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Queen of Cups {upturned} by Will Dockery

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Ironywaves

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Nov 11, 2003, 1:17:34 AM11/11/03
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Hi Will, Can you explain to me how do you read Queen of Cups {upturned} off
the deck?

I see cup as a holder, that accumulate things. So a Queen, whose power is in
the savings - ie power, money, magic, people, etc. When the Queen turns the
cup up, everything gets saved. Teach me please.
ying

The card was actually *upside down* in the reading, which Lillian, the Tarot
reader, called "upturned"... meaning, all the contents of the cup would
spill out. The reading was done via email, and I have a copy of the exchange
in a file somewhere... I could possibly post it here, if you're interested.
Will

> Queen of Cups {upturned}
>
> Through a
> cult lense,
> dimly.
>
> I made up
> My own mind
> about you too.
> For us,
> yes,
> it'll turn
> out well.
> For you
> I have my doubts.
>
> The daemon of stupidity
> has too tight a hold
> Even an
> exorcist would
> have little luck so,
> there is little
> hope for her now.
>
> -Will Dockery (c)2003. {for Fawn}

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Rob Evans

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Nov 11, 2003, 9:00:04 AM11/11/03
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In message <vr0vrt7...@corp.supernews.com>, Ironywaves
<irony...@knology.net> writes

>Hi Will, Can you explain to me how do you read Queen of Cups {upturned} off
>the deck?
>
>I see cup as a holder, that accumulate things. So a Queen, whose power is in
>the savings - ie power, money, magic, people, etc. When the Queen turns the
>cup up, everything gets saved. Teach me please.
>ying

The Queen of Cups, Ill-Dignified (i.e. upside down). The meanings,
depending on the chosen spread and the associated cards, include: an
immoral individual, someone given to capricious behaviour and
fantasies, someone inclined to moods, unreliability, vice, a degrading
situation.

Its secret nick-name among we Tarot-Readers is "The Chuckles Card" which
the layman naturally, but erroneously, associates with The Fool.

Hope this helps.

Rob
>

--
Rob Evans
Poetry is the needle that pricks your finger.
Everything else is the haystack.

Ironywaves

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Nov 11, 2003, 10:35:40 AM11/11/03
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"Rob Evans" <r...@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote

> >Hi Will, Can you explain to me how do you read Queen of Cups {upturned}
off
> >the deck?
> >
> >I see cup as a holder, that accumulate things. So a Queen, whose power is
in
> >the savings - ie power, money, magic, people, etc. When the Queen turns
the
> >cup up, everything gets saved. Teach me please.
> >ying
>
> The Queen of Cups, Ill-Dignified (i.e. upside down). The meanings,
> depending on the chosen spread and the associated cards, include: an
> immoral individual, someone given to capricious behaviour and
> fantasies, someone inclined to moods, unreliability, vice, a degrading
> situation.
>
> Its secret nick-name among we Tarot-Readers is "The Chuckles Card" which
> the layman naturally, but erroneously, associates with The Fool.
>
> Hope this helps.
Rob

Exactly, Rob... unfortunately, very very unfortunately, the card explained
the person in the poem very closely:

Queen of Cups {upturned}

Through a
cult lense,
dimly.


I made up
My own mind
about you too.
For us,
yes,
it'll turn
out well.
For you
I have my doubts.

The daemon of stupidity
has too tight a hold
Even an
exorcist would
have little luck so,
there is little
hope for her now.

-Will Dockery (c)2003. {for Fawn}

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Gea Jones

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Nov 11, 2003, 12:21:10 PM11/11/03
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Oh and is known to gossip in this position..
sorry Will,
Gea xxx
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Ironywaves

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Nov 11, 2003, 12:35:08 PM11/11/03
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"Gea Jones" <Geaj...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Oh and is known to gossip in this position..
> sorry Will,
> Gea xxx

Yeah, yeah... I know that part well, as both listener *and* subject.
*shrugs*
Will

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yyyiii...@yahoo.com

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Nov 11, 2003, 2:21:03 PM11/11/03
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"Ironywaves" <irony...@knology.net> wrote in message news:<vr20ikn...@corp.supernews.com>...
Will the poem does tell that pre-emptive decision.

thanks both for interpreting {upturned}. but that was a OLD question.

ying

Ironywaves

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Nov 11, 2003, 2:24:47 PM11/11/03
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<yyyiii...@yahoo.com> wrote

> Will the poem does tell that pre-emptive decision.


>
> thanks both for interpreting {upturned}. but that was a OLD question.
ying

One of the questions that fell through the cracks of Usenet...
Will

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Will Dockery

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Nov 12, 2003, 3:13:45 PM11/12/03
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dock...@yahoo.com (Will Dockery) wrote in message news:<bdb44a4f.03111...@posting.google.com>...
> i guess i'd say this next:
>
> through a glass darkly i saw:
> lights blinking,
> and a fog so intense that:
>
> well, what would the gods say?
>
> innocence being the sweetest gift,
> i suppose that Athena would bless
> Dionysius's ashes forward in
>
> whatever splendor might be found.
>
> In the heavens as the skies firsr praised
> and gave thanks for the steady hand of
> Constantine;
>
> as some Lions never salved the Christians;
> and as,
>
> breathe was given to every pilot's wife who ever
> lived and breathed:
>
> Because of this:
>
> Beauty is incarnate in the valley of the Soul.
> Beauty is believable.
> Love goes on.

Beautiful poetry, Linda... nice conterpoint to my poem... where are you, these days?
Will

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Will Dockery

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Mar 14, 2013, 10:14:19 AM3/14/13
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Rob Evans wrote:
> In message <vr0vrt7...@corp.supernews.com>, Ironywaves writes
> >Hi Will, Can you explain to me how do you read Queen of Cups {upturned} off
> >the deck?
> >
> >I see cup as a holder, that accumulate things. So a Queen, whose power is in
> >the savings - ie power, money, magic, people, etc. When the Queen turns the
> >cup up, everything gets saved. Teach me please.
> >ying
>
> The Queen of Cups, Ill-Dignified (i.e. upside down). The meanings,
> depending on the chosen spread and the associated cards, include: an
> immoral individual, someone given to capricious behaviour and
> fantasies, someone inclined to moods, unreliability, vice, a degrading
> situation.
>
> Its secret nick-name among we Tarot-Readers is "The Chuckles Card" which
> the layman naturally, but erroneously, associates with The Fool.
>
> Hope this helps.

Well, this thread seems broken all over Usenet, or rather the archives!

Thanks Rob, where ever you are!

--
Truck Stop Woman / Will Dockery & Henry Conley:
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