU, Bahamas (AP) --
>>
>> Anna Nicole Smith was so distraught by the death of her son Daniel that
>> she had to be sedated and she later suffered memory loss of the event,
>
>
>Uh, no. That's not how it works. Nice try, tho'.
It did to me.
parula
FragileWarrior
Piper
, totally out of the blue.I dont remember much of the next 2 days, just
bits.It really is scary.
piper
"Carmen" <carm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158235860.8...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> FragileWarrior wrote:
> > "Laninna" <lan...@my-deja.com> wrote in news:1158193924.165515.214740
> > @e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > > sfgate.com
> > >
> > > (09-13) 17:09 PDT NASSAU, Bahamas (AP) --
> > >
> > > Anna Nicole Smith was so distraught by the death of her son Daniel
that
> > > she had to be sedated and she later suffered memory loss of the event,
> >
> >
> > Uh, no. That's not how it works. Nice try, tho'.
>
eggs
It's convenient, but for Stern, not for her.
If TWANS was heard screaming at Stern "you did this", and we assume she
meant that Stern gave Daniel the drugs, then maybe he ALSO gave TWANS a
little 'extra helper' with her prescribed sedative for the shock. If he
did bump off Daniel, then it would be in his best interests to ensure
TWANS forgot all about it - and he could do that by doubling up her
dosage of sedative.
eggs.
cally...@gmail.com
> people read every thread on the planet from beginning to end. How
> stupid and self-absorbed is that? Get on the scale and you'll know.
> But just for you, I followed this exact thread all the way back and
> no where in it is anything even close to addressing what you wrote.
> You have no source and you are not a source, and your assumption is
> faulty because I have read differently. That is why I asked you to
> cite your source--sort of because I knew you couldn't and you did
> exactly what I expect someone of your low calibre to do. Flame and
> deflect.
>
> Here's a tip to posting when you want to be credible and make people
> believe you: When you make an outrageous claim, you have to back it
> up even if it IS in the thread somewhere because it's the height of
> conceit to expect people to run around and do you job or think you
> don't have to quote anything. Yup, deflect and flame, deflect and
> flame. Your lame response proves you can't. You're talking out
> your ass, much like disgusting pigs do.
>
> If you lack reading comprehension skills, don't comment until you
> get a grown up to help you out.
>
> --
> Brandy Alexandre
>
> -- Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
Here you go, crotch-breath. Since it's apparent you need your finger to
point to the words as you read, I can understand why you missed it.
Now go lay down.
Gwen
"parula" <par...@hotmale.com> wrote in message
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Gwen
earthage
Kathy M. wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
> ann_louise_leonard_aka_fru...@psychopath.com> news:eea981$48r$4...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
> > "Laninna" <lan...@my-deja.com> wrote in news:1158193924.165515.214740
> > @e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
> >
> >> sfgate.com
> >>
> >> (09-13) 17:09 PDT NASSAU, Bahamas (AP) --
> >>
> >> Anna Nicole Smith was so distraught by the death of her son Daniel that
> >> she had to be sedated and she later suffered memory loss of the event,
> >
> >
> > Uh, no. That's not how it works. Nice try, tho'.
>
> all have potential for memory loss. And, many others. She could have taken
> something for sleep and for additional sedation. Add that to blocking out a
> traumatic event. It is possible. We all know we don't want to be like her,
> but I am sure she is devastated over this.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,213787,00.html
E-mail No. 8
Just an FYI. Versed (midazolam) is a benzodiazepine sedative which will
cause 20-30 minutes of antegrade (before the injection) amnesia. It is
frequently NOT given to new mothers because they will forget seeing
their new baby for the first time.
Steven Cogswell, MD
MI
earthage
I think this is from Bahamas Tribune:
http://www.bahamasb2b.com/news/wmview.php?ArtID=8962
Anna Nicole Smith's son, 20 year-old Daniel Wayne Smith, had been dead
"for some time" before hospital officials were called in to perform
advanced life saving procedures, The Tribune was told.
snip
According to a statement from officials at Doctor's Hospital, Daniel
was last seen alive on Sunday. September 10 at 6:20am. He was attending
to his mother. An alarm was raised at 9:38am when he was found to be
"unresponsive", sitting upright in a chair in the corner of the room.
Resuscitative efforts were made but Daniel was pronounced dead at
10:05am. His body has since been transferred to the Princess Margaret
Hospital where an autopsy and toxicology test is underway.
=====================
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20416214-23109,00.html
>From the Australian:
Daniel, who was visiting his mother and newborn sister at Doctors
Hospital in the Bahamian capital of Nassau, was seen moving around his
mother's room at 6.30am on Sunday (local time), Ferguson said. An hour
later, the three adults were observed asleep in the room.
Someone sounded an alarm that summoned medical staff to the room at
9.38am (local time) and the doctors and nurses tried for 23 minutes to
resuscitate Daniel, but it was clear he was beyond help, Ferguson said.
He was found dead in a chair at his mother's bedside.
JonesieCat
"earthage" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1158294110.8...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Gee, this is a terrible story. Can't get my head around it. jc
earthage
Now look at this.
http://www.tmz.com/2006/09/14/docs-tried-to-revive-daniel-for-23-minutes/
Assistant Commissioner With Responsibility For Crime, Reginald
Ferguson, said police received a call from the hospital informing them
of Daniel's death on Sunday morning at around 10:29AM.
Officers were sent to the hospital where they discovered Daniel's
"lifeless body" lying on his back on a bed. Crime scene investigators
concluded there was "nothing unusual noticed about the condition of the
room."
==========================
On her website, it said that he was found in a bed. But I imagine he
was moved by the medical staff from the chair either while or after
resusitating him. He was pronounced dead at 10:05, why did it take
another 24 minutes before the police were called if it was suspicious.
earthage
Excerpt from the Bahamas Journal:
On Thursday, police confirmed that the other person in the hospital
room at the time of Daniel's sudden death was Ms. Smith's US
attorney and family friend, Howard K. Stern
Mr. Stern reportedly picked up Daniel from the Lynden Pindling airport
following a flight from Miami, Florida on Saturday and drove straight
to Doctors Hospital.
Just days earlier, Ms. Smith had given birth at the hospital.
Based on a statement released by Ms. Smith's Bahamian attorney,
Michael Scott, on Wednesday night, with one exception, Mr. Stern and
Daniel spent the entire evening with Ms. Smith in her hospital room.
The one exception, he said, was when Mr. Stern left to get food.
"Anna Nicole, Daniel and Howard spent the entire night together and had
a wonderful time with Anna Nicole's newborn baby," the release read.
"...Later in the morning, Anna Nicole awoke and noticed that her son
appeared not to be breathing. Anna Nicole frantically awakened Howard,
who immediately checked Daniel's neck for a pulse and the nurses were
immediately summoned."
Earlier this week, officials at Doctors Hospital said they performed
resuscitative efforts on Smith after observing that he had been
unresponsive.
Officials said these efforts continued for approximately 23 minutes.
"Upon arrival at Doctors Hospital, officers discovered the lifeless
body of a male Caucasian in room 201, lying on his back in one of the
two beds in the room," Mr. Ferguson said.
"Present in the room were several doctors, other health care
professionals (from Doctors Hospital), Ms. Smith and another male, who
identified himself as Howard Stern...."
JonesieCat
I just picture the staff there not knowing what to do in this most unusual
set of circumstances. They probably had to go thru some sort of chain of
command of the hosp's administration??Maybe they allowed his mother to have
time alone with his body before calling cops? Who knows? I dunno, I don't
find that 24 minutes suspicious. Not like it was a gunshot and they needed
to catch a perp kinda-thing, or risk him getting away. I doubt this was a
murder, but was either suicide or an accidental OD. Actually I was intrigued
when someone mentioned DVT. But the autopsy ruled that out I guess? I do
wonder if the kid had some of whatever meds might have been in that room?
But what might that have been? Or maybe he ate something it turned out he
was allergic to (Howard went for food at some point)? That kind of thing
happens fast. Hmmm. I feel very sorry for his mother. jc
eggs
"earthage" <eartha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On her website, it said that he was found in a bed. But I imagine he
> was moved by the medical staff from the chair either while or after
> resusitating him. He was pronounced dead at 10:05, why did it take
> another 24 minutes before the police were called if it was suspicious.
I don't think that *this* part is particularly suspicious. If I saw a
dead person in my living room, or on the floor of the 7/11 or whatever,
I'd call the cops straight away because you just don't find dead people
lying around like that unless something has gone very wrong. In a
hospital, OTOH, they find dead people all the time. So often, they even
have a special room set aside to store them in. I can believe it would
take them a few minutes to realize they should call the cops about this
particular dead person instead of just shoving him in the fridge with
all the others.
eggs.