To all Tarot Reader.
Sue
Tony Tiger
<r...@qureshi86.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Please stop being so critical of each other. Don't you believe in Karma.
>
>
Welcome to alt.tarot terriorism... Take your shoes off and stay
awhile. There are those that like to pontificate... But, if you do,
do not be surprise when someone steps right up and tells you (smile),
Put a sock in sis, of course they can and some are, much more
discriptive than this, or you may just have the wrong room... As
someone aptly put the other day, "the hug fest is two doors down the
hall",... I think they have named it alt.tarot nice.
Now our local group tyrant will be along shortly to direct you to HIS
FAQ, of this little fiefdom... btw, if you do not want your fez
knocked off, you may wish to keep your head down... (We do have coup
in the works but the FAQ is not quite finished yet:))
tt
Mystic Phil
Sue <r...@qureshi86.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
70i4rv$rto$1...@newsreader1.core.theplanet.net...
>Please stop being so critical of each other. Don't you believe in Karma.
>
>
description of a tarot reader ..but after all we all know that anyone can
with a little time learn to read the cards :o)
take care
Mystic Phil
Mystic Phil
Tony Tiger <astr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
362cbc3e...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net...
>>
>>
>awhile. There are those that like to pontificate... But, if you do,
>do not be surprise when someone steps right up and tells you (smile),
>Put a sock in sis, of course they can and some are, much more
>discriptive than this, or you may just have the wrong room... As
>someone aptly put the other day, "the hug fest is two doors down the
>hall",... I think they have named it alt.tarot nice.
>
>Now our local group tyrant will be along shortly to direct you to HIS
>FAQ, of this little fiefdom... btw, if you do not want your fez
>knocked off, you may wish to keep your head down... (We do have coup
>in the works but the FAQ is not quite finished yet:))
>tt
ahhh you must be the Tony Tiger off the cearal packet .......cos you aint of
this world ...love is ok isnt it
take care
Mystic Phil
Medusa8S8S
In article <70ifkb$1um$1...@newsreader1.core.theplanet.net>, "Mystic Phil"
<fp...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>i sgree sue but seems that if i dont charge i dont conform to the laid down
>description of a tarot reader
Please re-read the thread on reading for money. There is not a single post
there that says this. On the other hand, there are many there, written by you,
insulting people who do charge fees.
Celebrate!
KatyRose
Gary Achenbach
r...@qureshi86.freeserve.co.uk says...
> Please stop being so critical of each other. Don't you believe in Karma.
>
"Karma" doesn't really mean what you think it means.
--Gar
Tony Tiger
Very good point Gar, please do continue.
tt
BaddM0J0
>"Karma" doesn't really mean what you think it means.
>
>--Gar
>
Shouldnt this have read "I don't think Karma means what you..."
Or are you a mind-reader/psychic now too?
Why do so many seem to think they know what the other person means,thinks or
knows these days? Is everone using Manic VII now?..lolol
Peace,
*MoJo*
Shannon
Gary Achenbach wrote in message ...
>"Karma" doesn't really mean what you think it means.
Inconceivable!
--Shannon
Rhianna
>i sgree sue but seems that if i dont charge i dont conform to the laid down
>with a little time learn to read the cards :o)
>take care
>Mystic Phil
Mystic Phil, I consider myself to be a Tarot reader, yet I do not
charge for my web services, nor did I request a definite sum when I
performed the readings in person (I merely requested a coin).
The decision whether to charge, what to charge or whether to not
charge at all is an individual decision.
~Cheers~
Rhianna
http://www.pipeline.com/~rhianna/index.htm
Zodiac, Tarot cards, groovy fortunetelling, stars, mystical fun stuff.
Tony Tiger
wrote:
This is correct... There is nothing wrong in giving a sample of your
work. It is a simple goodness, that some (even me) may have lost
sight of.
tt
Medusa8S8S
In article <70j0d7$13v$1...@camel0.mindspring.com>, rhi...@pipeline.com (Rhianna)
writes:
> The decision whether to charge, what to charge or whether to not
>charge at all is an individual decision.
>
And that statement says it all...
Celebrate!
KatyRose
Inagehi
Gary Achenbach wrote in message ...
<70i4rv$rto$1...@newsreader1.core.theplanet.net>,
>r...@qureshi86.freeserve.co.uk says...
>
>> Please stop being so critical of each other.
Don't you believe in Karma.
>>
means.
>
>Awwww come on now everybody.....Group hug!!!
Inagehi
<ferngul...@tenforward.com>
Remove no spam to reply, or not, it's up to you
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The tragedy of Science...... a beautiful
hypothesis slain by an ugly fact.
Aldous Huxley
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
robin
>
> >>
> >"Karma" doesn't really mean what you think it means.
> >
> >--Gar
> >
>
> Or are you a mind-reader/psychic now too?
>
> Why do so many seem to think they know what the other person means,thinks or
> knows these days? Is everone using Manic VII now?..lolol
>
> Peace,
> *MoJo*
Manic VII????
robin
>
> In article <70i4rv$rto$1...@newsreader1.core.theplanet.net>,
> r...@qureshi86.freeserve.co.uk says...
>
> > Please stop being so critical of each other. Don't you believe in Karma.
> >
>
> --Gar
Oh my! This ought to be good!
Tsriker
>>"Karma" doesn't really mean what you think it means.
>Inconceivable!
>--Shannon
. . . pronounced with just the right amount of lisp, from a Sicilian who knows!
Tomas
BaddM0J0
It's some spam email that I keep getting that is suppose to be a pill you take
that "unleashes your psychic power"...lololol!
Mystic Phil
robin <ro...@swlink.net> wrote in message 362D29...@swlink.net...
>Gary Achenbach wrote:
>>
>> In article <70i4rv$rto$1...@newsreader1.core.theplanet.net>,
>> r...@qureshi86.freeserve.co.uk says...
>>
>> > Please stop being so critical of each other. Don't you believe in
Karma.
>> >
>>
>Oh my! This ought to be good!
Hey gary knew exactly what Sue meant and is just trying to continue this
argument ....perhaps he hasnt noticed that its dead now.......but as a last
comment to people refering to tree hugging hippies maybe they should do
their homework as it was just those people who reserected tarot cards and
made it posible for the people who charge for readings to become popular
again and to make money out of it
Take care and chill out people i have been accused of insulting people here
..maybe some of them should reread the messages
Mystic Phil
Tony Tiger
wrote:
>
>robin <ro...@swlink.net> wrote in message 362D29...@swlink.net...
>>Gary Achenbach wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <70i4rv$rto$1...@newsreader1.core.theplanet.net>,
>>> r...@qureshi86.freeserve.co.uk says...
>>>
>>> > Please stop being so critical of each other. Don't you believe in
>Karma.
>>> >
>>> "Karma" doesn't really mean what you think it means.
>>>
>>> --Gar
>
>>Oh my! This ought to be good!
>
>Hey gary knew exactly what Sue meant and is just trying to continue this
>argument ....perhaps he hasnt noticed that its dead now.......but as a last
>comment to people refering to tree hugging hippies maybe they should do
>their homework as it was just those people who reserected tarot cards and
>made it posible for the people who charge for readings to become popular
>again and to make money out of it
You are kidding right, Phil? I mean, you may have had a few hippie
dippy weatherman out there but they were not making any money nor
making any significant contribution to advance the study or
understandy of astrology or tarot (unless you are making a reference
to that "Age of Aguarius" stage show). As far as real astrologers/
readers and pioneers of the universal mind, you have precious
few...Carl Jung, Robert Hand comes to mind, Jean Dixon (and this gal
was doing this way before country was cool), and of course the Parkers
(Derek and Julia)... Before this you have to travel to the G.D.
What you would want to include Kreskin, I suppose, you have his magic
cubes, or maybe one of those funny little eight balls perhaps...
>Take care and chill out people i have been accused of insulting people here
>..maybe some of them should reread the messages
>
>Mystic Phil
>
>
I find you not so insulting to people but very insulting to people's
intelligence... maybe you should take a little of your own advice. I
mean, don't you see this the least wee bit embarrassing or are you
just beyond all that.
tt
Mystic Phil
>I find you not so insulting to people but very insulting to people's
>intelligence... maybe you should take a little of your own advice. I
>mean, don't you see this the least wee bit embarrassing or are you
>just beyond all that.
>tt
why should i be embarrased i dont charge and in case your havnt noticed also
offer a free service on here ........i dont have to prove my abilities as i
have been reading tarot cards for a lot of years with great success
..........and i can live with my conscience.....knowing i have helped people
with it costing them ...i think charging is called hitting a person when
they are down ...after all 90% of people who come for readings have specific
problems
Take care
Mystic Phil
Gary Achenbach
badd...@aol.com says...
> >>
> >"Karma" doesn't really mean what you think it means.
> >
> >--Gar
> >
>
If I'd been writing in e-prime, sure. I tend not to, though, because it
tends to have as much bite as a sleeping man on heavy novocaine wearing
nerf dentures.
> Or are you a mind-reader/psychic now too?
Why do you say "too"? The original poster made exactly two statements,
neither of which was "I am a mind-reader/psychic". If you intend to pick
nits with semantic accuracy (and do so with any sort of teeth), it is
helpful to manage the same thing yourself.
> Why do so many seem to think they know what the other person means,thinks or
> knows these days?
In general terms, the phenomenon is called "projection", and it isn't a
problem limited to the present day. I gather you think I'm guilty of it,
so let's go to specifics:
Two statements were made: "Please stop being so critical of each other"
and "Don't you believe in Karma". Faced with this, I made several
assumptions:
1) The poster intended these two statement/requests to have some kind of
coherent connection to one another.
2) The poster felt that this connection was a logical one.
3) The poster felt the nature of this logical connection was that
"believing in karma" would make the necessity of ceasing of "being so
critical of each other" self-evident.
4) "Karma" is believed to mean a certain thing(s), in order that
believing in it would satisfy #3. Generally speaking, this tends to be a
kind of vague "karma's gonna getcha if you doan watch out" attitude;
which makes #4 an assumption based on a generalization, but that's an
acceptable risk, since my own sentence is absolutely correct no matter
who you apply it to (that includes myself).
The whole chain of logic falls apart if, horrors, "Karma" turns out to
mean something that doesn't support it. A terse response gave the best
overall chance of giving pause to think, when compared to the same
chances of a lengthier speech causing someone to stop and think.
--Gar
Gary Achenbach
fp...@bigfoot.com says...
>
> Hey gary knew exactly what Sue meant
MoJo would probably take exception to that.
> and is just trying to continue this argument
"Just" is a sadly convenient word in most hands, through no real fault of
its own.
--Gar
Sue
Mystic Phil wrote in message
<70kl1i$aat$1...@newsreader1.core.theplanet.net>...
readings, I charge some and other I do for free. Us Tarot readers have
spent a good deal of time learning not only different lay outs of cards but
their meanings, if we put so much time into it why not take a reward.
When I first read the e-mails in this group I was upset by the way some of
the none believers put all the others who take the trouble to write in and
give their advice criticised. I like to hear other peoples ideas and found
allot of good advise here.
Thank you
Sue.
Sue
Mystic Phil wrote in message
<70kl1i$aat$1...@newsreader1.core.theplanet.net>...
>
>>I find you not so insulting to people but very insulting to people's
>>intelligence...
>>
>>>
also
>
>
>>
I do allot of free readings, for family and friends, I also do free first
readings free, when people come back to me the second time I make a charge
if I feel I want to I think it is up to the Tarot reader to make his own
mind up Its his gift, People should do as they please, NOBODY should ever
put you down over this, some of the best readings I have received have been
for free Well done Mystic Phil.. TOP MAN.
Medusa8S8S
In article <70kl1i$aat$1...@newsreader1.core.theplanet.net>, "Mystic Phil"
<fp...@bigfoot.com> writes:
.i dont have to prove my abilities as i
>have been reading tarot cards for a lot of years with great success
>..........and i can live with my conscience.....knowing i have helped people
>with it costing them ...i think charging is called hitting a person when
>they are down ...after all 90% of people who come for readings have specific
>problems
I see you have gone from "80% accuracy" to "great success". Congratulations.
At your current rate of achievement, by next week you should be up to at least
125% accuracy.
The next time you are in "need", such as being sick, try telling a doctor that
you think charging a person when they are down is not an ethical thing to do.
You may die before he finishes laughing.
You brag about all the people who are inundating you for requests for readings,
as though this is some great vote of confidence in your character and
abilities, when the real reason is that your readings and character do not have
to meet any criteria, because your readings are FREE, so what do they have to
lose?
As I've said before (one of the various points to which you have preferred not
to respond), I would feel very unethical and exploitive were I to ask another
person for anything for which I did not offer something in return. You are
leading people into the temptation of taking advantage of another, as well as
being more self-perceived martyr than humanitarian.
But, let me diverge for a moment. If reading cards were the ONLY way in which
a person could generate income (because of some sort of disability or
whatever), and otherwise s/he would have to live on welfare, would you still
think that s/he should give away their services?
Celebrate!
KatyRose
Tony Tiger
Please Sue, your splinters are starting to show. We have all done pro
bono work, if there is a decision to war or not to war... Where the
blood of our brothers is at stake, and our freedom. I think we know
where to draw the line... sometimes it is a simple line in the sand,
from which there is no retreat and no surrender.
I am just trying to make you understand that I am a traditional
astrologer, in the ancient sense of the word. This is a position that
one not enter into lightly. I suppose that there are professionals
and there are professionals... some see their duty in diffrent light.
I take a less compassionate approch but it does not mean that I am
void of compassion, like when Patton slapped the soilder to try and
get him to snap out of it... it either kills us or makes us stronger.
tt
BaddM0J0
>
>MoJo would probably take exception to that.
>
Right on the money this time,Gar! <grin>
Peace,
*MoJo*
BaddM0J0
>neither of which was "I am a mind-reader/psychic". If you intend to pick
>nits with semantic accuracy (and do so with any sort of teeth), it is
>helpful to manage the same thing yourself.
Sorry...That was an indirect reference to some other post of the same vein from
someone else,not you or the original poster of the content in
question......There seem to be a few "high & mighty's" floating arond the NG
with the illusion that they know what people are thinking,saying, meaning
better than the poster...I was simply asking if you were of that type as
well......But in a joking manner.
>The whole chain of logic falls apart if, >horrors, "Karma" turns out to
>mean something that doesn't support it.
So she should have been specific and said "bad Karma" instead of simply Karma?
Peace,
*MoJo*
J. Karlin
> I take a less compassionate approch
Yeah, you're a con artist---compassion has little to do with
your 'approach'.
> but it does not mean that I am
> void of compassion,
Well, one thing you are unquestionably 'void of' is any knowledge
about tarot.
Since you insist on pretending to the contrary, particularly with
people you might try to sucker into paying you for 'training',
I'd say you're damned low on compassion as well.
> like when Patton slapped the soilder to try and
> get him to snap out of it...
Patton slapped the soldier because Patton was a sociopath
(which is basically a requirement to be a military officer),
who could not cope with the idea that his orders had
dire consequences for the psyches (not to mention, bodies)
of the men under his command. He was reprimanded for
the behavior and later apologized, perhaps without sincerity,
for his action.
If you're trying to compare yourself to Patton, I think you
might want to, as he put it, 'read the book', which is something
you clearly have not done, at least not to any obvious impact
on your ability to write knowledgeably about---well, anything.
> it either kills us or makes us stronger.
Or bores us with your peabrained versions of military history
cum caveman philosophy.
(jk)
Tony Tiger
wrote:
>Tony Tiger wrote:
>
>> I take a less compassionate approch
>
>Yeah, you're a con artist---compassion has little to do with
>your 'approach'.
>
Oh, there you are lizard brain, been wondering when the "real" you
would make your appearance.
>> but it does not mean that I am
>> void of compassion,
>
>Well, one thing you are unquestionably 'void of' is any knowledge
>about tarot.
>
Speak for yourself you Crowley clone.
>Since you insist on pretending to the contrary, particularly with
>people you might try to sucker into paying you for 'training',
>I'd say you're damned low on compassion as well.
>
I have never charged for training, dimwit.
>> like when Patton slapped the soilder to try and
>> get him to snap out of it...
>
>Patton slapped the soldier because Patton was a sociopath
>(which is basically a requirement to be a military officer),
>who could not cope with the idea that his orders had
>dire consequences for the psyches (not to mention, bodies)
>of the men under his command. He was reprimanded for
>the behavior and later apologized, perhaps without sincerity,
>for his action.
>
Well, he did get the job done... Run Rommel clear out of North Africa,
with tail tucked between his legs... Something that we might
wittnesses (hopefully soon) here in alt.tarot, Field Marshall Jess.
>If you're trying to compare yourself to Patton, I think you
>might want to, as he put it, 'read the book', which is something
>you clearly have not done, at least not to any obvious impact
>on your ability to write knowledgeably about---well, anything.
>
Like you do, perhaps?
>> it either kills us or makes us stronger.
>
>Or bores us with your peabrained versions of military history
>cum caveman philosophy.
>
>(jk)
Well that is something you would know something about with your
Neanderthal mentality.
tt
J. Karlin
> >> but it does not mean that I am
> >> void of compassion,
> >
> >Well, one thing you are unquestionably 'void of' is any knowledge
> >about tarot.
> >
> Speak for yourself you Crowley clone.
No, I'm speaking about YOU, you idiot.
Your track record here is open for all to review on Deja News.
Of course, it's helpful to readers to know that you've changed your
name from Susan Kline (or Klein) to Tony Tiger. But you're still
the same spamming jackass you always have been. Your only
motive here is to fuck up alt.tarot with stupid comments because
the readers of this group asked you not to advertise here anymore.
You might recall Susan's posts from last year, look for the
'Now Seeking Tarot Managers for 900 Line Status' thread
from October, 1997 on Deja News.
So do you all recall how TT claims (s)he would never take any of
us for his (or her) 'operation' cause his company only takes
the 'best', the 'cream of the crop'.
Let me show you what he's talking about---here is one of the
cups of 'cream' he's decided to try skimming for 'readers'---
------------------------------------
Readers needed (864) 599-8935
Author: astroguy
Email: astr...@bellsouth.net
Date: 1997/10/19
Forums: alt.sex.prostitution
Readers and astrologers needed. Experience counts [!!] but
insights and exceptional communications skill [yuck, yuck] most
important. Full and partime position [missionary, doggie-style].
Serious inquires only. Not a get rich quick thing [for the 'girls']
but certain rewards for hard work and displine [that's what Bill
told Monica]. Working for the Introvision Group you will be among
the cream of the 900 psychic lines, with a good chance to advance
your position [customers sometimes like you to get on top] and
build your future business. Call (864) 599-8935. Leave message.
------------------------------------
Now, the last time we saw 'Susan' was a couple of days before she
turned into Tony Tiger:
Author: Susan Klein
Email: astr...@bellsouth.net
Date: 1998/07/11
Forums: alt.tarot
Set your browser for:
http://astroservices.ontheweb.nu
We are online live... You can activate your free calling card online
live. Because we are On the Web, standing by (none of this www.stuff
around here:) Because We Won't Wait!!!
Go to site and click on the Free Calling Card Link
---------------
As for why she made the switch in names, well, a couple of
possibilities:
1. She fucked up and used the correct spelling of her last name.
There is a Susan Klein who lives in Spartanburg, SC, which is
where 'Astro Services' is located. Previously she had spelled it
'Kline', I suppose to throw 'them' off the track. At any rate,
a couple of days after this, Tony Tiger was born.
2. Also, maybe she wanted us to forget she was the idiot who
posted crap like the following:
-----------
Subject: War
Author: susan kline
Email: astr...@205.152.0.20 [returns 'bellsouth.net']
Date: 1998/02/21
Forums: alt.tarot
Astrologically speaking, the war in the Gulf should began around 5:00
EST. You will have a solar eclipse in the first house of Pisces...
The first house is naturally under Aries rulership. This arian type
energy is most closely related to Mars, God of War. Just remember you
heard it here first. People always seem to complain because our
predictions are not specific enough.
The prediction is not broad at all, it will begin something during the
solar eclipse of Feb. 26th. I forget that all are not astrologers at
this site... As to when you decide to tie you shoe laces or anything
else that you might think important... In the whole scheme of things
it does not matter that much now does it.
-----------
You all remember the 'war in the Gulf' that began around
'5:00 EST' 'during the solar eclipse of Feb. 26th.'
Shades of Dr. Turi.
Finally, take a look at this:
-----------
Subject: Free ISP for the chronically depressed
Author:Tony Tiger
Email:astr...@bellsouth.net
Date:1998/07/15
Forums:alt.support.depression
This is not an advertizement but a cure...
If bills, day after day, month after month, year in and year out, get
you feeling down and blue (it does me too).
The cure is near as your keyboard... I would have you e-mail me but I
feel soooooooooooooo good that none of you will find me home but out
and about. I feel happy, I feel healthy, I feel greaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!
If you want to feel better too go to my site at:
http://astroservices.ontheweb.nu
Just click on the Free ISP link...You will be so glad you did!
-------------------
I think you can see now where this 'soldier-slapping' dynamic
has its application in Susan's or Tony's 'method'.
> Well, he did get the job done... Run Rommel clear out of North Africa,
What would you run me out of here with, Susan? You have no tanks,
no planes, and no intelligence, nor do you have any more time---the
clock on your dumb game just expired.
(jk)
J. Karlin
> >No, I'm speaking about YOU, you idiot.
> >
> No you do not mean me, wad (if you are talking about my x).
You mean your 'ex' personality?
> >Your track record here is open for all to review on Deja News.
> >
> Boy did you spend a lot of time to get around your elbow to thumb...
> Let me just give you a finger for effort... But you still got it wrong
> bucko.
No, I didn't. I got 'it' and you right between your beady little
con-artist eyes.
It doesn't really matter what kind of stupid excuse you have
for the fact you experienced a sudden name change. The point
is that you're a spammer, and that your only interest in posting
to this newsgroup is to piss on it because people told you
to quit advertising here.
> Look you stupid geek, I was using my x's computer,
Oh look, a variation on the 'it's my student's fault' ploy.
Now it's 'my x's computer.'
It doesn't really matter what name is attached to these postings
from your company, your only motive for posting here is to
get some kind of moronic revenge for the fact that people here
agreed with your 'x' and rejected your advances.
> >Let me show you what he's talking about---here is one of the
> >cups of 'cream' he's decided to try skimming for 'readers'---
> >
> >------------------------------------
> <just snip it>
I'll bet you'd like to snip the ad you placed on alt.sex.prostitution
but you can't. You made it. You live with it.
> Ads were placed for working for the PRN,
The ads were placed by you, weren't they? You were their recruiter,
weren't you? That's what you do for a living, isn't it?
You make money recruiting for, and running, 'psychic'
telemarketing scams. That's why you don't care where you get
the bodies (or the 'cream'). To you, tarot is just a tool
of the grift, and nothing more.
> >> Well, he did get the job done... Run Rommel clear out of North Africa,
> >
> >What would you run me out of here with, Susan? You have no tanks,
> >no planes, and no intelligence, nor do you have any more time---the
> >clock on your dumb game just expired.
> >
> >(jk)
> I think you are doing just fine on your own...
I'm doing fine pointing out what you are and I'm going to keep
it up as long as you post here.
> You can not understand
> that you are clearly wrong on a point of information,
What I understand is that you are a con artist and a liar
and who knows what other 'virtues' you hold dear.
You wouldn't know an honest 'point of information' if it were
driven like a stake into your heart.
(jk)
J. Karlin
> Obviously, I'm not in agreement that Tony is grrreeeaaattt, however, I found it
> interesting that Jess claims an ad on alt.sex.prostitution, and Tony denies
> one,
That's not interesting, that's just more evidence that TT is a liar.
If you're having trouble finding the post, try doing an author
profile for astr...@bellsouth.net. You'll find the post to
alt.sex.prostitution.
For some reason, dejanews will not return the same post if
you just run a check on 'astroguy' as author, but when I checked
astr...@bellsouth.net as author for the forum, alt.sex.prostitution,
the post also came up.
You can also try searching for phrases in the post. Sometimes that
works, sometimes not.
(jk)
ilan pillemer
On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Sue wrote:
> Please stop being so critical of each other. Don't you believe in Karma.
how exactly do you go about believeing in Karma?
can you give me practise techniques so I can learn this fascinating skill.
little me
>
>
>
>
Tony Tiger
wrote:
>Tony Tiger wrote:
>
>> >> but it does not mean that I am
>> >> void of compassion,
>> >
>> >Well, one thing you are unquestionably 'void of' is any knowledge
>> >about tarot.
>> >
>> Speak for yourself you Crowley clone.
>
>No, I'm speaking about YOU, you idiot.
>
No you do not mean me, wad (if you are talking about my x).. But if
you want to call Susan, she now lives in Palm Beach.
>Your track record here is open for all to review on Deja News.
>
Boy did you spend a lot of time to get around your elbow to thumb...
Let me just give you a finger for effort... But you still got it wrong
bucko.
>Of course, it's helpful to readers to know that you've changed your
>name from Susan Kline (or Klein) to Tony Tiger. But you're still
>the same spamming jackass you always have been. Your only
>motive here is to fuck up alt.tarot with stupid comments because
>the readers of this group asked you not to advertise here anymore.
>
>You might recall Susan's posts from last year, look for the
>'Now Seeking Tarot Managers for 900 Line Status' thread
>from October, 1997 on Deja News.
>
Look you stupid geek, I was using my x's computer, you little nimrod.
>So do you all recall how TT claims (s)he would never take any of
>us for his (or her) 'operation' cause his company only takes
>the 'best', the 'cream of the crop'.
>
Not her me, you freaking jerk.
>Let me show you what he's talking about---here is one of the
>cups of 'cream' he's decided to try skimming for 'readers'---
>
>------------------------------------
<just snip it>
Ads were placed for working for the PRN, not MY line, so what in world
is it to you, loser?
>> Well, he did get the job done... Run Rommel clear out of North Africa,
>
>What would you run me out of here with, Susan? You have no tanks,
>no planes, and no intelligence, nor do you have any more time---the
>clock on your dumb game just expired.
>
>(jk)
I think you are doing just fine on your own... You can not understand
that you are clearly wrong on a point of information, so you run Jess,
run... You pull up at lot of crap that has nothing to do with what we
were talking about just so you can baffle everyone with your B.S....
That you still can't seem to get quite right... What a loser.
tt
Tony Tiger
wrote:
>Tony Tiger wrote:
>
>> >No, I'm speaking about YOU, you idiot.
>> >
>> No you do not mean me, wad (if you are talking about my x).
>
>You mean your 'ex' personality?
>
>> >Your track record here is open for all to review on Deja News.
>> >
>> Boy did you spend a lot of time to get around your elbow to thumb...
>> Let me just give you a finger for effort... But you still got it wrong
>> bucko.
>
>No, I didn't. I got 'it' and you right between your beady little
>con-artist eyes.
>
You are a greasy little twit... You think, and what you know, is
nothing.
>It doesn't really matter what kind of stupid excuse you have
>for the fact you experienced a sudden name change. The point
>is that you're a spammer, and that your only interest in posting
>to this newsgroup is to piss on it because people told you
>to quit advertising here.
>
And you are a loser.
>> Look you stupid geek, I was using my x's computer,
>
>Oh look, a variation on the 'it's my student's fault' ploy.
>
>Now it's 'my x's computer.'
>
No, I was at the keyboard.
>It doesn't really matter what name is attached to these postings
>from your company, your only motive for posting here is to
>get some kind of moronic revenge for the fact that people here
>agreed with your 'x' and rejected your advances.
>
You just cannot accept a fact when you are wrong... And no, me and
Suan maintain a very good relationship, that you for asking. She
simply finds life in Palm Beach more to her liking.
>> >Let me show you what he's talking about---here is one of the
>> >cups of 'cream' he's decided to try skimming for 'readers'---
>> >
>> >------------------------------------
>> <just snip it>
>
>I'll bet you'd like to snip the ad you placed on alt.sex.prostitution
>but you can't. You made it. You live with it.
>
All ads were placed to the groups that had the most traffic...
demographics, if you wish... but there was never an ad placed in
alt.sex.prostitution, that is something of your contrivarence... As it
is you whom is the true master of deception.
>> Ads were placed for working for the PRN,
>
>The ads were placed by you, weren't they? You were their recruiter,
>weren't you? That's what you do for a living, isn't it?
>
>You make money recruiting for, and running, 'psychic'
>telemarketing scams. That's why you don't care where you get
>the bodies (or the 'cream'). To you, tarot is just a tool
>of the grift, and nothing more.
>
I will help anyone who has the burning desire to learn, and the sense
to see beyond the ordinary... something that you will never have to
concern yourself with, as it is clear you will never see past your
over inflated ego.
>> >> Well, he did get the job done... Run Rommel clear out of North Africa,
>> >
>> >What would you run me out of here with, Susan? You have no tanks,
>> >no planes, and no intelligence, nor do you have any more time---the
>> >clock on your dumb game just expired.
>> >
>> >(jk)
>
>> I think you are doing just fine on your own...
>
>I'm doing fine pointing out what you are and I'm going to keep
>it up as long as you post here.
>
Well, I expect nothing less from a lame wanta be.
>> You can not understand
>> that you are clearly wrong on a point of information,
>
>What I understand is that you are a con artist and a liar
>and who knows what other 'virtues' you hold dear.
>
>You wouldn't know an honest 'point of information' if it were
>driven like a stake into your heart.
>
>(jk)
Well, it is clear that you certainly have a problem with the truth,
stake or otherwise, you just do not get it... What a moron.
tt
Medusa8S8S
Obviously, I'm not in agreement that Tony is grrreeeaaattt, however, I found it
interesting that Jess claims an ad on alt.sex.prostitution, and Tony denies
one, which seems like it should be simple enough to prove one way or another.
However, on jaunting on over to Deja News, although I can find many ads from
Tony's e-mail address, I can find no trace of such an ad in
alt.sex.prostitution, either when I call up astr...@bellsouth.net for that
newsgroup for any date, past or current, or when I just call up the newsgroup
itself for the indicated day. Perhaps someone can tell me what I am doing
wrong, or if this sort of thing sometimes happens in Deja News.
Celebrate!
KatyRose
Medusa8S8S
In article <362EA716...@texas.net>, "J. Karlin" <r3wi...@texas.net>
writes:
>If you're having trouble finding the post, try doing an author
>profile for astr...@bellsouth.net. You'll find the post to
>alt.sex.prostitution.
>
Thanks for the tip, but I only had limited success. On an author profile it is
indicated that a post was made to alt.sex.prostitution, although when clicked
on (as with most of the newsgroups Tony was listed as posting on) the stupid
report came back as "no matches".
Through the linking of Tarot/telephone sex/prostitution that I have seen
lately, I am beginning to see just how exploitive psychic lines are, and why
some people compare the managers to pimps. Unfortunately, there is a great
yearning out there for what readers have to offer, with no effective way for
the average reader to respond, which, of course, is what creates the market for
these phone lines.
Anyway, Jess, you helped me, even if inadvertently, reconcile my thinking on
this topic, and I thank you for it.
Celebrate!
KatyRose
Tony Tiger
wrote:
>Medusa8S8S wrote:
>
>> Obviously, I'm not in agreement that Tony is grrreeeaaattt, however, I found it
>> interesting that Jess claims an ad on alt.sex.prostitution, and Tony denies
>> one,
>
>That's not interesting, that's just more evidence that TT is a liar.
>
>If you're having trouble finding the post, try doing an author
>profile for astr...@bellsouth.net. You'll find the post to
>alt.sex.prostitution.
>
>For some reason, dejanews will not return the same post if
>you just run a check on 'astroguy' as author, but when I checked
>astr...@bellsouth.net as author for the forum, alt.sex.prostitution,
>the post also came up.
>
>You can also try searching for phrases in the post. Sometimes that
>works, sometimes not.
>
>(jk)
How about you are just a lying bastard... I would not say that
sometimes fits, but fits you all the time. You bit of nothing but a
wanna be piece of white trash.
tt
Tony Tiger
>
>In article <362EA716...@texas.net>, "J. Karlin" <r3wi...@texas.net>
>writes:
>
>>If you're having trouble finding the post, try doing an author
>>profile for astr...@bellsouth.net. You'll find the post to
>>alt.sex.prostitution.
>>
>Thanks for the tip, but I only had limited success. On an author profile it is
>indicated that a post was made to alt.sex.prostitution, although when clicked
>on (as with most of the newsgroups Tony was listed as posting on) the stupid
>report came back as "no matches".
>
There are no matches, cause it aint there sister. I have a copy to
evey place that I have ever post to, if you would like I can e-mail
you and you can see for youself.
>Through the linking of Tarot/telephone sex/prostitution that I have seen
>lately, I am beginning to see just how exploitive psychic lines are, and why
>some people compare the managers to pimps. Unfortunately, there is a great
>yearning out there for what readers have to offer, with no effective way for
>the average reader to respond, which, of course, is what creates the market for
>these phone lines.
>
This is certainly true.
>Anyway, Jess, you helped me, even if inadvertently, reconcile my thinking on
>this topic, and I thank you for it.
>
>Celebrate!
>KatyRose
>
Well, maybe the jerk is good for something, if for nothing but his
greasy way of slipping out from a spot where he is clearly nailed...
Pulling crap out of the hat, like it is suppose to mean something,
while all the time the goof knows he is wrong and just looking for a
way to worm his way out... Really fun to watch:)
tt
Gary Achenbach
badd...@aol.com says...
> >The whole chain of logic falls apart if, >horrors, "Karma" turns out to
> >mean something that doesn't support it.
>
> So she should have been specific and said "bad Karma" instead of simply Karma?
>
Presumably Sue believes that "bad Karma" occurs when "all Tarot Reader"
are "critical to one another"; the converse is that "good Karma" results
if "all Tarot Reader" aren't "critical to one another".
The upshot of this is, the statement would have merited the same response
even with the monosyllable-of-choice stuck in front of it.
--Gar
J. Karlin
> Thanks for the tip, but I only had limited success. On an author profile it is
> indicated that a post was made to alt.sex.prostitution,
Just checked it again this AM. It's still there and can still be
read.
> although when clicked
> on (as with most of the newsgroups Tony was listed as posting on) the stupid
> report came back as "no matches".
I think Deja News might be having some kind of technical problem.
For example, this AM, when I checked on the message, initially
it reported 'no match' and then when I reloaded the screen,
it found the message. At any rate, you DID verify a match in
the author profile.
> Through the linking of Tarot/telephone sex/prostitution that I have seen
> lately, I am beginning to see just how exploitive psychic lines are,
They're just a telemarketing scam. They always have been.
And they are a big reason why people will continue to think of
tarot reading as something only con artists or idiots would
do. It's looked at as being either a salve for the emotional
problems of mental midgets or the poor, or an 'employment
opportunity' for grifters and their prostitutes.
That's partly why I've been so aggressive in targeting their
ads here---they're not ontopic and they are promoting an
abusive and exploitative co-opting of tarot for unethical
(and in some cases, criminal) activity.
> Anyway, Jess, you helped me, even if inadvertently, reconcile my thinking on
> this topic, and I thank you for it.
You're welcome.
For those who would like to see some of the ways in which I've
'assisted' the psychic-scam industry over the years, refer
to:
http://zenpop.home.mindspring.com/links.html
Read the page, it's pretty funny, and links to other slams against
the telepsychic industry. The link to my stuff is at the bottom,
under 'Newsgroup Mania'---and no, I didn't provide this material
to this site, they seemed to think it was amusing. Most of
it was written at a time when we were getting really buried by
telepsychic spam. I always try to do my part in 'helping'
the spammers to feel 'welcome' (to get the hell out of here).
(jk)
J. Karlin
> On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Sue wrote:
>
> > Please stop being so critical of each other. Don't you believe in Karma.
>
> how exactly do you go about believeing in Karma?
How was boot camp, Ilan?
(jk)
J. Karlin
> There are no matches, cause it aint there sister.
You're a liar. She found the reference to the post to
alt.sex.prostitution in your author profile. How come that
came up if there is no post?
> I have a copy to
> evey place that I have ever post to, if you would like I can e-mail
> you and you can see for youself.
You can e-mail anything. Deja News has the objective record
of what you've posted, and it shows you posted to
alt.sex.prostitution and a bunch of other sex groups
looking for victims.
> This is certainly true.
Yeah, and you help make it true by recruiting and employing
the people to keep the scams going.
> Well, maybe the jerk is good for something, if for nothing but his
> greasy way of slipping out from a spot where he is clearly nailed...
The only thing nailed here is your ass to a 'not wanted' poster.
(jk)
J. Karlin
> How about you are just a lying bastard...
Except I'm not lying.
(jk)
robin
>
> >
> There are no matches, cause it aint there sister. I have a copy to
> evey place that I have ever post to, if you would like I can e-mail
> you and you can see for youself.
It is there! I did a search and the post came up immediately.
J. Karlin
Of course, that's cause it's REALLY there, and TT is a liar
when he says otherwise.
So, if he'll think nothing of lying about that, AND given the
nature of his 'profession', which is based on lying, what aspect
of his character or his behavior (especially as these have been
manifested on this newsgroup for WAY too long) suggests we
should believe anything he says about anything?
(jk)
Tony Tiger
wrote:
>Tony Tiger wrote:
Well, it certain is not on my files but say what you wish, Karlin, it
might even be a preddy good idea now that I have time to think on it.
So I think I will give it a try... What do you think about that? You
know, I don't give a rats ass what you think:))
tt
robin
>
> I think Deja News might be having some kind of technical problem.
> For example, this AM, when I checked on the message, initially
> it reported 'no match' and then when I reloaded the screen,
> it found the message. At any rate, you DID verify a match in
> the author profile.
I found it this morning. It is there. tt is a liar. Question is why lie
about something so easy to prove? Is he that fucking stupid? Why not
say..yea, I wrote it..big fucking deal
Tony Tiger
wrote:
>Medusa8S8S wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the tip, but I only had limited success. On an author profile it is
>> indicated that a post was made to alt.sex.prostitution,
>
>Just checked it again this AM. It's still there and can still be
>read.
>
It is not you lying jerk.
>> although when clicked
>> on (as with most of the newsgroups Tony was listed as posting on) the stupid
>> report came back as "no matches".
>
>I think Deja News might be having some kind of technical problem.
>For example, this AM, when I checked on the message, initially
>it reported 'no match' and then when I reloaded the screen,
>it found the message. At any rate, you DID verify a match in
>the author profile.
>
You know jk, I think it reveals more on you that I could ever say.
>> Through the linking of Tarot/telephone sex/prostitution that I have seen
>> lately, I am beginning to see just how exploitive psychic lines are,
>
>They're just a telemarketing scam. They always have been.
>
Whatever you say, you rather poor excuse for, what did you say you do?
Nothing??? That it.
>And they are a big reason why people will continue to think of
>tarot reading as something only con artists or idiots would
>do. It's looked at as being either a salve for the emotional
>problems of mental midgets or the poor, or an 'employment
>opportunity' for grifters and their prostitutes.
>
>That's partly why I've been so aggressive in targeting their
>ads here---they're not ontopic and they are promoting an
>abusive and exploitative co-opting of tarot for unethical
>(and in some cases, criminal) activity.
>
Well, only in Ameica, huh jk?
>> Anyway, Jess, you helped me, even if inadvertently, reconcile my thinking on
>> this topic, and I thank you for it.
>
>You're welcome.
>
My day too jess:))
>For those who would like to see some of the ways in which I've
>'assisted' the psychic-scam industry over the years, refer
>to:
>
Working in the psychic scam industry now, interesting. Got your own
home page and everything, how wonderful.
>http://zenpop.home.mindspring.com/links.html
>
>Read the page, it's pretty funny, and links to other slams against
>the telepsychic industry. The link to my stuff is at the bottom,
>under 'Newsgroup Mania'---and no, I didn't provide this material
>to this site, they seemed to think it was amusing. Most of
>it was written at a time when we were getting really buried by
>telepsychic spam. I always try to do my part in 'helping'
>the spammers to feel 'welcome' (to get the hell out of here).
>
>(jk)
You just hate having a free country... Well, read the Bill of Rights
sicko, and then, of course, you are always free to leave:))
tt
Tony Tiger
wrote:
>robin wrote:
>
>> Tony Tiger wrote:
>> >
>>
>> > >
>> > There are no matches, cause it aint there sister. I have a copy to
>> > evey place that I have ever post to, if you would like I can e-mail
>> > you and you can see for youself.
>>
>> It is there! I did a search and the post came up immediately.
>
>Of course, that's cause it's REALLY there, and TT is a liar
>when he says otherwise.
>
Not.
>So, if he'll think nothing of lying about that, AND given the
>nature of his 'profession', which is based on lying, what aspect
>of his character or his behavior (especially as these have been
>manifested on this newsgroup for WAY too long) suggests we
>should believe anything he says about anything?
>
>(jk)
Better look in the mirror, bucko.
tt
Tony Tiger
>J. Karlin wrote:
>
>>
>> I think Deja News might be having some kind of technical problem.
>> For example, this AM, when I checked on the message, initially
>> it reported 'no match' and then when I reloaded the screen,
>> it found the message. At any rate, you DID verify a match in
>> the author profile.
>
>I found it this morning. It is there. tt is a liar. Question is why lie
>about something so easy to prove? Is he that fucking stupid? Why not
>say..yea, I wrote it..big fucking deal
And how or what phrase did you use for your search, because it sure is
not on my file.
tt
J. Karlin
> On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:18:09 -0500, "J. Karlin" <r3wi...@texas.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Tony the Tick wrote:
> >
> >> How about you are just a lying bastard...
> >
> >Except I'm not lying.
> >
> >(jk)
> Well, it certain is not on my files but say what you wish, Karlin, it
> might even be a preddy good idea now that I have time to think on it.
Uh-oh, looks like he found it 'in his files'. Now suddenly it's
a 'good idea'.
Of course it's a good idea for you, just like it was when you
posted to alt.sex.prostitution in the first place. You're looking
for prostitutes. But it's not even fair to call you a pimp (it
gives pimps a bad name)---you're selling blowjobs without the
blow (suck or snow), you're just a tick. And that shall be
your name from now on.
Your 'real' name is Tony the Tick.
(jk)
J. Karlin
> On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:01:55 -0500, "J. Karlin" <r3wi...@texas.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Medusa8S8S wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for the tip, but I only had limited success. On an author profile it is
> >> indicated that a post was made to alt.sex.prostitution,
> >
> >Just checked it again this AM. It's still there and can still be
> >read.
> It is not you lying jerk.
How come I'm the lying jerk if other people are finding the same
file? Are they lying jerks too?
I don't think so.
As you now admit, you agree that posting to alt.sex.prostitution
was a 'good idea' for you. What else can you do, now that you've
been shown to be a liar. I guess you could start arguing about
what the meaning of 'is' is---but you're smoked---just like the
POS cigar you try to poke into all your victims.
> >I think Deja News might be having some kind of technical problem.
> >For example, this AM, when I checked on the message, initially
> >it reported 'no match' and then when I reloaded the screen,
> >it found the message. At any rate, you DID verify a match in
> >the author profile.
> >
> You know jk, I think it reveals more on you that I could ever say.
Yeah, it reveals I'm fucking lazy, cause I should have
done this a long time ago.
> >> Through the linking of Tarot/telephone sex/prostitution that I have seen
> >> lately, I am beginning to see just how exploitive psychic lines are,
> >
> >They're just a telemarketing scam. They always have been.
> >
> Whatever you say,
Not just what I say. It's what an increasing number of people
say, and know to be true from their own experience.
> Well, only in Ameica, huh jk?
You mean in 'America'? In America, telemarketing fraud is a
serious crime with serious penalties. If you stay in your
scams you're going to find out about that, sooner or later.
> You just hate having a free country...
'free country' does not mean 'free for criminals', jackass.
The First Amendment has nothing to do with protecting your
'right' to swindle marks.
(jk)
Tony Tiger
wrote:
>Tony the Tick wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:18:09 -0500, "J. Karlin" <r3wi...@texas.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Tony the Tick wrote:
>> >
>> >> How about you are just a lying bastard...
>> >
>> >Except I'm not lying.
>> >
>> >(jk)
>
>> Well, it certain is not on my files but say what you wish, Karlin, it
>> might even be a preddy good idea now that I have time to think on it.
>
>Uh-oh, looks like he found it 'in his files'. Now suddenly it's
>a 'good idea'.
>
Nope not yet, why do you take all that money you have been saving for
your trip to the garbage dump, and buy yourself a nice "Dick and Jane"
reader?
>Of course it's a good idea for you, just like it was when you
>posted to alt.sex.prostitution in the first place. You're looking
>for prostitutes. But it's not even fair to call you a pimp (it
>gives pimps a bad name)---you're selling blowjobs without the
>blow (suck or snow), you're just a tick. And that shall be
>your name from now on.
>
>Your 'real' name is Tony the Tick.
>
>(jk)
Well, it is obvious your nothing but a leech on society... I pay my
taxes to keep creeps like you up? Well, welcome to America:)
tt
Medusa8S8S
In article <362F42D3...@texas.net>, "J. Karlin" <r3wi...@texas.net>
writes:
>So, if he'll think nothing of lying about that, AND given the
>nature of his 'profession', which is based on lying, what aspect
>of his character or his behavior (especially as these have been
>manifested on this newsgroup for WAY too long) suggests we
>should believe anything he says about anything?
I see a shift occurring here from a focus on the appropriateness of advertising
for psychic line employees in a forum such as alt.sex.prostitution, to a
question of why Tony would lie and think he could get away with it.
I have serious problems with the idea of advertising for employees in such a
forum. Since psychic ability or experience is not implicit in the topic of the
newsgroup, what IS implicit about the average participant that the advertiser
is hoping to tap into? And what is that saying about the integrity of the
industry and its representatives?
I think the original issue is in danger of getting lost here. Since you had no
way of knowing that Tony was going to lie (although I doubt you were surprised
when he did), I do not think that the off-chance that he would is why you
brought this to the attention of the newsgroup.
Tony as an individual is not nearly so important a question as Tony as a
representative of his industry.
Celebrate!
KatyRose
Tony Tiger
wrote:
>Tony the Tick wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:01:55 -0500, "J. Karlin" <r3wi...@texas.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Medusa8S8S wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thanks for the tip, but I only had limited success. On an author profile it is
>> >> indicated that a post was made to alt.sex.prostitution,
>> >
>> >Just checked it again this AM. It's still there and can still be
>> >read.
>
>> It is not you lying jerk.
>
>How come I'm the lying jerk if other people are finding the same
>file? Are they lying jerks too?
>
>I don't think so.
>
I know both you and Robin to be real butt buddies.
>As you now admit, you agree that posting to alt.sex.prostitution
>was a 'good idea' for you. What else can you do, now that you've
>been shown to be a liar. I guess you could start arguing about
>what the meaning of 'is' is---but you're smoked---just like the
>POS cigar you try to poke into all your victims.
>
That is bull, but keep it up creep.
>> >I think Deja News might be having some kind of technical problem.
>> >For example, this AM, when I checked on the message, initially
>> >it reported 'no match' and then when I reloaded the screen,
>> >it found the message. At any rate, you DID verify a match in
>> >the author profile.
>> >
>> You know jk, I think it reveals more on you that I could ever say.
>
>Yeah, it reveals I'm fucking lazy, cause I should have
>done this a long time ago.
>
I have not anything that you have accomplished except try to change
the argument when you are just plain stupid.
>> >> Through the linking of Tarot/telephone sex/prostitution that I have seen
>> >> lately, I am beginning to see just how exploitive psychic lines are,
>> >
>> >They're just a telemarketing scam. They always have been.
>> >
>> Whatever you say,
>
>Not just what I say. It's what an increasing number of people
>say, and know to be true from their own experience.
>
>> Well, only in Ameica, huh jk?
>
>You mean in 'America'? In America, telemarketing fraud is a
>serious crime with serious penalties. If you stay in your
>scams you're going to find out about that, sooner or later.
>
Well, if I were running a scam I might be worried, but since I pay my
taxes and vote, we will alway be able to keep you Nazi jerk out of the
loop... The Big Lie, right jk. You think you can say some loud
enough, and long enough and people will beieve you... Well, I am here
to ring your bell jerk.
>> You just hate having a free country...
>
>'free country' does not mean 'free for criminals', jackass.
>
>The First Amendment has nothing to do with protecting your
>'right' to swindle marks.
>
>(jk)
You are the only con that I have seen in these parts lately... maybe
we might make a citizens arrest:))
tt
J. Karlin
> Tony as an individual is not nearly so important a question as Tony as a
> representative of his industry.
But it's more than this, commercial advertisers have often seen
any suggestion that they should curtail their activities here,
or even the idea that we have a right to question the claims
made in their ads, to be a violation of their 'freedom of speech'.
We have often had advertisers, who have been asked to stop
advertising here, try then to hang around in some capacity,
either to try and get rid of their critics (principally me,
of course), so as to free up the space for their continued
spamming, or, as is the case here, to obtain some kind of
stupid revenge against the group for wanting to take tarot,
and not commercial advertising, seriously.
In addition to this, however, is the question of what relevance
the telepsychic industry actually has to a newsgroup like
alt.tarot. I would argue that relevance is minimal and only
in a negative aspect. Tony's behavior here has often been
that of the apologist for his industry, and he certainly
has a right to be and to do that, but when he is confronted
by evidence that suggests his industry is rife with
misrepresentation and fraud, he just claims those complaints
come from people who were 'disgruntled ex-telepsychics',
or were in some other way not the 'cream of the crop' he claims
to be interested in employing. He was not motivated, in other
words, to engage in a constructive debate about this question,
or any other question.
This is made all the more tiresome when he has consistently
been challenged to show that his knowledge of this topic
is sufficient to suggest he would be able to identify
'reader cream' if he spotted it, and he has always refused
the challenge. On the few occasions he's offered an opinion
about tarot, it's always been based on ignorance of even the
most basic facts relevant to the topic, or even to the more
general idea of reading fortunes with cards.
He's been having a free (in other words, relatively painless)
ride here for too long.
It was time to do some serious weeding, and he's been the biggest
weed we've had to endure around here all year.
(jk)
Shannon
Tony Tiger wrote in message
<362f5ab1...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>...
>>How come I'm the lying jerk if other people are finding the
same
>>file? Are they lying jerks too?
>>
>>I don't think so.
>>
>I know both you and Robin to be real butt buddies.
Well, make it a menage-a-trois, because I saw that ad on
alt.sex.prostitution too. As well as the post you made to
alt.sex.telephone.ads.
Though I'm not sure why you're trying so hard to deny it. You
admitted being a scammer a long time ago when you were first
arguing with Etteila (remember the "for entertainment purposes
only" dodge you tried?)
We already know you're a con artist. We already know you have
nothing useful to say about Tarot. Why are you even bothering
with this useless and transparent lie, when ANYONE who knows how
to use Deja can verify the facts for themselves with a minimum of
effort? This pathetic exercise can't possibly be intended to
salvage your reputation. You don't have one.
>The Big Lie, right jk. You think you can say some loud
>enough, and long enough and people will beieve you... Well, I am
here
>to ring your bell jerk.
But it's so easily verifiable. Why are you bothering to lie?
Oh, I forgot, you're really damn stupid.
--Shannon
Medusa8S8S
In article <362F6195...@texas.net>, "J. Karlin" <r3wi...@texas.net>
writes:
>Medusa8S8S wrote:
>
>> Tony as an individual is not nearly so important a question as Tony as a
>> representative of his industry.
>
>But it's more than this, commercial advertisers have often seen
>any suggestion that they should curtail their activities here,
>or even the idea that we have a right to question the claims
>made in their ads, to be a violation of their 'freedom of speech'.
>
Over on the psychic line site to which you provided a link, there is
interesting commentary on your responses to recruiters, as the assumption is
made that alt.tarot is a gathering place for people anxious to have their
fortunes told, so why shouldn't it be the ideal place for such advertising?
"Poor" Maggie (as I recall the name being) is especially considered to be
unjustifiably victimized by you, since she simply hawks her individual wares,
rather than being of psychic line gendre.
<snip>
>This is made all the more tiresome when he has consistently
>been challenged to show that his knowledge of this topic
>is sufficient to suggest he would be able to identify
>'reader cream' if he spotted it, and he has always refused
>the challenge. On the few occasions he's offered an opinion
>about tarot, it's always been based on ignorance of even the
>most basic facts relevant to the topic, or even to the more
>general idea of reading fortunes with cards.
>
Ah, yes. On another thread Tony said that he "just knows" (mind-reader that he
is) that my readings are worthless, and that I am, in truth, as "shown" by my
body language (damn, the man is clairvoyant too!) just a lusty wench in need of
what he has to offer--which, as I recall, was described as "a fair-sized root"
that he was having anticipatory difficulty in restraining even as he spoke.
The ploy to change the topic by suggesting that I have a frustrated libido is
neither original nor laudable; neither is the suggestion that I am not to be
taken seriously, because, after all, just what is it that women are good for?
Lest anyone be tempted to dredge it up here, this is not to say that I do not
recall that you have, in the past, offered to turn a water hose on me; however,
that offer was not predicated on the avoidance of answering a question, or
reducing me to sexual objectification, so was found amusing rather than
offensive. There is a difference, of which I suspect Tony is ignorant.
There is an interesting correlation here between Tony's stated opinion of
women,
his psychic line management, and his posting of ads in such forums as
alt.sex.prostitution. In fact, if one were to examine the nature of his
responses to women here in general (I will forego specific examples or names),
one might be tempted to say the man suffers from a Madonna/Whore complex.
>He's been having a free (in other words, relatively painless)
>ride here for too long.
Obviously he is well-versed in the difference between anything for free and
that of paying, both up and dearly.
>It was time to do some serious weeding, and he's been the biggest
>weed we've had to endure around here all year.
>
Ah, the redemption of Kudzu.
Celebrate!
KatyRose
BaddM0J0
>Presumably Sue believes that "bad Karma" occurs when "all Tarot Reader"
>are "critical to one another"; the converse is that "good Karma" results
>if "all Tarot Reader" aren't "critical to one another".
>
>The upshot of this is, the statement would have merited the same response
>even with the monosyllable-of-choice stuck in front of it.
>
>--Gar
ahhhhhhhhhh!.............. Thanks much for the clarification. :-)
Peace,
*MoJo*
Medusa8S8S
In article <Pine.OSF.3.95.98102...@is7.nyu.edu>, "A.K."
<ak...@is7.nyu.edu> writes:
>Hm. What I wonder is, why do people who post to groups they may not wish
>to be associated with not use a header that simply prevents their messages
>from being archived.
>(for an example, look at the first line of my post)
>
Obviously, if they had something to hide and/or were aware of the option, more
people would do so. However, I suspect there are many, even so advised, who
either prefer that their words ring through the annals of time, or who will
stand in back of what they say, anytime, anywhere, or who simply don't consider
it worth the effort.
Celebrate!
KatyRose
J. Karlin
>
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, J. Karlin wrote:
>
> > Medusa8S8S wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the tip, but I only had limited success. On an author profile it is
> > > indicated that a post was made to alt.sex.prostitution,
> >
> > Just checked it again this AM. It's still there and can still be
> > read.
>
> to be associated with not use a header that simply prevents their messages
> from being archived.
> (for an example, look at the first line of my post)
Of course, that also suggests to people that maybe they'd
better go ahead and archive your posts.
(jk)
A.K.
> Tony Tiger wrote:
> >
>
> > >
> > There are no matches, cause it aint there sister. I have a copy to
> > evey place that I have ever post to, if you would like I can e-mail
> > you and you can see for youself.
>
> It is there! I did a search and the post came up immediately.
If you (TT) were halfway clever about it, and are stil using the same
e-mail adrress, you can go and remove past posts from deja news. Sheesh.
ak
A.K.
I am reminded of a quote (I remember not from where)
"One man's freedom to swing his arms ends where another man's nose begins"
ak
J. Karlin
Yeah, but if he's got his nose in your business (unless you're
Monica and Bill of course) then he's asking for it.
(jk)
robin
>
> On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:06:17 -0600, robin <ro...@swlink.net> wrote:
>
> >J. Karlin wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> For example, this AM, when I checked on the message, initially
> >> it reported 'no match' and then when I reloaded the screen,
> >> it found the message. At any rate, you DID verify a match in
> >> the author profile.
> >
> >about something so easy to prove? Is he that fucking stupid? Why not
> >say..yea, I wrote it..big fucking deal
>
> And how or what phrase did you use for your search, because it sure is
> not on my file.
> tt
hmmmmm how bout ... lyinginsince...@showmethemoney.you got
screwedsucker
robin
> >>
> >> >Medusa8S8S wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Thanks for the tip, but I only had limited success. On an author profile it is
> >> >> indicated that a post was made to alt.sex.prostitution,
> >> >
> >> >Just checked it again this AM. It's still there and can still be
> >> >read.
> >
> >
> >file? Are they lying jerks too?
> >
> >I don't think so.
> >
> I know both you and Robin to be real butt buddies.
butt buddies! what the hell is that! I thought for sure sure you'd be
gone by now, but I keep underestimating your mental capacities.
robin
Tony Tiger
>Tony Tiger wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> I know both you and Robin to be real butt buddies.
>
>robin wrote:
>butt buddies! what the hell is that! I thought for sure sure you'd be
>gone by now, but I keep underestimating your mental capacities.
I'm sure you do since you have none to call your own:))
tt
Tony Tiger
wrote:
>A.K. wrote:
>>
>> x-no-archive:yes
>>
>> On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, J. Karlin wrote:
>>
>> > Medusa8S8S wrote:
>> >
>> > > Thanks for the tip, but I only had limited success. On an author profile it is
>> > > indicated that a post was made to alt.sex.prostitution,
>> >
Not from me... If you recall jk is the one who claims to be the
author:
>> > Just checked it again this AM. It's still there and can still be
>> > read.
>>
>> Hm. What I wonder is, why do people who post to groups they may not wish
>> to be associated with not use a header that simply prevents their messages
>> from being archived.
>> (for an example, look at the first line of my post)
>
>Of course, that also suggests to people that maybe they'd
>better go ahead and archive your posts.
>
>(jk)
What you keep count now (on one hand or both:)... Maybe you should
just keep up with your own comments jk for, as Kat put it,... "annals
of time", you do seemed to have figured a way, which some may see as
anal retentive... or as I see it jess you just do a lot speaking out
your ass:))
tt
Paul Mitchum
wrote:
>Tony Tiger wrote:
>
>> There are no matches, cause it aint there sister.
>
>You're a liar. She found the reference to the post to
>alt.sex.prostitution in your author profile. How come that
>came up if there is no post?
Unfortunately, there's no way to look at the headers on deja news, that I
could find. A person could fake a post as Jess Karlin on
alt.12step.egomaniacs.anonymous and who, reading deja news, would be able
to figure out that it wasn't really you?
--
Trying to email me without removing 'SPAMFREE' from the address will result
in Bad Nasty Awful Things.
Paul Mitchum
wrote:
>> It is there! I did a search and the post came up immediately.
>
>Of course, that's cause it's REALLY there, and TT is a liar
>when he says otherwise.
>
>So, if he'll think nothing of lying about that, AND given the
>nature of his 'profession', which is based on lying, what aspect
>of his character or his behavior (especially as these have been
>manifested on this newsgroup for WAY too long) suggests we
>should believe anything he says about anything?
>
>(jk)
Wait, who are you trying to protect here? I think it's pretty obvious to
anyone who has had any exposure to our feline pal that tony is far from
grrrrreat.
We, as a newsgroup, thank you for your endless diligence. You can now go
home and get some sleep.
J. Karlin
> >> > > Thanks for the tip, but I only had limited success. On an author profile it is
> >> > > indicated that a post was made to alt.sex.prostitution,
> Not from me... If you recall jk is the one who claims to be the
> author:
No, I don't make any such claim, nor do I have to.
Here is very compelling evidence you wrote the post in question.
The message you wrote to alt.sex.prostitution is part of a spam you
posted on 10/19/97, which was sent out to twelve different groups.
The reason I know this is because ALL those postings are
threaded (connected), and you can confirm this by looking at
the 'thread' of the message on deja news. Even though each
individual post appears to be made to only one group, the
software which auto-posted the spam linked them in
some way, which linkage is traceable through deja news.
Some spam software can also 'stealth' the postings, stripping
relevant header information, and that's why you can't read
the full headers of TT's spams.
However, and this is the really great part, and something which
I didn't even realize till this AM when I did finally check
the thread---you had ONE reply to that series of spam messages,
one reply posted to the spam you sent to only one of the
newsgroups...alt.tarot.
Guess who wrote you the reply?
That's right. I did.
It's dated 10/23/97---and it has FULL headers:
--------------------
Subject: Re: Readers needed (864) 599-8935
Author: J. Karlin
Email: r3wi...@eden.com
Date: 1997/10/23
Forums: alt.tarot
Message-ID:<344F111E...@eden.com>
Organization: Eden Matrix Online Service
References:<344a33a3...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>
X-Complaints-To: ne...@eden.com
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-Trace: boris.eden.com 877614740 24010 (None) 206.81.247.152
astr...@bellsouth.net wrote:
> Readers and astrologers needed.
To be taken to the cleaners by another 'psycho'
racket.
(jk)
--------------------
Please note the 'reference' is to a post made (by astroguy) from
bellsouth.net, the same source of the other spams in the thread.
That proves I posted a reply to your message to this group
BACK in October of last year WHEN you originally posted
your spam. And the posting you made to alt.sex.prostitution
was part of those same spam messages, all made on the same day.
In short, this confirms that you are a rather bold, if inept,
liar. In order for your version of the story to be correct, I
would have had to generate a whole thread of faked messages,
AND posted a reply to one of them, a full 10 months before I
ever even heard of Tony Tiger.
Neat trick, but not very likely.
(jk)
J. Karlin
> In article <362F2F9A...@texas.net>, "J. Karlin" <r3wi...@texas.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Tony Tiger wrote:
> >
> >> There are no matches, cause it aint there sister.
> >
> >You're a liar. She found the reference to the post to
> >alt.sex.prostitution in your author profile. How come that
> >came up if there is no post?
>
> Unfortunately, there's no way to look at the headers on deja news,
That's not true.
There's no way to examine FULL headers on SOME messages because
spammers, especially, can strip out relevant portions of the
headers.
As you'll see (in the posting where I talk about this), the post
made by TT to alt.sex.prostitution is part of just such a
spam.
> that I
> could find. A person could fake a post as Jess Karlin on
> alt.12step.egomaniacs.anonymous
Or Paul Mitchum on alt.irrational.idiots---except you
write the FAQ for that group, right?
Faked postings CAN happen, but the question here is whether
TT's denials are even remotely credible. In other words, do
we, based on the behavior of TT on this and other newsgroups,
think he's likely to have any ethical problems preventing
his advertising on alt.sex.prostitution.
He has already confirmed that he thinks it would be a 'good
idea' for him to advertise on that newsgroup. Why should we then
imagine that a posting to that group from him would NEED to
be, or would likely be, faked.
Given the now clear evidence that his posting was part
of a spam he sent out to several groups on the same day, there
seems to be no point in discussing this matter any further.
(jk)
Tony Tiger
>Should I say it again
What you have forgotton what you said already? The defination of a
moron is that they keep making the same mistake over and over.
But go ahead if it makes you feel better:)
tt
Tony Tiger
wrote:
>Tony Tiger wrote:
>
>> >> > > Thanks for the tip, but I only had limited success. On an author profile it is
>> >> > > indicated that a post was made to alt.sex.prostitution,
>
>> Not from me... If you recall jk is the one who claims to be the
>> author:
>
>No, I don't make any such claim, nor do I have to.
>
>Here is very compelling evidence you wrote the post in question.
>
>The message you wrote to alt.sex.prostitution is part of a spam you
>posted on 10/19/97, which was sent out to twelve different groups.
>
Of course you are allowed to place ad to up to 15 usenet groups before
it is considered spam... but to continue with your Big Lie.
>The reason I know this is because ALL those postings are
>threaded (connected), and you can confirm this by looking at
>the 'thread' of the message on deja news. Even though each
>individual post appears to be made to only one group, the
>software which auto-posted the spam linked them in
>some way, which linkage is traceable through deja news.
>Some spam software can also 'stealth' the postings, stripping
>relevant header information, and that's why you can't read
>the full headers of TT's spams.
>
What is a stealth posting?... I have never engaged in anything of the
sort. All my posts are mine (from my account), except the ones which
comes from this stealth mailer you seem to know an awefully lot about.
(wonder that one ole boy... You are so diabolical, that you snare
yourself because the normal mind does not have the capacity to set up
all hours trying to figure how to screw someone... Only you. You are
just so transparent you think you have everyone fooled but the only
fool is yourself )
>However, and this is the really great part, and something which
>I didn't even realize till this AM when I did finally check
>the thread---you had ONE reply to that series of spam messages,
>one reply posted to the spam you sent to only one of the
>newsgroups...alt.tarot.
>
>Guess who wrote you the reply?
>
>That's right. I did.
>
>It's dated 10/23/97---and it has FULL headers:
>
Yea because you put it there... Strange how YOU were the only one, but
that does not surprise me, sorta to be expected from you.
It is clear that your ego knows no bounds... Kinda goes on forever,
don't it jk. Too big for the universal to contain. The only thing
that is greater than your ego is your powers of deceptions... Truly
amazing.
Now I have already told you that I do not have any problems with
hiring of anyone (as long as they are sincere and want to work), but I
would hope that those that I do help are not as sterile as you
obviously are... The good thing about that is, or it would appear,
that your cretin nature prevents you from procreation, so that the
world does not have to bother with any further pollution to the gene
pool:)
tt
Leihla
medus...@aol.com8S (Medusa8S8S) writes:
> Through the linking of Tarot/telephone sex/prostitution that
> I have seen lately, I am beginning to see just how exploitive
> psychic lines are, and why some people compare the
> managers to pimps.
----------------
Glad you're catching on. It's telling that your
intelligence wouldn't've pegged that garbage right off
the bat. Can you understand, now, why the average
'not-so-bright' get sucked in to these scams---easily?
> Unfortunately, there is a great yearning out there for what
> readers have to offer,
------------------
The human condition is One Big Yearn.....and it's not
for a great card reading.
Information is not what most people want, they whaaaant
some magic/k cure for all their ails---and anybody who
promotes themselves as One Who Can Answer, Heal,
Resolve or otherwise 'counsel', through tarot cards or
any other means of divination, is enabling-for-profit this
self-eating disease so common to humans---'desperatism'.
> with no effective way for the average reader to respond,
------------------
Have you ever noticed, when something's good it stands
on it's own? Artists, writers, musicians and other people
who develop a craft will either opt to sell their work, or not.
That decision has little to do with talent; I'm sure there
are any number of master-poems that will remain forever
buried in some author's private diary.
Point is, if any artist wants to market hir work, hir simply
shows what hir's got. Period. No 'mystery' involved; and if
the market opens itself up to the work for a fair price?
There's your match---and it's valid. ~No scamming necessary.~
> which, of course, is what creates the market
>for these phone lines.
---------------
No, any 'market' based on stupidity, weakness and
vulnerability will always be exploited and always has
been. Hey, there's a 'market' for drugs, there's a 'market'
for prostitution, there's a 'market' for beenie babies.
Difference is, pimps and drug dealers actually deliver
their product. Even phone sex lines deliver what they
claim. Telepsychics claim to deliver---'answers', 'healings',
'luck', 'problem resolution', 'wealth', 'the grace of God' and
even 'miracles'---while they actually deliver...phone sex.
Yup, it's all just mental mastrubation sans the orgasm
(maybe), but still expensively addictive for the unsuspecting,
and otherwise worthless. Also, has zero to do with tarot.
My best,
L
-------Emailed responses may be posted--------
Leihla
medus...@aol.com8S (Medusa8S8S) writes:
>
> I see a shift occurring here from a focus on the appropriateness
> of advertising for psychic line employees in a forum such as
> alt.sex.prostitution, to a question of why Tony would lie and
> think he could get away with it.
Naah. No shift, just some earlier lies catching up
to the lastest ones.
> I have serious problems with the idea of advertising for
> employees in such a forum.
------------------
Why? Targeting 'alt.sex.prostitution' was the honest part.
> Since psychic ability or experience is not implicit in the
> topic of the newsgroup, what IS implicit about the average
> participant that the advertiser is hoping to tap into?
------------------
Uhmm...those willing to claim 'psychic ability or experience'
for money? Pretty straight role-playing Katy; he just
targeted the experts.
> And what is that saying about the integrity of the
> industry and its representatives?
-------------------
Same as has always been said, just a little clearer.
What do you think 'the industry' IS?
>
>I think the original issue is in danger of getting lost here.
---------------
No, if it's lost on anyone they are in 'danger' all by themselves.
>
> Since you had no way of knowing that Tony was going to lie
---------------
No way of knowing? Lying is all hir's done here,
and apparently throughout the internet.
>
> (although I doubt you were surprised when he did),
-----------------
Katy, to say that a telemarketing scam artist lied
is redundant.
>
> I do not think that the off-chance that he would is why you
> brought this to the attention of the newsgroup.
-------------------
No 'off-chance' ever existed. Jess just slipped
this time; he usually nails these creeps early.
>
> Tony as an individual is not nearly so important a question
> as Tony as a representative of his industry.
-----------------
A pimp should properly represent hir industry
by not advertising in alt.sex.prostitution?
Cross-'dressing' lives in many mansions, Kate. <g>
Leihla
astr...@bellsouth.net (Tony Tiger) writes:
> Of course you are allowed to place ad to up to 15 usenet
> groups before it is considered spam...
-------------
No, a _discussion_ is allowed crossposting to other
newsgroups if the _discussion_ is topical.
Marketing to non-marketing groups is spam, period.
It's only tolerated to the extent that it's not repeated
regularly.
> but to continue with your Big Lie.
---------------
...you couldn't even recognize the irony.
Tony Tiger
>
>astr...@bellsouth.net (Tony Tiger) writes:
>
>> Of course you are allowed to place ad to up to 15 usenet
>> groups before it is considered spam...
>-------------
>No, a _discussion_ is allowed crossposting to other
>newsgroups if the _discussion_ is topical.
>
No that is YOUR take on it... Because any post of discussion maybe
considered a TOPIC of discussion... Or have you not noticed that,
penhead?
>Marketing to non-marketing groups is spam, period.
>It's only tolerated to the extent that it's not repeated
>regularly.
>
If that was the case half of people posting off topic "alt.tarot"
would be considered spam... Which is what you doing at this time,
spammer.
What I do is to give people a Free opportunity to make money reading
tarot, which my dear, is much more topical than anything I have seen
in your post..
>
>> but to continue with your Big Lie.
>---------------
>...you couldn't even recognize the irony.
>
>L
>
It's for sure you don't:))
tt
Tony Tiger
wrote:
>Medusa8S8S wrote:
>
>> Tony as an individual is not nearly so important a question as Tony as a
>> representative of his industry.
>
>But it's more than this, commercial advertisers have often seen
>any suggestion that they should curtail their activities here,
>or even the idea that we have a right to question the claims
>made in their ads, to be a violation of their 'freedom of speech'.
>
Question away... My people ar always paid. and as you may have
noticed I have not made any attempt to place any ads to this group not
because I might insult the likes of yourself, but rather I have a very
good group and have no need for any alt.tarot...@dweebs.cum,
such as yourself:)
>We have often had advertisers, who have been asked to stop
>advertising here, try then to hang around in some capacity,
>either to try and get rid of their critics (principally me,
>of course), so as to free up the space for their continued
>spamming, or, as is the case here, to obtain some kind of
>stupid revenge against the group for wanting to take tarot,
>and not commercial advertising, seriously.
>
The only stupid revenge I can think of is getting rid of the tyrant
such as yourself, which would be a great boom to the topic of
discussion... Instead of wasting time, and usless off topic posting
and posturing you go through eveytime you are nailed by your very
narrow view of astrology and tarot (btw you might be interested in
knowing that R.Hand also shares my view on the antiquity of rulership,
which would seem if it is beyond your ego, it is beyond your limited
understand of both astrology and tarot).
>In addition to this, however, is the question of what relevance
>the telepsychic industry actually has to a newsgroup like
>alt.tarot. I would argue that relevance is minimal and only
>in a negative aspect. Tony's behavior here has often been
>that of the apologist for his industry, and he certainly
>has a right to be and to do that, but when he is confronted
>by evidence that suggests his industry is rife with
>misrepresentation and fraud, he just claims those complaints
>come from people who were 'disgruntled ex-telepsychics',
>or were in some other way not the 'cream of the crop' he claims
>to be interested in employing. He was not motivated, in other
>words, to engage in a constructive debate about this question,
>or any other question.
>
Well, I would rather find myself an "apologist" for free enterprise
and the working reader of this country, than that of a Crowley fascist
reconstructionist.
>This is made all the more tiresome when he has consistently
>been challenged to show that his knowledge of this topic
>is sufficient to suggest he would be able to identify
>'reader cream' if he spotted it, and he has always refused
>the challenge. On the few occasions he's offered an opinion
>about tarot, it's always been based on ignorance of even the
>most basic facts relevant to the topic, or even to the more
>general idea of reading fortunes with cards.
>
Like the antiquity of rulership and astrological association to the
tarot, perhaps... You sure missed it by about a 1000 years.. but of
course that does not fit in your neatly narrow faq.
.
>He's been having a free (in other words, relatively painless)
>ride here for too long.
>
>It was time to do some serious weeding, and he's been the biggest
>weed we've had to endure around here all year.
>
>(jk)
Well, you do seem to share KayRose's concern over the size of my
root... but as with all wannabee's this comes as no suprise because
you always want what you don't have. Is this not true you little
dickless dictator you:))
tt
Tony Tiger
>
>In article <362F6195...@texas.net>, "J. Karlin" <r3wi...@texas.net>
>writes:
>
>>Medusa8S8S wrote:
>>
>>> Tony as an individual is not nearly so important a question as Tony as a
>>> representative of his industry.
>>
Could do worse... Crowley Karlin, Yikes!
>>But it's more than this, commercial advertisers have often seen
>>any suggestion that they should curtail their activities here,
>>or even the idea that we have a right to question the claims
>>made in their ads, to be a violation of their 'freedom of speech'.
>>
Like you are interested as long as it is the freedom for Crowley
Karlin to speak and everyone else free to listen.
>Over on the psychic line site to which you provided a link, there is
>interesting commentary on your responses to recruiters, as the assumption is
>made that alt.tarot is a gathering place for people anxious to have their
>fortunes told, so why shouldn't it be the ideal place for such advertising?
>"Poor" Maggie (as I recall the name being) is especially considered to be
>unjustifiably victimized by you, since she simply hawks her individual wares,
>rather than being of psychic line gendre.
>
><snip>
>
>>This is made all the more tiresome when he has consistently
>>been challenged to show that his knowledge of this topic
>>is sufficient to suggest he would be able to identify
>>'reader cream' if he spotted it, and he has always refused
>>the challenge. On the few occasions he's offered an opinion
>>about tarot, it's always been based on ignorance of even the
>>most basic facts relevant to the topic, or even to the more
>>general idea of reading fortunes with cards.
>>
This whole thing got started when you got the antiquity all screwed
backwards... And still have not made the admission that you were
wrong. Why is it so impossible to admit you made a mistake and get on
with things... But nooooooo, you got to go grabbing crap out of your
little bag of tricks, like someone gives a rats' ass.
>Ah, yes. On another thread Tony said that he "just knows" (mind-reader that he
>is) that my readings are worthless, and that I am, in truth, as "shown" by my
>body language (damn, the man is clairvoyant too!) just a lusty wench in need of
>what he has to offer--which, as I recall, was described as "a fair-sized root"
>that he was having anticipatory difficulty in restraining even as he spoke.
>
Well, you nailed me on that one Kat;)
>The ploy to change the topic by suggesting that I have a frustrated libido is
>neither original nor laudable; neither is the suggestion that I am not to be
>taken seriously, because, after all, just what is it that women are good for?
>
I never mentioned you, at least not by name, but if the shoe fits
sweetie:))
>Lest anyone be tempted to dredge it up here, this is not to say that I do not
>recall that you have, in the past, offered to turn a water hose on me; however,
>that offer was not predicated on the avoidance of answering a question, or
>reducing me to sexual objectification, so was found amusing rather than
>offensive. There is a difference, of which I suspect Tony is ignorant.
>
Water hose, my, my you are a lusty winch:))
>There is an interesting correlation here between Tony's stated opinion of
>women,
>his psychic line management, and his posting of ads in such forums as
>alt.sex.prostitution. In fact, if one were to examine the nature of his
>responses to women here in general (I will forego specific examples or names),
>one might be tempted to say the man suffers from a Madonna/Whore complex.
>
What opin on women did I state, except that they do have my utmost
respect and admiration... If you are accusing me of a lover of
women... I stand convicted.
>>He's been having a free (in other words, relatively painless)
>>ride here for too long.
>
>Obviously he is well-versed in the difference between anything for free and
>that of paying, both up and dearly.
>
This is only too true.
>>It was time to do some serious weeding, and he's been the biggest
>>weed we've had to endure around here all year.
>>
I believe I do detect a bit of root envy here:))
>Ah, the redemption of Kudzu.
>
Now hter is a plant that has a root that goes all the way to china:)
>
>Celebrate!
>KatyRose
>
>
Okay, lets party!
tt
>
>
>
A.K.
> A.K. wrote:
>
> Of course, that also suggests to people that maybe they'd
> better go ahead and archive your posts.
Heh. True. I don't really care though if private individuals archive my
posts. Even if it is for the purpose of being able to later call me on
someting I said. Or whatever all. What is more disturbing is a public
archive that anyone can access.
When I first started posting to the usenet, I was not aware of the
existance of DejaNews and so foolishly posted some very personal things
that, really, I'd rather not have people be able to read anymore. Or that
I would prefer certain people not read (like say, my parents, or
whatever). I don't mind posting personal things and having them read by
whoever is reading the newgroup at the time, it's just that I don't like
that people in the far future being able to do "research" on me. I guess
it's a common computer-age paranoia.
Another advantage of x-no-archive:yes is spam prevention.. True, a spam
trap would be much better but my university-provided email does not allow
me that option, so at least the spambots can't harvest my adress from D.N.
And I don't use the header on this newsgroup very often (anymore. I did
useit a lot about a month/couple weeks ago) because I don't post personal
stuff here, *and* when I ask a question I want as many people as possible
to be able to anwer it.
Well, that's my confession. And on a side thought, I don't think most of
my posts are actually intersting enough for a private individual to
archive them for personal use. But whatever makes you happy jk :)
Agnieszka
A.K.
> In article <362F2F9A...@texas.net>, "J. Karlin" <r3wi...@texas.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Tony Tiger wrote:
> >
> >> There are no matches, cause it aint there sister.
> >
> >You're a liar. She found the reference to the post to
> >alt.sex.prostitution in your author profile. How come that
> >came up if there is no post?
>
> Unfortunately, there's no way to look at the headers on deja news, that I
> could find. A person could fake a post as Jess Karlin on
> alt.12step.egomaniacs.anonymous and who, reading deja news, would be able
> to figure out that it wasn't really you?
Wrong. When you view a message, one of the options right underneath the
compressed header is "More Headers".
Agnieszka
Medusa8S8S
In article <3630b6f6...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>, astr...@bellsouth.net
(Tony Tiger) writes:
>Now I have already told you that I do not have any problems with
>hiring of anyone (as long as they are sincere and want to work)
What happened to "cream of the crop" only need apply?
Celebrate!
KatyRose
Tony Tiger
The sincere and hard working, are not just the cream of the crop, but
the salt of the earth... no matter what hand they may have been dealt
by life.
tt
Medusa8S8S
In article <3630ef64...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>, astr...@bellsouth.net
(Tony Tiger) writes:
>Well, you do seem to share KayRose's concern over the size of my
>root...
I just assume it is where your brain is housed, so must be very small and quite
ineffectual.
Celebrate!
KatyRose
Tony Tiger
My mind exist within the crown of the universal.... the flesh, rooted
as it is in a much smaller earthly confinement, is adquate and offers
far more entertainment than size portends... rather like jk's ego:)
tt
MLYoung
>>
>"Karma" doesn't really mean what you think it means.
>
>--Gar
I was hoping someone would point
that out. Westerners tend to slap
Western concepts of morality on it.
--margaret
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MLYoung
>might want to, as he put it, 'read the book', which is something
>you clearly have not done, at least not to any obvious impact
>on your ability to write knowledgeably about---well, anything.
Wasn't Patton near the top of his class
at West Point? He knew his military
history like most good generals.
--margaret
>
>> it either kills us or makes us stronger.
>
>Or bores us with your peabrained versions of military history
>cum caveman philosophy.
>
>(jk)
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MLYoung
>posts. Even if it is for the purpose of being able to later call me on
>someting I said. Or whatever all. What is more disturbing is a public
>archive that anyone can access.
>
Deja, by the way, is not the only
place you can end up archived.
Anything you post here is public.
If there's something you don't want
someone to know don't ever post it.
--margaret
Tony Tiger
>>> Please stop being so critical of each other. Don't you believe in Karma.
>>>
>>"Karma" doesn't really mean what you think it means.
>>
>>--Gar
>
>I was hoping someone would point
>that out. Westerners tend to slap
>Western concepts of morality on it.
>
>--margaret
>>
>>
Karma does carry over into many areas of convergence in the Vedic
hindu but also the chi of Taoism, or so it would seem.
Do continue as of personal interest, I was invited to recieve the
ceremonial Tao, from monks that have made the trip from china to the
most the beautiful Blue Ridge mountains (in their full fire) of
Asheville, NC. This, from what I have gathered, is a very special
honor... But being "slapped with the morality" of Western concepts as
you so aptly put... respectfully declined, pending further studies.
I am not so fancinated with the working of Confucianism approach as I
am in awe of some of the thoughts of Lao-tse, which appear as almost
Jungrian in concept... except these concepts evolved and pre date Jung
by 3000 years.
Rather amazing too are the Hexgrams of the I Ching... I was gifted
with Yarrow wands on my 7th birthday, took them to 2nd grade show and
tell,,, Immeadiately branded a heretic (as mother hid their tender
daughter) this trick I learn to keep at home, under the bed, where
they whispered in my ear, in a very distant but distinctive and unique
manner I felt they spoke to me.
tt
Leihla
astr...@bellsouth.net (Tony Tiger) writes:
> No that is YOUR take on it... Because any post of discussion
> maybe considered a TOPIC of discussion... Or have you not
> noticed that, penhead?
-----------------
Advertising isn't discussion. Ask your
friends over in alt.sex.prostitution.
> If that was the case half of people posting off topic
> "alt.tarot" would be considered spam... Which is what
> you doing at this time, spammer.
----------------
You not only can't write, you can't read.
Look up 'advertising'...if you can spell it.
>What I do is to give people a Free opportunity to
----------------
...to wank you off?
We all know.
L
Leihla
astr...@bellsouth.net (Tony Tiger) writes:
>Question away... My people ar always paid.
--------------
With money you bilk from 'suffering' people
through your glorious 'life line', right?
> and as you may have noticed I have not made
> any attempt to place any ads to this group
--------------
And how would we notice, 'Tiger'. You're not exactly
straightforward about all your pseudonyms.
> not because I might insult the likes of yourself,
> but rather I have a very good group and have no
> need for any alt.tarot...@dweebs.cum,
> such as yourself:)
---------------
pHA! Yeah, no need to weed those responses from
alt.sex.prostitution, eh? I'm sure they're all great card
readers, 'tiger'. About as good as you are.
Rhianna
>I believe I do detect a bit of root envy here:))
All this discusion of root envy *smile* got me thinking about the Ace
of Wands.
Look at the decks you have and compare the way they portray the Ace of
Wands...the Ace of Wands is considered to be the "Root" of the
potency of fire...would you say the aces are similiar or would a
particular Ace of Wands be an object of root envy? *Smile*
~Cheers~
Rhianna
http://www.pipeline.com/~rhianna/index.htm
Zodiac, Tarot cards, groovy fortunetelling, stars, mystical fun stuff.
BaddM0J0
>All this discusion of root envy *smile* got me thinking about the Ace
>of Wands.
>
> Look at the decks you have and compare the way they portray the Ace of
>Wands...the Ace of Wands is considered to be the "Root" of the
>potency of fire...would you say the aces are similiar or would a
>particular Ace of Wands be an object of root envy? *Smile*
>~Cheers~
>Rhianna
Oh quit Rhianna!
You're making me blush! :::::titter titter:::
<grin>
cran_...@my-dejanews.com
"Sue" <r...@qureshi86.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Please stop being so critical of each other. Don't you believe in Karma.
>
>
Shhhhhh, be careful what heresy you speak without your papers properly
produced. Man, these FAQ answers are about as insightful as A.C. Crispin on
wheat germ. Who puked in the pen that scrawled them anyway?
I need some cookies.
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BaddM0J0
>Shhhhhh, be careful what heresy you speak without your papers properly
>produced. Man, these FAQ answers are about as insightful as A.C. Crispin on
>wheat germ. Who puked in the pen that scrawled them anyway?
>
>I need some cookies.
>
aradia
Okay, I have to admit it --- in all the newsgroups I've read, I've never
seen "OBES" anywhere. So, somebody flag down the clue bus for me and tell me
what an OBES is.
Thanks! :)
aradia
(OBB)