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Gustavo Wombat
May 20, 2012, 4:17:03 PM5/20/12
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New episode, already up on youtube. expect spoilers.
The episode itself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDPImo-UdB0
And onto my thoughts...
Too many tentacles.
Soundwave's tentacles dominate the show, despite his toy not actually having tentacles. The tentacles also make him look like a discount Doc Octopus from Spiderman. Most elements of tension in the action are caused by the tentacles -- they reach behind Wheeljack and grab a weapon, they creep around a rock to grab a bit of Laserbeak, they try to drill off Wheeljack's face... they do everything other than say "Your toy sucks because it doesn't have tentacles" in ASL (and that is only a supposition on my part, since my only knowledge of sign language comes from the wonderful series of youtube videos entitled "Dirty Signs With Kritsin" http://www.youtube.com/user/thfemale?feature=watch )
Ratchet is crotchety, but not in a fun way. Animated Ratchet was good, because he had a fairly rich personality, but Prime Ratchet is just a one not crotchety character. Animated Ratchet had the occasional bad episode ("Garbage In, Garbage Out"), but Prime Ratchet has the occasional good moment. It's sad.
Wheeljack remains a it of an obnoxious frat-boy wannabe. Even when he's right (if they continued after Soundwave, Laserbeak would have knocked them out of the sky), he's annoying about it.
Raf gets some screen time and something to do, but no real character development.
Soundwave survives only because Wheeljack pauses to mock his disability ("Any last words? No? Ah, the silent type") before getting blasted by a tentacle from behind.
Wheeljack only survives because Soundwave detects Laserbeak online, hesitates, and then goes after Laserbeak. A killing blow wouldn't have taken any significant time, foolish Soundwave.
Also, Bulkhead is badly damaged or dead, the Autobots get access to the Iacon database, Soundwave gets a weapon, and Ratchet and Wheeljack learn to respect each other or something.
The episode itself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDPImo-UdB0
And onto my thoughts...
Too many tentacles.
Soundwave's tentacles dominate the show, despite his toy not actually having tentacles. The tentacles also make him look like a discount Doc Octopus from Spiderman. Most elements of tension in the action are caused by the tentacles -- they reach behind Wheeljack and grab a weapon, they creep around a rock to grab a bit of Laserbeak, they try to drill off Wheeljack's face... they do everything other than say "Your toy sucks because it doesn't have tentacles" in ASL (and that is only a supposition on my part, since my only knowledge of sign language comes from the wonderful series of youtube videos entitled "Dirty Signs With Kritsin" http://www.youtube.com/user/thfemale?feature=watch )
Ratchet is crotchety, but not in a fun way. Animated Ratchet was good, because he had a fairly rich personality, but Prime Ratchet is just a one not crotchety character. Animated Ratchet had the occasional bad episode ("Garbage In, Garbage Out"), but Prime Ratchet has the occasional good moment. It's sad.
Wheeljack remains a it of an obnoxious frat-boy wannabe. Even when he's right (if they continued after Soundwave, Laserbeak would have knocked them out of the sky), he's annoying about it.
Raf gets some screen time and something to do, but no real character development.
Soundwave survives only because Wheeljack pauses to mock his disability ("Any last words? No? Ah, the silent type") before getting blasted by a tentacle from behind.
Wheeljack only survives because Soundwave detects Laserbeak online, hesitates, and then goes after Laserbeak. A killing blow wouldn't have taken any significant time, foolish Soundwave.
Also, Bulkhead is badly damaged or dead, the Autobots get access to the Iacon database, Soundwave gets a weapon, and Ratchet and Wheeljack learn to respect each other or something.
Ultra Magnotron
May 20, 2012, 7:00:18 PM5/20/12
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On 05/20/2012 01:17 PM, Gustavo Wombat wrote:
> New episode, already up on youtube. expect spoilers.
>
> The episode itself:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDPImo-UdB0
>
> And onto my thoughts...
>
> Too many tentacles.
Have they ever shown him with tentacles before? They seem rather
> New episode, already up on youtube. expect spoilers.
>
> The episode itself:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDPImo-UdB0
>
> And onto my thoughts...
>
> Too many tentacles.
odd and out of place to me.
> Soundwave's tentacles dominate the show, despite his toy not
> actually having tentacles.
> The tentacles also make him look like a discount Doc Octopus from
> Spiderman. Most elements of tension in the action are caused by the
> tentacles -- they reach behind Wheeljack and grab a weapon, they
> creep around a rock to grab a bit of Laserbeak, they try to drill off
> Wheeljack's face... they do everything other than say "Your toy sucks
> because it doesn't have tentacles" in ASL
equipped with teentacles, and I will pay the over priced 3rd parties
for the add-on.
Are you listening 3rd parties?
Speaking of Wheeljack, I like how his Cyberverse toy says that his ship
is called the Star Hammer, and he's now called it the Jack Hammer twice
in the TV series. This kind of thing is not uncommon, but is it too much
to ask for some better communication between the toy people and cartoon
people?
> Ratchet is crotchety, but not in a fun way. Animated Ratchet was good,
> because he had a fairly rich personality, but Prime Ratchet is just a
> one not crotchety character. Animated Ratchet had the occasional bad
> episode ("Garbage In, Garbage Out"), but Prime Ratchet has the occasional
> good moment. It's sad.
Ratchet had a better personality, but Prime Ratchet comes across as
funny. Not on purpose, maybe, but I his grumpiness brings a smile to
my face.
> Wheeljack remains a bit of an obnoxious frat-boy wannabe. Even when he's right
> (if they continued after Soundwave, Laserbeak would have knocked them out of
> the sky), he's annoying about it.
They got knocked out of the sky anyway! The point was completely moot.
> the sky), he's annoying about it.
I get a wreckless Texan vibe from Wheeljack, I'm not saying it's a lot
different from a frat-boy. I'm just saying I like that he grab's life
by the ball bearings and doesn't care what others think. Team Prime
needs a wreckless loner who makes his own path.
...Also more hot fem-bots. My Arcee and Airachnid fanfic needs one more
fem-bot.
...Too much info?
> Raf gets some screen time and something to do, but no real character development.
supposed to believe Raf is somehow intimate familiar with Cybertronian
computer systems. The kid writes a virus so sophisticated that no only
does it go undetected, but it interfaces flawlessly with the Decepticon
databanks? Come on.
Ratchet did nothing but translate it to Cybertronian, so you can't give
him any credit.
> Soundwave survives only because Wheeljack pauses to mock his disability
> ("Any last words? No? Ah, the silent type") before getting blasted by a
> tentacle from behind.
spoke for the very first time, and then the fans would have maybe
appreciated Wheeljack's pause.
No ideda what he would have said...
"Soundwave superior" as a the tentacle rises behind Wheeljack?
Nah! That would just be stupid fanservice. Unacceptable writing.
> Wheeljack only survives because Soundwave detects Laserbeak online,
> hesitates, and then goes after Laserbeak. A killing blow wouldn't
> have taken any significant time, foolish Soundwave.
one of them next week). Team Prime is tiny. Too tiny. They need new
members... Fem-bots would be good.
Elita-1 anyone?
> Also, Bulkhead is badly damaged or dead, the Autobots get access to the
> Iacon database, Soundwave gets a weapon, and Ratchet and Wheeljack learn
> to respect each other or something.
So, let's see here...
Optimus Prime - Spark Extractor
Megatron - Hammer of Solas Prime
Bumblebee - Phase shifter thingy
Starscream - Apex Armor
Soundwave - Sound wave gun... Because it generates intense sound waves.
Am I missing anything? I guess these will all come in handy for
something.
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Gustavo Wombat
May 21, 2012, 2:03:47 AM5/21/12
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> > Ratchet is crotchety, but not in a fun way. Animated Ratchet was good,
> > because he had a fairly rich personality, but Prime Ratchet is just a
> > one not crotchety character. Animated Ratchet had the occasional bad
> > episode ("Garbage In, Garbage Out"), but Prime Ratchet has the occasional
> > good moment. It's sad.
>
> I like this Ratchet. He's a different kind of amusing grump. Animated
> Ratchet had a better personality, but Prime Ratchet comes across as
> funny. Not on purpose, maybe, but I his grumpiness brings a smile to
> my face.
I just wish he had some kind of characterization behind his character trait.
> > Wheeljack remains a bit of an obnoxious frat-boy wannabe. Even when he's right
> > (if they continued after Soundwave, Laserbeak would have knocked them out of
> > the sky), he's annoying about it.
>
> They got knocked out of the sky anyway! The point was completely moot.
I am surprised that Laserbeak can shoot down the Jackhammer, but that's another matter.
> I get a wreckless Texan vibe from Wheeljack, I'm not saying it's a lot
> different from a frat-boy. I'm just saying I like that he grab's life
> by the ball bearings and doesn't care what others think. Team Prime
> needs a wreckless loner who makes his own path.
> ...Also more hot fem-bots. My Arcee and Airachnid fanfic needs one more
> fem-bot.
>
> ...Too much info?
> > Raf gets some screen time and something to do, but no real character development.
>
> So, this bothered me. Not him getting more screen time, but that we're
> supposed to believe Raf is somehow intimate familiar with Cybertronian
> computer systems. The kid writes a virus so sophisticated that no only
> does it go undetected, but it interfaces flawlessly with the Decepticon
> databanks? Come on.
> Ratchet did nothing but translate it to Cybertronian, so you can't give
> him any credit.
>
> > Soundwave survives only because Wheeljack pauses to mock his disability
> > ("Any last words? No? Ah, the silent type") before getting blasted by a
> > tentacle from behind.
>
> If I had written the script, this would have been where Soundwave
> spoke for the very first time, and then the fans would have maybe
> appreciated Wheeljack's pause.
>
> No ideda what he would have said...
>
> "Soundwave superior" as a the tentacle rises behind Wheeljack?
> Nah! That would just be stupid fanservice. Unacceptable writing.
I would like to see him speak to the stasis locked Airachnid -- and profess his love to her frozen form, and cursing her betrayal of Megatron that will always keep them apart, all said knowing that she will never hear him. But other than that, leave him as he is.
> > Wheeljack only survives because Soundwave detects Laserbeak online,
> > hesitates, and then goes after Laserbeak. A killing blow wouldn't
> > have taken any significant time, foolish Soundwave.
>
> I like that they haven't killed off any of the Autobots (We'll see about
> one of them next week).
Soundwave fires, Wheeljack stabs. Soundwave, leaking energon, escapes with his life and the relic. He stops, patches himself, detects Laserbeak, and continues.
It's a better, tighter version of events that wouldn't involve Soundwave being needlessly stupid.
> Team Prime is tiny. Too tiny. They need new
> members... Fem-bots would be good.
>
> Elita-1 anyone?
Some kind of chick-bot with the same general shape as Bulkhead, but bigger and stronger, who Bulkhead can pine over and feel unworthy next to? Pity the name Knock Out is already taken.
Gustavo!
Ultra Magnotron
May 21, 2012, 2:32:14 AM5/21/12
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On 05/20/2012 11:03 PM, Gustavo Wombat wrote:
> Omega Supremette?
>
> Some kind of chick-bot with the same general shape as Bulkhead,
> but bigger and stronger, who Bulkhead can pine over and feel
> unworthy next to? Pity the name Knock Out is already taken.
I like it! Reminds me of some female character, whose name I can't
> Omega Supremette?
>
> Some kind of chick-bot with the same general shape as Bulkhead,
> but bigger and stronger, who Bulkhead can pine over and feel
> unworthy next to? Pity the name Knock Out is already taken.
remember at the moment, from Green Lantern: The Animated Series.
Kilowog finds the perfect mate for himself on some distant planet.
After he leaves they find each other and are reunited a few times.
I could see that kind of thing happening for Bulkhead.
And Knock Out would have been a great name for Bulkhead's romantic
interest.
Ultra Magnotron
May 22, 2012, 12:40:31 PM5/22/12
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I just read this on TFWiki, and I completely missed all this!
Continuity notes:
This episode happens concurrently with the previous two and the
following one. Knock Out returns from his mission in "Tunnel Vision",
which was a failure, and Dreadwing has already returned after losing the
Apex Armor to Starscream in "Triangulation". On the Autobot side of
things, Bulkhead returns from his mission, which takes place in the
following episode, diving through the GroundBridge with severe damage to
his back.
They're right. These are all pretty big errors. Can't believe I missed
them.
I nee to pay closer attention I guess.
My Transformers Blog:
Continuity notes:
This episode happens concurrently with the previous two and the
following one. Knock Out returns from his mission in "Tunnel Vision",
which was a failure, and Dreadwing has already returned after losing the
Apex Armor to Starscream in "Triangulation". On the Autobot side of
things, Bulkhead returns from his mission, which takes place in the
following episode, diving through the GroundBridge with severe damage to
his back.
They're right. These are all pretty big errors. Can't believe I missed
them.
I nee to pay closer attention I guess.
My Transformers Blog:
SteveD
May 26, 2012, 4:33:11 AM5/26/12
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On Sun, 20 May 2012 16:00:18 -0700, Ultra Magnotron
<ultra.m...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Speaking of Wheeljack, I like how his Cyberverse toy says that his ship
>is called the Star Hammer, and he's now called it the Jack Hammer twice
>in the TV series. This kind of thing is not uncommon, but is it too much
>to ask for some better communication between the toy people and cartoon
>people?
Maybe its official name is the Star Hammer, but Wheeljack refers to it as
<ultra.m...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Speaking of Wheeljack, I like how his Cyberverse toy says that his ship
>is called the Star Hammer, and he's now called it the Jack Hammer twice
>in the TV series. This kind of thing is not uncommon, but is it too much
>to ask for some better communication between the toy people and cartoon
>people?
the Jack Hammer while it's _his_ ship.
-SteveD
Velvet Glove
May 27, 2012, 9:34:34 PM5/27/12
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Don't know what the Hub did to their programmes but I had to reset my
DVR to record them, meaning I missed this episode on its first
airing. Since I enjoy Prime too much to watch the Youtube version, I
waited for the repeat... and I've just now got around to watching it,
along with Toxicity (posting to that thread next).
Gustavo Wombat and Ultra Magnotron wrote:
>
> > > Too many tentacles.
The suspenseful end of the episode where the tentacles are reaching
around Ratchet was completely ruined for me by the sudden thought that
somewhere, somebody was coming up with a horrible, horrible fanfic
involving Soundwave and Miko.
That aside, the tentacles don't really bother me per se, but they
don't do anything for me either. They make him quite a passive figure
as he just stands there letting the tentacles do the work, which is a
shame, because he's got an interesting build and can look great in
action. On the other hand, that kind of (im)passivity is appropriate
for the character.
> > Speaking of Wheeljack, I like how his Cyberverse toy says that his ship
> > is called the Star Hammer, and he's now called it the Jack Hammer twice
> > in the TV series. This kind of thing is not uncommon, but is it too much
> > to ask for some better communication between the toy people and cartoon
> > people?
Perhaps the Jack Hammer was copyrighted? Although I don't suppose it
makes a difference if there is no Jack Hammer toy.
> > > Ratchet is crotchety, but not in a fun way. Animated Ratchet was good,
> > > because he had a fairly rich personality, but Prime Ratchet is just a
> > > one not crotchety character. Animated Ratchet had the occasional bad
> > > episode ("Garbage In, Garbage Out"), but Prime Ratchet has the occasional
> > > good moment. It's sad.
>
> > I like this Ratchet. He's a different kind of amusing grump. Animated
> > Ratchet had a better personality, but Prime Ratchet comes across as
> > funny. Not on purpose, maybe, but I his grumpiness brings a smile to
> > my face.
>
> He's meant to be funny.
>
> I just wish he had some kind of characterization behind his character trait.
We see bits of it, in his remorse over war memories and in his wounded
pride that he has to be escorted for this mission. I also liked that
we saw him in honest to goodness terror when they looked like they
were going to crash into the cliff. I know it was a joke, but it's
nice to see Autobots terrified--and a sudden shock like that could
reasonably panic even a ground-down soldier.
However, I can't really defend Ratchet's personality, in that he
doesn't do anything for me either.
> > > Wheeljack remains a bit of an obnoxious frat-boy wannabe. Even when he's right
> > > (if they continued after Soundwave, Laserbeak would have knocked them out of
> > > the sky), he's annoying about it.
I like Wheeljack. He's nothing more than an archetype, but I like the
archetype. If he only cameos once or twice a season, I don't need
deep character development. That said, I wouldn't object to it
either! But I'd rather they focused on progressing the main cast.
> I really want a fem-bot that isn't hot. Females, even robotic females, shouldn't always be reduced to fan service.
Me too!
> > So, this bothered me. Not him getting more screen time, but that we're
> > supposed to believe Raf is somehow intimate familiar with Cybertronian
> > computer systems. The kid writes a virus so sophisticated that no only
> > does it go undetected, but it interfaces flawlessly with the Decepticon
> > databanks? Come on.
>
> There's something freaky odd about the kid. He's some kind of idiot savant or something. But he might have been studying Cybertronian systems during most of Season 2.
Yeah, I was watching this without my (IT guy) husband, but if he ever
watches it, he'll be fuming over this. This is why I can't quite
accept Raf's character... Really, a 12 year old is that precocious?
This would have been far-fetched if it had been one of Fowler's top
government IT people.
The alternative is that there is more to Raf than meets the eye, a la
Sari from Animated, which would also explain his ability to understand
Bumblebee. But that's almost even more annoying. Perhaps they could
find a way to write that well, but it's just.... grah. Sometimes I
wish we just had Jack, Fowler and June.
On the plus side, nice way of involving (and occupying) Raf without
bringing him directly into danger.
> > If I had written the script, this would have been where Soundwave
> > spoke for the very first time, and then the fans would have maybe
> > appreciated Wheeljack's pause.
>
> > No ideda what he would have said...
>
> > "Soundwave superior" as a the tentacle rises behind Wheeljack?
> > Nah! That would just be stupid fanservice. Unacceptable writing.
>
> "Spare me" seems like the right sentiment -- begging for mercy to delay while he prepares for the attack. But it should have been repeating someone else's words that he was repeating, since there's no reason for him to break character.
I'm with Gustavo. No actual speaking for Soundwave. If he could have
parroted back something Wheeljack had said at some point, that would
have been acceptable.
> I would like to see him speak to the stasis locked Airachnid -- and profess his love to her frozen form, and cursing her betrayal of Megatron that will always keep them apart, all said knowing that she will never hear him. But other than that, leave him as he is.
Err.... maybe not.
> Soundwave fires, Wheeljack stabs. Soundwave, leaking energon, escapes with his life and the relic. He stops, patches himself, detects Laserbeak, and continues.
>
> It's a better, tighter version of events that wouldn't involve Soundwave being needlessly stupid.
I like this too. It did bother me that he let Wheeljack live, wounded
though he was. Perhaps he was supposed to be leaving him for dead,
but as you say, he was poised to make the final blow, so why not just
follow through?
> > Team Prime is tiny. Too tiny. They need new
> > members... Fem-bots would be good.
>
> > Elita-1 anyone?
>
> Omega Supremette?
>
> Some kind of chick-bot with the same general shape as Bulkhead, but bigger and stronger, who Bulkhead can pine over and feel unworthy next to? Pity the name Knock Out is already taken.
Eh, the name Knock Out would still have a connotation of good looks,
even if it's a kind of reverse pun. I would definitely love to see a
female gentle giant character though. Anything not slender!
> This episode happens concurrently with the previous two and the
> following one. Knock Out returns from his mission in "Tunnel Vision",
> which was a failure, and Dreadwing has already returned after losing the
> Apex Armor to Starscream in "Triangulation". On the Autobot side of
> things, Bulkhead returns from his mission, which takes place in the
> following episode, diving through the GroundBridge with severe damage to
> his back.
The weirdness here is that we don't see Optimus Prime, Arcee or
Bumblebee return, and there appears to be no good reason for them to
be back so long after their Decepticon opponents.
Anyway... Some of my own thoughts:
I thought this was much a better episode than the previous two, and I
really appreciated the way they did a spin on the "Race for the
McGuffin!" storyline that I've been complaining about. The race was
abandoned fairly early on in favour of the larger gambit, and although
Wheeljack did make an attempt to get the relic, it was a small victory
for the Decepticons and a much larger one for the Autobots.
Of course, programming and uploading a virus doesn't make for great
viewing, and there's only so much you can do to make it at all
exciting, so they padded the episode with a lot of action, and an odd
couple subplot. As said above, Wheeljack and Ratchet didn't really
break any amazing ground with characterisation--their progress was
illustrated by how Wheeljack referred to Ratchet, which is simple,
effective enough, but not deep. Aside, don't half the cast call
Ratchet 'doc'? Is this the first time he's complained about it?
Having Wheeljack and, more importantly, the Jack Hammer did allow them
to do an aerial fight, which makes a nice change from the norm. Hell,
even the early shots of Wheeljack and Ratchet in a sunlit forest are a
break from the usual Prime environment (I'm pretty sure we've only
seen dark and gloomy forests up until this point). They do seem to
have made a conscious effort to get away from the normal backgrounds
(rocky wastelands) with these recent episodes. Subway tunnels, arctic
icescapes and clouds.... They're still limited by their budget, but
it's nice they're trying.
Ultimately, I'm not the best person to comment on action, but I do
feel that this set of episodes is improving in quality as we go
through them. Which is good, because getting through them is getting
to be a slog.
Velvet Glove (At least I genuinely enjoyed the next one!)
DVR to record them, meaning I missed this episode on its first
airing. Since I enjoy Prime too much to watch the Youtube version, I
waited for the repeat... and I've just now got around to watching it,
along with Toxicity (posting to that thread next).
Gustavo Wombat and Ultra Magnotron wrote:
>
> > > Too many tentacles.
The suspenseful end of the episode where the tentacles are reaching
around Ratchet was completely ruined for me by the sudden thought that
somewhere, somebody was coming up with a horrible, horrible fanfic
involving Soundwave and Miko.
That aside, the tentacles don't really bother me per se, but they
don't do anything for me either. They make him quite a passive figure
as he just stands there letting the tentacles do the work, which is a
shame, because he's got an interesting build and can look great in
action. On the other hand, that kind of (im)passivity is appropriate
for the character.
> > Speaking of Wheeljack, I like how his Cyberverse toy says that his ship
> > is called the Star Hammer, and he's now called it the Jack Hammer twice
> > in the TV series. This kind of thing is not uncommon, but is it too much
> > to ask for some better communication between the toy people and cartoon
> > people?
makes a difference if there is no Jack Hammer toy.
> > > Ratchet is crotchety, but not in a fun way. Animated Ratchet was good,
> > > because he had a fairly rich personality, but Prime Ratchet is just a
> > > one not crotchety character. Animated Ratchet had the occasional bad
> > > episode ("Garbage In, Garbage Out"), but Prime Ratchet has the occasional
> > > good moment. It's sad.
>
> > I like this Ratchet. He's a different kind of amusing grump. Animated
> > Ratchet had a better personality, but Prime Ratchet comes across as
> > funny. Not on purpose, maybe, but I his grumpiness brings a smile to
> > my face.
>
> He's meant to be funny.
>
> I just wish he had some kind of characterization behind his character trait.
pride that he has to be escorted for this mission. I also liked that
we saw him in honest to goodness terror when they looked like they
were going to crash into the cliff. I know it was a joke, but it's
nice to see Autobots terrified--and a sudden shock like that could
reasonably panic even a ground-down soldier.
However, I can't really defend Ratchet's personality, in that he
doesn't do anything for me either.
> > > Wheeljack remains a bit of an obnoxious frat-boy wannabe. Even when he's right
> > > (if they continued after Soundwave, Laserbeak would have knocked them out of
> > > the sky), he's annoying about it.
archetype. If he only cameos once or twice a season, I don't need
deep character development. That said, I wouldn't object to it
either! But I'd rather they focused on progressing the main cast.
> I really want a fem-bot that isn't hot. Females, even robotic females, shouldn't always be reduced to fan service.
> > So, this bothered me. Not him getting more screen time, but that we're
> > supposed to believe Raf is somehow intimate familiar with Cybertronian
> > computer systems. The kid writes a virus so sophisticated that no only
> > does it go undetected, but it interfaces flawlessly with the Decepticon
> > databanks? Come on.
>
> There's something freaky odd about the kid. He's some kind of idiot savant or something. But he might have been studying Cybertronian systems during most of Season 2.
watches it, he'll be fuming over this. This is why I can't quite
accept Raf's character... Really, a 12 year old is that precocious?
This would have been far-fetched if it had been one of Fowler's top
government IT people.
The alternative is that there is more to Raf than meets the eye, a la
Sari from Animated, which would also explain his ability to understand
Bumblebee. But that's almost even more annoying. Perhaps they could
find a way to write that well, but it's just.... grah. Sometimes I
wish we just had Jack, Fowler and June.
On the plus side, nice way of involving (and occupying) Raf without
bringing him directly into danger.
> > If I had written the script, this would have been where Soundwave
> > spoke for the very first time, and then the fans would have maybe
> > appreciated Wheeljack's pause.
>
> > No ideda what he would have said...
>
> > "Soundwave superior" as a the tentacle rises behind Wheeljack?
> > Nah! That would just be stupid fanservice. Unacceptable writing.
>
> "Spare me" seems like the right sentiment -- begging for mercy to delay while he prepares for the attack. But it should have been repeating someone else's words that he was repeating, since there's no reason for him to break character.
parroted back something Wheeljack had said at some point, that would
have been acceptable.
> I would like to see him speak to the stasis locked Airachnid -- and profess his love to her frozen form, and cursing her betrayal of Megatron that will always keep them apart, all said knowing that she will never hear him. But other than that, leave him as he is.
> Soundwave fires, Wheeljack stabs. Soundwave, leaking energon, escapes with his life and the relic. He stops, patches himself, detects Laserbeak, and continues.
>
> It's a better, tighter version of events that wouldn't involve Soundwave being needlessly stupid.
though he was. Perhaps he was supposed to be leaving him for dead,
but as you say, he was poised to make the final blow, so why not just
follow through?
> > Team Prime is tiny. Too tiny. They need new
> > members... Fem-bots would be good.
>
> > Elita-1 anyone?
>
> Omega Supremette?
>
> Some kind of chick-bot with the same general shape as Bulkhead, but bigger and stronger, who Bulkhead can pine over and feel unworthy next to? Pity the name Knock Out is already taken.
even if it's a kind of reverse pun. I would definitely love to see a
female gentle giant character though. Anything not slender!
> This episode happens concurrently with the previous two and the
> following one. Knock Out returns from his mission in "Tunnel Vision",
> which was a failure, and Dreadwing has already returned after losing the
> Apex Armor to Starscream in "Triangulation". On the Autobot side of
> things, Bulkhead returns from his mission, which takes place in the
> following episode, diving through the GroundBridge with severe damage to
> his back.
Bumblebee return, and there appears to be no good reason for them to
be back so long after their Decepticon opponents.
Anyway... Some of my own thoughts:
I thought this was much a better episode than the previous two, and I
really appreciated the way they did a spin on the "Race for the
McGuffin!" storyline that I've been complaining about. The race was
abandoned fairly early on in favour of the larger gambit, and although
Wheeljack did make an attempt to get the relic, it was a small victory
for the Decepticons and a much larger one for the Autobots.
Of course, programming and uploading a virus doesn't make for great
viewing, and there's only so much you can do to make it at all
exciting, so they padded the episode with a lot of action, and an odd
couple subplot. As said above, Wheeljack and Ratchet didn't really
break any amazing ground with characterisation--their progress was
illustrated by how Wheeljack referred to Ratchet, which is simple,
effective enough, but not deep. Aside, don't half the cast call
Ratchet 'doc'? Is this the first time he's complained about it?
Having Wheeljack and, more importantly, the Jack Hammer did allow them
to do an aerial fight, which makes a nice change from the norm. Hell,
even the early shots of Wheeljack and Ratchet in a sunlit forest are a
break from the usual Prime environment (I'm pretty sure we've only
seen dark and gloomy forests up until this point). They do seem to
have made a conscious effort to get away from the normal backgrounds
(rocky wastelands) with these recent episodes. Subway tunnels, arctic
icescapes and clouds.... They're still limited by their budget, but
it's nice they're trying.
Ultimately, I'm not the best person to comment on action, but I do
feel that this set of episodes is improving in quality as we go
through them. Which is good, because getting through them is getting
to be a slog.
Velvet Glove (At least I genuinely enjoyed the next one!)
Gustavo Wombat
May 28, 2012, 3:23:45 AM5/28/12
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On Sunday, May 27, 2012 6:34:34 PM UTC-7, Velvet Glove wrote:
> Don't know what the Hub did to their programmes but I had to reset my
> DVR to record them, meaning I missed this episode on its first
> airing. Since I enjoy Prime too much to watch the Youtube version, I
> waited for the repeat... and I've just now got around to watching it,
> along with Toxicity (posting to that thread next).
When I saw a couple of episodes of Season 1 on Netflix streaming, I was really surprised by how much better they looked than the crappy versions I downloaded or watched on YouTube. And who knows how much better they would look off a DVD or TV?
> Don't know what the Hub did to their programmes but I had to reset my
> DVR to record them, meaning I missed this episode on its first
> airing. Since I enjoy Prime too much to watch the Youtube version, I
> waited for the repeat... and I've just now got around to watching it,
> along with Toxicity (posting to that thread next).
> Gustavo Wombat and Ultra Magnotron wrote:
> >
> > > > Too many tentacles.
>
> The suspenseful end of the episode where the tentacles are reaching
> around Ratchet was completely ruined for me by the sudden thought that
> somewhere, somebody was coming up with a horrible, horrible fanfic
> involving Soundwave and Miko.
> > > Speaking of Wheeljack, I like how his Cyberverse toy says that his ship
> > > is called the Star Hammer, and he's now called it the Jack Hammer twice
> > > in the TV series. This kind of thing is not uncommon, but is it too much
> > > to ask for some better communication between the toy people and cartoon
> > > people?
>
> Perhaps the Jack Hammer was copyrighted? Although I don't suppose it
> makes a difference if there is no Jack Hammer toy.
> > I really want a fem-bot that isn't hot. Females, even robotic females, shouldn't always be reduced to fan service.
>
> Me too!
>
> > > So, this bothered me. Not him getting more screen time, but that we're
> > > supposed to believe Raf is somehow intimate familiar with Cybertronian
> > > computer systems. The kid writes a virus so sophisticated that no only
> > > does it go undetected, but it interfaces flawlessly with the Decepticon
> > > databanks? Come on.
> >
> > There's something freaky odd about the kid. He's some kind of idiot savant or something. But he might have been studying Cybertronian systems during most of Season 2.
>
> Yeah, I was watching this without my (IT guy) husband, but if he ever
> watches it, he'll be fuming over this. This is why I can't quite
> accept Raf's character... Really, a 12 year old is that precocious?
> This would have been far-fetched if it had been one of Fowler's top
> government IT people.
> The alternative is that there is more to Raf than meets the eye, a la
> Sari from Animated, which would also explain his ability to understand
> Bumblebee. But that's almost even more annoying. Perhaps they could
> find a way to write that well, but it's just.... grah. Sometimes I
> wish we just had Jack, Fowler and June.
> > > If I had written the script, this would have been where Soundwave
> > > spoke for the very first time, and then the fans would have maybe
> > > appreciated Wheeljack's pause.
> >
> > > No ideda what he would have said...
> >
> > > "Soundwave superior" as a the tentacle rises behind Wheeljack?
> > > Nah! That would just be stupid fanservice. Unacceptable writing.
> >
> > "Spare me" seems like the right sentiment -- begging for mercy to delay while he prepares for the attack. But it should have been repeating someone else's words that he was repeating, since there's no reason for him to break character.
>
> I'm with Gustavo. No actual speaking for Soundwave. If he could have
> parroted back something Wheeljack had said at some point, that would
> have been acceptable.
>
> > I would like to see him speak to the stasis locked Airachnid -- and profess his love to her frozen form, and cursing her betrayal of Megatron that will always keep them apart, all said knowing that she will never hear him. But other than that, leave him as he is.
>
> Err.... maybe not.
> > Soundwave fires, Wheeljack stabs. Soundwave, leaking energon, escapes with his life and the relic. He stops, patches himself, detects Laserbeak, and continues.
> >
> > It's a better, tighter version of events that wouldn't involve Soundwave being needlessly stupid.
>
> I like this too. It did bother me that he let Wheeljack live, wounded
> though he was. Perhaps he was supposed to be leaving him for dead,
> but as you say, he was poised to make the final blow, so why not just
> follow through?
>
> > > Team Prime is tiny. Too tiny. They need new
> > > members... Fem-bots would be good.
> >
> > > Elita-1 anyone?
> >
> > Omega Supremette?
> >
> > Some kind of chick-bot with the same general shape as Bulkhead, but bigger and stronger, who Bulkhead can pine over and feel unworthy next to? Pity the name Knock Out is already taken.
>
> Eh, the name Knock Out would still have a connotation of good looks,
> even if it's a kind of reverse pun. I would definitely love to see a
> female gentle giant character though. Anything not slender!
> Of course, programming and uploading a virus doesn't make for great
> viewing, and there's only so much you can do to make it at all
> exciting, so they padded the episode with a lot of action, and an odd
> couple subplot. As said above, Wheeljack and Ratchet didn't really
> break any amazing ground with characterisation--their progress was
> illustrated by how Wheeljack referred to Ratchet, which is simple,
> effective enough, but not deep. Aside, don't half the cast call
> Ratchet 'doc'? Is this the first time he's complained about it?
That's all I've got. It seemed to be a pretty pointless thing to get all bent out of shape about.
> Having Wheeljack and, more importantly, the Jack Hammer did allow them
> to do an aerial fight, which makes a nice change from the norm. Hell,
> even the early shots of Wheeljack and Ratchet in a sunlit forest are a
> break from the usual Prime environment (I'm pretty sure we've only
> seen dark and gloomy forests up until this point). They do seem to
> have made a conscious effort to get away from the normal backgrounds
> (rocky wastelands) with these recent episodes. Subway tunnels, arctic
> icescapes and clouds.... They're still limited by their budget, but
> it's nice they're trying.
> Ultimately, I'm not the best person to comment on action, but I do
> feel that this set of episodes is improving in quality as we go
> through them. Which is good, because getting through them is getting
> to be a slog.
No One in Particular
May 28, 2012, 10:14:34 AM5/28/12
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"Gustavo Wombat" <Gustav...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sunday, May 27, 2012 6:34:34 PM UTC-7, Velvet Glove wrote:
> break any amazing ground with characterisation--their progress was
> illustrated by how Wheeljack referred to Ratchet, which is simple,
> effective enough, but not deep. Aside, don't half the cast call
> Ratchet 'doc'? Is this the first time he's complained about it?
>The rest of the cast are his friends, and Wheeljack hasn't earned the right
>to call him doc yet.
>That's all I've got. It seemed to be a pretty pointless thing to get all
>bent out of shape about.
Perhaps the reason why this annoys Ratchet will be explained in a future
> break any amazing ground with characterisation--their progress was
> illustrated by how Wheeljack referred to Ratchet, which is simple,
> effective enough, but not deep. Aside, don't half the cast call
> Ratchet 'doc'? Is this the first time he's complained about it?
>The rest of the cast are his friends, and Wheeljack hasn't earned the right
>to call him doc yet.
>That's all I've got. It seemed to be a pretty pointless thing to get all
>bent out of shape about.
episode, along with the appropriately emotionally scarring back story.
Brian. I doubt it, but hey! Anything's possible...
Velvet Glove
May 28, 2012, 1:28:11 PM5/28/12
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On May 28, 3:23 am, Gustavo Wombat <GustavoWom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > The suspenseful end of the episode where the tentacles are reaching
> > around Ratchet was completely ruined for me by the sudden thought that
> > somewhere, somebody was coming up with a horrible, horrible fanfic
> > involving Soundwave and Miko.
>
> I'll get on it.
Don't you dare!
>
> > The suspenseful end of the episode where the tentacles are reaching
> > around Ratchet was completely ruined for me by the sudden thought that
> > somewhere, somebody was coming up with a horrible, horrible fanfic
> > involving Soundwave and Miko.
>
> I'll get on it.
> > The alternative is that there is more to Raf than meets the eye, a la
> > Sari from Animated, which would also explain his ability to understand
> > Bumblebee. But that's almost even more annoying. Perhaps they could
> > find a way to write that well, but it's just.... grah. Sometimes I
> > wish we just had Jack, Fowler and June.
>
> Overall, I would much rather have an Autobot in the role of computer wiz. Oddly, the most likely candidate we've seen for this so far is Optimus.
are now, and the role of computer whiz therefore had to go to an
Autobot. Giving it to Optimus would be a nice twist and at least give
him something else to do than fight climactic battles and make sombre
observations.
> > > I would like to see him speak to the stasis locked Airachnid -- and profess his love to her frozen form, and cursing her betrayal of Megatron that will always keep them apart, all said knowing that she will never hear him. But other than that, leave him as he is.
>
> > Err.... maybe not.
>
> You have no sense of romance.
and we'll talk.
> The rest of the cast are his friends, and Wheeljack hasn't earned the right to call him doc yet.
>
> That's all I've got. It seemed to be a pretty pointless thing to get all bent out of shape about.
it did seem to come out of nowhere. I can't recall if Wheeljack
called him 'doc' before or not; it just suddenly became a plot point
this time.
> I'm reminded of how many episodes of the old Doctor Who series took place in the same quarry on countless different planets.
the budget for it too)!
Velvet Glove (only has vague memories of Classic Who, but I still know
the quarry you mean)
Gustavo Wombat
May 28, 2012, 2:15:04 PM5/28/12
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On Monday, May 28, 2012 10:28:11 AM UTC-7, Velvet Glove wrote:
> On May 28, 3:23 am, Gustavo Wombat <GustavoWom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > I would like to see him speak to the stasis locked Airachnid -- and profess his love to her frozen form, and cursing her betrayal of Megatron that will always keep them apart, all said knowing that she will never hear him. But other than that, leave him as he is.
> >
> > > Err.... maybe not.
> >
> > You have no sense of romance.
>
> Not when it comes to Soundwave apparently. Swap him out for Hardshell
> and we'll talk.
But Hardshell and Airachnid wouldn't be tragic star-crossed lovers.
> On May 28, 3:23 am, Gustavo Wombat <GustavoWom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > I would like to see him speak to the stasis locked Airachnid -- and profess his love to her frozen form, and cursing her betrayal of Megatron that will always keep them apart, all said knowing that she will never hear him. But other than that, leave him as he is.
> >
> > > Err.... maybe not.
> >
> > You have no sense of romance.
>
> Not when it comes to Soundwave apparently. Swap him out for Hardshell
> and we'll talk.
Airachnid can control the insecticons, so she would just dominate and subjugate him -- that's an entirely different form of romance. Kids shouldn't learn about that in a cartoon, they should learn about it in college, or high school if they're precocious.
> > I'm reminded of how many episodes of the old Doctor Who series took place in the same quarry on countless different planets.
>
> Precisely! New Who is much more conscientious about variety (and has
> the budget for it too)!
>
> Velvet Glove (only has vague memories of Classic Who, but I still know
> the quarry you mean)
More and more, I find myself drawn to the William Hartnell years, but that might just be because I know every story from Tom Baker on, there's not enough Patrick Troughton stuff left, and Pertwee kept fighting off aliens who all seemed to be invading the same exact field near UNIT HQ.
Velvet Glove
May 28, 2012, 7:32:44 PM5/28/12
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On May 28, 2:15 pm, Gustavo Wombat <GustavoWom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I would have thought you would be properly indoctrinated. You're from Great Britain, right?
>
> More and more, I find myself drawn to the William Hartnell years, but that might just be because I know every story from Tom Baker on, there's not enough Patrick Troughton stuff left, and Pertwee kept fighting off aliens who all seemed to be invading the same exact field near UNIT HQ.
That's why they're vague for me. I grew up watching Doctor Who, and
>
> I would have thought you would be properly indoctrinated. You're from Great Britain, right?
>
> More and more, I find myself drawn to the William Hartnell years, but that might just be because I know every story from Tom Baker on, there's not enough Patrick Troughton stuff left, and Pertwee kept fighting off aliens who all seemed to be invading the same exact field near UNIT HQ.
haven't seen much Classic Who since I was 13. Peter Davison was the
first doctor I remember, and consequently has defined the role for me
(if you've seen Time Crash, the one off special where Doctors Five and
Ten meet, David Tennant's "You're *my* Doctor!" pretty much sums it
up). Most of what I remember is the Davison, Colin Baker and
Sylvester McCoy stuff (I do have a special place in my heart for
McCoy, and am delighted he's going to be in the Hobbit), and I think
the quarry is mostly from the Tom Baker era. The earlier doctors,
that you mention, I've seen piecemeal when the BBC happened to show an
older episode, but I've never sought them out.
So I'm not a particular *fan* of Classic Who, in the same way as I'm a
fan of Transformers, but I was fond enough of the series that I, along
with much of the UK, eagerly tuned in to New Who right from the
start. Also, despite Davison being my introduction to the Doctor, I
dislike New Who's trend to younger Doctors and sexual tension with
their companions. I'd like to see a return to more avuncular
relationships.
Velvet Glove (Off topic much?)
No One in Particular
May 30, 2012, 8:19:38 PM5/30/12
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"Velvet Glove" <goo...@kernowgirl.co.uk> wrote in message
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On May 28, 2:15 pm, Gustavo Wombat <GustavoWom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
> More and more, I find myself drawn to the William Hartnell years, but that
> might just be because I know every story from Tom Baker on, there's not
> enough Patrick Troughton stuff left, and Pertwee kept fighting off aliens
> who all seemed to be invading the same exact field near UNIT HQ.
I have not seen much of Hartnell or Troughton, a point on which I am sad.
>>
> More and more, I find myself drawn to the William Hartnell years, but that
> might just be because I know every story from Tom Baker on, there's not
> enough Patrick Troughton stuff left, and Pertwee kept fighting off aliens
> who all seemed to be invading the same exact field near UNIT HQ.
>Most of what I remember is the Davison, Colin Baker and
>Sylvester McCoy stuff (I do have a special place in my heart for
>McCoy, and am delighted he's going to be in the Hobbit),
>So I'm not a particular *fan* of Classic Who, in the same way as I'm a
>fan of Transformers, but I was fond enough of the series that I, along
>with much of the UK, eagerly tuned in to New Who right from the
>start. Also, despite Davison being my introduction to the Doctor, I
>dislike New Who's trend to younger Doctors and sexual tension with
>their companions. I'd like to see a return to more avuncular
>relationships.
>Velvet Glove (Off topic much?)
of the "budding romance" storyline that seems to keep cropping up every time
we get a new cute young assistant. And while I admit to enjoying some of
the escapades pf Rory and Amy, it's past time for them to move on.
Brian. Whovian AND Transfan. And Tolkienite to boot...
Velvet Glove
May 30, 2012, 8:41:48 PM5/30/12
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On May 30, 8:19 pm, "No One in Particular" <briancanad...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
seems incredible by today's standards.
> >Sylvester McCoy stuff (I do have a special place in my heart for
> >McCoy, and am delighted he's going to be in the Hobbit),
>
> I had not heard this. I'm smiling now.
Radagast the Brown. Can't wait!
>
> I love the newWho, but I completely agree on that point; I'm sick to death
> of the "budding romance" storyline that seems to keep cropping up every time
> we get a new cute young assistant. And while I admit to enjoying some of
> the escapades pf Rory and Amy, it's past time for them to move on.
I never really liked Amy partly because she was always played up as
this amazing person and... well... I never quite saw it. She was
pretty cool as a little girl, but older Amy just seemed to get
sheltered a lot. Including by her even older self at one point...
Rory on the other hand rocked my socks and I've always been secretly
rooting for him to dump Amy because he was 2,000 years older than her
and had moved on.... Ah, well. Glad we're getting a new assistant
anyway, though my favourite of the New Who assistants was Donna, just
because the whole point was that she and the Doctor were *never* going
to get it on.
> Brian. Whovian AND Transfan. And Tolkienite to boot...
A man of taste!
Velvet Glove (mind you, even without the assistant, the doctor gets a
lot of romance: girl in the fireplace, the nurse from the boarding
school, and of course, Ms Song)
wrote:
> I have not seen much of Hartnell or Troughton, a point on which I am sad.
Yes, so many of their episodes have been lost, something that just
seems incredible by today's standards.
> >Sylvester McCoy stuff (I do have a special place in my heart for
> >McCoy, and am delighted he's going to be in the Hobbit),
>
> I had not heard this. I'm smiling now.
>
> I love the newWho, but I completely agree on that point; I'm sick to death
> of the "budding romance" storyline that seems to keep cropping up every time
> we get a new cute young assistant. And while I admit to enjoying some of
> the escapades pf Rory and Amy, it's past time for them to move on.
this amazing person and... well... I never quite saw it. She was
pretty cool as a little girl, but older Amy just seemed to get
sheltered a lot. Including by her even older self at one point...
Rory on the other hand rocked my socks and I've always been secretly
rooting for him to dump Amy because he was 2,000 years older than her
and had moved on.... Ah, well. Glad we're getting a new assistant
anyway, though my favourite of the New Who assistants was Donna, just
because the whole point was that she and the Doctor were *never* going
to get it on.
> Brian. Whovian AND Transfan. And Tolkienite to boot...
Velvet Glove (mind you, even without the assistant, the doctor gets a
lot of romance: girl in the fireplace, the nurse from the boarding
school, and of course, Ms Song)
Gustavo Wombat
May 31, 2012, 2:54:43 AM5/31/12
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On Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:41:48 PM UTC-7, Velvet Glove wrote:
> On May 30, 8:19 pm, "No One in Particular"
>
> On May 30, 8:19 pm, "No One in Particular"
>
> wrote:
> > I have not seen much of Hartnell or Troughton, a point on which I am sad.
>
> Yes, so many of their episodes have been lost, something that just
> seems incredible by today's standards.
The loss of the Troughton stuff is more disappointing -- just because there is so little of his run left.
> > I have not seen much of Hartnell or Troughton, a point on which I am sad.
>
> Yes, so many of their episodes have been lost, something that just
> seems incredible by today's standards.
> > >Sylvester McCoy stuff (I do have a special place in my heart for
> > >McCoy, and am delighted he's going to be in the Hobbit),
> >
> > I had not heard this. I'm smiling now.
>
> Radagast the Brown. Can't wait!
> >
> > I love the newWho, but I completely agree on that point; I'm sick to death
> > of the "budding romance" storyline that seems to keep cropping up every time
> > we get a new cute young assistant. And while I admit to enjoying some of
> > the escapades pf Rory and Amy, it's past time for them to move on.
>
> I never really liked Amy partly because she was always played up as
> this amazing person and... well... I never quite saw it.
You did notice the red hair, didn't you?
> She was
> pretty cool as a little girl, but older Amy just seemed to get
> sheltered a lot. Including by her even older self at one point...
> Rory on the other hand rocked my socks and I've always been secretly
> rooting for him to dump Amy because he was 2,000 years older than her
> and had moved on.... Ah, well. Glad we're getting a new assistant
> anyway, though my favourite of the New Who assistants was Donna, just
> because the whole point was that she and the Doctor were *never* going
> to get it on.
> > Brian. Whovian AND Transfan. And Tolkienite to boot...
>
> A man of taste!
>
> Velvet Glove (mind you, even without the assistant, the doctor gets a
> lot of romance: girl in the fireplace, the nurse from the boarding
> school, and of course, Ms Song)
Ok, I really hope we get David Tennant again, because he is dreamy, but that wouldn't make any sense story wise.
Velvet Glove
May 31, 2012, 1:36:09 PM5/31/12
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On May 31, 2:54 am, Gustavo Wombat <GustavoWom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hot red-head. Is more really required?
>
> You did notice the red hair, didn't you?
Karen Gillan suffers from that model-turned-actress fault in that
>
> Hot red-head. Is more really required?
>
> You did notice the red hair, didn't you?
she's got this go-to expression which is extremely compelling.
Unfortunately, after a couple of episodes of seeing her switch it on,
it begins to lose it's power. After a full series, it just gets
annoying. See also Evangeline Lilly in Lost.
That said, the actress seems like a nice enough person, who is game
enough to swing a baseball bat at a tub of cornflour batter before
running over it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdOjF2sYbBI
Trivia note: the male host of the show is Billie Piper's (Rose) ex-
husband.
> When Matt Smith leaves, I hope we get an older Doctor, so they tone down some of the romance.
>
> Ok, I really hope we get David Tennant again, because he is dreamy, but that wouldn't make any sense story wise.
a McCoy type). Matt Smith's casting was a huge disappointment for me,
even though I think he makes an excellent Doctor. I think at this
point, we're doomed to young doctors because New Who has established
that the Doctor has sex appeal.
Velvet Glove (I'm pretty sure all the people who grew up with Hartnell
feel that Russell Davies and Steven Moffatt are raping their childhood)
No One in Particular
May 31, 2012, 5:59:26 PM5/31/12
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of attitude. It was a real, honest, don't give me any grief just because
I'm an Earther attitude. Loved it!
Brian. Nothing against them what's obsessed with Rose, but there again, I
waas glad to see her go.
>her
>and had moved on.... Ah, well. Glad we're getting a new assistant
>anyway, though my favourite of the New Who assistants was Donna, just
>because the whole point was that she and the Doctor were *never* going
>to get it on.
Ditto. She had an attitude, but it wasn't the obnoxious, in-your-face type
>and had moved on.... Ah, well. Glad we're getting a new assistant
>anyway, though my favourite of the New Who assistants was Donna, just
>because the whole point was that she and the Doctor were *never* going
>to get it on.
of attitude. It was a real, honest, don't give me any grief just because
I'm an Earther attitude. Loved it!
Brian. Nothing against them what's obsessed with Rose, but there again, I
waas glad to see her go.
No One in Particular
May 31, 2012, 6:02:44 PM5/31/12
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older Doctor next round. If the trend continues like it has been going, the
next Doctor will be a fetus.
Brian
On May 31, 2:54 am, Gustavo Wombat <GustavoWom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hot red-head. Is more really required?
>
> You did notice the red hair, didn't you?
>
> Hot red-head. Is more really required?
>
> You did notice the red hair, didn't you?
>Much as I liked Tennant, I wanted an older Doctor after his run (like
>a McCoy type). Matt Smith's casting was a huge disappointment for me,
>even though I think he makes an excellent Doctor. I think at this
>point, we're doomed to young doctors because New Who has established
>that the Doctor has sex appeal.
>Velvet Glove (I'm pretty sure all the people who grew up with Hartnell
>feel that Russell Davies and Steven Moffatt are raping their childhood)
Loved Tennant. Loved Eccelston. Like Matt Smith. But I agree, we need an
>a McCoy type). Matt Smith's casting was a huge disappointment for me,
>even though I think he makes an excellent Doctor. I think at this
>point, we're doomed to young doctors because New Who has established
>that the Doctor has sex appeal.
>Velvet Glove (I'm pretty sure all the people who grew up with Hartnell
>feel that Russell Davies and Steven Moffatt are raping their childhood)
older Doctor next round. If the trend continues like it has been going, the
next Doctor will be a fetus.
Brian
Gustavo Wombat
Jun 1, 2012, 2:35:17 AM6/1/12
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On Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:36:09 AM UTC-7, Velvet Glove wrote:
> On May 31, 2:54 am, Gustavo Wombat <GustavoWom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hot red-head. Is more really required?
> >
> > You did notice the red hair, didn't you?
>
> Karen Gillan suffers from that model-turned-actress fault in that
> she's got this go-to expression which is extremely compelling.
And red hair.
> On May 31, 2:54 am, Gustavo Wombat <GustavoWom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hot red-head. Is more really required?
> >
> > You did notice the red hair, didn't you?
>
> Karen Gillan suffers from that model-turned-actress fault in that
> she's got this go-to expression which is extremely compelling.
> Unfortunately, after a couple of episodes of seeing her switch it on,
> it begins to lose it's power.
Donna Noble, also an excellent companion... red hair. Turlough...
> > When Matt Smith leaves, I hope we get an older Doctor, so they tone down some of the romance.
> >
> > Ok, I really hope we get David Tennant again, because he is dreamy, but that wouldn't make any sense story wise.
>
> Much as I liked Tennant, I wanted an older Doctor after his run (like
> a McCoy type). Matt Smith's casting was a huge disappointment for me,
> even though I think he makes an excellent Doctor. I think at this
> point, we're doomed to young doctors because New Who has established
> that the Doctor has sex appeal.
>
> Velvet Glove (I'm pretty sure all the people who grew up with Hartnell
> feel that Russell Davies and Steven Moffatt are raping their childhood)
Gustavo Wombat
Jun 1, 2012, 2:37:33 AM6/1/12
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And the female companion will get the line of: "He regenerated into my womb! That's disgusting!"
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