Evil little wings are melting...
Cosmicosis
Waxed the wings of force with fire
for years uncaged in eased desire
to war above as our time now wanes
in playing God through angelic planes
the fire breathing beast has spread
the global doctrine of the dead
upon the evil wings we place
our faith, our future, and our face.
DRB
And the Most High has looked upon his times,
and behold, they are ended, and his ages are completed!
Therefore you will surely disappear, you eagle,
and your terrifying wings, and your most evil little wings,
and your malicious heads, and your most evil talons,
and your whole worthless body, so that the whole earth,
freed from your violence, may be refreshed and relieved,
and may hope for the judgment and mercy of him who made it.'"
------ 4 Ezra (2 Esdras) - Revised Standard Version (RSV)
Chapter 11, verses 37-46 -----
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"Cosmicosis" <cosmicosis...@excite.com> wrote in message
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> Evil little wings are melting...
>
> Waxed the wings of force with fire
> for years uncaged in eased desire
> to war above as our time now wanes
> in playing God through angelic planes
> the fire breathing beast has spread
> the global doctrine of the dead
> upon the evil wings we place
> our faith, our future, and our face.
How can this possibly mean anything to me when none of it makes sense? How
am i supposed to visualise wings of force? What do they look like? What are
they formed of? Nothing here is defined to a point where it could be
anything more than over-the-top dramatic rambling. Readers need to be able
to actually understand what is being talked about. Also, a point you might
want to take in consideration is that the audience doesn't want you to
emote, it wants to emote. If your writing is supposed to have an effect on
the emotional system of the reader then it's more logical to show the reader
what caused you the emotion, rather than just telling them about the emotion
you are experiencing.
lqx~
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critisized. Obviously you don't 'see' at all. _Maybe_ their intentions
were to make you ¡imagine! and feel whatever comes to mind. *shrugs*
~Shawna
liquidcubeix
>>
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"Lqx" or w/e i see nothing wrong with any of the poetry that you've just
critisized. Obviously you don't 'see' at all. _Maybe_ their intentions
<<
Such an act requires no talent and can be written by anyone. There is
therefore little purpose in posting such a piece of work. Poetry, in my
belief, is used to direct the imagination of the reader in one way or
another. Content completely open to interpretation serves little purpose and
provides little emotion.
Lqx~
saturnine
Okay, at least you bothered to offer some kind of advice in regard to
writing poetry when you wrote your little speech. Good. I can see you're
actually trying to help with this one. But seriously.
"liquidcubeix" <fa...@mash.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Cosmicosis" <cosmicosis...@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:3e621...@news.iprimus.com.au...
> > Evil little wings are melting...
> >
> > Waxed the wings of force with fire
> > for years uncaged in eased desire
> > to war above as our time now wanes
> > in playing God through angelic planes
> > the fire breathing beast has spread
> > the global doctrine of the dead
> > upon the evil wings we place
> > our faith, our future, and our face.
>
> How can this possibly mean anything to me when none of it makes sense? How
> am i supposed to visualise wings of force? What do they look like? What
are
> they formed of? Nothing here is defined to a point where it could be
> anything more than over-the-top dramatic rambling.
In-ter-pre-tation. You should really exercise your imagination. Here's some
Wordsworth:
"Ten thousand saw I at a glance, tossing their heads in sprightly dance"
From his poem The Daffodils. Hmm. Lets see what happens when a person who is
completely devoid of imagination reads this:
"What? That makes no sense! Daffodils can't dance!"
Yeah. Wow. Can you see what I'm getting at here. At least make some effort
to interpret what you read.
>Readers need to be able
> to actually understand what is being talked about. Also, a point you might
> want to take in consideration is that the audience doesn't want you to
> emote, it wants to emote.
Oh, wow. This is like, totally making me emote allright. I'm emoting all
over the place here.
Where do you think inspiration for poetry comes from? Emotion, maybe? True,
the audience
wants to be moved by what they read, but without emotion we have no poetry
(nothing decent anyway).
>If your writing is supposed to have an effect on
> the emotional system of the reader then it's more logical to show the
reader
> what caused you the emotion, rather than just telling them about the
emotion
> you are experiencing.
Okay, valid point.
> lqx~
>
>
Regards, Mr. Saturnian
liquidcubeix
"saturnine" <psychosis...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Note to yourself that you can actually visualise heads being tossed in a
dance. Physical objects doing physical actions.
> From his poem The Daffodils. Hmm. Lets see what happens when a person who
is
> completely devoid of imagination reads this:
> "What? That makes no sense! Daffodils can't dance!"
> Yeah. Wow. Can you see what I'm getting at here. At least make some effort
> to interpret what you read.
Please don't tell me how to critique poetry. I'm not saying I'm any better
or worse than anyone else, I simply think I'm allowed my own style of
analysis.
> >Readers need to be able
> > to actually understand what is being talked about. Also, a point you
might
> > want to take in consideration is that the audience doesn't want you to
> > emote, it wants to emote.
>
> Oh, wow. This is like, totally making me emote allright. I'm emoting all
> over the place here.
> Where do you think inspiration for poetry comes from? Emotion, maybe?
True,
> the audience
> wants to be moved by what they read, but without emotion we have no poetry
> (nothing decent anyway).
The inspiration to write poetry, I believe, is from language. Think about
that.
Lqx~
saturnine
I don't think I got my point across clearly there.
> > From his poem The Daffodils. Hmm. Lets see what happens when a person
who
> is
> > completely devoid of imagination reads this:
> > "What? That makes no sense! Daffodils can't dance!"
> > Yeah. Wow. Can you see what I'm getting at here. At least make some
effort
> > to interpret what you read.
>
> Please don't tell me how to critique poetry. I'm not saying I'm any better
> or worse than anyone else, I simply think I'm allowed my own style of
> analysis.
Indeed. Just as I can follow my own style of critique towards yours. ;-)
> > >Readers need to be able
> > > to actually understand what is being talked about. Also, a point you
> might
> > > want to take in consideration is that the audience doesn't want you to
> > > emote, it wants to emote.
> >
> > Oh, wow. This is like, totally making me emote allright. I'm emoting all
> > over the place here.
> > Where do you think inspiration for poetry comes from? Emotion, maybe?
> True,
> > the audience
> > wants to be moved by what they read, but without emotion we have no
poetry
> > (nothing decent anyway).
>
> The inspiration to write poetry, I believe, is from language. Think about
> that.
I disagree. That's like saying that the inspiration to paint is from art
supplies, no? ;-P
> Lqx~
>
>
Dennis M. Hammes
>
...
> In-ter-pre-tation. You should really exercise your imagination. Here's some
> Wordsworth:
>
> "Ten thousand saw I at a glance, tossing their heads in sprightly dance"
Actually, this line always reminded me more of Robespierre than it
did of the Lakes Country.
Or that gal 'oo 'ad 'er 'ead tooked oonderneath 'er arm.
"Interpretation." "Imagination."
Aka the problem with the pathetic fallacy.
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Dennis M. Hammes
> > The inspiration to write poetry, I believe, is from language. Think about
> > that.
>
> I disagree. That's like saying that the inspiration to paint is from art
> supplies, no? ;-P
Never painted, didja. In 28 years of commercial art (now past), I
can safely say that much of the "inspiration" for any given piece
came from the available materials, and on many of them -- and
"finer" occasions -- /solely/ from the available materials.
Engineering, also an art, is in like case.
So's music, though it can be said of music that, to the extent it
says /nothing/ other than itself, it's inspired /solely/ by the
materials.
And it's certain that the contrapositive is true: if you haven't
the materials, the words, /you can't do the piece/.
Tim Baxter
<snip>
> In-ter-pre-tation. You should really exercise your imagination. Here's
some
> Wordsworth:
>
> "Ten thousand saw I at a glance, tossing their heads in sprightly dance"
>
> From his poem The Daffodils. Hmm. Lets see what happens when a person who
is
> completely devoid of imagination reads this:
> "What? That makes no sense! Daffodils can't dance!"
> Yeah. Wow. Can you see what I'm getting at here. At least make some effort
> to interpret what you read.
How can you interpret that which you cannot see? The extract you used is not
an abstraction. It is a concrete image with personification. Do you still
have my post on abstraction on your server? Re-read it. Listen to what I had
to say. I think I did an ok job at illustrating the difference between
concrete an abstract but it appears (from the content of this post) that you
clearly did not understand.
> >Readers need to be able
> > to actually understand what is being talked about. Also, a point you
might
> > want to take in consideration is that the audience doesn't want you to
> > emote, it wants to emote.
>
> Oh, wow. This is like, totally making me emote allright. I'm emoting all
> over the place here.
> Where do you think inspiration for poetry comes from? Emotion, maybe?
True,
> the audience
> wants to be moved by what they read, but without emotion we have no poetry
> (nothing decent anyway).
"Poetry is not a turning loose of emotion, but an escape from emotion; it is
not the expression of personality, but an escape from personality. But, of
course, only those who have personality and emotions know what it means to
want to escape from these things."
T. S. Eliot
"All bad poetry springs from genuine feeling."
Oscar Wilde
Tim
Sioma
Yo Tim Baster
I think you should let the guy say what HE wants to say. Who do you think you
are??
This poem realy touched me. Its too bad that you think you are better than
everyone.
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"Sioma" <er...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Yo Tim Baster
> I think you should let the guy say what HE wants to say. Who do you think
you
> are??
Is this a rhetorical question? or would you like an answer.
> This poem realy touched me. Its too bad that you think you are better than
> everyone.
Oh. You must misunderstand. I am better than everyone. This is a fact.
...dickhead.
Tim
saturnine
the materials that have been created, as it were, for the purpose of
creating art? Well. This seems to have destroyed my whole idea of what art
is. Not an expression of human individuality, but a declaration of our
rather mechanical abilty to use tools?
You look at art supplies and think "I'll paint a picture", as opposed to
thinking thus and then looking at your art supplies to see what particular
items would best help you express your idea? That certainly isn't how I
create art. Words, pen and paper, paintbrush, my voice, or whatever happens
to seem useful at the time are merely tools to me. I sing when I feel like
singing. I write when I feel like writing, etc.
saturnine
Dennis M. Hammes
An old topic on two of these froups, but I see there are two others.
27,000 years ago, somebody at Altamira put his hand against the
cave wall and blew/threw soot over it.
27,000 years ago, that was both novel "statement" and High Art.
26,000 years ago, it wasn't. By then, you had to be able to
/draw/ a hand, a wildebeeste.
Kid wakes up 20 years ago, empty in a crib (not "in an empty
crib"). He don't know from nothin'. He goes to kindergarten and
dumps a paint pot over his hand.
It's novel expression and High Art /to him/.
Are we to maintain for him /today/ that it is novel expression and
High Art /for us/ -- or even for...?
I spoZe if you never spilled paint on your hand, maybe...
Every time you pick up another one of the Good Old Tools, /you/
will discover some statement/Art novel /to you/.
The "numbers" are against its being novel to the art.
But you can still put together your own fairly-novel /body of
work/. And the style will be more-or-less unique to you, though
even that will have a lot of overlap with what everybody else in
that field has done.
When I do a pic or a pome, I do, indeed, start with something I
might "want to say today." Even if that was furnished by somebody
else (the "job"; "occasional poultry" falls into that category, the
customer is the calendar, the news). But the first thing I check is
the toolbox -- what have I got to say it with? Hm. Ain't that been
done that way before? Lotsa times? Okay, what /else/ have I got?
There are commercial (and "fine") levels that require no more than
producing "the same old stuff" in /your/ style.
And there are plenty of low-coffee days on which one's only
"inspiration" for "what do I want to say" boils down to "what can I
say with /this/?"
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moi aussi.
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anna
neckl...@hotmail.com ([mengeling]) wrote:
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>> I wish I could speak french.
>
>moi aussi.
you're australian? ;P
hooray for necky's. mwah.
>
>bonjour
bon soir.
(yay for friends from mauritius. i even know what that means :>)
>necklace.