Lesson from Austria, Would You Vote for Hitler? The testimony of Kitty Werthman
Greegor
Lesson from Austria, Would You Vote for Hitler? The testimony of
Kitty Werthman
What I am about to tell you is something you’ve probably never heard
or will ever read in history books.
I believe that I am an eyewitness to history. I cannot tell you that
Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history. We
elected him by a landslide – 98% of the vote. I’ve never read that in
any American publications. Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in
with his tanks and took Austria by force. In 1938, Austria was in
deep Depression. Nearly one-third of our workforce was unemployed. We
had 25% inflation and 25% bank loan interest rates.
Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy daily. Young
people were going from house to house begging for food. Not that they
didn’t want to work; there simply weren’t any jobs. My mother was a
Christian woman and believed in helping people in need. Every day we
cooked a big kettle of soup and baked bread to feed those poor, hungry
people – about 30 daily.
The Communist Party and the National Socialist Party were fighting
each other. Blocks and blocks of cities like Vienna, Linz, and Graz
were destroyed. The people became desperate and petitioned the
government to let them decide what kind of government they wanted.
We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany, where Hitler had been
in power since 1933. We had been told that they didn’t have
unemployment or crime, and they had a high standard of living. Nothing
was ever said about persecution of any group -- Jewish or otherwise.
We were led to believe that everyone was happy. We wanted the same way
of life in Austria . We were promised that a vote for Hitler would
mean the end of unemployment and help for the family. Hitler also said
that businesses would be assisted, and farmers would get their farms
back. Ninety-eight percent of the population voted to annex Austria to
Germany and have Hitler for our ruler.
We were overjoyed, and for three days we danced in the streets and had
candlelight parades. The new government opened up big field kitchens
and everyone was fed.
After the election, German officials were appointed, and like a
miracle, we suddenly had law and order. Three or four weeks later,
everyone was employed. The government made sure that a lot of work was
created through the Public Work Service.
Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women. Before this, it
was a custom that married Austrian women did not work outside the
home. An able-bodied husband would be looked down on if he couldn’t
support his family. Many women in the teaching profession were elated
that they could retain the jobs they previously had been required to
give up for marriage.
Hitler Targets Education – Eliminates Religious Instruction for
Children:
Our education was nationalized. I attended a very good public school.
The population was predominantly Catholic, so we had religion in our
schools. The day we elected Hitler (March 13, 1938), I walked into my
schoolroom to find the crucifix replaced by Hitler’s picture hanging
next to a Nazi flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and
told the class we wouldn’t pray or have religion anymore. Instead, we
sang “Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles,” and had physical
education.
Sunday became National Youth Day with compulsory attendance. Parents
were not pleased about the sudden change in curriculum. They were told
that if they did not send us, they would receive a stiff letter of
warning the first time. The second time they would be fined the
equivalent of $300, and the third time they would be subject to jail.
The first two hours consisted of political indoctrination. The rest of
the day we had sports. As time went along, we loved it. Oh, we had so
much fun and got our sports equipment free. We would go home and
gleefully tell our parents about the wonderful time we had.
My mother was very unhappy. When the next term started, she took me
out of public school and put me in a convent. I told her she couldn’t
do that and she told me that someday when I grew up, I would be
grateful. There was a very good curriculum, but hardly any fun – no
sports, and no political indoctrination. I hated it at first but felt
I could tolerate it. Every once in a while, on holidays, I went home.
I would go back to my old friends and ask what was going on and what
they were doing. Their loose lifestyle was very alarming to me. They
lived without religion. By that time unwed mothers were glorified for
having a baby for Hitler. It seemed strange to me that our society
changed so suddenly. As time went along, I realized what a great deed
my mother did so that I wasn’t exposed to that kind of humanistic
philosophy.
Equal Rights Hits Home:
In 1939, the war started and a food bank was established. All food was
rationed and could only be purchased using food stamps. At the same
time, a full-employment law was passed which meant if you didn’t work,
you didn’t get a ration card, and if you didn’t have a card, you
starved to death. Women who stayed home to raise their families didn’t
have any marketable skills and often had to take jobs more suited for
men.
Soon after this, the draft was implemented. It was compulsory for
young people, male and female, to give one year to the labor corps.
During the day, the girls worked on the farms, and at night they
returned to their barracks for military training just like the boys.
They were trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and participated in the
signal corps. After the labor corps, they were not discharged but were
used in the front lines. When I go back to Austria to visit my family
and friends, most of these women are emotional cripples because they
just were not equipped to handle the horrors of combat. Three months
before I turned 18, I was severely injured in an air raid attack. I
nearly had a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the
labor corps and into military service.
Hitler Restructured the Family Through Daycare:
When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government
immediately established child care centers. You could take your
children ages 4 weeks to school age and leave them there around-the-
clock, 7 days a week, under the total care of the government. The
state raised a whole generation of children. There were no motherly
women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in
child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We
knew we had been had.
Health Care and Small Business Suffer Under Government Controls:
Before Hitler, we had very good medical care. Many American doctors
trained at the University of Vienna . After Hitler, health care was
socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the
government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going
to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his
office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same
time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had
to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research
as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical
schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and
emigrated to other countries.
As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income.
Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to
establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day care
and education were free. High schools were taken over by the
government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled
to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.
We had another agency designed to monitor business. My brother-in-law
owned a restaurant that had square tables. Government officials told
him he had to replace them with round tables because people might bump
themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have additional
bathroom facilities. It was just a small dairy business with a snack
bar. He couldn’t meet all the demands. Soon, he went out of business.
If the government owned the large businesses and not many small ones
existed, it could be in control.
We had consumer protection. We were told how to shop and what to buy.
Free enterprise was essentially abolished. We had a planning agency
specially designed for farmers. The agents would go to the farms,
count the live-stock, then tell the farmers what to produce, and how
to produce it.
“Mercy Killing” Redefined:
In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps . The
villagers were surrounded by mountain passes which, in the winter,
were closed off with snow, causing people to be isolated. So people
intermarried and offspring were sometimes retarded. When I arrived, I
was told there were 15 mentally retarded adults, but they were all
useful and did good manual work. I knew one, named Vincent, very well.
He was a janitor of the school. One day I looked out the window and
saw Vincent and others getting into a van. I asked my superior where
they were going. She said to an institution where the State Health
Department would teach them a trade, and to read and write. The
families were required to sign papers with a little clause that they
could not visit for 6 months. They were told visits would interfere
with the program and might cause homesickness.
As time passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people
died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not fooled. We
suspected what was happening. Those people left in excellent physical
health and all died within 6 months. We called this euthanasia.
The Final Steps - Gun Laws:
Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns.
Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few)
was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding
and dutifully marched to the police station to register their
firearms. Not long after-wards, the police said that it was best for
everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had
them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.
No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the
government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not
only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.
Totalitarianism didn’t come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until
1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria . Had it happened
overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath.
Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom
handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state,
little by little eroded our freedom.
After World War II, Russian troops occupied Austria. Women were raped,
preteen to elderly. The press never wrote about this either. When the
Soviets left in 1955, they took everything that they could,
dismantling whole factories in the process. They sawed down whole
orchards of fruit, and what they couldn’t destroy, they burned. We
called it The Burned Earth. Most of the population barricaded
themselves in their houses. Women hid in their cellars for 6 weeks as
the troops mobilized. Those who couldn’t, paid the price. There is a
monument in Vienna today, dedicated to those women who were massacred
by the Russians. This is an eye witness account.
It’s true….those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to a
country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity. America Truly is the
Greatest Country in the World. Don’t Let Freedom Slip Away.
After America, There is No Place to Run.
Greegor
> http://www.examiner.com/x-25060-Fort-Worth-Christianity--Culture-Exam...
What do you think, Dan Sullivan?
Greegor
Greegor
robbielynn
me something similar.
Kent Wills
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>No comments on this, Dan?
Don't you find it a bit revealing that you ask for another's
comments but have none to offer yourself?
Apparently you aren't about the substance, but rather about
poorly disguised harassment.
Why should anyone have to comment on something introduced to the
group within YOUR demanded time frame? Especially someone about whom
you are so obsessed that you know, to the day, how long he's not been
posting?
Do you expect this of yourself - that you should make an
immediate comment, or comment at all on just anything someone pops up
with?
How shallow you show yourself to be. Or, how UNABLE you are to
live up to the standards you DEMAND of others.
Greegor
RL > This sounds quite believeable. I had a
RL > German friend tell me something similar.
Does it sound like something in the news recently?
G > No comments on this, Dan?
KBW > Don't you find it a bit revealing that
KBW > you ask for another's comments
KBW > but have none to offer yourself?
Are you accusing me of sniping at Dan?
KBW > Apparently you aren't about the substance,
KBW > but rather about poorly disguised harassment.
To quote Dan himself, it was JUST a question!
KBW > Why should anyone have to comment on
KBW > something introduced to the group within
KBW > YOUR demanded time frame?
Now WHO do you suppose has made that
same argument but involving demands for
a response within less than a day?
Why, It was me! Hmm...
KBW > Especially someone about whom you are
KBW > so obsessed that you know, to the day,
KBW > how long he's not been posting?
Which is exactly what Davey and you just
did to Ken Pangborn isn't it, Kent?
And 5 days along I pointed out that Dan had
not posted for even LONGER!
Yet I am the obsessed one, and supposedly
you are not, right Kent?
Typical Kent Wills brain trust material.
KBW > Do you expect this of yourself - that
KBW > you should make an immediate
KBW > comment, or comment at all on
KBW > just anything someone pops up with?
Kent, Do you expect things of yourself?
Do you limit your own responses to hard,
fast rules that you set for yourself?
In fact, You're such a misfit you have a tough time
relating to unpredictable human beings,
don't you, Kent?
KBW > How shallow you show yourself to be.
Oh, That HURTS me! LOL
KBW > Or, how UNABLE you are to live up to
KBW > the standards you DEMAND of others.
Kent, You pretend that the ONLY logic is that which
operates at a level that you try to manipulate.
Nice try though. You are ever the con artist, Kent.
I'm sure that Dan will see that you tried to protect
him from the ravages of being asked for his opinion.
LOL
freedom
Ken claims to be a legal professional. Yet he seemingly can't even keep
his internet service active.
Prospective clients have a right to know that the guy they're hiring might
suddenly be unable to correspond with them, or research their case, due to
his internet service randomly being cut off for his harassment of
strangers.
>
>And 5 days along I pointed out that Dan had
>not posted for even LONGER!
>
>Yet I am the obsessed one, and supposedly
>you are not, right Kent?
You're so obsessed that you post pages upon pages of spam, regarding some
guy who has nothing to do with you. Based solely upon the fact that he
shares the same common first and last name as another of your targets.
Blow up any buildings lately, Marwan?
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one DESPICABLE CUNT!!!! ....Bitch you are GUTTER SLIME!"
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I ran out of there as fast as we could back in the late summer of 2002. He
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because of how he would talk to her and come on to her....and he had over
180 pictures of her on his computer"
--Ken Pangborn's daughter Megan
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"If you call the police, I'll knock out all of your teeth, I'll cripple
you. I may go to prison for it, but when I get out, I'll be able to walk,
but you will still be a cripple."
--Pangborn puppet Greg Hanson of alt.support.child-protective-services **,
in a verbal threat to his girlfriend
** - this conclusion was reached via applying Ken and Greg's logic
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Greegor
DDM > Yet he seemingly can't even keep
DDM > his internet service active.
What are you talking about? His web site is running just fine!
DDM > Prospective clients have a right to know
DDM > that the guy they're hiring might suddenly
DDM > be unable to correspond with them, or
DDM > research their case, due to his internet
DDM > service randomly being cut off for his
DDM > harassment of strangers.
What the heck are you talking about, Dave?
DDM > You're so obsessed that you post pages
DDM > upon pages of spam, regarding some
DDM > guy who has nothing to do with you.
DDM > Based solely upon the fact that he
DDM > shares the same common first and last
DDM > name as another of your targets.
Dave, You've got an entire FAN CLUB of people
who know exactly who you are and some
of them are actually people who matter.
David Daniel Moore AKA David Ulanowski Random
DOB 9/26/70
DDM > Blow up any buildings lately, Marwan?
I bet the anonymous remailer community
will just LOVE how you attract a certain
kind of special attention, Dave!
Kent Wills
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>DDM > Ken claims to be a legal professional.
>DDM > Yet he seemingly can't even keep
>DDM > his internet service active.
>
>What are you talking about? His web site is running just fine!
>
Which, as you know, unless you're far more stupid (unable to
learn) that I dared to imaging, has nothing to do with his ISP.
As Ken was so kind as to point out, his web sites (plural) are
hosted by a service other than Roadrunner, the last known ISP he used.
Is there a SPECIFIC reason you are deceptively trying to make it
appear as if Ken's web sites are hosted by Roadrunner?
>DDM > Prospective clients have a right to know
>DDM > that the guy they're hiring might suddenly
>DDM > be unable to correspond with them, or
>DDM > research their case, due to his internet
>DDM > service randomly being cut off for his
>DDM > harassment of strangers.
>
>What the heck are you talking about, Dave?
All available evidence suggests Pangborn's Roadrunner account was
yanked due to his stalking and harassment of a man he's never met and
doesn't know.
>
>DDM > You're so obsessed that you post pages
>DDM > upon pages of spam, regarding some
>DDM > guy who has nothing to do with you.
>DDM > Based solely upon the fact that he
>DDM > shares the same common first and last
>DDM > name as another of your targets.
>
>Dave, You've got an entire FAN CLUB of people
>who know exactly who you are and some
>of them are actually people who matter.
I know exactly who David is, and he's not the same person who
lives in Calumet City, IL. Even Pangborn is aware of this, as
evidenced by his comment to the CC David.
>
>David Daniel Moore AKA David Ulanowski Random
>DOB 9/26/70
>
>DDM > Blow up any buildings lately, Marwan?
>
>I bet the anonymous remailer community
>will just LOVE how you attract a certain
>kind of special attention, Dave!
<Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson mode>
That's not a denial.
</mode>
[snip of Greg's further PROOF that his use and abuse of illegal drugs
has makes him think he's exempt from any and all laws]
A select number of items that really are about Gregory Scott "Piggly
Wiggly" Hanson (either directly or through the same standards he
DEMANDS be held to others):
Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
(DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT
"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
Greg "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, by
attacking my first wife (deceased).
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead
Me: "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg. Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?
Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:
"Of course."
"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
-- Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson, wife beater and child
abuser
" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
April 2000, Gregory "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson
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From: Greegor <gree...@gmail.com>
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With the Christmas season upon us again, my stepdaughter was launching
into her usual tirade of "I need this" (Nintendo 64 games, Pokemon,
videos, Rhianna CD, etc.) After enduring a trip through Kmart, I
was at my wits end. I took the kid home and filled the bathtub with
water. Then I dunked the brat's head under the water and counted out
a full minute, with her flailing her arms. I brought her up and she
gasped for air. When she'd caught her breath, I asked her, "When you
were under that water, did you 'need' Nintendo? Pokemon? Rhianna?"
She shook her head. "What were you thinking about?" I
prodded. She told me "I was thinking that I needed air."
"Now you know the difference between 'need' and 'want'" I exclaimed
triumphantly.
--a true story
As of Sunday, Nov. 29, 2009:
Financials
Title: STATE OF IOWA VS HANSON, GREG SCOTT
Case: 06571 AGCR015216 (LINN)
Citation Number:
Summary Orig Paid Due
COSTS 9200.00 850.00 8350.00
FINE 500.00 500.00 0.00
SURCHARGE 150.00 150.00 0.00
RESTITUTION 0.00 0.00 0.00
OTHER 0.00 0.00 0.00
$9850.00 $1500.00 $8350.00
Yes, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson still owes over
$8000.00 related to his convictions for BEATING his ex-wife.
"I am now a "founded" child abuser for making a
7 year old take a fast cold shower."
-- Gregory Scot "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson bragging in MID
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Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson admitted that by his standards,
he RAPED his ex-wife. The same ex-wife he was twice convicted for
BEATING.
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Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson admits that his use and abuse of
illegal drugs forced him to LIE about the existence of certain
photographs.
Greegor
KBW > Roadrunner account was yanked due to his
KBW > stalking and harassment of a man he's
KBW > never met and doesn't know.
""All available evidence""??
What evidence?
Firemonkey
> What evidence?
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"Jon Beaver" <jbea...@imagecomp.com>
> These cases should be hard to prosecute. I don't think we want the
> government acting precipitously to any allegation, child abuse/neglect
> or false reports of it. If anything, we should have a higher
> tolerance for uncertainty about allegations of false reports. We who
> are concerned about CPS abuse of power should not take the position
> that that power should be abused against someone else.
>
> The problem here is that government can't raise children. No matter
> how much they try, no matter how much money they spend, they can only
> harm and threaten to harm. So every social problem devolves to a
> search for someone to blame and punish. As somebody once said, if all
> you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
>
> - Jon Beaver
>In my present circumstances, I find it hard to feel compassion for
>a tainted, motivated, scroogelike and factually wrong witness who
>has been instrumental in helping grandparents use CPS as a weapon.
>His accusation was quickly proven false, in multiple ways, but
>CPS still* presented it to the judge as accurate.
>I am angry that CPS allowed themselves to be used in this way.
>CPS ignored all assertions of witness contamination.>
>As an ongoing victim of CPS and their "helping relationship" (sic)
>we really have no legal recourse at this moment.
>The only corrective measure left to us is Civil Suit, after we
>get "helped" into submission.
>Sure, I'd gladly trade having the child home now, for potential
>civil action later, but unfortunately, CPS knows this and uses it.
>We made the mistake of working with them "in good faith" for
>two weeks before we figured out on our own that they were
>not operating "in good faith". That's when we discovered the
>array of anti-CPS sites on the web, and recognized quite a
>few of the rotten tactics that CPS people use all over the US.
>Herein lies the real breach of trust. CPS and attorneys often
>dismiss anti-CPS sites as "crackpot" basically. But when an
>innocent family operating in good faith realizes that the
>anti-CPS sites really do "have CPS's number", the naivety ends.
>When a naive innocent sees anti-CPS descriptions of the dirty
>tricks that CPS uses, and recognizes* the tactics, the lamb
>becomes the lion.
>Sure, Jon, I'd rather see CPS use their brain about false
>accusations, but until they do, aren't we forced to sue?
>You seem to presume a reasonable world. I cannot.
>I'd have to see it before I can operate on the philosophical
>plane you described. First I have to drag myself out of
>the mud selectively flung upon me.
>I have to live in fear of another false accusation starting
>a similar quagmire all over again, forever.
<Yes, I want liars marked as liars.
>I am now a "founded" child abuser for making a
>7 year old take a fast cold shower.
>(Not initial accusation, result of witchhunt)
>Never have I seen anybody offer substantial answers
>about how to avoid recurring false accusations.
>Do you have any answers?
>PS- no disrespect intended, Jon.
6. Marilynn View profile
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From: Marilynn <Marilynn_mem...@newsranger.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 02:55:23 GMT
Local: Tues, Apr 3 2001 9:55 pm
Subject: Re: Iowa and false accusations
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Good luck! Are you a member of CPS Watch yet? It's at www.cpswatch.com.
Marilynn
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>My family is in week 8 of DHS/CPS hell right now in Iowa.
>Obsessive maternal grandmother left her phone number with senile old man
>across the
>road from us to watch us. Old man is known to be a neighborhood grouch and
>has
>yelled across the road at us many times over the last two years. Grouchy
>neighbor
>mouths off at us, then calls the grandma, who incites grandfather to come
>over here
>and whack me on the side of the head and force his way in. (vigilante' act)
Firemonkey notes: The Neighbor called the grandparents when he noticed
that greg
had locked his girlfriends 7 yr old daughter out of the trailer with
no shoes or
coat on a January day in Iowa.
>They called the police, and I called the police. (There are 911 tapes)
>Police interviewed 7 year old who denied she was abused. (accusation was
>false)
>Child was removed for clutter in our house and the accusation they already
>found
>out was false.
Firemonkey notes: greg had locked the child outin the cold, his
trailer was stacked
with crap up to the ceiling.
The little girl told a caseworker that greg had been washing her
private parts with
his bare hands after forcing her to strip naked and into cold showers.
>Removed to the grandpa, who just committed a vigilante
>act of violence upon me, and grandma who doesn't take her Prozac, doesn't
>take her prescribed heart medicine, is diabetic and incontinent (wears
>depends).
>Perhaps it helps them that the senior Police officer is neighbor to
>grandparents.
>(We figured out Police mysteriously didn't report assault upon me.)
>One of the officers asked the grandma if she was on any medication "No"
>(lied)
>DHS found out right away that the neighbors accusation was false, and began
>emphasizing our clutter as a safety issue. We made the mistake of
>cooperating
>with DHS in good faith for two weeks, until we realized that they were not
>working in good faith with us. A third party agency social worker spent a
>week
>with us with the stated goal of safety, and the title of Family
>Preservation.
Firemonkey notes: grag had already been involved in at least two
earlier investigations
regarding his ex-wifes children. greg has a history with cpsproblems
with other peoples children.
>The child would have to return within 7 days or this would be cancelled.
>This sounded great, except DHS had absolutely NO INTENTION of fulfilling
>their side of that bargain by sending the girl home. A plan we wrote up with
>that worker for resolving clutter issue was never answered by DHS. At the
>two week mark we realized their bad intentions and retracted information
>releases from
>and to all of the agencies and the childs school. (As yet untainted) We went
>to
>DHS to obtain our copy of the first document signed, and to request
>visitation. The rather bariatric supervisor took us into an office. We left
>a handwritten note requesting visitation. I asked why we were not given a
>copy of the first document automatically.
>The supervisor of the vacationing social worker said "Well, maybe she didn't
>have a copy." as she pulled out the form. I pointed out that it was a
>multipart carbonless form (visible) so she obviously DID have a copy! I
>asked her why she was "making excuses" for the vacationing social worker. I
>pointed out that we had cooperated
>with the DHS without a court order, and that we COULD HAVE taken the child
>home any time during the prior two weeks. This supervisor apparently lied
>and said
>that we INTENDED to take the child home. (Why turn in visit request then?)
>That Friday I got a call from DHS warning us not to exercise our legal right
>to go get
>the girl, that DHS was going to court on Monday and Police were directed by
>DHS to take the girl back to grandparents if we got her. (Absent a court
>order, promising one) I informed Kevin at DHS that The US Supreme Court had
>decided
>11 to 1 that DHS removal is in itself ABUSE, and so they need damned good
>reasons to remove a child. I pointed out that "clutter" just doesn't
>conform.
Firemonkey: Maybe so with "clutter" but not so with the little girl
telling
them about your washing her privates parts with your bare hands, after
forcing her
naked into a cold showersand locking her outside with no shoes or
coat.
>I also informed Kevin that this was a pretty severe violation of our 14th
>amendment rights under the US constitution. I also informed Kevin that he
>was not immune to
>prosecution for this according to another US Supreme Court decision. I
>complained
>that I knew he would sneak into court to get the removal order without any
>rebuttal
>and asked if we could be present to rebut it. We spent half a day at the
>court house,
>and met the prosecuting attorney "I heard your house was a disaster area.".
>Try though we did, rebuttal at this point was not possible. DHS got removal
>of course.
>Our public pretender was appointed. Didn't subpoena anything, didn't motion
>for
>anything, didn't object to glaring improprieties, didn't fight anything,
>allowed them
>to do a sex-abuse exam for no other reason than a potty problem from the
>past and
>a proveable lie from DHS themselves.
Firemonkey: Again greg fails to mention the washing of private parts
with bare hands.
>Girls mother was to go and hold her
>hand during the legalized groping. Instead DHS people did an "ambush
>interview" of the mother during the time of the physical exam, without
>attorney present. Photographed the 7 year old girls crotch and interviewed
>her on video tape. No physical evidence of sexual abuse. Later they still
>implied that I had washed her privates with my hands. The mother has had 2
>two hour supervised visits in 8 weeks. (requested at 2 week mark remember) I
>have had none, and I was supposed to get some visits after this sick sexual
>exam cleared me, which might explain why they are implying dirt.
Firemonkey: Any reasonable person would have a hard time beliving
that
cps would force a childinto a sex abuse exam "for clutter"if there was
not evidence of abuse.
>One interview with bad witness written up two substantially different ways.
>Child herself refuted bad witness' accusation.
>DHS caught in big lie to judge about their own past reports on me.
>DHS violated many of their own rules, if the foundational DHHS guide is even
>close.
> (1992 Child Protective Services: A guide for caseworkers (Panfilis/Salus)
> US HHS Contract HHS-105-88-1702 (NCCAN 800/FYI-3366)
> impartiality, respect for individuality, fairness, .....
Greg Hanson View profile
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From: "Greg Hanson" <gree...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 06:34:05 GMT
Local: Sun, Apr 29 2001 1:34 am
Subject: abuse or discipline?
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>After all of the witchhunt these last 11 weeks, here is the
>meat of what we're accused of:
> - Made 7 year old take fast cold shower as consequence for daytime wetting
> - Pushed head under shower spray
> - Cluttered house
>I could see these justifying parent counseling, but removal of child
>for over 11 weeks seems extreme.
?Have we come so far that a fast cold shower is viewed as sadism?
Firemonkey: Most reasonable people would think forcing your
girlfriends 7 yr old daughter
(mother was not at home) to undress and get into a cold shower
>PS- Cold shower treatment was highly motivational and worked.
(Was not wetting because of bladder infection.)
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From: "Greg Hanson" <gree...@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 03:47:30 GMT
Local: Sun, Apr 29 2001 10:47 pm
Subject: Re: abuse or discipline?
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Ric: I only partly understand your sarcasm in this response.
> I suspect that if I really* let them know that other people are
>considering this treatment, they will come after me more. :)
>The baseball black eye analogy was sort of disturbing to me.
>From one angle it could be construed as making fun of me, which
>I can take. I am not so fragile. I can't even be sure about
>>whether or not you intended to make fun of me. I hope not.
>I am not trying to explain away real abuse as sports injury.
>(That's the uncertain hint that crossed my mind.)
>The angle that seemed stronger and more likely intended was that
>a kid needs to pay attention to both softball and bladder.
>Failure in either arena results in problems.
>So your recommending that I tease them for their 11 week "solution"?
>I confess that I feel foolish and naive about how a quick cold shower
>becomes sadistic. I've taken many cold showers in my life.
>I never felt they were sadistic. Should I see them that way?
>Admittedly confused, Greg
Firemonkey: Have you ever been a 7 yr old girl who was forced to strip
naked
and get into a cold shower by your mommys boyfriend?
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From: "Greg Hanson" <gree...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 00:02:19 GMT
Local: Mon, Apr 30 2001 7:02 pm
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"Fern5827" <fern5...@aol.com>
> Greg, the child may have a bladder infection. It is daytime accident.
Definately not bladder infection. Frequency gives those away.
> It's a good idea to keep those large sized baby wipes on hand, no alcohol,
> rinse in warm warm to cleanse.
Too big an area, shower less invasive on 7 year old.
Firemonkey: Did greg REALLY think Fern was recommending greg use the
wipes on the girl?
After all, greg has stated many times that the girl was advanced for
her age, surely she could
have taken care of that herself.
This statement from greg indicates he was indeed washing the childs
genitals himself.
> Anyway, CPS should not be INVOLVED. Micromanaging lives doesn't work
anyway.
> Does your boss micromanage your work?
Firemonkey: And, as an unrelated male you had no business
micromanaging this little girls body.
>Understood.
Jon,
I grew up in Minnesota, and my ancestry is mostly Norwegian.
My ancestors took saunas and then jumped into snow banks.
I am well aware of what real hypothermia is and this is not.
This child was not wetting because of a physical ailment of any kind,
nor a psychiatric disorder. She just simply didn't want to take time
out of her exciting activities to waste 5 minutes in the bathroom.
1st grader performing at 5th grade level, enormous enthusiasm.
We established the fast cold shower as a consequence for
failing to manage bathroom trips. Her daytime wetting was
and is completely avoidable, as was the consequence.
It worked.
Why can't they presume the good, not the bad?
Firemonkey: Because people wonder what the hell you were doing with an
unrelated
naked 7 yr old while her mother was at work.
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From: "Greg Hanson" <gree...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:59:43 GMT
Local: Tues, May 29 2001 2:59 pm
Subject: Fair Psych Eval vs. "Input" from DHS
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I have scheduled a Psych Eval for June 21st, the carrot is visits.
I am not as much concerned that the facility is a stooge for the DHS,
as I am about the "Input" required to even schedule the Psych Eval.
The scheduling person could not even schedule the Psych Eval until
knowing the parameters of just what DHS wants the Psych Eval to
"look for", so that they can report to DHS what they need to
clear me. Apparently, different modules or tests can be set up and
there is a legitimate side of this having to do with time and
facilities
scheduling. On the other side, I don't like that there IS input to
this.
Input parameters/concerns DHS has:
Controlling
Need to be the victim
Domestic Violence
Anger Management Issues
There may be more, as these were passed verbally, and scheduling
person did not tell me what I already knew was input, only
verified what I already knew, no other points.
(In other words, logical reason to suspect more are hidden.)
Another factor that bothers me is that they scheduled 10 more
hours for therapy, after the Psych Eval. (Presuming need!)
(Sure, it might be "just in case" but there's reason to question.)
Coincidentally (not) this ongoing therapy was spelled out in the
"Case Plan" a month back. Hmm....
Controlling? If they knew Lisa, they would not even try that.
Let's just say she has a strong personality. :)
Firemonkey: Yet she allowed her new boyfriend to babysit her
7 yr old daughter, knowing that you were spanking her and forcing her
to strip and get into cold showers. When given the choice to support
her
young daughter by kicking you out until a complete investigation was
done,
she chose you over her daughter. Hmm. I don't see the strong
personality there.
I see a woman so desperate for a man attentions she will foresake her
own child.
Need to be the victim? The assailant who attempted an
illegal removal by force on removal day Feb 8th now has
a warrant out for his arrest. DHS *IS* abuse.
Overcame DHS perjury accusing me of sexual abuse.
Logic and justice are also victims.
Domestic Abuse? From my past. None here.
My record from 4 years ago makes me an easy target for this.
No credit for having gone through Domestic Abuse classes.
Risk is everything, 2.5 years with Lisa and no incident.
Anger Management? I never needed Anger Management
until my family began suffering DHS ABUSE.
Firemonkey:Not even after you were convicted twice for beating your ex-
wife
and being investigated for abusing her children?
Doesn't this "input" to DHS skew the Psych Eval against me?
Would a letter to the judge about this "input" help?
I feel railroaded.
Firemonkey: No greg, Lisa's daughter was railroaded, by you.
Greegor
KBW > Roadrunner account was yanked due to his
KBW > stalking and harassment of a man he's
KBW > never met and doesn't know.
G > ""All available evidence""??
G > What evidence?
[ 2001 messages ]
Lesson from Austria, Would You Vote for Hitler? The testimony of Kitty
Werthman
1 Greegor Jan 1
2 Greegor Jan 10
3 Kent Wills Jan 11
4 robbielynn Jan 10
5 Greegor Jan 12
6 Kent Wills Jan 13
7 freedom Jan 12
8 Greegor Jan 14
9 Kent Wills Jan 14
10 Greegor Jan 14
What evidence?
11 Firemonkey Jan 14
Firemonkey wrote with subject: What evidence?
Are you saying that this stuff from April of 2001
is "all available evidence" that Ken's internet provider
kicked him off the internet in the year 2010?
Firemonkey
> Firemonkey wrote with subject: What evidence?
> Are you saying that this stuff from April of 2001
> is "all available evidence" that Ken's internet provider
> kicked him off the internet in the year 2010?
Is that what you think I was saying grag?
Greegor
G > Are you saying that this stuff from April of 2001
G > is "all available evidence" that Ken's internet provider
G > kicked him off the internet in the year 2010?
FM > Is that what you think I was saying grag?
Your subject line and the context of the conversation say so.
I think you're confused.
Director
Greegor <gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> DDM > Ken claims to be a legal professional.
> DDM > Yet he seemingly can't even keep
> DDM > his internet service active.
>
>
Flush.
freedom
>DDM > Ken claims to be a legal professional.
>DDM > Yet he seemingly can't even keep
>DDM > his internet service active.
>
>What are you talking about? His web site is running just fine!
His ability to post to usenet isn't. Neither, obviously, is his ability to=
ghost-write your posts for you. As a result, your posts are even more
idiotic than usual....if that's even possible.
>
>DDM > Prospective clients have a right to know
>DDM > that the guy they're hiring might suddenly
>DDM > be unable to correspond with them, or
>DDM > research their case, due to his internet
>DDM > service randomly being cut off for his
>DDM > harassment of strangers.
>
>What the heck are you talking about, Dave?
Have Ken explain it to you. Oops, he can't, his internet account has been
terminated. ROFL!
>
>DDM > You're so obsessed that you post pages
>DDM > upon pages of spam, regarding some
>DDM > guy who has nothing to do with you.
>DDM > Based solely upon the fact that he
>DDM > shares the same common first and last
>DDM > name as another of your targets.
>
>Dave, You've got an entire FAN CLUB of people
>who know exactly who you are and some
>of them are actually people who matter.
Too bad you're not one of them.
>
>David Daniel Moore AKA David Ulanowski Random
>DOB 9/26/70
Doesn't post here.
>
>DDM > Blow up any buildings lately, Marwan?
>
>I bet the anonymous remailer community
>will just LOVE how you attract a certain
>kind of special attention, Dave!
Your love for blowing up buildings attracts attention to me? Care to
explain that one, Marwan?
Greegor
DDM > Yet he seemingly can't even keep
DDM > his internet service active.
G > What are you talking about? His web site is running just fine!
DDM > His ability to post to usenet isn't.
On what do you base that?
DDM > Neither, obviously, is his ability to
DDM > ghost-write your posts for you. As
DDM > a result, your posts are even more
DDM > idiotic than usual....if that's even possible.
Ad Hom from you, how amazing is that?
DDM > Prospective clients have a right to know
DDM > that the guy they're hiring might suddenly
DDM > be unable to correspond with them, or
DDM > research their case, due to his internet
DDM > service randomly being cut off for his
DDM > harassment of strangers.
G > What the heck are you talking about, Dave?
DDM > Have Ken explain it to you.
DDM > Oops, he can't, his internet account
DDM > has been terminated. ROFL!
It has?
DDM > You're so obsessed that you post pages
DDM > upon pages of spam, regarding some
DDM > guy who has nothing to do with you.
DDM > Based solely upon the fact that he
DDM > shares the same common first and last
DDM > name as another of your targets.
G > Dave, You've got an entire FAN CLUB of people
G > who know exactly who you are and some
G > of them are actually people who matter.
DDM > Too bad you're not one of them.
Sure, Davey, I'm a member of your FAN CLUB, can't you tell?
G > David Daniel Moore AKA David Ulanowski Random
G > DOB 9/26/70
DDM > Doesn't post here.
You sure are concerned about somebody you claim isn't you!
DDM > Blow up any buildings lately, Marwan?
G > I bet the anonymous remailer community
G > will just LOVE how you attract a certain
G > kind of special attention, Dave!
DDM > Your love for blowing up buildings attracts
DDM > attention to me? Care to explain that one, Marwan?
Sporgery of your mark's relative claiming responsibility
for an airline crash?
Sporgery of your mark's foreign relative making
anti-dictator comments inside that country?
Sporgery solicitating murder of your mark's wife?
Falsely claiming that I am an Islamic extremist bomber?
Did you really think you were NOT attracting attention
to yourself or the anonymous remailer community, Dave?
Would a reallly genius hacker have to deny his real identity at all?
Director
Firemonkey <wass...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Jan 14, 4:47=A0am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What evidence?
>
>
>
>
> Message from discussion False report
Flush.
Firemonkey
Thinking is how you get yourself into trouble grag.
My posting your weak and pathetic excuses on why you would force an
unrelated little girl to undress and get into a cold shower is very
much on topic here.
You attempt to minimize your abuse of the child by citing it happened
9 years ago is noted. Just like your attempt to minimize your two
convictions for domestic violence. You tried to minimize that by
stating your wife was bi-polar.
If you have a problem with my posting this in the wrong thread I will
be happy to start some new ones, all about you.
Just keeping it real,
Firemonkey
Greegor
KBW > Roadrunner account was yanked due to his
KBW > stalking and harassment of a man he's
KBW > never met and doesn't know.
G > ""All available evidence""??
KBW > Double quotation marks still mean nothing
KBW > at all, Greg. Really.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes
History
Use of the term scare quotes appears to have arisen at some point
during the first half of the twentieth century. Occurrence of the term
in academic literature appears as early as the 1950s.[1][2]
Usage
Writers use scare quotes for a variety of reasons. When the enclosed
text is a quotation from another source, scare quotes may indicate
that the writer does not accept the usage of the phrase (or the phrase
itself)[3], that the writer feels its use is potentially ironic, or
that the writer feels it is a misnomer. This meaning may serve to
distance the writer from the quoted content.
If scare quotes are enclosing a word or phrase that does not represent
a quotation from another source they may simply serve to alert the
reader that the word or phrase is used in an unusual, special, or non-
standard way or should be understood to include caveats to the
conventional meaning.[4]
Alternatively, material in scare quotes may represent the writer's
concise (but possibly misleading) paraphrasing, characterization, or
intentional renaming of statements, concepts, or terms used by a third
party. This may be an expression of sarcasm or incredulity. Or it may
be a rhetorical technique attempting to frame a discussion in the
writer's desired terms: a circumlocution or a means of apophasis or
innuendo.
The term scare quotes may be confusing because the word scare implies
provocation, yet the term covers emotionally neutral usage as well. In
many cases an author uses scare quotes not to convey alarm, but to
signal a semantic quibble.
KBW > You may LIE and claim the use of such equates to scare quotes,
KBW > but that lie has been exposed a number of times.
G > What evidence?
KBW > Ken's lack of posting.
But Dan stopped posting a day BEFORE Ken did.
Does that prove something?
KBW > Ken's using Earthlink to send his whinefest (listserv).
KBW > The Earthlink account tracing to a location
KBW > seven miles or more from his home.
Post the header!
Greegor
DDM > Yet he seemingly can't even keep
DDM > his internet service active.
G > What are you talking about? His web site is running just fine!
DDM > His ability to post to usenet isn't.
G > On what do you base that?
KBW > The fact that he's not posting.
But what does that same thing say about Dan Sullivan?
KBW > Given that you've claimed he's addicted to Usenet
You'll never post a link to that because it's
yet another deception from Kent Wills.
KBW > (you were lying, but that's another matter),
KBW > he would need to post.
Your grand standing sometimes gives you away.
DDM > Neither, obviously, is his ability to
DDM > ghost-write your posts for you. As
DDM > a result, your posts are even more
DDM > idiotic than usual....if that's even possible.
G > Ad Hom from you, how amazing is that?
KBW > Is it an ad hom when it's 100% true?
Kent Wills on truth? ROFL.
DDM > Prospective clients have a right to know
DDM > that the guy they're hiring might suddenly
DDM > be unable to correspond with them, or
DDM > research their case, due to his internet
DDM > service randomly being cut off for his
DDM > harassment of strangers.
G > What the heck are you talking about, Dave?
DDM > Have Ken explain it to you.
DDM > Oops, he can't, his internet account
DDM > has been terminated. ROFL!
G > It has?
KBW > All available evidence supports the claim
KBW > that it has. If you have anything to offer
KBW > that counters what is available, offer it
KBW > for review.
What you're saying is that you're full
of it and you want me to fill you in?
You just can't admit you've got NOTHING!
DDM > You're so obsessed that you post pages
DDM > upon pages of spam, regarding some
DDM > guy who has nothing to do with you.
DDM > Based solely upon the fact that he
DDM > shares the same common first and last
DDM > name as another of your targets.
G > Dave, You've got an entire FAN CLUB of people
G > who know exactly who you are and some
G > of them are actually people who matter.
DDM > Too bad you're not one of them.
G > Sure, Davey, I'm a member of your FAN CLUB, can't you tell?
G > David Daniel Moore AKA David Ulanowski Random
G > DOB 9/26/70
DDM > Doesn't post here.
G > You sure are concerned about somebody you claim isn't you!
KBW > How does David's exposing of another
KBW > of your MANY drug induced lies equate
KBW > to his being concerned about another
KBW > David Moore? Please be specific.
Kent Wills stock answer B. combined with
contradicting David's own comments.
DDM > Blow up any buildings lately, Marwan?
G > I bet the anonymous remailer community
G > will just LOVE how you attract a certain
G > kind of special attention, Dave!
DDM > Your love for blowing up buildings attracts
DDM > attention to me? Care to explain that one, Marwan?
G > Sporgery of your mark's relative claiming
G > responsibility for an airline crash?
G >
G > Sporgery of your mark's foreign relative making
G > anti-dictator comments inside that country?
G >
G > Sporgery solicitating murder of your mark's wife?
G >
G > Falsely claiming that I am an Islamic extremist bomber?
KBW > David made no such claims.
KBW > Using YOUR standards, David was able
KBW > to PROVE you were adopted from
KBW > a family of Muslim terrorists.
KBW > Hey, he used your standards.
Another false dichotomy Kent?
It's textbook psychopathic reasoning.
KBW > If you think this is somehow unfair,
KBW > perhaps you should consider no
KBW > longer DEMANDING that those
KBW > standards be held to others.
Golly, Kent, You (and Dave) sure are anxious to try
to escape being so thoroughly and correctly ID'd!
Are you and Dave like blood brothers or what?
G > Did you really think you were NOT attracting attention
G > to yourself or the anonymous remailer community, Dave?
KBW > Are you so stoned that you honestly think
KBW > the PTB within any given government aren't
KBW > aware remailers exits? Really?
There is some debate on that among the
anonymous remailer community.
Apparently those eager to promote anonymous
remailers do not believe that to be the case
because they promote anonymous remailers
as a means to BYPASS government scrutiny.
G > Would a reallly genius hacker have to deny his real identity at
all?
KBW > Outside of your latest proof that some honestly
KBW > slipped out when you admitted you use and
KBW > abuse illegal drugs,
Combination of Kent Wills stock deception B and D.
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Kent routinely says opponents are
A. Drunks
B. Druggies
C. Mentally Ill
D. Already conceded to Kent's argument
E. Question was already asked and answered ( ? )
It's as if Kent is an automation that is WAY too simple.
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KBW > David's never claimed to be a hacker.
He never claimed to be a script kiddy either, but he is.
Kent Wills
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>KBW > All available evidence suggests Pangborn's
>KBW > Roadrunner account was yanked due to his
>KBW > stalking and harassment of a man he's
>KBW > never met and doesn't know.
>
>G > ""All available evidence""??
>
>KBW > Double quotation marks still mean nothing
>KBW > at all, Greg. �Really.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes
>
>History
[...]
Once again, scare quotes are SINGLE quotation marks. You use
double quotation marks. Double quotation marks have NO meaning.
Further, if you intended them to be seen as scare quotes, you
would have stated so when I first asked. You suggested that I speak
with an ESL teacher. I did so. In fact, I spoke with a few about the
matter, just to be sure.
After it was shown that your double quotation marks mean NOTHING,
you began LYING and claiming they are to be scare quotes.
Now, in your DESPERATE attempt to distract from the truth, you're
arguing that which is not in contention.
I am not denying what scare quotes mean, but instead, what they
are. Why don't you deal with the actual issue?
>
>
>KBW > You may LIE and claim the use of such equates to scare quotes,
>KBW > but that lie has been exposed a number of times.
>
>G > What evidence?
>
>KBW > Ken's lack of posting.
>
>But Dan stopped posting a day BEFORE Ken did.
>Does that prove something?
It proves that Dan has a busy, worthwhile life.
Ken is gone because he crossed the line. He suspected this would
occur, which is why he began posting his LIES about a DDoS attack on
his ISP and Web Host (which are two separate things, contrary to your
dishonest claim).
>
>KBW > Ken's using Earthlink to send his whinefest (listserv).
>KBW > The Earthlink account tracing to a location
>KBW > seven miles or more from his home.
>
>Post the header!
Awww... Won't Ken allow you to join his listserv?
That must really upset you. I've provided more than enough
evidence (mostly quotes from his listserv) to show I get the E-mails.
Ken's also acknowledged that I get the from an E-mail account that
uses my real name.
Here I sit, getting the E-mails and you can't.
Why won't he allow you to join?
BTW, nice try to get my real name. 10 out of 10 for the effort.
negative several million for thinking your ruse would work.
--a true story
Me: Hey, he used your standards.
Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson: It's textbook psychopathic
reasoning.
Greg admitting his standards are psychopathic.
freedom
>DDM > Ken claims to be a legal professional.
>DDM > Yet he seemingly can't even keep
>DDM > his internet service active.
>
>G > What are you talking about? His web site is running just fine!
>
>DDM > His ability to post to usenet isn't.
>
>G > On what do you base that?
>
>KBW > The fact that he's not posting.
>
>But what does that same thing say about Dan Sullivan?
Probably that he has a life outside of usenet.
Ken can't honestly say the same. He's posted nearly every day for over a
decade.
Maybe he finally drank himself to death?
Yeah, you're right, there sure is a lot of "nothing" coming into this group=
from the Tampa, Florida area these days. BWAHAHAHAHA!
Now you're admitting to being a psychopath?
>
>KBW > If you think this is somehow unfair,
>KBW > perhaps you should consider no
>KBW > longer DEMANDING that those
>KBW > standards be held to others.
>
>Golly, Kent, You (and Dave) sure are anxious to try
>to escape being so thoroughly and correctly ID'd!
No need to "escape" anything. Ken's been trying to ID me for years....and
he still isn't even looking in the right part of the country. ROFLMAO!
>
>Are you and Dave like blood brothers or what?
>
>G > Did you really think you were NOT attracting attention
>G > to yourself or the anonymous remailer community, Dave?
>
>KBW > Are you so stoned that you honestly think
>KBW > the PTB within any given government aren't
>KBW > aware remailers exits? Really?
>
>There is some debate on that among the
>anonymous remailer community.
>
>Apparently those eager to promote anonymous
>remailers do not believe that to be the case
>because they promote anonymous remailers
>as a means to BYPASS government scrutiny.
In my case, I just use them so that Ken and his puppet (you) can't mailbomb=
my ISP with silly complaints, nor ascertain my geographical location. And
it works like a charm, as the two of you still devoutly believe that I'm
some guy in Illinois. So much so, in fact, that your master Ken LOST HIS
INTERNET ACCESS for harassing the wrong guy.
>
>G > Would a reallly genius hacker have to deny his real identity at
>all?
>
>KBW > Outside of your latest proof that some honestly
>KBW > slipped out when you admitted you use and
>KBW > abuse illegal drugs,
>
>Combination of Kent Wills stock deception B and D.
>
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>Kent routinely says opponents are
>A. Drunks
>B. Druggies
>C. Mentally Ill
>D. Already conceded to Kent's argument
>E. Question was already asked and answered ( ? )
And your tactics:
A. Claim that your victim has been convicted of some sort of crime, using
some sort of obscure references to anyone you can find with a similar name,=
even if they obviously aren't the same person
B. Repeat the same lies over and over, often in response to completely
unrelated threads
C. Claim that your victim lives with their parents, who in most cases turn=
out to be deceased
D. Blurt out one or two word responses (but only when Ken is extremely
incommunicado)
E. Claim that everyone you're arguing with are the same person (such as
when you claimed that Kent and Dan were the same person, etc.)
>
>It's as if Kent is an automation that is WAY too simple.
ROFL oh how rich this is, coming from you! You do little more than post
the same canned responses, which Ken wrote for you months ago, over and
over. Oblivious to the fact that they were all disproven soon after Ken
first posted them.
Greegor
KBW > The fact that he's not posting.
G > But what does that same thing say about Dan Sullivan?
KBW > That Dan's life is far busier than yours, or mine.
G > Dan had a stroke on his napper crapper.
DDM > Ken can't honestly say the same.
DDM > He's posted nearly every day for over a decade.
DDM > Maybe he finally drank himself to death?
Dan is the recovered alcoholic, Ken and I never did drink.
KBW > Unlikely. He's still able to send E-Mails via his ateam
address.
KBW > All available evidence supports the claim
KBW > that it has. If you have anything to offer
KBW > that counters what is available, offer it
KBW > for review.
G > What you're saying is that you're full
G > of it and you want me to fill you in?
G > You just can't admit you've got NOTHING!
DDM > Yeah, you're right, there sure is a lot of
DDM > "nothing" coming into this group from the
DDM > Tampa, Florida area these days. BWAHAHAHAHA!
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DDM > WE SENT 10000 EMAILS TO EVERY ROADRUNNER
DDM > CUSTOMER IN THE GREATER TAMPA AREA,
DDM > CAUSEING A TEMPORARY OUTAGE. WE
DDM > EXPLAINED THAT THIS WOULD CONTINUE TO
DDM > HAPPEN AS LONG AS KEN REMAINED A CUSTOMER.
DDM > THEY OPTED TO TERMINATE HIS ACCOUNT.
DDM > LET THIS SERVE AS A WARNING THAT ANY ISP
DDM > WHO HARBOURS KEN WILL MEET THE SAME FATE.
David Daniel Moore AKA David Ulanowski Random
DOB 9/26/70 Birth Mother Judith Ulanowski
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AREA, CAUSEING A TEMPORARY OUTAGE. WE EXPLAINED THAT THIS WOULD
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SAME FATE.
Lesson From Austria: Would You Vote For Hitler?
The Testimony of Kitty Werthman
Mrs. Werthman saw Hitler’s rise to power in pre-war Austria. He did
not conquer by force. He was eagerly welcomed by the people who voted
him into office because the Nazis promised free health care,
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nursery care, equal rights for women, gun control, and other
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http://www.eagleforum.org/misc/states/articles/2003/werthmann-3-11-03.shtml
Kitty Werthmann
For the Argus Leader
published: 3/11/2003
Kitty Werthmann, 77, of Pierre, is president of the South Dakota Eagle
Forum. She lobbies the state Legislature on family issues. She has
lived in the United States since 1950 and has been a U.S. citizen
since 1962.
'It dawned on me. It's freedom'
Kitty Werthmann tells this story of her arrival in the United States:
"I was processed in New York. I stayed in a hotel the first night, and
the next morning asked the concierge for directions to the nearest
police station. I asked if it was in walking distance, and it was.
"I walked in and told the desk sergeant I wanted to register. He
said,'What are you talking about?' I said I wanted to register, so
they'd know where I was. How would they find me if I broke the law? He
said don't worry, they'd find me. And then he said, 'Lady, get the
hell out of here.'
"I walked outside and it was a January day with a blue sky.
"I looked up and said, 'What kind of country is this?' All of a sudden
it dawned on me. It's freedom."
Greegor
Freedom to Dictatorship in 5 years
By Mrs. Kitty Werthmann
Times: Doors open at 6 pm
Speaking from 7 pm - 10 pm
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From her own experience, Mrs. Kitty Werthmann will help you see we are
walking the same path as the Nazi’s. She was 12 years old living in
Austria. At that time, there was order, prayer and pictures of Jesus.
Hitler took over and all that was removed! Unemployment rose to 35%,
bank loans rose to 25%, unions called strikes, all this with 98% of
the people claiming to be Catholic!
Soon there was massive welfare. Cries went out for equal rights for
women. Socialism took women out of the home, raising the children, and
into the
factories. They took the children away from the family and raised them
by
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they were killed.
Hear her tell how the U.S. is going the same way!
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But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet,
and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person
from among them,
he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the
watchman's hand.
Ezekiel 33:6