I read that Joseph Bonaparte, King of Spain in 1808, lived in Bordentown, NJ for 23 years. If I wanted to make a tour of the places where an ex-monarch had lived in America, what other towns could I include?
> I read that Joseph Bonaparte, King of Spain in 1808, > lived in Bordentown, NJ for 23 years. If I wanted to > make a tour of the places where an ex-monarch had lived > in America, what other towns could I include?
Louis-Philippe was in Boston for some time - If I remember correctly he lived upstairs in what is now the Union Oyster House, a decent seafood place. Of course, the Bounapartes had Baltimore connections. And Hawaii had its own monarchy - and the family remained on the Islands afterwards.
j...@radix.ignorethis.net wrote: > I read that Joseph Bonaparte, King of Spain in 1808, > lived in Bordentown, NJ for 23 years. If I wanted to > make a tour of the places where an ex-monarch had lived > in America, what other towns could I include?
Joseph Bonapart rented a house on south 5th Street in Philadelphia for two years. That was before he established himself at Bordentown.
And heirs of Agustin Iturbide of Mexico lived in Philadelphia and Georgetown.
> Louis-Philippe was in Boston for some time - If I remember correctly he > lived upstairs in what is now the Union Oyster House, a decent seafood > place.
Since the Union Oyster House opened in 1823 -- making it the longest continuously operated restaurant in the US -- if Louis-Phillipe lived upstairs after his exile it would've already been there.
(DECENT?! It's pretty damn good! Of course, as a native Bostonian I may be biased, but to me "decent" suggests mediocre.)
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, David L. Jaroslav wrote: > Stillwell Stephen wrote:
> > Louis-Philippe was in Boston for some time - If I remember correctly he > > lived upstairs in what is now the Union Oyster House, a decent seafood > > place.
> Since the Union Oyster House opened in 1823 -- making it the longest > continuously operated restaurant in the US -- if Louis-Phillipe lived > upstairs after his exile it would've already been there.
Actually I think it was during the his earlier exile during the Napoleonic era.
> (DECENT?! It's pretty damn good! Of course, as a native Bostonian I > may be biased, but to me "decent" suggests mediocre.)
I lived in Boston from 1980 until 1993 and had friends on the waitstaff there. The food is good - however it tends to be noisy and so loses points on ambiance IMHO -- of course, with Durgin Park as a Boston standard where one goes to be insulted by elderly waitresses, I guess noisy can be good ;-)
Stillwell Stephen <i...@jove.acs.unt.edu> wrote: >On 19 Jan 1999 j...@radix.ignorethis.net wrote: >> I read that Joseph Bonaparte, King of Spain in 1808, >> lived in Bordentown, NJ for 23 years. If I wanted to >> make a tour of the places where an ex-monarch had lived >> in America, what other towns could I include?
>Louis-Philippe was in Boston for some time - If I remember correctly he >lived upstairs in what is now the Union Oyster House, a decent seafood >place.
That would have been as a monarch-to-be, not an ex-monarch. Louis-Philippe left France for England in 1848 and died there in 1850. His grandson the comte de Paris was an aide-de-camp to General MacClellan during the US Civil War.
>Of course, the Bounapartes had Baltimore connections.
There again, the connection is with a monarch-to-be, Jerome Bonaparte, future king of Westfalia, who married Elizabeth Patterson in 1803 in Baltimore and had issue by her. I don't think he ever returned to the US after 1815 (although he did bump into his ex-wife somewhere in Florence, I think---a rather awkward moment).
>And Hawaii >had its own monarchy - and the family remained on the Islands afterwards.
In article <36a907c5.2298...@news.mcs.net>, ve...@mcs.nospam says...
>Stillwell Stephen <i...@jove.acs.unt.edu> wrote: >>On 19 Jan 1999 j...@radix.ignorethis.net wrote: >>> I read that Joseph Bonaparte, King of Spain in 1808, >>> lived in Bordentown, NJ for 23 years. If I wanted to >>> make a tour of the places where an ex-monarch had lived >>> in America, what other towns could I include?
One of the legacies of Joseph's stay in Bordentown was the sale of his staggering art collection (at least that part which was kep at this house there - other parts were stored, and later sold at Christies in London). The huge sale catalogue can be found in the Frick Art Reference Library and includes many paintings whose whereabouts today are still unknown. Every now and again a painting turns up - sometimes in small provincial auctions, sometimes brought to new York for sale; I bought a picture by laurent de la Hyre that had remained with the heirs of the purchaser at the sale and sold it to the Getty Museum in 1983, and have had a few other works from his collection. There aer certainly several major masterpieces lurking unrecognized on walls or in attics in the north-eastern US.
New York was the site of a notorious royal romance, when Prince Luigi of the Two Sicilies (1845-1909), married in 1869 without permission María Amelia Isabel Bellow Hamel y Penor, a cuban beauty, leading to his deprivation of royal rank and titles and receipt of a new name and title (Roccaguglielma). He was also in line of succession to the Brazilian throne, then still a Monarchy, and tremendous pressure was put on to prevent the marriage by the Emperor and by the recently deposed King Francis II.
j...@radix.ignorethis.net wrote: >I read that Joseph Bonaparte, King of Spain in 1808, >lived in Bordentown, NJ for 23 years. If I wanted to >make a tour of the places where an ex-monarch had lived >in America, what other towns could I include?
Come to think of it, Bordentown also hosted Lucien Murat, younger son of ex-king of Naples Gioacchino I. The older son Achille lived, married and died in Jefferson county, Florida.
Francois Velde wrote: >There again, the connection is with a monarch-to-be, Jerome Bonaparte, future >king of Westfalia, who married Elizabeth Patterson in 1803 in Baltimore and >had issue by her.
And was't the Westphalia throne Napoleon's carrot-and-stick-approach to get Jerome to come back to France? I didn't think he was already "heir to the Westphalian throne" when he married Betsy.
~Anne
"My friends have always given me that supreme proof of devotion: a spontaneous aversion to the man I loved." Colette
>>There again, the connection is with a monarch-to-be, Jerome Bonaparte, future >>king of Westfalia, who married Elizabeth Patterson in 1803 in Baltimore and >>had issue by her.
>And was't the Westphalia throne Napoleon's carrot-and-stick-approach to get >Jerome to come back to France?
Not explicitly. The throne didn't exist yet in 1805, and Napoleon had not yet dismantled the Holy Roman Empire. In fact, when Jerome married Napoleon was still Bonaparte. The carrot-and-stick approach was very basic: if you don't come back and forget about that woman, you'll never set foot in France again. If you do come back, I'll take care of you like I take care of my family.
>I didn't think he was already "heir to the >Westphalian throne" when he married Betsy.
j...@radix.ignorethis.net wrote in message <782et1$43...@news1.Radix.Net>... >I read that Joseph Bonaparte, King of Spain in 1808, >lived in Bordentown, NJ for 23 years. If I wanted to >make a tour of the places where an ex-monarch had lived >in America, what other towns could I include?
He also lived in Philadelphia for a time. The small side street he lived on is now known a Bonaparte Place.
Tallyrand also lived in Philadelphia for a while in the 1790s on First St., which is known as Front Street today.
