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Heinrich Mueller

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Mar 4, 2005, 3:27:25 AM3/4/05
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An organization dedicated to helping French Jews immigrate to Israel
was launched.
The Ami Fund was founded by French Jewish philanthropist Pierre
Besnainou, who donated $1.5 million to start it. Ami Fund representatives
said at a news conference in Jerusalem on Thursday that they hoped to help
as many as 30,000 new French immigrants in the next five years. Like Nefesh
B'Nefesh, the North American organization that helps facilitate aliyah in
partnership with the Jewish Agency for Israel, the Ami Fund plans to help
immigrants both financially and professionally as they make their transition
into Israeli society.

According to research presented at the news conference, more than 75
percent of French teenagers who visited Israel in 2004 do not see their
future in France. In part because of rising anti-Semitism, 7,000 Jews have
emigrated from France to Israel during the past three years


Robert Cohen

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Mar 4, 2005, 10:26:02 AM3/4/05
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re: Israel as refuge for French Jews

The dynamics within the dilemma confronting the third or fourth (?)
largest Jewish population in the World are truly stark harshness 2005

Non-Jews could not fully understand what a Jewish person feels about
leaving one's country of origin steeped in culturation

I suppose there will be novels, movies and plays forthcoming to express
the experience, though nothing really could since each person's/family
experience & circumstance differs

When a Jew would actually vote (five percent?) for a Rightist Jew-Hater
for the feeling of security/protection from fear, then ...

Reality is truly absurdity

Heinrich Mueller

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> re: Israel as refuge for French Jews
tell me what makes you so special that we could not understand it do you
have a different kind of brains ?


DanielAlbe...@yahoo.com

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Mar 4, 2005, 2:04:35 PM3/4/05
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I agree. An old jewish woman said she doesn't understand jews these
days. They no longer believe in the Lord it seemed to her. Nowadays
they've exchanged God for jews. Jews for jews.
Society never has made sense. It goes in cycles like a
pendulum. One extreme to the opposite extreme.
Since the Nazis regime of Adof Hitler demonized jews
in order to keep communism out of Europe. It iseems perfectly
reasonable for every Rabbi to exclude the human race from the defunct
german supremacy idea to the current active jewish supremacy idea.
Thus without realizing it Zionism commits the same error as Naziism.
Nazis didn't accept anyone jew or otherwise who
disagreed with Nazis ideology, and make no mistake, as a reaction to
Russian Communism, it was just as perverse an ideology as Communism.
Nowadays Zionism, demonizes anybody who is critical of Zionism. Naziism
and Zionism are two sides of one coin.
Unfortunately, kids need an education if they are to
begin to even understand the real world. We all know that what a thing
is defined academically doesn't always play out in the real world.
Academic feminism sounds great. In the real world, away from academia,
it seems to be promoting every thing feminine against the male and what
represents masculinity- even manhood.
Clinton reduced the military. Bush is building it back
up. The way I see it the best thing is to expose inconsistencies so
that everyone can begin to understand what they have always known. That
the world is a very complex place, and trying to solve foreign and
societal problems through a combination of violence and ignorance leads
to promoting even more violence and fanatical ignorance to combat those
problems.
Jews since Hitler's Nazi Party have put themselves
above criticism. They are still reacting to defunct Naziism, and the
deceptive belief that 300 or more jewish intellectuals had nothing to
do with Christian Russia in 1917. It's always the innocent jew that
suffers. The Elie Weisels who spend a life time promoting hating
humanity at large for the "holocaust" in which he suffered as an
innocent child. He'll never understand that Russian Communism brought
on the "holocaust. Naziism was actually seen as a bulwark against
Communism. As bizarre as that sounds today. Lindbergh and others made
historical asses of themselves as a result of not perceiving the
powerful and perverse force of ideology divorced from a Just and
Providential God - the God of George Washington and all Americans.
While every Rabbi refuses to accept the failure to admit Communism is a
failed system and it did in fact destroy Chrstian Tzarist Russia in
1917. At a time when the Russian population was 80% peasant and
illiterate.
It's a shame that jews cannot see themselves with
the same clarity that the whole world sees them. Zionism v. Naziism two
sides same coin. Communism the one against the other.
Zionism is defined in academia as a political
ideology. Consider that Christianity and Judaism are religious
ideologies.
Nazism, a political ideology, forced Christian
Germany to serve its secular ideology.
Zionism demands no less of judaism.

Montesquiou

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Mar 4, 2005, 2:04:26 PM3/4/05
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> An organization dedicated to helping French Jews immigrate to Israel
> was launched.
As you know, around 70 % of them come back.
I once asked one friend why ?
The hate, he said, the hate. "You have no idea what is the hate of the
Orthodox against us". !?!?
In fact, the French education is very unfair for those who like to live in
comunity.
At school they learned that they are French, first. It is why the religion
is not very important for them.


DanielAlbe...@yahoo.com

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Mar 4, 2005, 2:57:54 PM3/4/05
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Montesquiou, Christians all around the world, Montesquiou, respect a
people's culture. It stands to reason that french culture is the
culture of France. Whereas if you are Muslim or Jew you have your
religion as a part of your own being, and it is not natural for either
muslims or jews to separate themselves from religion. Renouncing your
religious beliefs is the easy way. It's the Godless communist way. It's
the wrong way.
Since you live in a democratic society that allows you liberty, such as
France in Europe, than you have to recognize that the peace of that
society that you live in common demands that you adhere to the high
principles of your religious beliefs and express those religious
beliefs as the highest ideals to which you aspire in a society where
everyone is seen as equal.
Jews and Muslims and Chinese living in
France have a culture which is specifically their own. To renounce
their own religious faith is a serious mistake.
You can thank God Mostesquiou that France
is NOT a theocracy and therefore allows you th freedom and the liberty
to practice religion as your own personal faith in God who created you.
Unlike Communist China or Theocratic Middle Eastern Countries

Don Ocean

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Mar 4, 2005, 5:22:06 PM3/4/05
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America really must query France about the methods used to convince
the Jews(and Muslims) to export themselves.

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Robert Cohen

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Mar 5, 2005, 8:55:54 AM3/5/05
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re: "Jews' brains as differing from non-Jews' brains"

Yes, I agree with that apparent universalist/humanistic/equalitarian
point of the dimwit rhetorical question.

Non-Jews may indeed empathize with Jews: It's what some great writers
brilliantly demonstrate

So M wins his argument for pseudo politicaly correct obliviousness ad
absurdum chevaux merde

I think M gets gets my point, but couldn't acknowledge it because it
might cause less facetiousness and more candid
thinking/acknowledgment/introspection/projection/complexity

And, ya know, a n emigrating Marcel Proust would be such a great
purveyor of Israeli culture too a la REMEMBRANCES OF KIBBUTZ
EXPERIENCES PAST

JBgarbuz

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Mar 6, 2005, 11:33:05 AM3/6/05
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Robert Cohen wrote:

> re: Israel as refuge for French Jews
>
> The dynamics within the dilemma confronting the third or fourth (?)
> largest Jewish population in the World are truly stark harshness 2005
> Non-Jews could not fully understand what a Jewish person feels about
> leaving one's country of origin steeped in culturation<

Could they understand when Vichy French police cooperated to turn
over tens of thousands of Jews to the Germans?



> I suppose there will be novels, movies and plays forthcoming to express
> the experience, though nothing really could since each person's/family
> experience & circumstance differs
> When a Jew would actually vote (five percent?) for a Rightist Jew-Hater
> for the feeling of security/protection from fear, then ...<
> Reality is truly absurdity<

When the Islamist threat to Jews in Europe has grown, it is not
so hard to understand. Many Jews have lived in Europe since
Roman times, and yet they have been an alien presence nonetheless.
A minority is a minority is a minority no matter how long it lives
in a place, unless it somehow becomes the majority. The only place
where Jews are the majority (still) is in ISrael (though perhaps
not for long.) Hence, only in Israel can a JEw feel some degree
of control over his security and destiny, and indeed must fight
for it. Everyplace else he is in the hands of the majority, for
better or for worse. The main problem with Israel though, is that
most of its institution, with the exception of the top government
itself, is in the hands of leftist traitors. The schools, the
arts, the universities, the social services, etc., in Israel, as
in most countries, is in the hands of the defeatist and self-hating
Left. Or, on the extreme other side of the spectrum, the krazy ultraorthodox
antizionist Naturei Karta sect. So even in Israel, a Jew is in the
hands of enemies, only they are internal enemies. Still, only in
a land that is yours by right, not by sufferance, can you at least
struggle for your destiny. Everyplace, you have to hope that the majority
doesn't turn on you like a dime when the mood changes.

JBgarbuz

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Mar 6, 2005, 11:47:01 AM3/6/05
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Montesquiou wrote:

>
> "Heinrich Mueller" <Hein...@Telekom.de> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 38qkfnF...@individual.net...
>> An organization dedicated to helping French Jews immigrate to Israel
>> was launched.
> As you know, around 70 % of them come back.<

For the same reason why a similar percentage of Jews who went
to Palestine in the 1920s and early 1930s came back. Life in
ISrael is HARD, and the hardest part is not the Arabs but living
under other Jews! In fact there is an old story in Israel about
how when a boat load of Jews came in the 1920s they saw people on
the shore seemingly waving at them. So they waved back. But as they
came closer to the shore they realized that the jews on the shore
weren't waving, but shaking their fists and yelling "Go back, schmuck."
So from the very beginning, life in Israel has been very hard, but
nothing was harder than Jews living UNDER other Jews! But then
WWII gave hundreds of thousands of Jews no other choice! When their
neighbors handed them over to the Nazis and stole their homes and
businesses, even some of the most ardent assimilationists became resigned
to living in Israel. But now that antisemitism is back on the rise,
no doubt some Jews will try their hand in Israel again, and I honestly
wish them luck and success.

> I once asked one friend why ?
> The hate, he said, the hate. "You have no idea what is the hate of the
> Orthodox against us". !?!?
> In fact, the French education is very unfair for those who like to live in
> comunity.
> At school they learned that they are French, first. It is why the religion
> is not very important for them.<

German Jews were Germans. Russian Jews were Russians. They all thought
they were something they weren't. Sure, after centuries you absorb
the culture, the language, the customs and the mindset of the
majority, but you do not absorb their genes. As my dear departed
mom used to say, "It does not matter what YOU think you are; IT matters
what everyone else around you thinks you are." As Tuvia the milkman
said, "A bird and a fish may love each other, but where will they
build their home?"

JBgarbuz

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Mar 6, 2005, 11:51:54 AM3/6/05
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Don Ocean wrote:

Just keep importing Muslims and give them good jobs.

Heinrich Mueller

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> Robert Cohen wrote:
>
> > re: Israel as refuge for French Jews
> >
> > The dynamics within the dilemma confronting the third or fourth (?)
> > largest Jewish population in the World are truly stark harshness 2005
> > Non-Jews could not fully understand what a Jewish person feels about
> > leaving one's country of origin steeped in culturation<
>
> Could they understand when Vichy French police cooperated to turn
> over tens of thousands of Jews to the Germans?

i know a country where the police volunteered in large numbers for taking
the jews to the transit camp, for a lunch box and a few extra holidays .,
and they were not memebers of the local nazi party.

gggg@w

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On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:33:05 -0500, JBgarbuz <jga...@netzero.com> wrote:

>Robert Cohen wrote:
>
>> re: Israel as refuge for French Jews
>>
>> The dynamics within the dilemma confronting the third or fourth (?)
>> largest Jewish population in the World are truly stark harshness 2005
>> Non-Jews could not fully understand what a Jewish person feels about
>> leaving one's country of origin steeped in culturation<
>
>Could they understand when Vichy French police cooperated to turn
>over tens of thousands of Jews to the Germans?

Jews Murdered by Country in Europe

The numbers presented on the map above are graphically represented in
the chart which follows:
________________________________________________________________________

Country Jewish Population Number of Jews Percentage
of
September, 1939 Murdered Jews
Murdered
------------------------------------------------------------------------

- Poland 3,300,000 2,800,000 85.0
- USSR (occupied
territories) 2,100.000 1,500,000 71.4
- Romania 850,000 425,000 50.0
- Hungary 404,000 200,000 49.5
- Czechoslovakia 315,000 260,000 82.5
- France 300,000 90,000 30.0
- Germany 210,000 171,000 81.0
- Lithuania 150,000 135,000 90.0
- Holland 150,000 90,000 60.0
- Latvia 95,000 85,000 89.5
- Belgium 90,000 40,000 44.4
- Greece 75,000 65,000 80.0
- Yugoslavia 75,000 55,000 73.3
- Austria 60,000 40,000 66.6
- Italy 57,000 15,000 26.3
- Bulgaria 50,000 7,000 14.0
- Others 20,000 6,000 30.0
_________ _________ ____
Totals 8,301,000 5,978,000 72.0
________________________________________________________________________

Source: Cited in Landau, The Nazi Holocaust, Chicago: Ivan R. Dee, 1994.
These data originally appeared in Poliakov and Wulf (eds), Das Dritte
Reich und die Juden: Documente und Aufsatze (Arani Verlag, GmbH, Berlin,
1955).
==
-- I quote --

By the way, if you really want to play that game, you shall also
consider that France was one of the less dangerous places to be in
Europe for Jews during WW2. While the infamous Vichy puppet regime
collaborated with the Germans and ended up promulgating discriminational
laws and arresting (mostly foreign) Jews, this discrimination and these
arrests were resented in France by the overwhelming majority of the
population as attested in Vichy's reports as well as in German ones.
Besides, while pathetically collaborating, Vichy tried to save French
Jews as much as it could (to the detriment of immigrated Jews) in its
negociations with SIPO-SD's chief Oberg. Hence, the percentage of the
pre-war Jewish population that got murdered in France was by no way
comparable to that of most other nations occupied by the Nazis :

% of pre-war Jewish population murdered

Poland -- 90.9%
Greece -- 86.6%
Lithuania -- 85.1%
Yugoslavia -- 81.2%
Slovakia -- 79.8%
Latvia -- 78.1%
Netherlands -- 71.4%
Hungary -- 69.0%
Bohemia/Moravia -- 66.1%
Luxembourg -- 55.7%
Romania -- 47.1%
Norway -- 44.8%
Estonia -- 44.4%
Belgium -- 44.0%
Soviet Union -- 36.4%
France -- 22.1%
Denmark -- 0.7%

== compare with population of each country ==

(Source: Encyclopedia of the Holocaust)

This is a shaming period of history for every European country occupied
by the Nazis, among them France, and a lesson to draw for mankind. But
rewriting it the way you and Koch do it, and using it that way, will
only bring righteous contempt down on you. I will have the politeness
not to remind you of the legal discrimination against the Black people
in many states of the alledged "greatest democracy in the world" until
the late sixties...
--
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Yad%20Vashem

"Yad Vashem is Israel's official memorial to the Jewish victims of the
Holocaust established in 1953 through the Memorial Law passed by the
Knesset, Israel's parliament.

It consists of a memorial chamber, a historical museum, an art gallery, a
Hall of Names, an archive, the "Valley of the Destroyed Communities," and
an educational center. As well, non-Jews who saved Jews during the
Holocaust, often at great personal risk, are honored by Yad Vashem as the
"Righteous Among the Nations - After the World War II, the term Righteous
Among the Nations (Transliterated Hebrew language: Khasiday Umot Olam) has
been used to describe non-Jews who behaved heroically during the Holocaust
(ha-Shoah) in order to save Jews from the Nazi genocide.

A small garden and plaque on the grounds of the Yad Vashem is dedicated to
the people of Le Chambon-sur-Lignon in France who, during World War II made
their town a haven for Jews fleeing from the Nazis."

Heinrich Mueller

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> On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:33:05 -0500, JBgarbuz <jga...@netzero.com> wrote:


the figures for the netherlands are not correct.

there were 140.000 jews living here before ww2 of which only 35.000
survived i.e. 25 percent.


gggg@w

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On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:58:08 +0100, "Heinrich Mueller" <Hein...@Telekom.de>
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I gave 2 different sources ... what is yours ?

one of mine says : 71.4% killed the other one says about 60 % ... and you
say 75 % ... I would be interested to know where lie the truth.

Heinrich Mueller

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official records. i will look it up one day. it is a fact there were 140.000
iving here when the war started. from those 140.000 were appr. 30.000
refugees from das Reich.
it has been officially established that 103.000 were transported from the
transitcamp into das Reich of which 102.000 perished.
www.westerbork.nl http://www.nmkampvught.nl/index.php?id=219
you can take my word for it that 75 percent is oke.

Robert Cohen

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JBgarbuz is expressing a very harsh perspective that should trouble all

He (apparently) trashes both the moderate social-democrats & the
farther-left Israeli left plus the small segment of rightists whom are
"anti-zionist" Jews (though some/many simultaneously reside within the
zionist state, a comedy of absurdity)

Thus there are VERY diverse metaphysical & political points of views
amongst we Jews as the reports of the Knesset coalition jockeying
icontiuously ndicate

Because the Jews from Minsk may look down upon the Jews from Pinsk &
vice-versa, while our adversaries merely
despise/fear/kill/envy/whatever "the Jews," which (nearly) every Jew
realizes as omnipresent/threatening realism

As an American Jew/JewishAmerican, I am very grateful/fortunate that my
grandparents emigrated from Warsaw & Brest-Litovsk circa 1912-1914

I was actually told by a liberal left non-Jewish professor that I have
a "ghetto mentality," as I acknowleged fearing about demonstrating
against the Vietnam War circa 1970, because I perceived and told the
religious studies class that Israel's existence was/is simultaneously
at stake/risk as the American liberal left --of which I consider myself
a "member" of--dissented against that gut-wrenching Vietnam-Cambodia
mess circa fall, 1970

Me being an agnostic Jew married to a non-Jew in this world of
ninety-whatever percent non-Jews is not complex & crazy enough, while
my fellow Jew here, JBgarbuz, complains that he dislikes the
ideological-religio left-slanting Israelis

So, maybe if I were a playwright (of a Mel Brooks type of
movie)...though the non-Jews of course understand

Don Ocean

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Mar 6, 2005, 8:17:35 PM3/6/05
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Please take this Jew shit to a Jew-shit NG. Americans paid dearly
in lives as did many other countries.. Now we pay dearly in our
hard earned dollars and I for one am damned tired of watching our social
programs cut so the damned greedy murdering Jews can continue with their
palestinian Holocaust!

http://www.ussliberty.com

The *Revd*

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On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:47:01 -0500, JBgarbuz <jga...@netzero.com>
wrote:

<b'rissed>

>German Jews were Germans. Russian Jews were Russians.

Not really. They were just jews.

>They all thought
>they were something they weren't. Sure, after centuries you absorb
>the culture, the language, the customs and the mindset of the
>majority, but you do not absorb their genes.

The jew mindset is immune to assimilation. This is another factor
that helps to give jews away.

jga...@netzero.com

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Mar 7, 2005, 11:06:54 AM3/7/05
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Robert Cohen wrote:
> JBgarbuz is expressing a very harsh perspective that should trouble
all
>
> He (apparently) trashes both the moderate social-democrats & the
> farther-left Israeli left plus the small segment of rightists whom
are
> "anti-zionist" Jews (though some/many simultaneously reside within
the
> zionist state, a comedy of absurdity)<

The Jewish Left led the way to the rise of Communism in Russia, which
led to the rise of Fascism in
western Europe and Germany, which led to the murder of my family.
Note, I do not criticize people like Menachem Begin and other HONEST
leaders of the Jewish RIght who
are the REAL heroes of the creation of ISrael. BTW, I lived on
kibbutzim in Israel for a year, and really was
astounded how they regretted not having pork in the dining room to eat
on Yom Kippur. ANyhow, they are mostly out of business now, as in the
long run they could not run themselves without state subsidies. Or
rather, they are now mostly tourist stops. The Left has been bankrupt
for decades, but never will throw in the towel.
Me, I'm a neoconservative, a reluctant refugee from the chronically ill
Jewish Left.

> Thus there are VERY diverse metaphysical & political points of views
> amongst we Jews as the reports of the Knesset coalition jockeying
> icontiuously ndicate
> Because the Jews from Minsk may look down upon the Jews from Pinsk &
> vice-versa, while our adversaries merely
> despise/fear/kill/envy/whatever "the Jews," which (nearly) every Jew
> realizes as omnipresent/threatening realism
> As an American Jew/JewishAmerican, I am very grateful/fortunate that
my
> grandparents emigrated from Warsaw & Brest-Litovsk circa 1912-1914<

Yeah, they left just before WWI and the commuinist revolution. I hope
they weren't trying to spread those socialist ideas in America, and if
they were, they are lucky not to have been deported in the Palmer
raids.

> I was actually told by a liberal left non-Jewish professor that I
have
> a "ghetto mentality," as I acknowleged fearing about demonstrating
> against the Vietnam War circa 1970, because I perceived and told the
> religious studies class that Israel's existence was/is simultaneously
> at stake/risk as the American liberal left --of which I consider
myself
> a "member" of--dissented against that gut-wrenching Vietnam-Cambodia
> mess circa fall, 1970<

I was against the US entry into the Vietnam war in the early '60s
because back in 1954 as a kid, I remember two things clearly from our
then new TV: the rise of Superman, and the fall of Dienbienphu. Jumping
into Vietnam after the French Legion surrendered at Dienbeinphu was
like jumping out the window with a cape on hoping to fly like Superman.
Nonetheless, I did not participate in any anti-war demonstrations
later because
I thought the US cause was correct, however that victory without the
use of massive force, such as using nuclear weapons on Hanoi, was
improbable. But I wasn't going to undercut my friends fighting there.
The US did not listen to MacArthur when he wanted to nuke across the
Chinese border, and did not listen
to Nixon when he urged the use of nukes to save Dienbienphu in 1954, so
clearly we were going to either stalemate or lose again! We have no
ablity to win a guerrilla war against fanatical bloody terrorists
because
the Left would never allow for the use of the bloody methods required
to win such a war. Even in WWII, once
the Nazis were vanquished, the Jewish left was against nuking Japan/ IN
Vietnam, even when we were doing well with the Pheonix program earlier
in the war, assassinating VC operatives after the VC assassinated
most of the SOuth Vietnamese bureaucrats, that too was halted by
Leftist pressure on Congress. Meanwhile, Sharon's targeted
assassinations of Hamas terrorists has made an impact, but, of course,
the Jewish Left
in Israel ranted against that as long as their bistros in Tel Aviv were
attacked. But when Jews were murdered
in the "settlements" or other communities, the Tel Aviv Left could care
less. The Jewish Left is INHERTENTLY defeatist and ready to snatch
victory from the Jaws of defeat, UNLESS it is a communist country that
is winning.
Then they go to Hanoi or Pyongyang to show their solidarity with commie
murderers.

> Me being an agnostic Jew married to a non-Jew in this world of
> ninety-whatever percent non-Jews is not complex & crazy enough, while
> my fellow Jew here, JBgarbuz, complains that he dislikes the
> ideological-religio left-slanting Israelis
> So, maybe if I were a playwright (of a Mel Brooks type of

> movie)...though the non-Jews of course understand<,

The Jewish Left has always had a major impact on the mindless
glitterati in bistros and waterholes all over the world in the last
century, from Berlin to New York to Tel Aviv. It's always the same
mindless defeatism and
innate hatred for whowever was in power, unless he was a sexy hedonist
such as Kennedy or Clinton. The Jewish Left has always been brainless,
clueless, corrupt and hedonistic, and have always instigated hatred
against innocent Jews who want nothing to do with such "values." I
lost my family in Europe due to the fascist backlash against communism
and I don't want to see innocent Jews again the victims of another
backlash against Leftist malcontents and troublemakers.

jga...@netzero.com

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Don Ocean wrote:
> Please take this Jew shit to a Jew-shit NG. Americans paid dearly
> in lives as did many other countries.. Now we pay dearly in our
> hard earned dollars and I for one am damned tired of watching our
social
> programs cut so the damned greedy murdering Jews can continue with
their
> palestinian Holocaust!<


Gee, I thought the Jew Roosevelt started up all those programs! Wasn't
Roosevelt a Jew? Your
Fuehrer claimed he was. So why should you care if these Jew-inspired
social programs are cut or
eliminated? I thought the Aryan ideal was to fight and die in battle,
and be taken up to Valhalla by the Valkeryes. So why are you so against
red-blooded Americans figthing and dying in war? Isn't that the
heroic Aryan way? You like social programs? Maybe you're a closet Jew?

Heinrich Mueller

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>
> Don Ocean wrote:
> > Please take this Jew shit to a Jew-shit NG. Americans paid dearly
> > in lives as did many other countries.. Now we pay dearly in our
> > hard earned dollars and I for one am damned tired of watching our
> social
> > programs cut so the damned greedy murdering Jews can continue with
> their
> > palestinian Holocaust!<
>
>
> Gee, I thought the Jew Roosevelt started up all those programs! Wasn't
> Roosevelt a Jew? Your
> Fuehrer claimed he was.

nonsense. roosevelts ancestors came from the dutch province of Zeeland
http://www.roosevelt.nl/about_index.htm

Heinrich Mueller

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you need professional help !!


jga...@netzero.com

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Mar 7, 2005, 11:30:37 AM3/7/05
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Sorry, I mean the Left is alway prepared to snatch defeat from the jaws
of victory. They cannot stand the idea of a Rightist winning. The myth
of Deir Yassin was created by a Haganah leftist eager to smear Begin's
Irgun, and the Arabs picked up the story and ran with it. Literally
ran, 700,000 out of Israel. So, it had a good effect from Israel's POV,
but the actual intention was to dirty the Right, not to cause panic
amongst the Arabs.

jga...@netzero.com

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Mar 7, 2005, 11:34:12 AM3/7/05
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>nonsense. roosevelts ancestors came from the dutch province of
Zeeland<

I know. I'm just essentially repeating what Hitler claimed, that he was
either a Jew or controlled by the Jews. I know that the name Roosevelt
is of Duch origin.

gggg@w

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Mar 7, 2005, 12:23:41 PM3/7/05
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OK thanks.

Heinrich Mueller

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> OK thanks.
if you have any questions about this subject feel free to contact me.

here you have an url on kurt schlesinger who was the chief of the prisoners
in westerbork at the time. he survived the war and fled to the usa wehere he
died in the sixties.
http://www.cympm.com/pisk.html
he was the leader of the internal guards we were also used to get their
fellow jews out of their houses. during razzias.

here another url about westerbork when you scroll down you will find many
more links. pay special attention to the barneveld group !!!


Heinrich Mueller

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i forget to mention the url so here it is as yet:
http://www.cympm.com/Westerbork.html


Don Ocean

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jga...@netzero.com wrote:
> Don Ocean wrote:
>
>>Please take this Jew shit to a Jew-shit NG. Americans paid dearly
>>in lives as did many other countries.. Now we pay dearly in our
>>hard earned dollars and I for one am damned tired of watching our
>
> social
>
>>programs cut so the damned greedy murdering Jews can continue with
>
> their
>
>>palestinian Holocaust!<
>
>
>
> Gee, I thought the Jew Roosevelt started up all those programs! Wasn't
> Roosevelt a Jew? Your
> Fuehrer claimed he was. So why should you care if these Jew-inspired
> social programs are cut or
> eliminated? I thought the Aryan ideal was to fight and die in battle,
> and be taken up to Valhalla by the Valkeryes. So why are you so against
> red-blooded Americans figthing and dying in war? Isn't that the
> heroic Aryan way? You like social programs? Maybe you're a closet Jew?

Nope.. Those closets are already full of Zionist Faggots like you! ;-p
And if Roosevelt was a Jew..So What! He was 100% for America!
As for Valhalla... Perhaps we could send a few of you Jewish
propagandist there.. And then you could report back what it is all
about. Personally I think the Vakeryes or whatever fall under the
same urban myths that Judaism does! Also... Where did that Jew-wanna-be
George from Kentucky wander off to.. Maybe he is in your Jewish heaven.
Probably smelling up the place good!

Don Ocean

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Mar 7, 2005, 2:11:41 PM3/7/05
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And we all know the Name "jgarbuz" is of Fecal origin! ;-p
And speaking of Fruehers... How is yours doing? (Sharon)

>

Don Ocean

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An intersting coherent post for a change. Most of what I agree with and
is verifiable by actual historical events. Ariel Sharon has murdered
Americans though. And is not a great leader of Hero in my eyes. You
Jews can do much better for leaders. So can we Americans..But ?????

Heinrich Mueller

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wunderbar !! let us drink to that


JBgarbuz

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The *Revd* wrote:

I think what you really mean is that the Jewish nose is "immune"
to assimilation, but plastic surgery sometimes overcomes that.)
But I don't think it's the "Jewish mind" per se, but the Gentile
"mind" as well. I think different breeds of dog also sometimes
resist too much mixing even though all breeds of dog come from
an ancestor wolf. I also think that when you are a perpetual
minority, you're thinking gets warped as well. Without land
and without majority status, no ethnicity or national group
can be totally "normal." That was one of the main points of zionism,
that normalization can only come when a nation has its own land,
a majority, its own means of self-defense, and a stratified
society. Clearly a landless people who have to rely purely
on money, or on the sufferance of the majority, or retreat
into ghettos of arcane, mystical religiousity cannot be mentally
or physically whole. Indeed, if you look at the situation of white people
today in America, as they see their majority status erode, one
can already witness their self-assurance decline along with it.
When you become a minority, your fear and paranoia increases
concomitantly. And Jews had to live in this state for nearly
20 centuries, at the mercy of forces they had little or no control
over, except by the use of money.
Your "mindset" is a function of your security and place in society
or the world at large. The more secure and accepted, the better
your "mindset" normally is.

Don Ocean

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Mar 8, 2005, 1:34:57 PM3/8/05
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Nope! He is back.. Warhol is entertaining him for the present. ;-p
Ummmm> Do you Dutch make any good table wines?
>
>

Heinrich Mueller

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no we have no no wine culture due to bad weather conditions but we do have
beer and jenever .
http://wwwutnws.utwente.nl/utnieuws/data/37/26/engels3.html

i am a big fan of that drink. it is good against the flue and cold, so sad
it is so heavily taxed. we have two kinds of jenever.

jonge jenever (young jenever) has an alcohol percentage of appr.20 percent
and looks like water !! and oude jenever (old jenever)which has an alcohol
percentage of 35 and tastes more bitter so many put sugar in the glass to
compensate the the bitter taste.

all the wines are imported from germany and or france and italy and spain.


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