(META) Recent Spammer on ATT
Chad Rushing
crosspost across Usenet? He's crossposted sporadically to ATT in the
past, but he seems to be going into overdrive as of late. It would
actually kind of pitiful if it wasn't so incredibly annoying.
Is he actually someone of some importance in various online
fandoms ... or simply someone with an unwarranted sense of self-
importance? What's the deal?
- Chad
TigerMegatron
got here on ATT.
Rob cypher has been spamming ATT for 13+years.
he appears to be this guy with tons of free time on his hands.
trying to make his dent in the world by spamming a obsolete news group
forum called usenet.
apparently rob cyper makes zero attempt to fit into the news group
he's spamming. he appears to have a few screws loose & gets angry &
upset like a 3 year old when people politely ask him to stop.
At this point i'm convinced Rob cypher lives in some sort of crazy/
mental house or jail. that allows it's members to post freely on the
internet.
Chad,personally I blame myself & gustavo. we should have kept ignoring
him let we've been doing so for years.
hopefully he'll calm down when we all start ignoring him again by not
replying to his threads here in ATT.
I'm not certain if rob cypher has a cult following or pretends to be
tons of repliers responding to his threads.
Rob Cypher usually gets banned from usenet almost every week. then
creates another usenet name & starts spamming again on usenet. he
must have tons of free internet provider user names.
WATCH OUT DON'T OPEN ANY EMAIL THAT YOUR NOT FAMILAR WITH. Rob cypher
sends virus emails to those that reply to him on usenet groups.
...also known as Thunder
> or simply someone with an unwarranted sense of self-
> importance?
I would bet on this one.
I also wonder about all the "people" that reply to him. Are they his
toadies or is he like Deathy, with twenty million other IDs that he uses
to talk to himself and perpetuate the spam further?
t.k.
William Rendfeld
He's a jerk that cycles through newsgroups every few years, launching
spam attacks and generally being a pain. Cypher's been driven off
before via discussion of new stuff - Beast Machines, the Unicron
Trilogy, and so forth - and I assume that'll do the trick again.
...although I'm amused by his discussion of the Borg and comparing
himself to them. Doesn't he know that in recent novels, the Borg were
effectively wiped out? Maybe he should switch his comparisons to the
Daleks...
Brian Kilby
He's a lesser-known internet troll but he's been doing it for years.
Gotta give him, he's persistent.
Brian Kilby,
after a recent event, I have to say, I may be the best internet troll
ever.
TigerMegatron
doing it for years.Gotta give him, he's persistent."
rob cypher went years without posting/spamming on ATT. my guess is it
was beyond his control. perhaps he did some time in jail or got put in
a crazy house against his will.
what's the sense in trolling the internet,if you don't blend in & give
the readers some persona.
rob cypher reminds me of all those advertisting info commericial
spammers on usenet.
Chad Rushing
wrote:
>
> I also wonder about all the "people" that reply to him. Are they his
> toadies or is he like Deathy, with twenty million other IDs that he uses
> to talk to himself and perpetuate the spam further?
I actually wondered about that, too. People act like trolls because
they are insecure and are seeking attention from others. If they're
given attention of any kind, even negative attention, then that just
encourages them all the more. Like I said earlier, people like that
would have my pity if they weren't so annoying.
The best thing to do is not ignore them and/or to report them as
spammers to any administrators (Google?) or moderators on a private
forum.
- Chad
Cornholio
Can you give us some titles of those novels? Also how were the borg
wiped out? Last I saw them was of course the end of voyager where they
blew up part of their transwarp network.
Rob Cypher aka "The Anti-Bob"
THE BORG ARE NOT SO EASILY DEFEATED. FUCK WHAT YOU HEARD.
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Rob Cypher aka "The Anti-Bob"
No I don't. Stop lying or you're going to see my lawyer bitch.
Rob Cypher aka "The Anti-Bob"
Don't forget that the best thing to do is to fuck your mom in the ass
and then wipe the cumshit all over your face for being a fucking netcop.
Rob Cypher aka "The Anti-Bob"
No you aren't.
Gustavo Wombat
> Who is this Rob Cypher guy who feels like he has to incessantly
> crosspost across Usenet? He's crossposted sporadically to ATT in the
> past, but he seems to be going into overdrive as of late. It would
> actually kind of pitiful if it wasn't so incredibly annoying.
Why choose? Why can't it be both pitiful and annoying?
> Is he actually someone of some importance in various online
> fandoms ... or simply someone with an unwarranted sense of self-
> importance? What's the deal?
He is of no importance. He is not even important enough to be an
annoyance somewhere other than the slowly dying usenet.
Trolling usenet... how pathetic is that.
Gustavo!
Gustavo Wombat
> trying to make his dent in the world by spamming a obsolete news group
> forum called usenet.
Pathetic, isn't it?
> Chad,personally I blame myself & gustavo. we should have kept ignoring
> him let we've been doing so for years.
I mostly blame the esteemed Mr. Cypher. He's not a force of nature,
he's just a petulant little twit.
Gustavo!
Gustavo Wombat
Did I miss something?
Gustavo Wombat
Google doesn't do anything with usenet, other than present a semi-
functional interface for it.
Gustavo!
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
"Rob Cypher aka "The Anti-Bob"" <bal...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:qnv5j514rgrv88nkk...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:27:34 -0500, Cornholio <t...@mybunghole.net> wrote:
>
>>On 12/23/2009 7:24 AM, William Rendfeld wrote:
>>> On Dec 23, 2:46 am, Chad Rushing<notu...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> Who is this Rob Cypher guy who feels like he has to incessantly
>>>> crosspost across Usenet?
The answer to your question, my friend, is "an asshole."
Chad Rushing
<bals...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> [comments snipped]
Mr. Cypher, feel free to sling all the insults you want. All you are
doing is storing up that much more merciless judgment for yourself in
eternity, a very foolhardy and tragic course to choose:
"But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall
give an accounting for it in the day of judgment." -- Jesus Christ,
MATTHEW 12:36
Given that statement and your usual modus operandi, I would have a
very hard time sleeping at night if I were you. Hopefully, you will
realize the error of your ways and get your act together before your
number is up.
- Chad
Non Sequitur
> No I don't. Stop lying or you're going to see my lawyer bitch.
You don't have a lawyer, you faggot.
TigerMegatron
never,responded to another person's thread on ATT
this has got to be someone else pretending to be rob cypher for
laughs.
Brian kilby mentioned he pulled off the greatest scam on usenet. I
wonder if he's referring to prentending to be rob cypher.
Blaster Master
"Well done thy good and faithful servant."
--
Blaster Master
a.k.a.
Brad S. Russell
"Chad Rushing" <not...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Rob Cypher aka "The Anti-Bob"
I hadn't until you alerted me to your newsgroup's existence.
Thanks for the beacon, drone.
YOU WILL BE ASSIMILIATED.
Rob Cypher aka "The Anti-Bob"
Nigga, I'll beat you until I see the white meat if you keep fucking
with me.
William Rendfeld
The Voyager relaunch novels had the Borg launch smaller attacks
against the Federation following the conclusion of the series, only to
get beaten off again. The Next Generation relaunch novels (taking
place after the events of "Nemesis") have the Borg rampaging about the
Alpha Quadrant, destroying and or assimilating ships and people
(including Janeway). This continued until the Destiny trilogy. That
story revealed their origins to be in a perverted version of the
gestalt mind of a race called the Caeliar. After being convinced to
come to the rescue, the Caeliar dismantled the Collective and accepted
former drones into its gestalt, those same former drones regaining
their individuality and having what remaining Borg components
dematerialize (the novels illustrated this with Seven of Nine).
More details and the specific novels involved are mentioned towards
the end of this article: http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Borg_history
I haven't read them, being only aware of these details through sites
like Wikipedia, Memory Alpha (the canon Trek wiki) and Memory Beta
(the Trek wiki that covers the novels and such), but I'm extremely
pleased to hear about their storylines. I always found the Borg to be
boring compared to the rest of the various alien races seen in Trek -
incredibly scary, no argument, but boring. Having them removed from
the picture is a blessing.
...also known as Thunder
So...you were just randomly spamming us for the last decade
unintentionally then? I find that hard to believe.
t.k.
Cornholio
Thanks for the info that made for some interesting reading. I can see
why you don't like the borg too much as indivdually they don't have any
personality they're simply evil for the sake of being evil. Whereas the
Federation's other adversaries have political or power motivations.
Honestly I'm neutral about having the borg around or not. Also it seems
that offical ST canon at least is going to focus on the alternate
universe created in this summer's ST movie.
Rob Cypher aka "The Anti-Bob"
>
>well?
Hey fucker, he's in alt.toys.transformers. Go there if you want to battle him.
Rob Cypher aka "The Anti-Bob"
>On Dec 24, 6:15�am, "Rob Cypher aka \"The Anti-Bob\""
><bals...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:02:51 -0800 (PST), Gustavo Wombat <GustavoWom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 22, 11:46�pm, Chad Rushing <notu...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> Who is this Rob Cypher guy who feels like he has to incessantly
>> >> crosspost across Usenet? �He's crossposted sporadically to ATT in the
>> >> past, but he seems to be going into overdrive as of late. �It would
>> >> actually kind of pitiful if it wasn't so incredibly annoying.
>>
>> >Why choose? Why can't it be both pitiful and annoying?
>>
>> >> Is he actually someone of some importance in various online
>> >> fandoms ... or simply someone with an unwarranted sense of self-
>> >> importance? �What's the deal?
>>
>> >He is of no importance. He is not even important enough to be an
>> >annoyance somewhere other than the slowly dying usenet.
>>
>> >Trolling usenet... how pathetic is that.
>>
>> Nigga, I'll beat you until I see the white meat if you keep fucking
>> with me.
>
>Get a life, douchebag. You really are a complete nothing.
Your mom thought it was nothing when I pooped in her mouth while
she was licking my butt. I told her I wasn't ready yet!!!
William Rendfeld
> Thanks for the info that made for some interesting reading. I can see
> why you don't like the borg too much as indivdually they don't have any
> personality they're simply evil for the sake of being evil. Whereas the
> Federation's other adversaries have political or power motivations.
> Honestly I'm neutral about having the borg around or not. Also it seems
> that offical ST canon at least is going to focus on the alternate
> universe created in this summer's ST movie.
No problem - one thing college encouraged me to do was to make sure I
could back up my statements. Yay for citing one's sources!
Yeah, with the Borg. So far as I'm concerned, the only really
interesting stories dealing directly with the Borg are "I, Borg" and
"Descent", both of which show Borg as individuals rather than as a
menacing collective. You have a mess of scary cyborgs and it's just
something to shoot at (and a reason to wish that Starfleet would be
sensible and use slugthrowers) - you have one guy, and you get some
interesting storytelling.
And I don't mind the novel/film divide myself - let the novels tell
their own stories now that there's a collaborative effort going on and
an interesting story to tell, and let JJ Abrams and his crew do their
own stuff. That way, they won't step on each other's toes.
ahsan.sa...@gmail.com
The worst part of all of this, is that the BorgSpace fanfics will
never come to pass... poor little Borg.
Gustavo Wombat
The Borg are unlike any other villians in Star Trek. They're just
expansive and destructive -- they cannot be reasoned with, and they
cannot be stopped except by destroying them.
Ultimately, they are the antithesis of Star Trek's very hopeful
message of peaceful coexistence, and the Federation has to confront
its underlying rationale to deal with them. They won't negotiate, they
cannot be stopped by politics or reason or a message of peace, or
anything other than force.
They're great villains for Star Trek.
In my option, every attempt at humanizing them, or making them more
individual or more relatable has been a mistake. The Borg Queen most
of all.
They shouldn't be used very often, and if a more empathetic or even
expressive villain is required, there are lots of other Star Trek
villains that would fit the story.
(They would not, however, be good villains for Transformers, where the
underlying message is not one of hope and potential peaceful
coexistence, but one of unending conflict)
Gustavo!
Chad Rushing
>
> The Borg are unlike any other villians in Star Trek. They're just
> expansive and destructive -- they cannot be reasoned with, and they
> cannot be stopped except by destroying them.
>
> Ultimately, they are the antithesis of Star Trek's very hopeful
> message of peaceful coexistence, and the Federation has to confront
> its underlying rationale to deal with them. They won't negotiate, they
> cannot be stopped by politics or reason or a message of peace, or
> anything other than force.
>
> They're great villains for Star Trek.
Agreed, especially considering how non-violent and diplomatic
Starfleet became with ST:NG and its guidance counselor on every ship.
How does one make peace with a race that has no need for friends,
allies, or even trading partners and totally lacks a conscience?
There's no other option than to fight for your survival or die.
> (They would not, however, be good villains for Transformers, where the
> underlying message is not one of hope and potential peaceful
> coexistence, but one of unending conflict)
You noticed that, too, eh? I'm curious to see the Transformers
storyline titled "Transformers: Peacetime."
- Chad
Gustavo Wombat
Unending conflict in an infinite number of universes...
Even Beast Wars, where the status quo was the Pax Cybertronia, peace
was just used as a brief moment to rearm and regroup. Megatron broke
with the Predacon Alliance not over goals, but over strategy.
I suppose that the very beginning of Energon gave us a brief look at
peace for Transformers, with Decepticons (Demolishor, Tidal Wave and
Cyclonus) having begun to integrate themselves into the Autobots.
> I'm curious to see the Transformers
> storyline titled "Transformers: Peacetime."
That's actually one of the things that I like about Animated. We have
a whole generation of young Autobots who haven't fought in the wars,
who are so removed from it that they can look back at the Great War
with a sense of longing.
Granted, the Decepticons were hiding in the background, and the
further reaches of space, but for a brief moment there was a dream of
a lasting peace. And in the end, when Megatron and his little band are
brought back to Cybertron in chains, there's a chance of a lasting
peace again -- or at least a brief respite that the citizens of
Cybertron have reason to believe might be a lasting peace.
Gustavo! (getting too old for pointless nihilism)
TigerMegatron
Cybertronia, peace was just used as a brief moment to rearm and
regroup. Megatron broke with the Predacon Alliance not over goals, but
over strategy."
Optimal Primal said in a BW epidode that there was peace for over 500
years. while it may seem like a long time to earth based humans.
cybertron being that can live forever,500 years isn't that long of a
time like you noted.
I haven't seen the beastwars episodes for 10 years. from what I
recall. the decepticons had no choice but to surrender or be destroyed
at the end of the great war. some who switched sides or acted as spies
were given amnesty.
I enviosion a small rebel band in the beggining pretending to
cooperate with the good guys. all the while plotting & growing in
members numbers. I honestly think any bad guy strike was hundreds of
years into the future.
ahsan.sa...@gmail.com
> > I'm curious to see the Transformers
> > storyline titled "Transformers: Peacetime."
>
> That's actually one of the things that I like about Animated. We have
> a whole generation of young Autobots who haven't fought in the wars,
> who are so removed from it that they can look back at the Great War
> with a sense of longing.
Wasn't there a series without a Transformers war? "TransTech", I think
it is, from the Collectors' Club magazine.
Very cool looking designs.
William Rendfeld
No war among the TransTechs, no, but lots of other varieties of
conflict. And they do know how to fight.
No One in Particular
>"Gustavo Wombat" <Gustav...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:718bac45-d11f-40d8-bb7d->c5ff4f...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>individual or more relatable has been a mistake. The Borg Queen most.
>of all.
>They shouldn't be used very often, and if a more empathetic or even
>expressive villain is required, there are lots of other Star Trek
>villains that would fit the story.
>(They would not, however, be good villains for Transformers, where the
>underlying message is not one of hope and potential peaceful
>coexistence, but one of unending conflict)
>Gustavo!
In my opinion, that's exactly why they *did* try to humanize them. I don't
think they realized what they had done back in the day, when they first
created the Borg: that they were exactly what you said, the polar opposite
of the Federation. And then they gave them excpetionally powerful ships and
weapons, to the point where the only way the Federation could win was by
trickery. I completely enjoyed the orignal Borg run.
Then it seems like the writers (or the producers, or someone) had an "oh
shit!" moment, when they realized that at the end of the day, the Borg would
return. It was inevitable, given the nature of the Borg and the humans;
conflict was unavoidable. 'The galaxy ain't big enough fer the both of us,
pard.'
And at that point, the Borg would annihilate the Federation.
The trick that Picard used the first time around wouldn't work again, and
they really had nothing else. One Borg ship decimated the pride of
Starfleet at Wolf359(?)-a whole fleet (possibly as many as two or three Borg
ships, even!) could massacre every planet in the Federation, and there would
be no way to stop them.
So they went and made Hugh, and did all of the other things that they did,
in order to kind of scale back the Borg into something that was more in-line
with the stories they wanted to write. And most of those sories were kinda
boring, so much so that I never watched Voyager or much of DS9 at all. And
I basically gave up on the all of novels years ago; most of the ones I read
over the years were absolute crap.
I never really cared too much for TNG, but there were a few standouts, the
Borg being one of them, at least for a while.
Brian. I liked the parasites from the first season episode about the
conspiricy within Starfleet too. Really wish they had done something with
them...
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Gabi TM D'Galvatron
This continued until the Destiny trilogy. That
Thanks for this info .
I'm somewhat tempted now to read this stuff ... , but i'm somewhat
concerned about the quality of these stories as I've given up on the
quality of writing / editing that Pocketbooks offered over a decade
ago .
> story revealed their origins to be in a perverted version of the
> gestalt mind of a race called the Caeliar.
Not V'ger then ?
M'kay ...
William Rendfeld
wrote:
V'ger was listed as another possible origin - the Caeliar origin just
gets credited with the hive mind and the actual name 'Borg'.
...and speaking of V'Ger, does anyone else think that probe might have
encountered our favorite race of giant transforming robots? Or some
Trek equivalent? I know there's at least one fanfic which played with
that idea...
Gabi TM D'Galvatron
> > Not V'ger then ?
(snip)
> ...and speaking of V'Ger, does anyone else think that probe might have
> encountered our favorite race of giant transforming robots? Or some
> Trek equivalent? I know there's at least one fanfic which played with
> that idea...
Yeah , Cybertron does come to mind when the ST : TMP speaks about "a
planet filled with living machines" .
Well , either Cybertron or Gobotron ! :)
I'll offer you a different Transformers/Trek thought :
There were two Voyager probes , launched 16 days apart .
According to Trek lore , one got turned into V'ger and another one got
blown to bits by the Klingon Bird of Prey in the 5th Trek movie .
Sooo ... on which Voyager probe was the Golden Disk from the BW era ?
...also known as Thunder
> There were two Voyager probes , launched 16 days apart .
In reality, yes. But according to Star Trek: TMP, they encountered
"Voyager 6" (having assumed the probes would continue when they did not).
t.k.
Brian Kilby
<bals...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:00:27 -0800 (PST), Brian Kilby <brian.ki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Brian Kilby,
> >after a recent event, I have to say, I may be the best internet troll
> >ever.
>
> No you aren't.
Weak. Dude. Seriously. Go out and get laid or something. We're just a
few days away from 2010. You're still trolling like it's 1995.
Brian Kilby
wrote:
Yeah. I'm starting to doubt that this is actually Rob Cypher. Cypher
used to be a decent troll but this is weak, like it's still the
1990's. Maybe this is a fake Cypher?
Cornholio
>> "Gustavo Wombat"<Gustav...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:718bac45-d11f-40d8-bb7d->c5ff4f...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>> On Dec 24, 3:37 pm, Cornholio<t...@mybunghole.net> wrote:
>> The Borg are unlike any other villians in Star Trek. They're just
>> expansive and destructive -- they cannot be reasoned with, and they
>> cannot be stopped except by destroying them.
>
>> Ultimately, they are the antithesis of Star Trek's very hopeful
>> message of peaceful coexistence, and the Federation has to confront
>> its underlying rationale to deal with them. They won't negotiate, they
>> cannot be stopped by politics or reason or a message of peace, or
>> anything other than force.
>
>> They're great villains for Star Trek.
>
>> In my option, every attempt at humanizing them, or making them more
>> individual or more relatable has been a mistake. The Borg Queen most.
>> of all.
>
>> They shouldn't be used very often, and if a more empathetic or even
>> expressive villain is required, there are lots of other Star Trek
>> villains that would fit the story.
>
>> (They would not, however, be good villains for Transformers, where the
>> underlying message is not one of hope and potential peaceful
>> coexistence, but one of unending conflict)
>
>> Gustavo!
>
I read some fanfic a long time ago about TFs fighting the borg and it
was interesting, after the borg assimilated megatron, they were able to
make a borg cube transform. The TFs ultimately prevailed in the story I
think there could be some good stories about TFs and the borg as
technological beings the TFs would definitely have some interesting ways
to resist the borg.
I do think the borg are way overused but unforunately they're just
another ST villian now. I think they were more terrifying when they were
a largely unknown insanely powerful threat.
Gustavo Wombat
wrote:
Are you sure about that Star Trek V thing? Perhaps you could rewatch
it, and double check?
Gustavo! (or would that be some kind of horrid torture...)
Gustavo Wombat
He was never a very good troll. He just spewed impotent rage and
obscenities, without putting the effort into it to really get under
anyone's skin.
A mild irritant. A nobody.
Deathy has been a better troll than him. Kitty Rose or any of the
other overly-enthusiastic, poorly socialized freaks that pop up from
time to time and then flame out spectacularly have all been better
trolls. They inflamed people's passions and got them pissed off.
But, this Rob Cypher guy? He's always just been kind of a useless
douche.
Anyone can just be momentarily annoying, but to cause lasting damage?
That takes something Mr. Cypher doesn't have -- caring.
(And this was a Holiday Message from Gustavo Wombat, on the importance
of caring)
Gustavo!
William Rendfeld
wrote:
> I'll offer you a different Transformers/Trek thought :
>
> There were two Voyager probes , launched 16 days apart .
> According to Trek lore , one got turned into V'ger and another one got
> blown to bits by the Klingon Bird of Prey in the 5th Trek movie .
>
> Sooo ... on which Voyager probe was the Golden Disk from the BW era ?
...I think you're misremembering things.
The probe that was destroyed in Star Trek V was the Pioneer 10,
launched before the Voyager probes in real life. V'ger, meanwhile,
began its existence as Voyager 6 - in real life, there were only two
Voyager probes. That we know about, anyway.
And since we're talking about a hypothetical universe where the
Transformers and Starfleet coexist, and assume that there was a disc
on just the first two probes (as in real life), then it could still be
on either probe.
Brian Kilby
>
> But, this Rob Cypher guy? He's always just been kind of a useless
> douche.
>
> Anyone can just be momentarily annoying, but to cause lasting damage?
> That takes something Mr. Cypher doesn't have -- caring.
You know, you're right. Trolling a barely-trafficked group off and on
for ten years is pretty sad. It's also a sign of weakness. He can't
troll Facebook, Twitter or some other venue because he doesn't have
the finesse to pull it off without getting banned.
Ka Faraq Gatri
<Gustav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>The Borg are unlike any other villians in Star Trek. They're just
>expansive and destructive -- they cannot be reasoned with, and they
>cannot be stopped except by destroying them.
>
>They're great villains for Star Trek.
>
They're even better in their original form as Doctor Who's Cybermen.
:-D
William Rendfeld
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:26:31 -0800 (PST), Gustavo Wombat
>
> >The Borg are unlike any other villians in Star Trek. They're just
> >expansive and destructive -- they cannot be reasoned with, and they
> >cannot be stopped except by destroying them.
>
> >They're great villains for Star Trek.
>
> They're even better in their original form as Doctor Who's Cybermen.
> :-D
That, I'll agree to. Aside from looking better, the Cybermen are far
more easily defeated...especially in the new series.
Gustavo Wombat
> On Dec 28, 8:58 pm, Ka Faraq Gatri <kfga...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:26:31 -0800 (PST), Gustavo Wombat
>
> > <GustavoWom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >The Borg are unlike any other villians in Star Trek. They're just
> > >expansive and destructive -- they cannot be reasoned with, and they
> > >cannot be stopped except by destroying them.
>
> > >They're great villains for Star Trek.
>
> > They're even better in their original form as Doctor Who's Cybermen.
> > :-D
Except the Cybermen don't incorporate all technology they encounter.
They don't ruthlessly adapt.
And they look like men in silver suits with big helmets and tennis
balls on their shoulders. They're utterly sanitized cyborgs, missing
all signs of humanity. The new series redesign is better, but can
still be mistaken for robots (except for the Cyberapes in "The Next
Doctor").
And, the Doctor has no real issues with committing genocide (he does
it on a regular basis -- often to celebrate Christmas -- and he tries
to do it much more often than that), so while the Cybermen present a
physical threat, they don't threaten his worldview. The Cybermen end
up being pretty run-of-the-mill Doctor Who villains, little more than
humanoid versions of the Daleks.
Starfleet frowns on genocide -- it's not proper and it just isn't
done. But it is the only way to handle the threat of the Borg.
> That, I'll agree to. Aside from looking better, the Cybermen are far
> more easily defeated...especially in the new series.
The Cybermen were killed in "Silver Nemesis" by throwing gold coins in
their general direction. I think that they might be too easily
defeated.
Gustavo!
Ka Faraq Gatri
<Gustav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>The Cybermen were killed in "Silver Nemesis" by throwing gold coins in
>their general direction. I think that they might be too easily
>defeated.
That was a bit excessive. At least in the TOm Baker era when they
introduced that weakness it was difficult to implement. I guess they
just wanted to make Ace seem badass in Silver Nemesis.
Gabi TM D'Galvatron
> > Sooo ... on which Voyager probe was the Golden Disk from the BW era ?
>
> ...I think you're misremembering things.
>
> The probe that was destroyed in Star Trek V was the Pioneer 10,
> launched before the Voyager probes in real life. V'ger, meanwhile,
> began its existence as Voyager 6 - in real life, there were only two
> Voyager probes. That we know about, anyway.
Hmmm , after a little digging I see that you are correct .
I have no idea why I thought of the ST 5 prove as a Voyager , but I
think it was because I never looked into what kind of probe it was so
I made a leap there .