rider waite imagery
Keith
rider tarot, at first l thought it was contrived but l have found some
amazing things connecting it up to very ancient esoteric knowledge, the
imagery that is.......does anyone have any knowledge of it, apart from the
usual golden dawn connection? thanking you in advance Keith btw you can
email me if you prefer sp...@iinet.net .au
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Rhianna
wrote:
Have you tried Greek Mythology and Medieval/Renaissance
history? That would be a start, apart from the Golden Dawn
connection. Biblical allusions exist as well. You might wish to
look at an art history book such as History of Art by H.W. Janson to
scan the type of art produced during the period that tarot first
emerged. You might also wish to join the LTarot Yahoo! Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LTarot/
Karipidu
>history? That would be a start, apart from the Golden Dawn
>connection. Biblical allusions exist as well. You might wish to
>look at an art history book such as History of Art by H.W. Janson to
>scan the type of art produced during the period that tarot first
>emerged. You might also wish to join the LTarot Yahoo! Group:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LTarot/
Rhianna, who is autorbis(de)?
Marianna
Rhianna
I don't know him very well.
He has a Yahoo! Profile that doesn't say much at
http://profiles.yahoo.com/autorbis
Seems as if he is someone who takes a genuine interest in playing card
history and tarot history.
~Cheers~
Rhianna
http://www.rhianna.uni.cc/
http://www.pipeline.com/~rhianna
dhducati
which also discusses it while the journey thru the deck.
--
multitasking -- distracted by distractions from distractions
t.s.eliot
"Rhianna" <rhi...@pipeline.com> wrote in message
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jk
> hi group, listen l'm really keen to know where the imagery
> came from in the rider tarot---
It is better to call it the Waite Tarot, although some people will
want you to call it the Waite-Smith Tarot, or the Rider-Waite-Smith
Tarot or the Rider-Waite-Smith-Jones-Bush Tarot.
But Waite Tarot is more pertinent to what you're asking since
Waite is the person who designed the deck, Pam Smith being
the artist who created it.
The imagery, versus the symbolism, is an interesting question.
Pam Smith certainly incorporated a number of personal ideas
into the creation of the images, but Waite's ideas about Golden
Dawn and esoteric symbolism are what you are seeing on the
cards. Because Waite is difficult for most modern readers to
understand, the Tarot industry has attempted to brush him
aside and talk about the "eruptive" powers of the images
to inspire all kinds of (usually dead wrong) guesses---often
glorified by calling these "intuition".
> , at first l thought it was contrived---
Of course it's contrived. What did you think, that elves
made it?
> but l have found some amazing things connecting it up to
> very ancient esoteric knowledge---
If you want to play the "connecting it up" game you can do
that all on your own. You may or may not hit something true
and pertinent on the way. But if you want to learn the deck,
that is what it is about, you should read and attempt to
understand Waite's writings about the deck, and other
things.
Have you read "Pictorial Key to the Tarot"?
If not, you should.
And, you might get something out of considering this:
http://jktarot.com/chariotser.html
(jk)
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jk
> Have you tried Greek Mythology and Medieval/Renaissance
> history? That would be a start, apart from the Golden Dawn
> connection. Biblical allusions exist as well.
How are those things "apart" from the Golden Dawn connection?
What is the Golden Dawn connection?
Hieronymous707
>Date: 11/9/2004 6:05 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <1099998326.4...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
>It is better to call it the Waite Tarot,
Interesting word choice, "better".
>although some people will
>want you to call it the Waite-Smith Tarot, or the Rider-Waite-Smith
>Tarot or the Rider-Waite-Smith-Jones-Bush Tarot.
In this particular instance, "some people" appears to be little more than a
little straw man.
>But Waite Tarot is more pertinent to what you're asking since
>Waite is the person who designed the deck, Pam Smith being
>the artist who created it.
If "more pertinent" is supposed to be "better" (presumably better than less
pertinent), then who (besides you, of course) gets to decide what is more or
less pertinent to a discussion if you're referencing the same set of images
with different names?
>The imagery, versus the symbolism, is an interesting question.
Do you think imagery that is more pertinent makes symbolism better, or vice
versa?
>Pam Smith certainly incorporated a number of personal ideas
>into the creation of the images, but Waite's ideas about Golden
>Dawn and esoteric symbolism are what you are seeing on the
>cards.
Waite's ideas are certainly represented on the cards, but they aren't
necessarily what anybody sees, much less recognizes. I thought you knew that.
>Because Waite is difficult for most modern readers to
>understand, the Tarot industry has attempted to brush him
>aside and talk about the "eruptive" powers of the images
>to inspire all kinds of (usually dead wrong) guesses---often
>glorified by calling these "intuition".
That's a very good example of impertinence. Can you do better?
-hi-
Al Smith
>
>
> Interesting word choice, "better".
>
>
>>>although some people will
>>>want you to call it the Waite-Smith Tarot, or the Rider-Waite-Smith
>>>Tarot or the Rider-Waite-Smith-Jones-Bush Tarot.
>
>
> In this particular instance, "some people" appears to be little more than a
> little straw man.
>
>
>>>But Waite Tarot is more pertinent to what you're asking since
>>>Waite is the person who designed the deck, Pam Smith being
>>>the artist who created it.
>
>
> If "more pertinent" is supposed to be "better" (presumably better than less
> pertinent), then who (besides you, of course) gets to decide what is more or
> less pertinent to a discussion if you're referencing the same set of images
> with different names?
>
>
>>>The imagery, versus the symbolism, is an interesting question.
>
>
> Do you think imagery that is more pertinent makes symbolism better, or vice
> versa?
>
LOL! This post is great! I really did laugh out loud. Nice job
applying Karlin's own techniques of criticism to one of his posts.
It illustrates how meaningless they are. Very nicely done.
Karipidu
>It is better to call it the Waite Tarot, although some people will
>want you to call it the Waite-Smith Tarot, or the Rider-Waite-Smith
>Tarot or the Rider-Waite-Smith-Jones-Bush Tarot.
Oh, yeah, I prefer the Rider-Waite-Smith-Jones-Bush Tarot.
Marianna
jk
> >From: "jk" taro...@jktarot.com
> >Date: 11/9/2004 6:05 AM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <1099998326.4...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
> >It is better to call it the Waite Tarot,
> Interesting word choice, "better".
It isn't that interesting, just a knowledgeable preference.
You know, like when I decided it was better to inform people
that you were a liar and a thief. It was a better thing to make
sure they knew the facts about you, than not to tell them.
> >although some people will
> >want you to call it the Waite-Smith Tarot, or the Rider-Waite-Smith
> >Tarot or the Rider-Waite-Smith-Jones-Bush Tarot.
> In this particular instance, "some people" appears to be little more
> than a little straw man.
How so?
> >But Waite Tarot is more pertinent to what you're asking since
> >Waite is the person who designed the deck, Pam Smith being
> >the artist who created it.
> If "more pertinent" is supposed to be "better" (presumably better
> than less pertinent), then who (besides you, of course) gets to
> decide what is more or less pertinent to a discussion if you're
> referencing the same set of images with different names?
Some names are better, more pertinent.
For example, "honest" would be an impertinent way of describing
Jack Corey Connor, since it is not accurate or reflective of his
nature and behavior.
A better name for him would be "liar", or "pathological liar".
The notable, if not particularly interesting, thing about that
label is that not only is it one with which Jack Corey Connor is
familiar and comfortable, it is one to which he answers and
performs like a one-trick pony.
> >The imagery, versus the symbolism, is an interesting question.
> Do you think imagery that is more pertinent makes symbolism
> better, or vice versa?
Do you think lies which are less pertinent make dishonesty better,
or vice versa?
> >Pam Smith certainly incorporated a number of personal ideas
> >into the creation of the images, but Waite's ideas about Golden
> >Dawn and esoteric symbolism are what you are seeing on the
> >cards.
> Waite's ideas are certainly represented on the cards,
Really? Have you seen them?
You don't care anything about Waite, his ideas, or Tarot.
You care about the fact that back in 1998 you were squashed like
a little bug on a Usenet newsgroup called alt.tarot.
And you still haven't gotten over it.
Why did that particular squashing bother you more than all the
other humiliations you've suffered in your pointless little life?
> but they aren't necessarily what anybody sees, much less
> recognizes.
What is the distinction you are making here between "see"
and "recognize"?
There is a point, and it is not a very deep one, where your
attempts at mimicry do suffer considerably from your natural
insufficiencies.
>I thought you knew that.
You thought to play another round.
But you just don't bring anything to the table.
Even as a troll, you are not that interesting.
Min is far more earnest and committed, in many respects
Joey is a finer breed of liar than you, and for sheer obstructive
nincompoopery, Little Demon is the death knell of ANY
topical discussion.
You're obsolete.
> >Because Waite is difficult for most modern readers to
> >understand, the Tarot industry has attempted to brush him
> >aside and talk about the "eruptive" powers of the images
> >to inspire all kinds of (usually dead wrong) guesses---often
> >glorified by calling these "intuition".
>
> That's a very good example of impertinence.
Not even on your part.
> Can you do better?
I'm not the one who needs to.
Congratulations on your moral compass winning re-election.
Dishonesty rules, huh?
jk
> LOL! This post is great! I really did laugh out loud.
Yeah, but you're a moron.
(jk)
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Al Smith
>
>
> Yeah, but you're a moron.
>
> (jk)
LOL! You can do better than that. You should have asked me what I
meant by the use of the word "great."
jk
> >>LOL! This post is great! I really did laugh out loud.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, but you're a moron.
> >
> > (jk)
> LOL! You can do better than that.
Better than the truth?
Why bother?
It's not like you rate an ornament.
(jk)
Karipidu
>> >>LOL! This post is great! I really did laugh out loud.
>>>From: "jk" taro...@jktarot.com
>>> Yeah, but you're a moron.
>>Al Smith wrote:
>> LOL! You can do better than that.
>From: "jk" taro...@jktarot.com
>Better than the truth?
>Why bother?
>It's not like you rate an ornament.
Oh, men! I thought I finished the story!
Marianna
Joseph Littleshoes
> >>LOL! This post is great! I really did laugh out loud.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, but you're a moron.
> >
> > (jk)
>
> LOL! You can do better than that.
Or worse depending on your p.o.v. You have not been accused of moral
culpability, yet. Merely of being "a moderately feeble minded person.
" who "can be happy with tasks too simple and monotonous to satisfy an
intelligent person."
> You should have asked me what I
> meant by the use of the word "great."
Corey at least attempts wittiness, however, i have noticed a "bitchy" -
ness that seems to emerge periodically with Corey but other than that
and his regrettable tendency to be a bit too "da - da - esque." for my
interest, he seems harmless, and less likely now than ever before to
attempt to pass off someone else's writings as his own, at least here,
in alt.tarot.
And that issue, being the central pin by which the feud has hung, has
been defended by Corey, adequately, as far as i am concerned, if there
were a lesson to it, it was Coreys and only peripherally the professors
and at lest 1 other person who, delineating the situation, administering
the coup de grace now keeps beating the corpse in such a way as to imply
an obsession with Corey beyond that of the average net addict.
But hey Al! Does this yet remind you of any number of other news groups
and the particular bette noirs that routinely battle each other for
years? keep going in the same circles, repeating the same arguments and
insults over and over again and in such a way that it begins to make
you question the whole process?
Fortunately there are a few moderated forums where civil discourse can
take place. And even if nothing new is forthcoming, there is a joy in
writing about those things one likes.
Even the unmoderated forums become more interesting when one deploys
one's mail filters in such a way as to edit out any of the more obvious
"kooks" some of whom are very knowledgeable and well read and with a
real talent for "cut and paste" type postings (most of whom have
multiple web sites and like to advertise their personal prejuidices as
"news"), but even then, these groups being what they are, if one of
these "kooks" makes a significant contribution, word gets around.
--
JL
jk
> Oh, men! I thought I finished the story!
Here, let me finish it for you.
Some stupid Greek cunt named Satan's Little Crack-ho' Assfuck
(AKA Little Demon), stuck a crucifix in her anus and licked
it off while fucking a toy poodle and it was the best sex
she ever had.
And ever since then she won't shut up talking about it.
Not a support group. And Satan wants your hole back down
in Hell. He needs to sharpen some pencils.
jk
> > LOL! You can do better than that.
> Or worse depending on your p.o.v. You have not been accused
> of moral culpability, yet.
Yeah, he has been.
Pay attention, peabrain.
> Merely of being "a moderately feeble minded person.
> " who "can be happy with tasks too simple and monotonous
> to satisfy an intelligent person."
I'm sure he appreciates your spelling it out for him.
> > You should have asked me what I
> > meant by the use of the word "great."
> Corey at least attempts wittiness,
He's a dishonest moron, just like you.
> ...he seems harmless, and less likely now than ever before
> to attempt to pass off someone else's writings as his own,
> at least here, in alt.tarot.
> And that issue, being the central pin by which the feud has
> hung, has been defended by Corey, adequately, as far as i am
> concerned, if there were a lesson to it, it was Coreys and only
> peripherally the professors---
OF COURSE you're OK with it, you've done exactly the same thing
here, altering texts of people like Crowley to make them say
things you needed them to say, but which they didn't say.
> and at lest 1 other person who, delineating the situation,
administering
> the coup de grace now keeps beating the corpse in such a way as to
imply
> an obsession with Corey beyond that of the average net addict.
What exactly are you talking about?
Don't you suffer from the same obsession as Corey?
> But hey Al! Does this yet remind you of any number of other news
groups
> and the particular bette noirs that routinely battle each other for
> years?
You might want to check you bette, Joey, because you've been
damned noir for four years now.
> Fortunately there are a few moderated forums where civil discourse
can
> take place.
And plenty of censorship of topical discussion.
> And even if nothing new is forthcoming, there is a joy in
> writing about those things one likes.
What you like is dishonesty, because it makes you feel good
to blindly slap at the thing that is killing you.
Golden Gate, it's your fate.
> if one of these "kooks" makes a significant contribution, word gets
around.
What significant contribution to Tarot have you made, kooky?
(jk)
Karipidu
>Some stupid Greek cunt named Satan's Little Crack-ho' Assfuck
>(AKA Little Demon), stuck a crucifix in her anus and licked
>it off while fucking a toy poodle and it was the best sex
>she ever had.
Oh, my! Karlin looks at me with hate in his eyes. Karlin is furious
with me. He lost his self-control. He forgot to take his medicine
again. What am I going to do with him?
Seven, did you read Karlin's post? Can you picture that man
in your mind? Can you "see" that man in your mind? See how
Karlin reacts here. Seven, what you see here is the mind of
a crazy man. Please, Seven, don't tell me that it is hard to
understand the character of Karlin. If you pay attention how
he reacts to me, you will understand his character, you will
see how he feels, how he sounds.
Marianna
Hieronymous707
>Date: 11/9/2004 5:13 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <1100038398....@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
>
>Hieronymous707 wrote (well, maybe):
>
>> >From: "jk" taro...@jktarot.com
>> >Date: 11/9/2004 6:05 AM Eastern Standard Time
>> >Message-id: <1099998326.4...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
>It isn't that interesting, just a knowledgeable preference.
It is, in fact, just a preference.
>You know, like when I decided it was better to inform people
>that you were a liar and a thief. It was a better thing to make
>sure they knew the facts about you, than not to tell them.
Your preference for expressing such 'knowledge' stands in testament of your
commitment to ... "them".
>Some names are better, more pertinent.
>For example, "honest" would be an impertinent way of describing
>Jack Corey Connor, since it is not accurate or reflective of his
>nature and behavior.
Of course, it would be impertinent of you to describe Mr. Connor in any
particular way since you've never met, and really don't know him at all. It
would be imprecise for anyone who knows him to describe his nature and behavior
as merely "honest" since honesty is generally considered in relative terms, and
he is considered to have other good qualities as well.
That is, Mr. Connor's relatives generally consider him honest, among other
things. For example, they also consider him prompt, dependable, fairly good
looking, and a sharp dresser.
>A better name for him would be "liar", or "pathological liar".
Are those names better than "racist"? Someone else called him that name
recently too.
People can, and do, call names. In my experience, integrity speaks for itself
... simply because it has to.
>The notable, if not particularly interesting,
Exactly. Please excuse the snippage. I just don't have the time.
-hi-
Al Smith
> and the particular bette noirs that routinely battle each other for
> years? keep going in the same circles, repeating the same arguments and
> insults over and over again and in such a way that it begins to make
> you question the whole process?
>
> Fortunately there are a few moderated forums where civil discourse can
> take place. And even if nothing new is forthcoming, there is a joy in
> writing about those things one likes.
>
> Even the unmoderated forums become more interesting when one deploys
> one's mail filters in such a way as to edit out any of the more obvious
> "kooks" some of whom are very knowledgeable and well read and with a
> real talent for "cut and paste" type postings (most of whom have
> multiple web sites and like to advertise their personal prejuidices as
> "news"), but even then, these groups being what they are, if one of
> these "kooks" makes a significant contribution, word gets around.
I'm blissfully uninvolved, having nothing against anybody in this
group (or any other group for that matter). Now and then someone
will post an interesting comment about the Tarot. That's why I
read the group -- that, and Marianna's truly strange posts, which
are unlike the posts of any other person on Usenet, being at once
whimsical, lyrical, and completely random.
As for Karlan, his destructive criticism has amused me for some
time. He has a kind of mechanical system by which it is generated
that requires almost no thought, and has as its purpose nothing
other than refutation and insult. Maybe it works for him, as a
protective screen? I found the parody of it hilarious.
Karipidu
>will post an interesting comment about the Tarot. That's why I
>read the group -- that, and Marianna's truly strange posts, which
>are unlike the posts of any other person on Usenet, being at once
>whimsical, lyrical, and completely random.
I know, Greeks seem strange to Americans and Americans seem
strange to Greeks. Did you know that? Every time I go to Greece
my daughter says: Why do Greeks ask so many questions? Why
do Greeks want to know everything about me? I told her, they do
that because they care, because they love you. So, don't be
surprised, I told her.
Marianna
Karipidu
>> And even if nothing new is forthcoming, there is a joy in
>> writing about those things one likes.
>Karlin whose ass is on fire wrote:
>Golden Gate, it's your fate.
Joseph wants to go home but got lost and found himself
at the courtyard of the Temple of Saint Sofia. Joseph knew
the way to his home once; however, now he is not sure.
Joseph sees a mysterious woman who quards the threshold
(Hall) of Saint Sofia. She is sitting on a high throne between
two pillars of the temple, one white and one black.
The woman says: What's your name?
Joseph says: My name is Joseph Stifel
The woman says: How old are you?
Joseph says: 5...
The woman says: Where do you live?
Joseph says: Berkeley, California
The woman says: How did you find yourself here?
Joseph says: I lost the way.
The woman says: What is your address?
Joseph says: I think...Venus Street, number 3...
The woman says: You think? (somewhat sternly). Are you sure?
Well then, don't you know your address?
Joseph (begins to be afraid) says: Yes, woman, I know it, but
I'm not sure if I remember it well.
The woman thinking to herself. What a mess! Then the woman
says to Joseph. Listen, old man, do you or do you not know
your address.
Joseph says: Why are you asking me all this, woman? Tell me
the way and let me go to my home.
The woman says: Come now so that I can show you the way,
and next time be more careful.
Joseph: Thank you very much. If I could, I'd be more careful, but...
Marianna
Karipidu
ahead until the Garden of Aphrodite. The Venus Street is there.
Did you understand?
Joseph says: So-so. Three hours later Joseph entered the
Garden of Aphrodite without saying a word about his adventure.
As soon he entered the Garden of Aphrodite, he heard music
and felt alive.
In the Garden of Aphrodite he sees a woman seating on cushions.
There is a tap in the garden. Here you are, Joseph says.
Miss Aphrodite, who is beautiful, understands and smiles. Then
she speaks:So, you found me?
Joseph says: Yes, but to tell you the truth, I got lost.
Miss Aphrodite says: Did anyone help you?
Joseph says: Yeah, I had to ask a mysterious woman three times
to show me the way.
Miss Aphrodite says: Come now,...better to sing than weep. I don't
have appetite for ancient Greek tragedy. I don't want to cry, I want
to laugh, I want to sing.
Joseph says: I agree absolutely with you. I'm hungry. Aren't we
going to eat anything?
Miss Aphrodite says: Of course! Steak or fish?
Marianna
Al Smith
> strange to Greeks. Did you know that? Every time I go to Greece
> my daughter says: Why do Greeks ask so many questions? Why
> do Greeks want to know everything about me? I told her, they do
> that because they care, because they love you. So, don't be
> surprised, I told her.
> Marianna
The Canadian Al Smith comes to Greece. He looks up Marianna in her
father's vineyard, sitting under a walnut tree with her feet bare,
braiding a sash with yarns of seven colors. "Why are you making
that sash?" Al asks. "I am going to tie it to the corner of the
moon and hang a wind chime from it," Marianna says. "You forgot to
use blue yarn," says Al. Marianna stares at the sash and starts to
cry. "Don't worry," Al tells her, "I know where you can get blue
yarn." He picks at a loose thread at the hem of her dress and
begins to unravel it. Together they braid a new sash and wait for
the moon to rise.
Karipidu
>The Canadian Al Smith comes to Greece. He looks up Marianna in her
>father's vineyard, sitting under a walnut tree with her feet bare,
>braiding a sash with yarns of seven colors. "Why are you making
>that sash?" Al asks. "I am going to tie it to the corner of the
>moon and hang a wind chime from it," Marianna says. "You forgot to
>use blue yarn," says Al. Marianna stares at the sash and starts to
>cry.
Marianna starts to cry? Come on Smith, I'm not Karlin. Karlin
cries. Don't you remember Karlin's cry of anger. And Karlin
also complains like a pregnant woman. How long has Karlin
been pregnant? Al Smith, do you know?
> "Don't worry," Al tells her, "I know where you can get blue
>yarn." He picks at a loose thread at the hem of her dress and
>begins to unravel it. Together they braid a new sash and wait for
>the moon to rise.
The Canadian Smith went to Greece a long time ago.
(Smith from England went to Canada, then to United States
of America, then to Greece, then back again to United States
of America). My mother's in law name is Smith.
Marianna
Joseph Littleshoes
> The woman says: Turn right (at Saint Sofia), then walk straight
> ahead until the Garden of Aphrodite. The Venus Street is there.
> Did you understand?
> Joseph says: So-so.
Cause "Joseph" would rather be hanging out (no pun intended) with
Ganymede serving wine to Zeus or reminiscing with Attis about Apollo on
Delos amongst the sacred Herms.--
JL
Karipidu
>> ahead until the Garden of Aphrodite. The Venus Street is there.
>> Did you understand?
>> Joseph says: So-so.
>From: Joseph Littleshoes jpst...@pacbell.net
>Cause "Joseph" would rather be hanging out (no pun intended)
>with Ganymede serving wine to Zeus or reminiscing with Attis
>about Apollo on Delos amongst the sacred Herms.--
Okay, let's continue...
>> Joseph says: I agree absolutely with you. I'm hungry. Aren't we
>> going to eat anything?
>> Miss Aphrodite says: Of course! Steak or fish?
Joseph says: What day is it? Thursday. Well then, I can eat
both meat and fish. I'm thirsty, aren't we going to drink anything?
Miss Aphrodite says: Of course! Wine.
Miss Astero comes and says: Are you ready?
Miss Aphrodite says: Yeah, bring us some steaks, grilled fish,
and wine.
In a little time Miss Astero brings the food and two glasses of wine.
Then the singer appeared and sang the song "my sweet girl."
Joseph says: Handsome man, eh? ( the singer).
Miss Aphrodite says: Are you kidding? (What beautiful?) He's
skin and bones.
Joseph says: My dear, I don't like fatties.
My sweet girl
I love you, my sweet girl,
I love you for your beauty,
I love, my sweet girl,
I love you for your good heart,
I came with you at first
to play and laugh,
but now I am worried
lest you leave and I lose you
Oh, my sweet girl,
oh, oh, my sweet girl...
Joseph. It's good that we enjoyed ourselves tonight.
Miss Aphrodite. The wine was good, wasn't it? Although
we drank a lot, we didn't get drunk...
Marianna
Karipidu
>Okay, let's continue...
>>> Joseph says: I agree absolutely with you. I'm hungry. Aren't we
>>> going to eat anything?
>>> Miss Aphrodite says: Of course! Steak or fish?
>Joseph says: What day is it? Thursday. Well then, I can eat
>both meat and fish. I'm thirsty, aren't we going to drink anything?
>Miss Aphrodite says: Of course! Wine.
>Miss Astero comes and says: Are you ready?
>Miss Aphrodite says: Yeah, bring us some steaks, grilled fish,
>and wine.
>In a little time Miss Astero brings the food and two glasses of wine.
>Then the singer appeared and sang the song "my sweet girl."
>Joseph says: Handsome man, eh? ( the singer).
>Miss Aphrodite says: Are you kidding? (What beautiful?) He's
>skin and bones.
>Joseph says: My dear, I don't like fatties...
As Joseph and Miss Aphrodite were eating and drinking, Miss
Aphrodite says: the singer is stark naked (theogymnos). Did you
notice it? And the song is about love. If you listen hard, you can
hear what the singer is saying. Joseph, although the men hear
the song they can't hear it. I feel pain in my heart to see so many
men to waste time and time and in the end not to have in their
mind words of love. They don't know what is love, nor do they
want to know what is love.
Miss Aphrodite says:Though you, Joseph, are a fine fellow, people
criticize you.
Joseph says: Yeah, some love me, others hate me."Between
brothers there isn't always love."
Marianna
mary cain
> Joseph YAMhead YAMMED:
>
> > > LOL! You can do better than that.
>
> > Or worse depending on your p.o.v. You have not been accused
> > of moral culpability, yet.
>
> Yeah, he has been.
>
> Pay attention, peabrain.
>
> > Merely of being "a moderately feeble minded person.
> > " who "can be happy with tasks too simple and monotonous
> > to satisfy an intelligent person."
So, are we saying that an intelligent person can't derive pleasure
from simple,
monotonous tasks such as, say...grooming one's pets, riding a bicycle,
tending one's lawn, etc.? Interesting concept, that.
>
> I'm sure he appreciates your spelling it out for him.
Maybe so but I'd be inclined to suggest a spell checker on that issue.
>
> > > You should have asked me what I
> > > meant by the use of the word "great."
>
> > Corey at least attempts wittiness,
>
> He's a dishonest moron, just like you.
>
> > ...he seems harmless, and less likely now than ever before
> > to attempt to pass off someone else's writings as his own,
> > at least here, in alt.tarot.
>
> > And that issue, being the central pin by which the feud has
> > hung, has been defended by Corey, adequately, as far as i am
> > concerned, if there were a lesson to it, it was Coreys and only
> > peripherally the professors---
>
> OF COURSE you're OK with it, you've done exactly the same thing
> here, altering texts of people like Crowley to make them say
> things you needed them to say, but which they didn't say.
Well, it's only a matter of opinion...mine versus yours but, while
certain
theories you entertained concerning Thoth tarot were interesting and
not
without intellectual basis, they seemed to veer from Crowley's
intended
meaning from my perspective. Of course, it could be like Crowley
describes
two people viewing the moon, both concepts might be applicable...just
reminding you of our differences of interpretation a number of times.
>
> > and at lest 1 other person who, delineating the situation,
> administering
> > the coup de grace now keeps beating the corpse in such a way as to
> imply
> > an obsession with Corey beyond that of the average net addict.
>
> What exactly are you talking about?
Oh, I think he's talking about how everytime Corey's name is
mentioned, we are
all treated to a rehash of his alleged offenses. You know, the
infamous 'they'
told me that the things that irritate us the most about other people
are traits
we are also guilty of.
>
> Don't you suffer from the same obsession as Corey?
Or anybody that dares to challenge or otherwise acknowledge the
existance of
the jk!?!
>
> > But hey Al! Does this yet remind you of any number of other news
> groups
> > and the particular bette noirs that routinely battle each other for
> > years?
>
> You might want to check you bette, Joey, because you've been
> damned noir for four years now.
>
> > Fortunately there are a few moderated forums where civil discourse
> can
> > take place.
>
> And plenty of censorship of topical discussion.
Well, at least there's 'some' topical discussion going on...all I've
seen in
here amounts to Greek or drivel for a long while.
>
> > And even if nothing new is forthcoming, there is a joy in
> > writing about those things one likes.
>
> What you like is dishonesty, because it makes you feel good
> to blindly slap at the thing that is killing you.
>
> Golden Gate, it's your fate.
Oh well, and by your self-proclaimed association with the dark
forces...
guess it's down the hatch with the bad batch to you.:-)
>
> > if one of these "kooks" makes a significant contribution, word gets
> around.
>
> What significant contribution to Tarot have you made, kooky?
Too bad you weren't even talking to me...I'd have told you.
>
> (jk)
kc without numbers
Karipidu
criticize you.
Joseph says: Yeah, some love me, others hate me."Between
brothers there isn't always love."
Joseph, do you remember the song "Without you" by Harry Nilsson?
BBC - Radio 2 - Sold On Song - TOP 100 - Without You - ... 99 | Top 100
'Without You' Nilsson listen to song bar Although associated in the public mind
with Harry Nilsson, Without You was actually the work of British ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/soldonsong/songlibrary/withoutyou.shtml
No, I can't forget this evening
Or your face as you were leaving
But I guess that's just the way the story goes
You always smile but in your eyes your sorrow shows
Yes, it shows
No, I can't forget tomorrow
When I think of all my sorrow
When I had you there but then I let you go
And now it's only fair that I should let you know
What you should know
I can't live if living is without you
I can't live, I can't give any more
I can't live if living is without you
I can't give, I can't give any more
No, I can't forget this evening
Or your face as you were leaving
But I guess that's just the way the story goes
You always smile but in your eyes your sorrow shows
Yes, it shows
I can't live if living is without you
I can't live, I can't give anymore
I can't live if living is without you
I can't live, I can't give anymore
Marianna