Stringing one's GI tract
Jack Campin
> I heard from my uncle once that there was this Indian fakir or yogi or
> something who could swallow a rope, little by little, until it appeared
> at the other end. He would then use this to clean out his intestines.
Something like this is described in Theos Barnard's book on yoga. What he
recommends is to swallow about thirty feet of bandage bit by bit, churn it
around the stomach for a while, and then pull it out again. He _doesn't_
recommend the two-ended technique you describe.
On the other hand, he recounts what happened when he let go of the end once.
He spent several hours with a feeling of impending doom until the far end
emerged.
He also describes such fun tricks as running a bandage in through your
mouth and out through your nose to clean your nasal passages out, and
cutting the cord under your tongue so you can swallow it as an aid to
holding your breath for longer. He really could lick his eyebrows like
the man in the joke.
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Roy Rapoport
>A while back I heard a tale about an English Gent in the age of the Raj who
>was going to India for the first time for a six month stay. Being rather
>worried about dysentry and other bacteriological nasties in the local food
>he decided to swallow a tapeworm. The worm lived quite happily in his
>stomach during his stay in India and would go around consuming all of the
>bacteria. It worked(!) the Gent never fell ill whilst in India. At the end
>of his stay he took a good swig of some wormkiller and excretted Henry
>(by this time the worm had acquired a pet name) who was found to be about
>30 feet long.
>I don't believe a word of this bullshit, but thats how I heard the story
>You may relate this story to your dinner guests.
>Jason Hellwege La Tobe Uni, Melbourne, Oz.
Well, I don't know about the length of the tapeworm, but according to my
roommate (pre-med student), during the 1800's early 1900's, in England, and
in some places in the US, women were so into the diet craze, that they
swallowed tapeworms to keep them thin. It usually worked, and it was
relatively easy to get them out (allegedly all you'd have to do is put a
glass of milk in front of your mouth (they're attracted to the stuff), and
they'd crawl out). Only problem was, people got choked by the tapeworms,
because they'd take so long (they were so long) to get out. . .
Yum
Terry Chan
+nw...@quads.uchicago.edu (Einstuerzende Neubauten) wrote:
+> I heard from my uncle once that there was this Indian fakir or yogi or
+> something who could swallow a rope, little by little, until it appeared
+> at the other end. He would then use this to clean out his intestines.
+
+Something like this is described in Theos Barnard's book on yoga. What he
+recommends is to swallow about thirty feet of bandage bit by bit, churn it
+around the stomach for a while, and then pull it out again. He _doesn't_
+recommend the two-ended technique you describe.
In _The Straight Dope_, C. Adams responds to a similar question
(phrased a little more colorfully). Adams notes that the name
of the Hatha Yoga practice is "dhauti", where a damp cloth about
4 inches wide and 25 feet long is swallowed and pulled back out.
The two-ended technique is, in in his opinion, not possible because
peristalsis would not be able to overcome the friction of a length of
string long enough to reach the other end (his estimate of about
30 feet). This practice is supposed to be good for curing you of
various ailments including coughs, an enlarged spleen, lymphatic
afflictions, and even leprosy.
+He also describes such fun tricks as running a bandage in through your
+mouth and out through your nose to clean your nasal passages out, and
+cutting the cord under your tongue so you can swallow it as an aid to
+holding your breath for longer. He really could lick his eyebrows like
+the man in the joke.
Also described is "sutra neti" which involves snorting a dampened, waxed
string through one nostril until you can fish the far end out of your
mouth. You can then engage in "gharshana-neti" or string rubbing.
If you want to clean the other end, he also describes "vasti" where you
flush out the innards from the opposite end by drawing water in through
the anus using a bamboo tube.
Terry "Clean as a whistle! Chan, #8888
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> nw...@quads.uchicago.edu (Einstuerzende Neubauten) wrote:
>> I heard from my uncle once that there was this Indian fakir or yogi or
>> something who could swallow a rope, little by little, until it appeared
>> at the other end. He would then use this to clean out his intestines.
>
A while back I heard a tale about an English Gent in the age of the Raj who
charles bridgeland
>Well, I don't know about the length of the tapeworm, but according to my
>roommate (pre-med student), during the 1800's early 1900's, in England, and
>in some places in the US, women were so into the diet craze, that they
>swallowed tapeworms to keep them thin. It usually worked, and it was
>relatively easy to get them out (allegedly all you'd have to do is put a
>glass of milk in front of your mouth (they're attracted to the stuff), and
>they'd crawl out). Only problem was, people got choked by the tapeworms,
>because they'd take so long (they were so long) to get out. . .
>Yum
.....................................................................
I doubt if a tapeworm has enough in the way of either muscles or volition
to do that, not to mention being a couple feet down from the mouth to start
with.
if you're "into" parasitic worms, try to dig up a book called
"The Color Atlas Of Tropical Desease". Nasty nasty nasty---so many worms,
you'll never want to live where it's warm again. There's even a picture
of someone who had taken a dose of something to make all the intestinal
worms cut loose.
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Terry Chan
+[Story about an Englishman swallowing a tapeworm to counter illness in
India deleted.]
+Well, I don't know about the length of the tapeworm, but according to my
+roommate (pre-med student), during the 1800's early 1900's, in England, and
+in some places in the US, women were so into the diet craze, that they
+swallowed tapeworms to keep them thin. It usually worked, and it was
+relatively easy to get them out (allegedly all you'd have to do is put a
+glass of milk in front of your mouth (they're attracted to the stuff), and
+they'd crawl out). Only problem was, people got choked by the tapeworms,
+because they'd take so long (they were so long) to get out. . .
My friend's sister-in-law's uncle supposedly fell victim to tapeworms also.
Desperate to lose weight, he saw an advertisement for a diet pill. He took
it (and more) and, indeed, began to lose a lot of weight. Trouble was, he
kept on losing weight. He was diagnosed with a tapeworm and supposedly,
they checked the remaining diet pills and they all had tapeworm eggs.
Terry "You're born, you live, you go on some diets, then you die" Chan
Eric Dittman
> My friend's sister-in-law's uncle supposedly fell victim to tapeworms also.
> Desperate to lose weight, he saw an advertisement for a diet pill. He took
> it (and more) and, indeed, began to lose a lot of weight. Trouble was, he
> kept on losing weight. He was diagnosed with a tapeworm and supposedly,
> they checked the remaining diet pills and they all had tapeworm eggs.
I used to have an uncle that got a tapeworm from eating a hotdog bought
from a New York street vendor. He lost weight until the doctor figured
out what was wrong. His reaction to hotdogs after this was pretty funny.
I guess I'd better clarify my first sentence where I said, "...used to
have an uncle..." He didn't die from the tapeworm, he and my aunt got
a divorce (but not due to the tapeworm).
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Eric Dittman
> dit...@skbat.csc.ti.com (Eric Dittman) / 4:45 pm May 14, 1991 / writes:
>
>>I used to have an uncle that got a tapeworm from eating a hotdog bought
>>from a New York street vendor. He lost weight until the doctor figured
>>out what was wrong. His reaction to hotdogs after this was pretty funny.
>>I guess I'd better clarify my first sentence where I said, "...used to
>>have an uncle..." He didn't die from the tapeworm, he and my aunt got
>>a divorce (but not due to the tapeworm).
>
> contain the allowed percentage of rat hair/feces?
The doctor was the one that said the tapeworm came from the hotdog. Maybe
the tapeworm had a logo on it or something. :-)
Of course, a tapeworm from a hotdog is nothing compared to a bowl of
Frosted Mini-Wheats I ate one morning. Well, half a bowl, actually.
Kind of off the subject, but what the hey. The story is:
My sister and I both liked Frosted Mini-Wheats. My sister ate her bowl
before I even started. While I was eating mine, I noticed that the taste
was a little different. I asked my sister if she noticed anything funny
about the cereal, and she said not that she noticed. I looked down at
that point (until now my attention was on the TV) and noticed that the
little bits of the Mini-Wheats was moving! I dipped out a spoonful and
found that the little moving bits were little bugs. I showed them to
my sister, who quickly ran to the toilet to throw up. I started examining
the bugs to figure out what they were. My dad called the company (Kellogs?)
and complained. Within a few minutes the president of the company called
(this was about 10:00AM Saturday!) to apologize and say he was sorry this
happened, but there's not much he could do. My dad asked whether the guy
had a daughter, which he did, so my dad suggested that the guy's daughter
have a bowl of the cereal. Funny thing, the guy refused. Oh, well, no
harm done, in *MY* opinion, but my sister still won't eat Frosted Mini-
Wheats, even though I still suggest that she have a bowl 15 years later.
(NOTE: We didn't sue, or even suggest to the guy that we would. How
times change! I think today most people would try to sue.)
Susan Grace
> if you're "into" parasitic worms, try to dig up a book called
>"The Color Atlas Of Tropical Desease". Nasty nasty nasty---so many worms,
>you'll never want to live where it's warm again. There's even a picture
>of someone who had taken a dose of something to make all the intestinal
>worms cut loose.
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A friend of mine was in the Peace Corps in E. Africa in the 'Sixties
(don't recall which country--Uganda, I think, before Amin). Near the
end of her tour, she discovered she had a MONSTROUS tapeworm. (The
discovery was made due to passing some segments--ugh.) She took some
sort of toxic laxative, and expelled a 13 FOOT WORM! The PC medical
officer was so impressed, he pickled it in a large jar and took it
back to Washington, where it remains to this day (where I do not know.)
True story, could be embroidered into a UL.
Susan Grace, technical writer "How beautiful it is to do nothing,
sus...@cvedc.prime.com and after doing nothing, to rest!"
(I only wish!)
charles bridgeland
>In article <chuck.6...@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu> ch...@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (charles bridgeland) writes:
>> if you're "into" parasitic worms, try to dig up a book called
>>"The Color Atlas Of Tropical Desease". Nasty nasty nasty---so many worms,
>A friend of mine was in the Peace Corps in E. Africa in the 'Sixties
>(don't recall which country--Uganda, I think, before Amin). Near the
>end of her tour, she discovered she had a MONSTROUS tapeworm. (The
>discovery was made due to passing some segments--ugh.) She took some
..............................................
usually how it's discovered, I think
"what's that _thing_ in my turd?!"
..............................................
>sort of toxic laxative, and expelled a 13 FOOT WORM! The PC medical
>officer was so impressed, he pickled it in a large jar and took it
>back to Washington, where it remains to this day (where I do not know.)
..............................................
right next to john dillenger's dick, probably
:-)
..............................................
>
>True story, could be embroidered into a UL.
Nolan Hinshaw
Satchinanda, allegedly the chief swami of that discipline. He
showed several different purification techniques using both
string and either cotton or linen cloth (wish I could remember
which). Seemed pretty gross at the time. Like partly swallowing
the cloth and then sending it out a nostril, repeating with the
other nostril. Then maybe even one in which he sniffs it up one
nostril and then out the other?
Hard-core yoga is sure fun!
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Know what you mean about finding bugs in food you just ate! One
time, I was watching TV, opened up a bag of frito's, and, halfway through
the bag, felt little ball-like things in the chips as I was eating them. I
looked in the cereal and it was full of dead ants. I went to the toilet
and puked it all up. Real fun stuff.
MoonHawk
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Terry Chan
writes:
+ Know what you mean about finding bugs in food you just ate! One
+time, I was watching TV, opened up a bag of frito's, and, halfway through
+the bag, felt little ball-like things in the chips as I was eating them. I
+looked in the cereal and it was full of dead ants. I went to the toilet
+and puked it all up. Real fun stuff.
+ MoonHawk
This reminds me of the time I stopped at a 7-11 (on Route 9 in a Boston
suburb) and bought a package of Goobers (chocolate covered peanuts).
I went home, popped a few in my mouth and set the package down on the
table while I watched TV. After a little while (including absent-mindedly
thinking, "hmmm...these taste a bit different then then last time I had
'em"), the package moved a bit. I shook them out and there were maggots
coming out of six or so of the goobers. Come to think of it, I haven't
had them since then. I wonder why?
Good god, this story reminds me that I have the great pleasure to
recommend a book that I haven't read but the recommendations and reviews
have just been fabulous and I'm sure it's a real scorcher. It's by a
really great guy who's a legend (ha ha) in the business and it's called
"The Second Official Handbook of Practical Jokes". There are even a few
URBAN LEGENDS in it (I think). The author is an honorary Terry and just
an all around great guy, Craig Shergold, er, I mean St. Peter van der Linden.
Two thumbs up! Terry says, check it out (at your own risk).
Terry "Mmmmm.....I'm getting the munchies" Chan
Stephanie da Silva
> suburb) and bought a package of Goobers (chocolate covered peanuts).
> I went home, popped a few in my mouth and set the package down on the
> table while I watched TV. After a little while (including absent-mindedly
> thinking, "hmmm...these taste a bit different then then last time I had
> 'em"), the package moved a bit. I shook them out and there were maggots
> coming out of six or so of the goobers.
That's an easy one.
It has to do with not being able to keep bugs out of the peanut bins.
There is some type of bug (forgive me for not knowing which) that'll lay
eggs on/in the peanuts and the eggs are so small that they get by the
inspectors (there are a *lot* of peanuts).
Unfortunately, by the time the candy gets on the retail shelves, the eggs
have hatched and you have a candy bar full of insect larvae. This is why you
should never eat candy with nuts in a dark movie theatre. :-)
The candy manufacturers are very apologetic about these sorts of things
and if you had returned the candy to them, I'm sure they would have given
you a refund.
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>Well, I don't know about the length of the tapeworm, but according to my
>roommate (pre-med student), during the 1800's early 1900's, in England, and
>in some places in the US, women were so into the diet craze, that they
>swallowed tapeworms to keep them thin. It usually worked, and it was
This still happens, models can buy tapeworm eggs. A tapeworm helps
keep you slim.
>relatively easy to get them out (allegedly all you'd have to do is put a
>glass of milk in front of your mouth (they're attracted to the stuff), and
>they'd crawl out). Only problem was, people got choked by the tapeworms,
>because they'd take so long (they were so long) to get out. . .
OK a FOAF story, a friend of mine who used to be a model was having
dinner with a friend, another model, and a prospective boss when the
head of her tapeworm coughed out of her mouth and on to the restaurant
table. The only thing she could do was swallow it again !
>Yum
I agree !
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Terry Chan
(Stephanie da Silva) writes:
[My reminiscence of a maggot infested pack of Goobers deleted
tastefully (heh heh) deleted.]
[Stephanie's explanation of the phenomena also deleted.]
+This is why you should never eat candy with nuts in a dark movie theatre. :-)
Well, there's really no need. In all the U.S. theatres I've been in, you can
feel the maggots moving in the stuff on the floor under your seat :-).
+The candy manufacturers are very apologetic about these sorts of things
+and if you had returned the candy to them, I'm sure they would have given
+you a refund.
I suppose so, but the emotional trauma of going through that experience
again was really too much for me. This also reminds of the time I
crushed a cockroach on my teeth, but that's another story and this isn't
alt.tasteless (at least most of the time).
Terry "Burp!" Chan
Tom Maynard
>r...@cyclone.Berkeley.EDU (Roy Rapoport) writes:
[Stories of tapeworms for fun-n-profit deleted]
>>relatively easy to get them out (allegedly all you'd have to do is put a
>>glass of milk in front of your mouth (they're attracted to the stuff), and
>>they'd crawl out). Only problem was, people got choked by the tapeworms,
>>because they'd take so long (they were so long) to get out. . .
>OK a FOAF story, a friend of mine who used to be a model was having
>dinner with a friend, another model, and a prospective boss when the
>head of her tapeworm coughed out of her mouth and on to the restaurant
>table. The only thing she could do was swallow it again !
Sorry to interject some factoids in this one, but..
Tapeworms _DON'T_ come out ones mouth. They tend to be quite annoyed at
exiting through the stomach, and it's associated acids and proteases.
Tapeworms live in the small intestine, not the stomach, and they spend their
miserable little parasitic existance with their head (scolex) buried in your
intestinal wall. Their body absorbs the food in your intestine, and their
major goal in life, as with most parasites, is to propagate themselves.
Tapeworms normally are not known for "swimming upstream to spawn", as the
physiology of the intestines/stomach don't quite make that option too easy.
However, I believe it is quite common to have the tail of a tapeworm come
out of the anus, and be quite visibly alive that way...
...This would be much harder to incorporate into a lunch/dinner scenario
than coughing one up, though... (well, you see, these two models were having
dinner with an agent, and the one strips naked during the salad, and this
big tapeworm was hanging out of her butt! It looked kinda like the string
that was hanging out of the agent's butt, because he was a guru type guy
who swallows string and has both ends visible {other thread I had to work in})
It isn't too hard to remove tapeworms, as there are medicines that cause
them to detach from the intestine. Milk, however, is probably not one of
them. The result of the tapeworm is a thinner person, with intestinal
ulcers. Also, it is difficult to ensure that the person is totally uninfected,
or that the body didn't break off with the head attached. I believe that
hospitals often have lab people inspect the feces looking for the tapeworms
heads when they treat such people.
>>Yum
>I agree !
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--Tom Maynard UCSB Undergrad Bio Geek.
Murray Chapman
>...This would be much harder to incorporate into a lunch/dinner scenario
>than coughing one up, though... (well, you see, these two models were having
>dinner with an agent, and the one strips naked during the salad, and this
>big tapeworm was hanging out of her butt! It looked kinda like the string
>that was hanging out of the agent's butt, because he was a guru type guy
>who swallows string and has both ends visible {other thread I had to work in})
Sounds like you (or some one) was working the thread "out".
Murray Chapman
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In article <11...@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600...@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Tom Maynard) writes:
>However, I believe it is quite common to have the tail of a tapeworm come
>out of the anus, and be quite visibly alive that way...
>
>...This would be much harder to incorporate into a lunch/dinner scenario
>than coughing one up, though... (well, you see, these two models were having
>dinner with an agent, and the one strips naked during the salad, and this
>big tapeworm was hanging out of her butt! It looked kinda like the string
>that was hanging out of the agent's butt, because he was a guru type guy
>who swallows string and has both ends visible {other thread I had to work in})
Pun intentional??
So I guess these tapeworms are pretty darn bad things, and
we can't just start up a competitor to the Jenny Craig weight loss system
where we just give someone a tapeworm and let them eat WHATEVER they want??
Bummer.. despite these gross stories, it sounded like an easy/lazy
way to lost weight... Would there be a way to get enough nutrients while
still having the thing eat most of your food? (Note, I'm joking about 99.9%
about it being a "good" idea.. But that .1%.. I'd love to have a way to lose
weight with no work)
Anyway, if you've seen the most recent Star Trek:TNG, parasites
aren't all bad!! heh heh..
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In article <11...@hub.ucsb.edu>, 6600...@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Tom Maynard) writes:
> It isn't too hard to remove tapeworms, as there are medicines that cause
> them to detach from the intestine. Milk, however, is probably not one of
> them.
they live the longest (hehehe) part of their lives.
> The result of the tapeworm is a thinner person, with intestinal
> ulcers. Also, it is difficult to ensure that the person is totally uninfected,
> or that the body didn't break off with the head attached. I believe that
> hospitals often have lab people inspect the feces looking for the tapeworms
> heads when they treat such people.
Cool! Where do you get a job like this?
Jack Campin
> Tapeworms _DON'T_ come out ones mouth. They tend to be quite annoyed at
> exiting through the stomach, and it's associated acids and proteases.
> Tapeworms live in the small intestine, not the stomach, and they spend their
> miserable little parasitic existance with their head (scolex) buried in your
> intestinal wall.
Yup. On the other hand, roundworms (Ascaris) CAN swim around and ARE
sometimes coughed up, as they routinely visit the respiratory passages.
L9...@cunyvm.bitnet
(Stephanie da Silva) says:
>
>The candy manufacturers are very apologetic about these sorts of things
>and if you had returned the candy to them, I'm sure they would have given
>you a refund.
>
I once bought an Almond Joy which was halfconsumed by some sort of bug already.
So I sent it to the Hersey's. They sent back a whole booklet of coupons
which entitles to free Almond Joys!!!! I gave away all the coupons to my frien
ds. I was very popular in my high school :-)
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->> dit...@skbat.csc.ti.com (Eric Dittman) / 4:45 pm May 14, 1991 / writes:
->>
->Of course, a tapeworm from a hotdog is nothing compared to a bowl of
->Frosted Mini-Wheats I ate one morning. Well, half a bowl, actually.
->Kind of off the subject, but what the hey. The story is:
[story of gross neglegence on the part of Kellogs for not
including the bugs on the ingredients list deleted...]
->(NOTE: We didn't sue, or even suggest to the guy that we would. How
-> times change! I think today most people would try to sue.)
But, did you get a FREE box of Frosted Mini-Wheats, or some free
condoms, or something else FREE??
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Terry Chan
[Tapeworm stories cut out.]
+>>relatively easy to get them out (allegedly all you'd have to do is put a
+>>glass of milk in front of your mouth (they're attracted to the stuff), and
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+>>they'd crawl out). Only problem was, people got choked by the tapeworms,
+>>because they'd take so long (they were so long) to get out. . .
+
+Sorry to interject some factoids in this one, but..
+
[Some stuff on why tapeworms probably don't come upstream deleted.]
+
+It isn't too hard to remove tapeworms, as there are medicines that cause
+them to detach from the intestine. Milk, however, is probably not one of
+them.
This is quite right according to something like _The AMA Encyclopedia of
Medicine_. However, what I find interesting about this thread is the
suggestion by several folks that tapeworms would be attracted somehow to
milk. As noted in one of Brunvand's books (_The Mexican Pet_ as I recall),
there are old notions of how snakes are attracted to milk and that one could
coax a snake from the belly of a sleeper (another legend) by setting out a
dish of milk in front of him. I wonder if the old legends about snakes and
milk are related somehow to the tapeworms.
Terry "No milk for me thanks, I don't want to see anything come up" Chan