Beast Wars Episode Scripts?
Toastertron
Does anyone have a URL which actually possesses Beast Wars series 1, 2,
and 3 scripts. All I ever find is synopses.
I need them for a secret project I'm working on... :)
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Jim Ware
> Does anyone have a URL which actually possesses Beast Wars series 1, 2,
> and 3 scripts. All I ever find is synopses.
Season 1 & 2. Not season 3.
> I need them for a secret project I'm working on... :)
Hmmmmmm. And what would this be?
-Jim Ware
Durandal
I have a feeling it has something to do with scripts. ;)
...probably yet another case of some Geocities site copying stuff from
other sites. Drives me nuts...
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give scripts out.
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>ever since the "DENNIS BARGER " incident at a botcon ,hasbro refuses to
>give scripts out.
>
What was the 'Dennis Barger'-incident?
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>What was the 'Dennis Barger'-incident?
Evidently this was when the Men In Black promised delivery of the "Dark Glass"
script at their own convention, Trans-Con. I understand that Barger ended up
bungling the whole thing pretty badly, and after that, Hasbro announced that no
more scripts would ever be distributed. I'm guessing this is why bwtf.com
doesn't get BM scripts.
Zobovor, wondering what Hasbro could possibly have to gain from such
tight-buttocked behavior...
Darwinian Road Kill
: Does anyone have a URL which actually possesses Beast Wars series 1, 2,
: and 3 scripts. All I ever find is synopses.
Well, I do have on my hard drive a script of Code of Hero.
I can easily provide that.
Ryan :>
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> On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:48:22 -0500 (EST), Deatha...@webtv.net
> wrote:
>
> >ever since the "DENNIS BARGER " incident at a botcon ,hasbro refuses to
> >give scripts out.
> >
> What was the 'Dennis Barger'-incident?
When he was born.......I'm sorry, was that uncalled for?
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>
> Glass" script at their own convention, Trans-Con. I understand that
> Barger ended up bungling the whole thing pretty badly, and after that,
More specifically, here's what happened (this is a repost from October
1998.) Bear in mind that this would have happened before Season 3 had
even begun airing; therefore the presence of Depth Charge, the existence
of Dinobot 2, Cheetor's TM2 form, the Autobots setting up camp at the Ark,
BA siding with the Maximals, even the survival or non-presences of the
various older characters to that point -- all this would have constituted
spoilers for the unaired season...
Here's the sorry, sordid story:
Somehow, word reached the group that the episode "Dark Glass" had been
canned, to be replaced with another script. Immediately people began
clamoring to see the script to "Dark Glass". Men in Black saw an
opportunity and took it; they contacted Christy Marx (the script's writer)
and asked for permission to distribute the script at the then-upcoming
TransCon III. She asked Larry D., who said okay, assuming that MIB would
have also cleared this with Hasbro and/or Mainframe. Larry was also
unaware at this point that the script would be distributed *before* Season
3 had aired, though he assumed otherwise.
MIB then announced they would be distributing the script to Transcon
III attendees, creating another uproar among those who wanted to remain
unspoiled for season 3. MIB promised that precautions would be taken (a
legal non-disclosure form to be signed by everyone who recieved a script)
but there were a LOT of doubters that it wouldn't find its way onto the
Internet as soon as the convention was over, creating worry over both
spoilers and consequences from Hasbro.
Turns out MIB *didn't* clear it with the bigwigs, however. And when
Mainframe found out, they clamped down -- hard. No "Dark Glass" script
for TransCon or anywhere else. No more scripts period, ever.
Some people inexplicably blame the whole snafu on the fans who
complained about the script being released before the season had aired.
Never mind that such a release would be VERY much against Hasbro and
Mainframe's best interests, regardless of the fans' positions on the
matter. Me, I blame people who couldn't have a little bit of patience and
just wait for an appropriate time to release the script...
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Avias
>
> On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:48:22 -0500 (EST), Deatha...@webtv.net
> wrote:
>
> >ever since the "DENNIS BARGER " incident at a botcon ,hasbro refuses to
> >give scripts out.
> >
Basically, Denis Barger (one of the "Men In Black" toy dealers (who
organized BotCon '96 and the "Transcon" dealer-based conventions), known
scammer, and all-around crummy guy in the eyes of the ATT community)
attempted to distribute the script for the unproduced BW season 3
episode "Dark Glass", written by Christy Marx, at Transcon '98. He
posted a message to ATT saying it was a confirmed freebie for the
attendents of that convention, which caused a major ruckus on the group,
as the script contained some MAJOR plot developments and would have
spoiled most of the third season.
However, we needn't have worried, as Mr. Barger had _not_ in fact
secured permission to distribute the script.
I have included below excerpts from two post made shortly after the
incident to better explain the aftermath.
From a Post JHooks X made in September of '98:
> Well, as Mr. DiTillio said in an earlier post on ATT, Dark Glass is over. Some of you may be
> wondering "what happened" and "what's next". Here is some info:
>
> Dennis Barger asked Christy Marx for the script and she asked Larry if it was okay. Larry
> thought he wanted it for next year's TransCon said yes. He had assumed at the time that MIB
> had clearance from Hasbro, which Mr. DiTillio was amazed to hear they didn't. However,
> Mainframe holds the copyright on the scripts themselves and they just said the hell with it, no more
> scripts are to go out. Period.
And here's the post that Larry DiTillio made the day before Hooks:
> Well, as I am sure most of you already know , no copies of the script of Dark Glass will be
> given out at Transcon.
>
> I am not going to bore you with the numerous phone calls and e-mails I had to suffer because of
> this debacle, but I will give you one plain fact -
>
> Mainframe has made it very clear to us that their new policy is that Bw scripts are the property of
> Mainframe and that no scripts are to be distributed to anyone outside of the company EVER. If it
> happens, there will be legal action taken.
>
> As employees of Mainframe, Bob Forward and myself are bound by this policy and we will
> respect it.
>
> This is my LAST word on the subject, don't e-mail me asking me anything else about it, I'll simply
> delete it..
>
> I would also suggest you refrain from any attacks on Transcon, MIB, Hasbro, Mainframe or
> anyone else. This whole incident is just a tempest in a teapot that's nobody's fault and Life is too
> short to waste time spewing useless bile. Enjoy Transformers, look forward to our season 3
> premiere in NOVEMBER and I will be around when the shows start airing to take civilized
> questions, comments etc. You are welcome to ask things about seasons one and two or general
> questions, but as I am in the process of writing my final season 3 script, I am very busy, so don't
> expect immediate answers.
>
> Over and out.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Larry DiTillio
> Story Editor - Beast Wars
And there you have it. While it could be said Mr. Barger was just trying
to give the fans what they wanted (and at the time they _wanted_ Dark
Glass), his inept and sneaky methods led to a permanant moratorium on
the distribution of Mainframe scripts. Sucks, doesn't it?
Y'know, this really should be in the FAQ... Hey Steve-o! Isn't it about
due for an update? It still mentions Beast Wars:G2 fercrissakes!
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their supposed "exclusive" microman toy? I showed up at that years Transcon
and got squat (they claimed production delays); haven't heard anything
since. :( Did it ever come out?! Please, I must know!
Warlock (Not above a little shameless begging...)
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John Runski
overboard. Just reading that account of the events smacks of "MIB are Evil".
"Saw an opportunity and took it"? What's wrong with that? They weren't
trying to profit from it. They were planning to give the copies away to
promote the show. The Hartmans see "opportunities" to promote Botcon and
"take them", and that's all this was here (And BTW, when was the last time
anything was given away at a Botcon? I'm paying through the nose this year.)
I can't say whether the rest is completely true. I wouldn't be surprised if
it was, but just as likely, there is an anti-MIB spin on the details. People
play this up as a malicious action, and that's ridiculous. MIB may have a
poor reputation as toy dealers, but this one action was to bring an
otherwise lost story to the Transfans. A story few have seen to this day.
Yes, they bungled the attempt by trying to short-cut the proper channels,
but I think Hasbro's hand was forced in squashing this by the uproar up
people who hated MIB to begin with. I, personally, wish they had been able
to get us this script.
BTW, the Transcon Microman exclusive never made production and refunds were
given, but not proactively. That fact alone forces me to agree that MIB's
business practices are less then completely "honest". There is no question
that they should have ACTIVELY pursued giving out each and every refund.
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:29:56 -0500, John Runski <jru...@erols.com> wrote:
>This is one case where I think all of the prejudice against MIB really went
>overboard. Just reading that account of the events smacks of "MIB are Evil".
>"Saw an opportunity and took it"? What's wrong with that? They weren't
You're putting your own spin on my relatively objective words. Nowhere
did I claim or imply that anything was wrong with it. I think it was a
good idea... just handled in a poor manner. Like I said, if people had
simply had the patience to *wait* --- like, say, until the *next* summer,
when BW was all wrapped up -- it might have gone over without a hitch and
been very cool.
Also note that until this incident, I'd had no prior experience with
MIB in any way, shape, manner, method, and/or form -- and consequentially,
no opinion of them, either. Now, though... I basically hold them
responsible for prompting Mainframe to clamp down on script releases -- or
at least providing the straw that broke the camel's back (the leak of
"Transmutate" before it had even aired the preceding spring might have
been a big factor as well.)
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Durandal
>
> I'm guessing this is why bwtf.com
> doesn't get BM scripts.
>
> Zobovor, wondering what Hasbro could possibly have to gain from such
> tight-buttocked behavior...
If they're "tight-buttocked", I'd expect that means fewer BMs. ;) Get
Hasbro some Pepto.
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John Runski
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>
>
> On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:29:56 -0500, John Runski <jru...@erols.com> wrote:
> >This is one case where I think all of the prejudice against MIB really
went
> >overboard. Just reading that account of the events smacks of "MIB are
Evil".
> >"Saw an opportunity and took it"? What's wrong with that? They weren't
>
> You're putting your own spin on my relatively objective words. Nowhere
> did I claim or imply that anything was wrong with it.
Sorry, but I read those as at least slightly accusatory. Overall, reading
your account left me with a decidedly negative impression of MIB.
> I think it was a
> good idea... just handled in a poor manner. Like I said, if people had
> simply had the patience to *wait* --- like, say, until the *next* summer,
> when BW was all wrapped up -- it might have gone over without a hitch and
> been very cool.
>
> Also note that until this incident, I'd had no prior experience with
> MIB in any way, shape, manner, method, and/or form -- and consequentially,
> no opinion of them, either. Now, though... I basically hold them
> responsible for prompting Mainframe to clamp down on script releases -- or
> at least providing the straw that broke the camel's back (the leak of
> "Transmutate" before it had even aired the preceding spring might have
> been a big factor as well
I agree that it was a good idea. But I would not blame MIB (at least not
solely) for the situation we are now in. The entire fandom created the "big
stink" over this issue and is to blame for the way this situation was
allowed to escalate into such a ugly event. MIB provided the trigger or the
spark that set it off, but there was a lot more history to this than anyone
cares to remember.
It's a shame that such feuding had to happen between MIB and... well,
everyone else. If things could have been resolved, we might have two
Transformers conventions each year instead of only one.
Robert Powers
On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:42:02 -0500, John Runski <jru...@erols.com> wrote:
>I agree that it was a good idea. But I would not blame MIB (at least not
>solely) for the situation we are now in. The entire fandom created the "big
>stink" over this issue and is to blame for the way this situation was
>allowed to escalate into such a ugly event.
I don't feel that the fans can really be held accountable -- just
because they were clamoring for the script to be released, *right then*,
doesn't mean MIB or anyone else had any obligation to do so. Fans, as a
group (not individuals, per se), will be fans -- they will always be
unrealistic in their demands and pipe dreams. But one would expect better
of a group working to organize a convention. That implies a level of
individual responsiblity that MIB apparently failed to display in this
instance.
By analogy, if Hasbro listens to the fans at BotCon who are asking for
solid-gold-plated G1 re-releases in original packaging, and the company
goes out of business when the line bombs like a B-52, who's to blame - the
fans for asking, or the company for failing to recognize a foolhardy
proposition?
MIB provided the trigger or the
>spark that set it off, but there was a lot more history to this than anyone
>cares to remember.
If you're referring to BotCon 96, I've only heard vague (though
numerous) mentions of how it was somehow flawed in various unspecified
ways. At any rate, that's not what's coloring my opinion on the matter.
>Transformers conventions each year instead of only one.
We did for a couple of years... didn't TransCon kinda fizzle out for
some reason or other? This whole script thing probably didn't help...
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Toastertron
Durandal <SPAM...@ANTI-SPAM.REPLY-TO-USENET.com> wrote:
> Jim Ware wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone have a URL which actually possesses Beast Wars series
1, 2,
> > > and 3 scripts. All I ever find is synopses.
> >
> >
> > Season 1 & 2. Not season 3.
> >
> > > I need them for a secret project I'm working on... :)
> >
> > Hmmmmmm. And what would this be?
>
> I have a feeling it has something to do with scripts. ;)
> ...probably yet another case of some Geocities site copying stuff from
> other sites. Drives me nuts...
>
> -Durandal
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