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Paul Mitchum  
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 More options Oct 28 1998, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.tarot
From: mil...@SPAMFREEusa.net (Paul Mitchum)
Date: 1998/10/28
Subject: Re: What is an OBES????
Obligatory (Bullshit?) Exit Speech.

In article <718ov4$...@news1.newsguy.com>, "aradia"

<*aradia...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>Okay, I have to admit it --- in all the newsgroups I've read, I've never
>seen "OBES" anywhere. So, somebody flag down the clue bus for me and tell me
>what an OBES is.

>Thanks! :)
>aradia
>(OBB)

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J. Karlin  
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 More options Oct 29 1998, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.tarot
From: "J. Karlin" <r3win...@texas.net>
Date: 1998/10/29
Subject: Re: What is an OBES????

aradia wrote:
> Okay, I have to admit it --- in all the newsgroups I've read, I've never
> seen "OBES" anywhere. So, somebody flag down the clue bus for me and tell me
> what an OBES is.

(O)bligatory (B)rave (E)xit (S)peech---

It's the 'brave' but ineffectual speech that many people,
particularly those who feel the need to condemn others for not
having lived up to their prejudiced views of what alt.tarot is
supposed to be, make when they feel compelled to publicly announce
they are no longer going to post to this newsgroup.

It's a variation of Nixon's infamous---'you won't have Nixon
to kick around anymore,' comments. It's often dunked in
the same bucket of cant.

Over the years, the similarities of these speeches, given over
and over again in slightly different but always dreary forms,
caused us to simplify the form---OBES. When people start whining
about styles and not paying much attention to content here,
when they start mentioning the 'c' word, civility, and
complaining about the lack of same from others, those
are signs (albeit, not necessarily absolute indications)
that the person is drafting his OBES and will soon be
feeling 'obliged' to tell us all off and then won't WE
ever feel bad about it.

So far, few people have felt particularly bad about it.

In fact, OBES's can be opportunities for celebrating a sense
of accomplishment---one less sanctimonious nitwit to gum up the
'works'.

Of course a lot of these people hang around for years in
lurk mode or 'plot' mode and I suspect a lot of them reappear
wearing variations of AOL disguises, but once one has delivered
an honest-to-(G)oddess OBES, the ignominy of it rather stains
whatever remains of the dregs of his life.

You can assist yourself in not feeling obliged to make some
'brave', but lame, speech of exit, by reading the
FAQ for this newsgroup:

http://lonestar.texas.net/~r3winter/tarotfaq.html

It does explain the 'rules'. It also explains the predominant
point of view that shapes discourse here. And it will likely
teach you some things about tarot.

(jk)


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BaddM0J0  
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 More options Oct 29 1998, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.tarot
From: baddm...@aol.com (BaddM0J0)
Date: 1998/10/29
Subject: Re: What is an OBES????

> So, somebody flag down the clue bus for me and tell me
>what an OBES is.

LOLOLOL! I think this may be yet another topic that shouldbe covered in
theAlt.Tarot FAQ..lol (along with the earlier "where to get a deck online"
suggestion)
Are you taking notes by any chance JK? It would serve a very useful purpose ,ya
know? :-)

*MoJo*


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J. Karlin  
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 More options Oct 29 1998, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.tarot
From: "J. Karlin" <r3win...@texas.net>
Date: 1998/10/29
Subject: Re: What is an OBES????

BaddM0J0 wrote:
> > So, somebody flag down the clue bus for me and tell me
> >what an OBES is.

> LOLOLOL! I think this may be yet another topic that shouldbe covered in
> theAlt.Tarot FAQ..

I don't think so---it's more fun to have people ask about it.

> lol (along with the earlier "where to get a deck online"
> suggestion)

The FAQ does suggest that people can take advantage of the facility
of online commercial resources for obtaining decks and books.

To include links to or specific mentions of these resources
may be taken by some (or even most) people to constitute an
endorsement of them. Of course I could provide a disclaimer,
but no one takes those seriously.

The FAQ is not an advertising circular (at least not yet).

(jk)


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BaddM0J0  
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 More options Oct 30 1998, 3:00 am
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From: baddm...@aol.com (BaddM0J0)
Date: 1998/10/30
Subject: Re: What is an OBES????

>> > So, somebody flag down the clue bus for me and tell me
>> >what an OBES is.

>> lol (along with the earlier "where to get a deck online"
>> suggestion)

>The FAQ does suggest that people can take advantage of the facility
>of online commercial resources for obtaining decks and books.

>To include links to or specific mentions of these resources
>may be taken by some (or even most) people to constitute an
>endorsement of them. Of course I could provide a disclaimer,
>but no one takes those seriously.

Hmmm.....That's a good point . Plus, there is always someone quick with an
answer to that question anyhow....

*MoJo*


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howard  
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 More options Oct 30 1998, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.tarot
From: howard <h...@coventry.ac.uk>
Date: 1998/10/30
Subject: Re: What is an OBES????

On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, J. Karlin wrote:
> aradia wrote:

> > Okay, I have to admit it --- in all the newsgroups I've read, I've never
> > seen "OBES" anywhere. So, somebody flag down the clue bus for me and tell me
> > what an OBES is.

> (O)bligatory (B)rave (E)xit (S)peech---

<grin>

I honestly thought it was an acronym for (O)ne (B)orn (E)very (S)econd

Ah well, I guess the OBES and the OBES are not entirely irreconcilable.

howard


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J. Karlin  
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 More options Oct 30 1998, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.tarot
From: "J. Karlin" <r3win...@texas.net>
Date: 1998/10/30
Subject: Re: What is an OBES????

Kudzu wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:01:55 -0500, "J. Karlin" <r3win...@texas.net>
> wrote:

> >The FAQ is not an advertising circular (at least not yet).

> *wince*

> It's an advertisement for your ego, if anything at all!

As are your postings for yours.

However, I think anyone looking for actual ontopic content
with respect to tarot would probably find your ego-offerings
a bit spare.

Once again, when you are prepared to discuss in detail your
dislike of the alt.tarot FAQ, which FAQ is located at:

http://lonestar.texas.net/~r3winter/tarotfaq.html

---I'll be here (and so will everyone else).

(jk)


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Discussion subject changed to "To all Tarot Reader." by Matt Anthony
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 More options Oct 30 1998, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.tarot
From: mattanth...@webtv.net (Matt Anthony)
Date: 1998/10/30
Subject: Re: To all Tarot Reader.
I have a prediction re internet:  historians will look back and say that
it was a conduit of human negativity.

Sue, you make a positive comment and most are out to "get" you n their
responses.

You weild the sword of Karma, for they disdain the sword of Christ, the
golden rule.

But I am right in that you needed to weild a sword at all.

The net is destined to destruct humanity:  nothing good will come of it.


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Gary Achenbach  
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 More options Oct 31 1998, 3:00 am
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From: dras...@abstracttoreply.anet-stl.com (Gary Achenbach)
Date: 1998/10/31
Subject: Re: To all Tarot Reader.
In article <28925-363AB4D9...@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
mattanth...@webtv.net says...

> I have a prediction re internet:  historians will look back and say that
> it was a conduit of human negativity.

It's a conduit of free speech.  That scares the shit out of a lot of
people.

> The net is destined to destruct humanity:  nothing good will come of it.

This sounds like a very negative statement.

--Gar


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Discussion subject changed to "What is a Kudzu?" by J. Karlin
J. Karlin  
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 More options Oct 31 1998, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.tarot
From: "J. Karlin" <r3win...@texas.net>
Date: 1998/10/31
Subject: Re: What is a Kudzu?

'we' who? And when and where was this?

You've been challenged on numerous occasions by a number of
posters here to provide substantive arguments about why you
don't like the alt.tarot FAQ and why you claimed it needed
to be 'replaced'. You ignored these challenges, and you've
refused to discuss with me what you don't like about the
FAQ.

So here, I'll offer one more time: detail your specific dislikes
of the FAQ, and why you think it should be replaced, and post
them here for all of us to see and discuss.

> and all you seem to be able to
> do is start foaming at the mouth and scream about how
> wrong we are.....

It is possible (and some might say, highly likely) that you are
wrong about your understandings of things.

If you're afraid to voice your opinion because you're afraid
others will disagree with it, then your opinion will never
carry any force with anyone other than yourself.

>"Gee.  Why is _everybody_ in this newsgroup
> and idiot but me?  Rant!  Rant!"

While I'm sure you are an idiot, that's not the point here.

I'm offering you, and have offered you, an opportunity to
specify your complaints---here on the group---where we can
all read them and reply to them.

Why do you refuse?

Clearly, if I'm so obviously wrong, and your complaints carry
such obviously compelling insights, you should have no problem
convincing the group that the FAQ should be replaced.

Why do you refuse this opportunity?

> I liked you better when you were Simon, jk!

Not surprising, your likes and dislikes seem to be
entirely based upon your delusions.

(jk)


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Discussion subject changed to "To all Tarot Reader." by J. Karlin
J. Karlin  
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 More options Oct 31 1998, 3:00 am
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From: "J. Karlin" <r3win...@texas.net>
Date: 1998/10/31
Subject: Re: To all Tarot Reader.

Matt Anthony wrote:

> I have a prediction re internet:  historians will look back and say that
> it was a conduit of human negativity.

Well then it sounds like they should be fired before they are hired.

(jk)


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Discussion subject changed to "What is an OBES????" by robin
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 More options Oct 31 1998, 3:00 am
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From: robin <ro...@swlink.net>
Date: 1998/10/31
Subject: Re: What is an OBES????

Kudzu wrote:

> We already have and all you seem to be able to
> do is start foaming at the mouth and scream about how
> wrong we are....."Gee.  Why is _everybody_ in this newsgroup
> an idiot but me?  Rant!  Rant!"

> I liked you better when you were Simon, jk!

This is like those puzzles in the newspapers...can you find the
differences in these two pictures?

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