Russian skyscraper engulfed in flames - magically does not implode into it's own footprint like 9-11 towers

[Warhol]

Russian skyscraper engulfed in flames - magically does not implode
into it's own footprint like 9-11 towers

http://youtu.be/mQ1P2K1j-gQ

I don't understand, according to American physics all steel
skyscrapers must implode into dust from the heat?

Also BBC wasn't there to announce it collapsed 20 minutes early.

We'll call that, the BBC effect....

These Russians must have used a magic anti-physics device to keep this
building up.

Why didn't the burning Russian skyscraper do this?

http://youtu.be/972ETepp4GI

Those tricky Russians!!!

America has to learn how to build! Sorry but all houses in America
like LEGO puzzle, unstable and cheap, mass production. When tornado
hits, houses are like feather goes up in the air, the same approach
was made for twin towers, cheap.

All with larry silverstein saying "we decided to pull it". Know how
many days you'd have to spend putting in explosives in place to PULL
bldg 7??? And yet you are to tell me that they made the decision to
pull it and went into the burning bldg to place the explosives and
bring it down...... There is no point right now to fight over the
truth, it will come out in right time.

[george152]

On 05/04/13 17:11, Warhol wrote:
> Russian skyscraper engulfed in flames - magically does not implode
> into it's own footprint like 9-11 towers

No 500knot+ 120 ton airliners involved

[Warhol]

ha ha ha ha ha... really... I didn't see any airliners... are you
sure?

http://youtu.be/SXr_sGrUFO4

why is there no Airplane?

Wholly cow...are you ever out to lunch on your info. ... you shill
must go to the doctor for a check of your blind eyes.

Imagine the darkness that must hide in the souls of people whose job
it is to repeat lies which they know are lies.

I bet that a lot of other crap hides in those souls as well.

Lying, cheating, stealing, drug addiction, sexual abuse, murder. It's
all part of the slippery slope, and the demons come and go with a free
entry pass, paid for in the form of a salary, the agreement to the
deal.

I'd hate to be the child of one of those shills.


BTW official military liars say weakened trusses from kerosene fire
gave way causing the buildings to collapse not the impact of jumbos,
dumbo.

[Brad Guth]

Russians simply know how to build better, using an alloy steel that
doesn't melt in a fuel-rich burn.

[Brad Guth]

That 120 ton airliner was the average density of cotton candy going up
against massive structural steel with considerable infrastructure.

[A Moose in Love]

You should read up on the subject. Architects and Engineers for 911
truth is a good start.

[Brad Guth]

On Apr 4, 10:06 pm, A Moose in Love <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Oligarch minions like our george152 isn't permitted to read truths.

[Warhol]

It´s a kind of magic.

One would think that if one aircraft could so totally destroy a juge
skyscraper, the US military would be using the thousands of obsolete
military and commercial aircraft as the ultimate large bldg
destroyers, yet they stick with expensive complicated rockets and
bombs and missiles with thousands of pounds of explosives, and leave
all that superefficient destructive potential in old airliners and
military aircraft to slowly oxidize in the Arizona desert.

[Walt Hampton]

"Warhol" wrote in message
news:e9b7ffaf-7124-4277...@cm2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

>All with larry silverstein
>saying "we decided to pull it".

There is no bullshit like Yid bullshit. Like the three WTC Towers,
Yid bullshit also falls into its own footprint....




*

[BDK]

In article <ffdbcd11-3374-4c75-bfb4-
bbcb09...@z4g2000pbw.googlegroups.com>, brad...@gmail.com says...

Come on Brad, even as batshit insane as you are, you know that's
Bullshit. It's one thing to be whacky, but to post something as dumb as
that, well, you disappoint me. You're a better kOOk than that.

--
BDK- Head FUD-Master Blaster. Friend to all kOOkbashers.

[BDK]

In article <8a1a6083-743d-4603-bec4-7330dc6e29b3
@v8g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, parkstre...@gmail.com says...

For laughs, but there's almost zero truth, or sanity there.

[Bast]

There was no "airliner" involved in WTC 7 collapsing.
http://www.ae911truth.org

[Bast]

9/11 was an inside job.

Nothing HIT building 7, yet it came down according to script, even if BBC
announced the collapse 20 minutes too soon. they goofed up on the time
difference between NYC and UK

...How many smoking guns do you need to get it through your head,...when
everyone else already realizes OUR GOVERNMENT LIED THROUGH THEIR TEETH ABOUT
9/11, and everything since.
http://www.ae911truth.org

[Bast]

BDK wrote:
> In article <8a1a6083-743d-4603-bec4-7330dc6e29b3
> @v8g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, parkstre...@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Apr 5, 12:32 am, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
>>> On 05/04/13 17:11, Warhol wrote:> Russian skyscraper engulfed in
>>> flames - magically does not implode
>>>> into it's own footprint like 9-11 towers
>>>
>>> No 500knot+ 120 ton airliners involved
>>
>> You should read up on the subject. Architects and Engineers for 911
>> truth is a good start.
>
> For laughs, but there's almost zero truth, or sanity there.

Apparently you read the 9/11 fairytale report site then.

TRY THIS LINK
http://www.ae911truth.org

[BDK]

In article <kjmok0$les$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...

No, I ead your troofer site. The fairy tales are all there. Only
gullible, ignorant troofers think "911 truth" has any real truth in it.
Sane people jut chuckle and wonder how a troofer stays out of the looney
bin.

[BDK]

In article <kjmofl$khc$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...

WTC 1 hit WTC 7, you idiot. The only thing smoking is your ears, due to
you straining your brain trying to keep the troof alive. Too bad you
never used your brain all these years, maybe you could have saved
yourself and your family the embarrassment of being a troofer dupe.

[Brad Guth]

On Apr 5, 7:54 am, "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> BDK wrote:
> > In article <ffdbcd11-3374-4c75-bfb4-

> > bbcb09042...@z4g2000pbw.googlegroups.com>, bradg...@gmail.com says...

Being that all redneck ZNR/GOP types are genetically red-flag
colorblind as well as badly nearsighted and thereby as equally deaf
and dumb when it comes down to noticing those extra explosives blowing
out windows and thus bringing down relatively modern and structurally
robust buildings safely and very precisely within their own footprint,
whereas it's kinda amazing they can manage to safely get themselves
out of bed, much less keep from falling off their toilet seat.

[Brad Guth]

On Apr 5, 7:57 am, "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> BDK wrote:
> > In article <8a1a6083-743d-4603-bec4-7330dc6e29b3

> > @v8g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, parkstreetboo...@gmail.com says...

>
> >> On Apr 5, 12:32 am, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
> >>> On 05/04/13 17:11, Warhol wrote:> Russian skyscraper engulfed in
> >>> flames - magically does not implode
> >>>> into it's own footprint like 9-11 towers
>
> >>> No 500knot+ 120 ton airliners involved
>
> >> You should read up on the subject.  Architects and Engineers for 911
> >> truth is a good start.
>
> > For laughs, but there's almost zero truth, or sanity there.
>
> Apparently you read the 9/11 fairytale report site then.
>
> TRY THIS LINKhttp://www.ae911truth.org

BDK has problems whenever multiple red-flags and those pesky actual
objective facts keep getting in the way of their oligarch ruse and
FUD.

[Brad Guth]

Apparently having sequentially blown out windows (independently
recorded on video and w/sound) exactly prior to the WTC-7 collapsing,
was simply a perfectly normal mode of modern structural failures
taking place.

Go figure, that no other known building failures on Earth, other than
via professional demolition, offers anything even remotely similar.
In fact, most professional demolitions as having not done nearly as
well.

So, I still can't but wonder as to just how thoroughly tenet/client
screwed-up with excessive floor overloading and having been
structurally compromised (uninsurable by most anyone other than via
GE) those WTC structures actually were.

[Freedom Man]

"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ad6976dd-5edb-40a5...@z6g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...

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You literally don't know what you're talking about. Get some education in
chemistry and physics!

The fires in the THREE collapsed buildings, only TWO of which were hit by
planes, were nowhere near hot enough to melt steel, yet pools of molten iron
were under the debris of all THREE buildings. The only scientifically valid
explanation is that the molten iron was the product of THERMATE COMBUSTION.
Thermate is used with high explosives in CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.

The 9/11 "ATTACK" - ELEVEN YEARS, STILL NO JUSTICE!

The crime of the century that mass-murdered 3000 innocent Americans on
September 11, 2001 remains unsolved. Many know this with certainty and some
suspect it, but some Americans still believe the coverup lies and propaganda
fed them through the government-manipulated corporate mass-media. To
understand why, and know the truth, read on - -

To understand the point I wish to make, let's assume that an obviously alien
creature was walking peacefully down the street, and observe peoples'
reactions to it.

Some would simply not see it! Their brains would reject as IMPOSSIBLE what
their eyes tell them, and block out their awareness of the unearthly
creature.

Some might stare, perhaps be shocked or frightened, but then go on,
rationalizing that they only saw someone in costume, or that they had
indulged too heavily at last night's party and were seeing things. They
would tell no one what they saw for fear of being thought crazy. They would
even, in defense of their own rationalization, label other people that
reported such a sighting as crazy. This is the psychological phenomenon of
DENIAL.

Perhaps in fear for their own sanity, deniers condemn as crazy others that
claim aliens or whatever to be real. Such assertions are frightening because
they violate their sense of reality - "only KOOKS believe in aliens!" Thus
people tend to reject as unreal what is not comfortable for them to accept,
and likewise embrace beliefs that do not hold up to scientific scrutiny but
do provide them comfort. You don't believe what you DON'T WANT to believe;
denial thus serves to protect the mind from what would be mentally traumatic
if accepted.

Some things are simply too horrific, too abominably appalling, too greatly
in violation of what we WANT to think or believe, to accept as actual
reality - even when they ARE real! "Look; the Emperor wears no clothes,"
said the child too na�ve to know that such facts are not to be spoken of,
nor even acknowledged to oneself.

PSYOPS - definition paraphrased from Wikipedia: Psychological Operations.
Techniques used to influence a target audience's value systems, beliefs,
emotions, motives, reasoning, or behavior. PSYOPS are used to induce
confessions or reinforce attitudes and behaviors favorable to the
originator's objectives, and are sometimes combined with black operations or
false flag tactics. The phrase is commonly used by governments who wish to
avoid the terms propaganda and brainwashing in reference to their own work
because those terms have negative connotations. The use of such euphemisms
for what is in effect mind control is in itself an example of psychological
operations, i.e. using psychological techniques to persuade a large number
of people to support something they wouldn't normally support or to
unquestioningly accept lies.

Obviously, to permit or commit an atrocity on the scale of the 9/11 attacks,
and/or to exploit the horror, shock, and fear thus created to influence
public opinion and actions, is clearly a PSYOP. The exploitation of the
psychological phenomenon of DENIAL is also clearly a PSYOP. Who would want
to believe that traitors in our own government would permit, or even
perpetrate, such an atrocity on their own people? How much easier it would
be to accept the existence of aliens - or fanatical Jihadists!

"But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy
and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they
are being attacked and then denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism
and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." -
Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg Trials.

Now that we understand what PSYOPS are, and the psychological phenomenon of
DENIAL, we are in a better position to rationally investigate the true
nature and possible sources of the 9/11 attacks.

The UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE of an INSIDE JOB:

BLOWN TO BITS:

The sudden, complete, straight down at near free-fall speed collapse of
steel framed WTC building 7, which was not touched by the planes, is the
SMOKING GUN of the 9/11 conspiracy. The building's few small fires and
superficial debris damage could not account for this collapse, which had all
the earmarks of controlled demolition by explosives. Videos clearly show
this. Such demolitions take many days or weeks to set up - not the few hours
between the plane "attacks" and the collapse. The explosives therefore had
to be put in place BEFOREHAND. This lends credibility to the use of
previously placed explosives to bring down the towers as well, which like
the badly damaged and fire-gutted Deutchbank building would probably have
remained standing.

Propaganda shills, disinformationists, and those in psychological denial
still insist the collapse of WTC 7 could not be what it obviously was, and
they employ often ludicrous rationalizations and fabrications, elaborate
lies, and infantile ad-hominem attacks to defend their indefensible
position. The REAL terrorists are desperate to cover up their mass-murderous
crime of the century - the permitting if not perpetration of, and subsequent
political and economic exploitation of the fully preventable 9/11 disaster.
Could Bin Laden have somehow totally incapacitated NORAD - the world's most
sophisticated aerospace defense system - on that horrible morning? I don't
think so!

There is evidence of an INSIDE JOB even more clear and indisputable than the
explosive demolition collapse of building 7 and the standing down of NORAD.
Many very small HUMAN BODY FRAGMENTS have been found on the roofs of nearby
buildings. These were too far away to be from jumpers from the towers. If
the towers simply collapsed from damage and fire alone, what blew these
bodies to smithereens and sent the fragments flying for considerable
distances? The plane impacts did not have the explosive brisance (shattering
force) necessary to do this - only HIGH EXPLOSIVES can blow bodies to tiny
bits and throw them such distances.

So - who can credibly account for these body fragments, other than their
being the result of high explosives being detonated in the towers?


The NORAD STAND-DOWN (complete failure to take defensive action) is
compelling evidence of the 9/11 conspiracy. NORAD is the world's most
sophisticated aerospace defense system, with backups and redundancies that
make it extremely reliable and effective. NORAD routinely intercepts off
course or out of communication aircraft of all kinds, especially near such
security-sensitive areas as New York City and the Pentagon. On 9/11, FOUR
allegedly hijacked subsonic-speed commercial jets were out of communication
and flying towards known terrorist targets for well over an hour. NOT ONE of
these planes was intercepted by NORAD! We were told that NORAD only looks
for aircraft coming from outside the USA, but this is a blatant LIE, given
the history of NORAD's routine interceptions!


The following article proves, using the inviolate laws of physics, the
falsity of the government's propaganda explanation for the World Trade
Center building collapses:

SIMPLE PHYSICS EXPOSES THE BIG 9/11 LIE - GOVERNMENT BUILDING COLLAPSE
EXPLANATION FAILS REALITY CHECK

On September 11, 2001, the world watched in horror as the World TradeCenter
(WTC) Twin Towers collapsed, killing thousands of innocent people. Videos of
the collapses were replayed ad nauseam on TV for days. About 5 hours after
the towers fell, WTC building 7 also collapsed suddenly, completely, and
straight down at near free-fall speed. This steel-framed building was not
touched by the planes that struck the towers, and had sustained relatively
minor debris damage and small fires. Nearby buildings far more heavily
damaged remained standing.

In June 2005, in an apparent response to an article by Morgan Reynolds,
former CIA Director and current Secretary of Defense Robert Gates stated,
"The American people know what they saw with their own eyes on September11,
2001. To suggest any kind of government conspiracy in the events of that day
goes beyond the pale."

We will prove here, with scientific rigor, that it's the government's tale
that's "beyond the pale!"

Did most of the American people really understand the unprecedented
phenomena they had witnessed? Could a lack of knowledge of physics, and the
emotional shock of this mass-murderous "terrorist attack" have stymied
objective thinking and led to the blind acceptance of authoritarian
assertions?

The government and the media TOLD US what we saw. The government told us
that we had witnessed a "gravitational" collapse; what is now referred to as
a "pancake collapse". According to the government claims, the plane crashes
and subsequent kerosene (like lamp oil - jet fuel is NOT exotic) fires
heated the UL-certified structural steel to the point where it was
significantly weakened, which is very difficult to believe, never mind
repeat in an experiment. Even with massive fires that incinerate everything
else, the steel frames of such buildings generally remain standing.

According to the "pancake theory", this purported (all physical evidence was
quickly and illegally destroyed) weakening supposedly caused part of the
tower to collapse downward onto the rest of the tower, which, we've been
repeatedly told, somehow resulted in a chain reaction of the lower floors
sequentially, one at a time, yielding to the weight falling from above.

There are some problems with that theory - it does not fit the observed
facts

* It cannot account for the total failure of the immense vertical steelcore
columns - as if they were there one moment and gone the next.

* The collapse times were near free-fall, far too rapid to be due to gravity
alone. This article focuses on the latter of these two discrepancies.

Those that concocted the "pancake theory" made a fatal error - they didn't
check their story against the inviolate laws of physics! This is easy to do,
even without any physical evidence to examine. We can test that incredible
pancake tale using basic high-school physics. Let's do that - use a simple,
unassailable, incontrovertible conservation-of-energy analysis to perform a
reality check that establishes once and for all that the government, and
such government story backers as PBS, Popular Mechanics, and Scientific
American have falsified the true nature of the 9/11 disaster.

How Gravity Acts:

Sir Isaac Newton noticed that apples fell from trees. Others had also
noticed this, but none had ever devised a theory of gravity from the
observation. Over the years, mankind has learned that the force ofgravity at
and near Earth's surface produces an acceleration of known constant
magnitude. That doesn't mean we know HOW it works, or WHY, but we have
become able to predict its effects with a high degree of precision and
certainty - gravity has always had the same, predictable, effect.

Galileo Galilei used the leaning tower of Pisa to demonstrate that a large
ball and a small one (of lesser mass) fell (accelerated downward) at the
same rate. Prior to Galileo, people had just assumed that heavier objects
fall faster, much the way they had assumed the Earth was flat.

So while an object of greater mass will exert more force (its weight) upon
anything supporting it against gravity's pull, it does not experience any
greater acceleration when gravity's pull is not opposed - when it is
falling. Earth's gravity at and near the surface of the planet can only
accelerate objects downward at one known, constant rate: 32 feet persecond
for each second of free fall. As Galileo demonstrated centuries ago, heavier
objects are not accelerated any quicker than are lighter objects.

So Earth's gravity produces a downward acceleration of 32 feet per second
per second. This means that an object, after falling one second, will be
falling at a speed of 32 ft/sec. After the 2nd second, it will be falling at
64 ft/sec. After the 3rd second, it will be falling at 96 ft/sec., and so
on.

Further, since gravity's acceleration is constant, and an object isfalling
at 32 ft/sec after one second has elapsed, we know that it has averaged 16
ft/sec for the entire distance. Thus after one second, the object has fallen
16 feet.

Scientists have derived simple free-fall equations that can be used to
harness this knowledge mathematically. These equations can be found inany
high-school physics book

* Falling velocity = acceleration of gravity x time. (V = G x T)
And
* Distance fallen = 1/2 x acceleration of gravity x time squared. (D =1/2 x
G x T x T)

So if we want to know how far an object has free-fallen after 3 seconds

Distance = 1/2 x 32 x 9 = 144 feet

So after 3 seconds in Earth's gravity, an object will have fallen 144 feet
and will be falling at 96 ft/sec.

Checking Our Work:

We've just solved a simple physics problem. Now let's check our work,using
conservation of energy.

We know that energy can neither be created nor destroyed - it merely changes
form. If we take the potential (in this case chemical, molecular) energyin a
barrel of oil and burn it, it changes to heat energy. When we burn gasoline
in our car's engine, we get kinetic (motional) energy, plus some heat, as an
engine is not 100% efficient. When we use our car's brakes to bleed off some
of that kinetic energy (slow down), that energy isconverted into heat (the
brakes get hot). Explosives convert potential energy [molecular or atomic]
to kinetic energy (explosive force) quickly enough to shatter or even
pulverize concrete.

In the case of the free-falling object, the two kinds of energy we are
concerned with are kinetic energy and potential energy. Examples of
potential (gravitational) energy are the energy available from water stored
up high in a water tower, or a boulder perched atop a hill. If whateveris
holding it up there is removed, it will fall under the influence of
gravity's pull. As it accelerates downward, the potential energy is
converted to the kinetic energy of the object's motion.

So, as an object falls, it changes its potential energy into kinetic energy.

The equation for potential energy is
* Potential Energy = Mass (or weight) x Gravity x Height. (PE = M x G xH)

The equation for kinetic energy is
* Kinetic Energy = 1/2 x Mass x Velocity squared. (KE = 1/2 x M x V x V)

So let's just say, for the sake of simplicity, that our falling object hasa
mass of 1. (Remember, the object's mass will affect its energy, and its
momentum, but not its rate of free-fall.)

The potential energy given up by falling 3 seconds (144 ft) is: 1 x 32x144
= 4608

The kinetic energy gained after falling 3 seconds is 1/2 x 1 x 96 squared
=1/2 x 9216 = 4608

So, the available potential energy was converted into kinetic energy.Seeing
that energy was, in fact, conserved is how we know that the answer in the
simple case above was correct. We've checked our work, using an independent
analysis, based upon the sound physical principle of conservation of energy.
Now, and only now, we can be certain that our answer was correct.

One Little Complication - the effect of air resistance

The free-fall equations above reflect a perfect, frictionless world. They
perfectly predict the behavior of falling bodies in a vacuum. In fact, you
may have seen a science class demonstration in which the air is pumped out
of a tube and then a feather will fall, in that vacuum, just as fast as will
a solid metal ball.

That's how parachutes work: much of the falling object's potential energy
gets expended doing the work of pushing a lot of air out of the way inorder
for the object to fall. As a result, not all of the gravitational potential
energy can go towards accelerating the object downward at gravity's rate of
32 ft/sec/sec.

In other words, only when there is zero frictional resistance can any
falling object's potential energy be completely converted into kinetic
energy. Anything that resists a falling object's downward velocity reduces
its acceleration from the maximum gravitational acceleration of 32 feet per
second per second, as some of gravity's potential energy is consumed in
overcoming frictional resistance.

This explains the phenomena of "terminal velocity". The free-fall equations
predict that a falling object's velocity will continue to increase without
limit. But in air, once a falling object reaches a certain speed, its
propensity to fall will be matched by the air's resistance to the fall.At
that point the object will continue to fall, but its speed will no longer
increase over time. Another way of looking at it is this: gravity's
incessant force produces a downward acceleration, but friction with theair
creates an upward force and thus an upward acceleration. When falling at
terminal velocity, the acceleration downward equals the accelerationupward,
they cancel each other out, and a constant downward velocity ismaintained.

Thus the parachute, with its high air friction resistance, allows theperson
attached to it to float to earth unharmed.

A Quick Recap:

Earth's gravity causes objects to fall, and they fall according to precise
physical equations. The equations assume no air or other resistance. Any
resistance at all will cause the object to fall less rapidly than it would
without that resistance. If a falling object is affected by airresistance it
falls slower than it would if free-falling, and it will take longer to fall
a given distance.

Free-fall From WTC Building Heights

The towers were 1350 and 1360 feet tall; average = 1355 feet. Let's start by
using our free-fall equation to see how long it should take an objectto
free-fall from the towers' height.

Distance = 1/2 x Gravity x Time squared. (D = 1/2 x G x T x T)

With a little basic algebra, we solve the equation for the fall time,T:

2 x Distance = Gravity x Time(squared) (2 x D = G x T x T)
Time squared = (2 x Distance) / Gravity (T x T = 2 x D / G)
Time squared = 2 x 1355 / 32 = 84.7 (T = square root of (2 x D / G))
Time = 9.2

So our equation tells us that it takes 9.2 seconds to free-fall to the
ground from the height of the WTC towers.

Using our simpler equation, V = G x T, we can see that at 9.2 seconds, the
free-falling object's velocity must be about 295 ft/sec, which is justover
200 mph.

But that can only occur IN A VACUUM.

Since the WTC was in Earth's atmosphere at sea level, you might be able to
imagine how much air resistance that represents. Think about putting your
arm out the window of a car moving even half that fast! Most free-falling
objects reach their terminal velocity long before they reach 200 mph. For
example, the terminal velocity of a free-falling human body is around 120
mph. The terminal velocity of a free-falling cat is around 60 mph.

Therefore, it is clear that air resistance alone will make it take longer
than 9.2 seconds for anything falling from the towers' height to reach the
ground.

Observations from 9/11:

On page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report, we are told, in the government's
"complete and final report" on 9/11, that the South Tower collapsed in 10
seconds. Here is the exact quote

"At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds". That's the
government's official number. With all the videos that show it, they could
not lie about this.

But as we've determined above, the FREE-FALL TIME IN A VACUUM is 9.2
seconds, and 10 seconds is an exceptionally short fall time through the air.

This "collapse" was not without far more physical resistance than from the
air alone. It proceeded through all the lower stories of the tower. Those
undamaged floors below the plane impact zone offered resistance thousands of
times greater than that of air. Those lower stories, and the central steel
core columns, had successfully supported the mass of the tower for 30 years
despite hurricane-force winds and tremors. Air cannot do that.

Can anyone possibly imagine undamaged lower floors getting out of the way of
the upper floors as gracefully and relatively without friction as air would?
Can anyone possibly imagine the lower stories slowing the fall of the upper
floors less than would, say, a parachute?

It is beyond the scope of the simple but uncontested physics here to tell
you how long such a collapse should have taken. Would it have taken a
minute? Ten minutes? Hard to say, but certainly it would take far more than
10 seconds!

What is certain, beyond any shadow of a doubt, is that the towers could not
have collapsed gravitationally, through their intact lower stories, as
rapidly as was observed on 9/11. Not even close. This is shown above to be
physically impossible!

Not only was tremendous energy expended in causing the observed massive
high-speed sideways debris ejections, but virtually all the concrete and
glass of the tower was pulverized - actually dissociated is a better word.
Never mind what happened to all the supporting steel core columns! The
energy requirements to do anything like that, alone, rival the total amount
of potential energy that the entire tower had to give. Gravity alone is
sufficient to cause some things to fall that far, even through air, in close
to the observed 10 second collapse time. But that is without the huge
expenditure of energy necessary to pulverize all of that concrete and glass,
eject debris, plus cause the steel core columns to effectively disappear.
The gravitational potential energy present was certainly not enough to have
done all these things at once.

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; it only changes form. So WHERE
DID ALL THAT ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTIVE ENERGY COME FROM?

Conclusions

In order for the towers to have collapsed "gravitationally" in the observed
duration, as we've been told over and over again, one or more of the
following zany-sounding conditions must have been met

* The undamaged structure below the impact zone offered zero resistance to
the collapse.
* The glass and concrete spontaneously disintegrated without any expenditure
of energy.
* The massive vertical steel core columns simply vanished, as if by magic.
* On 9/11 alone, in that location alone, gravity was much stronger than
gravity.
* On 9/11 alone, in that location alone, energy was not conserved.

None of these laws-of-physics-violating, and thus impossible, conditions can
be accounted for by the official government theory of 9/11, nor by any of
the subsequent analyses and arguments designed to prop up this official myth
of 9/11.

The Bottom Line

The government explanations for the WTC collapses fail the most basic
conservation-of-energy reality check. Therefore the government theory is
FALSE; it does not fit the observed facts, and the notion of a "pancake
collapse" cannot account for what happened. The "pancake collapse"
explanation is impossible, and thus absurd. It is A LIE.

It is utterly impossible for a gravitational collapse to proceed so
destructively through a path of such great resistance in anywhere near
free-fall time. This fact debunks the preposterous contention that theWTC
collapses can be blamed solely upon damage resulting from the plane impacts.

The unnaturally short durations of the top-down collapses reveal that the
towers did not disintegrate because they were coming down, but rather they
came down because something else was causing them to disintegrate.

So, to the extent that people accept the ridiculous "pancake collapse"
story, former CIA Director and current Secretary of Defense Gates' other
premise, that people know what they saw, is also false. It is left to you to
decide if his conclusion, which was based upon clearly incorrect
presumptions, is also flawed.

The collapse of WTC building 7, which was NOT hit by any plane, and which
also collapsed within a second of free-fall time later that same day,
similarly fails the conservation-of-energy analysis. The 9/11 Commission
made no attempt to explain it.

Just how and why so many highly-accredited and credentialed people all so
miserably failed to check the "pancake collapse" theory, by giving it this
basic physics reality check, is beyond the scope of this analysis.

---------
FURTHER IRREFUTABLE PROOF BY PHYSICS OF THE 9/11 INSIDE JOB

http://vehme.blogspot.com/2007/12/glaring-proof-of-something-hotter-than.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck's_law_of_black_body_radiation Also see:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646

SO - WHO DONE IT??

Any good detective will tell you that the way to find criminals is to
investigate those that benefitted, or stood to benefit, from the crime.
Surely those that were quickly blamed for this mass-murderous crime of the
century - Bin Laden, etc., had evil intentions against America, but could
not have done it single-handedly. Just after 9/11 Iraq and Saddam Hussein
were implied as guilty in a PSYOP to justify the invasion of Iraq, when in
fact they were blameless for 9/11.

Here are some that, under the criteria of the good detective above, must be
considered suspects:

Bush, Cheney, and their fellow Republican/neo-conservatives then in power.
Then NYC mayor Rudy Giuliani.
WTC owner/leaseholder Larry Silverstein.
The theocratic nation of Israel.

DEMAND that congress reopen the investigation and bring the real
MASS-MURDERERS to justice!

NINE ELEVEN - NEVER AGAIN!

[Bast]

Oh really ???
Show me videos of this building being hit.
Or even all the damage AFTER it was hit, and before it fell, hours later.

Then explain why the police were ordered to evacuate the immediate area
only minutes before WTC 7 turned to dust

YOU CAN'T,....that's the problem with the official 9/11 fairytale,....none
of it really explains what happened that day.

[Bast]

Yup, but on the bright side at least BDK being a paid government stoolie,
proves those who were actually behind 9/11 still are worried they have to
keep hiding the truth.
It would be far worse if they readily admitted it, and knew no one could
ever prosecute them,....or just a mob string them up.

[Bast]

How does it feel to go to your "get the 9//11 kooks" meetings, and only 6 of
you still show up. ?

[Brad Guth]

Perhaps their operation "Paperclip" was simply a whole lot more
successful than ever imagined, and still going strong.

[Bast]

BDK's only problem will come when those who keep promising him riches for
supporting their 9/11 farytale,....won't answer their phone when they no
longer need him, and he's getting dragged off in the middle of the night, to
a FEMA camp.

[Brad Guth]

Perhaps we should start feeling sorry for those others sequestered in
that FEMA camp that BDK and other failed FUD-masters will be sent to,
for their own protection from the rest of us.

[george152]

I suppose he thinks that 120 ton of cotton candy moving at 500 knots
weighs less than a 120 ton aircraft moving at 500 knots ...
Also WTF has infrastructure got to do with anything ???????

[george152]

On 06/04/13 06:57, Bast wrote:

> Oh really ???
> Show me videos of this building being hit.
> Or even all the damage AFTER it was hit, and before it fell, hours later.
>
> Then explain why the police were ordered to evacuate the immediate area
> only minutes before WTC 7 turned to dust
>
> YOU CAN'T,....that's the problem with the official 9/11 fairytale,....none
> of it really explains what happened that day.

Judging by the large piles of debris in all the photos of the 911 scene
7 did NOT 'turn into dust'

[george152]

Okay.
Refute the findings in the NIST reports.
Its been nearly 12 years..
How long do you need ?
All the conspiracy groups have made claims that don't stand up to scrutiny

[Brad Guth]

On Apr 5, 12:14 pm, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
> On 06/04/13 01:37, BDK wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <ffdbcd11-3374-4c75-bfb4-

> > bbcb09042...@z4g2000pbw.googlegroups.com>, bradg...@gmail.com says...

>
> >> On Apr 4, 9:32 pm, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
> >>> On 05/04/13 17:11, Warhol wrote:> Russian skyscraper engulfed in flames - magically does not implode
> >>>> into it's own footprint like 9-11 towers
>
> >>>    No 500knot+ 120 ton airliners involved
>
> >> That 120 ton airliner was the average density of cotton candy going up
> >> against massive structural steel with considerable infrastructure.
>
> > Come on Brad, even as batshit insane as you are, you know that's
> > Bullshit. It's one thing to be whacky, but to post something as dumb as
> > that, well, you disappoint me. You're a better kOOk than that.
>
> I suppose he thinks that 120 ton of cotton candy moving at 500 knots
> weighs less than a 120 ton aircraft moving at 500 knots ...
> Also WTF has infrastructure got to do with anything ???????

Each WTC structure was densely packed with massive plumbing,
distribution transformers, wiring and HVAC infrastructure, in addition
to all of their fancy marble rock decor and considerable unregulated
inventory (including massive safes and high security files weighing
tonnes each) contributed by the clients.

Are you actually suggesting that sequentially timed window blowouts
from internal explosions for no apparent good reason(s), are simply
the status-quo norm of how modern buildings should fail?

[Bast]

The Government also refuses to listen to those who claim the economy is
tanking too.
Hey, so you lost your home and your job,....you are a "kook",...everything
is fine.

But rest assured that those seeking the truth about 9/11 will only go away,
when they shoot us.
http://www.ae911truth.org

[Brad Guth]

That's probably why our DHS and FEMA need all of those spare hollow
tip bullets.

george152 doesn't even know the difference between NIST and that of
our SS Nazi "paperclip" version of anything. They get to use
obfuscation each and every time anything doesn't nicely fit into their
mainstream redneck status-quo interpretation. In other words, there's
no real objective difference between them and the actions/reactions of
GW Bush or Hitler.

[Brad Guth]

They were caught obfuscating from the very get-go. Covering their
butts and especially of those they brown-nosed, was simply more
important.

[Warhol]

The Brazen bull is waiting for them, at the end of the tail...

[george152]

And your evidence is what exactly and why haven't you produced it in the
media

[Warhol]

Ha ha ha ha and how did seven vanish from the scene?

it doesn't matter, you could be replicas, fly multiple planes into the
buildings, watch them burn for hours, then when they haven't collapsed
on their own footprint, flown more planes into the same buildings only
to watch them continue to stand. You could still light every floor on
fire and watch as the replicas still don't collapse.

but all for what?

Americans are so dumb they think random Muslims with boxcutters flew
planes illegally in the most defensive airspace in the world to then
do military precision manuvers into landmarks which then magically
defied logic and imploded on themselves ay free fall speed. to even
make a building collapse that didn't even get hit, and even the nose
of Boeing plane defies further logic by penetrating through multiple
recently renovated pentagon walls.

a lone jumbo jet piloted by cave-dwellers managed to get into the most
protected airspace in the world (D.C), and impact into the most
militarized, defended, high profile, military installation ever known
to mankind leaving the hole, the size of a small missile with no
debris.

ummmm ok must have been magic, right America?

oh and I forgot to mention that shanksville is the only plane crash
site in history with no debris... Hmmm...

[Warhol]

On Apr 5, 9:14 pm, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
> On 06/04/13 01:37, BDK wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <ffdbcd11-3374-4c75-bfb4-

> > bbcb09042...@z4g2000pbw.googlegroups.com>, bradg...@gmail.com says...

>
> >> On Apr 4, 9:32 pm, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
> >>> On 05/04/13 17:11, Warhol wrote:> Russian skyscraper engulfed in flames - magically does not implode
> >>>> into it's own footprint like 9-11 towers
>
> >>>    No 500knot+ 120 ton airliners involved
>
> >> That 120 ton airliner was the average density of cotton candy going up
> >> against massive structural steel with considerable infrastructure.
>
> > Come on Brad, even as batshit insane as you are, you know that's
> > Bullshit. It's one thing to be whacky, but to post something as dumb as
> > that, well, you disappoint me. You're a better kOOk than that.
>
> I suppose he thinks that 120 ton of cotton candy moving at 500 knots
> weighs less than a 120 ton aircraft moving at 500 knots ...
> Also WTF has infrastructure got to do with anything ???????

SO you admit you're a retard… since when does aluminum cut steel.

Retard, you are. The buildings were built to sustain huge stresses,
ESPECIALLY airliners crashing on them.

And I don't know where hitting the top of the towers can destroy the
whole structure enough so that building crumbles at free-fall speed!

FAIL...

[Brad Guth]

The evidence has already been presented dozens of times, and equally
banished or obfuscated by only those of your kind. There was also
convincing evidence as to what brought down TWA flight 800, but that
too got its coffin nailed shut before many other factors could be
honestly reviewed.

Perhaps the butler did it.

If your mainstream interpretation is so proof-positive, and such a
closed matter of fact with no possible wiggle room, then why does it
bother you in the least what others think and have to say?

You are obviously a very bothered person.

[1treePetrifiedForestLane]

contrary to popular TV-viewing,
the energy of the "fuel for a trascontinental flight
of a 757, does not dissipate
into the air."

[Brad Guth]

On Apr 5, 4:50 pm, 1treePetrifiedForestLane <Space...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

None the less, it represents less density than steam which would do
nothing to that WTC steel infrastructure.

[Bast]

It's been in the media,...and still is.
Go to http://www.Infowars.com

Or http://www.ae911turth.org

OR HERE for actual aired footage the day of
http://youtu.be/_0eC3uns3pA

or any other non- US government controlled media site.

Oh I suppose you think the talking heads on TV and radio news at 6:00pm is
the ONLY news ???
Or, you think unless Oprah mentions it, it's not news ?

hey, here's a CNN TV network reporter who mentioned the ACTUAL FACTS on air.
http://youtu.be/eHWHHid0Pmo
.....He now works in the fast food industry, since THAT.


So don't say it was NEVER aired.

[george152]

On 06/04/13 12:08, Warhol wrote:


> SO you admit you're a retard� since when does aluminum cut steel.

>
> Retard, you are. The buildings were built to sustain huge stresses,
> ESPECIALLY airliners crashing on them.
>
> And I don't know where hitting the top of the towers can destroy the
> whole structure enough so that building crumbles at free-fall speed!
>

Why do you advertise your ignorance?
Is it a thing of some pride with nazis that they are totally devoid of
technical knowledge ?

[Brad Guth]

> Orhttp://www.ae911turth.org
>
> OR HERE for actual aired footage the day ofhttp://youtu.be/_0eC3uns3pA

>
> or any other non- US government controlled media site.
>
> Oh I suppose you think the talking heads on TV and radio news at 6:00pm is
> the ONLY news ???
> Or, you think unless Oprah mentions it, it's not news ?
>

> hey, here's a CNN TV network reporter who mentioned the ACTUAL FACTS on air.http://youtu.be/eHWHHid0Pmo

> .....He now works in the fast food industry, since THAT.
>
> So don't say it was NEVER aired.

Perhaps those crazy Russians simply know how to properly engineer and
construct their buildings.

[Warhol]

On Apr 6, 5:07 am, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
> On 06/04/13 12:08, Warhol wrote:
>

> > SO you admit you're a retard since when does aluminum cut steel.

>
> > Retard, you are. The buildings were built to sustain huge stresses,
> > ESPECIALLY airliners crashing on them.
>
> > And I don't know where hitting the top of the towers can destroy the
> > whole structure enough so that building crumbles at free-fall speed!
>
> Why do you advertise your ignorance?
> Is it a thing of some pride with nazis that they are totally devoid of
> technical knowledge ?

You:
http://youtu.be/vHSNZK4Je-Y

[Warhol]

Because the towers were IMPLODED....(demolished )

Nice coverup for the buildings to be destroyed without the costs of
cleanup and asbestos removal.

Also Nice coverup to destroy records and a gold heist.

Plus the benefits of a war and implementation of TSA and DHS to unarm
Americans.

BTW did you remark that the 9-11 shills are fewer and dumber. did the
least incompetent ones get moved to the sandy hook threads to add some
re-enforcements to those losers...

[Jorge]

In article
<5579aa08-d80a-4b78...@y9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 5, 6:32�am, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
> > On 05/04/13 17:11, Warhol wrote:> Russian skyscraper engulfed in flames -
> > magically does not implode
> > > into it's own footprint like 9-11 towers
> >
> > � No 500knot+ 120 ton airliners involved
>
>

> ha ha ha ha ha... really... I didn't see any airliners... are you
> sure?
>
> http://youtu.be/SXr_sGrUFO4
>
> why is there no Airplane?
>
> Wholly cow...are you ever out to lunch on your info. ... you shill
> must go to the doctor for a check of your blind eyes.
>
> Imagine the darkness that must hide in the souls of people whose job
> it is to repeat lies which they know are lies.
>
> I bet that a lot of other crap hides in those souls as well.
>
> Lying, cheating, stealing, drug addiction, sexual abuse, murder. It's
> all part of the slippery slope, and the demons come and go with a free
> entry pass, paid for in the form of a salary, the agreement to the
> deal.
>
> I'd hate to be the child of one of those shills.
>
>
> BTW official military liars say weakened trusses from kerosene fire
> gave way causing the buildings to collapse not the impact of jumbos,
> dumbo.

and;

for more;

http://www.economichitman.com/
and
www.thrivemovement.com

The last resort was what "W" called the war.
"Send in the Marines" and war is the take-over. Sound familiar? Iraq.
> A decade after President George W. Bush ordered the unprovoked
> invasion of Iraq, one of the enduring mysteries has been WHY?. There
> was the rationale sold to a frightened American people in 2002-2003 �
> that Saddam Hussein was plotting to attack them with WMDs � but no one
> in power really believed that.
>
> There have been other more plausible explanations: George Bush the
> Younger wanted to avenge a perceived slight to George Bush the Elder,
> while also outdoing his father as a �war president; Vice President
> Dick Cheney(who really ruled) had his eye on Iraq�s oil wealth; and Israel .
> saw an opportunity to create its �permanent majority behind a
> glorious victory in the Middle East.
>
> Though George W. Bush�s defenders vigorously denied being motivated by
> such crass thinking, those rationales do seem closer to the truth.
> However, there was another driving force behind the desire to conquer
> Iraq: the neoconservative belief that the conquest would be a first
> step toward installing compliant pro-U.S. regimes throughout the
> Middle East and letting Israel dictate final peace terms to its
> neighbors.
>
> That rationale has often been dressed up as �democratizing the Middle
> East, but the idea was more a form of �neocolonialism, in which
> American proconsuls would make sure that a favored leader, like the
> Iraqi National Congress� Ahmed Chalabi, would control each country and
> align the nations� positions with the interests of the United States
> and Israel.
>
> Some analysts have traced this idea back to the Neo-con Project for the
> New American Century in the late 1990s, which advocated for regime
> change in Iraq. But the idea�s origins go back to the early 1990s and
> to two seminal events.
>
> But the Bush-41 administration wasn't willing to negotiate a peaceful
> resolution to the Kuwait invasion. Instead of letting Hussein arrange
> an orderly withdrawal, Bush-41 began baiting him with insults and
> blocking any face-saving way for a retreat.
>
> Peace feelers from Hussein and later from Soviet President Mikhail
> Gorbachev were rebuffed as Bush-41 waited his chance to demonstrate
> the stunning military realities of his New World Order. Even the U.S.
> field commander, Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, favored Gorbachev�s plan for
> letting Iraqi forces pull back, but Bush-41 was determined to have a
> ground war.
>
> So, Gorbachev�s plan was bypassed and the ground war commenced with
> the slaughter of Iraqi troops, many of them draftees who were mowed
> down and incinerated as they fled back toward Iraq. After 100 hours,
> Bush-41 ordered a halt to the massacre. He then revealed a key part of
> his motivation by declaring: �We�ve kicked the Vietnam Syndrome once
> and for all.

> Neo-cons Celebrate

> Official Washington took note of the new realities and the renewed
> public enthusiasm for war. In a post-war edition, Newsweek devoted a
> full page to up-and-down arrows in its �Conventional Wisdom Watch.
> Bush got a big up arrow with the snappy comment: �Master of all he
> surveys. Look at my polls, ye Democrats, and despair.

> Neo-con pundits, already dominating Washington�s chattering class,
> could barely contain their glee with the only caveat that Bush-41 had
> ended the Iraqi "turkey shoot" too soon and should have taken the
> carnage all the way to Baghdad.
>
> The American people also rallied to the lopsided victory, celebrating
> with ticker-tape parades and cheering fireworks in honor of the
> conquering heroes. The victory-parade extravaganza stretched on for
> months, as hundreds of thousands jammed Washington for what was called
> �the mother of all parades.
>
> American Hegemony
>
> Like other observers, the neocons had seen how advanced U.S.
> technology had changed the nature of warfare. �Smart bombs, zeroed in
> on helpless targets; electronic sabotage disrupted enemy command and
> control; exquisitely equipped American troops outclassed the Iraqi
> military chugging around in Soviet-built tanks. War was made to look
> easy and fun with very light U.S. casualties.
>
> The collapse of the Soviet Union later in 1991 represented the removal
> of the last obstacle to U.S. hegemony. The remaining question for the
> neo-cons was how to get and keep control of the levers of American
> power. However, those levers slipped out of their grasp with Bush-41�s
> favoritism toward his �realist foreign policy advisers and then Bill
> Clinton�s election in 1992.
>
> But the neocons still held many cards in the early 1990s, having
> gained credentials from their work in the Reagan administration and
> having built alliances with other hard-liners such as Bush-41�s
> Defense Secretary Cheney. The neocons also had grabbed important space
> on the opinion pages of key newspapers, like the Washington Post and
> the Wall Street Journal, and influential chairs inside major
> foreign-policy think tanks.
>
> The second game-changing event took place amid the neocon infatuation
> with Israel�s Likud leaders. In the mid-1990s, prominent American
> neo-cons, including Richard Perle and Douglas Feith, went to work for
> the campaign of Benjamin Netanyahu and tossed aside old ideas about a
> negotiated peace settlement with Israel�s Arab neighbors.
>
> Rather than suffer the frustrations of negotiating a two-state
> solution to the Palestinian problem or dealing with the annoyance of
> Hezbollah in Lebanon, the neo-cons on Netanyahu�s team decided it was
> time for a bold new direction, which they outlined in a 1996 strategy
> paper, called �A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.
>
> The paper advanced the idea that only �regime change, in hostile
> Muslim countries could achieve the necessary �clean break, from the
> diplomatic standoffs that had followed inconclusive
> Israeli-Palestinian peace talks. Under this �clean break, Israel
> would no longer seek peace through compromise, but rather through
> confrontation, including the violent removal of leaders such as Saddam
> Hussein who were supportive of Israel�s close-in enemies.
>
> The plan called Hussein�s ouster �an important Israeli strategic
> objective in its own right, but also one that would destabilize the
> Assad dynasty in Syria and thus topple the power dominoes into
> Lebanon, where Hezbollah might soon find itself without its key Syrian
> ally. Iran also could find itself in the cross-hairs of �regime
> change.
>
> American Assistance
>
> But what the �clean break needed was the military might of the United
> States, since some of the targets like Iraq were too far away and too
> powerful to be defeated even by Israel�s highly efficient military.
> The cost in Israeli lives and to Israel�s economy from such overreach
> would have been staggering.
>
> In 1998, the U.S. neocon brain trust pushed the �clean break plan
> another step forward with the creation of the Project for the New
> American Century, which lobbied President Clinton to undertake the
> violent overthrow of Saddam Hussein.
>
> However, Clinton would only go so far, maintaining a harsh embargo on
> Iraq and enforcing a �no-fly zone which involved U.S. aircraft
> conducting periodic bombing raids. Still, with Clinton or his heir
> apparent, Al Gore, in the White House, a full-scale invasion of Iraq
> appeared out of the question.
>
> The first key political obstacle was removed when the neo- cons helped
> engineer George W. Bush�s ascension to the presidency in Election
> 2000. However, the path was not fully cleared until the Neo-Cons'
> terrorists attacked New York and Washington on Sept. 11, 2001, leaving
> behind a political climate across America favoring a war for Oil and Israel.
>
> Of course, Bush-43 had to first attack Afghanistan, where al-Qaeda
> maintained its principal base, but he then quickly pivoted to the
> Neo--cons' desired target, Iraq. Besides being home to the already
> demonized Saddam Hussein, Iraq had other strategic advantages. It was
> not as heavily populated as some of its neighbors yet it was
> positioned squarely between Iran and Syria, two other top targets.
>
> In those heady days of 2002-2003, a Neo-con joke posed the question of
> what to do after ousting Saddam Hussein in Iraq � whether to next go
> east to Iran or west to Syria. The punch-line was: �Real men go to
> Tehran..
>
> But first Iraq had to be vanquished, and this other agenda �
> restructuring the Middle East to make it safe for U.S. and Israeli
> interests � had to be played down, partly because average Americans
> might be skeptical and because expert Americans might have warned
> about the dangers from U.S. imperial overreach.
>
> So, Bush-43, Vice President Cheney and their Neo-Con advisers pushed
> the �hot button of the American people, still frightened by the
> horrors of 9/11. The bogus case was made that Saddam Hussein had
> stockpiles of WMD that he was ready to give to al-Qaeda so the
> terrorists could inflict even greater devastation on the U.S.
> homeland.
>
> Stampeding America
>
> The Neo-cons, some of whom grew up in families of left-wing
> Trotskyites, viewed themselves as a kind of a �vanguard party using
> �agit-prop to maneuver the American �proletariat. The WMD scare was
> seen as the best way to stampede the American herd. Then, the Neo-con
> thinking went, the military victory in Iraq would consolidate war
> support and permit implementation of the next phases toward �regime
> change in Iran and Syria.
>
> The plan seemed to be working early, as the U.S. military overwhelmed
> the beleaguered Iraqi army and captured Baghdad in three weeks.
> Bush-43 celebrated by landing on the USS Abraham Lincoln in a flight
> suit and delivering a speech beneath a banner reading �Mission
> Accomplished.�
>
> However, the plan began to go awry when neocon pro-consul Paul Bremer
> � in pursuit of a neocon model regime � got rid of Iraq�s governing
> infrastructure, dismantled much of the social safety net and disbanded
> the army. Then, the neocon-favored leader, exile Ahmed Chalabi, turned
> out to be a non-starter with the Iraqi people.
>
> An armed resistance emerged, using low-tech weapons such as
> �improvised explosive devices.� Soon, not only were thousands of
> American soldiers dying but ancient sectarian rivalries between
> Shiites and Sunnis began tearing Iraq apart. The scenes of chaotic
> violence were horrific.
>
> Rather than gaining in popularity with the American people, the war
> began to lose support, leading to Democratic gains in 2006. The
> neocons salvaged some of their status in 2007 by pushing the fiction
> of the �successful surge,� which supposedly had turned impending
> defeat into victory, but the truth was that the �surge� only delayed
> the inevitable failure of the U.S. enterprise.
>
> With George W. Bush�s departure in 2009 and the arrival of Barack
> Obama, the neocons retreated, too. Neocon influence waned within the
> Executive Branch, though neocons still maintained strongholds at
> Washington think tanks and on editorial pages of national news outlets
> like the Washington Post.
>
> New developments in the region also created new neocon hopes for their
> old agenda. The Arab Spring of 2011 led to civil unrest in Syria where
> the Assad dynasty � based in non-Sunni religious sects � was
> challenged by a Sunni-led insurgency which included some democratic
> reformers as well as radical jihadists.
>
> Meanwhile, in Iran, international opposition to its nuclear program
> prompted harsh economic sanctions. Though President Obama viewed the
> sanctions as leverage to compel Iran to accept limits on its nuclear
> program, some neocons were salivating over how to hijack the sanctions
> on behalf of �regime change.�
>
> However, in November 2012, Obama�s defeat of neocon favorite Mitt
> Romney and the departure of neocon ally, CIA Director David Petraeus,
> were sharp blows to the neocon plans of reclaiming the reins of U.S.
> foreign policy. Now, the neocons must see how they can leverage their
> continued influence over Washington�s opinion circles � and hope for
> advantageous developments abroad � to steer Obama toward more
> confrontational approaches with Iran and Syria.
>
> For the Neo-cons, it also remains crucial that average Americans don�t
> think too much about the why behind the disastrous Iraq War, a tenth
> anniversary that can�t pass quickly enough as far as the Neo-cons are
> concerned.
Soon , I hope we can just call them Cons. Convicts.


all of the above and the Neo-Cons wet dream to have their own OPEC.
EMPIRE!
--
Karma ; what a concept!

[HVAC]

On 4/5/2013 7:54 AM, Bast wrote:
>
> Nothing HIT building 7, yet it came down according to script, even if BBC
> announced the collapse 20 minutes too soon. they goofed up on the time
> difference between NYC and UK
>
> ...How many smoking guns do you need to get it through your head,...when
> everyone else already realizes OUR GOVERNMENT LIED THROUGH THEIR TEETH ABOUT
> 9/11, and everything since.

Ya! And the BBC was in on it too!


--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo

[Brad Guth]

"Just because the government lies, doesn't mean that everyone else is
telling the truth.” / Bast

“whoever controls the past, controls the future” / George Orwell

[joeturn]

> the status-quo norm of how modern buildings should fail?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Brad there was miles of elevator cable that simply disapeared.

The debris pile had no evidence of none of the things you say were in
the towers.So the towers were built as a shell to be the next excuse
for war or the gellatin crew stripped the towers getting them ready
for the domestic terror attack.

I know the top few floors were too small for even a midget to crawl
around in.

[joeturn]

> when they shoot us.http://www.ae911truth.org- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Bast the reason the truther groups have lost their punch is because
they or spinning yarns and are fixated on the existance of airplanes
striking the towers.

THERE WERE NO PLANES & NO DEAD PEOPLE a real truther movement without
the government shil influience would imediately point this out.

They promote the 911 actors and the loss of lives,they even have
actors representing them,claiming to have lost family members.They
even have Gross from NIST on there panel.

[BDK]

In article <d7623289-47a9-416c-b99f-af1e7faa1af1
@w2g2000pbw.googlegroups.com>, brad...@gmail.com says...

>
> On Apr 5, 7:57ï¿œam, "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> > BDK wrote:
> > > In article <8a1a6083-743d-4603-bec4-7330dc6e29b3
> > > @v8g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, parkstreetboo...@gmail.com says...
> >

> > >> On Apr 5, 12:32 am, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
> > >>> On 05/04/13 17:11, Warhol wrote:> Russian skyscraper engulfed in
> > >>> flames - magically does not implode
> > >>>> into it's own footprint like 9-11 towers
> >
> > >>> No 500knot+ 120 ton airliners involved
> >

> > >> You should read up on the subject. ï¿œArchitects and Engineers for 911

> > >> truth is a good start.
> >

> > > For laughs, but there's almost zero truth, or sanity there.
> >
> > Apparently you read the 9/11 fairytale report site then.
> >
> > TRY THIS LINKhttp://www.ae911truth.org
>
> BDK has problems whenever multiple red-flags and those pesky actual
> objective facts keep getting in the way of their oligarch ruse and
> FUD.

Got any, any at all evidence of any of these "multiple red-flags" you're
claiming?

Troofers like you have no "objective facts" at all, you have either very
unlikely claims, or impossible claims.


--
BDK- Head FUD-Master Blaster. Friend to all kOOkbashers.

[BDK]

In article <kjn421$h40$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...
>
> Brad Guth wrote:

> > On Apr 5, 7:57 am, "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> >> BDK wrote:
> >>> In article <8a1a6083-743d-4603-bec4-7330dc6e29b3
> >>> @v8g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, parkstreetboo...@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >>>> On Apr 5, 12:32 am, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On 05/04/13 17:11, Warhol wrote:> Russian skyscraper engulfed in
> >>>>> flames - magically does not implode
> >>>>>> into it's own footprint like 9-11 towers
> >>
> >>>>> No 500knot+ 120 ton airliners involved
> >>

> >>>> You should read up on the subject. Architects and Engineers for 911

> >>>> truth is a good start.
> >>
> >>> For laughs, but there's almost zero truth, or sanity there.
> >>
> >> Apparently you read the 9/11 fairytale report site then.
> >>
> >> TRY THIS LINKhttp://www.ae911truth.org
> >
> > BDK has problems whenever multiple red-flags and those pesky actual
> > objective facts keep getting in the way of their oligarch ruse and
> > FUD.
>
>
>

> BDK's only problem will come when those who keep promising him riches for
> supporting their 9/11 farytale,....won't answer their phone when they no
> longer need him, and he's getting dragged off in the middle of the night, to
> a FEMA camp.

BWHAHAHAHAHAH! You're the one who needs to worry about being drug off
someplace, and it's not to any "FEMA camp", it's going to be the looney
bin.

[BDK]

In article <84b5493c-3f0c-4920-99ac-15deb3912813
@vv8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, brad...@gmail.com says...
>
> On Apr 5, 4:50ï¿œpm, 1treePetrifiedForestLane <Space...@hotmail.com>

You really need to get off the drugs Brad.

[BDK]

In article <kjn3q4$fcl$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...
>
> BDK wrote:
> > In article <kjmok0$les$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...

> >>
> >> BDK wrote:
> >>> In article <8a1a6083-743d-4603-bec4-7330dc6e29b3

> >>> @v8g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, parkstre...@gmail.com says...

> >>>>
> >>>> On Apr 5, 12:32 am, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On 05/04/13 17:11, Warhol wrote:> Russian skyscraper engulfed in
> >>>>> flames - magically does not implode
> >>>>>> into it's own footprint like 9-11 towers
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No 500knot+ 120 ton airliners involved
> >>>>
> >>>> You should read up on the subject. Architects and Engineers for 911
> >>>> truth is a good start.
> >>>
> >>> For laughs, but there's almost zero truth, or sanity there.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Apparently you read the 9/11 fairytale report site then.
> >>
> >> TRY THIS LINK
> >> http://www.ae911truth.org
> >

> > No, I ead your troofer site. The fairy tales are all there. Only
> > gullible, ignorant troofers think "911 truth" has any real truth in it.
> > Sane people jut chuckle and wonder how a troofer stays out of the looney
> > bin.
>
>
>
> How does it feel to go to your "get the 9//11 kooks" meetings, and only 6 of
> you still show up. ?

Well, the only meeting I go to is called a radio club by sane people.
We're ham radio operators, we talk about radios most of the time, but
you troofers' (and other kOOks) posts have given us some laughs. Free
wifi gives sane people an almost unlimited ability to view the ramblings
of you insane people while we eat and talk about..radio.

You whackjobs are the best entertainment value in history.

[BDK]

In article <kjn364$a10$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...
>
> BDK wrote:
> > In article <kjmofl$khc$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...
> >>
> >> BDK wrote:
> >>> In article <ffdbcd11-3374-4c75-bfb4-
> >>> bbcb09...@z4g2000pbw.googlegroups.com>, brad...@gmail.com says...

> >>>>
> >>>> On Apr 4, 9:32 pm, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On 05/04/13 17:11, Warhol wrote:> Russian skyscraper engulfed in
> >>>>> flames - magically does not implode
> >>>>>> into it's own footprint like 9-11 towers
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No 500knot+ 120 ton airliners involved
> >>>>

> >>>> That 120 ton airliner was the average density of cotton candy going
> >>>> up against massive structural steel with considerable infrastructure.
> >>>
> >>> Come on Brad, even as batshit insane as you are, you know that's
> >>> Bullshit. It's one thing to be whacky, but to post something as dumb
> >>> as that, well, you disappoint me. You're a better kOOk than that.
> >>
> >>
> >>

> >> 9/11 was an inside job.

> >>
> >> Nothing HIT building 7, yet it came down according to script, even if
> >> BBC announced the collapse 20 minutes too soon. they goofed up on the
> >> time difference between NYC and UK
> >>
> >> ...How many smoking guns do you need to get it through your
> >> head,...when everyone else already realizes OUR GOVERNMENT LIED
> >> THROUGH THEIR TEETH ABOUT 9/11, and everything since.

> >> http://www.ae911truth.org
> >
> > WTC 1 hit WTC 7, you idiot. The only thing smoking is your ears, due to
> > you straining your brain trying to keep the troof alive. Too bad you
> > never used your brain all these years, maybe you could have saved
> > yourself and your family the embarrassment of being a troofer dupe.

>
>
>
>
>
> Oh really ???
> Show me videos of this building being hit.
> Or even all the damage AFTER it was hit, and before it fell, hours later.

Obvilusly, you've ignored the pics every other time a link has been
posted, but hey, why not one more time.


http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html

>
> Then explain why the police were ordered to evacuate the immediate area
> only minutes before WTC 7 turned to dust

So when the building is about to collapse, the police should have just
stood there, waiting? How insanely stupid are you?? By the way, it
didn't turn to dust, only troofers, gullible and dumb as a brick, think
it did. There's pics of that on the web too.

>
> YOU CAN'T,....that's the problem with the official 9/11 fairytale,....none
> of it really explains what happened that day.

All if it explains it, it's troof that doesn't make sense. You should
have paid attention in science class, and not taken so many hits to the
head.

[BDK]

In article <kjn3la$dt5$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...
>
> Brad Guth wrote:

> > On Apr 5, 7:54 am, "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> >> BDK wrote:
> >>> In article <ffdbcd11-3374-4c75-bfb4-

> >>> bbcb09042...@z4g2000pbw.googlegroups.com>, bradg...@gmail.com says...

> >>
> >>>> On Apr 4, 9:32 pm, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On 05/04/13 17:11, Warhol wrote:> Russian skyscraper engulfed in
> >>>>> flames - magically does not implode
> >>>>>> into it's own footprint like 9-11 towers
> >>
> >>>>> No 500knot+ 120 ton airliners involved
> >>
> >>>> That 120 ton airliner was the average density of cotton candy going
> >>>> up against massive structural steel with considerable infrastructure.
> >>
> >>> Come on Brad, even as batshit insane as you are, you know that's
> >>> Bullshit. It's one thing to be whacky, but to post something as dumb
> >>> as that, well, you disappoint me. You're a better kOOk than that.
> >>
> >> 9/11 was an inside job.
> >>
> >> Nothing HIT building 7, yet it came down according to script, even if
> >> BBC announced the collapse 20 minutes too soon. they goofed up on the
> >> time difference between NYC and UK
> >>
> >> ...How many smoking guns do you need to get it through your
> >> head,...when everyone else already realizes OUR GOVERNMENT LIED
> >> THROUGH THEIR TEETH ABOUT 9/11, and everything
> >> since.http://www.ae911truth.org
> >

> > Being that all redneck ZNR/GOP types are genetically red-flag
> > colorblind as well as badly nearsighted and thereby as equally deaf
> > and dumb when it comes down to noticing those extra explosives blowing
> > out windows and thus bringing down relatively modern and structurally
> > robust buildings safely and very precisely within their own footprint,
> > whereas it's kinda amazing they can manage to safely get themselves
> > out of bed, much less keep from falling off their toilet seat.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yup, but on the bright side at least BDK being a paid government stoolie,
> proves those who were actually behind 9/11 still are worried they have to
> keep hiding the truth.

LOL, such insanity in one little bit of text.


> It would be far worse if they readily admitted it, and knew no one could
> ever prosecute them,....or just a mob string them up.

when they prosecute people for being sane, I'll plead guilty. You'll
never have to worry about that. You need to worry about a competancy
hearing.

[BDK]

In article <393f0626-b6a6-4f5e-906f-8de7465baf16@
9g2000pba.googlegroups.com>, brad...@gmail.com says...
>
> On Apr 5, 12:14ï¿œpm, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:

> > On 06/04/13 01:37, BDK wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > In article <ffdbcd11-3374-4c75-bfb4-
> > > bbcb09042...@z4g2000pbw.googlegroups.com>, bradg...@gmail.com says...
> >
> > >> On Apr 4, 9:32 pm, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
> > >>> On 05/04/13 17:11, Warhol wrote:> Russian skyscraper engulfed in flames - magically does not implode
> > >>>> into it's own footprint like 9-11 towers
> >

> > >>> ￜ ￜNo 500knot+ 120 ton airliners involved

> >
> > >> That 120 ton airliner was the average density of cotton candy going up
> > >> against massive structural steel with considerable infrastructure.
> >
> > > Come on Brad, even as batshit insane as you are, you know that's
> > > Bullshit. It's one thing to be whacky, but to post something as dumb as
> > > that, well, you disappoint me. You're a better kOOk than that.
> >

> > I suppose he thinks that 120 ton of cotton candy moving at 500 knots
> > weighs less than a 120 ton aircraft moving at 500 knots ...
> > Also WTF has infrastructure got to do with anything ???????
>
> Each WTC structure was densely packed with massive plumbing,
> distribution transformers, wiring and HVAC infrastructure, in addition
> to all of their fancy marble rock decor and considerable unregulated
> inventory (including massive safes and high security files weighing
> tonnes each) contributed by the clients.
>
> Are you actually suggesting that sequentially timed window blowouts
> from internal explosions for no apparent good reason(s), are simply
> the status-quo norm of how modern buildings should fail?

So much craziness in one post. Wow, you keep proving you're batshit
crazy. I love it.

[BDK]

In article <3bb96d20-fc34-4118-9f3e-
c9e99b...@j9g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, mol...@hotmail.com says...

>
> On Apr 5, 9:14ï¿œpm, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
> > On 06/04/13 01:37, BDK wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > In article <ffdbcd11-3374-4c75-bfb4-
> > > bbcb09042...@z4g2000pbw.googlegroups.com>, bradg...@gmail.com says...
> >
> > >> On Apr 4, 9:32 pm, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
> > >>> On 05/04/13 17:11, Warhol wrote:> Russian skyscraper engulfed in flames - magically does not implode
> > >>>> into it's own footprint like 9-11 towers
> >

> > >>> ￜ ￜNo 500knot+ 120 ton airliners involved

> >
> > >> That 120 ton airliner was the average density of cotton candy going up
> > >> against massive structural steel with considerable infrastructure.
> >
> > > Come on Brad, even as batshit insane as you are, you know that's
> > > Bullshit. It's one thing to be whacky, but to post something as dumb as
> > > that, well, you disappoint me. You're a better kOOk than that.
> >
> > I suppose he thinks that 120 ton of cotton candy moving at 500 knots
> > weighs less than a 120 ton aircraft moving at 500 knots ...
> > Also WTF has infrastructure got to do with anything ???????
>
>

> SO you admit you're a retard? since when does aluminum cut steel.

>
> Retard, you are. The buildings were built to sustain huge stresses,
> ESPECIALLY airliners crashing on them.
>
> And I don't know where hitting the top of the towers can destroy the
> whole structure enough so that building crumbles at free-fall speed!
>
> FAIL...

You don't know, because you're stupid.

[Bast]

So you think photoshop brought down WTC building 7 ????

Here's live footage.
A lesson in OBSERVATION
That building didn't crack and fall over on it's side,....it vaporized

http://youtu.be/Zv7BImVvEyk


Now go here, and beg forgiveness

http://www.ae911truth.org

[Bast]

BDK wrote:
> In article <d7623289-47a9-416c-b99f-af1e7faa1af1
> @w2g2000pbw.googlegroups.com>, brad...@gmail.com says...
>>

>> On Apr 5, 7:57 am, "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>> BDK wrote:
>>>> In article <8a1a6083-743d-4603-bec4-7330dc6e29b3
>>>> @v8g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, parkstreetboo...@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>>>> On Apr 5, 12:32 am, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/04/13 17:11, Warhol wrote:> Russian skyscraper engulfed in
>>>>>> flames - magically does not implode
>>>>>>> into it's own footprint like 9-11 towers
>>>
>>>>>> No 500knot+ 120 ton airliners involved
>>>

>>>>> You should read up on the subject. Architects and Engineers for 911

>>>>> truth is a good start.
>>>
>>>> For laughs, but there's almost zero truth, or sanity there.
>>>
>>> Apparently you read the 9/11 fairytale report site then.
>>>
>>> TRY THIS LINKhttp://www.ae911truth.org
>>
>> BDK has problems whenever multiple red-flags and those pesky actual
>> objective facts keep getting in the way of their oligarch ruse and
>> FUD.
>
> Got any, any at all evidence of any of these "multiple red-flags" you're
> claiming?
>
> Troofers like you have no "objective facts" at all, you have either very
> unlikely claims, or impossible claims.

No claims at all,.....we let the facts do our arguing for us.
When people look at the facts and not the official fairytale,...9/11 gets
VERY SCARY when you see who is covering things up.

I'm a bit surprised you being in a ham radio club would not have heard some
of the police/fire departments radio chatter that went on that day.
They were ordered to vacate and clear the area of WTC7 for hours before it
"suddenly" came down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9CXQY-bZn4

No signs of a plane at the pentagon by an eyewitness there that morning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFz7gLz7CVk

And the day BEFORE 9/11 Rumsfeld announces over 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS missing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhh-nV-E7Mc

And OOPS,...all the records were in the pentagon, AND WTC 7,......ask
yourself WHY, and how nice it was for someone for those records to disappear



http://www.ae911truth.org

[Bast]

BDK wrote:
> In article <3bb96d20-fc34-4118-9f3e-
> c9e99b...@j9g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, mol...@hotmail.com says...
>>

>> On Apr 5, 9:14 pm, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
>>> On 06/04/13 01:37, BDK wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> In article <ffdbcd11-3374-4c75-bfb4-
>>>> bbcb09042...@z4g2000pbw.googlegroups.com>, bradg...@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>>>> On Apr 4, 9:32 pm, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/04/13 17:11, Warhol wrote:> Russian skyscraper engulfed in
>>>>>> flames - magically does not implode
>>>>>>> into it's own footprint like 9-11 towers
>>>

>>>>>> No 500knot+ 120 ton airliners involved
>>>
>>>>> That 120 ton airliner was the average density of cotton candy going
>>>>> up against massive structural steel with considerable
>>>>> infrastructure.
>>>
>>>> Come on Brad, even as batshit insane as you are, you know that's
>>>> Bullshit. It's one thing to be whacky, but to post something as dumb
>>>> as that, well, you disappoint me. You're a better kOOk than that.
>>>
>>> I suppose he thinks that 120 ton of cotton candy moving at 500 knots
>>> weighs less than a 120 ton aircraft moving at 500 knots ...
>>> Also WTF has infrastructure got to do with anything ???????
>>
>>
>> SO you admit you're a retard? since when does aluminum cut steel.
>>
>> Retard, you are. The buildings were built to sustain huge stresses,
>> ESPECIALLY airliners crashing on them.
>>
>> And I don't know where hitting the top of the towers can destroy the
>> whole structure enough so that building crumbles at free-fall speed!
>>
>> FAIL...
>
> You don't know, because you're stupid.

Ahh yes,....the "kook bashers" credo,....when logic fails you , resort to
name calling.

[Michael Moroney]

"Bast" <fake...@nomail.invalid> writes:

>Nothing HIT building 7,

...except a collapsing skyscraper 1 block away, which dropped beams on it
from as much as 110 storeys high. According to the FDNY there was a huge
gouge about 1/3 the way in on the south side and the building was bulging.
They knew it was going to collapse.


stoopid kooktards...

[Bast]

I agree.
The truth movement has been filled by paid whacko's,......
It's a standard propaganda ploy.

But TRUE TRUTHERS do not have all the answers,....we are only asking
questions, about how so much evidence was never part of the 9/11
investigation.
And mainly why so much of the investigation was at "closed door" sessions.

And mainly WHY,...G.W. Bush, and Cheney, refused to give their testimony
under oath ???? Or publicly ????

Are we worried that Bin Laden was a CIA spook, and have to hide things under
"US government security" ?


This is why groups like Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth,... are only
asking for a NEW & OPEN INVESTIGATION of what happened that day.

http://www.ae911truth.org

[BDK]

In article <kjpecc$fr1$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...

BWHAHAHAHAHAH!Amazing ly gullible is what you are, you poor kOOk.

[BDK]

In article <kjpd9s$8gb$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...

Why do you troofers have to keep lying? It did nothing close to
"vaporizing".

>
>
> Now go here, and beg forgiveness
>
> http://www.ae911truth.org

Sane people like me only go to troof pages for amusement. Only a
gullible loon would take a troofer page seriously. Well, maybe a mental
health professional would.

[BDK]

In article <kjpf3l$kta$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...

It's just a simple fact, you are too stupid to understand. It's the
truth, real truth, unlike "911 truth", which is 99% nonsense, .8 percent
exaggeration, and maybe, on a good day, .2% true.

[Brad Guth]

On Apr 6, 8:02 am, "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> BDK wrote:

> > In article <kjn364$a1...@dont-email.me>, faken...@nomail.invalid says...
>
> >> BDK wrote:
> >>> In article <kjmofl$kh...@dont-email.me>, faken...@nomail.invalid

> >>> says...
>
> >>>> BDK wrote:
> >>>>> In article <ffdbcd11-3374-4c75-bfb4-

> >>>>> bbcb09042...@z4g2000pbw.googlegroups.com>, bradg...@gmail.com

The likes of BDK couldn't be more complicit with creating and/or
allowing 911, unless he/she was piloting one of the aircraft.

Without the likes of BDK, puppet warlords like Hitler would have
fallen flat within weeks or at most months of their global domination
quest, and the all-white Zionist upper-caste Jews would have once
again been extremely disappointed that their secret political
collaboration for the faith-based part of global domination, didn't
work nearly as good as they'd planned.

[Brad Guth]

> >> away, when they shoot us.http://www.ae911truth.org-Hide quoted text -

>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Bast the reason the truther groups have lost their punch is because
> > they or spinning yarns and are fixated on the existance of airplanes
> > striking the towers.
>
> > THERE WERE NO PLANES & NO DEAD PEOPLE a real truther movement without
> > the government shil influience would imediately point this out.
>
> > They promote the 911 actors and the loss of lives,they even have
> > actors representing them,claiming to have lost family members.They
> > even have Gross from NIST on there panel.
>
> I agree.
> The truth movement has been filled by paid whacko's,......
> It's a standard propaganda ploy.
>
> But TRUE TRUTHERS do not have all the answers,....we are only asking
> questions, about how so much evidence was never part of the 9/11
> investigation.
> And mainly why so much of the investigation was at "closed door" sessions.
>
> And mainly WHY,...G.W. Bush, and Cheney, refused to give their testimony
> under oath ????  Or publicly ????
>
> Are we worried that Bin Laden was a CIA spook, and have to hide things under
> "US government security" ?
>
> This is why groups like Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth,... are only
> asking for a NEW & OPEN INVESTIGATION of what happened that day.
>
> http://www.ae911truth.org

Don't forget about WTC insurance fraud (accommodated by GE) that needs
to be openly investigated.

The replacement cost-overruns in addition to the estimated 3+ billion
dollar WTC loss, is now going to exceed another 6 billion over the
past 5 years, not including the actual multitrillion dollar cost of
9/11 that's obviously still ongoing and directly benefiting mostly
those of upper-caste oligarchs.

That's roughly an ongoing cost overrun of more than a billion dollars
per year.

In order to affordably rent/lease the new and improved space within
the replacement highrise structure, is going to have to be state and
federally subsidized for decades, if not forever.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/audit-slams-port-authority-skyrocketing-cost-world-trade-center-article-1.1018722

"Feb 7, 2012 – The projected cost of rebuilding the World Trade
Center has skyrocketed to $14.8 billion — a leap of nearly $4 billion
in four years"

Once completed at roughly more than ten times the cost of "the world's
tallest tower, in Dubai, has put its cost at $1.5 billion", is there
anyone on Earth that could honestly afford to use its fortified space
without their being public subsidized?

[Brad Guth]

On Apr 6, 8:21 am, "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> BDK wrote:

> > In article <d7623289-47a9-416c-b99f-af1e7faa1af1
> > @w2g2000pbw.googlegroups.com>, bradg...@gmail.com says...

> No signs of a plane at the pentagon by an eyewitness there that morninghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFz7gLz7CVk
>
> And the day BEFORE 9/11 Rumsfeld announces over 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS missinghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhh-nV-E7Mc

>
> And OOPS,...all the records were in the pentagon, AND WTC 7,......ask
> yourself WHY, and how nice it was for someone for those records to disappear
>
> http://www.ae911truth.org

Plus any number of massive safes loaded with gold and other extremely
valuable items got a free ticket to ride, of an accounting reset to
suit whatever the mostly oligarch authorities were supposed to be in
charge of safekeeping. Makes Ponzi Madoff and his Zionist SEC
partners seem like a petty nickel-dime thief.

[Brad Guth]

Machinery spaces between floors were offering much less headroom, but
yes indeed there was plenty of massive building infrastructure that
seemed to vanish. Those original WTC structures were extremely space
and energy inefficient, as well as holding up considerable live
overloading issues, and the only possible buyer at clearly way above
fair market value was GE.

[george152]

On 06/04/13 16:25, Warhol wrote:
> On Apr 6, 5:07 am, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
>> On 06/04/13 12:08, Warhol wrote:
>>
>>> SO you admit you're a retard since when does aluminum cut steel.

>>
>>> Retard, you are. The buildings were built to sustain huge stresses,
>>> ESPECIALLY airliners crashing on them.
>>
>>> And I don't know where hitting the top of the towers can destroy the
>>> whole structure enough so that building crumbles at free-fall speed!
>>

>> Why do you advertise your ignorance?
>> Is it a thing of some pride with nazis that they are totally devoid of
>> technical knowledge ?
>
>
> You:
> http://youtu.be/vHSNZK4Je-Y
>
Be a devil and answer the question just to amuse the lurkers

[george152]

On 07/04/13 02:01, joeturn wrote:

> I know the top few floors were too small for even a midget to crawl
> around in.
>

You'll now be able to explain to us as to how those 'few top floors'
were constructed and who by :)
Your kookiness is getting crazier by the day

[Warhol]

wow you parrot can repeat words without understanding the true
sense... terrible!!!

Never forget the past is ruled by the Moorish people and so the
future, so Above as Below.

The present is under my control and yesterday is under my Gran'Da'Dy
controls... So the Day after Tomorrow is mine and mine alone... and
those I don't like, I send to the lake of fire...

http://youtu.be/je46knC5Eq4

Last word of Warholian wisdom: better surrender NOW or else my
Gran'Da'Dy wrath Tomorrow. And this for your sins of The Past, The
Present and The Future... How many civilization have we moors see come
and go... But I am always here.

BTW NEVER FORGET YOUR GOVERNMENT DOES NOTHING THAN LIE... WHILE I TELL
NOTHING THAN THE TRUTH.

http://www.psalters.com/Images/Project%20Images/BlackHands.jpg

[Warhol]

what question joe???

http://wotbn.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/BlackHandinsertFRONT_edited.jpg

[Brad Guth]

Actually most governments tell the truth most of the time, except of
course whenever telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth
makes them look bad or foolish.

[Tony Dragon]

Do please give us the details about this gold.

[Brad Guth]

Wish I could, but perhaps others can help to disclose those amounts
that were supposedly stored for us and others.

You do realize that the Germans have been asking for several years, as
to a full accounting and the return of a substantial portion of their
gold reserves that we've supposedly been safekeeping for them. So far
at least, it seems the New York Federal Reserve has not provided that.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/16/why-germany-wants-its-674-tons-of-gold-back/

So much for trusting Americans. Perhaps those Germans should have
entrusted Russians or even China for the safekeeping of their spare
gold.

[Warhol]

They have played you for a fool...

I turned them off... no truth is found in them.

Period.

They lie and brainwash you by entertainment of various kinds:
political entertainment; religious entertainment; sex and violence
entertainment; sports, music, dancing, celebrity, gossip
entertainment, bad education, fake history, lunatic tails etc. etc.

They are not only the Enemy of the western world, they are an Enemy of
the Moral Law, the Enemy of Truth; it is the Enemy of every human
person on the face of the earth, even themselves. The Politicians are
not merely homicidal; its suicidal.

The ultimate goal is the extermination of the vast majority of the
human race.

We Are All Well Aware...

No matter how much pressure you put on them, they'll keep lying ans
spinning the information. The solution is a hammer in their heads or a
rope on their necks PERIOD! Penalty for treason is life in jail... no,
not kill them... someday they may start tell the truth, if you know
how to build up the right pressure on this snakes.

http://cdn.tripwiremagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/54482-black-hand-vector-free-vector-of-the-day-251.jpg

[Warhol]

9-11 WTC Biggest Gold Heist in History: $300 Billion in Bars

http://youtu.be/BkPRskciqVM

heh, something missing in the brain?

[Carolina Reb]

On Apr 6, 8:21 am, "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>
>

> And OOPS,...all the records were in the pentagon, AND WTC 7,......ask
> yourself WHY, and how nice it was for someone for those records to disappear
>
> http://www.ae911truth.org

Richard Gage came here for a speaking engagement addressing these
issues. I had known even by then that the WTC was a Yid/Shabboz-
Goy inside job. However, Gage demonstrated how I and others
can personally participate in bringing these criminals to justice by
opening a new and independent investigation with subpoena so that
Yids like Silverstein can't go slipping out the back door to Israel.
I became a supporting member of A&E Truth and have been so since
that time! Richard Gage is right on!

[Bast]

See,...there you go again.
No logic or facts, just childish insults.

[Bast]

Oh I understand,...all too well.
You are a typical American Sheeple, who would rather pretend your government
is not screwing you into the ground, than admit the truth.
More comonnly called, living in DENIAL.

...Let me know when you realize the economy has tanked and we are in a
depression.

[Brad Guth]

On Apr 6, 5:37 pm, "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> BDK wrote:

> > In article <kjpf3l$kt...@dont-email.me>, faken...@nomail.invalid says...

>
> >> BDK wrote:
> >>> In article <3bb96d20-fc34-4118-9f3e-

> >>> c9e99bb25...@j9g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, mol...@hotmail.com says...

BDK has his/her public funded job with COL insurance, thus covering
his/her butt no matters how inflated or unemployed everything gets for
the rest of us.

[BDK]

In article <42928fb7-bb19-4488-a84b-8619be73e032
@i5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, brad...@gmail.com says...

> > >> only minutes before WTC 7 ï¿œturned to dust

> >
> > > So when the building is about to collapse, the police should have just
> > > stood there, waiting? How insanely stupid are you?? By the way, it
> > > didn't turn to dust, only troofers, gullible and dumb as a brick, think
> > > it did. There's pics of that on the web too.
> >
> > >> YOU CAN'T,....that's the problem with the official 9/11
> > >> fairytale,....none of it really explains what happened that day.
> >
> > > All if it explains it, it's troof that doesn't make sense. You should
> > > have paid attention in science class, and not taken so many hits to the
> > > head.
> >

> > So you think photoshop brought down WTC building 7 ￜ????

> >
> > Here's live footage.
> > A lesson in OBSERVATION
> > That building didn't crack and fall over on it's side,....it vaporized
> >
> > http://youtu.be/Zv7BImVvEyk
> >
> > Now go here, and beg forgiveness
> >
> > http://www.ae911truth.org
>
> The likes of BDK couldn't be more complicit with creating and/or
> allowing 911, unless he/she was piloting one of the aircraft.
>
> Without the likes of BDK, puppet warlords like Hitler would have
> fallen flat within weeks or at most months of their global domination
> quest, and the all-white Zionist upper-caste Jews would have once
> again been extremely disappointed that their secret political
> collaboration for the faith-based part of global domination, didn't
> work nearly as good as they'd planned.

I love it when a kOOk elevates me up in their imaginary conspiracies.

Awesome insanity.

[BDK]

In article <3ebe22b5-0959-485f-9209-0910bfd7d305
@y9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, mol...@hotmail.com says...

Yes, we know there's obviously something missing in your brain.

About half of it, I would guess.

[BDK]

In article <kjqf08$8df$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...

The only denial going on from you, denying the obvious fact that you're
deranged, and pretty stupid too.

>
> ...Let me know when you realize the economy has tanked and we are in a
> depression.

Funny, most people I know are doing ok. Better than 5 years ago, for
sure. Me included.

[BDK]

In article <5c84a2b1-66b4-4a4d-89a2-0824056bd075
@b20g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>, brad...@gmail.com says...

What is "COL insurance", Brad?

BTW, I work for no government agency, I'm just sane.

[Tony Dragon]

So that would be a 'I don't have any details or proof' then.

[Tony Dragon]

"According to Wikipedia". "rumour has it".

[Bast]

Turned to dust, is close enough to vaporizing as you can get.

AGAIN,....look at the thread topic.
Steel framed buildings the world over, NEVER HAVE CRUMPLED FROM
FIRE,......except in NYC on 9/11 where it happened 3 times in one day.

>
>>
>>
>> Now go here, and beg forgiveness
>>
>> http://www.ae911truth.org
>
> Sane people like me only go to troof pages for amusement. Only a
> gullible loon would take a troofer page seriously. Well, maybe a mental
> health professional would.

YOU,....should avoid ANY 9/11 sites.
...Just spend your time pulling intercom pranks at your local walmart, and
be happy in your ignorance

[Bast]

Michael Moroney wrote:
> "Bast" <fake...@nomail.invalid> writes:
>
>> Nothing HIT building 7,
>
> ...except a collapsing skyscraper 1 block away, which dropped beams on
> it from as much as 110 storeys high. According to the FDNY there was a
> huge gouge about 1/3 the way in on the south side and the building was
> bulging. They knew it was going to collapse.
>
>
> stoopid kooktards...


NO,...you are 100% wrong.
If you have proof, post it here.
If not, and you just heard that somewhere,...go away.

[Bast]

Oh, I'm sure you see nothing wrong.
In your world, are there rainbows everywhere you look ?

I'm glad you know the people who claim to be laid-off, can barely afford
groceries, had to sell their cars with $4.00+ gas costs, and losing their
homes are also "kooktards"

[Bast]

BDK wrote:
> In article <kjpecc$fr1$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...
>>
>> BDK wrote:
>>> In article <d7623289-47a9-416c-b99f-af1e7faa1af1
>>> @w2g2000pbw.googlegroups.com>, brad...@gmail.com says...

>>>>
>>>> On Apr 5, 7:57 am, "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> BDK wrote:
>>>>>> In article <8a1a6083-743d-4603-bec4-7330dc6e29b3
>>>>>> @v8g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, parkstreetboo...@gmail.com says...
>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Apr 5, 12:32 am, george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 05/04/13 17:11, Warhol wrote:> Russian skyscraper engulfed in
>>>>>>>> flames - magically does not implode
>>>>>>>>> into it's own footprint like 9-11 towers
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No 500knot+ 120 ton airliners involved
>>>>>

>>>>>>> You should read up on the subject. Architects and Engineers for
>>>>>>> 911 truth is a good start.
>>>>>
>>>>>> For laughs, but there's almost zero truth, or sanity there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently you read the 9/11 fairytale report site then.
>>>>>
>>>>> TRY THIS LINKhttp://www.ae911truth.org
>>>>
>>>> BDK has problems whenever multiple red-flags and those pesky actual
>>>> objective facts keep getting in the way of their oligarch ruse and
>>>> FUD.
>>>
>>> Got any, any at all evidence of any of these "multiple red-flags"
>>> you're claiming?
>>>
>>> Troofers like you have no "objective facts" at all, you have either
>>> very unlikely claims, or impossible claims.
>>
>>
>>
>> No claims at all,.....we let the facts do our arguing for us.
>> When people look at the facts and not the official fairytale,...9/11
>> gets VERY SCARY when you see who is covering things up.
>>
>> I'm a bit surprised you being in a ham radio club would not have heard
>> some of the police/fire departments radio chatter that went on that
>> day.
>> They were ordered to vacate and clear the area of WTC7 for hours
>> before it "suddenly" came down
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9CXQY-bZn4
>>
>> No signs of a plane at the pentagon by an eyewitness there that morning
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFz7gLz7CVk
>>
>> And the day BEFORE 9/11 Rumsfeld announces over 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS

>> missing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhh-nV-E7Mc

>>
>> And OOPS,...all the records were in the pentagon, AND WTC 7,......ask
>> yourself WHY, and how nice it was for someone for those records to
>> disappear
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.ae911truth.org
>

> BWHAHAHAHAHAH!Amazing ly gullible is what you are, you poor kOOk.




Not a problem
I'm sure if I tell you the sun rises in the east, you would still call me a
"kook", and tell me the sun is not even real.

[Brad Guth]

> >  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/16/why-german...

>
> >   So much for trusting Americans.  Perhaps those Germans should have
> > entrusted Russians or even China for the safekeeping of their spare
> > gold.
>
> So that would be a 'I don't have any details or proof' then.

Obviously those Russians are just way better engineers and builders of
highrise structures, and thus do not need to obfuscate/exclude
anything that might suggest complicit skulduggery.

Why did our topic bother you so much, that you had to show up?

Are you saying that all gold and other high-valued items within the
hands and/or authority of our privately owned and oligarch controlled
Federal Reserve, is fully accounted for?

In other words; where's the independent audit that you'd need in order
to back that up?

[Brad Guth]

On Apr 7, 4:14 am, "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> BDK wrote:

> > In article <kjqf08$8d...@dont-email.me>, faken...@nomail.invalid says...
>
> >> BDK wrote:
> >>> In article <kjpf3l$kt...@dont-email.me>, faken...@nomail.invalid

> >>> says...
>
> >>>> BDK wrote:
> >>>>> In article <3bb96d20-fc34-4118-9f3e-

> >>>>> c9e99bb25...@j9g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, mol...@hotmail.com

BDK, Hagar and their ENRON, plus BP are an all-white team effort of
their redneck ZNR/GOP screwing humanity for all it's worth, so it's
perfectly understandable to see their status quo actions/reactions and
obfuscation here in these public Usenet/newsgroups.

[BDK]

In article <kjrkac$rmd$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...

Hardly, but it's nothing like what my dad went though about 1930 or so.

>
> I'm glad you know the people who claim to be laid-off, can barely afford
> groceries, had to sell their cars with $4.00+ gas costs, and losing their
> homes are also "kooktards"

Typical kOOk leap of insanity where you connect my ridicule of troofery
and your other ravings with people who are hurting financially.
Interesting how your "faculties" function, or maor accurately, fail to
function in a sane manner.

[Brad Guth]

On Apr 6, 8:42 am, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
wrote:

> "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid> writes:
> >Nothing HIT building 7,
>
> ...except a collapsing skyscraper 1 block away, which dropped beams on it
> from as much as 110 storeys high.  According to the FDNY there was a huge
> gouge about 1/3 the way in on the south side and the building was bulging.
> They knew it was going to collapse.
>
> stoopid kooktards...

Is that why those windows got sequentially blown out?

[BDK]

In article <kjrjsv$p4s$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...

Why do you keep lying and claim it turned to "dust", etc, when there are
pics of the debris showing nothing like that occurred? Why do you
troofers have to keep lying about what happened on 911?

>
> AGAIN,....look at the thread topic.
> Steel framed buildings the world over, NEVER HAVE CRUMPLED FROM
> FIRE,......except in NYC on 9/11 where it happened 3 times in one day.
>
>

Sure they have, one used to be about 300 yards from where I sit. Bad
location for fire fighting, fuel inside, lots of burnable stuff, and 10
bleow zero basically kept the firemen from doing anything but watch it
burn. It didn't take long to come down.

>
>
>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Now go here, and beg forgiveness
> >>
> >> http://www.ae911truth.org
> >
> > Sane people like me only go to troof pages for amusement. Only a
> > gullible loon would take a troofer page seriously. Well, maybe a mental
> > health professional would.
>
>
>
> YOU,....should avoid ANY 9/11 sites.
> ...Just spend your time pulling intercom pranks at your local walmart, and
> be happy in your ignorance

You must be the happiest person on Earth.

[BDK]

In article <kjrks0$uv6$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...

We aren't posting about what direction the sun rises in, we are posting
about the tragedy that being a troofer is. It's a trgedy because it
shows:

1. The mental health system worldwide, but in the US it's especially
bad.
2. Your teachers lack of competancy.
3. Your parents ignoring your mental issues and not trying to get you
help.

[BDK]

In article <e6191b8d-78b9-4d6c-a146-
90dc06...@y12g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, brad...@gmail.com says...

> > groceries, had to sell their cars with $4.00+ gas costs, ï¿œand losing their

> > homes are also "kooktards"
>
> BDK, Hagar and their ENRON, plus BP are an all-white team effort of
> their redneck ZNR/GOP screwing humanity for all it's worth, so it's
> perfectly understandable to see their status quo actions/reactions and
> obfuscation here in these public Usenet/newsgroups.

Good to see the crazy hasn't lessened up in you Brad.