The Asatru way
Jules
to try to pro and con each......i think I am at least..hehheh
In article <8enqh4$hd4$9...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "OcTavO"
<as...@narnia40.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> You've all probably seen this before. I brought it up on the back of the
> post that Cruise wrote in pointing out that many here seem more interested
> in strong individuals... It was released by the Asatru Free Assembly as a
> statement of their values:
>
> Strength is better than weakness
For the most part yes. But sometimes weakness can be merely how one is
viewed when one instead chooses their battles carefully.
> Courage is better than cowardice
It is, as a rule, but cowardice rarely kills ;-)
> Joy is better than guilt
No. Joy, albeit great is necessarily better. Without guilt our senses of
right and wrong (individual interpretations of those mind you) wouldn't
happen.
> Freedom is better than slavery
Love can be a form of slavery...though I prefer freedom. But freedom can
also be very selfish and hurt some you may care about.
> Kinship is better than alienation
This one I don't buy. Alienation is in the eye of the beholder. i myself
prefer solitude.
> Realism is better than dogmatism
Eh....most of the time, though I have been known to be a bit dogmatic
myself. I consider it one of my more intriguing qualities.
> Vigor is better than lethargy
Definitely disagree. Vigor is good. But sometimes sitting back and
allowing events to carry you on, flowing with the current, teaches you
lessons you may have not noticed whilst running about.
> Ancestry is better than universalism
Um, Hmmm....Ancestry is important. But (my aquarius rising is speaking
here) universalism humbles us. And makes us see a broader picture. A mix
of the two is IMO ideal.
>
> I was wondering what everyone here thinks of this creed. I am definitely on
> particular sides of the fence for some of those statements. What are all
> your opinions?
>
> OcT
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Jules
"Now, now my good man. It's no time to make enemies"
-Voltaire, on his deathbed, in response to a priest
asking him to renounce Satan.
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GMan
Rebekah O'Glass <in...@kultureshoq.com> wrote in message
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> All very extreme sides. Sounds like a receipe for a 'perfect human'.
>
> I would insert 'preferable' in the stead of 'better'.
>
> Strength is preferable to weakness.
>
> No... I like your way better.. nevermind. :)
>
> Rebekah
>
>
> OcTavO wrote:
> >
> > You've all probably seen this before. I brought it up on the back of the
> > post that Cruise wrote in pointing out that many here seem more interested
> > in strong individuals... It was released by the Asatru Free Assembly as a
> > statement of their values:
> >
> > Strength is better than weakness
> > Courage is better than cowardice
> > Joy is better than guilt
> > Honor is better than dishonor
> > Freedom is better than slavery
> > Kinship is better than alienation
> > Realism is better than dogmatism
> > Vigor is better than lethargy
> > Ancestry is better than universalism
> >
OcTavO
Rebekah O'Glass
I would insert 'preferable' in the stead of 'better'.
Strength is preferable to weakness.
No... I like your way better.. nevermind. :)
Rebekah
Maeve Morgan-Crow
universalist :).
I'd restate it ancestry is better than assimlation, which is also a big thing
for the Jewish community, and has been for some time.
The Jewish religion spawned two entire modern cultures by mistake, because of
enforced isolation, but now it's a thing of great pride and it becomes a
quandry how much does a Jew give up to be a part of society. It mirrors Pagan
problems in some ways. How forward are you about your beliefs, especially in
areas where it could get you hurt. Yes, Jews have less of a problem in
acceptance than Pagans, but not by much in some areas. And there unfortunately
are still idiots out there who believe if you're not white-christian you need
to be killed.
Boy did I just ramble...
Sorry,
Maeve
"Religion is for those who fear going to hell. Spirituality is for those who've
been there."-Unknown
Cruise
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OcTavO <as...@narnia40.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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XiolaBlu
"OcTavO" wrote:
> You've all probably seen this before. I brought it up on the back of the
> post that Cruise wrote in pointing out that many here seem more interested
> in strong individuals... It was released by the Asatru Free Assembly as a
> statement of their values:
>
> Strength is better than weakness
I think that depends on the situation...and who's perceiving the strength or
weakness. What one person may see as a weakness, another may view as a
strength.
> Courage is better than cowardice
In whole, I'd agree with this statement. But sometimes it's just smarter to
back away from something...eh, I don't know... ;p
> Joy is better than guilt
If you're talking about experiencing the actual emotions, yep, I'd rather
feel joy over guilt any day. But guilt does serve it's purpose too, that
nagging voice in the back of my head has kept me from making a few big
mistakes in my time.
> Honor is better than dishonor
Can't argue with that one!
> Freedom is better than slavery
Could someone please explain that to my cats? Pardon me, I've been
commanded to feed them their dry food now... ;)
> Kinship is better than alienation
Not necessarily. Yes, kinship is all well and good, but keeping a bit of
distance around yourself, or having the ability to pull back from a
situation can also be important.
> Realism is better than dogmatism
hmmm...nah...I don't think I can really explain why I disagree, but I do...
> Vigor is better than lethargy
No, I think sometimes being a bit lethargic is good for you. There's
something wonderfully therapeutic about staying under the covers all day
with some tea, a good book, and your cats around you that's just lovely.
> Ancestry is better than universalism
I disagree. I think that a blend of the two is the best. It's important to
have pride in your roots, and where you came from, but it's just as
important to realize that you're just part of a very large picture...
Xiola
Philip MacInnes
Sounds very idealised but then again most creeds are.
I do like the last point about ancestry but that's because I'm very proud of
mine.
And should I ever have to pick one definite path over another, I would
rather take the one closest to my ancestors.
Phil
OcTavO <as...@narnia40.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> You've all probably seen this before. I brought it up on the back of the
> post that Cruise wrote in pointing out that many here seem more interested
> in strong individuals... It was released by the Asatru Free Assembly as a
> statement of their values:
>
> Strength is better than weakness
> Courage is better than cowardice
> Joy is better than guilt
> Honor is better than dishonor
> Freedom is better than slavery
> Kinship is better than alienation
> Realism is better than dogmatism
> Vigor is better than lethargy
> Ancestry is better than universalism
>
Rhyanon
side or the other, no room for compromise thing. Perception and the
eye of the beholder, donchyaknow.
Rogue
Let you tell you people, this boy remembers more past lives than anyone I have
ever even read about! Like... what he did yesterday 400 years ago......;-)
>
>I actually quite like that.
>Sounds very idealised but then again most creeds are.
>I do like the last point about ancestry but that's because I'm very proud of
>mine.
>And should I ever have to pick one definite path over another, I would
>rather take the one closest to my ancestors.
>Phil
>
>OcTavO <as...@narnia40.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> You've all probably seen this before. I brought it up on the back of the
>> post that Cruise wrote in pointing out that many here seem more interested
>> in strong individuals... It was released by the Asatru Free Assembly as a
>> statement of their values:
>>
>> Strength is better than weakness
>> Courage is better than cowardice
>> Joy is better than guilt
>> Honor is better than dishonor
>> Freedom is better than slavery
>> Kinship is better than alienation
>> Realism is better than dogmatism
>> Vigor is better than lethargy
>> Ancestry is better than universalism
>>
>> I was wondering what everyone here thinks of this creed. I am definitely
>on
>> particular sides of the fence for some of those statements. What are all
>> your opinions?
>>
>> OcT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Rogue, Warrior Priestess.
...good? bad? ::shrug:: I'm the guy with the gun.....
Free your mind and feed my Frankenstein.
Philip MacInnes
I just remember wee bits here and there and sense wee other bits.
Phil
<blushing like mad>
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Rogue <rogue...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Rogue
who truly deserves teht itle of witch.. it is Phil. The man impresses me with
what he knows... and scares me with what he remembers. He doesnt know
everything about witchcraft from books mind you... he REMEMBERS it. And the
way he follows his intuition.. and his empathy.. and near biolocation -- and
the way he recognizes these gifts and then REMEMBERS how to hone them - all
natural - all passed down from his past life.. truly amazing.
And the great thing is he isnt stuffy or preachy or anything. The man may be 19
but his soul is older than most peoples here.
Philip MacInnes
Thank you honey.
Phil
<as red as a red can be>
Rogue <rogue...@aol.com> wrote in message
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SelenaBlackthorn
>It was released by the Asatru Free
> Assembly as a statement of their
> values:
The first time I read this through, I thought, 'Wow! Now *this* is something
to live by!' It appeals to my desires for strength and purpose, and my belief
that just because it isn't an ideal world, that isn't a sufficient reason not
to *have* ideals. (That is, don't expect a perfect world, but work for it
instead.)
That said, I've discovered some pretty strong reservations--self-protective
reaction, perhaps. Anyway, here's my two bits:
>Strength is better than weakness
Strength is indeed something to prize, but not to the point of arrogance.
There are many feelings and behaviors that can be considered "weaknesses," from
addictive behaviors to a variety of cultural imperatives. (hmm...not quite the
term I'm looking for, but can't come up with anything else right now.) Also, a
number of mental illnesses still carry the stigma of "weakness," as do physical
ailments and disabilities. Strength of self is vital--but every person carries
weaknesses. To deny their existence or to condem others for having them is a
recipe for disaster.
Striving to overcome "weaknesses" is noble, I would not disdain anyone's
attempt to better themselves. I *would* want to be very careful about what I
considered "weakness" and how I treated others in that respect.
>Courage is better than cowardice
What's considered 'cowardice'?
>Joy is better than guilt
No real argument there...but then, I distinguish between 'guilt' and 'remorse.'
'Guilt' is proof of wrong-doing, to oneself, to others, to precepts or ideals.
>Honor is better than dishonor
Agreed.
>Freedom is better than slavery
Agreed--though again those 'enslaved' by addiction, abuse, etc. deserve
healing, not condemnation.
>Kinship is better than alienation
I'd prefer "Empathy is better than alienation."
>Realism is better than dogmatism
Another definition problem: what is realistic? Is adherence to a particular
code of ethics dogma. The language of this statement could certainly be
interpreted as dogmatic.
>Vigor is better than lethargy
I'd change "lethargy" to "apathy" and "vigor" to "purpose." But that's just
me. ;)
>Ancestry is better than universalism
I dunno... a lot of my ancestors did things that I, personally find morally
repugnant. Those who came before me--while valued--have to be weighed against
those who will come after me. When it comes down to past vs. future, I must
choose the future.
And I'm also a Universalist. ;)
>I was wondering what everyone here >thinks of this creed. I am definitely
>on particular sides of the fence for some >of those statements. What are all
>your opinions?
It sounds good on the surface...but I find it too vague in too many areas. I'm
leery of statements of group values, anyway. Too easy to misinterpret.
Selena
The problem to be faced is: how to combine loyalty to one's own tradition with
reverence for different traditions. --Abraham Joshua Heschel
Maeve Morgan-Crow
>but his soul is older than most peoples here.
Some of our souls just decided never to grow up ;)
On a more serious note, my teacher and friend recently admonished me for being
a "teenager" in the age of my soul. I've been doing a lot of thinking on that,
and wonder if he's allowed himself to get too "old soul" if you know what I
mean. He's twenty four in this life, but he acts like he's a grouchy seventy
four. There's no real joy in his life, he moves from girlfriend to girlfriend
looking for his soul-mate, gets annoyed by almost everybody, and he just broods
in the little podunk town he's stuck himself in.
Now correct me if I'm wrong but the whole point of reincarnation is a continual
learning process. I'm worried about him, and I worried about the people he's
around.
The worst thing is he won't listen to me on something like this because to him
it seems I _am_ the younger one, though in this lifetime I'm actually a year
older.
Sigh, I hate not being able to help.
Rogue
Philip MacInnes
much.
If your friend remembers thing in the same way I do, then when it happens
there's a definite feeling of age in there. Like I know my memory of being
Italian is the most recent.
What could be wrong is that he's not defining himself now, from himself then
as well as he needs to.
The search for his soul mate isn't necessarily a bad thing, it could be that
he's met her before and wants to find her again. That's pretty natural and
if he's sensing her presence out there, which i do think is possible, I can
understand why he's so desperate to find her.
There's not much that I know you can do besides forcing the issue that he's
NOT 1000 years old or whatever, he's 24 and he has to live with that.
He's got the knowledge there from all that time if he needs it, and he might
even have the intuition and maturity that comes with great age. But he is
still 24.
It's fine to want to find his soul mate but does he really want to find her
then ruin it because she knows how to be the present her and he's still
stuck in the 12th century?
If it comes to it, you can even slap him hard and tell him to get a grip.
Seriously.
Basically anything to get him thinking about how he's behaving is good.
you mgiht be the younger soul but it doesn't mean you can't teach an older
one a thing or two.
Phil
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Maeve Morgan-Crow <morga...@aol.comantispam> wrote in message
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Fentis
people I know have learned to appreciate and understand the joy within life
even though at times they are exceedingly goofy. I remember my grandfather
would love to throw little fireworks under his brothers chair. They were
both mid 60's at the time. It seems that the VERY young and VERY old share
something in common. It is a secrete that is hidden from those us that are
in the middle of life. To learn the secrete you must be very near
Birth/Death. It is the teenagers that generally feel old and moody. To me
it sounds like your friend is more of a teenager that thinks they have
figured it all out and now they "know" what they "need" in reality of course
they are "arrogant" and they know what they "Want" but they still need to
learn "patience" and some self control. Sounds like you might be the old
soul there...
Fentis
Nancy Liedel
cigars cause it reminded her of her husband who had died. She also got mad
at her push button transmission and took a hammer to the reverse button so
she would have to put it in neutral and push. She wore a top knot on her
head (very odd looking cause most of her hair was short except for that long
hank) and a silver ring shaped like a dragon on her right hand. Her house
was done in art deco and I loved it.
Grandma taught me how to play blackjack (at 12) and mix a perfect martini
(also at 12 but I was not allowed to drink them). She swore up down and
sideways she would die on derby day, listening to the Tigers play ball.. she
did. Daddy found her, water from doing dishes running on the floor, looking
like she was asleep with a smile on her face. I like to think she knew and
was happy : )
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Fentis
well. I remember two years before he passed away he and the neighbors had a
problem with kids smashing Christmas lights in their neighborhood so he
climbed up on the roof with his pistol and allots blanks when they came
around he scared them to death by shooting into the air and yelling hold
still I can't aim that fast... All of this while wearing a cowboy hat.
Unfortunately he fell of the roof when grandma yelled at him... Old people
really know how to have fun allot of the time and their senses of humor can
just be great to see.
Fentis
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Maeve Morgan-Crow
Fentis: I understand what you mean. Before they got sick, my maternal
grandparents seemed ageless, especially my grandmother who was busy enjoying
her life, her teaching, and her grandchildren. My friend acts like the
archetypal Scrooge at times. Hell, even the way he looks and moves he seems
"old" in the very worst sense of the word.
Phil: You know I made a similar point to him about his soulmate not wanting the
dark brooding ancient before his time person. He just sorta looked at me funny.
Rogue: I'll use that line on him next time he starts brooding. Maybe that'll
snap him out of it a little. After all he keeps telling me he's not the fount
of all knowledge.<G>
Thanks again guys,
Maeve
who's keyboard seems to be dying
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OcTavO wrote in message
>Strength is better than weakness
Depends on the perspective and or opinion of the ppl around. However within
oneself I would say that it *is* strength to admit to weakness.
>Courage is better than cowardice
Cowardice has such negative connotations. Perhaps the idea of knowing when
to run in order to see another day or fight another fight is not cowardice
at all and rather a bit of self preservation and rationality. Actually on
another note...it takes a great deal of strength to turn tail and run when
you would rather kick butt.
>Joy is better than guilt
I don't see guilt as an opposite to joy so this one is difficult. I do not
necessarily thing guilt is a necessary emotion in order to appreciate joy.
Guilt is usually self inflicted and very often not constructive.
>Honor is better than dishonor
Depends on the definition of honor and is it going to get me killed for some
silly reason or another.
>Freedom is better than slavery
This I can work with. Someone stated that sometimes love is like a form of
slavery however I would say that it is freely chosen form of slavery. So
the freedom choice is definitely better than forced slavery.
>Kinship is better than alienation
Again I don't see these as opposing poles. Alienations usually happens b/c
either ppl have pushed you away or you have pushed yourself away. Again it
is a personal choice and if someone wants to alienate another they will do
so. I can't really make this one more appropriate sounding, imo. If you
take alienation and turn it into solitary, then I have no problem with doses
of solitary. At the same time I very much value kinship.
>Realism is better than dogmatism
Life is full of both. Hard to avoid and I don't think one is particularly
better than the other.
>Vigor is better than lethargy
Again I don't like the wording. Lethargy could be exchanged for
introspective and still. If that is done I again say that both are needed
in life.
>Ancestry is better than universalism
Oy, again I think both are necessary.
Light, love and laughter,
True
tac/mokosh
expressed a thought, you didn't fart in an elevator!
Mokosh )O(
-- "Are we allowed to eat these men?"
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>All of them are good in my book except the final one, considering I'm a
>universalist :).
>
>I'd restate it ancestry is better than assimlation, which is also a big
thing
>for the Jewish community, and has been for some time.
>
>The Jewish religion spawned two entire modern cultures by mistake, because
of
>enforced isolation, but now it's a thing of great pride and it becomes a
>quandry how much does a Jew give up to be a part of society. It mirrors
Pagan
>problems in some ways. How forward are you about your beliefs, especially
in
>areas where it could get you hurt. Yes, Jews have less of a problem in
>acceptance than Pagans, but not by much in some areas. And there
unfortunately
>are still idiots out there who believe if you're not white-christian you
need
>to be killed.
>
>Boy did I just ramble...
>
>Sorry,
>Maeve
OcTavO
1) that it is preferable to worship one's ancestors and the human wisdom
that they left behind than to worship a deity that they followed.
and/or
2) that it is preferable to hold concern for the past, present, and future
of your immediate tribe (family and friends) above that of the human race as
a whole.
Even when I analyse it I still can't decide whether I agree with it or not.
My brain is fuzzy with age these days ;)
I do adhere to this statement but in a natural and unthinking sort of way,
it was never a conscious decision to follow. It goes something like this:
My family is more important to me than my friends...
my friends are more important to me than my acquaintances...
my acquaintances are more important to me than strangers...
individual strangers are more important to me than the human race as a
whole.
OcT
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> I am wondering precisely what ancestry and universalism refer to in this
> context
>
> Cruise
>
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> "'1' signifies the erect penis, the male principle in isolation, and such
> authoritarian games as monotheism, monopoly, monogamy, and general
> monotony."
> From: *The Illuminatus! Trilogy* by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson.
> OcTavO <as...@narnia40.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > You've all probably seen this before. I brought it up on the back of the
> > post that Cruise wrote in pointing out that many here seem more
interested
> > in strong individuals... It was released by the Asatru Free Assembly as
a
> > statement of their values:
> >
> > Strength is better than weakness
> > Courage is better than cowardice
> > Joy is better than guilt
> > Honor is better than dishonor
> > Freedom is better than slavery
> > Kinship is better than alienation
> > Realism is better than dogmatism
> > Vigor is better than lethargy
> > Ancestry is better than universalism
> >
> > I was wondering what everyone here thinks of this creed. I am definitely
> on
> > particular sides of the fence for some of those statements. What are all
> > your opinions?
> >
> > OcT
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
OcTavO
anything that proclaims that one thing is better in some way than another.
As a matter of fact that's 90% of the reason I posted it here - so you could
all help me solidify my stance on this :)
OcT
Rebekah O'Glass <in...@kultureshoq.com> wrote in message
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> All very extreme sides. Sounds like a receipe for a 'perfect human'.
>
> I would insert 'preferable' in the stead of 'better'.
>
> Strength is preferable to weakness.
>
> No... I like your way better.. nevermind. :)
>
> Rebekah
>
>
> OcTavO wrote:
> >
OcTavO
Life rule #1734
NEVER apologise for farting in an elevator
OcT
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GMan
If you fart in an elevator...blame someone else...
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authoritarian games as monotheism, monopoly, monogamy, and general
monotony."
From: *The Illuminatus! Trilogy* by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson.
Nancy Liedel <nli...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
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> My Grandmother Jesse was amazing.. She used to drink boiler makers and
smoke
> cigars cause it reminded her of her husband who had died. She also got mad
> at her push button transmission and took a hammer to the reverse button so
> she would have to put it in neutral and push. She wore a top knot on her
> head (very odd looking cause most of her hair was short except for that
long
> hank) and a silver ring shaped like a dragon on her right hand. Her house
> was done in art deco and I loved it.
>
> Grandma taught me how to play blackjack (at 12) and mix a perfect martini
> (also at 12 but I was not allowed to drink them). She swore up down and
> sideways she would die on derby day, listening to the Tigers play ball..
she
> did. Daddy found her, water from doing dishes running on the floor,
looking
> like she was asleep with a smile on her face. I like to think she knew and
> was happy : )
>
> --
>
> ***************************
> Nancy Liedel
> ICQ# 10148690
> HPs SMC
> Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock phasers
on
> the Heffalump. Piglet, meet me in transporter room three. Christopher
> Robin, you have the bridge."
> The Alter: http://people.ce.mediaone.net/eliedel/index.html
>
>
Cruise
full enjoyment of life.
I mean, take vigor and lethargy. What would sex be without a contrast
between lethargic and vigorous sex? The ability to be lethargic is one of my
criteria for jumping into bed with someone. Without lethargy my sex life
would be muuuuuuuuch less interesting....
Well put, Xiola.
Cruise
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"'1' signifies the erect penis, the male principle in isolation, and such
authoritarian games as monotheism, monopoly, monogamy, and general
monotony."
From: *The Illuminatus! Trilogy* by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson.
XiolaBlu <dno...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> "OcTavO" wrote:
>
>
> > You've all probably seen this before. I brought it up on the back of the
> > post that Cruise wrote in pointing out that many here seem more
interested
> > in strong individuals... It was released by the Asatru Free Assembly as
a
> > statement of their values:
> >
> > Strength is better than weakness
> I think that depends on the situation...and who's perceiving the strength
or
> weakness. What one person may see as a weakness, another may view as a
> strength.
> > Courage is better than cowardice
> In whole, I'd agree with this statement. But sometimes it's just smarter
to
> back away from something...eh, I don't know... ;p
> > Joy is better than guilt
> If you're talking about experiencing the actual emotions, yep, I'd rather
> feel joy over guilt any day. But guilt does serve it's purpose too, that
> nagging voice in the back of my head has kept me from making a few big
> mistakes in my time.
> > Honor is better than dishonor
> Can't argue with that one!
> > Freedom is better than slavery
> Could someone please explain that to my cats? Pardon me, I've been
> commanded to feed them their dry food now... ;)
> > Kinship is better than alienation
> Not necessarily. Yes, kinship is all well and good, but keeping a bit of
> distance around yourself, or having the ability to pull back from a
> situation can also be important.
> > Realism is better than dogmatism
> hmmm...nah...I don't think I can really explain why I disagree, but I
do...
> > Vigor is better than lethargy
> No, I think sometimes being a bit lethargic is good for you. There's
> something wonderfully therapeutic about staying under the covers all day
> with some tea, a good book, and your cats around you that's just lovely.
> > Ancestry is better than universalism
> I disagree. I think that a blend of the two is the best. It's important
to
> have pride in your roots, and where you came from, but it's just as
> important to realize that you're just part of a very large picture...
>
> Xiola
>
Nancy Liedel
I named my Dog after her. She and my Mom would have understood though.
(Jesse used to raise English Springers, of which my dog is half).
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ICQ# 10148690
HPs SMC
Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock phasers on
the Heffalump. Piglet, meet me in transporter room three. Christopher
Robin, you have the bridge."
The Alter: http://people.ce.mediaone.net/eliedel/index.html
"Cruise" <cruiseybo...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> That is a magickal story
>
> --
> _____________________________
> icq no: 62589913
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> "'1' signifies the erect penis, the male principle in isolation, and such
> authoritarian games as monotheism, monopoly, monogamy, and general
> monotony."
> From: *The Illuminatus! Trilogy* by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson.
OcTavO
OcT
Rogue
If you farted in an elevator with other people around, you are male.
Rogue
farted :-P Now that is bad.. when the DOG leaves the room.
>
>That's what dogs were invented for...
>
>OcT
>
>GMan <dgo...@seidata.com> wrote in message
>news:S3tQ4.701$Xl.5...@news.goodnet.com...
>> Life Rule #1735
>> If you fart in an elevator...blame someone else...
>>
tac/mokosh
Mokosh )O(
-- "Are we allowed to eat these men?"
Nancy Liedel wrote in message ...
>Life rule number 3245: Don't talk about farting ahem : )
>
>--
>
>***************************
>Nancy Liedel
>ICQ# 10148690
>HPs SMC
>Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock phasers on
>the Heffalump. Piglet, meet me in transporter room three. Christopher
>Robin, you have the bridge."
>The Alter: http://people.ce.mediaone.net/eliedel/index.html
>
>
>"GMan" <dgo...@seidata.com> wrote in message
>news:S3tQ4.701$Xl.5...@news.goodnet.com...
>> Life Rule #1735
>> If you fart in an elevator...blame someone else...
>>
>>
XiolaBlu
See, and I wasn't even *thinking* about it in a sexual context, either! But
when ya put it that way...lol! Just remember that if the person seems a
little too lethargic, you may want to check for a
pulse...hehehe...kidding!!! ;p
Xiola
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In article <3912a478$0$31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>, "Cruise"
<cruiseybo...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> I agree with Xiola. Both sides of these dichotomies are neccessary for a
> full enjoyment of life.
>
> I mean, take vigor and lethargy. What would sex be without a contrast
> between lethargic and vigorous sex? The ability to be lethargic is one of my
> criteria for jumping into bed with someone. Without lethargy my sex life
> would be muuuuuuuuch less interesting....
>
> Well put, Xiola.
>
> Cruise
>
> --
> _____________________________
> icq no: 62589913
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> "'1' signifies the erect penis, the male principle in isolation, and such
> authoritarian games as monotheism, monopoly, monogamy, and general
> monotony."
> From: *The Illuminatus! Trilogy* by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson.
OcTavO
OcT
Rogue <rogue...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> my old ex friend had a dog who actually left the room when my friends dad
> farted :-P Now that is bad.. when the DOG leaves the room.
>
> >
> >That's what dogs were invented for...
> >
> >OcT
> >
> >GMan <dgo...@seidata.com> wrote in message
> >news:S3tQ4.701$Xl.5...@news.goodnet.com...
> >> Life Rule #1735
> >> If you fart in an elevator...blame someone else...
> >>
>
>
OcTavO
males or possibly, B) males have learned that it is okay not to care about
what strangers think because they'll never see them again anyway ;)
OcT
Rogue <rogue...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Life Rule #1423
>
> If you farted in an elevator with other people around, you are male.
>
>
> >
> >Life Rule #1735
> >If you fart in an elevator...blame someone else...
> >
> >
XiolaBlu
I think that's a pretty small percentage of the population... ;)
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In article <3912ff22$0$31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>, "Cruise"
<cruiseybo...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> god, i hope it never comes to that...
>
> If I have to check the pulse to see if my lover is still alive then the
> connection is pretty much gone!
>
> Cruise
>
>
>
> --
> _____________________________
> icq no: 62589913
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> "'1' signifies the erect penis, the male principle in isolation, and such
> authoritarian games as monotheism, monopoly, monogamy, and general
> monotony."
> From: *The Illuminatus! Trilogy* by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson.
> XiolaBlu
>
tac/mokosh
"The stranger at whom you farted today
Might have hired you for better pay
Or be the Dad of that "special" gal
Or the Mom of the fella who WAS your pal
Good manners pay, there is no doubt
SO SQUEEZE THEM CHEEKS, DON'T LET IT OUT!
Mokosh )O(
-- "Are we allowed to eat these men?"
OcTavO wrote in message <8ev9k2$b45$4...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>...
Cruise
Cruise
heehehee
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"'1' signifies the erect penis, the male principle in isolation, and such
authoritarian games as monotheism, monopoly, monogamy, and general
monotony."
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OcTavO <as...@narnia40.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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Cruise
;o)
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"'1' signifies the erect penis, the male principle in isolation, and such
authoritarian games as monotheism, monopoly, monogamy, and general
monotony."
From: *The Illuminatus! Trilogy* by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson.
XiolaBlu <dno...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> Hehehe...well, ya know, some people prefer their lovers without a pulse,
but
> I think that's a pretty small percentage of the population... ;)
>
> ----------
> In article <3912ff22$0$31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>, "Cruise"
> <cruiseybo...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>
> > god, i hope it never comes to that...
> >
> > If I have to check the pulse to see if my lover is still alive then the
> > connection is pretty much gone!
> >
> > Cruise
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > _____________________________
> > icq no: 62589913
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > "'1' signifies the erect penis, the male principle in isolation, and
such
> > authoritarian games as monotheism, monopoly, monogamy, and general
> > monotony."
> > From: *The Illuminatus! Trilogy* by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson.
OcTavO
OcT
Cruise <cruiseybo...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> what is the difference between sphincter control and anal retention, Oct?
>
> heehehee
>
> --
> _____________________________
> icq no: 62589913
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> "'1' signifies the erect penis, the male principle in isolation, and such
> authoritarian games as monotheism, monopoly, monogamy, and general
> monotony."
> From: *The Illuminatus! Trilogy* by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson.
Rogue
<< attention to detail ;)
OcT
Rogue, Warrior Priestess.
Rogue
<< From: "Cruise" cruiseybo...@bigfoot.com
Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 11:05
Message-id: <3912ff22$0$31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>
god, i hope it never comes to that...
If I have to check the pulse to see if my lover is still alive then the
connection is pretty much gone!
Cruise >>
Rogue, Warrior Priestess.