It Can Happen Here: Ze'ev Sternhell Warnings on the Growth of Israeli Fascism
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It Can Happen Here
By URI AVNERY
The German name Sternhell means bright as the stars. The name fits:
the positions of Professor Ze'ev Sternhell indeed stand out sharply
against the darkness of the sky. He warns against Israeli fascism.
This week, Israeli fascists laid a pipe-bomb at the entrance of his
apartment and he was lightly injured.
The choice of victim seems surprising at first. But the perpetrators
knew what they were doing.
They did not attack the activists who demonstrate every week against
the Separation Wall in Bil'in and Na'alin. They did not attack the
leftists who mobilize every year - this year, too - to help the
Palestinians pick their olives near the most dangerous settlements.
They did not attack the "Women in Black" who demonstrate every Friday,
or the women of "Machsom Watch", who keep an eye on events at the army
checkpoints. They attacked a person whose entire activity is in the
academic field.
The struggles on the ground are essential. But their main purpose is
to influence public opinion. That is the main battlefield, and there
the man of letters has an important part to play.
On this battlefield, two visions confront each other, two visions that
are as far apart as the West is from the East. On the one side: An
enlightened Israel, modern, secular, liberal and democratic, living in
peace and partnership with Palestine as an integral part of the
region. On the other side: a fanatical Israel, religious, fascist, cut
off from the region and civilized humanity, a people that "dwells
alone and shall not be reckoned among the nations" (Numbers, 23:9),
where "the sword will devour for ever" (2 Samuel 2:26).
Ze'ev Sternhell is one of the outstanding guides of the enlightened
vision. His positions are bright as the stars, resolute and incisive.
Not a surprising target for the Neo-Nazi pipe-dreamers and pipe-
bombers.
* * *
THE FIELD of Sternhell's academic expertise is the origins of Fascism,
a subject that has occupied me all my life. The reasons for our
interest are similar: Nazism left an indelible stamp on our childhood
and fate. As a child, I witnessed the rise of Nazism in Germany. As a
child, Sternhell saw it in Poland, when, after the death of his
father, he lost his mother and sister in the Holocaust.
"He who has been scalded by boiling water is cautious even with cold
water," a Hebrew adage goes. Those who experienced Fascism bursting
into their lives in childhood are sensitive to the slightest symptom
of the outbreak of this disease. In 1961 I wrote a book called "The
Swastika" (which exists only in Hebrew), in which I tried to crack the
code of the roots of Nazism. At the end of the book I posed the
question: Can it happen here? My unequivocal answer was: Yes, indeed.
Because of this, I am sensitive to every warning sign in our society.
As a journalist and magazine editor, I shone the searchlight on all
such signs. As a political activist, I fought against them in the
Knesset and in the street.
Sternhell, on his part, after a military career, is a pure academic.
He uses the instruments of academia: research, teaching and
publication. He strives for exact definitions, without seeking
popularity or avoiding provocation. In one of his articles years ago
he asserted that the violent response of the Palestinians to the
settlements is quite natural. By this he attracted the lasting wrath
of the settlers and the extreme Right, which made an effort to prevent
him from receiving the Israel Prize, Israel's highest distinction.
Now the pipe-bombs are speaking.
* * *
WHO LAID the bomb? A lone individual? A group? A new underground? The
terrorists from the settlements? That's for the police and the Shin-
Bet to find out.
From the public point of view, the matter is much more simple: it is
quite clear in which flowerbed these poisonous weeds grow, which
ideology serves as fertilizer, and who is spreading it.
Israeli Fascism is alive and kicking. It is growing in the flowerbed
that produced the various religious-nationalist underground groups of
the past: the group that tried to bomb the Muslim shrines on the
Temple Mount, the underground that tried to assassinate the
Palestinian mayors, the "Kach" gang, the perpetrator of the Hebron
massacre Baruch Goldstein, the murderer of peace activist Emil
Gruenzweig, the murderer of Yitzhak Rabin and all the underground
groups that were uncovered at an early stage before their deeds could
bring them to public notice.
These acts cannot simply be attributed to individuals or "rogue
groups". There exists a definite fascist fringe at the margin of
Israel's political society. Its ideology is religious-nationalist, and
its spiritual leaders are mostly "Rabbis", who formulate its world
view and the practical application. These Jewish idolaters do not work
in secret. On the contrary, they offer their wares on the open market.
This sector is concentrated in the "ideological" settlements. That
does not mean that all settlers are fascists. But most fascists are
settlers. They are concentrated in certain well-known settlements. By
accident or not by accident, all these settlements are located in the
heart of the West Bank, beyond the Separation Wall. The first of
these, in the Hebron area, were installed with the help of "leftist"
leader Yigal Allon, and in the Nablus area by "leftist" leader Shimon
Peres.
* * *
DURING THE last months, there has been a marked increase in the number
of incidents in which settlers attack Palestinians, soldiers,
policemen and "leftists".
These acts are committed openly, in order to terrorize and deter.
Settlers riot in the Palestinian villages whose lands they covet, or
for revenge. These are "pogroms" in the classical sense of the term:
riots by an armed mob intoxicated with hatred against helpless people,
while the police and the army look on. The Pogromchiks destroy, injure
and kill. These days it is happening more and more frequently.
In the few cases when the army or the police intervene, they do not
turn on the settlers, but on the Israeli peace activists who come to
help the beleaguered Palestinian farmers. The spokesmen of the
Security Establishment and the commentators try to sound balanced and
speak about "rioters from the Left and the Right". That is a false
even handedness, which itself belongs to the Fascist arsenal of
tricks.
The Settlers' pogroms are violent by nature, both in thought and deed,
while the peace activists are non-violent on principle. If there is
violence, it comes from the army and the border police, the pretext
being that local boys have been throwing stones. What is not mentioned
is that the well-protected soldiers and border policemen pursue the
Palestinian demonstrators into the alleys of their villages.
The "boldness" of the extreme right-wing thugs - or "rightist
activists" as the media insist on calling them courteously - is
increasing by the day. They do whatever they want, knowing full well
that no harm will befall them. The police do not interfere, since
anyhow the courts will not mete out meaningful punishment.
* * *
ANYBODY WHO knows the history of Nazism is familiar with the shameful
role played by the courts and the other law-enforcement agencies in
the German republic vis-à-vis the law-breakers whose declared purpose
was to put an end to the democratic system. The judges imposed
ludicrously light penalties on Nazi rioters, whom they considered
"misguided patriots", while treating Communist rioters as foreign
agents and traitors.
Now we are experiencing this phenomenon here. The law-breaking
settlers get symbolic sentences, while Palestinians who are accused of
much lesser offenses get harsh penalties. Nowadays, even a settler who
sets his dog on a company commander goes free, as does a settler who
breaks the bones of a battalion chief.
The army's internal justice system can only be called monstrous: the
commander who held up a bleeding woman in labor at a checkpoint
causing the death of the child, was punished with two weeks detention.
The commander who told a soldier to shoot a handcuffed Palestinian
prisoner in the leg was "transferred", meaning that this war criminal
can serve in another unit.
* * *
DOES THE increase in the number and severity of such incidents testify
to the increasing power of Israeli Fascism? At first sight, one might
get this impression.
However, on second thought I think that the opposite is true.
The fanatical settlers know that they have lost the support of public
opinion in Israel, and that ordinary people consider them dangerous
thugs. Their actions, as seen on television, arouse distaste, even
abhorrence. The vision of "All of Eretz-Israel" has not only lost
altitude - it has crashed on the ground of reality. The Zealots are
acting out of weakness and frustration.
Much as the Nazis hated the German republic, these fanatics are
starting to hate the State of Israel. And with good reason. They see
that they have no place in a national consensus that is solidifying
around the concept of "Two States for Two peoples", whether it is
being accepted for negative reasons, such as demographic fears or the
burdens of occupation, or for positive reasons, such as the hope for
peace and prosperity after the withdrawal from the occupied
territories.
The discussion about the borders is still going on, but the majority
sees the Separation Wall as the future border. (As we made clear right
from the beginning, the wall was not really being constructed in order
to keep out Palestinian suicide bombers, as was claimed, but as a
future border between the two states.)
The Israeli establishment wants to annex the lands between the wall
and the Green Line, and is prepared to give the Palestinians Israeli
areas in return. What does this tell the settlers?
Most settlers live in settlements near the Green Line, which according
to this concept will be joined to Israel. These are, not by accident,
the non-ideological "lifestyle" settlers, those who were looking for
cheap apartments and "quality of life" at a short distance from Tel-
Aviv or Jerusalem. These settlers will, probably, agree in the end to
any peace that leaves them in Israel.
The great majority of the extreme settlers, those motivated by a
religious-Fascist ideology, live in the small settlements east of the
wall, which must be dismantled when peace comes. This is a small
minority even among the settlers, supported by a radical minority on
the extreme right. That is where violent Israeli Fascism is growing.
* * *
ONCE UPON a time it seemed that a Red Line ran parallel to the Green
Line - that nationalist-religious terrorism would hurt "only"
Palestinians, not Israelis. Even Rabbi Meir Kahane, a born fascist,
said so.
That illusion was shattered with the murder of Yitzhak Rabin. Israeli
Fascism was found to be like any other classical Fascism, which
thunders against the "foreign enemy" but directs its terrorism against
the "enemy within". The pipe-bomb at the entrance of Sternhell's home
must turn on all the red lights, as it joins the murder of Emil
Gruenzweig and the threats on the lives of other conspicuous peace
activists.
The decisive battle, the battle for Israel, is entering a new phase -
much more violent, much more dangerous. But more serious than any
danger to individuals is the danger to Israeli society as a whole.
Especially if it does not mobilize all its resources - government,
police, Security Service, the law, the courts, the media and the
educational system - for an all out battle against this danger.
I do not believe that Fascism will win in our society. I believe in
the strength of Israel democracy. But if I am pushed into a corner and
asked: "Can it happen here?" I am bound to answer: "Yes, it can."
Frank Arthur
"peace.seeker.27" <vesuvian.d...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Ze'ev Sternhell Warnings on the Growth of Israeli Fascism
It Can Happen Here
By URI AVNERY
The German name Sternhell means bright as the stars. The name fits:
the positions of Professor Ze'ev Sternhell indeed stand out sharply
against the darkness of the sky. He warns against Israeli fascism.
This week, Israeli fascists laid a pipe-bomb at the entrance of his
apartment and he was lightly injured.
How exactly do you know it was "Israeli fascists" who committed the
crime?
Or is your anti Israeli mind working overtime?
Ariadne
> "peace.seeker.27" <vesuvian.doppelga...@lycos.com> wrote in message
Alas, that poster is not alone.
[The following is copyright material from
Batya at Shiloh Musings]
http://shilohmusings.blogspot.com/
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Before We Choke On The Tar and Feathers
Let's sue them!
I'm no faux christian, no serving other cheeks for me! I'm sick and
tired of being maligned--that's being lied about!
Now long after the name "Arlosoroff" has meant nothing to Israelis,
and the Rabin Roads are potholed, the media is full of the Sternhell
festival, to besmirch the name of anyone who isn't a follower/
supporter of the extreme Left. Of course, those who say: "Ouch" are
condemned.
That Prof. Sternhell has a hell of a way with words, and he has been
given more time in the Israeli media than the Moshiach would be given
and the Opposition Leader is given. His incitement against all Jews in
Judea and Samaria predate his recent attack. Sternhell blames us and
accuses us all of endangering the State of Israel and recommends tough
measures against us. He has no proof; we just don't agree with his
philosophy. That doesn't make us criminals. His words are the illegal
ones, and I'm glad that The Land of Israel Task Force is suing him.
Another prominent Israeli who should be sued is Majr-Gen Gadi Shamni.
Thanks to Hadassa DeYoung for sending me the article. Shamni's
interview with the BBC is also vicious incitement against the Jews in
Judea and Samaria.
Try as they may, the tar and feathers won't stick to me and my
neighbors. Sternhell, Shamni, the Israeli media, politicians and
fellow travelers will end up choking on the tar and feathers.
Shabbat Shalom u'Mevorach
May you have a peaceful and blessed Shabbat
Bert Hyman
@bignews8.bellsouth.net:
> How exactly do you know it was "Israeli fascists" who committed the
> crime?
You need to apply the anti-semite syllogism:
A) I don't like this
B) I don't like Jews
Therefore: This is about Jews
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | be...@iphouse.com
Eli Grubman
>A...@Arthurian.com (Frank Arthur) wrote in news:kNuFk.37240$IB6.29627
>@bignews8.bellsouth.net:
>
>> How exactly do you know it was "Israeli fascists" who committed the
>> crime?
>
>You need to apply the anti-semite syllogism:
>
>A) I don't like this
>B) I don't like Jews
>
>Therefore: This is about Jews
What the fuck do you know about syllogisms, hymen?
Eli
peace.seeker.27
The Geneva Conventions; specifically, it is illegal to build
settlements on occupied land.
Ariadne
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
What are you talking about?
_____________________________________________________
Israeli Settlements and International Law Legal Position Paper May
2001
Information Division, Israel Foreign Ministry - Jerusalem
The Historical Context
Jewish settlement in West Bank and Gaza Strip territory has existed
from time immemorial and was expressly recognised as legitimate in the
Mandate for Palestine adopted by the League of Nations, which provided
for the establishment of a Jewish state in the Jewish people's ancient
homeland. Indeed, Article 6 of the Mandate provided as follows:
"The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and
position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall
facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall
encourage, in cooperation with the Jewish Agency referred to in
Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands
not required for public use".
Some Jewish settlements, such as in Hebron, existed throughout the
centuries of Ottoman rule, while settlements such as Neve Ya'acov,
north of Jerusalem, the Gush Etzion bloc in Judea and Samaria, the
communities north of the Dead Sea and Kfar Darom in the Gaza region,
were established under British Mandatory administration prior to the
establishment of the State of Israel. To be sure, many Israeli
settlements have been established on sites which were home to Jewish
communities in previous generations, in an expression of the Jewish
people's deep historic and religious connection with the land.
For more than a thousand years, the only administration which has
prohibited Jewish settlement was the Jordanian occupation
administration, which during the nineteen years of its rule
(1948-1967) declared the sale of land to Jews a capital offense. The
right of Jews to establish homes in these areas, and the legal titles
to the land which had been acquired, could not be legally invalidated
by the Jordanian or Egyptian occupation which resulted from their
armed invasion of Israel in 1948, and such rights and titles remain
valid to this day.
International Humanitarian Law in the West Bank and Gaza Strip
International humanitarian law prohibits the forcible transfer of
segments of the population of a state to the territory of another
state which it has occupied as a result of the resort to armed force.
This principle, which is reflected in Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva
Convention, was drafted immediately following the Second World War. As
International Red Cross' authoritative commentary to the Convention
confirms, the principle was intended to protect the local population
from displacement, including endangering its separate existence as a
race, as occurred with respect to the forced population transfers in
Czechoslovakia, Poland and Hungary before and during the war. This is
clearly not the case with regard to the West Bank and Gaza.
The attempt to present Israeli settlements as a violation of this
principle is clearly untenable. As Professor Eugene Rostow, former
Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs has written: "the
Jewish right of settlement in the area is equivalent in every way to
the right of the local population to live there" (AJIL, 1990, vol. 84,
p.72).
The provisions of the Geneva Convention regarding forced population
transfer to occupied sovereign territory cannot be viewed as
prohibiting the voluntary return of individuals to the towns and
villages from which they, or their ancestors, had been ousted. Nor
does it prohibit the movement of individuals to land which was not
under the legitimate sovereignty of any state and which is not subject
to private ownership. In this regard, Israeli settlements have been
established only after an exhaustive investigation process, under the
supervision of the Supreme Court of Israel, designed to ensure that no
communities are established on private Arab land.
It should be emphasised that the movement of individuals to the
territory is entirely voluntary, while the settlements themselves are
not intended to displace Arab inhabitants, nor do they do so in
practice.
Repeated charges regarding the illegality of Israeli settlements must
therefore be regarded as politically motivated, without foundation in
international law. Similarly, as Israeli settlements cannot be
considered illegal, they cannot constitute a "grave violation" of the
Geneva Convention, and hence any claim that they constitute a "war
crime" is without any legal basis. Such political charges cannot
justify in any way Palestinian acts of terrorism and violence against
innocent Israelis.
Politically, the West Bank and Gaza Strip is best regarded as
territory over which there are competing claims which should be
resolved in peace process negotiations. Israel has valid claims to
title in this territory based not only on its historic and religious
connection to the land, and its recognized security needs, but also on
the fact that the territory was not under the sovereignty of any state
and came under Israeli control in a war of self-defense, imposed upon
Israel. At the same time, Israel recognizes that the Palestinians also
entertain legitimate claims to the area. Indeed, the very fact that
the parties have agreed to conduct negotiations on settlements
indicated that they envisage a compromise on this issue.
Israeli-Palestinian Agreements
The agreements reached between Israel and the Palestinians contain no
prohibition whatsoever on the building or expansion of settlements. On
the contrary, it is specifically provided that the issue of
settlements is reserved for permanent status negotiations, which are
to take place in the concluding stage of the peace talks. Indeed, the
parties expressly agreed that the Palestinian Authority has no
jurisdiction or control over settlements or Israelis, pending the
conclusion of a permanent status agreement.
It has been charged that the prohibition on unilateral steps which
alter the "status" of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, which is contained
in the Interim Agreement and in subsequent agreements between the
parties, implies a ban on settlement activity. This position is
disingenuous. The building of homes has no effect on the status of the
area. The prohibition on unilateral measures was agreed upon in order
to ensure that neither side take steps to change the legal status of
this territory (such as by annexation or unilateral declaration of
statehood), pending the outcome of permanent status negotiations. Were
this prohibition to be applied to building, it would lead to the
ridiculous interpretation that neither side is permitted to build
homes to accommodate for the needs of their respective communities.
It is important to note, that in the spirit of compromise and in an
attempt to take constructive confidence building measures in the peace
process, successive Israeli governments have expressly recognized the
need for territorial compromise in West Bank and Gaza Strip territory
and have voluntary adopted a freeze on the building of new
settlements. In this regard, the present National Unity Government,
under Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, has officially declared that it
will not build any new settlements, while remaining committed to the
basic needs of the existing settlement communities (Government of
Israel, Policy Guidelines, March 2001).
_______________________________________
(Note that the Arabs have not adhered to one single
clause of any agreements.)
Poor Eli Grabmen is a Real Psychopath! LOL
What the fuck do you know about ANYTHING (except the sick contents of your
sick, psychopathic mind), dumb Grabmen?
Doctor Panta
--
Psychopath Grabmen glued to his computer today again as from 06:16 a.m.
Watch the poor psycho with no life AT ALL making a complete ass of himself,
AGAIN, for the next FOURTEEN to TWENTY HOURS at a stretch! ROTFLOL
American Eagle
Imaginary God's chosen People don't have to abide by any rules
whatsoever. We would be doing them a favor by nuking them into their
imaginary heaven for these crimes.
docremington
peace.seeker.27 wrote:
> > > "peace.seeker.27" <vesuvian.doppelga...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> > >news:3324db55-34a2-4fa3...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > > Ze'ev Sternhell Warnings on the Growth of Israeli Fascism
> > > It Can Happen Here
> > > By URI AVNERY
>
He's a deranged leftist idiot.
> The Geneva Conventions; specifically, it is illegal to build
> settlements on occupied land.
It's worth to remind the public of that famous ICJ ruling:
A.) The ICJ ruled that, it had jurisdiction over the case, but it
involved only a dispute between Israel and the UN, rather than a
dispute between Israel and palisimians.
B.) The ICJ ruled that, provisions of the international law regarding
israeli right of self-defense are inapplicable, since there is no
state involved other than Israel.
C.) The ICJ ruled that the West Bank is an occupied territory.
D.) Thus, the ICJ holds that, there exists an armed conflict, and that
territories are occupied territories of another state; and at the same
time the ICJ asserts that, Israel has no right to defend itself,
because there is no other state involved.
There it goes - a virtual-reality occupation, making real money for
palisimian con-artists, terrorist gangster lunatics and their UN
fellow-travelers.
±DoügßÇ
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>
> - Show quoted text -
What are you talking about?
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Muslime pigs spout any lies they can in hopes one of them
will stick w/some dimwit, somewhere on usenet.
B.H. Cramer
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> "Ariadne" <ariad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9a199c11-c23c-4719...@h60g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On 3 Oct, 22:00, "peace.seeker.27" <vesuvian.doppelga...@lycos.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> The Geneva Conventions; specifically, it is illegal to build
>> settlements on occupied land.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> What are you talking about?
The illegality of building settlements on occupied land. The United Nations
has also said it it illegal.
It is also illegal to have an occupying military force on occupied lands.
What it boils down to duggieboi, is that the yids couldn't give a flying
fuck for International law or Conventions.
docremington
peace.seeker.27 wrote:
> Ze'ev Sternhell Warnings on the Growth of Israeli Fascism
> It Can Happen Here
> By URI AVNERY
>
Avnery trumpets an alarm for each and every right-wing-settler
paranoid conspiracy theory, passing it along as an established fact.
He's an accomplished radical leftista idiot.
> The German name Sternhell means bright as the stars. The name fits:
> the positions of Professor Ze'ev Sternhell indeed stand out sharply
> against the darkness of the sky.
Indeed, idiots can and do shine.
> He warns against Israeli fascism.
Funny, that creep, advocating fascism of the left, drools about
fascism. He's the creep, who advised palisimians attack jewish
communities in the J&S, the so-called West Bank. A fascist, calling
others fascists.
> This week, Israeli fascists laid a pipe-bomb at the entrance of his
> apartment and he was lightly injured.
Well, as I mentioned above, Avnery trumpets an alarm for each and
every ... . While anyone with half a brain understood that, it was a
provocation, aimed at turning the public opinion against the so-called
settlers to make possible future evacuations easier.
> They did not attack the activists who demonstrate every week against
> the Separation Wall in Bil'in and Na'alin.
Why, they did kick some leftist-fascist butt there recently, with the
latter skedaddling like goats.
> They did not attack the
> leftists who mobilize every year - this year, too - to help the
> Palestinians pick their olives near the most dangerous settlements.
Because the morons generally behave, harming only their vocal cords.
Palisimians enjoy free labor and laugh at them behind their backs.
> They did not attack the "Women in Black" who demonstrate every Friday,
They have a special "lady" in charge of keeping payroll paperwork,
milling behind those "in black", earning some extra cash to their
pensions. Fresh air and, since they're standing, less hemorrhoids.
> or the women of "Machsom Watch", who keep an eye on events at the army
> checkpoints.
Headed by Olmert's dumb wife and their lesbian daughter. Leftista,
dumb and lesbian, very progressive.
> They attacked a person whose entire activity is in the
> academic field.
That fascist has a long history of radicalism, advising palisimians
attack jewish communities in J & S, calling everyone, who's not a
leftie, a fascist, admiring and marketing a soviet-style centralized
planning of israeli economy and society. He's an accomplished leftie
socialist fascist.
> ...
> Ze'ev Sternhell is one of the outstanding guides of the enlightened
> vision. His positions are bright as the stars, resolute and incisive.
> Not a surprising target for the Neo-Nazi pipe-dreamers and pipe-
> bombers.
For giggles, why doesn't that village idiot Avnery call them
"activists"?
Well, enough of this doctor Goebbels..
B.H. Cramer
"docremington" <docrem...@safe-mail.net> wrote in message
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>
> peace.seeker.27 wrote:
>> Ze'ev Sternhell Warnings on the Growth of Israeli Fascism
>> It Can Happen Here
>> By URI AVNERY
>>
>
>
> Avnery trumpets an alarm for each and every right-wing-settler
> paranoid conspiracy theory, passing it along as an established fact.
> He's an accomplished radical leftista idiot.
>
>> The German name Sternhell means bright as the stars. The name fits:
>> the positions of Professor Ze'ev Sternhell indeed stand out sharply
>> against the darkness of the sky.
>
> Indeed, idiots can and do shine.
>
>> He warns against Israeli fascism.
>
> Funny, that creep, advocating fascism of the left, drools about
> fascism. He's the creep, who advised palisimians attack jewish
> communities in the J&S, the so-called West Bank. A fascist, calling
> others fascists.
>
>> This week, Israeli fascists laid a pipe-bomb at the entrance of his
>> apartment and he was lightly injured.
>
> Well, as I mentioned above, Avnery trumpets an alarm for each and
> every ... . While anyone with half a brain understood that, it was a
> provocation, aimed at turning the public opinion against the so-called
> settlers to make possible future evacuations easier.
Surely not. The yids wouldn't stoop to such a low act? Would they?
NoSpamAtAll
B.H. Cramer <benj...@yourservice.com> wrote:
[...]
Why did you do this, aussie-boi?
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/auspac/07/31/australia.woomera/
"CANBERRA, Australia (CNN) -- A United Nations human rights envoy
has slammed conditions in Australia's Woomera detention camp, saying
the situation there in many cases was 'inhuman and degrading'".
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/oct2001/refu-o13.shtml
"Australian navy fires on refugee boat".
Australia's culpability in East Timor's genocide
------------------------------------------------
http://www.pcug.org.au/~wildwood/earlyviva.htm
"Australian governments all sought to influence the destiny of East
Timor. This destiny became one of the longest ongoing acts of genocide
since the European Holocaust of the Second World War. I am reminded of
the French Vichy Government of that war which supplied and organised
the freight train convoys that carried persecuted Jews to the Nazi
ovens. Canberra's warts-and-all allegiance with Jakarta; the almost $2
billion in bilateral aid; the million of dollars in military gifts,
defence training and defence co-operation; and the political lobbying
in the international arena for Jakarta's position, all helped to
create a similar cattlewagon, transporting the East Timorese to their
diabolical fate." Jim Aubrey, editor, 'Free East Timor: Australia's
culpability in East Timor's genocide'.
peace.seeker.27
> Israeli Settlements and International Law Legal Position Paper May
> 2001
> Information Division, Israel Foreign Ministry - Jerusalem
>
> The Historical Context
>
> Jewish settlement in West Bank and Gaza Strip territory has existed
> from time immemorial and was expressly recognised as legitimate in the
> Mandate for Palestine adopted by the League of Nations, which provided
> for the establishment of a Jewish state in the Jewish people's ancient
> homeland. Indeed, Article 6 of the Mandate provided as follows:
> "The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and
> position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall
> facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall
> encourage, in cooperation with the Jewish Agency referred to in
> Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands
> not required for public use".
The League of Nations no longer exists, and previous
decisions of the League regarding Palestine have been
superceded by the U.N. Partition resolution of 1947. That
flawed attempt to solve the problem in Palestine has
instead resulted in 60 years of often bloody conflict. The
Partition resolution ignored the U.N.'s own charter by
denying the people of Palestine the right to decide their
own future through a democratic vote.
[snip]
> It should be emphasised that the movement of individuals to the
> territory is entirely voluntary, while the settlements themselves are
> not intended to displace Arab inhabitants, nor do they do so in
> practice.
Huh? Many Israeli settlements are built on stolen land,
and any goyem on that land are obviously displaced,
since Israeli settlements are Jewish-only.
> Politically, the West Bank and Gaza Strip is best regarded as
> territory over which there are competing claims which should be
> resolved in peace process negotiations. Israel has valid claims to
> title in this territory based not only on its historic and religious
> connection to the land, and its recognized security needs, but also on
> the fact that the territory was not under the sovereignty of any state
> and came under Israeli control in a war of self-defense, imposed upon
> Israel.
False. The 1948 war was a war of Israeli expansionism,
fought mainly on land which the U.N. partition resolution
had designated for the Palestinian state. If the Partition
resolution was the legal basis for the Israeli state, then it
also created a legal basis for a Palestinian state. That
legal basis did not vanish by the illegal occupation by
Israeli, Jordanian, and Egyptian forces. Therefore,
settlements on territory designated by the U.N. for the
Palestinian state are illegal.
> At the same time, Israel recognizes that the Palestinians also
> entertain legitimate claims to the area. Indeed, the very fact that
> the parties have agreed to conduct negotiations on settlements
> indicated that they envisage a compromise on this issue.
... which may never come. In 1949, during negotiations
in Switzerland, Israel "agreed in principle" to allow
Palestinian refugees to return to Israel, which was a
requirement for Israel to become a member of the U.N.
Immediately after the vote to allow Israel into the U.N.,
Israel reversed its previous agreement regarding the
refugees. Every year, the U.N. declares that the
Palestinian refugees have a right to return to their
homes, and every year, Israel ignores the U.N.
> Israeli-Palestinian Agreements
>
> The agreements reached between Israel and the Palestinians contain no
> prohibition whatsoever on the building or expansion of settlements. On
> the contrary, it is specifically provided that the issue of
> settlements is reserved for permanent status negotiations, which are
> to take place in the concluding stage of the peace talks. Indeed, the
> parties expressly agreed that the Palestinian Authority has no
> jurisdiction or control over settlements or Israelis, pending the
> conclusion of a permanent status agreement.
>
> It has been charged that the prohibition on unilateral steps which
> alter the "status" of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, which is contained
> in the Interim Agreement and in subsequent agreements between the
> parties, implies a ban on settlement activity. This position is
> disingenuous. The building of homes has no effect on the status of the
> area.
False.
> The prohibition on unilateral measures was agreed upon in order
> to ensure that neither side take steps to change the legal status of
> this territory (such as by annexation or unilateral declaration of
> statehood), pending the outcome of permanent status negotiations. Were
> this prohibition to be applied to building, it would lead to the
> ridiculous interpretation that neither side is permitted to build
> homes to accommodate for the needs of their respective communities.
But this is in fact the case for the Palestinians. In order
to build anywhere in Israel or the occupied territories,
authorization is required from the Israeli government
not only to build a new home, but to make an addition
to an existing home. Israel denies almost all Arab
requests of this nature, and demolishes structures
without a permit.
> It is important to note, that in the spirit of compromise and in an
> attempt to take constructive confidence building measures in the peace
> process, successive Israeli governments have expressly recognized the
> need for territorial compromise in West Bank and Gaza Strip territory
> and have voluntary adopted a freeze on the building of new
> settlements.
Construction of additional housing in the
occupied territories is occurring right now,
and the construction of thousands of
additional units of housing have been
announced by the Israeli government.
New settlements by extremist settlers
appear all the time, often on land owned
by Arabs. Israel has been stealing Arab
land since 1948 without compensation.
Israel has ignored repeated requests
by the U.S. to halt building additional
housing in the occupied territories,
most recently a request by U.S.
Secretary of State Rice.
> In this regard, the present National Unity Government,
> under Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, has officially declared that it
> will not build any new settlements, while remaining committed to the
> basic needs of the existing settlement communities (Government of
> Israel, Policy Guidelines, March 2001).
Has Sharon come out of his coma and
resumed his duties as Prime Minister?
> (Note that the Arabs have not adhered to one single
> clause of any agreements.)
Really? Why did Israel give control of
areas of the West Bank to Arafat if he
never adhered to one single clause of Oslo?
---
Ze'ev Sternhell Warnings on the Growth of Israeli Fascism
It Can Happen Here
By URI AVNERY
The German name Sternhell means bright as the stars. The name fits:
the positions of Professor Ze'ev Sternhell indeed stand out sharply
against the darkness of the sky. He warns against Israeli fascism.
This week, Israeli fascists laid a pipe-bomb at the entrance of his
apartment and he was lightly injured.
The choice of victim seems surprising at first. But the perpetrators
Jewdas
±DoügßÇ
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>
> "±Doügكا" <noün...@now.com> wrote in message
>> "Ariadne" <ariad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:9a199c11-c23c-4719...@h60g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On 3 Oct, 22:00, "peace.seeker.27" <vesuvian.doppelga...@lycos.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Geneva Conventions; specifically, it is illegal to build
>>> settlements on occupied land.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> What are you talking about?
>
> The illegality of building settlements on occupied land. The United
> Nations has also said it it illegal.
>
> It is also illegal to have an occupying military force on occupied lands.
>
> What it boils down to duggieboi, is that the yids couldn't give a flying
> fuck for International law or Conventions.
>
You're not worth the price of a bullet.
peace.seeker.27
> 2001
> Information Division, Israel Foreign Ministry - Jerusalem
>
> The Historical Context
>
> Jewish settlement in West Bank and Gaza Strip territory has existed
> from time immemorial and was expressly recognised as legitimate in the
> Mandate for Palestine adopted by the League of Nations, which provided
> for the establishment of a Jewish state in the Jewish people's ancient
> homeland. Indeed, Article 6 of the Mandate provided as follows:
> "The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and
> position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall
> facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall
> encourage, in cooperation with the Jewish Agency referred to in
> Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands
> not required for public use".
The League of Nations no longer exists, and previous
decisions of the League regarding Palestine have been
superceded by the U.N. Partition resolution of 1947. That
flawed attempt to solve the problem in Palestine has
instead resulted in 60 years of often bloody conflict. The
Partition resolution ignored the U.N.'s own charter by
denying the people of Palestine the right to decide their
own future through a democratic vote.
[snip]
> It should be emphasised that the movement of individuals to the
> territory is entirely voluntary, while the settlements themselves are
> not intended to displace Arab inhabitants, nor do they do so in
> practice.
Huh? Many Israeli settlements are built on stolen land,
and any goyem on that land are obviously displaced,
since Israeli settlements are Jewish-only.
> Politically, the West Bank and Gaza Strip is best regarded as
> territory over which there are competing claims which should be
> resolved in peace process negotiations. Israel has valid claims to
> title in this territory based not only on its historic and religious
> connection to the land, and its recognized security needs, but also on
> the fact that the territory was not under the sovereignty of any state
> and came under Israeli control in a war of self-defense, imposed upon
> Israel.
False. The 1948 war was a war of Israeli expansionism,
fought mainly on land which the U.N. partition resolution
had designated for the Palestinian state. If the Partition
resolution was the legal basis for the Israeli state, then it
also created a legal basis for a Palestinian state. That
legal basis did not vanish by the illegal occupation by
Israeli, Jordanian, and Egyptian forces. Therefore,
settlements on territory designated by the U.N. for the
Palestinian state are illegal.
> At the same time, Israel recognizes that the Palestinians also
> entertain legitimate claims to the area. Indeed, the very fact that
> the parties have agreed to conduct negotiations on settlements
> indicated that they envisage a compromise on this issue.
... which may never come. In 1949, during negotiations
in Switzerland, Israel "agreed in principle" to allow
Palestinian refugees to return to Israel, which was a
requirement for Israel to become a member of the U.N.
Immediately after the vote to allow Israel into the U.N.,
Israel reversed its previous agreement regarding the
refugees. Every year, the U.N. declares that the
Palestinian refugees have a right to return to their
homes, and every year, Israel ignores the U.N.
> Israeli-Palestinian Agreements
>
> The agreements reached between Israel and the Palestinians contain no
> prohibition whatsoever on the building or expansion of settlements. On
> the contrary, it is specifically provided that the issue of
> settlements is reserved for permanent status negotiations, which are
> to take place in the concluding stage of the peace talks. Indeed, the
> parties expressly agreed that the Palestinian Authority has no
> jurisdiction or control over settlements or Israelis, pending the
> conclusion of a permanent status agreement.
>
> It has been charged that the prohibition on unilateral steps which
> alter the "status" of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, which is contained
> in the Interim Agreement and in subsequent agreements between the
> parties, implies a ban on settlement activity. This position is
> disingenuous. The building of homes has no effect on the status of the
> area.
False.
> The prohibition on unilateral measures was agreed upon in order
> to ensure that neither side take steps to change the legal status of
> this territory (such as by annexation or unilateral declaration of
> statehood), pending the outcome of permanent status negotiations. Were
> this prohibition to be applied to building, it would lead to the
> ridiculous interpretation that neither side is permitted to build
> homes to accommodate for the needs of their respective communities.
But this is in fact the case for the Palestinians. In order
to build anywhere in Israel or the occupied territories,
authorization is required from the Israeli government
not only to build a new home, but to make an addition
to an existing home. Israel denies almost all Arab
requests of this nature, and demolishes structures
without a permit.
> It is important to note, that in the spirit of compromise and in an
> attempt to take constructive confidence building measures in the peace
> process, successive Israeli governments have expressly recognized the
> need for territorial compromise in West Bank and Gaza Strip territory
> and have voluntary adopted a freeze on the building of new
> settlements.
Construction of additional housing in the
occupied territories is occurring right now,
and the construction of thousands of
additional units of housing have been
announced by the Israeli government.
New settlements by extremist settlers
appear all the time, often on land owned
by Arabs. Israel has been stealing Arab
land since 1948 without compensation.
Israel has ignored repeated requests
by the U.S. to halt building additional
housing in the occupied territories,
most recently a request by U.S.
Secretary of State Rice.
> In this regard, the present National Unity Government,
> under Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, has officially declared that it
> will not build any new settlements, while remaining committed to the
> basic needs of the existing settlement communities (Government of
> Israel, Policy Guidelines, March 2001).
Has Sharon come out of his coma and
resumed his duties as Prime Minister?
> (Note that the Arabs have not adhered to one single
> clause of any agreements.)
Really? Why did Israel give control of
areas of the West Bank to Arafat if he
never adhered to one single clause of Oslo?
---
Ze'ev Sternhell Warnings on the Growth of Israeli Fascism
It Can Happen Here
By URI AVNERY
The German name Sternhell means bright as the stars. The name fits:
the positions of Professor Ze'ev Sternhell indeed stand out sharply
against the darkness of the sky. He warns against Israeli fascism.
This week, Israeli fascists laid a pipe-bomb at the entrance of his
apartment and he was lightly injured.
The choice of victim seems surprising at first. But the perpetrators
B.H. Cramer
Thank you.
"peace.seeker.27" <vesuvian.d...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Jewdas
> "B.H. Cramer" <benj...@yourservice.com> wrote in message
> news:VcGdnfbXYYd0YHvV...@giganews.com...
>>> "Ariadne" <ariad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:9a199c11-c23c-4719...@h60g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 3 Oct, 22:00, "peace.seeker.27" <vesuvian.doppelga...@lycos.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> The Geneva Conventions; specifically, it is illegal to build
>>>> settlements on occupied land.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> What are you talking about?
>> The illegality of building settlements on occupied land. The United
>> Nations has also said it it illegal.
>>
>> It is also illegal to have an occupying military force on occupied lands.
>>
>> What it boils down to duggieboi, is that the yids couldn't give a flying
>> fuck for International law or Conventions.
>>
>
> You're not worth the price of a bullet.
Is that some kind of implied threat from a Chickenshit JewBoi?
>
>>> *************************
>>> Muslime pigs spout any lies they can in hopes one of them
>>> will stick w/some dimwit, somewhere on usenet.
>>>
>
>
±DoügßÇ
news:a2010$48e85c3e$27...@news.teranews.com...
> ±DoügßÇ wrote:
>> "B.H. Cramer" <benj...@yourservice.com> wrote in message
>> news:VcGdnfbXYYd0YHvV...@giganews.com...
>>> "±DoügßÇ" <noün...@now.com> wrote in message
>>> news:RLCFk.1643$W06....@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>>> "Ariadne" <ariad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:9a199c11-c23c-4719...@h60g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On 3 Oct, 22:00, "peace.seeker.27" <vesuvian.doppelga...@lycos.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> The Geneva Conventions; specifically, it is illegal to build
>>>>> settlements on occupied land.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> What are you talking about?
>>> The illegality of building settlements on occupied land. The United
>>> Nations has also said it it illegal.
>>>
>>> It is also illegal to have an occupying military force on occupied
>>> lands.
>>>
>>> What it boils down to duggieboi, is that the yids couldn't give a flying
>>> fuck for International law or Conventions.
>>>
>>
>> You're not worth the price of a bullet.
>
> Is that some kind of implied threat from a Chickenshit JewBoi?
Take it any way you want it, preferably in the head.
Jewdas
> "Jewdas" <jew...@Joodum.com> wrote in message
> news:a2010$48e85c3e$27...@news.teranews.com...
>>> "B.H. Cramer" <benj...@yourservice.com> wrote in message
>>> news:VcGdnfbXYYd0YHvV...@giganews.com...
>>>>> "Ariadne" <ariad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:9a199c11-c23c-4719...@h60g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On 3 Oct, 22:00, "peace.seeker.27" <vesuvian.doppelga...@lycos.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> The Geneva Conventions; specifically, it is illegal to build
>>>>>> settlements on occupied land.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>> What are you talking about?
>>>> The illegality of building settlements on occupied land. The United
>>>> Nations has also said it it illegal.
>>>>
>>>> It is also illegal to have an occupying military force on occupied
>>>> lands.
>>>>
>>>> What it boils down to duggieboi, is that the yids couldn't give a flying
>>>> fuck for International law or Conventions.
>>>>
>>> You're not worth the price of a bullet.
>> Is that some kind of implied threat from a Chickenshit JewBoi?
>
> Take it any way you want it, preferably in the head.
I would wipe my ass with a piece of JewBoi fluff like you.
I suggest that you be very careful of whom you threaten.
±DoügßÇ
> ±DoügßÇ wrote:
>> "Jewdas" <jew...@Joodum.com> wrote in message
>> news:a2010$48e85c3e$27...@news.teranews.com...
>>>> "B.H. Cramer" <benj...@yourservice.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:VcGdnfbXYYd0YHvV...@giganews.com...
>>>>>> "Ariadne" <ariad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:9a199c11-c23c-4719...@h60g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> On 3 Oct, 22:00, "peace.seeker.27" <vesuvian.doppelga...@lycos.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> The Geneva Conventions; specifically, it is illegal to build
>>>>>>> settlements on occupied land.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>> What are you talking about?
>>>>> The illegality of building settlements on occupied land. The United
>>>>> Nations has also said it it illegal.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is also illegal to have an occupying military force on occupied
>>>>> lands.
>>>>>
>>>>> What it boils down to duggieboi, is that the yids couldn't give a
>>>>> flying fuck for International law or Conventions.
>>>>>
>>>> You're not worth the price of a bullet.
>>> Is that some kind of implied threat from a Chickenshit JewBoi?
>>
>> Take it any way you want it, preferably in the head.
>
> I would wipe my ass with a piece of JewBoi fluff like you.
> I suggest that you be very careful of whom you threaten.
>
I'd be scared, but I'm laughing too hard.
Are you a muslime pig fuck? If so, I'd like to meet up with you.
xpen...@earthlink.net
>I suggest that you be very careful of whom you threaten.
>
>>
Eli Grubman
>
>>I suggest that you be very careful of whom you threaten.
>>
>>>
>Another internet warrior LMAO
Duhg fights muslims from his keyboard. Go get 'em, Duhg!
Eli
American Eagle
Duuhhhg is yellow to the core. Chickenshits like him don't actually
do anything but mouth off from a safe distance.
Eli Grubman
He's a one-cunt crusade!
Eli
Poor Eli Grabmen is a Real Psychopath! LOL
LOL! And YOU, of all people, say that! YOU!!!!! LMAO!
Everyone check this:
this poor psychopath has been posting last night again until 01:02 a.m!!!
...and resumed trolling and spamming already at 05.30 the same day again,
after about FOUR HOURS of sleep!!!!
No this is not an exception. It's the rule with this degenerate, subnormal
swine and loser as you can verify if you check the time stamps of his sick
postings!
LMAO!
Poor Eli Grabmen is a Real Psychopath! LOL
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!! Look who's talking!!!!!!
Everyone check this:
this poor psychopath has been posting last night again until 01:02 a.m!!!
...and resumed trolling and spamming already at 05.30 the same day again,
after about FOUR HOURS of sleep!!!!
No, this is not an exception. It's the rule with this degenerate, subnormal
swine and loser as you can verify if you check the time stamps of his sick
postings!
LMAO!
Doctor Panta
--
Rev. Richard Skull about Eli Grabmen: "Any sex act involving YOU is
bestiality."