Tarot FAQ
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mary cain
"jk" <taro...@jktarot.com> wrote in message
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Is that all you do anymore, jk?...one liners, blue clickies and advertise
your web site? Then, perhaps I was wrong and this is a wasteland...how sad
is that?
KC
Joseph Littleshoes
Could be worse.
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JL
mary cain
"Joseph Littleshoes" <jpst...@isp.com> wrote in message
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True enough but jk had a wealth of knowledge and could get a discussion
going. Even or especially disagreeing with him could really stretch your
mind. Who's gonna fill his shoes?
KC
Al Smith
Wealth of knowledge, no; scattering of information, yes.
-Al-
mary cain
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Ok...to each his own opinion.
Peace,
KC
Joseph Littleshoes
> "Joseph Littleshoes" <jpst...@isp.com> wrote in message
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>
>>mary cain wrote:
>>
>>>"jk" <taro...@jktarot.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>>http://jktarot.com/faq.html
>>>>
>>>>(jk)
>>>>
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>>>>Rhapsodies of the Bizarre:
>>>>http://www.lulu.com/content/362876
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>>>
>>>Is that all you do anymore, jk?...one liners, blue clickies and advertise
>>>your web site? Then, perhaps I was wrong and this is a wasteland...how
>>>sad is that?
>>>
>>>KC
>>
>>Could be worse.
>>--
>>JL
>
>
> True enough but jk had a wealth of knowledge and could get a discussion
> going.
If you were willing to osculate his derriere, he would then condescend
to quote his favorite passages from previously published materials by
other authors, even his deconstruction of Crowley's Book of Thoth is
just a stating of the obvious, with the added presumption that Crowley
needs to be explained to us moronic illiterates.
> Even or especially disagreeing with him could really stretch your
> mind.
If one wanted to learn how to blame everyone else for ones own personal
cultus paranoia that yes, i suppose he did have an advantage there, but
null content verbiage is not something i seek out, have you looked at
his web site?
Who's gonna fill his shoes?
He has his own yahoo group, you can make an appointment to osculate his
derriere at his convenience and there is a pay pal link so you can
financially support his misanthropy.
For all his tough guy rhetoric he left here, no one 'kicked him out' i
doubt he would ever admit he was shamed by various people willingness to
tell him just how much he resembled the anatomical orifice he was so
fond of comparing others to but it seems to me that when the general
consensus turned against him he left, rather than try to modify his
rhetoric so that his editorial abilities were not such a waste of time
to read, and that, not just here, he is routinely banned from various
Tarot forums for his aggressively anti social behavior in them.
Of course ... its always everybody else's fault, the game balls and yams
just cant handle the "Truth" when he claims to possess it, of course
getting him to do more than claim to possess it is another issue altogether.
I have often praised his editorial capacities, but he seems to have a
morbid aversion to people expressing any sort of original thought about
the tarot, and by implication, anything else.
--
JL
>
> KC
>
>
Al Smith
By that I meant that old JK knows a fair amount about the history of
the Tarot, and the mechanics of the symbolism, but he doesn't have
any appreciation for the Tarot. He doesn't really understand it. It
isn't alive for him, it's just a collection of images. A. E. Waite
suffered from the same limitation of understanding, and I'm sure
Waite never realized his limitation, either. You can't make a person
deaf from birth appreciate music.
-Al-
Al Smith
He is certain that he knows everything. When a person achieves that
level of certainty, their minds are closed, and they are incapable
of learning anything.
-Al-
mary cain
Ok, I take your point but I think you're being a bit too critical. He did,
in fact, inspire some very good threads. I don't mean to imply that he is
the only one that can do it...he is just the one I saw do it. I did not
much agree with him when it came to Thoth but I did learn from his
perspective as a counter-point to my own. AND, I didn't kiss up.
>
>> Even or especially disagreeing with him could really stretch your mind.
>
> If one wanted to learn how to blame everyone else for ones own personal
> cultus paranoia that yes, i suppose he did have an advantage there, but
> null content verbiage is not something i seek out, have you looked at his
> web site?
Not in a long while and with no great ambition to do so now. It is flat by
comparison to the form we used to get going here. It is not just jk I miss
but a lot of the people left when he did...or he had a really full sock
drawer.:-)
>
> Who's gonna fill his shoes?
>
> He has his own yahoo group, you can make an appointment to osculate his
> derriere at his convenience and there is a pay pal link so you can
> financially support his misanthropy.
Oops, that's where I fell out with him most. It was a forum free to all and
he had as much chance to learn from others as they did him. When you put a
price on it...it changes into something entirely different. Thanks for
refreshing my memory.
>
> For all his tough guy rhetoric he left here, no one 'kicked him out' i
> doubt he would ever admit he was shamed by various people willingness to
> tell him just how much he resembled the anatomical orifice he was so fond
> of comparing others to but it seems to me that when the general consensus
> turned against him he left, rather than try to modify his rhetoric so that
> his editorial abilities were not such a waste of time to read, and that,
> not just here, he is routinely banned from various Tarot forums for his
> aggressively anti social behavior in them.
>
> Of course ... its always everybody else's fault, the game balls and yams
> just cant handle the "Truth" when he claims to possess it, of course
> getting him to do more than claim to possess it is another issue
> altogether.
Yes, but it could be done if you had a big enough hammer that he couldn't
ignore it.
>
> I have often praised his editorial capacities, but he seems to have a
> morbid aversion to people expressing any sort of original thought about
> the tarot, and by implication, anything else.
Now, I don't see him that way. I see him as tenacious, even dogged in his
stance but if you could come up with something he couldn't refute he
acknowledged it, though perhaps not directly. He did tend to forget that he
gave ground shortly there after, though.
> --
> JL
>
>
>>
>> KC
mary cain
Ok...I basically agree with this. He is a historian and he does study the
tarot from a textual relevance rather than as you say 'alive' but he is a
good balance for those who are weak in these areas and strong in others. I
guess I just feel that every link in the chain is significant, especially
when there is something to be mined.
KC
Al Smith
Nothing wrong with knowing the history and the symbolic structure of
the Tarot. It just isn't enough, in and of itself. It's like
studying the history of Voodoo without ever having been possessed by
the spirits. It can never give a true insight into what it's all
about. There is superficial, external understanding, and then there
is internal, immediate wisdom. Ideally, you combine the two, and you
have real knowledge.
-Al-
mary cain
I do not disagree with this at all. BTW, do we still shorten posts that are
getting really long or do you all like to keep them flowing?
TIA,
KC
Joseph Littleshoes
>
> I do not disagree with this at all. BTW, do we still shorten posts that are
> getting really long or do you all like to keep them flowing?
>
> TIA,
>
> KC
>
>
--
JL
Al Smith
>> > Tarot. It just isn't enough, in and of itself. It's like studying the
>> > history of Voodoo without ever having been possessed by the spirits. It
>> > can never give a true insight into what it's all about. There is
>> > superficial, external understanding, and then there is internal, immediate
>> > wisdom. Ideally, you combine the two, and you have real knowledge.
>> >
>> > -Al-
>
> I do not disagree with this at all. BTW, do we still shorten posts that are
> getting really long or do you all like to keep them flowing?
>
> TIA,
>
> KC
>
>
The sensible ones trim the posts, those lacking common sense post
the entire thread. The really foolish ones complain about having
their comments cut out when a thread is trimmed.
-Al-
nagasiva
>>>>Is that all you do anymore, jk?...one liners,
>>>>blue clickies and advertise your web site?
see below. "Jess Karlin" settles where he is allowed to.
he has been removed from more than one forum due to his
methods, and then takes it personally (after making it so).
usenet has not the same population it once had, and so it
does not so often draw the attention of massive egos whose
brains haven't been addled by some psychological illness.
>>>>Then, perhaps I was wrong and this is a wasteland....
in usenet you get out in proportion what you put in. most
want free returns and don't want to spend the time making
contributions. they want to sup off of the time and effort
of others. when they cannot do this they call usenet a
"wasteland". it is truly a waste of their time beause the
concentration of people no longer seems to arrive here
and they have no way of drumming up conversation. your
reflections here will generate some conversation. well done.
>> True enough [that it could be worse] but jk had a
>> wealth of knowledge and could get a discussion going.
many less hostile and more informed people can do likewise.
you have demonstrated an ability to do this without hostility
for example, or combative insecurity, which is superior. now
cross-posting to the proper forums will add more fuel.
>...his deconstruction of Crowley's Book of Thoth is
>just a stating of the obvious, with the added presumption
>that Crowley needs to be explained to us moronic illiterates.
given that Crowley set up blinds and ciphers for his Table
of Correspondences it warrants explication.
>...null content verbiage is not something i seek out, have
>you looked at his web site?
I have. some of it was entertaining. I have often spoke
highly of Jess' non-hostile philosophical method. that is
ruined his by his interest in belittlement and avoidance
of personal weakness, of course, but i have had hope.
>> Who's gonna fill his shoes?
>
>He has his own yahoo group....
that doesn't fill his role in alt.tarot, naturally. she
was noticing his absence in this newsgroup. easy to do.
>...he was shamed by various people willingness to
>tell him just how much he resembled the anatomical
>orifice he was so fond of comparing others to but
>it seems to me that when the general consensus
>turned against him he left, rather than try to
>modify his rhetoric so that his editorial
>abilities were not such a waste of time to read,
>and that, not just here, he is routinely banned
>from various Tarot forums for his aggressively
>anti social behavior in them.
I doubt it was shame. probably a lack of attention,
insufficient participative throughput. many have
criticized usenet for this facet, despite its
original sparcity of participant (to me it seems
like a return to the early days, but with many
more newsgroups from which to choose and a few more
crazy whackos off their medication than before).
>...he seems to have a morbid aversion to people
>expressing any sort of original thought about
>the tarot, and by implication, anything else.
I don't mistake his challenge as aversion. my
interpretation is that what interests him draws
his most vicious criticisms, and his repeated
and incisive questioning tends to flesh out what
route he actually wishes to take through the chat,
even when he becomes acid, but before he
disassembles into name-calling and vitriolic spew.
nagasiva
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Joseph Littleshoes
> this is what some people like about
> ogres who challenge everything and pick holes in the
> ideas and expressions of others.
> if this is *all* that
> they do, they get a reputation as a troll or worse.
>
> nagasiva
A predictively boring troll living under an uninteresting bridge of null
content verbiage. A 'style' that objects to other styles.
How often can anything or anyone be referred to as any particular non
sequitur before a constant reiteration of such null content verbiage
begins to weary, to say nothing of its inaccuracy if allowed as a
reasonable statement.
Some one actually put forward a 'torretts syndrome' defense of the
Karlin & its ilks style, but as i wrote at the time, the torretts
syndrome defense fails when it can be seen to do so, i.e. when properly
osculating that particular derrière it couldn't be nicer.
In all my years on the net i have only once, and that only threatened,
to tell some denizens of a particular group to go FAQ themselves:)
--
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> >>> mary cain wrote:
>
> >>>> "jk" <tarot...@jktarot.com> wrote in messagenews:366fee2c-75c2-48de...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>>http://jktarot.com/faq.html
>
> >>>>> (jk)
>
> >>>>> ************************************
> >>>>> Rhapsodies of the Bizarre:
> >>>>>http://www.lulu.com/content/362876
> >>>>> ************************************
>
> >>>> Is that all you do anymore, jk?...one liners, blue clickies and advertise your web site? Then, perhaps I was wrong and this is a wasteland...how sad is that?
>
> >>>> KC
>
> >>> Could be worse.
> >>> --
> >>> JL
>
> >> True enough but jk had a wealth of knowledge and could get a discussion going.
>
> > If you were willing to osculate his derriere, he would then condescend to quote his favorite passages from previously published materials by other authors, even his deconstruction of Crowley's Book of Thoth is just a stating of the obvious, with the added presumption that Crowley needs to be explained to us moronic illiterates.
>
> >> Even or especially disagreeing with him could really stretch your mind.
>
> > If one wanted to learn how to blame everyone else for ones own personal cultus paranoia that yes, i suppose he did have an advantage there, but null content verbiage is not something i seek out, have you looked at his web site?
>
> > Who's gonna fill his shoes?
What does it mean?
> > He has his own yahoo group, you can make an appointment to osculate his derriere at his convenience and there is a pay pal link so you can financially support his misanthropy.
>
> > For all his tough guy rhetoric he left here, no one 'kicked him out' i doubt he would ever admit he was shamed by various people willingness to tell him just how much he resembled the anatomical orifice he was so fond of comparing others to but it seems to me that when the general consensus turned against him he left, rather than try to modify his rhetoric so that his editorial abilities were not such a waste of time to read, and that, not just here, he is routinely banned from various Tarot forums for his aggressively anti social behavior in them.
>
> > Of course ... its always everybody else's fault, the game balls and yams just cant handle the "Truth" when he claims to possess it, of course getting him to do more than claim to possess it is another issue altogether.
>
> > I have often praised his editorial capacities, but he seems to have a morbid aversion to people expressing any sort of original thought about the tarot, and by implication, anything else.
> > --
> > JL
>
> He is certain that he knows everything. When a person achieves that
> level of certainty, their minds are closed, and they are incapable
> of learning anything.
>
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mary cain
"nagasiva" <yronwode.com@nagasiva> wrote in message
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> Joseph Littleshoes <jpst...@isp.com>:
>>mary cain wrote:
>>> "Joseph Littleshoes" <jpst...@isp.com> wrote in message
>>>>mary cain wrote:
>
>>>>>Is that all you do anymore, jk?...one liners,
>>>>>blue clickies and advertise your web site?
>
> see below. "Jess Karlin" settles where he is allowed to.
> he has been removed from more than one forum due to his
> methods, and then takes it personally (after making it so).
> usenet has not the same population it once had, and so it
> does not so often draw the attention of massive egos whose
> brains haven't been addled by some psychological illness.
>
>>>>>Then, perhaps I was wrong and this is a wasteland....
>
> in usenet you get out in proportion what you put in. most
> want free returns and don't want to spend the time making
> contributions. they want to sup off of the time and effort
> of others. when they cannot do this they call usenet a
> "wasteland". it is truly a waste of their time beause the
> concentration of people no longer seems to arrive here
> and they have no way of drumming up conversation. your
> reflections here will generate some conversation. well done.
Thank you and I hope so. I don't mind contributing, that's where the fun
is.
>
>>> True enough [that it could be worse] but jk had a
>>> wealth of knowledge and could get a discussion going.
>
> many less hostile and more informed people can do likewise.
> you have demonstrated an ability to do this without hostility
> for example, or combative insecurity, which is superior. now
> cross-posting to the proper forums will add more fuel.
>
>>...his deconstruction of Crowley's Book of Thoth is
>>just a stating of the obvious, with the added presumption
>>that Crowley needs to be explained to us moronic illiterates.
>
> given that Crowley set up blinds and ciphers for his Table
> of Correspondences it warrants explication.
Yes, and maybe people can reach something remotely resembling consensus. It
seems to me that one of the main obstacles is the greatest advantage
also...that of free thinking.
>
>>...null content verbiage is not something i seek out, have
>>you looked at his web site?
>
> I have. some of it was entertaining. I have often spoke
> highly of Jess' non-hostile philosophical method. that is
> ruined his by his interest in belittlement and avoidance
> of personal weakness, of course, but i have had hope.
>
>>> Who's gonna fill his shoes?
>>
>>He has his own yahoo group....
>
> that doesn't fill his role in alt.tarot, naturally. she
> was noticing his absence in this newsgroup. easy to do.
Yes, and in the earlier days it seemed he was less combative and more
tenacious. I can do tenacious and much can be learned by someone who will
defend their thought on a matter.
Yeah, spew is pretty much indicative of an impasse point. I have thought at
times that it was all an act by him (jk) to draw a person out. Of course,
if he found a chink in your armor he'd go for it but, as you say, he was
interested in the first place.
Ultimately, my intent is to discuss tarot and related matters moreso than
personalities. I'm totally open to how to get to the goal.
> nagasiva
KC
jk
> see below. "Jess Karlin" settles where he is allowed to.
As do we all. I would not think you'd fair very well in the UK for
example.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1578945/Predators-tell-children-how-to-kill-themselves.html
(jk)
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jk
> If you were willing to osculate his derriere, he would then condescend
> to quote his favorite passages from previously published materials by
> other authors, even his deconstruction of Crowley's Book of Thoth is
> just a stating of the obvious, with the added presumption that Crowley
> needs to be explained to us moronic illiterates.
Joey, the good news for you is that, unlike so many other moronic
illiterates, your life had a purpose.
You will be a footnote in the chapter of my life, "The Practical
Benefits of Earthworms and Astral Lavae".
Congratulations. You made it.
The bad news for you is that my very first comment to you, all those
years ago, you know---"You're a liar."---seems to have been all too
true.
You really ought to stop lying quite so much.
That reckoning with Maat is already going to be rough for you that
way.
So long.
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> On May 28, 2:00�pm, Joseph Littleshoes <jpsti...@isp.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>In all my years on the net i have only once, and that only threatened,
>>to tell some denizens of a particular group to go FAQ themselves:)
>>
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> >> "Joseph Littleshoes" <jpsti...@isp.com> wrote in message
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> >>>mary cain wrote:
> >>>>news:366fee2c-75c2-48de...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>http://jktarot.com/faq.html
> >>>>>(jk)
> >>>>>************************************
> >>>>>Rhapsodies of the Bizarre:
> >>>>>http://www.lulu.com/content/362876
> >>>>>************************************
> >>>>Is that all you do anymore, jk?...one liners, blue clickies and
> >>>>advertise your web site? Then, perhaps I was wrong and this is a
> >>>>wasteland...how sad is that?
> >>>>KC
> >>>Could be worse.
> >>>--
> >>>JL
> >> True enough but jk had a wealth of knowledge and could get a discussion
> >> going.
> > quote his favorite passages from previously published materials by other
> > authors,
Authors?
One thing I don't ever recall was seeing any comment on
whether or not his quotations were accurate either, or
how accurate they were (are).
even his deconstruction of Crowley's Book of Thoth is just a
> > stating of the obvious, with the added presumption that Crowley needs to
> > be explained to us moronic illiterates.
>
> Ok, I take your point but I think you're being a bit too critical. He did,
> in fact, inspire some very good threads. I don't mean to imply that he is
> the only one that can do it...he is just the one I saw do it. I did not
> much agree with him when it came to Thoth but I did learn from his
> perspective as a counter-point to my own. AND, I didn't kiss up.
> >> Even or especially disagreeing with him could really stretch your mind.
> > If one wanted to learn how to blame everyone else for ones own personal
> > cultus paranoia that yes, i suppose he did have an advantage there, but
> > null content verbiage is not something i seek out, have you looked at his
> > web site?
>
> Not in a long while and with no great ambition to do so now. It is flat by
> comparison to the form we used to get going here. It is not just jk I miss
> but a lot of the people left when he did...or he had a really full sock
> drawer.:-)
No, from comments you may have missed I understand
Margaret is no longer of this world. Makes you wonder
how many people had hosiery compartments.
Like a lot of USENET though much of the discussion is
going on in proprietory fora I understand.
It's all gone social networking where you kind of have a
GUI pad and shoot out links - whether it's the equivalent
of atuomated updates to the kinds of SIGs (Special
Interest Groups) that were an ealry hybrid of LISTSERV-
style lists and formal organisations such as institutes or
simply giving a virtual poke and, like, going "you're my
fwend now..."
Much of the demise can be said to be down to the withdrawal
behind lines by academic sites, the vestigialising of the
JANET sector, if you will; a lot of the older academic types are
still active on-line--for example some of the guys who
coded the KERMIT standard for communication and
remote logins are knocking about in the uk hierarchy,
for example, but mainly from home now broadband is
the watchword.
There are other early figures who were instrumental in
the first USENET and JANET experiments also I
gather, but I'm less certain of their credentials as
this predates my own time. The KERMIT guys I can
kind of vouch for.
> > > Who's gonna fill his shoes?
> > He has his own yahoo group, you can make an appointment to osculate his
> > derriere at his convenience and there is a pay pal link so you can
> > financially support his misanthropy.
>
> Oops, that's where I fell out with him most. It was a forum free to all and
> he had as much chance to learn from others as they did him. When you put a
> price on it...it changes into something entirely different. Thanks for
> refreshing my memory.
It should still be a forum open to any with a genuine
interest in the tarot, for the discussion of tarot.
The meticuluous may have noticed the absence of
cross posting in this reply.
> > For all his tough guy rhetoric he left here, no one 'kicked him out' i
> > doubt he would ever admit he was shamed by various people willingness to
> > tell him just how much he resembled the anatomical orifice he was so fond
> > of comparing others to but it seems to me that when the general consensus
> > turned against him he left, rather than try to modify his rhetoric so that
> > his editorial abilities were not such a waste of time to read, and that,
> > not just here, he is routinely banned from various Tarot forums for his
> > aggressively anti social behavior in them.
> > Of course ... its always everybody else's fault, the game balls and yams
> > just cant handle the "Truth" when he claims to possess it, of course
> > getting him to do more than claim to possess it is another issue
> > altogether.
>
> Yes, but it could be done if you had a big enough hammer that he couldn't
> ignore it.
> > I have often praised his editorial capacities, but he seems to have a
> > morbid aversion to people expressing any sort of original thought about
> > the tarot, and by implication, anything else.
Is that what you consider fer ply then?
> Now, I don't see him that way. I see him as tenacious, even dogged in his
> stance but if you could come up with something he couldn't refute he
> acknowledged it, though perhaps not directly. He did tend to forget that he
> gave ground shortly there after, though.
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> > --
> > JL
> >> KC
> >> Nothing wrong with knowing the history and the symbolic structure of the
> >> > Tarot. It just isn't enough, in and of itself. It's like studying the
> >> > history of Voodoo without ever having been possessed by the spirits. It
> >> > can never give a true insight into what it's all about. There is
> >> > superficial, external understanding, and then there is internal, immediate
> >> > wisdom. Ideally, you combine the two, and you have real knowledge.
> >> > -Al-
Or like studying the history of the blues without ever having
ridden a train?
> > I do not disagree with this at all. BTW, do we still shorten posts that are
> > getting really long or do you all like to keep them flowing?
> > TIA,
> > KC
> The sensible ones trim the posts, those lacking common sense post
> the entire thread. The really foolish ones complain about having
> their comments cut out when a thread is trimmed.
> -Al-
>
>
The astute may have gathered it is no longer the
alt.tarot FAQ but JK's FAQ.
This raises the interesting question of how much of
the original FAQ - assuming he was not the original
author/maintainer (before my time but implied in the
text of earlier versions) survived the occam's razor
of his previously mentioned editorial acumen.
Interestingly it is a razor which can indeed affect
one's vision, depending how it is used.
Sometimes keeping a thread going can be a nick of time maneouvre
in the world of web-based interfaces.
> "nagasiva" <yronwode.com@nagasiva> wrote in message
>
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> > Joseph Littleshoes <jpsti...@isp.com>:
> >>mary cain wrote:
> >>> "Joseph Littleshoes" <jpsti...@isp.com> wrote in message
> >>>>mary cain wrote:
>
> >>>>>Is that all you do anymore, jk?...one liners,
> >>>>>blue clickies and advertise your web site?
>
>
> > see below. "Jess Karlin" settles where he is allowed to.
> > he has been removed from more than one forum due to his
> > methods, and then takes it personally (after making it so).
> > usenet has not the same population it once had, and so it
> > does not so often draw the attention of massive egos whose
> > brains haven't been addled by some psychological illness.
>
>
> >>>>>Then, perhaps I was wrong and this is a wasteland....
>
>
> > in usenet you get out in proportion what you put in. most
> > want free returns and don't want to spend the time making
> > contributions. they want to sup off of the time and effort
> > of others. when they cannot do this they call usenet a
> > "wasteland". it is truly a waste of their time beause the
> > concentration of people no longer seems to arrive here
> > and they have no way of drumming up conversation. your
> > reflections here will generate some conversation. well done.
>
>
>
> Thank you and I hope so. I don't mind contributing, that's where the fun
> is.
>
>
> >>> True enough [that it could be worse] but jk had a
> >>> wealth of knowledge and could get a discussion going.
>
>
> > many less hostile and more informed people can do likewise.
> > you have demonstrated an ability to do this without hostility
> > for example, or combative insecurity, which is superior. now
> > cross-posting to the proper forums will add more fuel.
>
>
> >>...his deconstruction of Crowley's Book of Thoth is
> >>just a stating of the obvious, with the added presumption
> >>that Crowley needs to be explained to us moronic illiterates.
>
>
> > given that Crowley set up blinds and ciphers for his Table
> > of Correspondences it warrants explication.
>
>
>
> Yes, and maybe people can reach something remotely resembling consensus. It
> seems to me that one of the main obstacles is the greatest advantage
> also...that of free thinking.
>
>
> >>...null content verbiage is not something i seek out, have
> >>you looked at his web site?
>
>
> > I have. some of it was entertaining. I have often spoke
> > highly of Jess' non-hostile philosophical method. that is
> > ruined his by his interest in belittlement and avoidance
> > of personal weakness, of course, but i have had hope.
>
>
> >>> Who's gonna fill his shoes?
>
>
> >>He has his own yahoo group....
>
>
> > that doesn't fill his role in alt.tarot, naturally. she
> > was noticing his absence in this newsgroup. easy to do.
>
>
>
> Yes, and in the earlier days it seemed he was less combative and more
> tenacious.
Fuck off.
> I can do tenacious and much can be learned by someone who will
> defend their thought on a matter.
>
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> >>...he was shamed by various people willingness to
> >>tell him just how much he resembled the anatomical
> >>orifice he was so fond of comparing others to but
> >>it seems to me that when the general consensus
> >>turned against him he left, rather than try to
> >>modify his rhetoric so that his editorial
> >>abilities were not such a waste of time to read,
> >>and that, not just here, he is routinely banned
> >>from various Tarot forums for his aggressively
> >>anti social behavior in them.
>
>
> > I doubt it was shame. probably a lack of attention,
> > insufficient participative throughput. many have
> > criticized usenet for this facet, despite its
> > original sparcity of participant (to me it seems
> > like a return to the early days, but with many
> > more newsgroups from which to choose
That like the boys of summer and the blossoms
of the spring are withering, perishing, gone and,
in some cases, flourishing.
> and a few more
> > > crazy whackos off their medication than before).
Fuck! Off?
> >>...he seems to have a morbid aversion to people
> >>expressing any sort of original thought about
> >>the tarot, and by implication, anything else.
>
>
> > I don't mistake his challenge as aversion. my
> > interpretation is that what interests him draws
> > his most vicious criticisms, and his repeated
> > and incisive questioning tends to flesh out what
> > route he actually wishes to take through the chat,
> > even when he becomes acid, but before he
> > disassembles into name-calling and vitriolic spew.
> Yeah, spew is pretty much indicative of an impasse point. I have thought at
> times that it was all an act by him (jk) to draw a person out. Of course,
> if he found a chink in your armor he'd go for it but, as you say, he was
> interested in the first place.
>
> Ultimately, my intent is to discuss tarot and related matters moreso than
> personalities. I'm totally open to how to get to the goal.
I'm still drawing a blank trying to find a Tarotrump No 4 deck
by conventional - i.e., non-online - methods.
> nagasiva
>
>
> KC
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I haven't looked but: are people with accounts on the various
networking sites making videos of their spreads and posting
them? Or is this because spreads only become troublesome
to interpret after they've been spreaded? like bread always
landing butter side down, a rule I find my natural luck just sees
me flaunting--albeit taking care not to be clumsy helps.?
Not that I do juggle toast; but I do toast a good juggler.
G DAEB
COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON
--
Joseph Littleshoes
>
> I haven't looked but: are people with accounts on the various
> networking sites making videos of their spreads and posting
> them? Or is this because spreads only become troublesome
> to interpret after they've been spreaded? like bread always
> landing butter side down, a rule I find my natural luck just sees
> me flaunting--albeit taking care not to be clumsy helps.?
>
> Not that I do juggle toast; but I do toast a good juggler.
>
> G DAEB
> COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON
> --
Ah ... but can you juggle toasters?
--
JL
WitchesCorner
> WitchesCorner wrote:
> > On May 28, 2:00�pm, Joseph Littleshoes <jpsti...@isp.com> wrote:
>
> >>In all my years on the net i have only once, and that only threatened,
> >>to tell some denizens of a particular group to go FAQ themselves:)
>
> >>--
> >>Joseph Littleshoes
> >www.WitchesCorner.com/tarote-card-readings.html
>
> ERROR 404 - PAGE NOT FOUND
> Oops! Looks like the page you're looking for was moved or never existed.
> Make sure you typed the correct URL or followed a valid link.
> --
> Joseph Littleshoes
> .
>
> alt.magick.moderated is a MODERATED newsgroup.
> may locate the newest Posting Guidelines and Charter
> for the newsgroup before your first post. Contact the
Sorry! Here is the correct link http://www.witchescorner.com/tarot-card-readings.html
Joseph Littleshoes
> On Jul 27, 4:15 pm, Joseph Littleshoes <jpsti...@isp.com> wrote:
>
>>WitchesCorner wrote:
>>
>>>On May 28, 2:00�pm, Joseph Littleshoes <jpsti...@isp.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>In all my years on the net i have only once, and that only threatened,
>>>>to tell some denizens of a particular group to go FAQ themselves:)
>>
>>>>--
>>>>Joseph Littleshoes
>>>
>>>www.WitchesCorner.com/tarote-card-readings.html
>>
>>ERROR 404 - PAGE NOT FOUND
>>Oops! Looks like the page you're looking for was moved or never existed.
>>Make sure you typed the correct URL or followed a valid link.
>>--
>>Joseph Littleshoes
>> .
>
>
Still no "FAQ" only a price list for some very expensive "readings"
though at $700.00 per "reading" i guess you don't need to do too many.
--
JL
.
alt.magick.moderated is a MODERATED newsgroup.
tyaginator
>The astute may have gathered it is no longer the
>alt.tarot FAQ but JK's FAQ.
what 'it' is varies.
>This raises the interesting question of how much of
>the original FAQ - assuming he was not the original
>author/maintainer (before my time but implied in the
>text of earlier versions) survived the occam's razor
>of his previously mentioned editorial acumen.
it's been preserved in amber in several variations,
though i don't see that it has been adequately
archived at faqs.org where i first sought it.
1) alt.tarot FAQ 1994 (aka alt.magick TaroREF)
Frequently Asked Questions about the Tarot
Version 1.1 -- August 1994
Written by Mark Danburg-Wyld
First release: 22 October 1993
http://www.arcane-archive.org/faqs/taroref.php
2) alt.tarot FAQ 1996
Written by Jess Karlin,
based on the original tarot-faq by Mark Danburg-Wyld.
http://www.arcane-archive.org/faqs/faq.a-tarot.9612.php
3) alt.tarot FAQ 1998
Written by Jess Karlin,
based on the original tarot-faq by Mark Danburg-Wyld.
Last revision: 1 January 1998
http://www.arcane-archive.org/faqs/faq.a-tarot.9801.php
also note
4) Tarot Layouts REF (aka alt.magick TRTLYREF)
Reference Guide about Tarot Layouts
Version 4.0.0 - 07/01/1996
Compiled by David C. Jones (djo...@ponder.csci.unt.edu)
http://www.arcane-archive.org/faqs/trtlyref.php
>Interestingly it is a razor which can indeed affect
>one's vision, depending how it is used.
unless you have a good memory, or good archive.
tyaginator