The Schaumburg-Lippe family has issued a statement that they take distance from the wedding between Prince Waldemar zu Schaumburg-Lippe and Dr. Gertraud-Antonia Wagner-Schöppl on 20 September 2008, and won't attend the wedding. The announcement, which was signed by almost all adult members of the family, says: "We attach value to the establishment, that the self-exaltation of the bridal couple, which is out of place and exaggerated, has nothing to do with our manners. We point out that we won't recognise or accept Mrs Dr. Wagner-Schöppl or her son, the adopted Mario-Max Schaumburg-Lippe, as members of our family.
> The Schaumburg-Lippe family has issued a statement that they take > distance from the wedding between Prince Waldemar zu Schaumburg-Lippe > and Dr. Gertraud-Antonia Wagner-Schöppl on 20 September 2008, and > won't attend the wedding. The announcement, which was signed by almost > all adult members of the family, says: "We attach value to the > establishment, that the self-exaltation of the bridal couple, which is > out of place and exaggerated, has nothing to do with our manners. We > point out that we won't recognise or accept Mrs Dr. Wagner-Schöppl or > her son, the adopted Mario-Max Schaumburg-Lippe, as members of our > family.
Some women seem not to give their maiden names? Is the reason they are (also) not bien née? Asahamed to give these names? An adoption is of course not enough! Enough legitimatus per matrimonium subsequens? The last eventuality may however not be the case! One could of course also ask who is this family?
> The Schaumburg-Lippe family has issued a statement that they take > distance from the wedding between Prince Waldemar zu Schaumburg-Lippe > and Dr. Gertraud-Antonia Wagner-Schöppl on 20 September 2008, and > won't attend the wedding. The announcement, which was signed by almost > all adult members of the family, says: "We attach value to the > establishment, that the self-exaltation of the bridal couple, which is > out of place and exaggerated, has nothing to do with our manners. We > point out that we won't recognise or accept Mrs Dr. Wagner-Schöppl or > her son, the adopted Mario-Max Schaumburg-Lippe, as members of our > family.
It seems odd to me that in the 21st Century a princely family would insist on an 'equal' marriage - if that is indeed what is represented. Most royal houses these days have no problem with marriage between two people who love each other which I would have thought to be the prime requirement.
If I were part of of a family that refused me after I decided to marry someone I loved, I think I would be grateful to be free of them.
What is it with some of these German families who have been unrecognised since 1918?
> > The Schaumburg-Lippe family has issued a statement that they take > > distance from the wedding between Prince Waldemar zu Schaumburg-Lippe > > and Dr. Gertraud-Antonia Wagner-Schöppl on 20 September 2008, and > > won't attend the wedding. The announcement, which was signed by almost > > all adult members of the family, says: "We attach value to the > > establishment, that the self-exaltation of the bridal couple, which is > > out of place and exaggerated, has nothing to do with our manners. We > > point out that we won't recognise or accept Mrs Dr. Wagner-Schöppl or > > her son, the adopted Mario-Max Schaumburg-Lippe, as members of our > > family.
> It seems odd to me that in the 21st Century a princely family would > insist on an 'equal' marriage - if that is indeed what is represented. > Most royal houses these days have no problem with marriage between two > people who love each other which I would have thought to be the prime > requirement.
> If I were part of of a family that refused me after I decided to marry > someone I loved, I think I would be grateful to be free of them.
> What is it with some of these German families who have been > unrecognised since 1918?
On Sep 26, 5:18 am, Donald4564 <dbi...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> It seems odd to me that in the 21st Century a princely family would > insist on an 'equal' marriage - if that is indeed what is represented.
No, it's more complicated than that. The bride's son, himself adopted by the elderly widow of a Schaumburg-Lippe prince, is angling to pass himself as a genuine member of the princely family. Now this socially ambitious guy will have a another Schaumburg-Lippe as a step-father. The main family wants nothing to do with this pretentious fop.
> On Sep 26, 5:18 am, Donald4564 <dbi...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> > It seems odd to me that in the 21st Century a princely family would > > insist on an 'equal' marriage - if that is indeed what is represented.
> No, it's more complicated than that. The bride's son, himself adopted > by the elderly widow of a Schaumburg-Lippe prince, is angling to pass > himself as a genuine member of the princely family. Now this socially > ambitious guy will have a another Schaumburg-Lippe as a step-father. > The main family wants nothing to do with this pretentious fop.
Somebody is obviously looking for some substitute for legitimatio per matrimonium subsequens.
It may be solved by mother - marries a SCH.-L -, she and son then make a court suit, where the father accept indeed to be the father. Such it worked with the Bohemian Schlick, around 1910.
> > On Sep 26, 5:18 am, Donald4564 <dbi...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> > > It seems odd to me that in the 21st Century a princely family would > > > insist on an 'equal' marriage - if that is indeed what is represented.
> > No, it's more complicated than that. The bride's son, himself adopted > > by the elderly widow of a Schaumburg-Lippe prince, is angling to pass > > himself as a genuine member of the princely family. Now this socially > > ambitious guy will have a another Schaumburg-Lippe as a step-father. > > The main family wants nothing to do with this pretentious fop.
> Somebody is obviously looking for some substitute for legitimatio per > matrimonium subsequens.
> It may be solved by mother - marries a SCH.-L -, she and son then make > a court suit, where the father accept indeed to be the father. Such it > worked with the Bohemian > Schlick, around 1910.
Interesting. Can you tell us more about the Schlick history? Thanks!
> On Sep 26, 5:18 am, Donald4564 <dbi...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> > It seems odd to me that in the 21st Century a princely family would > > insist on an 'equal' marriage - if that is indeed what is represented.
> No, it's more complicated than that. The bride's son, himself adopted > by the elderly widow of a Schaumburg-Lippe prince, is angling to pass > himself as a genuine member of the princely family. Now this socially > ambitious guy will have a another Schaumburg-Lippe as a step-father. > The main family wants nothing to do with this pretentious fop.
Well it should be the bride's son that is ostracised not the wedding couple?
> > On Sep 26, 5:18 am, Donald4564 <dbi...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> > > It seems odd to me that in the 21st Century a princely family would > > > insist on an 'equal' marriage - if that is indeed what is represented.
> > No, it's more complicated than that. The bride's son, himself adopted > > by the elderly widow of a Schaumburg-Lippe prince, is angling to pass > > himself as a genuine member of the princely family. Now this socially > > ambitious guy will have a another Schaumburg-Lippe as a step-father. > > The main family wants nothing to do with this pretentious fop.
> Well it should be the bride's son that is ostracised not the wedding > couple?
> Regards > Donald Binks
Yeah but it would be difficult to separate the two, I am in agreement with the family re the son. If such a trend continues it will mean even less to be a member of a princely family than it is already.
> > > > It seems odd to me that in the 21st Century a princely family would > > > > insist on an 'equal' marriage - if that is indeed what is represented.
> > > No, it's more complicated than that. The bride's son, himself adopted > > > by the elderly widow of a Schaumburg-Lippe prince, is angling to pass > > > himself as a genuine member of the princely family. Now this socially > > > ambitious guy will have a another Schaumburg-Lippe as a step-father. > > > The main family wants nothing to do with this pretentious fop.
> > Somebody is obviously looking for some substitute for legitimatio per > > matrimonium subsequens.
> > It may be solved by mother - marries a SCH.-L -, she and son then make > > a court suit, where the father accept indeed to be the father. Such it > > worked with the Bohemian > > Schlick, around 1910.
> Interesting. Can you tell us more about the Schlick history? > Thanks!
One thinks that the Schlick story has been told here, on this forum!
