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Michael Rhodes  
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From: michaellawrence.rho...@btinternet.com (Michael Rhodes)
Date: 6 Nov 2001 17:34:42 -0800
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Subject: Deaths, November, 2001.
Katharine Anne Frankland, whose death notice appeared in the Daily
Telegraph, 6 November, 2001, was born Katharine Anne Chevenix-Trench,
in 1912, a daughter of Colonel Lawrence Chevenix-Trench, CMG, DSO,
(1883-1958), of the Barons Ashtown.

She married 1stly, 1932, Lt-Col George William Frederick Leicester, of
the Cheshire Regiment, who died in 1944, (scion of the Leicester
Baronets, and had he lived a few months longer would have succeeded as
9th Baronet).

Katharine married 2ndly, 1945, Lt-Col Alec Frankland, OBE, who died in
1969, and left issue by both marriages. Her daughter from the first
union, Elizabeth Meriel Anne Leicester, b. 1935, is umn. The
Leiccester Baronetcy, an Irish one, cr. 1671, expired in 1968.


 
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 More options Nov 7 2001, 3:09 pm
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From: Louis Epstein <leps...@PUF.FCC.NET>
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 20:09:32 -0000
Local: Wed, Nov 7 2001 3:09 pm
Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.
Michael Rhodes <michaellawrence.rho...@btinternet.com> wrote:

: Katharine Anne Frankland, whose death notice appeared in the Daily
: Telegraph, 6 November, 2001, was born Katharine Anne Chevenix-Trench,
: in 1912, a daughter of Colonel Lawrence Chevenix-Trench, CMG, DSO,
: (1883-1958), of the Barons Ashtown.

: She married 1stly, 1932, Lt-Col George William Frederick Leicester, of
: the Cheshire Regiment, who died in 1944, (scion of the Leicester
: Baronets, and had he lived a few months longer would have succeeded as
: 9th Baronet).

: Katharine married 2ndly, 1945, Lt-Col Alec Frankland, OBE, who died in
: 1969, and left issue by both marriages. Her daughter from the first
: union, Elizabeth Meriel Anne Leicester, b. 1935, is umn. The
: Leiccester Baronetcy, an Irish one, cr. 1671, expired in 1968.

As a Frankland,was he kin to the Frankland Baronets who have
inherited the Barony of Zouche?

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.


 
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 More options Nov 8 2001, 6:26 am
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From: michaellawrence.rho...@btinternet.com (Michael Rhodes)
Date: 8 Nov 2001 03:26:32 -0800
Local: Thurs, Nov 8 2001 6:26 am
Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.
Louis Epstein <leps...@PUF.FCC.NET> wrote in message <news:tuj57s10c2mi94@corp.supernews.com>...

(..Snip)

> : Katharine married 2ndly, 1945, Lt-Col Alec Frankland, OBE, who died in
> : 1969, and left issue by both marriages. Her daughter from the first
> : union, Elizabeth Meriel Anne Leicester, b. 1935, is umn. The
> : Leiccester Baronetcy, an Irish one, cr. 1671, expired in 1968.

> As a Frankland,was he kin to the Frankland Baronets who have
> inherited the Barony of Zouche?

> -=-=-
> The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
> at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

I cannot find Alec Frankland in the Frankland Colls. in Burke's.

The chatelaine of the magnificent Palladian-style mansion, Henbury
Hall, near Macclesfield, Cheshire, Naomi de Ferranti, DL, died 5
November, 2001.

She was the second wife of Sebastian de Ferranti, millionaire former
head of the family electronics firm, and the couple were friends of
the Prince of Wales (Henbury being one of his favourite erections) and
Princess Margaret.

Indeed, once while staying with the de Ferrantis, the Princess was
taken to neighbouring Cholmondeley Castle where HRH mistook the thick
green duckweed on a small ornamental pond for grass, and fell in. The
Royal legs were quickly dried, but her good humour took longer to
return.

Henbury, one of the greatest houses to be built in the 20th century,
set in 1000 acres, is based on the Palladio's 16th century Villa
Rotunda in Vicenzo, northern Italy, and was built by the de Ferrantis
between 1984 and 1986.

Before marrying de Ferranti, in 1983, she was Naomi Angela Rae, wife
of Mr J.E.K. Rae. Her daughter Jennifer married in 1989 (later div),
as his second wife, the then Viscount Chelsea, later 8th Earl Cadogan.

Naomi's husband is a son of Sir Vincent de Ferranti. Pioneers of
public electricity supply, the family fortune was founded by
Sebastian's grandfather, another Sebastian (1864-1930), who was only
11 when he produced a little electric arc light with the aid of a
bichromate battery; at 14 he was making a dynamo.

The de Ferrantis are one of those families who have frequently married
into the peerage, and connections include alliances with the
descendants of the Earls Temple of Stowe, the Earls of Eglinton &
Winton, and Earls of Crawford & Balcarres.

Mrs de Ferranti's funeral takes place on 12 November, at St James's
Church, Gawsworth, at 2p.m.

...Michael Rhodes.


 
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 More options Nov 11 2001, 8:16 pm
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From: michaellawrence.rho...@btinternet.com (Michael Rhodes)
Date: 11 Nov 2001 17:16:37 -0800
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Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.
Captain James William Prince-Smith, 13/18th Royal Hussars (Queen
Mary's Own), of Richmond, Surrey, and Morton Hall, Norwich, Norfolk,
only son and heir of Sir (William) Richard Prince-Smith, 4th Baronet,
and his first wife, the former Margaret Ann Carter, died suddenly, 7
November, 2001, aged 42. I think unmarried.

The 72-year-old Baronet has one surviving child, a daughter, and no
other male collateral to succeed to the title (cr. 1911).

The Baronet's niece -a Hattersley Smith -recently married Baron
McGowan's heir, the Hon Harry McGowan.

So extinction beckons for another Baronetcy.

Daphne Joan Ryder, who died 7 November, 2001, was the daughter of John
Greig, of Ascot, Berkshire, and widow of Major Ernle Terrick Dudley
Ryder (of the Earls of Harrowby), who was born in 1906 and was killed
off Sumatra in 1942.
She was mother of 2 daughters, Elizabeth Vernon & Anthea Brown.

...Michael Rhodes.


 
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 More options Nov 14 2001, 9:41 pm
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From: michaellawrence.rho...@btinternet.com (Michael Rhodes)
Date: 14 Nov 2001 18:41:56 -0800
Local: Wed, Nov 14 2001 9:41 pm
Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.
Barbara Charlotte, the Dowager Lady Bannerman, who died 7 November,
2001, aged 91, was the daughter of Lt-Col Alec Cameron, OBE, IMS, and
married in 1932, Lt-Col Sir Donald Arthur Gordon Bannerman, 13th
Baronet, who died 16 September, 1989.

She was the mother of two sons, Sir Patrick Bannerman, 14th Baronet,
who enjoyed the title for a matter of weeks, dying 21 November, 1989;
and Sir David Bannerman, OBE, 15th Baronet, who is father of four
daughters. Scanning Debrett's for sight of the heir pres. I can see
none.

Who's Who does not say 'Heir: none', and I cannot see details of the
Letters Patent in Burke's. Is this one of those baronetcies that could
pass to a female?

++++++++++++++

Vera Margaret Newson-Smith, who died 12 November, 2001, aged 83, was
the first wife of the late Sir John Kenneth Newson-Smith, 2nd Baronet,
who died in 1997.

She was Vera Margaret, daughter of Dr Wilfred Greenhouse Altt, CVO,
CBE, and married Sir John in 1945.

The baronetcy had been created for her father-in-law, Sir Frank
(Edwin), Lord Mayor of London, 1943-44.

Her husband succeeded to the baronetcy in 1971, but they were divorced
in the same year. Did she get to be Lady Newson-Smith?

She leaves issue, a son Sir Peter, 3rd Baronet, and two daughters,
Susan and Jane.


 
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 More options Nov 15 2001, 4:31 am
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From: michaellawrence.rho...@btinternet.com (Michael Rhodes)
Date: 15 Nov 2001 01:31:48 -0800
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Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.
Lady Vassar-Smith, who died 9 November, 2001, aged 91, was the widow
of Sir Richard Rathbone-Vassar-Smith, 3rd Baronet, who died in 1995.

She was Dawn Mary, daughter of Sir Raymond Whybrow Woods, CBE,
Solicitor to the Post Office, (who d. 1943), and the former Maud
Collins, and married Sir Richard, nephew of the 2nd Baronet, in 1932.
He inherited the baronetcy a decade later.

She was the mother of Sir John Vassar-Smith, 4th Baronet, (b.1936),
and a daughter, Juliet, (b. 1941).

...Michael Rhodes.


 
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 More options Nov 15 2001, 12:05 pm
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From: michaellawrence.rho...@btinternet.com (Michael Rhodes)
Date: 15 Nov 2001 09:05:19 -0800
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Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.
Pauline Alison Baring, who died 3 November, 2001, was the second wife,
from 1950, of Edward Thomas (Neddy) Baring, (1903-80), cousin of the
Baron Northbrook. She was the daughter of Frank Fawcett Copland, of
Sydney, and former wife of Timothy Walter Boden.

Pamela Nancy Uniacke, (nee Flint), who died 1 November, 2001, was the
widow of Richard Uniacke, and daughter of Major Eric Charles Montagu
Flint, DSO, of Hembury Castle, near Torrington, Devon (of the Landed
Gentry Family).

She had two brothers, John & Ted, and a sister, Elizabeth, who married
(i)Capt Peter Foljambe, who was killed in action in 1944, leaving a
son, Edward, now 5th Earl of Liverpool, and (ii) Major Andrew Gibbs,
MBE, TD, of the Barons Aldenham & Hunsdon.

Mrs Uniacke leaves a step-son, Anthony. I have no L.G. of Ireland, but
the Uniacke family certainly features therein.


 
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 More options Nov 16 2001, 4:19 am
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From: michaellawrence.rho...@btinternet.com (Michael Rhodes)
Date: 16 Nov 2001 01:19:27 -0800
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Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.
Helen Dalrymple, who died at Ayr, Scotland, 13 November, 2001, aged
71, was the second wife of the Hon Hew North Dalrymple, second son of
the 12th Earl of Stair, KT, DSO, DL.

She was Miss Helen M.W. Phillips, and married Mr Dalrymple, at Ayr, 20
January, 1983.

Her husband, born 27 April, 1910, had married firstly, 20 June, 1938,
Mildred Helen, former wife of the 4th Baron Oranmore & Browne, and
daughter of the Hon Thomas Henry Frederick Egerton, of the Earls of
Ellesmere. Mildred died in 1980.

Mrs Dalrymple has a step-son Robert, (b. 1946), a godson of Princess
Alice, Duchess of Gloucester.

The funeral service takes place at Ballantrae, Ayrshire, 16 November,
at 12 noon.


 
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 More options Nov 16 2001, 3:20 pm
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From: "Selwyn Zwick" <new...@mystery.co.za>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:47:28 +0200
Local: Fri, Nov 16 2001 2:47 pm
Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.

"Michael Rhodes" <michaellawrence.rho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message >
> Pauline Alison Baring, who died 3 November, 2001, was the second wife,
> from 1950, of Edward Thomas (Neddy) Baring, (1903-80), cousin of the
> Baron Northbrook. She was the daughter of Frank Fawcett Copland, of
> Sydney, and former wife of Timothy Walter Boden.

The late Edward Thomas Baring's first wife was Virginia, daughter of "John
Barry Ryan of New York".
The Countess of Airlie was born Virginia Fortune, daughter of John Barry
Ryan of Newport of Rhode Island.
Are they related?

Selwyn Zwick


 
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Discussion subject changed to "Baring/Baron Northbrook (Was Deaths, November 2001)" by JG
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 More options Nov 17 2001, 12:23 pm
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Date: 17 Nov 2001 09:23:53 -0800
Local: Sat, Nov 17 2001 12:23 pm
Subject: Baring/Baron Northbrook (Was Deaths, November 2001)

"Selwyn Zwick" <new...@mystery.co.za> wrote in message <news:3bf56f47.0@news1.mweb.co.za>...
> "Michael Rhodes" <michaellawrence.rho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message >
> > Pauline Alison Baring, who died 3 November, 2001, was the second wife,
> > from 1950, of Edward Thomas (Neddy) Baring, (1903-80), cousin of the
> > Baron Northbrook. She was the daughter of Frank Fawcett Copland, of
> > Sydney, and former wife of Timothy Walter Boden.

> The late Edward Thomas Baring's first wife was Virginia, daughter of "John
> Barry Ryan of New York".
> The Countess of Airlie was born Virginia Fortune, daughter of John Barry
> Ryan of Newport of Rhode Island.
> Are they related?

How is Edward Thomas (Neddy)Baring a cousin of the Baron Northbrook? I
can't find him listed in Burke's.

 
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 More options Nov 17 2001, 12:27 pm
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Date: 17 Nov 2001 09:27:43 -0800
Local: Sat, Nov 17 2001 12:27 pm
Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.

"Selwyn Zwick" <new...@mystery.co.za> wrote in message <news:3bf56f47.0@news1.mweb.co.za>...
> "Michael Rhodes" <michaellawrence.rho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message >
> > Pauline Alison Baring, who died 3 November, 2001, was the second wife,
> > from 1950, of Edward Thomas (Neddy) Baring, (1903-80), cousin of the
> > Baron Northbrook. She was the daughter of Frank Fawcett Copland, of
> > Sydney, and former wife of Timothy Walter Boden.

> The late Edward Thomas Baring's first wife was Virginia, daughter of "John
> Barry Ryan of New York".
> The Countess of Airlie was born Virginia Fortune, daughter of John Barry
> Ryan of Newport of Rhode Island.
> Are they related?

> Selwyn Zwick

I would assume they are the same person as John Barry Ryan was from
both New York and Newport, Rhode Island. It isn't uncommon to be from
both places.

 
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Discussion subject changed to "Baring/Baron Northbrook (Was Deaths, November 2001)" by Michael Rhodes
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From: michaellawrence.rho...@btinternet.com (Michael Rhodes)
Date: 17 Nov 2001 16:02:58 -0800
Local: Sat, Nov 17 2001 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: Baring/Baron Northbrook (Was Deaths, November 2001)

jg...@digitalpassage.com (JG) wrote in message <news:d371f817.0111170923.6468f34@posting.google.com>...
> "Selwyn Zwick" <new...@mystery.co.za> wrote in message

(...Snip)

> How is Edward Thomas (Neddy)Baring a cousin of the Baron Northbrook? I
> can't find him listed in Burke's.

Second cousin three times removed. He is in Burke's 1970.

Sir Francis Baring (1740-1810)--->Henry Baring (1776-1848)-->Thomas
Baring (1839-1923)-->Edward Thomas (Neddy) Baring (1903-  )

Sir Francis Baring (1740-1810)-->Sir Thomas Baring, 2nd Bt
(1772-1848)-->1st Baron Northbrook (1796-1866)-->Hon Francis Baring
(1850-1915)-->4th Baron Northbrook (1882-1947)-->5th Baron Northbrook
(1915-1990)--->6th Baron Northbrook (1954-   )


 
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 More options Nov 17 2001, 8:18 pm
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From: Chris Pitt Lewis <ch...@cjpl.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:50:00 +0000
Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.
In article <8f00a961.0111141841.73c6a...@posting.google.com>, Michael
Rhodes <michaellawrence.rho...@btinternet.com> writes
>Barbara Charlotte, the Dowager Lady Bannerman, who died 7 November,
>2001, aged 91, was the daughter of Lt-Col Alec Cameron, OBE, IMS, and
>married in 1932, Lt-Col Sir Donald Arthur Gordon Bannerman, 13th
>Baronet, who died 16 September, 1989.

>She was the mother of two sons, Sir Patrick Bannerman, 14th Baronet,
>who enjoyed the title for a matter of weeks, dying 21 November, 1989;
>and Sir David Bannerman, OBE, 15th Baronet, who is father of four
>daughters. Scanning Debrett's for sight of the heir pres. I can see
>none.

>Who's Who does not say 'Heir: none', and I cannot see details of the
>Letters Patent in Burke's. Is this one of those baronetcies that could
>pass to a female?

The 1999 Burkes shows male descendants of a younger uncle of the 12th
baronet, not all of whose lines are brought down to the present day. The
heir will be somewhere amongst them.
--
Chris Pitt Lewis

 
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Date: 18 Nov 2001 07:46:53 -0800
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Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.

Or given the dates involved, The John Barry Ryan, father of The
Countess of Airlie could actually be John Barry Ryan, Jr. and be a
brother of Virginia who married Edward Thomas Baring.

 
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Date: 18 Nov 2001 12:03:06 -0800
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Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.
The 2nd Baron Lucas of Chilworth, died suddenly, 10 November, 2001,
aged 75.

The Lady Dorothy Heber Percy, (nee Lygon), who died at Oxford, 13
November, 2001, aged 89, was the youngest of the four daughters of the
7th Earl Beauchamp, KG, PC, KCMG, and the former Lady Lettice Mary
Elizabeth Grosvenor, sister of the 2nd Duke of Westminster.

She was a great friend of Evelyn Waugh, and the author based his
'Brideshead' on the Lygon family seat, Madresfield, Worcestershire. In
1985 she married, as his second wife, Robert Vernon Heber-Percy,
(1911-87), nicknamed 'Mad Boy', scion of the Dukes of Northumberland,
who had inherited Faringdon, the Oxfordshire estate of Lord Berners.
On the death of Heber-Percy, Faringdon passed to his only child, a
daughter, Victoria Gala Zinovieff.

Dorothy had three brothers:-

(i), William, the 8th and last Earl Beauchamp, (b. 3 July, 1903);

(ii), the Hon Hugh Lygon, (b. 2 Nov. 1904; d. suddenly whilst touring
Germany, 19 August, 1936, unm.);

(iii), the Hon Richard Lygon, (b. 25 December, 1916; d. 1970); who
married and left 2 daughters, including Rosalind, who succeeded to
Madresfield.

Her sisters, were:-

(i) Lady Lettice Lygon, (1906-73), who married 1930, (div. 1958), Sir
Richard Cotterell, 5th Baronet, and had issue, including, Sir John
Cotterell, 6th Bt.

(ii) Lady Sibell, (1907-82), who married 11 Feb. 1939, Michael Richard
Bernard Rowley, (of the Landed Gentry Family), who died 19 September,
1952.

(iii), Lady Mary Lygon, (1910-82), (who resumed her maiden name
1957),who married 1 June, 1939, (div. 1956), His Highness Prince
Vsevolode Joannovitch of Russia, son of Prince John Constantinovitch
of Russia and Princess Helen of Serbia.

Lady Dorothy's funeral takes place at Madresfield, near Malvern,
Monday 19 November, at 2.30 p.m.


 
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Date: 18 Nov 2001 13:02:35 -0800
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Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.
"Selwyn Zwick" <new...@mystery.co.za> wrote

> The late Edward Thomas Baring's first wife was
> Virginia, daughter of "John Barry Ryan of New York".
> The Countess of Airlie was born Virginia Fortune,
> daughter of John Barry Ryan of Newport of Rhode Island.
> Are they related?

Breathtaking Newport, with its magnificent Gilded Age cliffside
palaces, was once "home" to many prosperous New York families
during the summer months.

Steven Lavallee
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 More options Nov 18 2001, 4:21 pm
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Date: 18 Nov 2001 21:21:23 GMT
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Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.

Hradsc...@home.com (Steven Lavallee) wrote:

> Breathtaking Newport, with its magnificent Gilded Age cliffside
> palaces, was once "home" to many prosperous New York families
> during the summer months.

Still is.

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Date: 19 Nov 2001 15:05:06 -0800
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Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.
(Gary Holtzman) gholt...@bellatlantic.net wrote

> Hradsc...@home.com (Steven Lavallee) wrote:

> > Breathtaking Newport, with its magnificent Gilded Age cliffside
> > palaces, was once "home" to many prosperous New York families
> > during the summer months.

> Still is.

Not full-time for whole summers, as in the old days,
and certainly not so much in the Gilded Age palaces,
which for the most part are no longer private residences.
Nowadays "Newport society" consists mainly of full-time
"islanders."

Steven


 
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Subject: Those Lygon girls!

michaellawrence.rho...@btinternet.com (Michael Rhodes) wrote in message <news:8f00a961.0111181203.39fe7d05@posting.google.com>...
> The Lady Dorothy Heber Percy, (nee Lygon), who died at Oxford, 13
> November, 2001, aged 89, was the youngest of the four daughters of the
> 7th Earl Beauchamp, KG, PC, KCMG, and the former Lady Lettice Mary
> Elizabeth Grosvenor, sister of the 2nd Duke of Westminster.

> She was a great friend of Evelyn Waugh, and the author based his
> 'Brideshead' on the Lygon family seat, Madresfield, Worcestershire. In

Almost as interesting as the Mitfords, except that they were literary
inspirations rather than writers, and apparently not politically
minded (in the way that at least three of the Mitford sisters were).

I remember an interesting segment with Ladies Sibell and Dorothy in
ARISTOCRATS, where they talk about their rambunctious lifestyle in the
1920s.  After reading  a bio of Waugh, I see what they mean.

Unfortunately, at least two of the sisters had less than happy lives -
Lady Lettice divorced or was divorced by her husband (a grandson of a
Duke of Richmond & Lennox);  Lady Mary was apparently an alcoholic,
per the Waugh bio.

And apparently all the sisters hated their eldest brother's wife.

Shinjinee


 
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From: frogandt...@webtv.net (Walter Kaufman)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:00:01 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.
And croquet players!

 
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Date: 20 Nov 2001 18:05:22 -0800
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Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.
Grania, Lady Lowther, who died 19 November, 2001, was the widow of
Lieut-Col Sir (William) Guy Lowther, 5th Baronet, OBE, DL, who died in
1982. She was born in 1919, as Grania Suzanne, daughter of Major
Archibald James Hamilton Douglas-Campbell, OBE, of Blythswood,
Renfrew, by his wife the Hon Anna Leonora Beatrice Butler-Massy,
daughter of the 5th Baron Clarina.
She married Sir Guy in 1939. Her son is Sir Charles Douglas Lowther,
6th Bart; and her only daughter, Grizelda, married Capt Timothy Bell,
Scots Guards.

Mrs Patricia Vereker, (nee Kastelian), who died 16 November, 2001, was
the widow of Prof Charles Henry Vereker, a kinsman of Viscount
Gort,whom she married in 1942, and was daughter of S.G.K. Kastelian,
MD. Her son, Julian Charles Prendergast Vereker, predeceased her, and
she is survived by two daughters.

Colonel Hubert Mortimer Allfrey, MC, TD, who died 14 November, 2001,
aged 90, was second son of Charles Moubray Allfrey, (1872-1943), of
the LG family, Allfrey of Wokefield Park. He married in 1935, Joan
Bullock-Marsham, (d. 1962),(of the Earls of Romney), and they had
three sons, Nigel, Bryan and Guy, and a daughter, Vanda. MC (1942), DL
(1958), he was Colonel, 97th (Kent Yeomanry) Field Brigade, Royal
Artillery.

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Date: 22 Nov 2001 18:55:10 -0800
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Colonel Sir John Charles Arthur Digby Lawson, 3rd Baronet, DSO, MC,
retired company chairman and Colonel of the Royal Hussars, died 19
November, 2001, aged 89. His first wife, Rose, from whom he was
divorced, was a scion of the Earls of Lucan, and his second wife was
Tresilla, daughter of Maj Eric Buller Leyborne Popham, MC, and former
wife of John Garland de Pret Roose. He succeeded to the Baronetcy on
the demise of his father, Sir Dibgy, in 1959, and is succeeded by his
only son (from the second marriage), Charles, (b. 1959), married to
Lady Caroline Lowther,daughter of the 7th Earl of Lonsdale.

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Date: 25 Nov 2001 16:24:51 -0800
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Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.
Mrs Jean Paul, (nee Cobbold), who died 20 November, 2001, aged 80, was
born 7 October, 1921, second daughter of John Murray Cobbold, of
Glemham Hall, Suffolk, and the former Lady Blanche Katharine
Cavendish, (1898-1987), and a granddaughter of the 9th Duke of
Devonshire, KG. She married, 3 November, 1951, Mr Roger Hewitt Paul,
and had issue: (i)Robert Ivan Hewitt, (b.1953, deceased); (ii) David
Victor Hewitt, (b. 1957); (i), Henrietta, (b. 1955), and (ii) Lavinia
Christine, (b. 1962). Mrs Paul, a cousin of the 1st Baron Cobbold, had
two brothers, John & Mark, and one sister, Pamela, who married
(i)Major William August Ludwig Vernon Alexander Hope Johnstone, and
(ii)Ambrose Cadogan, of the Earls Cadogan.

Mrs Hester Knight, who died 21 November, 2001, was one of the four
children of Arthur Thomas Loyd, OBE, DL, (1882-1944), Lord Lieutenant
of Berkshire, of Lockinge Manor, Berkshire, and the former Dorothy
Willert. She married 8 July, 1944, Major (Hubert) Guy Broughton
Knight, MC, son of Lt-Col F. Guy Knight, MC, (who d. 1956), and the
former Edith Broughton-Adderley. Mrs Knight is the mother of two
daughters, (i) Henrietta Catherine, (b. 1946), the racehorse trainer,
now Mrs Terry Biddlecombe (?); and (ii) Celia Elizabeth, (b. 11
October, 1949, who m. 1981, the 3rd Baron Vestey.

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Date: 27 Nov 2001 19:11:40 -0800
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Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.
James Anstruther (Jamie) Maxstone-Graham, 17th Laird of Cultoquhey,
died 22 November, 2001, aged 77. He was born 10 May, 1924, son of
Anthony James Oliphant Maxtone-Graham (d. 1971), of Cultoquhey, and
Joyce Anstruther, known as 'Jan Struther', (d.1953), author of *Mrs
Miniver*. He was educated at Eton and Gordonstoun. Married firstly,
1952, (div. 1972), Diana Evelyn, daughter of Thomas Lowe Magregor, of
Edinburgh, (two sons, Robert Olpihant, (b.1955), and Anthony James,
(b. 1958), and one daughter, Mary Alma, (b. 1953). He m. 2ndly, 1972,
(div. 1976) Diana Irene Pilcher. He served in the Scots Guards,
1942-7, was a freelance writer (mainly sporting subjects for American
magazines), and farmed in Perthshire, Scotland. He was also a dealer
in vintage fishing tackle.
He had three grandchildren, Alex, Lachie and Catriona.
His funeral takes place at Foulis Wester, at 2pm on Friday 30
November, 2001.

Margaret Hawthorne Forbes, (nee Lydell), who died 22 November, 2001,
aged 88, was the widow of Lieutenant-Colonel P.W. Forbes of Corse,
OBE, DL, of Alford, Aberdeen. She was one of three Lydall sisters from
Sussex to marry into Aberdeenshire families.

Michael Rollo Hoare, who died 25 November, 2001, aged 57, was managing
partner in the family bank, C. Hoare & Co., and a member of the Stock
Exchange, 1977-81.
He was born 8 March, 1944, son of Rollo Hoare, (d. 1983), and the
former Elizabeth Charrington, and was educated at Eton & New College,
Oxford. Married firstly, 1965, (divorced 1978), Penelope, daughter of
Sir Charles Mander, 3rd Baronet; (two daughters, Venetia, (b. 1965),
and Fiona (b.1969); married secondly, 1981, Caroline Jane Abele; one
son, Rollo, (b. 1987), and one daughter, Isabella, (b. 1985). The
funeral takes place at Dogmersfield, 12 noon, December 4.

Noel Henry Boys Forde, who has died aged 93, was a colonial policeman,
farmer, gold prospector, steeplechase jockey and big game hunter. He
was a son of Francis Charles Forde, of Hayward House, Seaview, Isle of
Wight, and married, 19 Novmber, 1946, Pamela Cathleen, widow of Capt
John Henry Elwes, (1906-40), of Elwes of Congham, and daughter of
Lt-Col John Chaytor Brinton, CVO, DSO.

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From: michaellawrence.rho...@btinternet.com (Michael Rhodes)
Date: 29 Nov 2001 17:03:21 -0800
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Subject: Re: Deaths, November, 2001.
The actress Rachel Gurney, whose death was reported in the Press, 29
November, 2001, was born Rachel Gurney Lubbock, 5 March, 1920,
daughter of Samuel Gurney Lubbock, (1873-1958), of the Barons Avebury.
The actress was probably best known for her portrayal as Lady Marjorie
Bellamy in the 70s television series *Upstairs Downstairs.* She
married in 1945, (marriage annulled 1950) Denys Gravenor Rhodes, elder
son of Maj Tahu Rhodes, Grenadier Guards, and the former Hon Helen
Plunket, eldest daughter of the 5th Baron Plunket.There was a daughter
of the marriage, Sharon Gurney Rhodes, (b. 1950), who married in 1970,
Simon Gough, son of the actor Michael Gough. Rachel's former husband
married secondly, 1950, the Hon Margaret Elphinstone, niece of Queen
Elizabeth The Queen Mother, and died in 1981, leaving further issue.

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