Why Keep Bringing Up Raksha?
Maximus Prime
here on ATT, there is a lot of nastiness and bad feelings. So why
do we keep bringing her up? Let's not, we'll be much happier--she's
already moved on to ATTCM, where *she's* much happier, let's do the
same here (not move to ATTCM, but move on and let sleeping dragons
lie. . .but I think y'all knew what I meant :-)
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word, Harrased for O-so long before I became an A.T.T.er about two
years ago?
What has she done that is so Wrong? so Intolerable? so Evil?
And why in the spotted heck do the words _Decepticon_ and _Why_
always pop up sometime during or after posts concerning her?
-Kronatron, who for some reason feals like a defense atourney. (8=][>
Pyre[Rock]
>
> I mean, like it says in the header--every time Raksha is mentioned
> here on ATT, there is a lot of nastiness and bad feelings. So why
> do we keep bringing her up?
You'll notice that the majority of the times that it's happened lately,
the initial post that starts the thread is posted by someone new that most
likely isn't entirely aware of the backlash that follows.
> Let's not, we'll be much happier--she's
> already moved on to ATTCM, where *she's* much happier, let's do the
> same here (not move to ATTCM, but move on and let sleeping dragons
> lie. . .but I think y'all knew what I meant :-)
>
Certainly.
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ViceGripX
>I mean, like it says in the header--every time Raksha is mentioned
>here on ATT, there is a lot of nastiness and bad feelings. So why
>do we keep bringing her up?
As Pyre [Rock] said in another post, the thread *usually* starts out
innocently enough. However, one person will reference her, then another,
old wounds open up and next thing you know it's "Flamefest `99."
Personally, since this seems to happen whenever her name comes up, I would
prefer to not mention her at all. A shame in a way, but if it keeps the
peace...
>Let's not, we'll be much happier--she's
>already moved on to ATTCM, where *she's* much happier, let's do the
>same here (not move to ATTCM, but move on and let sleeping dragons
>lie. . .but I think y'all knew what I meant :-)
Certainly do. I try to avoid threads like the current one running.
It's just not something I feel strongly enough about to contribute anything
to.
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A.Patyk
by the outlandishness of the Con-Quest essays I read that I had to respond
someow. Again, and I'll say this a million times, it's fine to have your
own view of your Transformers universe...but when you start trying to
fanatically try to tout your opinions as the truth in the offical TF
universe, and claim others who don't believe it are "sheep" and
wrong...that's just silly.
Rockman666
have strong opinions about certains things and sticks by them but that's no
reason to take it personally. Opinions are opinions. Everyone has them. I
found talking to her to be a pleasure and I would gladly look forward to seeing
her again at future BotCons.
Til all are one,
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ViceGripX
>I met Raksha at BotCon 99 and she was EXTREMELY nice in person. Maybe she
does
>have strong opinions about certains things and sticks by them but that's no
>reason to take it personally. Opinions are opinions. Everyone has them.
I
>found talking to her to be a pleasure and I would gladly look forward to
seeing
>her again at future BotCons.
Likewise. In fact, were it not for Raksha, I would never have completed
my collection of Transformers Action Cards (from 1985 for those keeping
track). She was pleasant to talk to and helped me end a fourteen year long
hunt. Everyone has they're opinions and are entitled to them.
Maximus Prime
if they were true. That's the nature of an opinion. . .and it's an
old philosopher's trick to get people to accept your point :-)
Granted, it doesn't work, but sometimes, if you seem passionate
enough, folks'll at least accept, if not believe, what you're saying
:-)
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Alicorn
" opinionated " Well how many women do you know that aren't?
Skyflight
: Well, I initially started the latest thread because I was just so blown away
: by the outlandishness of the Con-Quest essays I read that I had to respond
: someow. Again, and I'll say this a million times, it's fine to have your
: own view of your Transformers universe...but when you start trying to
: fanatically try to tout your opinions as the truth in the offical TF
: universe, and claim others who don't believe it are "sheep" and
: wrong...that's just silly.
*sigh* Here we go again..
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Zobovor
>I mean, like it says in the header--every time Raksha is mentioned
>here on ATT, there is a lot of nastiness and bad feelings. So why
>do we keep bringing her up? Let's not, we'll be much happier--she's
>already moved on to ATTCM, where *she's* much happier, let's do
>the same here (not move to ATTCM, but move on and let sleeping
>dragons lie. . .but I think y'all knew what I meant :-)
Well, for better or for worse, Raksha is one of the most prominent Transfans in
the Internet community. People are bound to mention her as they would Ben Yee
or, uh, that other guy.
The thing is, of course, that it takes two sides to start a battle. Every time
Raksha or one of her supporters defends her, they continue to fuel the fires.
I understand the need to speak up for yourself and your cause, and some might
argue that they can't just stand there and watch Raksha being attacked. So
they fight back.
Isn't this a bit like the trolls that pop in to disrupt ATT every so often?
They're trying to get a rise out of the newsgroup, and they get exactly what
they want when people respond to the asinine posts. Likewise, every time
someone (intentionally or not) pushes the "Raksha" hot button, someone (usually
Skyflight--not picking on you, it's admirable to stand up for a friend)
invariably responds with a lengthy tirade on why they should leave Raksha the
hell alone.
Here's a thought. Instead of taking the bait and responding to the attacks,
why not just exercise some self-control and ignore the original post? Until
this whole debalce started, I had made a resolution to only post if I had
something good or productive to contribute. I'll admit I've allowed myself to
be dragged into numerous flame wars, all for causes I felt strongly about. But
as Opus once said, ya gotta draw the line somewhere.
In short, don't curse the darkness. Light a candle. Please.
ZobTrivia of the Day (8/3): Who was the first Transformer toy with claws for
hands?
Answer for 7/31: The term "slag" was first used in "Equal Measures" (BW).
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Zobovor
>A.Patyk <paty...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>...but when you start trying to
>: fanatically try to tout your opinions as
the truth in the offical TF
>: universe, and claim others who don't
believe it are "sheep" and
>: wrong...that's just silly.
>*sigh* Here we go again..
Again? And again? And again? When does it end?
Since someone has to take the first steps, I guess it's gonna be me. No more.
That's all. No more.
Zobovor... I can't hear you... laa laa laaaa...
Rockman666
>" opinionated " Well how many women do you know that aren't?
Ouch, I sense a long thread of irrate female Transfans coming on. :-)
Joona I Palaste
: Ok ...don't flame me...Im new . Who is Raksha ? From what I've read she is
: " opinionated " Well how many women do you know that aren't?
Raksha, whose real name is J^HRaksha, is a popular American female
Transformers fan, who is a bit older than me and a bit younger than my
father. She has a pet snake called Avatar. She likes scorpions. She
hosted a Botcon somewhen, I think it was 1994 or 1995. She prefers the
Decepticons over the Autobots, and Generation 1 over Beast Wars. These
viewpoints, which she adamantly defends, have caused furious arguments
on Transformers newsgroups. Raksha is rarely seen on this newsgroup
these days, preferring the newsgroup alt.toys.transformers.classic.
moderated, which she helps moderate. Raksha has a homepage, but I
keep forgetting the URL. There should be a link to it at Robert Jung's
page (www.digiserve.com/eescape/tf/Transformers.shtml) and/or Iggy
Drougge's homepage (www.canit.se/~optimus/tf.html). I sold a Finnish
Transformers board game to Raksha way back in summer 1996.
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Alicorn
thread . I had enough of that at my high school.
Skyflight
: Isn't this a bit like the trolls that pop in to disrupt ATT every so often?
: they want when people respond to the asinine posts. Likewise, every time
: someone (intentionally or not) pushes the "Raksha" hot button, someone (usually
: Skyflight--not picking on you, it's admirable to stand up for a friend)
: invariably responds with a lengthy tirade on why they should leave Raksha the
: hell alone.
Actually, my posts (at least in my view) are more likely to be about the
falsehoods that are being spread and the misconceptions about points of
view. It seems fairly self-evident to me why people should leave her alone
(or at least refrain from personal attacks).
As to why I post such articles, I've always felt that when lies and
misconceptions are being spread around, the record needs to be set straight.
Particularly on a newsgroup like ATT. Over the years I've seen a lot of
young TransFans start out as impressionable newbies and gradually become
knowlegable mature TransFans. And if all they know about Decepticon fans in
general and Raksha in particular is the lies and insults that flamers toss
out, how will that shape their attitudes about us? What will they pick up
about being a TransFan in general when flames are let go without comment but
rational logical responses to those flames are challenged?
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Skyflight
: Ok ...don't flame me...Im new . Who is Raksha ? From what I've read she is
: " opinionated " Well how many women do you know that aren't?
Really, how many men do you know that aren't?
At any rate, here's the web site to find the answer to your question.
Liam Kavanagh
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But as Opus once said, ya gotta draw the line somewhere.
>
>
> Answer for 7/31: The term "slag" was first used in "Equal Measures" (BW).
>
Okay, I missed the question, but assuming that it was "when was the term
"slag" first used in Transformers", what about Return of Optimus Prime part
2? Or doesn't that count? And if not, why not? And if still not, then still
why not?
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Zobovor
>Okay, I missed the question, but assuming that it was "when was
>the term "slag" first used in Transformers", what about Return of
>Optimus Prime part 2? Or doesn't that count?
It would count if I'd phrased the question to encompass both series. The
actual question read:
ZobTrivia of the Day (8/3): The pejorative "slag" was first used in what BW
episode?
So there. Thpbbptt. :)
ZobTrivia of the Day (8/8): Name nine of Soundwave's cassettes from the
cartoon?
Answer for 8/8: Dirge was destroyed in G.I. JOE AND THE TFS #3; TF #50, and
TFG2 #12.
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zob...@aol.com (Zobovor) wrote:
> ZobTrivia of the Day (8/8): Name nine of Soundwave's cassettes from
the
> cartoon?
OK, here goes: Laserbeak, Buzzsaw (he did appear in the cartoon once,
IIRC), Ravage, Rumble, Frenzy, Ratbat, that funky scouting cassette,
Overkill, and <drumroll> Slugfest!
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But as Opus once said, ya gotta draw the line somewhere.
>
So Picard STOLE that line did he? Damn his eyes.
>
> Answer for 7/31: The term "slag" was first used in "Equal Measures" (BW).
>
Okay, I missed the question, but assuming that it was "when was the term
"slag" first used in Transformers", what about Return of Optimus Prime part
2? Or doesn't that count? And if not, why not? And if still not, then still
why not?
I think he meant as an expletive. Hey, if you want to talk about early uses
of that word, check out this passage from "The Immobilizer":
Wheeljack: "Immobilizer! It can stop any moving object in its
tracks. Once
I get a larger model booted up to max power, it’ll deactivate
the Decepticons permanently!
Starscream: Deactivate us, eh? We should vaporize those Autobot
fools and
fuse their carcasses into slag!
Megatron: We will, and we’ll use their own immobilizer
against them!
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> In article <19990809233501...@ng-fr1.aol.com>,
> zob...@aol.com (Zobovor) wrote:
> > ZobTrivia of the Day (8/8): Name nine of Soundwave's cassettes from
> the
> > cartoon?
>
> OK, here goes: Laserbeak, Buzzsaw (he did appear in the cartoon once,
> IIRC)
As far as I remember, he appeared three times, in "City of Steel",
"Atlantis,
Arise!" and then I regret to say I can't remember off-hand which the last
one is.
Liam Kavanagh
> Liam Kavanagh wrote:
>
> >Okay, I missed the question, but assuming that it was "when was
> >the term "slag" first used in Transformers", what about Return of
> >Optimus Prime part 2? Or doesn't that count?
>
> actual question read:
>
> ZobTrivia of the Day (8/3): The pejorative "slag" was first used in what
BW
> episode?
>
> So there. Thpbbptt. :)
>
Sean Holshu
<Kava...@Liamnet.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Zobovor <zob...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:19990805014756...@ng-cm1.aol.com...
>But as Opus once said, ya gotta draw the line somewhere.
>>
>So Picard STOLE that line did he? Damn his eyes.
>
>
>>
>> Answer for 7/31: The term "slag" was first used in "Equal Measures" (BW).
>>
>Okay, I missed the question, but assuming that it was "when was the term
>"slag" first used in Transformers", what about Return of Optimus Prime part
>2? Or doesn't that count? And if not, why not? And if still not, then still
>why not?
Even though Zob's questions are still really difficult for us, why not have it
where something would be a little harder for *him*? Take for instance, say, the
number of Throttlebots in the Brazilian TF line, multiplied by the number of
Korean knockoffs of everything from G1 to Beast Wars, then subtract the number
of TFs who died in the Movie, comic #50, comic #75, and G2 comic #11. Divide
THAT number by the number of times Jazz appeared in the cartoon, comic, and
Japanese continuity. I'm sure he won't be able to stump us, heh heh heh! :)
(By the way, the answer I got was 3, j/k)
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In article smitt...@aol.com says...
> It's really for kids.
>
So are Trix, but I don't exactly burst into flame every time I eat
cereal for breakfast. Beast Wars are for whoever likes them, so be gone,
ye of the troll-kingdom.
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