ATTM is up and running.

[Ultra Magnotron]

The trolls have started to try attacking my new newsgroup instead and have
not succeeded. Meanwhile they have stopped spamming here.

[Zobovor]

On Aug 2, 11:30 pm, Ultra Magnotron <ultra.magnot...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> The trolls have started to try attacking my new newsgroup instead and have
> not succeeded. Meanwhile they have stopped spamming here.

So, er, how does one actually access alt.toys.transformers.moderated?
I tried searching for it in Google Groups but it doesn't show up yet.
(Although, something I did caused New Google Groups to revert back to
Old Google Groups, which I am very happy about because I hate New
Google Groups.)


Zob

[Gustavo Wombat, of the Seattle Wombats]

Doesn't show up when I update groups on my iPad (aioe.net, or whatever the
news server is). Does it just need time to propagate? I figure if the
trolls can find it, it must be properly propagated though...

[William A. Rendfeld]

On Friday, August 3, 2012 1:30:18 AM UTC-4, Ultra Magnotron wrote:
> The trolls have started to try attacking my new newsgroup instead and have
> not succeeded. Meanwhile they have stopped spamming here.

The only way the trolls can get a foothold on the new group is if folks aren't vigilant about dealing with them. So yay for vigilance!

And I think it's safe to say that the copycat troll is bored for now. He may come back, or Deathy may come back (assuming they aren't the same person). Right now, I say enjoy the respite.

And for the record, I've been able to view it just fine through Google.

[kerno...@gmail.com]

On Friday, August 3, 2012 1:30:18 AM UTC-4, Ultra Magnotron wrote:

> The trolls have started to try attacking my new newsgroup instead and have
>
> not succeeded. Meanwhile they have stopped spamming here.

Can you provide a link to it? I can't seem to figure out how to browse for it on Google.

Velvet Glove (why they don't have a search by name of group option is beyond me!)

[Zobovor]

On Aug 3, 5:32 pm, "William A. Rendfeld" <WARendf...@aol.com> wrote:

> And for the record, I've been able to view it just fine through Google.

How did you find it? I've tried and tried and I can only get Google
to cough up four Transformers newsgroups (this one, of course, the
defunct ATTCM, plus the fanfic and marketplace groups.)


Zob

[Ultra Magnotron]

On 08/02/2012 10:30 PM, Ultra Magnotron wrote:
> The trolls have started to try attacking my new newsgroup instead and have
> not succeeded. Meanwhile they have stopped spamming here.
>

So... yeah. That wasn't me posting. ATTM is not up and running.

The last post I made about it specifically stated that I have
it running on my local network. Nothing more. No one can connect
to it unless you are on my subnet... meaning you have to be at
my home.

Really wish I could get it going for real, but I'm not sure I can get
a solid moderation method figured out. It sucks.

Um... so... Yeah. I'll let you know when it's going for real.

--
The Transformers (G1) Subtitles:
http://www.box.com/s/931509f9d6b565d675d8

[Ultra Magnotron]

On 08/03/2012 07:35 PM, Ultra Magnotron wrote:
> On 08/02/2012 10:30 PM, Ultra Magnotron wrote:
>> The trolls have started to try attacking my new newsgroup instead and
>> have
>> not succeeded. Meanwhile they have stopped spamming here.
>>
>
> So... yeah. That wasn't me posting. ATTM is not up and running.
>
> The last post I made about it specifically stated that I have
> it running on my local network. Nothing more. No one can connect
> to it unless you are on my subnet... meaning you have to be at
> my home.
>
> Really wish I could get it going for real, but I'm not sure I can get
> a solid moderation method figured out. It sucks.
>
> Um... so... Yeah. I'll let you know when it's going for real.
>

Also, I see he found a way to spoof my email. So that sucks. Don't
know you're going to know it's really me now.

Um... I guess I can just email people directly? I don't know.
Suggestions on this are welcome.

[Optim_1]

On Friday, August 3, 2012 10:35:39 PM UTC-4, Ultra Magnotron wrote:

>
> Really wish I could get it going for real, but I'm not sure I can get
>
> a solid moderation method figured out. It sucks.
>
>
>

If you need help, drop me an e-mail telling me what to do. I don't want to be a moderator but if I can help you get this newsgroup up and running as soon as possible, please let me know.

[Ultra Magnotron]

On 08/03/2012 08:02 PM, Optim_1 wrote:
>
> If you need help, drop me an e-mail telling me what to do. I don't want to be a moderator but if I can help you get this newsgroup up and running as soon as possible, please let me know.

Thank you. I appreciate it. Right now the problem is actually that I've
never actually run a usenet server before. Getting a local newsgroup
with no moderation and some simple filters is easy. Getting a public
server going, with advanced moderation, is not that simple.

So... Unless you know some kind of UNIX genius there isn't much
that can be done. I'm studying though. Learning. Getting information
and it looks like I will have an answer in time. It will just take
some experimenting.

Anyway!

Since my email has been spoofed, and I'm sure others will be too, I
have found the one thing the troll hasn't been able to spoof yet,
although maybe it's just a matter of time.

It looks like the troll is using AIOE.ORG to impersonate others. This
isn't a difficult task. You can post as anyone if your newsreader allows
you to edit the "From" field. AIOE.ORG does not care to verify your
credentials.

If you're familiar with Google Groups you can easily check the
"Organization" by clicking on the little arrow to the right of
"Post reply" and then selecting "Show original."

If the Organization tag containts "aioe.org" then it isn't me.

[Tim Skirvin]

Ultra Magnotron <ultra.m...@hotmail.com> writes:

> Thank you. I appreciate it. Right now the problem is actually that I've
> never actually run a usenet server before. Getting a local newsgroup
> with no moderation and some simple filters is easy. Getting a public
> server going, with advanced moderation, is not that simple.

> So... Unless you know some kind of UNIX genius there isn't much that
> can be done. I'm studying though. Learning. Getting information and
> it looks like I will have an answer in time. It will just take some
> experimenting.

Are you really talking about making a new public moderated
newsgroup for Transformers?

Why?

- Tim Skirvin (tski...@killfile.org)
--
http://wiki.killfile.org/ Skirv's Homepage <FISH>< <*>
http://delicious.com/tskirvin Skirv's Bookmarks

[Gustavo Wombat, of the Seattle Wombats]

On Friday, August 3, 2012 8:11:50 PM UTC-7, Ultra Magnotron wrote:
> On 08/03/2012 08:02 PM, Optim_1 wrote:
>
> > If you need help, drop me an e-mail telling me what to do. I don't want to be a moderator but if I can help you get this newsgroup up and running as soon as possible, please let me know.
>
> Thank you. I appreciate it. Right now the problem is actually that I've
> never actually run a usenet server before. Getting a local newsgroup
> with no moderation and some simple filters is easy. Getting a public
> server going, with advanced moderation, is not that simple.
>
> So... Unless you know some kind of UNIX genius there isn't much
> that can be done. I'm studying though. Learning. Getting information
> and it looks like I will have an answer in time. It will just take
> some experimenting.
>
> Anyway!
>
> Since my email has been spoofed, and I'm sure others will be too, I
> have found the one thing the troll hasn't been able to spoof yet,
> although maybe it's just a matter of time.

None of the trolls (I suspect that there are 2), are technically adept. One uses aioe.org, the other uses off-by-one-letter email accounts and Google Groups.

> It looks like the troll is using AIOE.ORG to impersonate others. This
> isn't a difficult task. You can post as anyone if your newsreader allows
> you to edit the "From" field. AIOE.ORG does not care to verify your
> credentials.
>
> If you're familiar with Google Groups you can easily check the
> "Organization" by clicking on the little arrow to the right of
> "Post reply" and then selecting "Show original."

Probably easier to not worry about it, and occaisionally go "Oh, stupid troll got me".

[William A. Rendfeld]

On Friday, August 3, 2012 10:35:39 PM UTC-4, Ultra Magnotron wrote:

> On 08/02/2012 10:30 PM, Ultra Magnotron wrote:
>> The trolls have started to try attacking my new newsgroup instead and have
>> not succeeded. Meanwhile they have stopped spamming here.
>
> So... yeah. That wasn't me posting. ATTM is not up and running. The last post I made about it specifically stated that I have it running on my local network. Nothing more. No one can connect to it unless you are on my subnet... meaning you have to be at my home. Really wish I could get it going for real, but I'm not sure I can get a solid moderation method figured out. It sucks. Um... so... Yeah. I'll let you know when it's going for real.

Oh. Must've confused the group you were making with the other moderated group that's been made through Google of late. My bad.

Guess the trolls are still roaming about then.

[Ultra Magnotron]

I'm just saying check the Organization tag man. It isn't hard to do.

[No One in Particular]

"Tim Skirvin" <tski...@killfile.org> wrote in message
news:tskirvin.20120804032836$08...@vulture.killfile.org...

> Ultra Magnotron <ultra.m...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>
> Are you really talking about making a new public moderated
> newsgroup for Transformers?
>
> Why?
>
> - Tim Skirvin (tski...@killfile.org)
> --
> http://wiki.killfile.org/ Skirv's Homepage <FISH>< <*>
> http://delicious.com/tskirvin Skirv's Bookmarks

Because the troll(s) have gone apeslag around here lately. The worst is
spoofing other people's net handles and email addys to post spurious crap.
Also, they have been digging up posts from ATT from years ago and re-posting
them as new articles. That part isn't too bad at all, just kind of
annoying.

Brian. Usually they get bored and go away, but this one's got some staying
power. :-)





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[Ultra Magnotron]

On 08/04/2012 07:42 AM, Ultra Magnotron wrote:
> I'm just saying check the Organization tag man. It isn't hard to do.
>

Yep. This came from aioe.org, so it's not me. Seriously, if you can
spoof the organization you'd have me at a loss to prove it's me when
I post.

And, yes, I am daring you to do so.

[Tim Skirvin]

"No One in Particular" <brianc...@yahoo.com> writes:


> "Tim Skirvin" <tski...@killfile.org> wrote in message
> news:tskirvin.20120804032836$08...@vulture.killfile.org...
>> Ultra Magnotron <ultra.m...@hotmail.com> writes:


>> Are you really talking about making a new public moderated
>> newsgroup for Transformers?

>> Why?

>> - Tim Skirvin (tski...@killfile.org)

> Because the troll(s) have gone apeslag around here lately.

That's not a good enough reason.

Creating a new group (and getting it propagated) is hard. It's
harder than it used to be, in fact; and it wasn't that easy the last time.
Creating a new moderated newsgroup is harder. And in trying to do this at
all, you're going to be splitting up the user base of what remains of this
group.

Worse, *it won't work*. It's not going to be significantly harder
for the troll to attack the moderated group than it is for them to attack
this group.

Concentrate on improving your filters, technical or personal; it's
much more likely to be successful.

- Tim Skirvin (tski...@killfile.org)
--
http://wiki.killfile.org/ Skirv's Homepage <FISH>< <*>

http://www.facebook.com/tskirvin Skirv's Social Networking

[Gustavo Wombat, of the Seattle Wombats]

Tim Skirvin <tski...@killfile.org> wrote:
> "No One in Particular" <brianc...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>
>> "Tim Skirvin" <tski...@killfile.org> wrote in message
>> news:tskirvin.20120804032836$08...@vulture.killfile.org...
>>> Ultra Magnotron <ultra.m...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>
>>> Are you really talking about making a new public moderated
>>> newsgroup for Transformers?
>
>>> Why?
>
>>> - Tim Skirvin (tski...@killfile.org)
>
>
>> Because the troll(s) have gone apeslag around here lately.
>
> That's not a good enough reason.

Well, aren't you a Debbie Downer.

> Worse, *it won't work*. It's not going to be significantly harder
> for the troll to attack the moderated group than it is for them to attack
> this group.

Usenet trolls have really gotten much lazier over the years.

[Alden Bates]

On Aug 3, 7:05 pm, Zobovor <zm...@aol.com> wrote:
> (Although, something I did caused New Google Groups to revert back to
> Old Google Groups, which I am very happy about because I hate New
> Google Groups.)

They keep switching me to the new Google Groups format. The way I
switch back is to select "Set the new Google Groups as default" from
the cog menu, and at that point the menu option turns into "Revert to
the old Google Groups" and I can switch back to the old style.

Because the new style is horrible.

Alden

[Zobovor]

On Aug 5, 3:41 am, Alden Bates <aldenba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> They keep switching me to the new Google Groups format. The way I
> switch back is to select "Set the new Google Groups as default" from
> the cog menu, and at that point the menu option turns into "Revert to
> the old Google Groups" and I can switch back to the old style.

The way I've found Old Google Groups is to start over at google.com
and from there go to the More tab at the top, then Even More, then
click on Groups, then scroll down to the Groups link (it's under the
"Social" category) and then click on the link to alt.toys.transformers
under My Groups. Then it stays that way for a while until the next
time Google kicks me out and makes me log back in.


Zob

[Ka Faraq Gatri]

On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:16:42 -0700 (PDT), Zobovor <zm...@aol.com>
wrote:

It's not visible on Forte Inc's server either. Or is it Google groups
only?

"Hello, I'm the Doctor. Basically . . . run." - the 11th Doctor, "The Eleventh Hour"