TRUKK NOT MUNKY (Letter To Toyfare)
Recharge
to me (and Trent, actually), but it was good to think about something else, at
least for 20 minutes.
*******BEGIN***********
Wow. It's kind of neat to see a phrase I coined in an issue of
Toyfare; a phrase attributed to the wrong person, but hey, this guy's
attributing a lot of stuff to himself.
(Quick note: The actual full quote is "D00d Optimuz iz a Trukk not a
dumm Munky L0L!!!1", which, while in search for a good name for a
band among #wiigii! (IRC Transfan Channel), I shortened to "TRUKK NOT
MUNKY". I've also taken to calling such brain dead barely coherent
people "TRUKKERS".)
This whole campaign, for instance, you're attributing to Renaud of
bigbot.com, who, as is normal for him, simply plaigarized an existing
campaign from Trent Troop, without giving proper credit. I didn't
expect you to know this, so I thought I would drop you a line, like
I'm sure others have, to inform you that you're giving attention to
what's considered the bottom rung, mold-on-the-refridgerator section
of online Transfandom. An outright thief who doesn't even have the
common curtesy to reply to anyone who asks him about this matter, and
who immediately deletes any talk about it off his little message
board.
I thank you, the TRUKKERS of Toyfare, for your time. I'm sure you
have an article about McFarlane's latest eyesore to write about so
I'll let you go. You D00dz roxxors.
Sincerely,
Gabriel Owens
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Recharge
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A.Patyk
Recharge wrote in message ...
>I thank you, the TRUKKERS of Toyfare, for your time. I'm sure you
>have an article about McFarlane's latest eyesore to write about so
>I'll let you go. You D00dz roxxors.
Insulting them as "brain dead barely coherent people" when they probably
didn't even know the situation is a REALLY good way to prove your point.
Not to mention not consistent with the previous paragraph, where even you
point out that they probably didn't even know about this Renaud cat's shady
antics. Great way to alienate the staff at TOYFARE.
Recharge
humanoids and grunted:
>Insulting them as "brain dead barely coherent people" when they probably
>didn't even know the situation is a REALLY good way to prove your point.
>Not to mention not consistent with the previous paragraph, where even you
>point out that they probably didn't even know about this Renaud cat's shady
>antics. Great way to alienate the staff at TOYFARE.
Whether or not this thing with Renaud happened, I would STILL feel they're
ignorant TRUKKERS. I think they're morons, and, if you didn't notice, the
entire letter's dripping with sarcasm.
Recharge
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A.Patyk
Recharge wrote in message ...
>of his ways:
>>Insulting them as "brain dead barely coherent people" when they probably
>>didn't even know the situation is a REALLY good way to prove your point.
>>Not to mention not consistent with the previous paragraph, where even you
>>point out that they probably didn't even know about this Renaud cat's
shady
>>antics. Great way to alienate the staff at TOYFARE.
>
>Whether or not this thing with Renaud happened, I would STILL feel they're
>ignorant TRUKKERS. I think they're morons, and, if you didn't notice, the
>entire letter's dripping with sarcasm.
Which is, again, a wonderful way to win them over to Transfandom and get
them to do exclusive TFs. Bravo! I applaud you and your scathingly
sarcastic missive! Surely your unbiased message will show them all how
wrong they were the whole time.
Mecha Usagi
--
Mecha Usagi
"He's cute and cuddly...with plenty of firepower!"
"A.Patyk" <paty...@msu.edu> wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:48:05 -0700, "A.Patyk" <paty...@msu.edu>
wrote:
Stranger
things? I think it was Rik when he left...talking about the "Gen X"
mentality - maybe wrong here.
But anyways, a lot of comic/toy fans hate Wizard/Toyfare. While no one is
forcing them to buy it, I don't see how ripping up copies of Wizard on stage
(See: Frank Miller) or calling the Toyfare staff a bunch of morons is
particular productive or mature. There are plenty of titles I don't like,
but I don't call get personal. I just don't buy it.
--
Stranger- Impulse's #1 fan, next to Max of course.
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GARDNER1138
<< Whether or not this thing with Renaud happened, I would STILL feel they're
ignorant TRUKKERS. I think they're morons... >>
They *ARE* ignorant morons...no, wait, that's not the whole of it....they're
ignorant, immature, unfunny, juvenile, stupid bastards. There. I would NEVER
pay for an issue of Wizard or Toyfare.
Dave Van Domelen
http://www.protoformproject.com/dvd/images/hareball1.GIF
Dave Van Domelen, 2 painted, 13 more to go.....
Irrellius Spam of the Potato People
http://www.protoformproject.com/dvd/images/hareball1.GIF
Dave Van Domelen, 2 painted, 13 more to go..... >>
uh.......What?
Here I was expecting something that transformed, silly me. So, It's the
beginning of Wes Craven's petting zoo?
That was....strange.
Al-
http://www.Angelfire.com/mi2/Ob1kenoby/
"I wish i had to defend the earth from the darkness."-TrypticonX
"I think hasbro was a fan character."-TrypticonX
"You tried your hardest, and falied miserably. The lesson is, never try"-Homer
Simpson
Recharge
humanoids and grunted:
>>Whether or not this thing with Renaud happened, I would STILL feel they're
>>ignorant TRUKKERS. I think they're morons, and, if you didn't notice, the
>>entire letter's dripping with sarcasm.
>
>Which is, again, a wonderful way to win them over to Transfandom and get
>them to do exclusive TFs.
"Win them over?" They couldn't watch Beast Wars because there was a monkey in
it. They're not going to be won over by anything.
Bravo! I applaud you and your scathingly
>sarcastic missive! Surely your unbiased message will show them all how
>wrong they were the whole time.
Bleah. You completely missed my point. I'm not trying to do ANY of that.
They'll do repaint if they can and want to. Meanwhile, I'm not about to kiss
their ass because of the chance they MIGHT do one.
My simple point, since apparently you missed it was: They were wrong,
misinformed, and stupid. Just like they are EVERY month.
Recharge, unbiased and "win them over", indeed. Christ.
Recharge
humanoids and grunted:
>But anyways, a lot of comic/toy fans hate Wizard/Toyfare. While no one is
>forcing them to buy it, I don't see how ripping up copies of Wizard on stage
>(See: Frank Miller) or calling the Toyfare staff a bunch of morons is
>particular productive or mature.
"Productive and mature?" Excuse me, you DO collect children's toys, don't you?
Recharge, I was fine letting them run their dumb little rag, until they got
personal...
A.Patyk
:)
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A.Patyk
Recharge wrote in message ...
>"Win them over?" They couldn't watch Beast Wars because there was a monkey
in
>it. They're not going to be won over by anything.
They made fun of Beast Wars, yes. Because it *was* a funny situation - TFs
were super-powerful, advanced machinery...and now monkeys and gators. The
skits about Jetfire explaining his technological abilities to the
feces-flinging Optimus Primal...funny. You may not have liked it, but if
you actually read some of the articles, you may have noticed that they
commented on the improved plots and characterization of the actual show over
G1. Pay attention...if you're going to attack them over a bias, make sure
you're informed about what they actually say.
>Bravo! I applaud you and your scathingly
>>sarcastic missive! Surely your unbiased message will show them all how
>>wrong they were the whole time.
>
>Bleah. You completely missed my point. I'm not trying to do ANY of that.
>They'll do repaint if they can and want to. Meanwhile, I'm not about to
kiss
>their ass because of the chance they MIGHT do one.
Oh, and just pointing out that they made an error that they PROBABLY DIDN'T
EVEN KNOW ABOUT wasn't sufficient without attacking them over it, huh?
>My simple point, since apparently you missed it was: They were wrong,
>misinformed, and stupid. Just like they are EVERY month.
Then, don't read it and you, consequently, won't have to waste your time
writing them about how dumb they are, eh?
Mecha Usagi
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> What about these bunnies:
>
> http://www.protoformproject.com/dvd/images/hareball1.GIF
>
> Dave Van Domelen, 2 painted, 13 more to go.....
>
Hell Yeah!!
HELL YEAH!!!
Them bunnies are AWESOME!
I like...very nice.
Can I buy one?
Walkerton
DIDN'T
> EVEN KNOW ABOUT wasn't sufficient without attacking them over it, huh?
Actually, the fact that they labelled TM Rattrap as "Tarantulas" even though
Rattrap's
name is PLASTERED ON HIS ASS is pretty funny in and of itself. :)
--David
Ah, yes. "Tarantulas" the rat.
www.itswalky.com
A.Patyk
Walkerton wrote in message ...
>> Oh, and just pointing out that they made an error that they PROBABLY
>DIDN'T
>> EVEN KNOW ABOUT wasn't sufficient without attacking them over it, huh?
>
>Actually, the fact that they labelled TM Rattrap as "Tarantulas" even
though
>Rattrap's
>name is PLASTERED ON HIS ASS is pretty funny in and of itself. :)
Which has, again, nothing to do with them being biased. No doubt a picture
got mixed up or the wrong caption was slapped in. Sure, it's humorous...but
does anyone think it was 100% malicious intent that they should be attacked
over, instead of just making them aware of it? Silly venomous missives
aren't going to make things like that LESS likely.
Walkerton
picture
> got mixed up or the wrong caption was slapped in. Sure, it's
humorous...but
> does anyone think it was 100% malicious intent that they should be
attacked
> over, instead of just making them aware of it? Silly venomous missives
> aren't going to make things like that LESS likely.
Oh, no, I never claimed any malevolent intentions on ToyFare's behalf. Just
incompetence.
--David
I like the ass jokes, though.
www.itswalky.com
Stranger
(assuming you're not like, stalking toy aisles for rare toys and snatching
them from the hands of kids yelling "Nyah! Nyah!")
Everyone has a hobby right? Whether you collect coins, stamps, porcelein
figurines, or things with your name on it. I happen to collect comic books
and toys. No worse or better than any other hobby.
As for productive, sure. If my hobby brings pleasure, I think the time and
effort I put into it is productive. A lot cheaper than collecting other
things (I always wanted to collect guns, but there's a price barrier there).
One last question for you, you said that you were willing to let Toyfare be
until they "got personal." I'm not clear on what you think they did that
ranks as "personal."
--
Stranger- Impulse's #1 fan, next to Max of course.
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Stranger
episode EVER). But you gotta admit, that the perception of "regular Joe" on
the street is pretty much "Trukk not Munky"
Just last week, I was in my comic shop and the guy working there was
admiring the Optimus Prime bust with another customer. And to paraphrase
him, he said "yeah, and he's supposed to be a monkey or something now. What
the heck's up with that?"
C'mon, if you weren't a TF fan, wouldn't that be how the situation looked
like to you? Raise of hands...who here when they heard that Superman was
changing costumes and becoming "electric" thought "what the heck are they
doing? They're gonna' RUIN Superman! That's how things look liek to people
outside of fandom. When most comic-fans knew it was just a temporary
storyline.
--
Stranger- Impulse's #1 fan, next to Max of course.
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A.Patyk
Walkerton wrote in message ...
>picture
>> got mixed up or the wrong caption was slapped in. Sure, it's
>humorous...but
>> does anyone think it was 100% malicious intent that they should be
>attacked
>> over, instead of just making them aware of it? Silly venomous missives
>> aren't going to make things like that LESS likely.
>
>Oh, no, I never claimed any malevolent intentions on ToyFare's behalf.
Just
>incompetence.
Right, I was just drawing a connection to Recharge's pointlessly derogatory
letter and the fact that he's attributing vengeful intent where there is
most likely none.
>--David
>I like the ass jokes, though.
Who doesn't? :)
Daniel Suh
grossly inane, and completely biased dirt rag. It ought to be renamed
"McFarlaneFare" for all the space they devote to Todd's latest batch of
hideously deformed statues. Indeed, while I applaud Trent Troop's earnest
efforts and abhor Renaud's thieving behaviour, I wouldn't be surprised if
ToyFare botches this opportunity and offers up a pink and green Optimus
Minor.
Suspsy
"Place brawn before brains and victory is yours." -Squeezeplay
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did good ones
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:44:07 GMT, "Daniel Suh" <danie...@home.com>
wrote:
A.Patyk
as I'm concerned. It's not meant to be a definitive, dry magazine about the
industry. Any casual perusal of their format will easily show you that it's
about having fun, whether you agree with it or not.
Daniel Suh wrote in message ...
Stranger
Childishly written: Can't really argue with that as that's opinion more than
anything else. Depends on what you mean by "childish" and whether you think
that's a good thing or bad thing. Though clearly, the tone they reach for
isn't "serious and reserved." They try to be fun more than anythign
else..the "PC Accelerator" (well, now "PC Gamer") of the toy world.
Grossly inane: What do you think is so inane? Ok, it's a magazine about
toys...what do you think they should do more of? To take this week's issue,
we got:
1. a letter's page which is standard,
2. then a News sectionabout various topics (GI Joe, Simpsons, Man named
Optimus prime, Toy websites, etc...),
3. then a look at upcoming toy lines
4. then a piece on Asian toys we never got based on famous movies
5.Then a piece on a Chinese factory where toys are made.
6 Twisted Mego Theatre (your inane point may work here, though I think its
funny).
7. Then news about Toys from the rest of the world.
8. A Marketplace section on second-hand prices.
9. The Top Ten Hottest Toys
10. And finally, the Price Guide.
I would argue that if you're gonna make a magazine on toys, these are all
pertinent and valid things to include in your magazine. What changes would
you make to make it less "inane"?
Completely biased: Hmmn, another tricky argument...don't know how I can
tackle it. Usually, when we say "bias" we refer to the media pushing an
agenda instead of being fair. For example, a newspaper reports that
"Firestone Tires fail in thousands of accidents!" without saying that their
rate of failure is about the same for all other tires. (I just made that
one up). So, how would you say that Toyfare is biased in how they cover the
toy industry?
McFarlanfare: You say they devote an inordinate amount of space to
McFarlane Toys. Ok, to take the latest issue again, in their "Incoming!"
section (which I believe is the largest section next to the Price guide
itself and is the part that has pictures and talks about upcoming toys).
Now, you would think if all they ever do is cover McFarlane Toys, McFarlane
will be all over this section. Well, the section is 14 pages long and
covers 17 different lines. Of these lines, McFarlane Toys is responsible
for.......exactly 1. Their "Army of Darkness" toy.
Taking another section, the Top Ten Hottest Toys, McFarlane doesn't even
have anything on the list. (Looks like Simpsons is King with 5 of the 10
hottest toys). I don't think McFarlane Toys really popped up in any other
sections either.
Now, does this prove that Toyfare in fact HATES McFarlane Toys? No, it's
obvious they like the work the company does (personally, I'm with you- I've
only bought 3 McFarlane toys in my entire life- they don't really do much
for me). But judging by the amount of sales the company does, it's clear
they're not the only ones who like the toys. You have the right to hate
everyone who has different likes than you, but it's not fair to say they're
"McFarlane's whores". I hope my "evidence" as it were is enough to
convince you that they really don't "devote so much space to McFarlane."
One last thing, I'm not trying to antagonize ya' here, just trying to
approach your arguments in a thourough and logical manner.
--
Stranger- Impulse's #1 fan, next to Max of course.
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retract my statements and declare my undying love for ToyFare, it ain't
gonna happen. Sorry, but I just can't get behind a magazine which seems like
it was written by a bunch of guys with scat fetishes who never got laid in
college (and probably haven't to this day). And then there's the decidedly
anti-BW stance that they've taken. Thanks but no thanks.
And while Twisted Mego Theatre is admittedly funny, it's still not enough to
rescue ToyFare from being crap.
Suspsy, hey, if you enjoy it, that's fine with me
"If you race me, you will lose." -Gearhead
Recharge
humanoids and grunted:
<snippy bo>
I'm sorry, A. I just got told you were seeking a job with this company. Hey,
go for it. If you see me attacking them again, just ignore it. I really don't
care enough right now to argue about this. Get your internship and stuff.
Recharge
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Stranger
Thank you for your cordial response.
And if you just like Twisted Mego Theatre, they recently released a
collection of it, so you can pick that up without all that other stuff from
the magazine you may not like.
--
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humanoids and grunted:
>Actually, yeah. I never saw collecting toys as particulary immature.
Hey, me either. But, the majority of the world finds anyone over the age of
eleven collecting toys immature. Whether or not that's correct, that's the
image.
>Everyone has a hobby right? Whether you collect coins, stamps, porcelein
>figurines, or things with your name on it. I happen to collect comic books
>and toys. No worse or better than any other hobby.
True. But coins and stamps are considered somewhat more acceptable as
collector's items than comics or toys.
>As for productive, sure. If my hobby brings pleasure, I think the time and
>effort I put into it is productive. A lot cheaper than collecting other
>things (I always wanted to collect guns, but there's a price barrier there).
Not the point. Most people would not find an adult collecting children's toys
productve, whether you though so or not.
>One last question for you, you said that you were willing to let Toyfare be
>until they "got personal." I'm not clear on what you think they did that
>ranks as "personal."
A phrase I coined was attributed to the wrong person, a person I incredibly
dislike for many reasons. I think those circumstances would piss anyone off.
Recharge
Recharge
humanoids and grunted:
>To Address your points:
(I'll address your points in one rant, so please standbye :P)
>
>Childishly written: Can't really argue with that as that's opinion more than
>anything else. Depends on what you mean by "childish" and whether you think
>that's a good thing or bad thing. Though clearly, the tone they reach for
>isn't "serious and reserved." They try to be fun more than anythign
>else..the "PC Accelerator" (well, now "PC Gamer") of the toy world.
"Childish" being "overly opinionated". Optimal Optimus got fifth place as a
WRTIE IN VOTE (they didn't deem him good enough for their top five list that
year.). Obviously, they pay little attention to actual toys and what
collector's *like* as opposed to what they personally want to push. Beast Wars,
despide constantly being in the top five selling toys of the year for *several*
years of this magazines publication, received NO coverage. None. Look back at
the first two years of Toyfare and count the number of articles about
McFarlane's Crap, and then count the number of BW article (I'll help: It's
under three). That's a blatant preference bias, not one by actual sales or
what their customers wanted to actually SEE (Again, count what SELLED that year.
(fuck, I hope Sipher backs me up on this.). How's THAT for unprofessional,
college immature, opinionated, crap? That's it in a nutshell. I'd have less
problems if they'd just declare themselves fans, opinionated people as opposed
to any type of real toy journalist. I have no problem with jokes, sarcasm, or
low brow humor (Hey, we're Wiigii!).
Recharge
Stranger
and check out the latest Beast Wars line?" "Nah, that's stupid"
Here's how I see it. Toyfare spun out of Wizard. I certainly think their
main readership is made up of a specific segment of "fandom." This is the
segment who is just as likely to buy toys at their comic shop as hunt Toys R
Us for the latest Star Wars wave. Video game, movie, wrestling and horror
toys seem to be real in vogue among these types of collectors. For these
folks, 80's nostalgia really is 80's nostalgia (as opposed to us, who still
have Transformers in our current lives). So you see a lot of coverage on
toys from Palisades and McFarlane- the type of toys these folks like. Have
you seen the hype surrounding those Clive Barker-type figures? (I think it's
called the "Tortured Souls" line...of really freaky things happening to
freaky people, or of the "Porn star Alice and Little Red Riding hood").
Now, I bet that these lines don'teven show up on any Top 20 lists of the
general toy-buying public. But I would bet money that the percentage of
Toyfare readers who buy these lines is much higher than the percentage that
Lee's Guide's readers does.
So, you really don't see a lot of coverage on things their particular
audience doesn't like as much. The 12" Collector's Dolls gets cursory
coverage. Power Rangers and Beast Wars never got coverage either.
So, I don't think it's a "personal bias and they're ignoring they're
customers." In fact, i think your problems with them stem from the fact
that they ARE listening to their customers.
And heck, I agree with ya' there. I have no interest in a lot of "hot toy
lines" right now. If it were up to me, Toyfare would focus only on DC and
MArvel toys and Transformers.
As for as them just being fans, yeah, they were fans. Now they get paid to
put out a magazine. Hopefully, once Patyk starts his internship, he'll be
able to tell us whether they're just a buncha' kids playing at "business" or
whether they are actually professionals who have to work hard to put togther
a magazine and write articles with some ability. Hopefully, it's the
latter.
--
Stranger- Impulse's #1 fan, next to Max of course.
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> (I'll address your points in one rant, so please standbye :P)
> "Childish" being "overly opinionated". Optimal Optimus got fifth place as
Duo Maxwell
> > On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:07:41 -0500, Stranger attempted to make noise
like
> the
> > humanoids and grunted:
> > >But anyways, a lot of comic/toy fans hate Wizard/Toyfare. While no one
> is
> > >forcing them to buy it, I don't see how ripping up copies of Wizard on
> stage
> > >(See: Frank Miller) or calling the Toyfare staff a bunch of morons is
> > >particular productive or mature.
> >
Frank Miller publically ripped up a copy of Wizard?
He kicks even more ass than he already did.
Irrellius Spam of the Potato People
general toy-buying public. >>
Toyfare would be dedicated to Digimon and Power Rangers if it was anywhere
close to the true general toy-buying public. God that's a scary thought.
Toyfare ain't great, but it could be much worse.
GARDNER1138
He kicks even more ass than he already did. >>
You know it! I hate that f***ing rag. The only thing that stupid, biased (they
have their collective noses up Kevin Smith's ass, claiming he is Orson Welles)
degrading, base, unfunny magazine is for would be starting a fire.
Oh, and Toyfare is worse. It's for people that thought the dialogue to Biodome
was witty repartee.
A.Patyk
GARDNER1138 wrote in message
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>You know it! I hate that f***ing rag. The only thing that stupid, biased
(they
>have their collective noses up Kevin Smith's ass, claiming he is Orson
Welles)
>degrading, base, unfunny magazine is for would be starting a fire.
>
>Oh, and Toyfare is worse. It's for people that thought the dialogue to
Biodome
>was witty repartee.
>
Yeah, you just wish you could come up with that many different ass jokes,
that's all. :)
GARDNER1138
that's all. :) >>
I don't know how they keep coming up with fart and ass jokes....I tell's
ya...that's true literary talent.
Marv (Chris)
transformers fans after all.
Marv (Chris)
Robotech_Master
<Marvel...@webtv.net> wrote:
> Who is Frank Miller?
Comic book writer of some repute. Wrote the _Batman: Year One_
miniseries, which is being turned into the next Batman franchise
movie.
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Neale Davidson
> transformers fans after all.
Let me say it simply...
Renaud has done more damage to the 'fandom' as a whole than all the other
'fan-trolls' /combined/. He's posed as Bob Skir for the express purpose of
flaming
other fans. He's taken content and credit from every major fan-site,
including
Ben Yee, myself, Trent Troop, and Dave Domelon, without anyone's permission.
He's lied about his credentials to major publications, etc...
And Toyfaire is bedding him right now.
Neale
Walkerton
> 'fan-trolls' /combined/. He's posed as Bob Skir for the express purpose of
> flaming
> other fans. He's taken content and credit from every major fan-site,
> including
> Ben Yee, myself, Trent Troop, and Dave Domelon, without anyone's
permission.
> He's lied about his credentials to major publications, etc...
He's an evil evil man.
> And Toyfaire is bedding him right now.
Ew. Renaud can have them. /:)
--David
www.itswalky.com/transformers/bigbotplagiarism.html
Trent Troop
Marv (Chris) <Marvel...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Why is Walky so mad at Renaud.
To quote myself from another thread in this newsgroup:
>>>Thanks to Walky for pointing this out to me:
"A big chunk of the 'Fanfare' inbox this month came from the faithful
readers of BigBot.com, home to the most rabid Transformers geeks in all of
fandom. Several hundred form letters poured in requesting that ToyFare do a
Transformrs exclusive. While I have no idea what exclusives are in the
works, BigBot.com gets a big round of applause for rallying the troops so
efficiently. We're impressed; rest assured, we're looking into it. According
to BigBot.com, 'Trukk not munky' is ToyFare's dimwitted view that car robots
are better than Beast Wars robots. Hey, who's gonna tell us we're wrong?"
Thanks to everyone who wrote an email or sent a letter. We got their
attention. Sure, Renaud stole the credit, but the RESULT is what I'm
concerned with, and we got the wheels turning. Keep encouraging the folks at
TF and hopefully other magazines, cons and such can get on the bandwagon,
which will mean more TFs for everyone. If you're going to correct their
attribution of the effort, do so gently. Bitterness is not becoming for a
fandom. They're still learning, after all.
Am I upset about how it got attributed? Yes, a it. But all and all this is a
good thing. Its not like anyone could have stopped bigbot from stealing the
petitions and rewording them, but the fandom came together and got something
done. This wasn't about ego, this was about a fandom wide effort. And I saw
that. So to me, this is a victory.
As for the TRUKK NOT MUNKY thing. Anyone who disagrees is gonna tell ya
that.<<<
If you want the blow-by-blow, check out the original thread on Allspark:
http://pub13.ezboard.com/ftheallsparkbeastmachinesdiscussion.showMessage?top
icID=13746.topic
That will give you the run down of the entire series of events, as they
happened, starting 6/6/01.
-Trnet
Sky Shadow
> They made fun of Beast Wars, yes. Because it *was* a funny situation -
TFs
> were super-powerful, advanced machinery...and now monkeys and gators. The
> skits about Jetfire explaining his technological abilities to the
> feces-flinging Optimus Primal...funny. You may not have liked it, but if
> you actually read some of the articles, you may have noticed that they
> commented on the improved plots and characterization of the actual show
over
> G1. Pay attention...if you're going to attack them over a bias, make sure
> you're informed about what they actually say.
They actually say that Jetfire is the best Transformer ever, which is
annoying on many levels. For one thing, no Transfomer who looked like
Jetfire appeared in any Transformers medium and no character even called
Jetfire appeared in the show. The only reason they can have for liking
Jetfire so much is the fact that he's a Robotech vehicle, which is pretty
insulting, as it basically spits in the face of Transformerdom: spittle that
states that the best Transformer is Jetfire because basically, R0b0+e(h
r00Lz @Nd +r@n$f0rMEr$ $uXX0rZ.
There *are* some likeable things about Jetfire: his Tech-Specs and his role
in Target:2006 are the only things that spring to my mind, but he's not the
best Transformer by a long way. Unless, of course, you really don't like
Transformers.
Sky Shadow. Sold Jetfire to my stepbrother for $5 and don't even vaguely
regret it.
--
"WIZE MODERATER: Choose your weapon!
Sky Shadow wanders up and down the table for a second, and finally picks up
a small tube of lipstick."
(From *Brian Kilby vs. Sky Shadow*, by Dude Winchester).
Stranger
original line was an amalagation of different lines. If you say, "only
Diaclone toys count as real transformers" you leave out the Microman line
(SOundwave, Megatron et al).. And Bandai toys contributed to Transformers
too, with Deluxe Insecticons and Omega Supreme. Jetfire and Shockwave also
just happened to come from different companies. Wasn't Predaking also from a
different company than Takara?
They all made up the wonderful fabric that is Transformers.
--
Stranger- Impulse's #1 fan, next to Max of course.
Sky Shadow <jorda...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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Citizen V
>Well, Jetfire is as much of a Transformers toy as Optimus Prime.
I agree with this. Just so that's clear.
>And Bandai toys contributed to Transformers
>too, with Deluxe Insecticons and Omega Supreme. Jetfire and Shockwave
also
>just happened to come from different companies. Wasn't Predaking also from
a
>different company than Takara?
But Bandai didn't do Omega Supreme. Him, Sky Lynx and apparently Shockwave
were from Toy Box, which had gone out of business before the TF line was
created.
Bandai was DX Insecticons and Jetfire; Takara was Microman, Diaclone and DX
Autobots (Dorvack); Toy Box was Omega Supreme, Sky Lynx and Shockwave...
Predaking was designed for Takara by some guy who either would later or
already had worked for Bandai, which is why Predaking resembles some
Sentai/Power Ranger toy...
--
Alex "Insert Random Magical Mutating Mystery Thought" Amar
Baron...@Yahoo.ca
-Visit My Transformers Museum!-
http://ramaxela.topcities.com/
Duo Maxwell
> They actually say that Jetfire is the best Transformer ever, which is
> annoying on many levels. For one thing, no Transfomer who looked like
> Jetfire appeared in any Transformers medium and no character even called
> Jetfire appeared in the show. The only reason they can have for liking
> Jetfire so much is the fact that he's a Robotech vehicle, which is pretty
> insulting, as it basically spits in the face of Transformerdom: spittle
that
> states that the best Transformer is Jetfire because basically, R0b0+e(h
> r00Lz @Nd +r@n$f0rMEr$ $uXX0rZ.
Toyfare pretty much hates anime though.
They just realize the Macross Valkyrie for the greatness it is.
GARDNER1138
always right!) wrote:
<< They actually say that Jetfire is the best Transformer ever, which is
annoying on many levels. For one thing, no Transfomer who looked like Jetfire
appeared in any Transformers medium and no character even called Jetfire
appeared in the show. The only reason they can have for liking
Jetfire so much is the fact that he's a Robotech vehicle, which is pretty
insulting, as it basically spits in the face of Transformerdom: spittle that
states that the best Transformer is Jetfire because basically, R0b0+e(h r00Lz
@Nd +r@n$f0rMEr$ $uXX0rZ. >>
Uh, yeah. I agree 101%. I wouldn't pay going price for Jetfire. First of all,
he's not the Skyfire/Jetfire from the show or comic, which was a far more
interesting character(the pacifist-scientist who must choose
sides)/figure/model, and looked like it fit in the TFs universe. Jetfire, the
toy, looked like just another Macross fighter...I honestly can't tell the
difference. But, let's not forget that everything that looks and sounds and is
related to anime is keewwwl. Not to mention the fact that he has tons of extra
kibble that you snap on before and after...an idea that never made sense. so,
what...? When he transforms they stay suspended in air and then reform.
Whatever.
What next? "Skylinx rocks!!!!"?
GARDNER1138
<< And Bandai toys contributed to Transformers too, with Deluxe Insecticons and
Omega Supreme. >>
I thought Omega was Toybox...Help?
<< Well, Jetfire is as much of a Transformers toy as Optimus Prime. >>
I think Sky's point, and my point was, that the Microman and Diaclone had a
certain aesthetic motif that they created...a look to the line: a warm, alien,
70's sci-fi look to them....they looked like they fit together. And, then you
had Jetfire, who looked like somebody snuck a Valkyrie in...Didn't have the
same properties, really, as most of the other toys around the same time. And,
yes, neither did Roadbuster or Whirl, but they were Wreckers on Cybertron, so
that's okay that they don't look like their brothers who had adapted to earthen
forms. Still, they don't really fit, but it doesn't upset me as much 'cause I
don't have to hear every 5 minutes how "Whirl is the greatest Transformer
ever".
Zobovor the Insane Genius
>Ssssstranger sssssaid:
Thisss isss the world, Mr. Drath! Everything isss for sssale!
>> And Bandai toys contributed to Transformers too, with Deluxe
>>Insecticons and Omega Supreme.
>
>I thought Omega was Toybox...Help?
Points for the man with the hoe. (Heh. Gardening joke.) Omega Supreme and
Sky Lynx were both Toy Box in origin; Bandai, meanwhile, contributed the Deluxe
Autobots in addition to the Deluxe Insecticons and Jetfire.
Stranger
(didn't help that none of them got to be in the show), although I disagree
that the Microman and Diaclone made a unified look. Just personal opinion
really, but once I learned that they were originally from Japan from two
different lines, a lot of things started to make sense. (Ahhh, so that's
why Soundwave is absurdly larger then everyone else!)
--
Stranger- Impulse's #1 fan, next to Max of course.
GARDNER1138 <gardn...@cs.com> wrote in message
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Duo Maxwell
Duo Maxwell
> Uh, yeah. I agree 101%. I wouldn't pay going price for Jetfire. First of
all,
> he's not the Skyfire/Jetfire from the show or comic, which was a far more
> interesting character(the pacifist-scientist who must choose
> sides)/figure/model, and looked like it fit in the TFs universe. Jetfire,
the
> toy, looked like just another Macross fighter...I honestly can't tell the
> difference. But, let's not forget that everything that looks and sounds
and is
> related to anime is keewwwl. Not to mention the fact that he has tons of
extra
> kibble that you snap on before and after...an idea that never made sense.
so,
> what...? When he transforms they stay suspended in air and then reform.
> Whatever.
>
KIBBLE?
Jetfire's armor IS NOT kibble.
In Macross, it is known as a fast pack system, giving space mission
Valkyries
extra speed, armor, and firepower when they need it the most, with all the
Zentraedi
warships and stuff around..
And since when does it need to be removed?
The backarmor/Booster & Missle system stays on, as do the
legarmor/minithrusters, as
do the forearm armor/machineguns...
Other than the tiny little gunclip for the gunpod, (And the gun itself)
nothing needs to
be removed to TF a Valkryie from Jet to Gerwalk to Battroid.
Which also goes for Jetfire, him being a modified Valkyrie.
Zobovor the Insane Genius
>Jetfire's armor IS NOT kibble.
No, but in my mind it's always sort of made him the Man-At-Arms of the
Transformers toy line. :)
>And since when does it need to be removed?
Well, you do have to pop off his forearm armor in order to press the tabs to
slide his fists out in robot mode.
Zobovor... he just doesn't quite fit together correctly in jet mode with that
armor, either. His legs look like they were designed to fit underneath the
fuselage more snugly.
Marv /Chris,
to him. The defination of Kibble is quite different.
Marv
(The one and onlly)
Hooper X
>doesn't upset me as much 'cause I
>don't have to hear every 5 minutes how "Whirl is the greatest Transformer
>ever".
>
Whirl and Roadbuster, together, could kick Jetfire's lame ass all over the
place. Those two ROCK.
-HX
"I must kill you, because God told me to." -Tigatron(?)
"Vooral die smeerlap van een Hooper X !! QWe hate yopu !!!!!!!!" -Drunken
Dutchmen
www.sexsexworld.com <-PLEASE KILL MY LONELY.
To contact me, take off that stupid looking hat you wear.
Stranger
and Roadbuster, they're much cheaper than the other figures from that year.
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Duo Maxwell
"Hooper X" <emar...@aol.comuglyhat> wrote in message
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> Blah blah blah Gardner blah blah:
>
> >doesn't upset me as much 'cause I
> >don't have to hear every 5 minutes how "Whirl is the greatest Transformer
> >ever".
> >
>
> Whirl and Roadbuster, together, could kick Jetfire's lame ass all over the
> place. Those two ROCK.
>
> -HX
>
(Dorvack I think)