Shout Factory considering releasing G1 anime
Travoltron
TigerMegatron
I've already got the complete Japanese Takara TF series of
headmasters,masterforce & victory.
a few years ago amazon.com had a major blow out clearance sale for 75%
off & I bought all 3 for pennies to the dollar.
anyways,this makes no sense because all 3 series are in Japanese. the
english dubs have a limited voice cast that voice 5+characters each.
the voices have horrible accents & just sound awful. the animated they
acquired is piss poor,fuzzy & blurry.
about the only real way to do it right. is to recast the voices to
talented voice artist or select a few TF fans. I highly doubt shout
has all that money to re-do all the voices,re-do the horrible songs &
re-do the horrible noices/sound effects.
Onslaught Six
> anyways,this makes no sense because all 3 series are in Japanese. the
> english dubs have a limited voice cast that voice 5+characters each.
> the voices have horrible accents & just sound awful. the animated they
> acquired is piss poor,fuzzy & blurry.
>
> about the only real way to do it right. is to recast the voices to
> talented voice artist or select a few TF fans. I highly doubt shout
> has all that money to re-do all the voices,re-do the horrible songs &
> re-do the horrible noices/sound effects.
Why would they release it dubbed? Hell, why would anyone *watch* it
dubbed? It was Japanese to begin with, it needs to be viewed in
Japanese.
FortMax
> Why would they release it dubbed?
> Hell, why would anyone *watch* it dubbed? It was Japanese to
> begin with, it needs to be viewed in Japanese.
The Omni Productios dubs are awesome. Hell, not including the dubs would
be a deal-breaker for me.
"Fortress Maximus has come himself. Okay! Then I shall get Fortress
Maximus to fight me, huh huh huh!" - Scorponok
"At last the battle is over. It's a miracle that Fortress Maximus
survived. But will Scorponok return? Of course he will." - Narrator
--
FortMax's Transformers Instruction Archive
http://tfwiki.net/~fortmax/
FortMax
Because it isn't that difficult to have two sets of audio on a DVD?
> Hell, why would anyone *watch* it dubbed? It was Japanese to
> begin with, it needs to be viewed inJapanese.
The Omni Productions dubs are awesome. Hell, not including the dubs
G.B. Blackrock
any avatar icons (despite claiming to do so)? It just tells me that
they have to be Jpegs or gifs, which is exactly what I'm trying to
use....
G.B. Blackrock
Zobovor
> Why would they release it dubbed? Hell, why would anyone *watch* it
> dubbed? It was Japanese to begin with, it needs to be viewed in
> Japanese.
I wouldn't watch it in Japanese because I don't know the language.
Dubbing it into English enables me to understand what's happening.
(Well, understand what the characters are saying, anyway. I've seen
the dubbed versions of some episodes and half the time I *still* don't
understand what's going on.)
Zob
G.B. Blackrock
A lot of folks are perfectly happy watching foreign language films.
Just having subtitles in English is often considered enough.
If that's not for you, that's fine, but it bears mentioning.
G.B. Blackrock
Grebo
> http://www.shoutfactory.com/community/2724/thread.aspx
They should do BWII and BW Neo.
Chad Rushing
>
> Why would they release it dubbed? Hell, why would anyone *watch* it
> dubbed? It was Japanese to begin with, it needs to be viewed in
> Japanese.
Hear, hear! Despite having been a VOLTRON fan since the early 1980's,
I vastly preferred watching the subtitled GOLION over the dubbed
VOLTRON when they were both released to DVD not too long ago. Every
now and then, someone manages to pull off a decent dubbing of the
Japanese series, but it is a rare occasion in my experience.
Now, if Shout Factory decides to create an English voicetrack as an
audio option in order to increase a series' marketability, I have no
problem with that at all. I just don't know if the additional sales
resulting from one would offset the additional production costs. It
is -much- cheaper to only add subtitles to an existing series than it
is to dub it over in another language.
- Chad
...also known as Thunder
Headmasters, Masterforce and Victory on it. All had subtitles and
English dubbing options available and the set was in region 0. The only
bad thing is its in PAL format (no problem for my computer).
Having said that, a North American release would still be welcome (and I
might even buy it too). They need to do a new dub where the characters
sound all distinctive. I'd welcome a set of some kind--or maybe even
Blu-Ray (if Shout is so inclined).
t.k.
Zobovor
wrote:
> > I wouldn't watch it in Japanese because I don't know the language.
> A lot of folks are perfectly happy watching foreign language films.
> Just having subtitles in English is often considered enough.
> If that's not for you, that's fine, but it bears mentioning.
Dude, did I run over your cat or something? I kind of feel like
you've been harping on me lately.
I didn't say that everybody feels this way—just that I do. Onslaught
Six asked why anyone would watch the show if it were dubbed, and I
prefer it for the reasons I gave. I never made even the vaguest
suggestion that to feel otherwise was somehow wrong or stupid or
whatever.
Zob
Gustavo Wombat
Perhaps they could compromise and dub them in Engrish.
Reading subtitles requires a level of concentration that a lot of the
source material just doesn't really merit. There are things that I
will happily read subtitles on, but those things approach the level of
art. Headmasters is best viewed drunk, or stoned, or while doing
something else -- all things that make reading subtitles difficult.
With cartoons about giant robots that were written for 10 year olds,
I'm not necessarily looking for an authentic experience. It's like
authentic Guatemalan street food -- it sounds nice in principle, but
maybe it would be better to not use rancid beef.
Plus, a good dubbing can fix things. Really, I want multiple dubbings,
using the same animation to tell two entirely different stories.
Gustavo!
TigerMegatron
japanese language & wondering whats going on. no one says you have to
read every single word & every sentence.
ofacuse they'd be the option of sub-titles or no sub-titles.
ahsan.sa...@gmail.com
> On Feb 2, 4:20 am, Onslaught Six <onslaught...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 2, 3:47 am, TigerMegatron <TigerMegat...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > anyways,this makes no sense because all 3 series are in Japanese. the
> > > english dubs have a limited voice cast that voice 5+characters each.
> > > the voices have horrible accents & just sound awful. the animated they
> > > acquired is piss poor,fuzzy & blurry.
>
> > > about the only real way to do it right. is to recast the voices to
> > > talented voice artist or select a few TF fans. I highly doubt shout
> > > has all that money to re-do all the voices,re-do the horrible songs &
> > > re-do the horrible noices/sound effects.
>
> > Why would they release it dubbed? Hell, why would anyone *watch* it
> > dubbed? It was Japanese to begin with, it needs to be viewed in
> > Japanese.
>
> Perhaps they could compromise and dub them in Engrish.
>
> Reading subtitles requires a level of concentration that a lot of the
> source material just doesn't really merit. There are things that I
> will happily read subtitles on, but those things approach the level of
> art. Headmasters is best viewed drunk, or stoned, or while doing
> something else -- all things that make reading subtitles difficult.
My missus hates subtitles, but she needs them more often than not,
particularly where accents come in (Cockney, usually). But the trouble
is, she reads really slow, so she usually misses what's been going on
on-screen while she's reading the subtitles, and then has no idea
what's going on action-wise. And I can't leave them off, otherwise she
keeps interrupting and asking me what that guy said to the other guy
before he blew up the entire world.
G.B. Blackrock
That was harping? I'm sorry if I gave that impression.
SteveD
<Gustav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Reading subtitles requires a level of concentration
I wonder how much of that is a sticking point for audiences?
For me, reading takes up no brain cells or concentration. It's an
automatic function. I can't _not_ read something in front of me. Subtitles
are absorbed as fast as they appear - I barely even register that my eyes
have flicked to the bottom of the screen and back again.
A couple of years ago, I saw a subtitled live opera. Sung in Italian, of
course, the stage had an enormously large version of a stock ticker
mounted over it, and the translations appeared up there in real time.
Quite an interesting experiment.
-SteveD
Onslaught Six
> Dude, did I run over your cat or something? I kind of feel like
> you've been harping on me lately.
I haven't noticed anything particular. Maybe you're just getting
paranoid in your old age? :P
> I didn't say that everybody feels this way—just that I do. Onslaught
> Six asked why anyone would watch the show if it were dubbed, and I
> prefer it for the reasons I gave. I never made even the vaguest
> suggestion that to feel otherwise was somehow wrong or stupid or
> whatever.
Well, I'm not implying that even 'I' wouldn't watch the shows if they
were given an entirely new dub. In fact, I'd probably watch the new
dub if it were really good. But I'm sure whatever existing dubs are
atrocious and bad-quality and not worth watching to begin with, which
is what I was implying. More of a, "Why would you bother watching the
shitty existing dub when it's shitty and subtitles are better?"
Onslaught Six
<ahsan.salahud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My missus hates subtitles, but she needs them more often than not,
> particularly where accents come in (Cockney, usually). But the trouble
> is, she reads really slow, so she usually misses what's been going on
> on-screen while she's reading the subtitles, and then has no idea
> what's going on action-wise. And I can't leave them off, otherwise she
> keeps interrupting and asking me what that guy said to the other guy
> before he blew up the entire world.- Hide quoted text -
I used to have this problem too, really, I did. And then one day I
turned captions on my TV, just for regular old shows. It doesn't
particularly work for live broadcasts (for example, when I watch The
Daily Show, the captions lag behind sometimes a full fifteen seconds
behind what Jon Stewart is saying, and the software sometimes gets
confused and gets stuck on a word for a few seconds) but for almost
anything else, it just pops right up. And doing so really upped my
ability to read the subtitles and understand what was going on
visually. It's good practice!
Onslaught Six
> I wonder how much of that is a sticking point for audiences?
I remember some people were dissatisfied with the amount of subtitling
in Inglourious Basterds.
Zobovor
wrote:
> That was harping? I'm sorry if I gave that impression.
Okay, fair enough.
(I wonder whose cat that was, then...)
Zob
Chad Rushing
>
> <GustavoWom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Reading subtitles requires a level of concentration
>
> I wonder how much of that is a sticking point for audiences?
>
> For me, reading takes up no brain cells or concentration. It's an
> automatic function. I can't _not_ read something in front of me. Subtitles
> are absorbed as fast as they appear - I barely even register that my eyes
> have flicked to the bottom of the screen and back again.
It's the exact same way for me. My mind automatically speed reads the
subtitles, listens to the non-English voices, and somehow
unconsciously merges the two, so it is as if I already comprehend the
actual language being spoken. As long as the timing for the subtitles
matches that of the on-screen voices, I don't even notice that I am
watching subtitles. (That isn't the case for closed captioning on
live TV shows.) It's like when I am reading a G1 comic book and I
"hear" the original G1 voice actors speaking the dialogue in my head.
However, I strongly suspect that being able to passively absorb
subtitles that way requires one to be able to read very quickly and
very effortlessly. If I was having to -consciously- concentrate on
reading the subtitles throughout a show or movie, it would likely
create a less desirable viewing experience.
I also suspect that some people who have always lived in a monolingual
environment (i.e., most Americans) find listening to people speak in
other languages disconcerting to a degree, so they may subconsciously
feel more comfortable with watching live actors from another country
speaking the language with which they are familiar (usually English).
If you ever hear someone making fun of how other languages sound, it
is a good bet that they prefer English dubs.
- Chad
ahsan.sa...@gmail.com
> However, I strongly suspect that being able to passively absorb
> subtitles that way requires one to be able to read very quickly and
> very effortlessly. If I was having to -consciously- concentrate on
> reading the subtitles throughout a show or movie, it would likely
> create a less desirable viewing experience.
I watched the entire run of "Fate/Stay Night" in one night (okay, a
night and a day) with subtitles, no problem. And by the end of it, I
did feel as though I could start speaking Japanese, saying "Hai!"
everytime I wanted to say "Yes" and "Itakimasu" or whatever it is they
say when they have breakfast...
> I also suspect that some people who have always lived in a monolingual
> environment (i.e., most Americans) find listening to people speak in
> other languages disconcerting to a degree, so they may subconsciously
> feel more comfortable with watching live actors from another country
> speaking the language with which they are familiar (usually English).
> If you ever hear someone making fun of how other languages sound, it
> is a good bet that they prefer English dubs.
It's never the foreign languages that bother me. It's the "foreign"
languages that I do understand that bother me. Like for instance, the
interrogation of the guy with Tony Stark in the cave (in Iron Man)?
Yeah, that entire scene was in Urdu. Grammatically correct Urdu, but
the accents were terrible. The deliveries were much worse. I'm just
glad I don't speak Pushto, it would've made more of the movie cringe-
worthy.
Zobovor
> However, I strongly suspect that being able to passively absorb
> subtitles that way requires one to be able to read very quickly and
> very effortlessly. If I was having to -consciously- concentrate on
> reading the subtitles throughout a show or movie, it would likely
> create a less desirable viewing experience.
I think for me, the problem isn't necessarily having to concentrate or
not digesting the on-screen titles quickly enough. (Indeed, I read
very quickly, to the point that my wife often asks me to speedread
something and summarize it for her because I can do it in about half
the time that it typically takes her.)
I think my main objection to subtitles is that I know I'm missing the
nuances of the original spoken language. Japanese language, in
particular, is filled with all sorts of social etiquette about whether
or not you raise the tone of your voice or how succinct your syllables
are—this makes the difference between being polite to someone and
insulting them. I know that these conventions exist, but that doesn't
mean I'm going to be able to identify them if I hear them in a
language I don't understand. My point is that this doesn't always
come through in the written translation. It's like reading a
transcript of the dialogue. In The Transformers: the Movie, we all
know that Starscream is being sarcastic when he says, "How do you
feel, mighty Megatron?" but only because of his vocal delivery.
(Well, and the fact that he kicks him afterwards. But you get the
picture.)
Zob
Onslaught Six
> I think my main objection to subtitles is that I know I'm missing the
> nuances of the original spoken language. Japanese language, in
> particular, is filled with all sorts of social etiquette about whether
> or not you raise the tone of your voice or how succinct your syllables
> are—this makes the difference between being polite to someone and
> insulting them. I know that these conventions exist, but that doesn't
> mean I'm going to be able to identify them if I hear them in a
> language I don't understand. My point is that this doesn't always
> come through in the written translation. It's like reading a
> transcript of the dialogue. In The Transformers: the Movie, we all
> know that Starscream is being sarcastic when he says, "How do you
> feel, mighty Megatron?" but only because of his vocal delivery.
> (Well, and the fact that he kicks him afterwards. But you get the
> picture.)
I've heard this argument before, and though I occasionally agree with
it, I know several third-year Japanese students who are senior members
of my college's anime club--and they've said that sometimes, even the
'original' Japanese-language VAs are phoning it in and not quite
putting in the proper emphasis. It'd be as if, using your example,
Starscream's line is clearly meant to be sarcastic, but Chris Latta is
just doing this for a paycheck and the line doesn't come off as it
should be.
I dunno if I'm getting my point across very well, but yeah, there it
is. Sometimes, it's all context and stuff.
Travoltron
But I think the chances of Shout! making a new dub are pretty slim. It
wasn't done for Go Lion when it was released in the US, and Voltron has
the same demographic as Transformers. So your choices will probably
have to be Japanese w/ subtitles or the crappy Hong Kong dub. Do you
still prefer English dubbing if its atrocious?
Chad Rushing
>
> I think my main objection to subtitles is that I know I'm missing the
> nuances of the original spoken language. Japanese language, in
> particular, is filled with all sorts of social etiquette about whether
> or not you raise the tone of your voice or how succinct your syllables
> are—this makes the difference between being polite to someone and
> insulting them. I know that these conventions exist, but that doesn't
> mean I'm going to be able to identify them if I hear them in a
> language I don't understand.
I see what you mean. I guess I have watched so much subtitled anime
over the years that I have picked up quite a bit of the conversational
language and many of the verbal (and even nonverbal) nuances to which
you are referring. In fact, I have absorbed enough of it to notice on
occasion that the English subtitles don't match the tone or the actual
meaning of a character's line or short response well.
One thing that bothers me about some English dubs is that they opt to
rewrite the existing story or dialogue to something that caters more
to Western audiences or methods of storytelling. That happened a good
bit in the Unicron Trilogy of shows (which were all distinctly
Japanese), and it didn't go too well.
By the way, my previous comments were mostly a product of encountering
people who disliked subtitles for shallower reasons than wanting to
fully appreciate a movie/show as in your case, so my apologies if
those comments came off as insulting.
> My point is that this doesn't always
> come through in the written translation. It's like reading a
> transcript of the dialogue. In The Transformers: the Movie, we all
> know that Starscream is being sarcastic when he says, "How do you
> feel, mighty Megatron?" but only because of his vocal delivery.
> (Well, and the fact that he kicks him afterwards. But you get the
> picture.)
One example of a cultural nuance that does not carry over well into
English is a conflict in SUPERLINK between Laserwave (aka Shockblast)
and Megatron (if I recall correctly). Laserwave would refuse to use
the honorific suffix "-sama" like all of the other Destrons did when
speaking to Megatron, a sign of blatant disrespect on his part. I
think there was a point when Laserwave was finally humbled, and he
used the "-sama" suffix with Megatron. Unfortunately, that kind of
cultural-specific element is not going to translate over well even
with an English dub.
- Chad
SteveD
wrote:
>One example of a cultural nuance that does not carry over well into
>English is a conflict in SUPERLINK between Laserwave (aka Shockblast)
>and Megatron (if I recall correctly). Laserwave would refuse to use
>the honorific suffix "-sama" like all of the other Destrons did when
>speaking to Megatron, a sign of blatant disrespect on his part. I
>think there was a point when Laserwave was finally humbled, and he
>used the "-sama" suffix with Megatron. Unfortunately, that kind of
>cultural-specific element is not going to translate over well even
>with an English dub.
Point, although in that case it might have been possible to write it as
Laserwave simply copping an attitude towards Megatron.
-SteveD
BLACKMYSTECH RANGER
Re: Shout Factory considering releasing G1 anime
Group: alt.toys.transformers Date: Thu, Feb 4, 2010, 7:56pm (CST+14)
From: use...@vo.id.au (SteveD)
Why not release season 1 to 3 of the original Transformers series, with
all the comercials, and fact file on each ot them, plus Beast Wars/Beast
Machine, same deal as before with fact files, and comercials! Then
release the comics on a second dvd set that come over soon after and
that includes the Marvel Guide of Transformers, and have GiJoe vs
Transformers, then follow suit with rest an do same way!
Time to be evil!!
Let's Rock!!!
Kitty Pryde/ShadowCat is HOT!!!
Badness is cool!!!
Onslaught Six
> One example of a cultural nuance that does not carry over well into
> English is a conflict in SUPERLINK between Laserwave (aka Shockblast)
> and Megatron (if I recall correctly). Laserwave would refuse to use
> the honorific suffix "-sama" like all of the other Destrons did when
> speaking to Megatron, a sign of blatant disrespect on his part. I
> think there was a point when Laserwave was finally humbled, and he
> used the "-sama" suffix with Megatron. Unfortunately, that kind of
> cultural-specific element is not going to translate over well even
> with an English dub.
If such a thing were known in advance (which it typically wasn't in
the dubbing of Superlink to Energon) it would be easier to cultivate
an environment where that would work.
Comics and Collectables
> One example of a cultural nuance that does not carry over well into
> English is a conflict in SUPERLINK between Laserwave (aka Shockblast)
> and Megatron (if I recall correctly). Laserwave would refuse to use
> the honorific suffix "-sama" like all of the other Destrons did when
> speaking to Megatron, a sign of blatant disrespect on his part. I
> think there was a point when Laserwave was finally humbled, and he
> used the "-sama" suffix with Megatron. Unfortunately, that kind of
> cultural-specific element is not going to translate over well even
> with an English dub.
You simply replace "Megatron-sama" with "Lord Megatron," with
Shockblast refusing to call him "lord" until humbled. It ain't hard.
G.B. Blackrock
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the difficulty of doing an accurate
translation. Seldom is there an exact one-to-one correspondence from
"foreign word" to "English word." You have to settle for "best match"
a lot of the time. While "Lord Megatron" *is* an option here, it
needs to be noted that calling someone "Lord" means something rather
different in English than the honorific "-sama" means in Japanese.
My two cents,
G.B. Blackrock
Chad Rushing
>
> I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the difficulty of doing an accurate
> translation. Seldom is there an exact one-to-one correspondence from
> "foreign word" to "English word." You have to settle for "best match"
> a lot of the time. While "Lord Megatron" *is* an option here, it
> needs to be noted that calling someone "Lord" means something rather
> different in English than the honorific "-sama" means in Japanese.
Agreed. I'm not bilingual by any stretch of the imagination, but I
have taken enough foreign language courses to know that words/terms in
one language do not always translate one-to-one to English.
Furthermore, concepts specific to one culture do not always translate
well into another even if the associated words are matched up in a
dual-language dictionary.
For example, I regularly read a blog by an American living in Japan,
and he often writes about how much more assertive and individualistic
English is as a language than Japanese which is more passive and
collective with many verbally-reinforced social hierarchies. When he
is speaking Japanese, he says he unconsciously takes on a more humble
persona and even finds himself bowing to no one in particular while
talking on the phone to business partners. Another example is a sign
in the USA may authoritatively command "No Smoking" while a sign in
Japan may read "Let's All Not Smoke" which implies voluntary, communal
cooperation.
To bring this back on topic, the domestic success of ANIMATED leads me
to believe that Transformers shows that reflect Western cultural norms
work best for Western audiences while anime shows work best for
Japanese audiences (although I enjoy both kinds). It would be really
interesting to see two separate, cultural-specific shows concurrently
created for the exact same TF toyline and how they would differ, but I
really don't expect that to happen nowadays considering how small the
world has become.
- Chad
Onslaught Six
> To bring this back on topic, the domestic success of ANIMATED leads me
> to believe that Transformers shows that reflect Western cultural norms
> work best for Western audiences while anime shows work best for
> Japanese audiences (although I enjoy both kinds). It would be really
> interesting to see two separate, cultural-specific shows concurrently
> created for the exact same TF toyline and how they would differ, but I
> really don't expect that to happen nowadays considering how small the
> world has become.
I don't know if it's as cut-and-dried. For example, there's a lot of
clamour for the later G1 anime, which is actually really good (or at
least as good as the rest of the G1 cartoon), whereas there's nothing
for ArmEnerTron because those shows are horrible. (And RID everyone
just seems pretty "meh" on, despite it being one of my favourites.)
G.B. Blackrock
I wonder if RiD takes a back-seat simply because it wasn't reinforced
by new installments in-continuity for as long as the Unicron Trilogy
was. Even though Cybertron is only really "in continuity" with
Energon (for example) because "the powers that be" said so, that kept
that older stuff in the public consciousness in a way that wasn't true
with RiD once RiD itself was over. (Perhaps this has been further
complicated by the fact that RiD, being owned by Saban/Disney, CAN'T
be revisited in, say, a DVD release, at present)
Onslaught Six
> I wonder if RiD takes a back-seat simply because it wasn't reinforced
> by new installments in-continuity for as long as the Unicron Trilogy
> was. Even though Cybertron is only really "in continuity" with
> Energon (for example) because "the powers that be" said so, that kept
> that older stuff in the public consciousness in a way that wasn't true
> with RiD once RiD itself was over. (Perhaps this has been further
> complicated by the fact that RiD, being owned by Saban/Disney, CAN'T
> be revisited in, say, a DVD release, at present)
Cybertron was always 'intended' to be a sequel to Energon, it's just
that Takara didn't like that idea, took the toys, and made up a show
that didn't have all the references to the past serieses. And then the
dubbers kind of tried to shoehorn them back in without really knowing
what they were doing. ("I've never seen two Transformers combine like
that! Except when Prime was doing it. Twice. And also when everybody
on the Autobots' side was doing it. And when we all had Minicons.")
RID's lack of official US DVD release certainly doesn't help, but I
recall when I entered the online fandom proper (2002) that the general
feeling on RID was either "This is horrible and crap," or "Meh, it's
there." A small subsect does think it's great (myself included), but
yeah. A lot of people also tend to just unfairly lump it in with
ArmEnerTron because it's dubbed anime, which isn't fair at all because
RID was both well-produced in Japan *and* the dub was really well
done. The only thing really missing from RID that was in Car Robots
(besides the names, and that's Hasbro at work) was the bit about
Gigatron being a kind of energy vampire and stuff. (And the ending is
kind of stupid, what with Fort Max using the ultimate power of
children to summon the Master Sword, but hey.)
G.B. Blackrock
> On Feb 5, 2:36 pm, "G.B. Blackrock" <nicodemusleg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I wonder if RiD takes a back-seat simply because it wasn't reinforced
> > by new installments in-continuity for as long as the Unicron Trilogy
> > was. Even though Cybertron is only really "in continuity" with
> > Energon (for example) because "the powers that be" said so, that kept
> > that older stuff in the public consciousness in a way that wasn't true
> > with RiD once RiD itself was over. (Perhaps this has been further
> > complicated by the fact that RiD, being owned by Saban/Disney, CAN'T
> > be revisited in, say, a DVD release, at present)
>
> Cybertron was always 'intended' to be a sequel to Energon, it's just
> that Takara didn't like that idea, took the toys, and made up a show
> that didn't have all the references to the past serieses
I know all this. My point stands. It's really only in continuity
because the powers that be say it is.
SteveD
<onslau...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Fort Max using the ultimate power of
>children to summon the Master Sword
"And that's when he was arrested, your honor."
ahsan.sa...@gmail.com
> RID's lack of official US DVD release certainly doesn't help, but I
> recall when I entered the online fandom proper (2002) that the general
> feeling on RID was either "This is horrible and crap," or "Meh, it's
> there." A small subsect does think it's great (myself included), but
> yeah. A lot of people also tend to just unfairly lump it in with
> ArmEnerTron because it's dubbed anime, which isn't fair at all because
> RID was both well-produced in Japan *and* the dub was really well
> done. The only thing really missing from RID that was in Car Robots
> (besides the names, and that's Hasbro at work) was the bit about
> Gigatron being a kind of energy vampire and stuff. (And the ending is
> kind of stupid, what with Fort Max using the ultimate power of
> children to summon the Master Sword, but hey.)
I did like RiD, in spite of the dubbing. I think it's because so
little of it seemed to take itself seriously. What was Sky-Byte like
in the original Japanese?
...also known as Thunder
> I did like RiD, in spite of the dubbing. I think it's because so
> little of it seemed to take itself seriously. What was Sky-Byte like
> in the original Japanese?
He was deadly serious 100% of the time. :)
t.k.
Ka Faraq Gatri
<onslau...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Why would they release it dubbed? Hell, why would anyone *watch* it
>dubbed? It was Japanese to begin with, it needs to be viewed in
>Japanese.
I'd watch the dub if it were good so I don't have to keep my eyes
glued to screen every second. It's a little more labor-intensive to
watch a subbed anime, and sometimes I don't feel like putting in that
additonal effort. I'd love to see the original Japanese language, plus
two English dubs - the infamous "StarTV" dub and one that actually
makes sense. Just subbed would be fine, but I'd prefer the option of
a dub as well.
Velvet Glove
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 04:20:02 -0800 (PST), Onslaught Six
>
I think one of the problems with dubbing is that they try and tweak
the dialogue so that it fits with the characters' mouth movements
(although I'm assuming that this isn't always given a priority,
particularly with cheaper dubs), so you risk the translation being
even further away from the original meaning.
Personally, even if I'm completely unfamiliar with the language, I
like the option of being able to hear the lines delivered as they were
written. The nuances may go over my head, but I just love hearing
foreign languages--and in the case of a live-action film, I'd like to
hear the actors speak with their own voice. But I think it's mostly a
matter of taste. Also good entertainment: watching English films that
have been dubbed into foreign languages.
Velvet Glove (who admits that most of the time she forgets that RiD
exists; I wasn't part of the fandom when it was airing originally)
Onslaught Six
<ahsan.salahud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I did like RiD, in spite of the dubbing. I think it's because so
> little of it seemed to take itself seriously. What was Sky-Byte like
> in the original Japanese?
Almost exactly the same. RID was still as comedy-ridden as it was over
here. Just in Japanese. (Remember, one of the episodes that never
really aired over here featured Sky-Byte accidentally saving Koji and
his friends. Then they form a fan club for him.)
ahsan.sa...@gmail.com
> Almost exactly the same. RID was still as comedy-ridden as it was over
> here. Just in Japanese. (Remember, one of the episodes that never
> really aired over here featured Sky-Byte accidentally saving Koji and
> his friends. Then they form a fan club for him.)
But... t.k. said... he said he was deadly serious!
Oh, now I'm so confused.
Zobovor
<ahsan.salahud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Almost exactly the same. RID was still as comedy-ridden as it was over
>> here. Just in Japanese.
>
> But... t.k. said... he said he was deadly serious!
No, Onslaught Six is right. Gelshark was originally written as a
serious character who, over the course of the series, degenerated into
a blubbering comic relief character, which is exactly what happened
with Sky-Byte.
Zob
Craig Little
the subway!"?
--
Craig (Who's a RiD fanboy)
ahsan.sa...@gmail.com
Ohhh... so they pulled a Grimlock on him. Should've said so in the
first place.
Explains why everyone's so sympathetic to the guppy's plight.
Onslaught Six
<ahsan.salahud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ohhh... so they pulled a Grimlock on him. Should've said so in the
> first place.
>
> Explains why everyone's so sympathetic to the guppy's plight.
Actually, his character arc also sort of resembles what happened to
Cyclonus and Scourge in Headmasters. They were serious, powerful
characters in the movie and S3, but then Headmasters came along and
they became these two goofballs.