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Jason
Apr 30, 2012, 5:38:23 PM4/30/12
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In article <dfritzin-7ADB87...@news.eternal-september.org>,
David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <Jason-30041...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article <dfritzin-60650C...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-30041...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article
> > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > harry k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > >
<e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > >
> > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:25=3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=
> > > > > tche=3D
> > > > > > > ll
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > > > > > > >
> > >news:Jason-26041...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=
> > > > > :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=
> > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=
> > > > > m:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are documented as
> > history or l=
> > > > > egen=3D
> > > > > > > d in
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> =3D3DA0 =3D3DA0 =3D3DA0And those legends mean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people believe
but that
> > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe it are
correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the legends mean that a global flood once
> > happened =
> > > > > on t=3D
> > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > =3D3DA0 =3D3DA0So a popular belief is true just because
> > it is p=
> > > > > opular.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > =3D3DA0 =3D3DA0Does that mean the world was once flat,
> > just bec=
> > > > > ause
> > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > No. I have seen pictures of the earth that were taken from
> > outer =
> > > > > spac=3D
> > > > > > > e an=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is not flat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other evidence
> > jsut as fi=
> > > > > rm
> > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen. =3DA0Evidence you can
> > look up =
> > > > > and se=3D
> > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of creationist BS sites.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Harry K
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked like 2349 to
> > 2348 BC=
> > > > > .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee =A0canopy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Harry K
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the Noah's Flood
> > water cam=
> > > > > e from.
> > > > >
> > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or 'fountains of the
> > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> > > > >
> > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. Such as the explanation
> > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light on earth
> > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> > > > >
> > > > > Harry K
> > > >
> > > > Life in those days was like being outside in the day time during a major
> > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick clouds but it's
> > > > not DARK outside.
> > >
> > > You can make this assertion from now until the day you die, but it won't
> > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact is that if
> > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with enough water
> > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That is a fact.
> >
> > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH guessing.
>
> No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physically
> impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of
> evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biological
> evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could be dated to
> the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah's flood
> is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >
> > We also don't know if the oceans contained MORE water than the oceans
> > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the world was covered
> > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would not have had to
> > be very thick.
>
> Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is no
> way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlight
> come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the earth
> under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there is
> nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding water
> would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water to
> cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
We have discussed that issue before.
David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <Jason-30041...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article <dfritzin-60650C...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-30041...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article
> > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > harry k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > >
<e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > >
> > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:25=3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=
> > > > > tche=3D
> > > > > > > ll
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > > > > > > >
> > >news:Jason-26041...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=
> > > > > :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=
> > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=
> > > > > m:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are documented as
> > history or l=
> > > > > egen=3D
> > > > > > > d in
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> =3D3DA0 =3D3DA0 =3D3DA0And those legends mean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people believe
but that
> > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe it are
correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the legends mean that a global flood once
> > happened =
> > > > > on t=3D
> > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > =3D3DA0 =3D3DA0So a popular belief is true just because
> > it is p=
> > > > > opular.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > =3D3DA0 =3D3DA0Does that mean the world was once flat,
> > just bec=
> > > > > ause
> > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > No. I have seen pictures of the earth that were taken from
> > outer =
> > > > > spac=3D
> > > > > > > e an=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is not flat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other evidence
> > jsut as fi=
> > > > > rm
> > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen. =3DA0Evidence you can
> > look up =
> > > > > and se=3D
> > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of creationist BS sites.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Harry K
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked like 2349 to
> > 2348 BC=
> > > > > .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee =A0canopy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Harry K
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the Noah's Flood
> > water cam=
> > > > > e from.
> > > > >
> > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or 'fountains of the
> > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> > > > >
> > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. Such as the explanation
> > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light on earth
> > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> > > > >
> > > > > Harry K
> > > >
> > > > Life in those days was like being outside in the day time during a major
> > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick clouds but it's
> > > > not DARK outside.
> > >
> > > You can make this assertion from now until the day you die, but it won't
> > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact is that if
> > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with enough water
> > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That is a fact.
> >
> > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH guessing.
>
> No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physically
> impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of
> evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biological
> evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could be dated to
> the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah's flood
> is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >
> > We also don't know if the oceans contained MORE water than the oceans
> > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the world was covered
> > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would not have had to
> > be very thick.
>
> Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is no
> way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlight
> come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the earth
> under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there is
> nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding water
> would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water to
> cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
We have discussed that issue before.
Tom McDonald
Apr 30, 2012, 5:36:37 PM4/30/12
to
lost. Big time. And brought discredit to your religion. You make Jesus
look like a fool.
David Fritzinger
Apr 30, 2012, 6:46:33 PM4/30/12
to
In article
<Jason-30041...@66-53-217-203.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Yes, we have, and you still don't get it. That is clear. Let me repeat
it for you: There is no place for the water to go. Do you understand
that? Just as there was no source for the water, since the daffy idea of
a canopy is, well, daffy beyond belief. That is why creationist
organizations like AIG don't use it anymore.
BTW, you haven't commented on what I wrote. Just saying "we discussed
this before" means nothing, since you clearly don't understand what is
being said.
<Jason-30041...@66-53-217-203.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
it for you: There is no place for the water to go. Do you understand
that? Just as there was no source for the water, since the daffy idea of
a canopy is, well, daffy beyond belief. That is why creationist
organizations like AIG don't use it anymore.
BTW, you haven't commented on what I wrote. Just saying "we discussed
this before" means nothing, since you clearly don't understand what is
being said.
Jason
Apr 30, 2012, 9:36:27 PM4/30/12
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In article <dfritzin-EFC2CD...@news.eternal-september.org>,
God is a miracle working God. It's possible that God used a miracle to
relocate the excess water to outer space or to another planet.
If there was NOT a canopy--God could have used a miracle to cause it to
rain for forty days and nights.
relocate the excess water to outer space or to another planet.
If there was NOT a canopy--God could have used a miracle to cause it to
rain for forty days and nights.
harry k
May 1, 2012, 12:09:54 AM5/1/12
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On Apr 30, 6:36 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-EFC2CD.18463330042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
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> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-3004121438240...@66-53-217-203.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article
> > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
God could also have supplied you with a brain bu the evidence says
otherwise.
Harry K
> In article <dfritzin-EFC2CD.18463330042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-3004121438240...@66-53-217-203.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article
> > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
otherwise.
Harry K
Wombat
May 1, 2012, 1:11:33 AM5/1/12
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On May 1, 3:36 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-EFC2CD.18463330042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
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> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-3004121438240...@66-53-217-203.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> In article <dfritzin-EFC2CD.18463330042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
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> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article
> > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In article
> <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
Floode and inserts evidence there never was a Floode. Why would you
worship such a deity?
Wombat
May 1, 2012, 1:08:59 AM5/1/12
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On Apr 30, 11:38 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
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> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
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> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article
> > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article
> > > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
the "issue" is still wide open.
David Fritzinger
May 1, 2012, 7:20:44 AM5/1/12
to
In article
<Jason-30041...@66-53-214-232.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
So, at least you admit it would take miracles for the flood to have
happened. Of course, that brings up another matter. Why did God lie
about it. Why did he hide all evidence of it occurring? Why did he allow
several civilizations to survive ye Floode when he clearly states in the
Bible that Noah and his wife and children and their wives were the only
survivors. Why is your god lying to you all the time?
<Jason-30041...@66-53-214-232.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
happened. Of course, that brings up another matter. Why did God lie
about it. Why did he hide all evidence of it occurring? Why did he allow
several civilizations to survive ye Floode when he clearly states in the
Bible that Noah and his wife and children and their wives were the only
survivors. Why is your god lying to you all the time?
Jason
May 1, 2012, 5:43:06 PM5/1/12
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Jason
May 1, 2012, 5:45:41 PM5/1/12
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In article
<ffbf152b-0786-48c9...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 11:38=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org=
> >
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.c=
> rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D
> > > > > > > tche=3D3D
> > > > > > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D
> > > > > > > egen=3D3D
> ce
> > > > happened =3D
> > > > > > > on t=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0So a popular belief is true just=
> because
> > > > it is p=3D
> > > > > > > opular.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0Does that mean the world was onc=
> e flat,
> > > > just bec=3D
> from
> > > > outer =3D
> > > > > > > spac=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is not fla=
> t.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other evidenc=
> e
> > > > jsut as fi=3D
> > > > > > > rm
> > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen. =3D3DA0Evidence yo=
> u can
> > > > look up =3D
> > > > > > > and se=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of creationist BS si=
> tes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked like 234=
> 9 to
> > > > 2348 BC=3D
> > > > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee =3DA0canop=
> y
> >
> > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the Noah's Flo=
> od
> > > > water cam=3D
> > > > > > > e from.
> >
> > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or 'fountains of =
> lanation
> > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light on eart=
> a major
> > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick clouds bu=
> won't
> > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact is that=
> if
> > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with enough =
> water
> > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That is a fact=
> vered
> > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would not have h=
and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water to
be placed on another planet.
<ffbf152b-0786-48c9...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 11:38=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >
> > > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org=
> >,
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.c=
> om>,
> > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:25=3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) w=
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D
> > > > > > > tche=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > ll
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > >news:Jason-26041...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=3D
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D
> > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > > m:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are documented as
> > > > history or l=3D
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are documented as
> > > > > > > egen=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > d in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0And those legends m=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> >
> ean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people believe
> > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe it are
> > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the legends mean that a global flood on=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people believe
> > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe it are
> > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> >
> ce
> > > > happened =3D
> > > > > > > on t=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0So a popular belief is true just=
> because
> > > > it is p=3D
> > > > > > > opular.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0Does that mean the world was onc=
> e flat,
> > > > just bec=3D
> > > > > > > ause
> > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > No. I have seen pictures of the earth that were taken=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> >
> from
> > > > outer =3D
> > > > > > > spac=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is not fla=
> t.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other evidenc=
> e
> > > > jsut as fi=3D
> > > > > > > rm
> > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen. =3D3DA0Evidence yo=
> u can
> > > > look up =3D
> > > > > > > and se=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of creationist BS si=
> tes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked like 234=
> 9 to
> > > > 2348 BC=3D
> > > > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee =3DA0canop=
> y
> >
> > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the Noah's Flo=
> od
> > > > water cam=3D
> > > > > > > e from.
> >
> > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or 'fountains of =
> the
> > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> >
> > > > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. =A0Such as the exp=
> > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> >
> lanation
> > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light on eart=
> h
> > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> >
> > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > Life in those days was like being outside in the day time during =
> > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> >
> > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> a major
> > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick clouds bu=
> t it's
> > > > > > not DARK outside.
> >
> > > > > You can make this assertion from now until the day you die, but it =
> > > > > > not DARK outside.
> >
> won't
> > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact is that=
> if
> > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with enough =
> water
> > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That is a fact=
> .
> >
> > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH guessing.
> >
> > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physically
> > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of
> > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biological
> > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could be dated to
> > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah's flood
> > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >
> > > > We also don't know if the oceans contained MORE water than the oceans
> > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the world was co=
> >
> > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH guessing.
> >
> > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physically
> > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of
> > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biological
> > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could be dated to
> > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah's flood
> > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >
> > > > We also don't know if the oceans contained MORE water than the oceans
> vered
> > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would not have h=
> ad to
> > > > be very thick.
> >
> > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is no
> > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlight
> > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the earth
> > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there is
> > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding water
> > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water to
> > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > We have discussed that issue before.
>
> Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> the "issue" is still wide open.
God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> > > > be very thick.
> >
> > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is no
> > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlight
> > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the earth
> > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there is
> > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding water
> > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water to
> > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > We have discussed that issue before.
>
> Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> the "issue" is still wide open.
and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water to
be placed on another planet.
David Fritzinger
May 1, 2012, 6:55:05 PM5/1/12
to
In article <Jason-01051...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and
out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any kind
of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived through
ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any kind
of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived through
ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
David Fritzinger
May 1, 2012, 6:56:36 PM5/1/12
to
In article <Jason-01051...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
If he did what you said, he certainly did. There is no, I repeat no
(zip, nada) evidence of any worldwide flood. Not to mention the several
civilizations that seemed to have lived through it without noticing they
were all dead.
In order for what you say to be true, God had to have lied.
(zip, nada) evidence of any worldwide flood. Not to mention the several
civilizations that seemed to have lived through it without noticing they
were all dead.
In order for what you say to be true, God had to have lied.
tirebiter
May 1, 2012, 8:55:18 PM5/1/12
to
On Apr 30, 5:38 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
>
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>
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> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
a thimble without spilling a drop? It is exactly what you are
claiming happened to the flood water.
---
a.a. #2273
tirebiter
May 1, 2012, 9:53:18 PM5/1/12
to
> <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
take a week and rebuild the whole universe?
---
a.a. #2273
>
>
>
>
> > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is no
> > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlight
> > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the earth
> > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there is
> > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding water
> > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water to
> > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
>
> > > We have discussed that issue before.
>
> > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > the "issue" is still wide open.
>
> God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water to
> be placed on another planet.
Then why spend a year just to flood this one tiny planet? Why not
>
>
>
> > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is no
> > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlight
> > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the earth
> > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there is
> > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding water
> > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water to
> > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
>
> > > We have discussed that issue before.
>
> > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > the "issue" is still wide open.
>
> God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water to
> be placed on another planet.
take a week and rebuild the whole universe?
---
a.a. #2273
linuxgal
May 1, 2012, 10:39:40 PM5/1/12
to
tirebiter wrote:
>
> Then why spend a year just to flood this one tiny planet? Why not
> take a week and rebuild the whole universe?
And what made God think World 2.0 would be an improvement over the first
>
> Then why spend a year just to flood this one tiny planet? Why not
> take a week and rebuild the whole universe?
revision?
harry k
May 1, 2012, 11:56:57 PM5/1/12
to
> <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
Since he would have "poofed" the water into existance, why would he
bother to move it to another planet? Ever hear of "logic"?
Harry K
bother to move it to another planet? Ever hear of "logic"?
Harry K
Elijahovah
May 2, 2012, 12:17:22 AM5/2/12
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> > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or 'fountains of the
> > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> > > > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. Such as the explanation
> > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light on earth
> > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.Harry K
> > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> > > > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. Such as the explanation
> > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light on earth
> Which you never answered. Did you try to pour a gallon of water into
> a thimble without spilling a drop? It is exactly what you are
> claiming happened to the flood water.
Youre the one claiming the water canopy had 6 miles of water in it to
> a thimble without spilling a drop? It is exactly what you are
> claiming happened to the flood water.
fall onto
Everest (the gallon) and then have no where to go in the ocean basins
(the thimble).
The canopy was only 40 feet thick by the time Adam was created. Rings
of orbiting water
like Saturn are not spheres. A sphere can not orbit in separate rings
of water. The sphere
for the first 6 days diminished by astral impacts which raised
continents and built them up
with light-density layers. Man cannot live under 3 atmospheres
pressure (42 pounds)
of 70 feet of water and 2 atmospheres of 40 feet of water (28 pounds)
is all that rained for
40 days at a half inch per hour steady globally. THE LAST OF THE
CANOPY
The only major rain during 1656 years of man, the one and only, was
the last of several
global rains and global Flood during the first 6 days before Adam.
The earth was not christened with this rain whose absence now allowed
rainbows,
but rather the astral impact sunk continents in a baptism because when
land surface sinks
a mile down and ocean floors rise a mile up, the earth is then a
global ocean until the
magma tsunami of the melted fractured mantle meltdown of the Mohoravic
Discontinuity layer
returns to rais up the land. As in water tsunamis, the molten return
is slower than the initial rushing flow
which took 5 months. The 15 cubits of 22 feet covered all the earth on
the very first day, what this means
is all the earth in sight from the ark in the coastal city of Surupak
vanished when the ark lifted with
15 cubits of water (and scripture says upward of, which means all the
water under the ark
besides the 15 cubits upon its sides)
The scripture then says the 15 cubits did not flow off the sides of
the 30 cubit ark
until it grounded where no mountains could be seen, yet when it lsid
off the peak
it was Ararat that the 15 cubits had been over, and in 74 days Little
Ararat also emerged.
All of this is reality, nothing written here by me can be claimed
impossible.
Most religious men embellish lies the same way most fake scientist as
evolutionists also
fabricate and lie and make up shit. It is not partial to bible or
evolution. People say what
they know nothing of. What ihave here is from weighing what they say,
and separating the shit
from truth which is Jehovah. BUT you men do not read it, you are so
wrapped up in spamming your
Lucy Factoid.
This Flood will happen again now soon. And its proof of how it happens
also promises
mountains will be above it this time. AND because striking the south
pacific will
lesson the north axis, just as Yucatan strike increased it pushing it
from Canada to its
location where the magnetic pole now rushes towards. So to the ocean
water of the south pacific
will supply the new water canopy of which you will argue when in fact
it is in all three states,
water drops on the bottom layered with ice crystals that evaporate
while water vapor gas rises
and freezes. The arctic circles are only 10 inches not 40 feet, and
within the arctic circles it is open
poled so that the temps do not rise to 400F. Your schools have always
pushed angular sun
for seasonal winds and ignored 3000 miles of polar darkness with 24
hour heat loss until
reversed to the opposite south pole. So what would you know of polar
holes in a canopy
if your whole world is stupid about polar generators of heat loss
pushing the solar heat
from Canada to Argentina and back to Canada.
Elijahovah
May 2, 2012, 12:24:37 AM5/2/12
to
you guys can ramble your mouth away, but the day comes where you are
rambling in Pompei,
rambling in Sodom. rambling as you watch the ark packed despite
earthquake and
atmospheric shock already experienced,
and you will busy yourself with saying this is a political issue not a
disaster when
the time comes that all of you are angry a warning of evacuation is
being given by
a damn church.
BUT like with Moses your Obama will die like Pharaoh did, his church
is like
Egyptian temples and pyramids that could not save him nor save any
nation
through the United Nations, nor save any people in america nor beyond
it.
And when his god claims thru some church to be with him, Obama will
find that
he is like people who stayed in Jerusalem saying the kingdom of God
could not
be destroyed, and saying it is promised to exist 1000 years, Babylon
cannot destory it,
and Rome cannot destroy it. But this time ALL survivors will say
Behold it was destroyed,
the church, the state, and only those with God have lived.
And others who sneak thru will be judged if they dont change fast.
Moses swore the whole nation in to be one kingdom of God.... every
person there.
So it will be with postArmageddon
rambling in Pompei,
rambling in Sodom. rambling as you watch the ark packed despite
earthquake and
atmospheric shock already experienced,
and you will busy yourself with saying this is a political issue not a
disaster when
the time comes that all of you are angry a warning of evacuation is
being given by
a damn church.
BUT like with Moses your Obama will die like Pharaoh did, his church
is like
Egyptian temples and pyramids that could not save him nor save any
nation
through the United Nations, nor save any people in america nor beyond
it.
And when his god claims thru some church to be with him, Obama will
find that
he is like people who stayed in Jerusalem saying the kingdom of God
could not
be destroyed, and saying it is promised to exist 1000 years, Babylon
cannot destory it,
and Rome cannot destroy it. But this time ALL survivors will say
Behold it was destroyed,
the church, the state, and only those with God have lived.
And others who sneak thru will be judged if they dont change fast.
Moses swore the whole nation in to be one kingdom of God.... every
person there.
So it will be with postArmageddon
Wombat
May 2, 2012, 12:39:32 AM5/2/12
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On May 1, 11:43 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
snip
Then why did he allow other civilisations to survive while hiding the
evidence and creating yet more evidence that shows a floode never
happened?
You have a very elastic view of lying.
snip
evidence and creating yet more evidence that shows a floode never
happened?
You have a very elastic view of lying.
Wombat
May 2, 2012, 12:41:12 AM5/2/12
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> > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is no
> > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlight
> > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the earth
> > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there is
> > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding water
> > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water to
> > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
>
> > > We have discussed that issue before.
>
> > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > the "issue" is still wide open.
>
> God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water to
> be placed on another planet.
So why did he create evidence that there was no floode. Sounds like
> > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is no
> > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlight
> > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the earth
> > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there is
> > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding water
> > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water to
> > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
>
> > > We have discussed that issue before.
>
> > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > the "issue" is still wide open.
>
> God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water to
> be placed on another planet.
the sort of thing Loki is known for.
Devils Advocaat
May 2, 2012, 12:41:47 AM5/2/12
to
On May 1, 10:43 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-2C1CAF.07204401052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > <Jason-3004121836270...@66-53-214-232.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-EFC2CD.18463330042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > <Jason-3004121438240...@66-53-217-203.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
If a catastrophic global flood had actually happened as recently as is
claimed by biblical literalist, then all previously existing cultures
and civilisation and religions would have been wiped out apart from
those that allegedly survived on the so-called Ark. There would be a
genetic bottle-neck at that point in all genomes, all languages could
be traced back to the Hebrew language, and there would be many more
clues and trails of evidence supporting this alleged catastrophic
global flood. But all such evidence doesn't exist, so to keep claiming
as you do that the flood was real is lying.
> In article <dfritzin-2C1CAF.07204401052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > <Jason-3004121836270...@66-53-214-232.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-EFC2CD.18463330042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > <Jason-3004121438240...@66-53-217-203.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
claimed by biblical literalist, then all previously existing cultures
and civilisation and religions would have been wiped out apart from
those that allegedly survived on the so-called Ark. There would be a
genetic bottle-neck at that point in all genomes, all languages could
be traced back to the Hebrew language, and there would be many more
clues and trails of evidence supporting this alleged catastrophic
global flood. But all such evidence doesn't exist, so to keep claiming
as you do that the flood was real is lying.
Jim Burns
May 2, 2012, 8:06:50 AM5/2/12
to
gruesomely destroyed children and parents and animals and plants
back to life and deleted their memories of Ye Flood.
All of them, both good and evil, otherwise, it would have gone
into the records over in Egypt this year's flood level, Joe-Ra
the Pedophile suddenly disappeared as well a bunch of other
folks we definitely don't miss, this years wheat harvest...
Why, you may ask would God tell us all about this humongous
punishment and neglect to mention that He un-punished everybody
afterward? That's a good question...
It's because...
God works in mysterious ways! Yes. Ha HAH.
See? It's all very simple.
harry k
May 2, 2012, 10:16:37 AM5/2/12
to
> <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
And why not save all the trouble of creating a flood, hiding all the
eveidence there of, then creating evidence proving there was no flood.
Even an incompetent god would have realized it would be far simpler to
just "poof" away the eveil doers and leave the righteous people
alone...even in the totally unlikely case that the entire worlkd
population minus 7 people were "evil".
Harry K
eveidence there of, then creating evidence proving there was no flood.
Even an incompetent god would have realized it would be far simpler to
just "poof" away the eveil doers and leave the righteous people
alone...even in the totally unlikely case that the entire worlkd
population minus 7 people were "evil".
Harry K
Jason
May 3, 2012, 12:41:43 AM5/3/12
to
In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8...@news.eternal-september.org>,
I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
about that subject.
about that subject.
Jason
May 3, 2012, 12:46:47 AM5/3/12
to
In article
<5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 2:45=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > > On Apr 30, 11:38=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org=
> >
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september=
> .org=3D
> >
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegrou=
> ps.c=3D
> rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > > > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.c=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:25=3D3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Ja=
> son) w=3D
> > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > tche=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D3D
> as
> > > > > > history or l=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > egen=3D3D3D
> legends m=3D
> > > ean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people beli=
> eve
> > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe it a=
> d on=3D
> > > ce
> > > > > > happened =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > on t=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0So a popular belief is t=
> rue just=3D
> > > =A0because
> > > > > > it is p=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > opular.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0Does that mean the world=
> was onc=3D
> > > e flat,
> > > > > > just bec=3D3D
> aken=3D
> > > =A0from
> > > > > > outer =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > spac=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is not=
> fla=3D
> > > t.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other evi=
> denc=3D
> > > e
> > > > > > jsut as fi=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > rm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen. =3D3D3DA0Evide=
> nce yo=3D
> > > u can
> > > > > > look up =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > and se=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of creationist B=
> S si=3D
> > > tes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked like=
> 234=3D
> > > 9 to
> > > > > > 2348 BC=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee =3D3DA=
> 0canop=3D
> > > y
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the Noah's=
> Flo=3D
> > > od
> > > > > > water cam=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > e from.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or 'fountains=
> of =3D
> he exp=3D
> > > lanation
> > > > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light on =
> eart=3D
> ing =3D
> > > a major
> > > > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick cloud=
> s bu=3D
> it =3D
> > > won't
> > > > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact is =
> that=3D
> > > =A0if
> > > > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with eno=
> ugh =3D
> > > water
> > > > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That is a =
> fact=3D
> > > .
> >
> > > > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH guessing=
> d to
> > > > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah's fl=
> eans
> > > > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the world wa=
> s co=3D
> > > vered
> > > > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would not ha=
> ve h=3D
> no
> > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlig=
> ht
> > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the eart=
> h
> > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there i=
> er
> > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water=
Noah's Flood to do it since it was God way of letting everyone know that
he was cleansing the world of evil people. The next time--God will use
FIRE to destroy the evil people that are in the world at that time. After
that fire is over, God will create a perfect world on this earth--read the
last two chapters of the Bible to find out the details of what that new
world will be like. Also, see John 3:16.
<5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 2:45=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org=
> >,
> >
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september=
> .org=3D
> > > >,
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegrou=
> ps.c=3D
> > > om>,
> > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) w=
> > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > > > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.c=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:25=3D3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Ja=
> son) w=3D
> > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > tche=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > ll
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > >news:Jason-26041...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=
> =3D3D
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > >news:Jason-26041...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=
> > > > > > > > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=
> =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=
> > > > > > > > > m:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are documented=
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World
> as
> > > > > > history or l=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > egen=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > d in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0And those=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> >
> legends m=3D
> > > ean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people beli=
> eve
> > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe it a=
> re
> > > > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the legends mean that a global floo=
> > > > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> >
> d on=3D
> > > ce
> > > > > > happened =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > on t=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0So a popular belief is t=
> rue just=3D
> > > =A0because
> > > > > > it is p=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > opular.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0Does that mean the world=
> was onc=3D
> > > e flat,
> > > > > > just bec=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > ause
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. I have seen pictures of the earth that were t=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> >
> aken=3D
> > > =A0from
> > > > > > outer =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > spac=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is not=
> fla=3D
> > > t.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other evi=
> denc=3D
> > > e
> > > > > > jsut as fi=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > rm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen. =3D3D3DA0Evide=
> nce yo=3D
> > > u can
> > > > > > look up =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > and se=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of creationist B=
> S si=3D
> > > tes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked like=
> 234=3D
> > > 9 to
> > > > > > 2348 BC=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee =3D3DA=
> 0canop=3D
> > > y
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the Noah's=
> Flo=3D
> > > od
> > > > > > water cam=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > e from.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or 'fountains=
> of =3D
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> >
> > > > > > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. =3DA0Such as t=
> > > > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> >
> he exp=3D
> > > lanation
> > > > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light on =
> eart=3D
> > > h
> > > > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > Life in those days was like being outside in the day time dur=
> > > > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> ing =3D
> > > a major
> > > > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick cloud=
> s bu=3D
> > > t it's
> > > > > > > > not DARK outside.
> >
> > > > > > > You can make this assertion from now until the day you die, but=
> > > > > > > > not DARK outside.
> >
> it =3D
> > > won't
> > > > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact is =
> that=3D
> > > =A0if
> > > > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with eno=
> ugh =3D
> > > water
> > > > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That is a =
> fact=3D
> > > .
> >
> > > > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH guessing=
> .
> >
> > > > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physically
> > > > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of
> > > > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biological
> > > > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could be date=
> >
> > > > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physically
> > > > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of
> > > > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biological
> d to
> > > > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah's fl=
> ood
> > > > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >
> > > > > > We also don't know if the oceans contained MORE water than the oc=
> > > > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >
> eans
> > > > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the world wa=
> s co=3D
> > > vered
> > > > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would not ha=
> ve h=3D
> > > ad to
> > > > > > be very thick.
> >
> > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is=
> > > > > > be very thick.
> >
> > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> no
> > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlig=
> ht
> > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the eart=
> h
> > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there i=
> s
> > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding wat=
> > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> er
> > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water=
> to
> > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water t=
> > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> o
> > be placed on another planet.
>
> And why not save all the trouble of creating a flood, hiding all the
> eveidence there of, then creating evidence proving there was no flood.
>
> Even an incompetent god would have realized it would be far simpler to
> just "poof" away the eveil doers and leave the righteous people
> alone...even in the totally unlikely case that the entire worlkd
> population minus 7 people were "evil".
>
> Harry K
God could have done it several different ways. One pastor claimed God used
> > be placed on another planet.
>
> And why not save all the trouble of creating a flood, hiding all the
> eveidence there of, then creating evidence proving there was no flood.
>
> Even an incompetent god would have realized it would be far simpler to
> just "poof" away the eveil doers and leave the righteous people
> alone...even in the totally unlikely case that the entire worlkd
> population minus 7 people were "evil".
>
> Harry K
Noah's Flood to do it since it was God way of letting everyone know that
he was cleansing the world of evil people. The next time--God will use
FIRE to destroy the evil people that are in the world at that time. After
that fire is over, God will create a perfect world on this earth--read the
last two chapters of the Bible to find out the details of what that new
world will be like. Also, see John 3:16.
Jason
May 3, 2012, 12:48:14 AM5/3/12
to
In article
<c020a1a2-2c06-490c...@e15g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On May 1, 11:45=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> snip
> >
> > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is=
> no
> > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlig=
> ht
> > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the eart=
> h
> > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there i=
> er
> > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water=
fossils that I have been found on Mount Everest.
<c020a1a2-2c06-490c...@e15g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On May 1, 11:45=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> snip
> >
> > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> no
> > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlig=
> ht
> > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the eart=
> h
> > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there i=
> s
> > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding wat=
> > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> er
> > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water=
> to
> > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water t=
> > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> o
> > be placed on another planet.
>
> So why did he create evidence that there was no floode. Sounds like
> the sort of thing Loki is known for.
The evidence is on this earth--such as the Grand Canyon and the ocean fish
> > be placed on another planet.
>
> So why did he create evidence that there was no floode. Sounds like
> the sort of thing Loki is known for.
fossils that I have been found on Mount Everest.
Jason
May 3, 2012, 12:49:50 AM5/3/12
to
In article
<c14de0b6-f9fe-4c6b...@qg3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 2:45=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > > On Apr 30, 11:38=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org=
> rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > > > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.c=
> > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > tche=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people beli=
> eve
> > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe it a=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is not=
> fla=3D
> > > t.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of creationist B=
> S si=3D
> > > tes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee =3D3DA=
> 0canop=3D
> > > y
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or 'fountains=
> of =3D
> > > > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light on =
> eart=3D
> ing =3D
> > > a major
> > > > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick cloud=
> s bu=3D
> it =3D
> > > won't
> > > > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact is =
> that=3D
> > > =A0if
> > > > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with eno=
> ugh =3D
> > > water
> > > > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That is a =
> fact=3D
> > > .
> >
> > > > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH guessing=
> d to
> > > > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah's fl=
> eans
> > > > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the world wa=
> s co=3D
> > > vered
> > > > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would not ha=
> ve h=3D
> no
> > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlig=
> ht
> > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the eart=
> h
> > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there i=
> er
> > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water=
<c14de0b6-f9fe-4c6b...@qg3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 2:45=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org=
> >,
> >
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september=
> .org=3D
> >
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september=
> .org=3D
> > > >,
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegrou=
> ps.c=3D
> >
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegrou=
> ps.c=3D
> > > om>,
> > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) w=
> > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > > > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.c=
> > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > tche=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > ll
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > >news:Jason-26041...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=
> =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D3D
> =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=
> =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=
> > > > > > > > > m:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are documented=
> as
> > > > > > history or l=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > egen=3D3D3D
> as
> > > > > > history or l=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > egen=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > d in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0And those=
> legends m=3D
> > > ean what,
> legends m=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people beli=
> eve
> > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe it a=
> re
> > > > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> >
> > > > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the legends mean that a global floo=
> d on=3D
> > > ce
> > > > > > happened =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > on t=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0So a popular belief is t=
> rue just=3D
> > > =A0because
> > > > > > it is p=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > opular.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0Does that mean the world=
> was onc=3D
> > > e flat,
> > > > > > just bec=3D3D
> d on=3D
> > > ce
> > > > > > happened =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > on t=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0So a popular belief is t=
> rue just=3D
> > > =A0because
> > > > > > it is p=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > opular.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0Does that mean the world=
> was onc=3D
> > > e flat,
> > > > > > just bec=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > ause
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. I have seen pictures of the earth that were t=
> aken=3D
> > > =A0from
> > > > > > outer =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > spac=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > d
> aken=3D
> > > =A0from
> > > > > > outer =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > spac=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is not=
> fla=3D
> > > t.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other evi=
> denc=3D
> > > e
> > > > > > jsut as fi=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > rm
> denc=3D
> > > e
> > > > > > jsut as fi=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen. =3D3D3DA0Evide=
> nce yo=3D
> > > u can
> > > > > > look up =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > and se=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > e
> nce yo=3D
> > > u can
> > > > > > look up =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > and se=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of creationist B=
> S si=3D
> > > tes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked like=
> 234=3D
> > > 9 to
> > > > > > 2348 BC=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > .
> 234=3D
> > > 9 to
> > > > > > 2348 BC=3D3D
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee =3D3DA=
> 0canop=3D
> > > y
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the Noah's=
> Flo=3D
> > > od
> > > > > > water cam=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > e from.
> Flo=3D
> > > od
> > > > > > water cam=3D3D
> >
> > > > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or 'fountains=
> of =3D
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> >
> > > > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> >
> > > > > > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. =3DA0Such as t=
> he exp=3D
> > > lanation
> he exp=3D
> > > > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light on =
> eart=3D
> > > h
> > > > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > Life in those days was like being outside in the day time dur=
> > > > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> ing =3D
> > > a major
> > > > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick cloud=
> s bu=3D
> > > t it's
> > > > > > > > not DARK outside.
> >
> > > > > > > You can make this assertion from now until the day you die, but=
> > > > > > > > not DARK outside.
> >
> it =3D
> > > won't
> > > > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact is =
> that=3D
> > > =A0if
> > > > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with eno=
> ugh =3D
> > > water
> > > > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That is a =
> fact=3D
> > > .
> >
> > > > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH guessing=
> .
> >
> > > > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physically
> > > > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of
> > > > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biological
> > > > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could be date=
> >
> > > > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physically
> > > > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of
> > > > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biological
> d to
> > > > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah's fl=
> ood
> > > > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >
> > > > > > We also don't know if the oceans contained MORE water than the oc=
> > > > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >
> eans
> > > > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the world wa=
> s co=3D
> > > vered
> > > > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would not ha=
> ve h=3D
> > > ad to
> > > > > > be very thick.
> >
> > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is=
> > > > > > be very thick.
> >
> > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> no
> > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlig=
> ht
> > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the eart=
> h
> > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there i=
> s
> > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding wat=
> > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> er
> > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water=
> to
> > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water t=
> > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> o
> > be placed on another planet.
>
> Since he would have "poofed" the water into existance, why would he
> bother to move it to another planet? Ever hear of "logic"?
>
> Harry K
I was guessing--perhaps God did make the water disappear.
> > be placed on another planet.
>
> Since he would have "poofed" the water into existance, why would he
> bother to move it to another planet? Ever hear of "logic"?
>
> Harry K
harry k
May 3, 2012, 12:47:25 AM5/3/12
to
> <c020a1a2-2c06-490c-be3f-f54d9f8a7...@e15g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
G.C. was not formed from a flood and there is tons, literally in the
rocks, to prove it.
The fossils on Everest are too old by millions of years to have had
anything to do with the flood;.
Try again and while you are at it, we are still waiting to find out
where all that water went and how there was no light on earth unntil
after your asinine flood.
Harry K
rocks, to prove it.
The fossils on Everest are too old by millions of years to have had
anything to do with the flood;.
Try again and while you are at it, we are still waiting to find out
where all that water went and how there was no light on earth unntil
after your asinine flood.
Harry K
Jason
May 3, 2012, 12:59:42 AM5/3/12
to
In article <dfritzin-D2699E...@news.eternal-september.org>,
I believe the Grand Canyon is evidence of Noah's Flood--but we have
already discussed that subject once before.
warning: subject change:
Several days ago, we discussed that God, Jesus, the angels, and the people
in heaven that have spirit bodies are able to see--so therefore must have
eyes.
I had never thought about that subject before. Several posters said they
must be like human eyes or the eyes on animals.
This website is about the remarkable eyes in the larva of the sunburst
diving beetle (Thermonectus marmoratus).
Current Biology 20 (16): 1482-1486, 24 August 2010. Univ. of Cincinnati
News. www.uc.edu, 23 August 2010.
already discussed that subject once before.
warning: subject change:
Several days ago, we discussed that God, Jesus, the angels, and the people
in heaven that have spirit bodies are able to see--so therefore must have
eyes.
I had never thought about that subject before. Several posters said they
must be like human eyes or the eyes on animals.
This website is about the remarkable eyes in the larva of the sunburst
diving beetle (Thermonectus marmoratus).
Current Biology 20 (16): 1482-1486, 24 August 2010. Univ. of Cincinnati
News. www.uc.edu, 23 August 2010.
harry k
May 3, 2012, 12:51:38 AM5/3/12
to
> <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, harry
OMG! ROFLMAO!!!. So he kills everybody and then explains to them
why? JAAYYYZUSSS!!!
The next time--God will use
> FIRE to destroy the evil people that are in the world at that time. After
> that fire is over, God will create a perfect world on this earth--read the
> last two chapters of the Bible to find out the details of what that new
> world will be like. Also, see John 3:16.
So why didn't he create that perfect world the first time. After all
he is
"all knowing' and therefore knew his first attempt would fail..;and
his second.
What, He is so incompetent he needs practice to get it right?
Harry K
why? JAAYYYZUSSS!!!
The next time--God will use
> FIRE to destroy the evil people that are in the world at that time. After
> that fire is over, God will create a perfect world on this earth--read the
> last two chapters of the Bible to find out the details of what that new
> world will be like. Also, see John 3:16.
he is
"all knowing' and therefore knew his first attempt would fail..;and
his second.
What, He is so incompetent he needs practice to get it right?
Harry K
Devils Advocaat
May 3, 2012, 1:38:38 AM5/3/12
to
On May 3, 5:41 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
the biblical flood account?
> In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
the biblical flood account?
harry k
May 3, 2012, 12:44:57 AM5/3/12
to
On May 2, 9:41 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
One only has to read genesis and then check the geological record to
know that he lied.
There is zero evidence a flood ever happened and lots of evidence one
didn't, e.g., those civilisations that flourished during that
period,
maintained continuous records, etc. and never mentioned that everybody
drowned.
Harry K.
> In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
know that he lied.
There is zero evidence a flood ever happened and lots of evidence one
didn't, e.g., those civilisations that flourished during that
period,
maintained continuous records, etc. and never mentioned that everybody
drowned.
Harry K.
Jason
May 3, 2012, 1:54:10 AM5/3/12
to
In article
<5892a762-1dfe-41be...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 3, 5:41=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september=
> > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.c=3D
> e:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > > > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.c=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jaso=
> > (Jason) w=3D
> > > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > tche=3D3D3D
> .com=3D3D
> :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.=
> co=3D3D
> nted as
> > > > > > > > history or l=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > egen=3D3D3D
> hose
> > legends m=3D
> > > > > ean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people =
> believe
> > > > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe =
> is
> > true just=3D
> orld
> > > > > e
> > > > > > > > jsut as fi=3D3D
> > > > > 9 to
> > > > > > > > 2348 BC=3D3D
> > > > > od
> > > > > > > > water cam=3D3D
> as
> > the exp=3D
> > > > > =A0if
> > > > > water
> > > > > > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That i=
> s
> > a fact=3D
> > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH gues=
> sing.
> >
> > > > > > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physic=
> e
> > oceans
> > > > > > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the worl=
> d
> > was co=3D
> > > > > vered
> > > > > > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would no=
> t
> > have h=3D
> he
> > > > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. Ther=
> e is no
> > > > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have su=
> nlight
> > > > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the =
> earth
> > > > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, the=
> re is
> > > > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. L=
> akes
> > > > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding=
> water
> > > > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough w=
> ater
> > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive wat=
Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global flood
did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any global
flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches related
to those other cultures that were mentioned.
<5892a762-1dfe-41be...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 3, 5:41=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Apr 30, 11:38=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september=
> .org>,
> >
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org=3D> > > >,
> >
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=
> >
> > > > > > > > > In article
> > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.c=3D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > om>,
> > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrot=
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > om>,
> > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> e:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > > > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.c=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jaso=
> n) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:25=3D3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > (Jason) w=3D
> > > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > tche=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ll
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > > > >news:Jason-26041...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pacwest=
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> .com=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote=
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > ,
> :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.=
> co=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > m:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are docume=
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World
> nted as
> > > > > > > > history or l=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > egen=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > d in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0And t=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> >
> hose
> > legends m=3D
> > > > > ean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people =
> believe
> > > > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe =
> it are
> > > > > > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the legends mean that a global
> > flood on=3D
> > > > > > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the legends mean that a global
> > > > > ce
> > > > > > > > happened =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > on t=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0So a popular belief =
> > > > > > > > happened =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > on t=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> >
> is
> > true just=3D
> > > > > =A0because
> > > > > > > > it is p=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > opular.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0Does that mean the w=
> > > > > > > > it is p=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > opular.
> >
> orld
> > was onc=3D
> > > > > e flat,
> > > > > > > > just bec=3D3D
> > > > > e flat,
> > > > > > > > just bec=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > ause
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. I have seen pictures of the earth that
> > were taken=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. I have seen pictures of the earth that
> > > > > =A0from
> > > > > > > > outer =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > spac=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > outer =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > spac=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is
> > not fla=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is
> > > > > t.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other
> > evidenc=3D
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other
> > > > > e
> > > > > > > > jsut as fi=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > rm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen.
> >
> > =3D3D3DA0Evidence yo=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > u can
> > > > > > > > look up =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > and se=3D3D3D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > u can
> > > > > > > > look up =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > and se=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of
> > creationist BS si=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of
> > > > > tes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked
> > like 234=3D
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked
> > > > > 9 to
> > > > > > > > 2348 BC=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee
> > =3D3DA0canop=3D
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee
> > > > > y
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the
> > Noah's Flo=3D
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the
> > > > > od
> > > > > > > > water cam=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > e from.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or
> > 'fountains of =3D
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. =3DA0Such =
> > > > > > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> >
> as
> > the exp=3D
> > > > > lanation
> > > > > > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light
> > on eart=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light
> > > > > h
> > > > > > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Life in those days was like being outside in the day time
> > during =3D
> > > > > > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Life in those days was like being outside in the day time
> > > > > a major
> > > > > > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick
> > clouds bu=3D
> > > > > > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick
> > > > > t it's
> > > > > > > > > > not DARK outside.
> >
> > > > > > > > > You can make this assertion from now until the day you die,
> > but it =3D
> > > > > > > > > > not DARK outside.
> >
> > > > > > > > > You can make this assertion from now until the day you die,
> > > > > won't
> > > > > > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact
> > is that=3D
> > > > > > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact
> > > > > =A0if
> > > > > > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with
> > enough =3D
> > > > > water
> > > > > > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That i=
> s
> > a fact=3D
> > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH gues=
> sing.
> >
> > > > > > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physic=
> ally
> > > > > > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of
> > > > > > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biologic=
> > > > > > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of
> al
> > > > > > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could be
> > dated to
> > > > > > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah'=
> > > > > > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could be
> > dated to
> s flood
> > > > > > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >
> > > > > > > > We also don't know if the oceans contained MORE water than th=
> > > > > > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >
> e
> > oceans
> > > > > > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the worl=
> d
> > was co=3D
> > > > > vered
> > > > > > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would no=
> t
> > have h=3D
> > > > > ad to
> > > > > > > > be very thick.
> >
> > > > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all t=
> > > > > > > > be very thick.
> >
> he
> > > > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. Ther=
> e is no
> > > > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have su=
> nlight
> > > > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the =
> earth
> > > > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, the=
> re is
> > > > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. L=
> akes
> > > > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding=
> water
> > > > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough w=
> ater to
> > > > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> > > > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers s=
> > > > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> o
> > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> > > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood w=
> > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> ater
> > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive wat=
> er to
> > > > be placed on another planet.
> >
> > > IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and
> > > out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any kind
> > > of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived through
> > > ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
> >
> > I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> > about that subject.
>
> Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
> without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
> the biblical flood account?
I don't know. I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> > > > be placed on another planet.
> >
> > > IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and
> > > out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any kind
> > > of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived through
> > > ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
> >
> > I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> > about that subject.
>
> Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
> without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
> the biblical flood account?
Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global flood
did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any global
flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches related
to those other cultures that were mentioned.
Jason
May 3, 2012, 1:58:30 AM5/3/12
to
In article
<6d8b31cb-72eb-47f3...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, harr=
> y
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september=
> > > > > > > =3D3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-septe=
> mber=3D
> > > .org=3D3D
> >,
> > > > > > > > > =3D3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.google=
> grou=3D
> > > ps.c=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wr=
> ote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > > > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.c=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3D3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Ja=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:25=3D3D3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.c=
> om (Ja=3D
> > > son) w=3D3D
> > > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > tche=3D3D3D3D
> .com=3D
> > > =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D3D3D
> >
> > > > > > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.=
> co=3D
> > > =3D3D3D
> nted=3D
> > > =A0as
> > > > > > > > history or l=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > egen=3D3D3D3D
> 0And those=3D
> > > =A0legends m=3D3D
> > > > > ean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people =
> beli=3D
> > > eve
> > > > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe =
> it a=3D
> floo=3D
> > > d on=3D3D
> > > > > ce
> > > > > > > > happened =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > on t=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3D3DA0So a popular bel=
> ief is t=3D
> > > rue just=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0because
> > > > > > > > it is p=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > opular.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3D3DA0Does that mean t=
> he world=3D
> > > =A0was onc=3D3D
> > > > > e flat,
> > > > > > > > just bec=3D3D3D
> re t=3D
> > > aken=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0from
> > > > > > > > outer =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > spac=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is=
> not=3D
> > > =A0fla=3D3D
> > > > > t.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other=
> evi=3D
> > > denc=3D3D
> > > > > e
> > > > > > > > jsut as fi=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > rm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen. =3D3D3D3DA=
> 0Evide=3D
> > > nce yo=3D3D
> > > > > u can
> > > > > > > > look up =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > and se=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of creationi=
> st B=3D
> > > S si=3D3D
> > > > > tes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked =
> like=3D
> > > =A0234=3D3D
> > > > > 9 to
> > > > > > > > 2348 BC=3D3D3D
> > > 0canop=3D3D
> > > > > y
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the No=
> ah's=3D
> > > =A0Flo=3D3D
> > > > > od
> > > > > > > > water cam=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > e from.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or 'fount=
> ains=3D
> > > =A0of =3D3D
> h as t=3D
> > > he exp=3D3D
> > > > > lanation
> > > > > > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light=
> on =3D
> > > eart=3D3D
> dur=3D
> > > ing =3D3D
> > > > > a major
> > > > > > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick c=
> loud=3D
> > > s bu=3D3D
> but=3D
> > > =A0it =3D3D
> > > > > won't
> > > > > > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact=
> is =3D
> > > that=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0if
> > > > > > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with=
> eno=3D
> > > ugh =3D3D
> > > > > water
> > > > > > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That i=
> s a =3D
> > > fact=3D3D
> > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH gues=
> sing=3D
> > > .
> >
> > > > > > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physic=
> al
> > > > > > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could be =
> date=3D
> > > d to
> > > > > > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah'=
> s fl=3D
> e oc=3D
> > > eans
> > > > > > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the worl=
> d wa=3D
> > > s co=3D3D
> > > > > vered
> > > > > > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would no=
> t ha=3D
> > > ve h=3D3D
> he
> > > > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. Ther=
> e is=3D
> > > =A0no
> > > > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have su=
> nlig=3D
> > > ht
> > > > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the =
> eart=3D
> > > h
> > > > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, the=
> re i=3D
> > > s
> > > > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. L=
> akes
> > > > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding=
> wat=3D
> > > er
> > > > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough w=
> ater=3D
> > > =A0to
> ater
> > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive wat=
> er t=3D
right and we failed both times. The third time--God will take over the
earth and will get it right. Read the last two chapters of the Bible for
the details. The third time is the charm.
<6d8b31cb-72eb-47f3...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, harr=
> y
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On May 1, 2:45=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > > > > On Apr 30, 11:38=3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september=
> .org=3D
> > > >,
> >
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > >,
> >
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > =3D3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-septe=
> mber=3D
> > > .org=3D3D
> > > > > >,
> > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=
> > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > In article
> >,
> > > > > > > > > =3D3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.google=
> grou=3D
> > > ps.c=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wr=
> ote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > > > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.c=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3D3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Ja=
> son) w=3D
> > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > > > > > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegrou=
> > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:25=3D3D3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.c=
> om (Ja=3D
> > > son) w=3D3D
> > > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > tche=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ll
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > > > >news:Jason-26041...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pacwest=
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> .com=3D
> > > =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote=
> :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote=
> :
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.=
> co=3D
> > > =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > m:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are docume=
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World
> nted=3D
> > > =A0as
> > > > > > > > history or l=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > egen=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > d in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3D3DA=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> >
> 0And those=3D
> > > =A0legends m=3D3D
> > > > > ean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people =
> beli=3D
> > > eve
> > > > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe =
> it a=3D
> > > re
> > > > > > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the legends mean that a global =
> > > > > > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> >
> floo=3D
> > > d on=3D3D
> > > > > ce
> > > > > > > > happened =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > on t=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3D3DA0So a popular bel=
> ief is t=3D
> > > rue just=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0because
> > > > > > > > it is p=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > opular.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3D3DA0Does that mean t=
> he world=3D
> > > =A0was onc=3D3D
> > > > > e flat,
> > > > > > > > just bec=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > ause
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. I have seen pictures of the earth that we=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> >
> re t=3D
> > > aken=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0from
> > > > > > > > outer =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > spac=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is=
> not=3D
> > > =A0fla=3D3D
> > > > > t.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other=
> evi=3D
> > > denc=3D3D
> > > > > e
> > > > > > > > jsut as fi=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > rm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen. =3D3D3D3DA=
> 0Evide=3D
> > > nce yo=3D3D
> > > > > u can
> > > > > > > > look up =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > and se=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of creationi=
> st B=3D
> > > S si=3D3D
> > > > > tes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked =
> like=3D
> > > =A0234=3D3D
> > > > > 9 to
> > > > > > > > 2348 BC=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee =
> =3D3D3DA=3D
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee =
> > > 0canop=3D3D
> > > > > y
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the No=
> ah's=3D
> > > =A0Flo=3D3D
> > > > > od
> > > > > > > > water cam=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > e from.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or 'fount=
> ains=3D
> > > =A0of =3D3D
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. =3D3DA0Suc=
> > > > > > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> >
> h as t=3D
> > > he exp=3D3D
> > > > > lanation
> > > > > > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light=
> on =3D
> > > eart=3D3D
> > > > > h
> > > > > > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Life in those days was like being outside in the day time=
> > > > > > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> dur=3D
> > > ing =3D3D
> > > > > a major
> > > > > > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick c=
> loud=3D
> > > s bu=3D3D
> > > > > t it's
> > > > > > > > > > not DARK outside.
> >
> > > > > > > > > You can make this assertion from now until the day you die,=
> > > > > > > > > > not DARK outside.
> >
> but=3D
> > > =A0it =3D3D
> > > > > won't
> > > > > > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact=
> is =3D
> > > that=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0if
> > > > > > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with=
> eno=3D
> > > ugh =3D3D
> > > > > water
> > > > > > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That i=
> s a =3D
> > > fact=3D3D
> > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH gues=
> sing=3D
> > > .
> >
> > > > > > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physic=
> ally
> > > > > > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of
> > > > > > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biologic=
> > > > > > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of
> al
> > > > > > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could be =
> date=3D
> > > d to
> > > > > > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah'=
> s fl=3D
> > > ood
> > > > > > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >
> > > > > > > > We also don't know if the oceans contained MORE water than th=
> > > > > > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >
> e oc=3D
> > > eans
> > > > > > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the worl=
> d wa=3D
> > > s co=3D3D
> > > > > vered
> > > > > > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would no=
> t ha=3D
> > > ve h=3D3D
> > > > > ad to
> > > > > > > > be very thick.
> >
> > > > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all t=
> > > > > > > > be very thick.
> >
> he
> > > > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. Ther=
> e is=3D
> > > =A0no
> > > > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have su=
> nlig=3D
> > > ht
> > > > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the =
> eart=3D
> > > h
> > > > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, the=
> re i=3D
> > > s
> > > > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. L=
> akes
> > > > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding=
> wat=3D
> > > er
> > > > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough w=
> ater=3D
> > > =A0to
> > > > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> > > > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers s=
> >
> > > > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> o
> > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> > > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood w=
> > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> ater
> > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive wat=
> er t=3D
> > > o
> > > > be placed on another planet.
> >
> > > And why not save all the trouble of creating a flood, hiding all the
> > > eveidence there of, then creating evidence proving there was no flood.
> >
> > > Even an incompetent god would have realized it would be far simpler to
> > > just "poof" away the eveil doers and leave the righteous people
> > > alone...even in the totally unlikely case that the entire worlkd
> > > population minus 7 people were "evil".
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > God could have done it several different ways. One pastor claimed God use=
> > > > be placed on another planet.
> >
> > > And why not save all the trouble of creating a flood, hiding all the
> > > eveidence there of, then creating evidence proving there was no flood.
> >
> > > Even an incompetent god would have realized it would be far simpler to
> > > just "poof" away the eveil doers and leave the righteous people
> > > alone...even in the totally unlikely case that the entire worlkd
> > > population minus 7 people were "evil".
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> d
> > Noah's Flood to do it since it was God way of letting everyone know that
> > he was cleansing the world of evil people.
>
> OMG! ROFLMAO!!!. So he kills everybody and then explains to them
> why? JAAYYYZUSSS!!!
>
> The next time--God will use
> > FIRE to destroy the evil people that are in the world at that time. After
> > that fire is over, God will create a perfect world on this earth--read th=
> > Noah's Flood to do it since it was God way of letting everyone know that
> > he was cleansing the world of evil people.
>
> OMG! ROFLMAO!!!. So he kills everybody and then explains to them
> why? JAAYYYZUSSS!!!
>
> The next time--God will use
> > FIRE to destroy the evil people that are in the world at that time. After
> e
> > last two chapters of the Bible to find out the details of what that new
> > world will be like. Also, see John 3:16.
>
> So why didn't he create that perfect world the first time. After all
> he is
> "all knowing' and therefore knew his first attempt would fail..;and
> his second.
>
> What, He is so incompetent he needs practice to get it right?
>
> Harry K
No--it's more complicated. God has given people two chances to get it
> > last two chapters of the Bible to find out the details of what that new
> > world will be like. Also, see John 3:16.
>
> So why didn't he create that perfect world the first time. After all
> he is
> "all knowing' and therefore knew his first attempt would fail..;and
> his second.
>
> What, He is so incompetent he needs practice to get it right?
>
> Harry K
right and we failed both times. The third time--God will take over the
earth and will get it right. Read the last two chapters of the Bible for
the details. The third time is the charm.
Devils Advocaat
May 3, 2012, 2:09:33 AM5/3/12
to
> <5892a762-1dfe-41be-9c4e-a478c43ac...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Really?
> I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global flood
> did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any global
> flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches related
> to those other cultures that were mentioned.
I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.
You've been told that several civilisations passed through the time
your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have from
them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
Your bible account also says the world was repopulated by just six of
those people.
Now try and think.
Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
What does that say to you about the biblical account?
It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
> I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global flood
> did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any global
> flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches related
> to those other cultures that were mentioned.
You've been told that several civilisations passed through the time
your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have from
them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
Your bible account also says the world was repopulated by just six of
those people.
Now try and think.
Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
What does that say to you about the biblical account?
It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
Jason
May 3, 2012, 2:27:29 AM5/3/12
to
In article
<e0958d5d-8319-475f...@q24g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > <5892a762-1dfe-41be-9c4e-a478c43ac...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Devil=
> s
> >
> > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On May 3, 5:41=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org=
> > > > > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.co=
> > > > > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.co=
> > > > > > > On Apr 30, 11:38=3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-septe=
> mber=3D
> .com=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason=
> ) wrot=3D
> > > e:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > > > > > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegrou=
> ps.c=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3D3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com=
> (Jaso=3D
> am.com
> > > > (Jason) w=3D3D
> > > > > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D=
> 3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tche=3D3D3D3D
> west=3D
> > > .com=3D3D3D
> rote=3D
> > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacw=
> est.=3D
> > > co=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > m:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the Worl=
> d
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are do=
> cume=3D
> > > nted as
> > > > > > > > > > history or l=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > egen=3D3D3D3D
> D3DA0And t=3D
> > > hose
> > > > legends m=3D3D
> > > > > > > ean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of peo=
> ple =3D
> > > believe
> > > > > > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that beli=
> eve =3D
> bal
> > > > flood on=3D3D
> belief =3D
> > > is
> > > > true just=3D3D
> an the w=3D
> > > orld
> t
> > > > were taken=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the worl=
> d is
> > > > not fla=3D3D
> > > > > > > t.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" o=
> ther
> > > > evidenc=3D3D
> > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > jsut as fi=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > tes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth loo=
> ked
> > > > like 234=3D3D
> > > > > > > 9 to
> > > > > > > > > > 2348 BC=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yee=
> e
> > > > =3D3D3DA0canop=3D3D
> > > > > > > y
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where th=
> e
> > > > Noah's Flo=3D3D
> > > > > > > od
> > > > > > > > > > water cam=3D3D3D
> 0Such =3D
> > > as
> > > > the exp=3D3D
> > > > > > > lanation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any l=
> ight
> > > > on eart=3D3D
> time
> > > > during =3D3D
> > > > > > > a major
> > > > > > > > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thi=
> ck
> > > > clouds bu=3D3D
> die,
> > > > but it =3D3D
> > > > > > > won't
> > > > > > > > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The =
> fact
> > > > is that=3D3D
> > > > > > > =3DA0if
> > > > > > > > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth =
> with
> > > > enough =3D3D
> > > > > > > water
> > > > > > > > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. Th=
> at i=3D
> > > s
> > > > a fact=3D3D
> > > > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH =
> gues=3D
> > > sing.
> >
> > > > > > > > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is ph=
> ysic=3D
> > > ally
> > > > > > > > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kind=
> s of
> > > > > > > > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biol=
> ogic=3D
> > > al
> > > > > > > > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could=
> be
> > > > dated to
> > > > > > > > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that N=
> oah'=3D
> n th=3D
> > > e
> > > > oceans
> > > > > > > > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the =
> worl=3D
> > > d
> > > > was co=3D3D
> > > > > > > vered
> > > > > > > > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy woul=
> d no=3D
> > > t
> > > > have h=3D3D
> ll t=3D
> > > he
> > > > > > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. =
> Ther=3D
> > > e is no
> > > > > > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still hav=
> e su=3D
> > > nlight
> > > > > > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of =
> the =3D
> > > earth
> > > > > > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise,=
> the=3D
> > > re is
> > > > > > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been ful=
> l. L=3D
> > > akes
> > > > > > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of hol=
> ding=3D
> > > =A0water
> > > > > > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enou=
> gh w=3D
> rs s=3D
> od w=3D
> > > ater
> > > > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive=
> wat=3D
> nd
> > > > > out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any k=
> ind
> > > > > of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived thr=
It's very simple--God is a miracle working God and could have used
miracles to make it happen.
<e0958d5d-8319-475f...@q24g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > <5892a762-1dfe-41be-9c4e-a478c43ac...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Devil=
> s
> >
> > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On May 3, 5:41=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org=
> > > > > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.co=
> > > > > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.co=
> > > > > > > On Apr 30, 11:38=3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-septe=
> mber=3D
> > > .org>,
> >
> > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=
> >
> > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > In article
> m>,
> > > > > > > > > =3D3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org=3D3D> > > =
> > > > > > > > > =3D3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> >,
> > > > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest=
> > > > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > In article
> .com=3D
> > > >,
> > > > > > > > > > > =3D3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.c=3D3=
> > > > > > > > > > > =3D3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason=
> ) wrot=3D
> > > e:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > > > > > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegrou=
> ps.c=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3D3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com=
> (Jaso=3D
> > > n) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:25=3D3D3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nosp=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> am.com
> > > > (Jason) w=3D3D
> > > > > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D=
> 3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tche=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ll
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >news:Jason-26041...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pac=
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> west=3D
> > > .com=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> w=
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,
> rote=3D
> > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacw=
> est.=3D
> > > co=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > m:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the Worl=
> d
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are do=
> cume=3D
> > > nted as
> > > > > > > > > > history or l=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > egen=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> >
> D3DA0And t=3D
> > > hose
> > > > legends m=3D3D
> > > > > > > ean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of peo=
> ple =3D
> > > believe
> > > > > > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that beli=
> eve =3D
> > > it are
> > > > > > > > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the legends mean that a glo=
> > > > > > > > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> >
> bal
> > > > flood on=3D3D
> > > > > > > ce
> > > > > > > > > > happened =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > on t=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3D3DA0So a popular=
> > > > > > > > > > happened =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > on t=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> >
> belief =3D
> > > is
> > > > true just=3D3D
> > > > > > > =3DA0because
> > > > > > > > > > it is p=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > opular.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3D3DA0Does that me=
> > > > > > > > > > it is p=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > opular.
> >
> an the w=3D
> > > orld
> > > > was onc=3D3D
> > > > > > > e flat,
> > > > > > > > > > just bec=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > e flat,
> > > > > > > > > > just bec=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ause
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. I have seen pictures of the earth tha=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> >
> t
> > > > were taken=3D3D
> > > > > > > =3DA0from
> > > > > > > > > > outer =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > spac=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > outer =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > spac=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the worl=
> d is
> > > > not fla=3D3D
> > > > > > > t.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" o=
> ther
> > > > evidenc=3D3D
> > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > jsut as fi=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > rm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen.
> >
> > > > =3D3D3D3DA0Evidence yo=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen.
> >
> >
> > > > > > > u can
> > > > > > > > > > look up =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and se=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > u can
> > > > > > > > > > look up =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and se=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of
> > > > creationist BS si=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of
> > > > > > > tes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth loo=
> ked
> > > > like 234=3D3D
> > > > > > > 9 to
> > > > > > > > > > 2348 BC=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yee=
> e
> > > > =3D3D3DA0canop=3D3D
> > > > > > > y
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where th=
> e
> > > > Noah's Flo=3D3D
> > > > > > > od
> > > > > > > > > > water cam=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e from.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or
> > > > 'fountains of =3D3D
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. =3D3DA=
> > > > > > > > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> >
> 0Such =3D
> > > as
> > > > the exp=3D3D
> > > > > > > lanation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any l=
> ight
> > > > on eart=3D3D
> > > > > > > h
> > > > > > > > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Life in those days was like being outside in the day =
> > > > > > > > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> time
> > > > during =3D3D
> > > > > > > a major
> > > > > > > > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thi=
> ck
> > > > clouds bu=3D3D
> > > > > > > t it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > not DARK outside.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > You can make this assertion from now until the day you =
> > > > > > > > > > > > not DARK outside.
> >
> die,
> > > > but it =3D3D
> > > > > > > won't
> > > > > > > > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The =
> fact
> > > > is that=3D3D
> > > > > > > =3DA0if
> > > > > > > > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth =
> with
> > > > enough =3D3D
> > > > > > > water
> > > > > > > > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. Th=
> at i=3D
> > > s
> > > > a fact=3D3D
> > > > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH =
> gues=3D
> > > sing.
> >
> > > > > > > > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is ph=
> ysic=3D
> > > ally
> > > > > > > > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kind=
> s of
> > > > > > > > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biol=
> ogic=3D
> > > al
> > > > > > > > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could=
> be
> > > > dated to
> > > > > > > > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that N=
> oah'=3D
> > > s flood
> > > > > > > > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > We also don't know if the oceans contained MORE water tha=
> > > > > > > > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >
> n th=3D
> > > e
> > > > oceans
> > > > > > > > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the =
> worl=3D
> > > d
> > > > was co=3D3D
> > > > > > > vered
> > > > > > > > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy woul=
> d no=3D
> > > t
> > > > have h=3D3D
> > > > > > > ad to
> > > > > > > > > > be very thick.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill a=
> > > > > > > > > > be very thick.
> >
> ll t=3D
> > > he
> > > > > > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. =
> Ther=3D
> > > e is no
> > > > > > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still hav=
> e su=3D
> > > nlight
> > > > > > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of =
> the =3D
> > > earth
> > > > > > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise,=
> the=3D
> > > re is
> > > > > > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been ful=
> l. L=3D
> > > akes
> > > > > > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of hol=
> ding=3D
> > > =A0water
> > > > > > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enou=
> gh w=3D
> > > ater to
> > > > > > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > > > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> > > > > > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answe=
> > > > > > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > > > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> rs s=3D
> > > o
> > > > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> > > > > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flo=
> > > > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> od w=3D
> > > ater
> > > > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive=
> wat=3D
> > > er to
> > > > > > be placed on another planet.
> >
> > > > > IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into a=
> > > > > > be placed on another planet.
> >
> nd
> > > > > out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any k=
> ind
> > > > > of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived thr=
miracles to make it happen.
Wombat
May 3, 2012, 3:54:40 AM5/3/12
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> <c020a1a2-2c06-490c-be3f-f54d9f8a7...@e15g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
The fossils that date back to the Mesozoic era, 200 million years ago?
Those fossils?
You "found" no recent fossils on Everest. That is a blatant lie,
unless you can back it up.
Since the top of the GC has a marine layer dating from 250 million
years ago, marine fossils might be expected to be found there. Do you
have a switch in your brain that switches it of when confronted with
contrary facts? Where are these Noahic fossils? To my knowledge you
have NEVER produced them.
Those fossils?
You "found" no recent fossils on Everest. That is a blatant lie,
unless you can back it up.
Since the top of the GC has a marine layer dating from 250 million
years ago, marine fossils might be expected to be found there. Do you
have a switch in your brain that switches it of when confronted with
contrary facts? Where are these Noahic fossils? To my knowledge you
have NEVER produced them.
Wombat
May 3, 2012, 3:59:10 AM5/3/12
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On May 3, 6:59 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-D2699E.18563601052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-0105121443060...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-2C1CAF.07204401052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > <Jason-3004121836270...@66-53-214-232.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-EFC2CD.18463330042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > > <Jason-3004121438240...@66-53-217-203.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > > > > > <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
Yet you have still not made your case. Assertions and ad hoc
explanations do not a case make.
>
> warning: subject change:
>
snip blatant attempt to avoid making reasonable explanations re the
GC, rather than the usual bunk.
> In article <dfritzin-D2699E.18563601052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-0105121443060...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-2C1CAF.07204401052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > <Jason-3004121836270...@66-53-214-232.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-EFC2CD.18463330042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > > <Jason-3004121438240...@66-53-217-203.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
explanations do not a case make.
>
> warning: subject change:
>
snip blatant attempt to avoid making reasonable explanations re the
GC, rather than the usual bunk.
Wombat
May 3, 2012, 4:05:53 AM5/3/12
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> <5892a762-1dfe-41be-9c4e-a478c43ac...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Devils
A legend is not necessarily an actual event. The FACT that the Old
Kingdom maintained its records through the date you have chosen should
suggest to you that you are wrong. You are trusting in a date given
by a 17th century prelate and a charlatan, neither of whom know
Egyptology better than you, who know nothing.
Kingdom maintained its records through the date you have chosen should
suggest to you that you are wrong. You are trusting in a date given
by a 17th century prelate and a charlatan, neither of whom know
Egyptology better than you, who know nothing.
Wombat
May 3, 2012, 3:55:25 AM5/3/12
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Devils Advocaat
May 3, 2012, 6:37:15 AM5/3/12
to
On May 3, 7:27 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
[snipped for brevity]
> > > > Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
> > > > without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
> > > > the biblical flood account?
>
> > > I don't know.
>
> > Really?
>
> > > I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global flood
> > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any global
> > > flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches related
> > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
>
> > I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.
>
> > You've been told that several civilisations passed through the time
> > your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
>
> > Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have from
> > them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
>
> > Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
>
> > Your bible account also says the world was repopulated by just six of
> > those people.
>
> > Now try and think.
>
> > Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
>
> > What does that say to you about the biblical account?
>
> > It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
>
> It's very simple--God is a miracle working God and could have used
> miracles to make it happen.
That doesn't address my question and you know it.
Now don't ask me to repeat the question.
Go back and read it and the points that I raised that lead to the
question.
[snipped for brevity]
> > > > Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
> > > > without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
> > > > the biblical flood account?
>
> > > I don't know.
>
> > Really?
>
> > > I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global flood
> > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any global
> > > flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches related
> > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
>
> > I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.
>
> > You've been told that several civilisations passed through the time
> > your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
>
> > Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have from
> > them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
>
> > Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
>
> > Your bible account also says the world was repopulated by just six of
> > those people.
>
> > Now try and think.
>
> > Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
>
> > What does that say to you about the biblical account?
>
> > It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
>
> It's very simple--God is a miracle working God and could have used
> miracles to make it happen.
Now don't ask me to repeat the question.
Go back and read it and the points that I raised that lead to the
question.
David Fritzinger
May 3, 2012, 7:14:20 AM5/3/12
to
In article
<Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
copious amounts of evidence that it never did. Therefore, if there was a
flood, God lied about it. That means that the god you worship is a liar.
<Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Jason-01051...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > >
[snip]
> In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Jason-01051...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> > >
> > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water
> > > to
> > > be placed on another planet.
> >
> > IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and
> > out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any kind
> > of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived through
> > ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
>
> I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> about that subject.
In your scenario, God left no evidence that a flood occurred, and
> > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> > >
> > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water
> > > to
> > > be placed on another planet.
> >
> > IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and
> > out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any kind
> > of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived through
> > ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
>
> I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> about that subject.
copious amounts of evidence that it never did. Therefore, if there was a
flood, God lied about it. That means that the god you worship is a liar.
Mitchell Holman
May 3, 2012, 8:05:19 AM5/3/12
to
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
Since when has that stopped you?
The Bible doesn't provide any details about
this "canopy" but you believe IT well enough.
news:Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
The Bible doesn't provide any details about
this "canopy" but you believe IT well enough.
Mitchell Holman
May 3, 2012, 8:08:11 AM5/3/12
to
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
So his creation consistently flops.
Is this something beyond his pay grade?
news:Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
Is this something beyond his pay grade?
tirebiter
May 3, 2012, 10:16:09 AM5/3/12
to
> <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, harry
And how did the "cleansing the world of evil people" work out for this
alleged god? Not to mention there must have been "good people" who
were massacred by this evil yet fictional god's flood. It can't seem
to do anything right.
---
a.a. #2273
alleged god? Not to mention there must have been "good people" who
were massacred by this evil yet fictional god's flood. It can't seem
to do anything right.
---
a.a. #2273
tirebiter
May 3, 2012, 10:33:26 AM5/3/12
to
On May 3, 10:16 am, tirebiter <dontspamme...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On May 3, 12:46 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, harry
>
>
> On May 3, 12:46 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, harry
>
>
Tom McDonald
May 3, 2012, 11:43:01 AM5/3/12
to
On 5/3/2012 12:54 AM, Jason wrote:
> In article
> <5892a762-1dfe-41be...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Devils
> Advocaat<manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On May 3, 5:41=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>> In article<dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> David Fritzinger<dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> In article
> <5892a762-1dfe-41be...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Devils
> Advocaat<manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On May 3, 5:41=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>> In article<dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> David Fritzinger<dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and
>>>> out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any kind
>>>> of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived through
>>>> ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
>>>
>>> I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
>>> about that subject.
>>
>> Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
>> without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
>> the biblical flood account?
>
> I don't know. I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global flood
> did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any global
> flood legends related to Egypt.
had legends of a global flood were either Christian or New Age sites,
and that they all cribbed from each other without *ever* giving
references to any work by any historian or anthropologist or ethnologist
who had actually studied ancient Egyptian culture.
IOW, you found bullshit fantasies and outright lies on your side, and
reasonably decent to excellent scholarship on the other, truthful,
non-global-flood side.
But that won't stop you from repeating this lie of yours the next time
this comes up, will it, Jason?
> I did not do any google searches related
> to those other cultures that were mentioned.
existence in the mid-third millennium BC, but I have studied them in
both history courses at the bachelor's level and in archaeology courses
at the graduate level. None of the historical or archaeological facts
support a global flood at that time. Or, really, at any time.
Repeat, there is *no, none, nada, kein, zip, bupkus, zero* historical or
archaeological evidence for a world-engulfing flood in the mid-third
millennium BC.
And you expect us to believe that a global flood that could cut the
Grand Canyon in weeks or months would leave no evidence whatsoever in
the household goods of cultures we know extremely, extremely well?
I guess you do expect us to believe that.
harry k
May 3, 2012, 3:25:06 PM5/3/12
to
> <c14de0b6-f9fe-4c6b-8bb4-be82127ef...@qg3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry
Perhaps god gave you a working brain butyour posts show no evidence of
it.
Harry K
it.
Harry K
harry k
May 3, 2012, 3:27:56 PM5/3/12
to
> <6d8b31cb-72eb-47f3-bfe1-81f134a22...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry
> > > > Harry K
>
> > > God could have done it several different ways. One pastor claimed God use=
> > d
> > > Noah's Flood to do it since it was God way of letting everyone know that
> > > he was cleansing the world of evil people.
>
> > OMG! ROFLMAO!!!. So he kills everybody and then explains to them
> > why? JAAYYYZUSSS!!!
>
> > The next time--God will use
> > > FIRE to destroy the evil people that are in the world at that time. After
> > > that fire is over, God will create a perfect world on this earth--read th=
> > e
> > > last two chapters of the Bible to find out the details of what that new
> > > world will be like. Also, see John 3:16.
>
> > So why didn't he create that perfect world the first time. After all
> > he is
> > "all knowing' and therefore knew his first attempt would fail..;and
> > his second.
>
> > What, He is so incompetent he needs practice to get it right?
>
> > Harry K
>
> No--it's more complicated. God has given people two chances to get it
> right and we failed both times. The third time--God will take over the
> earth and will get it right. Read the last two chapters of the Bible for
> the details. The third time is the charm.
So you admit he needed two tries, read practice, and still didn't get
it right.
Harry K
>
> k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 2, 9:46=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, harr=
> > y
<major snip of JS> JS - Jason shit
> k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 2, 9:46=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, harr=
> > y
> > > > Harry K
>
> > > God could have done it several different ways. One pastor claimed God use=
> > d
> > > Noah's Flood to do it since it was God way of letting everyone know that
> > > he was cleansing the world of evil people.
>
> > OMG! ROFLMAO!!!. So he kills everybody and then explains to them
> > why? JAAYYYZUSSS!!!
>
> > The next time--God will use
> > > FIRE to destroy the evil people that are in the world at that time. After
> > > that fire is over, God will create a perfect world on this earth--read th=
> > e
> > > last two chapters of the Bible to find out the details of what that new
> > > world will be like. Also, see John 3:16.
>
> > So why didn't he create that perfect world the first time. After all
> > he is
> > "all knowing' and therefore knew his first attempt would fail..;and
> > his second.
>
> > What, He is so incompetent he needs practice to get it right?
>
> > Harry K
>
> No--it's more complicated. God has given people two chances to get it
> right and we failed both times. The third time--God will take over the
> earth and will get it right. Read the last two chapters of the Bible for
> the details. The third time is the charm.
it right.
Harry K
Jason
May 3, 2012, 4:19:37 PM5/3/12
to
In article
<710c9025-203c-4655...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 3, 7:27=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> [snipped for brevity]
>
> > > > > Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
> > > > > without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you abou=
> lood
> > > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any glob=
> al
> > > > flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches rela=
happen. We believe the population started with just two people--Adam and
Eve.
There is one belief among some Christians that God tried the creation
thing once before Adam and Eve and that was the reason Cain was able to
find a wife in a nearby town. Those people in that town were "left-overs"
from the first creation. I don't believe it. I believe he married one of
his sisters.
I believe it is possible for 8 people to get it started--esp. if every man
has several wives.
After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other living
things and that living things only produce more living things like
themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis will
NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal to
murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
that I am correct. Abortion=Murder
3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood.
I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
that it did not happen.
4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend with
Mary.
5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
day.
6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunnel
snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day.
She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device on
her wrists.
<710c9025-203c-4655...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 3, 7:27=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> [snipped for brevity]
>
> > > > > Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
> t
> > > > > the biblical flood account?
> >
> > > > I don't know.
> >
> > > Really?
> >
> > > > I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> > > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global f=
> > > > > the biblical flood account?
> >
> > > > I don't know.
> >
> > > Really?
> >
> > > > I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> lood
> > > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any glob=
> al
> > > > flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches rela=
> ted
> > > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
> >
> > > I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.
> >
> > > You've been told that several civilisations passed through the time
> > > your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
> >
> > > Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have from
> > > them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
> >
> > > Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
> >
> > > Your bible account also says the world was repopulated by just six of
> > > those people.
> >
> > > Now try and think.
> >
> > > Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
> >
> > > What does that say to you about the biblical account?
> >
> > > It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
> >
> > It's very simple--God is a miracle working God and could have used
> > miracles to make it happen.
>
> That doesn't address my question and you know it.
>
> Now don't ask me to repeat the question.
>
> Go back and read it and the points that I raised that lead to the
> question.
You already know my point of view--Noah's Flood did happen and God made it
> > > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
> >
> > > I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.
> >
> > > You've been told that several civilisations passed through the time
> > > your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
> >
> > > Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have from
> > > them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
> >
> > > Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
> >
> > > Your bible account also says the world was repopulated by just six of
> > > those people.
> >
> > > Now try and think.
> >
> > > Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
> >
> > > What does that say to you about the biblical account?
> >
> > > It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
> >
> > It's very simple--God is a miracle working God and could have used
> > miracles to make it happen.
>
> That doesn't address my question and you know it.
>
> Now don't ask me to repeat the question.
>
> Go back and read it and the points that I raised that lead to the
> question.
happen. We believe the population started with just two people--Adam and
Eve.
There is one belief among some Christians that God tried the creation
thing once before Adam and Eve and that was the reason Cain was able to
find a wife in a nearby town. Those people in that town were "left-overs"
from the first creation. I don't believe it. I believe he married one of
his sisters.
I believe it is possible for 8 people to get it started--esp. if every man
has several wives.
After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other living
things and that living things only produce more living things like
themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis will
NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal to
murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
that I am correct. Abortion=Murder
3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood.
I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
that it did not happen.
4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend with
Mary.
5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
day.
6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunnel
snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day.
She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device on
her wrists.
Jason
May 3, 2012, 4:21:31 PM5/3/12
to
In article <dIxor.32862$kb7....@newsfe20.iad>, Tom McDonald
Yes, I believe it but do believe the river at the bottom of the Grand
Canyon has also played a role over the years in making the canyon even
deeper.
Read this:
Canyon has also played a role over the years in making the canyon even
deeper.
Read this:
Jason
May 3, 2012, 4:23:17 PM5/3/12
to
In article <XnsA04847871661D...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
No--God did find out that man can't properly run the world. The third time
will be the charm--God will rule the world--read the last two chapters of
will be the charm--God will rule the world--read the last two chapters of
the Bible for the details.
Jason
May 3, 2012, 4:25:16 PM5/3/12
to
In article
<6ae03c89-953d-426e...@l4g2000pbv.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > <6d8b31cb-72eb-47f3-bfe1-81f134a22...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harr=
> y
> >
> > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, =
> harr=3D
> use=3D
> > > d
> > > > Noah's Flood to do it since it was God way of letting everyone know t=
> > > =A0why? =A0JAAYYYZUSSS!!!
> fter
> > > > that fire is over, God will create a perfect world on this earth--rea=
> d th=3D
> > > e
> > > > last two chapters of the Bible to find out the details of what that n=
> > > he is
> > > =A0"all knowing' and therefore knew his first attempt would fail..;and
world is destroyed with Fire--God will make the earth into a paradise and
will take control over the earth--read the last two chapters to find out
what that world will be like. Read this:
<6ae03c89-953d-426e...@l4g2000pbv.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > <6d8b31cb-72eb-47f3-bfe1-81f134a22...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harr=
> y
> >
> > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, =
> harr=3D
> > > y
>
> <major snip of JS> JS - Jason shit
>
> > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > God could have done it several different ways. One pastor claimed God=
>
> <major snip of JS> JS - Jason shit
>
> > > > > Harry K
> >
> use=3D
> > > d
> > > > Noah's Flood to do it since it was God way of letting everyone know t=
> hat
> > > > he was cleansing the world of evil people.
> >
> > > OMG! =A0 ROFLMAO!!!. =A0So he kills everybody and then explains to them
> > > > he was cleansing the world of evil people.
> >
> > > =A0why? =A0JAAYYYZUSSS!!!
> >
> > > The next time--God will use
> > > > FIRE to destroy the evil people that are in the world at that time. A=
> > > The next time--God will use
> fter
> > > > that fire is over, God will create a perfect world on this earth--rea=
> d th=3D
> > > e
> > > > last two chapters of the Bible to find out the details of what that n=
> ew
> > > > world will be like. Also, see John 3:16.
> >
> > > So why didn't he create that perfect world the first time. =A0After all
> > > > world will be like. Also, see John 3:16.
> >
> > > he is
> > > =A0"all knowing' and therefore knew his first attempt would fail..;and
> > > his second.
> >
> > > What, He is so incompetent he needs practice to get it right?
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > No--it's more complicated. God has given people two chances to get it
> > right and we failed both times. The third time--God will take over the
> > earth and will get it right. Read the last two chapters of the Bible for
> > the details. The third time is the charm.
>
> So you admit he needed two tries, read practice, and still didn't get
> it right.
>
> Harry K
He learned that mankind can't rule the world. The next time--after the
> >
> > > What, He is so incompetent he needs practice to get it right?
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > No--it's more complicated. God has given people two chances to get it
> > right and we failed both times. The third time--God will take over the
> > earth and will get it right. Read the last two chapters of the Bible for
> > the details. The third time is the charm.
>
> So you admit he needed two tries, read practice, and still didn't get
> it right.
>
> Harry K
world is destroyed with Fire--God will make the earth into a paradise and
will take control over the earth--read the last two chapters to find out
what that world will be like. Read this:
Jason
May 3, 2012, 4:26:01 PM5/3/12
to
In article <XnsA048470AE7324...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
Only because it explains the source of the Noah's Flood water.
Jason
May 3, 2012, 4:38:14 PM5/3/12
to
In article <dfritzin-2BA399...@news.eternal-september.org>,
The Bible is not a science book. The story about the flood was passed down
from generation to generation (oral tradition) until Moses wrote down the
story. That is probably the reason lots of details got left out. It's too
bad we don't have a witness to what the world was like prior to the
flood--such as--was there a canopy?
from generation to generation (oral tradition) until Moses wrote down the
story. That is probably the reason lots of details got left out. It's too
bad we don't have a witness to what the world was like prior to the
flood--such as--was there a canopy?
Jason
May 3, 2012, 4:39:08 PM5/3/12
to
In article
<439c6e3c-077e-40c4...@6g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>, Wombat
<tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On May 3, 6:49=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> >
> > > > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all t=
> he
> > > > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. Ther=
> e is=3D
> > > =A0no
> > > > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have su=
> nlig=3D
> > > ht
> > > > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the =
> eart=3D
> > > h
> > > > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, the=
> re i=3D
> > > s
> > > > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. L=
> akes
> > > > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding=
> wat=3D
> > > er
> > > > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough w=
> ater=3D
> > > =A0to
> ater
> > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive wat=
> er t=3D
<439c6e3c-077e-40c4...@6g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>, Wombat
<tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On May 3, 6:49=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> >
> > > > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all t=
> he
> > > > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. Ther=
> e is=3D
> > > =A0no
> > > > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have su=
> nlig=3D
> > > ht
> > > > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the =
> eart=3D
> > > h
> > > > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, the=
> re i=3D
> > > s
> > > > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. L=
> akes
> > > > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding=
> wat=3D
> > > er
> > > > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough w=
> ater=3D
> > > =A0to
> > > > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> > > > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers s=
> >
> > > > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> o
> > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> > > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood w=
> > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> ater
> > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive wat=
> er t=3D
> > > o
> > > > be placed on another planet.
> >
> > > Since he would have "poofed" the water into existance, why would he
> > > bother to move it to another planet? =A0Ever hear of "logic"?
> > > > be placed on another planet.
> >
> > > Since he would have "poofed" the water into existance, why would he
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > I was guessing--perhaps God did make the water disappear.
>
> Loki.
God the father--read this:
> > > Harry K
> >
> > I was guessing--perhaps God did make the water disappear.
>
> Loki.
Jason
May 3, 2012, 5:17:08 PM5/3/12
to
In article
<65a6878f-e4df-466b...@m15g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On May 3, 6:48=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <c020a1a2-2c06-490c-be3f-f54d9f8a7...@e15g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > > > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all t=
> he
> > > > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. Ther=
> e is=3D
> > > =A0no
> > > > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have su=
> nlig=3D
> > > ht
> > > > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the =
> eart=3D
> > > h
> > > > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, the=
> re i=3D
> > > s
> > > > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. L=
> akes
> > > > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding=
> wat=3D
> > > er
> > > > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough w=
> ater=3D
> > > =A0to
> ater
> > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive wat=
> er t=3D
Strong Evidence For a Global Noahic Flood As Shown By Rapidly ...
Mar 18, 2010 ... Strong Evidence For a Global Noahic Flood As Shown By
Rapidly Formed ...
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at the top and what
scientists consider the oldest and long extinct species are at the ...
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because only a global flood
could create fossils in abundance as way the case here.
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of rock ...
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... The
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<65a6878f-e4df-466b...@m15g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On May 3, 6:48=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <c020a1a2-2c06-490c-be3f-f54d9f8a7...@e15g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> he
> > > > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. Ther=
> e is=3D
> > > =A0no
> > > > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have su=
> nlig=3D
> > > ht
> > > > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the =
> eart=3D
> > > h
> > > > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, the=
> re i=3D
> > > s
> > > > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. L=
> akes
> > > > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding=
> wat=3D
> > > er
> > > > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough w=
> ater=3D
> > > =A0to
> > > > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> > > > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers s=
> >
> > > > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> o
> > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> > > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood w=
> > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> ater
> > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive wat=
> er t=3D
> > > o
> > > > be placed on another planet.
> >
> > > So why did he create evidence that there was no floode. =A0Sounds like
> > > > be placed on another planet.
> >
> > > the sort of thing Loki is known for.
> >
> > The evidence is on this earth--such as the Grand Canyon and the ocean fis=
> >
> h
> > fossils that I have been found on Mount Everest.
>
> The fossils that date back to the Mesozoic era, 200 million years ago?
> Those fossils?
> You "found" no recent fossils on Everest. That is a blatant lie,
> unless you can back it up.
> Since the top of the GC has a marine layer dating from 250 million
> years ago, marine fossils might be expected to be found there. Do you
> have a switch in your brain that switches it of when confronted with
> contrary facts? Where are these Noahic fossils? To my knowledge you
> have NEVER produced them.
Google search results:
> > fossils that I have been found on Mount Everest.
>
> The fossils that date back to the Mesozoic era, 200 million years ago?
> Those fossils?
> You "found" no recent fossils on Everest. That is a blatant lie,
> unless you can back it up.
> Since the top of the GC has a marine layer dating from 250 million
> years ago, marine fossils might be expected to be found there. Do you
> have a switch in your brain that switches it of when confronted with
> contrary facts? Where are these Noahic fossils? To my knowledge you
> have NEVER produced them.
Strong Evidence For a Global Noahic Flood As Shown By Rapidly ...
Mar 18, 2010 ... Strong Evidence For a Global Noahic Flood As Shown By
Rapidly Formed ...
Remarkably, the same chalk beds with the same fossils and the ...
www.zimbio.com/.../Strong+Evidence+Global+Noahic+Flood+Shown - 52k -
Cached - Similar pages
If the Noahic Flood explains rock strata, why do animal fossils ...
Jan 11, 2011 ... .....orderly depth-sequence? That is, modern species are
at the top and what
scientists consider the oldest and long extinct species are at the ...
answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid... - 65k - Cached - Similar pages
The Noahic Flood is Real History? - Yahoo! UK & Ireland Answers
Dec 20, 2011 ... As I keep saying, fossils are proof of a Noahic flood
because only a global flood
could create fossils in abundance as way the case here.
uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid... - 62k - Cached - Similar pages
Scientists of faith: forty-eight biographies of historic ...
26 William Buckland (1784-1856) Geologist of the Noahic Flood The waters ... He
seems to have been interested in ammonite fossils found in rocks near his ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=082542724X
Was the Noahic flood global?
Was the Noahic flood global? ... Sea fossils are found throughout the world at
every elevation‹consistent with rising waters covering the earth. Layers
of rock ...
www.compellingtruth.org/global-flood.html - 12k - Cached - Similar pages
Can the Redwoods Date the Flood?
We know from the fossils that they existed long before that ... during the
... The
cones could have survived flooding up to 21 years‹the Noahic flood lasted
only ...
www.icr.org/article/can-redwoods-date-flood/ - 38k - Cached - Similar pages
If the Noahic Flood of Genesis was global - Religion & Spirituality - A5
If the Noahic Flood of Genesis was global, why are there no geologic evidences
of a global deluge? And why are animal fossils found in such well-defined
strata ...
www.answer5.com/arts_humanities/religion_spirituality/?id... - 22k -
Cached - Similar pages
Sedimentation Experiments: Is Extrapolation Appropriate?
extrapolations beyond the experimental conditions to apply the mechanism of
non-horizontal layers to the formation of all fossil-bearing rocks during
the Noahic ...
creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j11_1/j11_1_61-64.pdf - - Cached - Similar pages
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David Fritzinger
May 3, 2012, 6:39:20 PM5/3/12
to
In article
<Jason-03051...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Do you want to run that one by us again? There were 8 people. Noah and
his wife, their 3 sons and their wives. How on earth could each of them
have several wives?
about the subject than you do. That you are intentionally ignorant makes
that task even harder.
belief. Our point is, and always has been that we aren't forcing our
point of view on you, so don't try to force your point of view on us.
never happened,, and you just go on as if it was never presented. You
are asked questions about the supposed flood and come up with
nonsensical answers.
far better for you if you actually did some research before responding
to posts. In many cases, your answers are nonsensical, In other cases
they are lies. You are provided with solid evidence about many subjects,
such as the lies of the ICR, Limbaugh, etc., and you go on as if the
evidence was never presented to you. Finally, when you try to respond to
requests for information, all you do is give the first 10 results of a
Google search, without even bothering to look at them. Usually, your own
search results prove you wrong.
<Jason-03051...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
his wife, their 3 sons and their wives. How on earth could each of them
have several wives?
>
> After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
>
> 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
> Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other living
> things and that living things only produce more living things like
> themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis will
> NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
It is even more difficult to convince people when they know far more
> After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
>
> 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
> Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other living
> things and that living things only produce more living things like
> themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis will
> NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
about the subject than you do. That you are intentionally ignorant makes
that task even harder.
>
> 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal to
> murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
> that I am correct. Abortion=Murder
That is something having to do with personal belief. You have that
> 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal to
> murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
> that I am correct. Abortion=Murder
belief. Our point is, and always has been that we aren't forcing our
point of view on you, so don't try to force your point of view on us.
>
> 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood.
> I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> that it did not happen.
Your problem is that you have been presented evidence that the flood
> 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood.
> I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> that it did not happen.
never happened,, and you just go on as if it was never presented. You
are asked questions about the supposed flood and come up with
nonsensical answers.
>
> 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
> addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
> with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend with
> Mary.
That is the first good reason you presented. Of course, things would be
> 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
> addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
> with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend with
> Mary.
far better for you if you actually did some research before responding
to posts. In many cases, your answers are nonsensical, In other cases
they are lies. You are provided with solid evidence about many subjects,
such as the lies of the ICR, Limbaugh, etc., and you go on as if the
evidence was never presented to you. Finally, when you try to respond to
requests for information, all you do is give the first 10 results of a
Google search, without even bothering to look at them. Usually, your own
search results prove you wrong.
>
> 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> day.
By all means, do the exercise.
> 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> day.
>
> 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunnel
> snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
> grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day.
> She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device on
> her wrists.
Again, answer fewer posts, but try to be more thorough in your answers.
> 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunnel
> snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
> grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day.
> She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device on
> her wrists.
David Fritzinger
May 3, 2012, 7:06:53 PM5/3/12
to
In article
<Jason-03051...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
You are changing the subject again, which you always seem to do when
caught in a lie. The fact is there is no evidence for a worldwide flood,
physical or biological. There are a number of civilizations that seemed
not to have noticed that they had all drowned, which is not good
evidence for the flood. Finally, much of the flood is physically
impossible, since you still haven't been able to come up with an
explanation of where the water came from and where it went. Therefore,
if there was a flood, it is clear that God lie, since he seemingly hid
all evidence of its ocurrence.
<Jason-03051...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
caught in a lie. The fact is there is no evidence for a worldwide flood,
physical or biological. There are a number of civilizations that seemed
not to have noticed that they had all drowned, which is not good
evidence for the flood. Finally, much of the flood is physically
impossible, since you still haven't been able to come up with an
explanation of where the water came from and where it went. Therefore,
if there was a flood, it is clear that God lie, since he seemingly hid
all evidence of its ocurrence.
Caranx latus
May 3, 2012, 8:45:26 PM5/3/12
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<snip>
tirebiter
May 3, 2012, 10:09:38 PM5/3/12
to
On May 3, 4:23 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA04847871661Dnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
how wrong your blasphemous lies are.
---
a.a. #2273
> In article <XnsA04847871661Dnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > > In article
> > > <6d8b31cb-72eb-47f3-bfe1-81f134a22...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > > In article
> > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> What, He is so incompetent he needs practice to get it right?
>
> > >> Harry K
>
> > > No--it's more complicated. God has given people two chances to get it
> > > right and we failed both times.
>
> > So his creation consistently flops.
>
> > Is this something beyond his pay grade?
>
> No--God did find out that man can't properly run the world. The third time
> will be the charm--God will rule the world--read the last two chapters of
> the Bible for the details.
>
Read about what omniscience and omnipotence mean. Then you'll know
>
> > >> What, He is so incompetent he needs practice to get it right?
>
> > >> Harry K
>
> > > No--it's more complicated. God has given people two chances to get it
> > > right and we failed both times.
>
> > So his creation consistently flops.
>
> > Is this something beyond his pay grade?
>
> No--God did find out that man can't properly run the world. The third time
> will be the charm--God will rule the world--read the last two chapters of
> the Bible for the details.
>
how wrong your blasphemous lies are.
---
a.a. #2273
tirebiter
May 3, 2012, 10:11:29 PM5/3/12
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> <439c6e3c-077e-40c4-824f-f5d45b5a6...@6g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>, Wombat
7. You lie in every post you've ever submitted.
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tirebiter
May 3, 2012, 10:27:17 PM5/3/12
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> <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devils
7. And you ALWAYS lie in EVERY ONE of your posts.
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tirebiter
May 3, 2012, 10:28:40 PM5/3/12
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On May 3, 4:26 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA048470AE7324nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > >> <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
No it doesn't because it is impossible to have happened. When an
explanation is proved wrong, it stops being an explanation.
You obviously lied about going to college because that is one of the
things they teach. Even in the intro 101 level classes.
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> In article <XnsA048470AE7324nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
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> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
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> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
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> > > In article
> > > <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > >> In article
> > > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > >> <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
explanation is proved wrong, it stops being an explanation.
You obviously lied about going to college because that is one of the
things they teach. Even in the intro 101 level classes.
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harry k
May 4, 2012, 12:03:56 AM5/4/12
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> <6ae03c89-953d-426e-a56a-ce9cc0094...@l4g2000pbv.googlegroups.com>, harry
Boooo Hoooo.
Your carpal tuneol syndrome (which I don't believe for a moment) would
disppear instantly if you would just cut out the lies in your posts.
Harry K
Your carpal tuneol syndrome (which I don't believe for a moment) would
disppear instantly if you would just cut out the lies in your posts.
Harry K
Wombat
May 4, 2012, 2:13:32 AM5/4/12
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> <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devils
So Noah's sons indulged in wife swapping.
>
> After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
>
> 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
> Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other living
> things and that living things only produce more living things like
> themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis will
> NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
Especially when, as you have been told so many times, you are wrong.
>
> 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal to
> murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
> that I am correct. Abortion=Murder
>
> 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood.
> I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> that it did not happen.
If you came up with physically possible answers things might have been
different. Coming up with ad hoc assertions that contradicted what
you wrote before did not help. Having no evidence for you assertions
and refusing to look for it was not clever.
>
> 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
> addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
> with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend with
> Mary.
>
> 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> day.
>
> 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunnel
> snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
> grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day.
> She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device on
> her wrists.
Sorry about your health problems. I would suggest you spend some time
learning new things.
>
> After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
>
> 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
> Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other living
> things and that living things only produce more living things like
> themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis will
> NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
>
> 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal to
> murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
> that I am correct. Abortion=Murder
>
> 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood.
> I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> that it did not happen.
different. Coming up with ad hoc assertions that contradicted what
you wrote before did not help. Having no evidence for you assertions
and refusing to look for it was not clever.
>
> 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
> addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
> with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend with
> Mary.
>
> 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> day.
>
> 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunnel
> snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
> grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day.
> She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device on
> her wrists.
learning new things.
Wombat
May 4, 2012, 2:22:15 AM5/4/12
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> <65a6878f-e4df-466b-9069-99c88a843...@m15g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
> Remarkably, the same chalk beds with the same fossils and the ...www.zimbio.com/.../Strong+Evidence+Global+Noahic+Flood+Shown- 52k -
them? ICR! you really think after they have been caught quote mining
3 times recently anyone should trust them? Answers.yahoo is scarcely
scientific.
If you cannot google search give it up.
> Cached - Similar pages
>
> If the Noahic Flood explains rock strata, why do animal fossils ...
> Jan 11, 2011 ... .....orderly depth-sequence? That is, modern species are
> at the top and what
> scientists consider the oldest and long extinct species are at the ...
> answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid... - 65k - Cached - Similar pages
>
> The Noahic Flood is Real History? - Yahoo! UK & Ireland Answers
> Dec 20, 2011 ... As I keep saying, fossils are proof of a Noahic flood
> because only a global flood
> could create fossils in abundance as way the case here.
> uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid... - 62k - Cached - Similar pages
>
> Scientists of faith: forty-eight biographies of historic ...
> 26 William Buckland (1784-1856) Geologist of the Noahic Flood The waters ... He
> seems to have been interested in ammonite fossils found in rocks near his ...
> books.google.com/books?isbn=082542724X
>
> Was the Noahic flood global?
> Was the Noahic flood global? ... Sea fossils are found throughout the world at
> every elevation‹consistent with rising waters covering the earth. Layers
> of rock ...www.compellingtruth.org/global-flood.html- 12k - Cached - Similar pages
>
> If the Noahic Flood explains rock strata, why do animal fossils ...
> Jan 11, 2011 ... .....orderly depth-sequence? That is, modern species are
> at the top and what
> scientists consider the oldest and long extinct species are at the ...
> answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid... - 65k - Cached - Similar pages
>
> The Noahic Flood is Real History? - Yahoo! UK & Ireland Answers
> Dec 20, 2011 ... As I keep saying, fossils are proof of a Noahic flood
> because only a global flood
> could create fossils in abundance as way the case here.
> uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid... - 62k - Cached - Similar pages
>
> Scientists of faith: forty-eight biographies of historic ...
> 26 William Buckland (1784-1856) Geologist of the Noahic Flood The waters ... He
> seems to have been interested in ammonite fossils found in rocks near his ...
> books.google.com/books?isbn=082542724X
>
> Was the Noahic flood global?
> Was the Noahic flood global? ... Sea fossils are found throughout the world at
> every elevation‹consistent with rising waters covering the earth. Layers
>
> Can the Redwoods Date the Flood?
> We know from the fossils that they existed long before that ... during the
> ... The
> cones could have survived flooding up to 21 years‹the Noahic flood lasted
> only ...www.icr.org/article/can-redwoods-date-flood/- 38k - Cached - Similar pages
> Can the Redwoods Date the Flood?
> We know from the fossils that they existed long before that ... during the
> ... The
> cones could have survived flooding up to 21 years‹the Noahic flood lasted
>
> If the Noahic Flood of Genesis was global - Religion & Spirituality - A5
> If the Noahic Flood of Genesis was global, why are there no geologic evidences
> of a global deluge? And why are animal fossils found in such well-defined
> strata ...www.answer5.com/arts_humanities/religion_spirituality/?id... - 22k -
> If the Noahic Flood of Genesis was global - Religion & Spirituality - A5
> If the Noahic Flood of Genesis was global, why are there no geologic evidences
> of a global deluge? And why are animal fossils found in such well-defined
> Cached - Similar pages
>
> Sedimentation Experiments: Is Extrapolation Appropriate?
> extrapolations beyond the experimental conditions to apply the mechanism of
> non-horizontal layers to the formation of all fossil-bearing rocks during
> the Noahic ...
> creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j11_1/j11_1_61-64.pdf - - Cached - Similar pages
> AdsCrystals Fossils Meteors
> Unique Opportunity To Hold And Pick The Best Ones Of Many Before U Buywww.worldsbestnaturestore.com/
> Fossil Discovery Center
> Be A Paleontologist While You Dig For Fossils At Our Fossil Center.www.sterlinghillminingmuseum.org/
>
> 1
What was the query? Most of those sits do not open - did you check
>
> Sedimentation Experiments: Is Extrapolation Appropriate?
> extrapolations beyond the experimental conditions to apply the mechanism of
> non-horizontal layers to the formation of all fossil-bearing rocks during
> the Noahic ...
> creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j11_1/j11_1_61-64.pdf - - Cached - Similar pages
> AdsCrystals Fossils Meteors
> Unique Opportunity To Hold And Pick The Best Ones Of Many Before U Buywww.worldsbestnaturestore.com/
> Fossil Discovery Center
> Be A Paleontologist While You Dig For Fossils At Our Fossil Center.www.sterlinghillminingmuseum.org/
>
> 1
them? ICR! you really think after they have been caught quote mining
3 times recently anyone should trust them? Answers.yahoo is scarcely
scientific.
If you cannot google search give it up.
Wombat
May 4, 2012, 2:16:27 AM5/4/12
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> <6ae03c89-953d-426e-a56a-ce9cc0094...@l4g2000pbv.googlegroups.com>, harry
Was it really necessary to repeat this cri de coeur FIVE times?
Jason
May 4, 2012, 2:58:53 AM5/4/12
to
In article <dfritzin-896141...@news.eternal-september.org>,
God is a miracle working God and use miracles to make it all happen.
Jason
May 4, 2012, 3:28:02 AM5/4/12
to
In article <dfritzin-028ED4...@news.eternal-september.org>,
I tried to respond to as many as are possible each day--it was very time
consuming. Mary is getting upset with me for spending to much time
responding to posts. It's interfering with my life. One poster claimed
that we broke some records in regard to posts. I don't know.
consuming. Mary is getting upset with me for spending to much time
responding to posts. It's interfering with my life. One poster claimed
that we broke some records in regard to posts. I don't know.
Jason
May 4, 2012, 3:30:44 AM5/4/12
to
In article <DAFor.93$fs3...@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus
I was referring to future generations. If they all had 20 or more
children--future generations would have lots of people. If each man had
several wives and 20 children per woman--the population would have grown
very quickly in about a dozen generations.
children--future generations would have lots of people. If each man had
several wives and 20 children per woman--the population would have grown
very quickly in about a dozen generations.
Devils Advocaat
May 4, 2012, 3:33:14 AM5/4/12
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> <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devils
How could they have had several wives?
wrong.
unacceptable, it is not murder. And you've been told why that is the
case.
it.
on the computer while there.
No wonder she's annoyed with you.
in the UK, is regular, gentle exercise. Why? Because sitting, or
laying down for too long each day makes the back muscles weaker.
>
> After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
>
> 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
> Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other living
> things and that living things only produce more living things like
> themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis will
> NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
You got that right, especially as all the evidence shows you are
> After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
>
> 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
> Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other living
> things and that living things only produce more living things like
> themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis will
> NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
wrong.
>
> 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal to
> murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
> that I am correct. Abortion=Murder
And you've been told while you might find it morally repugnant and
> 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal to
> murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
> that I am correct. Abortion=Murder
unacceptable, it is not murder. And you've been told why that is the
case.
>
> 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood.
> I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> that it did not happen.
We know it didn't happen, because there is no observable evidence for
> 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood.
> I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> that it did not happen.
it.
>
> 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
> addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
> with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend with
> Mary.
So you go to Mary's house to help her, and you spend most of your time
> 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
> addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
> with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend with
> Mary.
on the computer while there.
No wonder she's annoyed with you.
>
> 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> day.
The best thing for a bad back, which was demonstrated years ago here
> 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> day.
in the UK, is regular, gentle exercise. Why? Because sitting, or
laying down for too long each day makes the back muscles weaker.
>
> 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunnel
> snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
> grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day.
> She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device on
> her wrists.
No one's fault but your own.
> 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunnel
> snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
> grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day.
> She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device on
> her wrists.
David Fritzinger
May 4, 2012, 6:35:24 AM5/4/12
to
In article <Jason-04051...@66-53-213-6.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Too bad the Egyptians, etc. never noticed the flood that killed them,
and kept on merrily living through the deluge.
and kept on merrily living through the deluge.
David Fritzinger
May 4, 2012, 6:53:45 AM5/4/12
to
In article <Jason-03051...@66-53-213-6.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
That he left no evidence of his supposed flood shows that he is a liar,
assuming the flood actually occurred. Of course, anyone who is at all
scientific literate knows that it never did occur.
assuming the flood actually occurred. Of course, anyone who is at all
scientific literate knows that it never did occur.
Devils Advocaat
May 4, 2012, 8:07:25 AM5/4/12
to
On May 4, 11:35 am, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com>
wrote:
> In article <Jason-0405120030440...@66-53-213-6.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > >> <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
> > > >> Devils
> > > >> Advocaat<mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
Isn't that because they looked after their mummys properly? :P
wrote:
> In article <Jason-0405120030440...@66-53-213-6.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
>
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>
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>
>
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <DAFor.93$fs3...@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus
>
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>
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <DAFor.93$fs3...@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus
> > <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 5/3/2012 6:39 PM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <Jason-0305121319380...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
> > > On 5/3/2012 6:39 PM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > >> <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
> > > >> Devils
> > > >> Advocaat<mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yap
May 4, 2012, 8:23:14 AM5/4/12
to
On May 3, 12:44 pm, harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 2, 9:41 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 30, 11:38=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > In article
>
> > <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org=> > > >,
> > > > > > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > In article
>
> > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.c=
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:25=3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com
> > (Jason) w=
> > > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > tche=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > :
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > m:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are documented as
> > > > > > > > history or l=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > egen=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > d in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0And those
> > legends m=
> > > > > ean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people believe
> > > > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe it are
> > > > > > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the legends mean that a global
> > flood on=
> > > > > ce
> > > > > > > > happened =3D
> > > > > > > > > > > on t=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0So a popular belief is
> > true just=
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > > it is p=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > opular.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0Does that mean the world
> > was onc=
> > > > > e flat,
> > > > > > > > just bec=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > ause
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. I have seen pictures of the earth that
> > were taken=
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > > outer =3D
> > > > > > > > > > > spac=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is
> > not fla=
> > > > > t.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other
> > evidenc=
> > > > > e
> > > > > > > > jsut as fi=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > rm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen.
>
> > =3D3DA0Evidence yo=
>
> > > > > u can
> > > > > > > > look up =3D
> > > > > > > > > > > and se=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of
> > creationist BS si=
> > > > > tes.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked
> > like 234=
> > > > > 9 to
> > > > > > > > 2348 BC=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > .
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee
> > =3DA0canop=
> > > > > y
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the
> > Noah's Flo=
> > > > > od
> > > > > > > > water cam=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > e from.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or
> > 'fountains of =
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. =A0Such as
> > the exp=
> > > > > lanation
> > > > > > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light
> > on eart=
> > > > > h
> > > > > > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
>
> > > > > > > > > > Life in those days was like being outside in the day time
> > during =
> > > > > a major
> > > > > > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick
> > clouds bu=
> > > > > t it's
> > > > > > > > > > not DARK outside.
>
> > > > > > > > > You can make this assertion from now until the day you die,
> > but it =
> > > > > won't
> > > > > > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact
> > is that=
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with
> > enough =
> > > > > water
> > > > > > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That is
> > a fact=
> > > > > .
>
> > > > > > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH guessing.
>
> > > > > > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physically
> > > > > > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of
> > > > > > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biological
> > > > > > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could be
> > dated to
> > > > > > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah's flood
> > > > > > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
>
> > > > > > > > We also don't know if the oceans contained MORE water than the
> > oceans
> > > > > > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the world
> > was co=
> > > > > vered
> > > > > > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would not
> > have h=
> > > > > ad to
> > > > > > > > be very thick.
>
> > > > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> > > > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is no
> > > > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlight
> > > > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the earth
> > > > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there is
> > > > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > > > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding water
> > > > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water to
> know that he lied.
> There is zero evidence a flood ever happened and lots of evidence one
> didn't, e.g., those civilisations that flourished during that
> period,
> maintained continuous records, etc. and never mentioned that everybody
> drowned.
>
> Harry K.
Yes, the continuous record and civilizations of Indian, Chinese and
even Egyptian as well as Greek !
> On May 2, 9:41 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 30, 11:38=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > In article
>
> > <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org=> > > >,
> > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
> > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > In article
>
> > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.c=
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
>
> > > > > > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
>
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
>
> > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
>
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:25=3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com
> > (Jason) w=
> > > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > tche=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ll
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>
> > > > > > > > >news:Jason-26041...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=3D
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>
> > > > > > > > > > > :
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>
> > > > > > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>
> > > > > > > > > > > m:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are documented as
> > > > > > > > history or l=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > egen=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > d in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0And those
> > legends m=
> > > > > ean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people believe
> > > > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe it are
> > > > > > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the legends mean that a global
> > flood on=
> > > > > ce
> > > > > > > > happened =3D
> > > > > > > > > > > on t=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0So a popular belief is
> > true just=
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > > it is p=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > opular.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0Does that mean the world
> > was onc=
> > > > > e flat,
> > > > > > > > just bec=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > ause
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. I have seen pictures of the earth that
> > were taken=
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > > outer =3D
> > > > > > > > > > > spac=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is
> > not fla=
> > > > > t.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other
> > evidenc=
> > > > > e
> > > > > > > > jsut as fi=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > rm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen.
>
> > =3D3DA0Evidence yo=
>
> > > > > u can
> > > > > > > > look up =3D
> > > > > > > > > > > and se=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of
> > creationist BS si=
> > > > > tes.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked
> > like 234=
> > > > > 9 to
> > > > > > > > 2348 BC=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > .
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee
> > =3DA0canop=
> > > > > y
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the
> > Noah's Flo=
> > > > > od
> > > > > > > > water cam=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > e from.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or
> > 'fountains of =
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. =A0Such as
> > the exp=
> > > > > lanation
> > > > > > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light
> > on eart=
> > > > > h
> > > > > > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
>
> > > > > > > > > > Life in those days was like being outside in the day time
> > during =
> > > > > a major
> > > > > > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick
> > clouds bu=
> > > > > t it's
> > > > > > > > > > not DARK outside.
>
> > > > > > > > > You can make this assertion from now until the day you die,
> > but it =
> > > > > won't
> > > > > > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact
> > is that=
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with
> > enough =
> > > > > water
> > > > > > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That is
> > a fact=
> > > > > .
>
> > > > > > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH guessing.
>
> > > > > > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physically
> > > > > > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of
> > > > > > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biological
> > > > > > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could be
> > dated to
> > > > > > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah's flood
> > > > > > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
>
> > > > > > > > We also don't know if the oceans contained MORE water than the
> > oceans
> > > > > > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the world
> > was co=
> > > > > vered
> > > > > > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would not
> > have h=
> > > > > ad to
> > > > > > > > be very thick.
>
> > > > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> > > > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is no
> > > > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlight
> > > > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the earth
> > > > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there is
> > > > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > > > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding water
> > > > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water to
> > > > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
>
> > > > > > We have discussed that issue before.
>
>
> > > > > > We have discussed that issue before.
>
> > > > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
>
> > > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water to
> > > > be placed on another planet.
>
> > > IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and
> > > out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any kind
> > > of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived through
> > > ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
>
> > I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> > about that subject.
>
> One only has to read genesis and then check the geological record to
> > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
>
> > > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water to
> > > > be placed on another planet.
>
> > > IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and
> > > out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any kind
> > > of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived through
> > > ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
>
> > I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> > about that subject.
>
> know that he lied.
> There is zero evidence a flood ever happened and lots of evidence one
> didn't, e.g., those civilisations that flourished during that
> period,
> maintained continuous records, etc. and never mentioned that everybody
> drowned.
>
> Harry K.
Yes, the continuous record and civilizations of Indian, Chinese and
even Egyptian as well as Greek !
Yap
May 4, 2012, 8:29:40 AM5/4/12
to
On May 3, 11:43 pm, Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2...@charter.net> wrote:
> On 5/3/2012 12:54 AM, Jason wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <5892a762-1dfe-41be-9c4e-a478c43ac...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Devils
> > Advocaat<mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> the biblical flood account?
>
> > I don't know. I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global flood
> > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any global
> had legends of a global flood were either Christian or New Age sites,
> and that they all cribbed from each other without *ever* giving
> references to any work by any historian or anthropologist or ethnologist
> who had actually studied ancient Egyptian culture.
>
> IOW, you found bullshit fantasies and outright lies on your side, and
> reasonably decent to excellent scholarship on the other, truthful,
> non-global-flood side.
>
> But that won't stop you from repeating this lie of yours the next time
> this comes up, will it, Jason?
>
> > I did not do any google searches related
> existence in the mid-third millennium BC, but I have studied them in
> both history courses at the bachelor's level and in archaeology courses
> at the graduate level. None of the historical or archaeological facts
> support a global flood at that time. Or, really, at any time.
>
> Repeat, there is *no, none, nada, kein, zip, bupkus, zero* historical or
> archaeological evidence for a world-engulfing flood in the mid-third
> millennium BC.
>
> And you expect us to believe that a global flood that could cut the
> Grand Canyon in weeks or months would leave no evidence whatsoever in
> the household goods of cultures we know extremely, extremely well?
>
> I guess you do expect us to believe that.
How would great Canyon be cut by flooding in one year to such a depth?
It would take a million years for that kind of canyon to be formed.
> On 5/3/2012 12:54 AM, Jason wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <5892a762-1dfe-41be-9c4e-a478c43ac...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Devils
> > Advocaat<mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> On May 3, 5:41=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >>> In article<dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >>> David Fritzinger<dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >> On May 3, 5:41=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >>> In article<dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >>> David Fritzinger<dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>> IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and
> >>>> out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any kind
> >>>> of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived through
> >>>> ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
>
> >>> I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> >>> about that subject.
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>> IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and
> >>>> out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any kind
> >>>> of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived through
> >>>> ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
>
> >>> I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> >>> about that subject.
>
> >> Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
> >> without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
> >> the biblical flood account?
>
> > I don't know. I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global flood
> > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any global
> > flood legends related to Egypt.
>
> And I did the same search, and found that all the sites that said Egypt
>
> had legends of a global flood were either Christian or New Age sites,
> and that they all cribbed from each other without *ever* giving
> references to any work by any historian or anthropologist or ethnologist
> who had actually studied ancient Egyptian culture.
>
> IOW, you found bullshit fantasies and outright lies on your side, and
> reasonably decent to excellent scholarship on the other, truthful,
> non-global-flood side.
>
> But that won't stop you from repeating this lie of yours the next time
> this comes up, will it, Jason?
>
> > I did not do any google searches related
> > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
>
> I not only did google searches on the other civilizations that were in
>
> existence in the mid-third millennium BC, but I have studied them in
> both history courses at the bachelor's level and in archaeology courses
> at the graduate level. None of the historical or archaeological facts
> support a global flood at that time. Or, really, at any time.
>
> Repeat, there is *no, none, nada, kein, zip, bupkus, zero* historical or
> archaeological evidence for a world-engulfing flood in the mid-third
> millennium BC.
>
> And you expect us to believe that a global flood that could cut the
> Grand Canyon in weeks or months would leave no evidence whatsoever in
> the household goods of cultures we know extremely, extremely well?
>
> I guess you do expect us to believe that.
How would great Canyon be cut by flooding in one year to such a depth?
It would take a million years for that kind of canyon to be formed.
Wombat
May 4, 2012, 8:29:43 AM5/4/12
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On May 4, 9:28 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-028ED4.18392003052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
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> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-0305121319380...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devils
463 in 3 days - go figure.
> In article <dfritzin-028ED4.18392003052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
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> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-0305121319380...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Wombat
May 4, 2012, 8:34:49 AM5/4/12
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Ye Floode and therefore were stil soft when the waters sluiced off the
land. Unfortunately, they neglect to explain how mile high cliffs of
mud stay up!
Caranx latus
May 4, 2012, 9:27:53 AM5/4/12
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Free Lunch
May 4, 2012, 10:34:12 AM5/4/12
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On Fri, 4 May 2012 05:29:43 -0700 (PDT), Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
If Jason didn't lie all the time, he wouldn't get nearly as many
responses or have to continue to repeat his lies.
Maybe Mary is getting upset with his dishonesty.
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
responses or have to continue to repeat his lies.
Maybe Mary is getting upset with his dishonesty.
tirebiter
May 4, 2012, 11:06:59 AM5/4/12
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harry k
May 4, 2012, 12:09:48 PM5/4/12
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On May 3, 11:58 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-896141.19065303052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > <Jason-0305121338150...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-2BA399.07142003052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > <Jason-0205122141440...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
For that explanation to work you also have to explain why he would:
1. Hide all the evidence there was a flood.
2. Trick you by manufacturing evidence showing no such flood occured.
3. Somehow forget to send the flood over Egypt, China and several
other civilisations tht lived right through it.
Harry K
> In article <dfritzin-896141.19065303052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > <Jason-0305121338150...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-2BA399.07142003052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > <Jason-0205122141440...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
1. Hide all the evidence there was a flood.
2. Trick you by manufacturing evidence showing no such flood occured.
3. Somehow forget to send the flood over Egypt, China and several
other civilisations tht lived right through it.
Harry K
Jason
May 4, 2012, 12:22:13 PM5/4/12
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In article
<38cb01b7-228b-4b92...@ee2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devil=
> s
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Since several civilisations continued through this alleged floo=
> d
> > > > > > > without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you =
> abou=3D
> al f=3D
> > > lood
> > > > > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any =
> glob=3D
> > > al
> > > > > > flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches =
> rela=3D
> >
> > 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood=
> .
> > She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device o=
<38cb01b7-228b-4b92...@ee2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devil=
> s
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Since several civilisations continued through this alleged floo=
> d
> > > > > > > without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you =
> abou=3D
> > > t
> > > > > > > the biblical flood account?
> >
> > > > > > I don't know.
> >
> > > > > Really?
> >
> > > > > > I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> > > > > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a glob=
> > > > > > > the biblical flood account?
> >
> > > > > > I don't know.
> >
> > > > > Really?
> >
> > > > > > I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> al f=3D
> > > lood
> > > > > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any =
> glob=3D
> > > al
> > > > > > flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches =
> rela=3D
> > > ted
> > > > > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
> >
> > > > > I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.
> >
> > > > > You've been told that several civilisations passed through the time
> > > > > your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
> >
> > > > > Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have from
> > > > > them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
> >
> > > > > Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
> >
> > > > > Your bible account also says the world was repopulated by just six =
> > > > > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
> >
> > > > > I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.
> >
> > > > > You've been told that several civilisations passed through the time
> > > > > your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
> >
> > > > > Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have from
> > > > > them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
> >
> > > > > Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
> >
> of
> > > > > those people.
> >
> > > > > Now try and think.
> >
> > > > > Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
> >
> > > > > What does that say to you about the biblical account?
> >
> > > > > It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
> >
> > > > It's very simple--God is a miracle working God and could have used
> > > > miracles to make it happen.
> >
> > > That doesn't address my question and you know it.
> >
> > > Now don't ask me to repeat the question.
> >
> > > Go back and read it and the points that I raised that lead to the
> > > question.
> >
> > You already know my point of view--Noah's Flood did happen and God made i=
> > > > > those people.
> >
> > > > > Now try and think.
> >
> > > > > Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
> >
> > > > > What does that say to you about the biblical account?
> >
> > > > > It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
> >
> > > > It's very simple--God is a miracle working God and could have used
> > > > miracles to make it happen.
> >
> > > That doesn't address my question and you know it.
> >
> > > Now don't ask me to repeat the question.
> >
> > > Go back and read it and the points that I raised that lead to the
> > > question.
> >
> t
> > happen. We believe the population started with just two people--Adam and
> > Eve.
> >
> > There is one belief among some Christians that God tried the creation
> > thing once before Adam and Eve and that was the reason Cain was able to
> > find a wife in a nearby town. Those people in that town were "left-overs"
> > from the first creation. I don't believe it. I believe he married one of
> > his sisters.
> >
> > I believe it is possible for 8 people to get it started--esp. if every ma=
> > happen. We believe the population started with just two people--Adam and
> > Eve.
> >
> > There is one belief among some Christians that God tried the creation
> > thing once before Adam and Eve and that was the reason Cain was able to
> > find a wife in a nearby town. Those people in that town were "left-overs"
> > from the first creation. I don't believe it. I believe he married one of
> > his sisters.
> >
> n
> > has several wives.
>
> So Noah's sons indulged in wife swapping.
>
> >
> > After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> > more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
> >
> > 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> > same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> > believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> > that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
> > Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other livin=
> > has several wives.
>
> So Noah's sons indulged in wife swapping.
>
> >
> > After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> > more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
> >
> > 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> > same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> > believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> > that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
> g
> > things and that living things only produce more living things like
> > themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis wil=
> > things and that living things only produce more living things like
> l
> > NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> > in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> > insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
>
> Especially when, as you have been told so many times, you are wrong.
>
> >
> > 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal t=
> > NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> > in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> > insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
>
> Especially when, as you have been told so many times, you are wrong.
>
> >
> o
> > murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> > dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> > people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> > baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
> > that I am correct. Abortion=3DMurder
> > murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> > dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> > people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> > baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
> >
> > 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood=
> .
> > I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> > times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> > that it did not happen.
>
> If you came up with physically possible answers things might have been
> different. Coming up with ad hoc assertions that contradicted what
> you wrote before did not help. Having no evidence for you assertions
> and refusing to look for it was not clever.
>
> >
> > 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
> > addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> > preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> > Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
> > with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend wit=
> > I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> > times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> > that it did not happen.
>
> If you came up with physically possible answers things might have been
> different. Coming up with ad hoc assertions that contradicted what
> you wrote before did not help. Having no evidence for you assertions
> and refusing to look for it was not clever.
>
> >
> > 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
> > addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> > preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> > Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
> h
> > Mary.
> >
> > 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> > My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> > since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> > back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> > day.
> >
> > 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunne=
> > Mary.
> >
> > 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> > My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> > since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> > back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> > day.
> >
> l
> > snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> > typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> > away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
> > grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day=
> > snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> > typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> > away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
> .
> > She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device o=
> n
> > her wrists.
>
> Sorry about your health problems. I would suggest you spend some time
> learning new things.
I plan to do that--thanks. My last post in this thread will be Sunday.
> > her wrists.
>
> Sorry about your health problems. I would suggest you spend some time
> learning new things.
Jason
May 4, 2012, 12:36:40 PM5/4/12
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In article
<204f1324-db80-46e9...@v2g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devil=
> s
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Since several civilisations continued through this alleged floo=
> d
> > > > > > > without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you =
> abou=3D
> al f=3D
> > > lood
> > > > > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any =
> glob=3D
> > > al
> > > > > > flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches =
> rela=3D
were 20 to 30 men and 30 to 50 women. In those cases--some of the men
could have more than one wife and each of the wives would have about 15 to
20 children. The people lived longer in those days according to the
information in the book of Genesis.
members of Planned Parenthood would tell people that a fetus was nothing
but a glob of tissue. They can't get away with that lie anymore. Due to
the new types of color ultrasound machines--it's easy to determine that a
third term fetus is an unborn baby and looks just like a baby. It is even
possible to determine the sex of the unborn baby. It's not a glob of
tissue--it's an unborn baby. The advocates of abortion in some states go
to court to put an end to any state laws that require pregnant women to
see ultrasounds of their babies before they can get an abortion. Think
about--why do you believe that is true? Hint--they don't want pregnant
women to realize that there is an unborn baby (not a glob of tissue) that
is inside of them.
> >
> > 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood=
of her 81 year old disabled father. Mary lives with me in my home.
> .
> > She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device o=
<204f1324-db80-46e9...@v2g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devil=
> s
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Since several civilisations continued through this alleged floo=
> d
> > > > > > > without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you =
> abou=3D
> > > t
> > > > > > > the biblical flood account?
> >
> > > > > > I don't know.
> >
> > > > > Really?
> >
> > > > > > I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> > > > > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a glob=
> > > > > > > the biblical flood account?
> >
> > > > > > I don't know.
> >
> > > > > Really?
> >
> > > > > > I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> al f=3D
> > > lood
> > > > > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any =
> glob=3D
> > > al
> > > > > > flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches =
> rela=3D
> > > ted
> > > > > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
> >
> > > > > I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.
> >
> > > > > You've been told that several civilisations passed through the time
> > > > > your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
> >
> > > > > Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have from
> > > > > them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
> >
> > > > > Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
> >
> > > > > Your bible account also says the world was repopulated by just six =
> > > > > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
> >
> > > > > I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.
> >
> > > > > You've been told that several civilisations passed through the time
> > > > > your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
> >
> > > > > Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have from
> > > > > them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
> >
> > > > > Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
> >
> of
> > > > > those people.
> >
> > > > > Now try and think.
> >
> > > > > Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
> >
> > > > > What does that say to you about the biblical account?
> >
> > > > > It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
> >
> > > > It's very simple--God is a miracle working God and could have used
> > > > miracles to make it happen.
> >
> > > That doesn't address my question and you know it.
> >
> > > Now don't ask me to repeat the question.
> >
> > > Go back and read it and the points that I raised that lead to the
> > > question.
> >
> > You already know my point of view--Noah's Flood did happen and God made i=
> > > > > those people.
> >
> > > > > Now try and think.
> >
> > > > > Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
> >
> > > > > What does that say to you about the biblical account?
> >
> > > > > It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
> >
> > > > It's very simple--God is a miracle working God and could have used
> > > > miracles to make it happen.
> >
> > > That doesn't address my question and you know it.
> >
> > > Now don't ask me to repeat the question.
> >
> > > Go back and read it and the points that I raised that lead to the
> > > question.
> >
> t
> > happen. We believe the population started with just two people--Adam and
> > Eve.
> >
> > There is one belief among some Christians that God tried the creation
> > thing once before Adam and Eve and that was the reason Cain was able to
> > find a wife in a nearby town. Those people in that town were "left-overs"
> > from the first creation. I don't believe it. I believe he married one of
> > his sisters.
> >
> > I believe it is possible for 8 people to get it started--esp. if every ma=
> > happen. We believe the population started with just two people--Adam and
> > Eve.
> >
> > There is one belief among some Christians that God tried the creation
> > thing once before Adam and Eve and that was the reason Cain was able to
> > find a wife in a nearby town. Those people in that town were "left-overs"
> > from the first creation. I don't believe it. I believe he married one of
> > his sisters.
> >
> n
> > has several wives.
>
> How could they have had several wives?
The children and grandchildren and great grandchildren--Let's say there
> > has several wives.
>
> How could they have had several wives?
were 20 to 30 men and 30 to 50 women. In those cases--some of the men
could have more than one wife and each of the wives would have about 15 to
20 children. The people lived longer in those days according to the
information in the book of Genesis.
> >
> > After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> > more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
> >
> > 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> > same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> > believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> > that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
> > Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other livin=
> > After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> > more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
> >
> > 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> > same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> > believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> > that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
> g
> > things and that living things only produce more living things like
> > themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis wil=
> > things and that living things only produce more living things like
> l
> > NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> > in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> > insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
>
> You got that right, especially as all the evidence shows you are
> wrong.
> >
> > 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal t=
> > NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> > in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> > insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
>
> You got that right, especially as all the evidence shows you are
> wrong.
> >
> o
> > murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> > dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> > people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> > baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
> > that I am correct. Abortion=3DMurder
> > murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> > dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> > people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> > baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
>
> And you've been told while you might find it morally repugnant and
> unacceptable, it is not murder. And you've been told why that is the
> case.
Yes, that is what lots of people believe. Back in the 1970's--the staff
> And you've been told while you might find it morally repugnant and
> unacceptable, it is not murder. And you've been told why that is the
> case.
members of Planned Parenthood would tell people that a fetus was nothing
but a glob of tissue. They can't get away with that lie anymore. Due to
the new types of color ultrasound machines--it's easy to determine that a
third term fetus is an unborn baby and looks just like a baby. It is even
possible to determine the sex of the unborn baby. It's not a glob of
tissue--it's an unborn baby. The advocates of abortion in some states go
to court to put an end to any state laws that require pregnant women to
see ultrasounds of their babies before they can get an abortion. Think
about--why do you believe that is true? Hint--they don't want pregnant
women to realize that there is an unborn baby (not a glob of tissue) that
is inside of them.
> >
> > 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood=
> .
> > I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> > times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> > that it did not happen.
>
> We know it didn't happen, because there is no observable evidence for
> it.
> >
> > 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
> > addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> > preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> > Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
> > with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend wit=
> > I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> > times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> > that it did not happen.
>
> We know it didn't happen, because there is no observable evidence for
> it.
> >
> > 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
> > addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> > preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> > Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
> h
> > Mary.
>
> So you go to Mary's house to help her, and you spend most of your time
> on the computer while there.
Actually, I go to my neighbor's (named Sarah) house to help her take care
> > Mary.
>
> So you go to Mary's house to help her, and you spend most of your time
> on the computer while there.
of her 81 year old disabled father. Mary lives with me in my home.
>
> No wonder she's annoyed with you.
> >
> > 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> > My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> > since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> > back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> > day.
>
> The best thing for a bad back, which was demonstrated years ago here
> in the UK, is regular, gentle exercise. Why? Because sitting, or
> laying down for too long each day makes the back muscles weaker.
> >
> > 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunne=
> No wonder she's annoyed with you.
> >
> > 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> > My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> > since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> > back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> > day.
>
> The best thing for a bad back, which was demonstrated years ago here
> in the UK, is regular, gentle exercise. Why? Because sitting, or
> laying down for too long each day makes the back muscles weaker.
> >
> l
> > snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> > typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> > away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
> > grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day=
> > snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> > typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> > away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
> .
> > She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device o=
> n
> > her wrists.
>
> No one's fault but your own.
You are correct--that is why my last post in this thread will be Sunday.
> > her wrists.
>
> No one's fault but your own.
Jason
May 4, 2012, 12:39:32 PM5/4/12
to
In article
<cef8974a-e535-4358...@p21g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On May 4, 9:28=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-028ED4.18392003052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-0305121319380...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, D=
> de it
> > > > happen. We believe the population started with just two people--Adam =
> to
> > > > find a wife in a nearby town. Those people in that town were "left-ov=
> ers"
> > > > from the first creation. I don't believe it. I believe he married one=
> of
> > > > his sisters.
> >
> > > > I believe it is possible for 8 people to get it started--esp. if ever=
> the
> > > > same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I on=
> ce
> > > > believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesi=
> s
> > > > that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law o=
> f
> > > > Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other l=
> will
> > > > NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid th=
> al to
> > > > murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remo=
> ve
> > > > dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. M=
> any
> > > > people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unbo=
> rn
> > > > baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince peo=
> lood.
> > > > I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of differen=
> t
> > > > times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters belie=
> t.
> > > > Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spend=
> ing
> > > > with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend=
> se.
> > > > My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per=
> day
> > > > since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to=
> do
> > > > back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises e=
> unnel
> > > > snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot=
> of
> > > > typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that proble=
> day.
> > > > She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a devi=
<cef8974a-e535-4358...@p21g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On May 4, 9:28=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-028ED4.18392003052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-0305121319380...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> evils
> > > > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On May 3, 7:27=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > [snipped for brevity]
> >
> > > > > > > > > Since several civilisations continued through this alleged =
> > > > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On May 3, 7:27=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > [snipped for brevity]
> >
> flood
> > > > > > > > > without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to
> > you abou=3D
> > > > > > > > > without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to
> > > > > t
> > > > > > > > > the biblical flood account?
> >
> > > > > > > > I don't know.
> >
> > > > > > > Really?
> >
> > > > > > > > I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> > > > > > > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a
> > global f=3D
> > > > > > > > > the biblical flood account?
> >
> > > > > > > > I don't know.
> >
> > > > > > > Really?
> >
> > > > > > > > I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> > > > > > > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a
> > > > > lood
> > > > > > > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT
> > any glob=3D
> > > > > > > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT
> > > > > al
> > > > > > > > flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google
> > searches rela=3D
> > > > > > > > flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google
> > > > > ted
> > > > > > > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
> >
> > > > > > > I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.
> >
> > > > > > > You've been told that several civilisations passed through the =
> > > > > > > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
> >
> > > > > > > I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.
> >
> time
> > > > > > > your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
> >
> > > > > > > Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have fr=
> > > > > > > your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
> >
> om
> > > > > > > them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
> >
> > > > > > > Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
> >
> > > > > > > Your bible account also says the world was repopulated by just =
> > > > > > > them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
> >
> > > > > > > Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
> >
> six of
> > > > > > > those people.
> >
> > > > > > > Now try and think.
> >
> > > > > > > Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
> >
> > > > > > > What does that say to you about the biblical account?
> >
> > > > > > > It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
> >
> > > > > > It's very simple--God is a miracle working God and could have use=
> > > > > > > those people.
> >
> > > > > > > Now try and think.
> >
> > > > > > > Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
> >
> > > > > > > What does that say to you about the biblical account?
> >
> > > > > > > It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
> >
> d
> > > > > > miracles to make it happen.
> >
> > > > > That doesn't address my question and you know it.
> >
> > > > > Now don't ask me to repeat the question.
> >
> > > > > Go back and read it and the points that I raised that lead to the
> > > > > question.
> >
> > > > You already know my point of view--Noah's Flood did happen and God ma=
> > > > > > miracles to make it happen.
> >
> > > > > That doesn't address my question and you know it.
> >
> > > > > Now don't ask me to repeat the question.
> >
> > > > > Go back and read it and the points that I raised that lead to the
> > > > > question.
> >
> de it
> > > > happen. We believe the population started with just two people--Adam =
> and
> > > > Eve.
> >
> > > > There is one belief among some Christians that God tried the creation
> > > > thing once before Adam and Eve and that was the reason Cain was able =
> > > > Eve.
> >
> > > > There is one belief among some Christians that God tried the creation
> to
> > > > find a wife in a nearby town. Those people in that town were "left-ov=
> ers"
> > > > from the first creation. I don't believe it. I believe he married one=
> of
> > > > his sisters.
> >
> > > > I believe it is possible for 8 people to get it started--esp. if ever=
> y man
> > > > has several wives.
> >
> > > Do you want to run that one by us again? There were 8 people. Noah and
> > > his wife, their 3 sons and their wives. How on earth could each of them
> > > have several wives?
> >
> > > > After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very m=
> > > > has several wives.
> >
> > > Do you want to run that one by us again? There were 8 people. Noah and
> > > his wife, their 3 sons and their wives. How on earth could each of them
> > > have several wives?
> >
> any
> > > > more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
> >
> > > > 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing =
> > > > more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
> >
> the
> > > > same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I on=
> ce
> > > > believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesi=
> s
> > > > that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law o=
> f
> > > > Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other l=
> iving
> > > > things and that living things only produce more living things like
> > > > themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis=
> > > > things and that living things only produce more living things like
> will
> > > > NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid th=
> eory
> > > > in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> > > > insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
> >
> > > It is even more difficult to convince people when they know far more
> > > about the subject than you do. That you are intentionally ignorant make=
> > > > in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> > > > insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
> >
> > > It is even more difficult to convince people when they know far more
> s
> > > that task even harder.
> >
> > > > 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equ=
> > > that task even harder.
> >
> al to
> > > > murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remo=
> ve
> > > > dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. M=
> any
> > > > people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unbo=
> rn
> > > > baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince peo=
> ple
> > > > that I am correct. Abortion=3DMurder
> >
> > > > that I am correct. Abortion=3DMurder
> >
> > > That is something having to do with personal belief. You have that
> > > belief. Our point is, and always has been that we aren't forcing our
> > > point of view on you, so don't try to force your point of view on us.
> >
> > > > 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's F=
> > > belief. Our point is, and always has been that we aren't forcing our
> > > point of view on you, so don't try to force your point of view on us.
> >
> lood.
> > > > I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of differen=
> t
> > > > times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters belie=
> ve
> > > > that it did not happen.
> >
> > > Your problem is that you have been presented evidence that the flood
> > > never happened,, and you just go on as if it was never presented. You
> > > are asked questions about the supposed flood and come up with
> > > nonsensical answers.
> >
> > > > 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I =
> > > > that it did not happen.
> >
> > > Your problem is that you have been presented evidence that the flood
> > > never happened,, and you just go on as if it was never presented. You
> > > are asked questions about the supposed flood and come up with
> > > nonsensical answers.
> >
> am
> > > > addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> > > > preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correc=
> > > > addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> t.
> > > > Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spend=
> ing
> > > > with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend=
> with
> > > > Mary.
> >
> > > That is the first good reason you presented. Of course, things would be
> > > far better for you if you actually did some research before responding
> > > to posts. In many cases, your answers are nonsensical, In other cases
> > > they are lies. You are provided with solid evidence about many subjects=
> > > > Mary.
> >
> > > That is the first good reason you presented. Of course, things would be
> > > far better for you if you actually did some research before responding
> > > to posts. In many cases, your answers are nonsensical, In other cases
> ,
> > > such as the lies of the ICR, Limbaugh, etc., and you go on as if the
> > > evidence was never presented to you. Finally, when you try to respond t=
> > > such as the lies of the ICR, Limbaugh, etc., and you go on as if the
> o
> > > requests for information, all you do is give the first 10 results of a
> > > Google search, without even bothering to look at them. Usually, your ow=
> > > requests for information, all you do is give the first 10 results of a
> n
> > > search results prove you wrong.
> >
> > > > 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disea=
> > > search results prove you wrong.
> >
> se.
> > > > My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per=
> day
> > > > since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to=
> do
> > > > back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises e=
> ach
> > > > day.
> >
> > > By all means, do the exercise.
> >
> > > > 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal t=
> > > > day.
> >
> > > By all means, do the exercise.
> >
> unnel
> > > > snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot=
> of
> > > > typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that proble=
> m go
> > > > away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
> > > > grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per=
> > > > away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
> day.
> > > > She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a devi=
> ce on
> > > > her wrists.
> >
> > > Again, answer fewer posts, but try to be more thorough in your answers.
> >
> > I tried to respond to as many as are possible each day--it was very time
> > consuming. Mary is getting upset with me for spending to much time
> > responding to posts. It's interfering with my life. One poster claimed
> > that we broke some records in regard to posts. I don't know.
>
> 463 in 3 days - go figure.
That is why Mary is very upset with me.
> > > > her wrists.
> >
> > > Again, answer fewer posts, but try to be more thorough in your answers.
> >
> > I tried to respond to as many as are possible each day--it was very time
> > consuming. Mary is getting upset with me for spending to much time
> > responding to posts. It's interfering with my life. One poster claimed
> > that we broke some records in regard to posts. I don't know.
>
> 463 in 3 days - go figure.
Jason
May 4, 2012, 12:43:01 PM5/4/12
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In article <m5q7q7lpullcfs9ms...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
No--she does not read my posts.
She is mainly upset because I spend more time on the computer instead of
getting the various chores done. Responding to posts is more fun than
boring chores and back exercises that are painful to do. However, those
exercises need to be done to get rid of the back problems. I also need to
start walking a mile a day instead of spending hours a day responding to
posts. My last post in this thread will be Sunday.
She is mainly upset because I spend more time on the computer instead of
getting the various chores done. Responding to posts is more fun than
boring chores and back exercises that are painful to do. However, those
exercises need to be done to get rid of the back problems. I also need to
start walking a mile a day instead of spending hours a day responding to
posts. My last post in this thread will be Sunday.
Jason
May 4, 2012, 12:49:08 PM5/4/12
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In article <eMQor.21950$%K4....@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus
According to Genesis chapter 7:6--Noah was 600 years old when Noah's Flood
began. The ages of various offspring of Moses are listed in chaper 11.
Many of the children and grandchildren of Noah lived to be over 100
hundred years old.
Shem (vs 10) was 100 years old when he begat a son named Arphax.
began. The ages of various offspring of Moses are listed in chaper 11.
Many of the children and grandchildren of Noah lived to be over 100
hundred years old.
Shem (vs 10) was 100 years old when he begat a son named Arphax.
Jason
May 4, 2012, 12:51:01 PM5/4/12
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In article <dfritzin-E67DB8...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Some websites did mention a global flood in Egypt--they were all Christian
sites according to one poster. My last post in this thread will be on
Sunday.
sites according to one poster. My last post in this thread will be on
Sunday.
tirebiter
May 4, 2012, 12:44:31 PM5/4/12
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On May 4, 12:43 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <m5q7q7lpullcfs9msnn5f1rasjgock8...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
So, you not only broadcast your selfish nature online, but you exhibit
it in your real life too.
You take pride to announce that your vile nature is consistent.
---
a.a. #2273
> In article <m5q7q7lpullcfs9msnn5f1rasjgock8...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
it in your real life too.
You take pride to announce that your vile nature is consistent.
---
a.a. #2273
tirebiter
May 4, 2012, 12:48:53 PM5/4/12
to
On May 4, 12:51 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-E67DB8.06352404052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
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> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-0405120030440...@66-53-213-6.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > >> <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > >> Devils
> > > > >> Advocaat<mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
There are dozens of cataclysmic flood myths among many cultures. None
of them are provable and none of them coincide. That is the very
first thing that has to be confirmed before you start touting that
they support your idiotic flood myth. You failed again.
Announcing the day you will run away like the lying coward you are, is
another sign of your narcissistic nature.
---
a.a. #2273
> In article <dfritzin-E67DB8.06352404052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
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> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-0405120030440...@66-53-213-6.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <DAFor.93$fs3...@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus
>
> > > In article <DAFor.93$fs3...@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus
> > > <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 5/3/2012 6:39 PM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-0305121319380...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
> > > > On 5/3/2012 6:39 PM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > >> <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > >> Devils
> > > > >> Advocaat<mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
of them are provable and none of them coincide. That is the very
first thing that has to be confirmed before you start touting that
they support your idiotic flood myth. You failed again.
Announcing the day you will run away like the lying coward you are, is
another sign of your narcissistic nature.
---
a.a. #2273
tirebiter
May 4, 2012, 12:54:28 PM5/4/12
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On May 4, 12:49 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <eMQor.21950$%K4.9...@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus
> > >>>> <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
> Devils
And if you go to the 7 and a half floor of a certain Manhattan office
building, you'll enter John Malkovich's mind.
It's all fiction Jason. Else you could provide even a smidgen of
evidence to support these preposterous stories.
---
a.a. #2273
> In article <eMQor.21950$%K4.9...@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus
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> <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 5/4/2012 3:30 AM, Jason wrote:
> > > In article<DAFor.93$fs3...@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus
> > > <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 5/4/2012 3:30 AM, Jason wrote:
> > > In article<DAFor.93$fs3...@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus
>
> > >> On 5/3/2012 6:39 PM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > >>> In article
> > >>> <Jason-0305121319380...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> On 5/3/2012 6:39 PM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > >>> In article
> > >>>> <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
> Devils
building, you'll enter John Malkovich's mind.
It's all fiction Jason. Else you could provide even a smidgen of
evidence to support these preposterous stories.
---
a.a. #2273
Jason
May 4, 2012, 1:42:36 PM5/4/12
to
In article
<e8faad5c-d455-469a...@t2g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>, Yap
<hhya...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 3, 11:43=A0pm, Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2...@charter.net> wrote:
> > On 5/3/2012 12:54 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <5892a762-1dfe-41be-9c4e-a478c43ac...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Dev=
> ils
> > > Advocaat<mankygo...@gmail.com> =A0wrote:
> >
> > >> On May 3, 5:41=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >>> In article<dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>=
> ,
> > >>> David Fritzinger<dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> =A0wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >>>> IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into an=
> d
> > >>>> out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any ki=
> nd
> > >>>> of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived thro=
The river at the bottom of the canyon has also played a role. My last post
in this thread will be Sunday.
<e8faad5c-d455-469a...@t2g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>, Yap
<hhya...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 3, 11:43=A0pm, Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2...@charter.net> wrote:
> > On 5/3/2012 12:54 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> ils
> > > Advocaat<mankygo...@gmail.com> =A0wrote:
> >
> > >> On May 3, 5:41=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >>> In article<dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>=
> ,
> > >>> David Fritzinger<dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> =A0wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >>>> IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into an=
> d
> > >>>> out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any ki=
> nd
> > >>>> of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived thro=
> ugh
> > >>>> ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
> >
> > >>> I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> > >>> about that subject.
> >
> > >> Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
> > >> without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
> > >> the biblical flood account?
> >
> > > I don't know. I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global flo=
> > >>>> ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
> >
> > >>> I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> > >>> about that subject.
> >
> > >> Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
> > >> without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
> > >> the biblical flood account?
> >
> > > I don't know. I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
in this thread will be Sunday.
Jason
May 4, 2012, 1:43:34 PM5/4/12
to
In article
<b9d883e0-7578-4a30...@cl4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On May 4, 2:29=A0pm, Yap <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> evils
> > > > Advocaat<mankygo...@gmail.com> =A0wrote:
> >
> > > >> On May 3, 5:41=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > >>> In article<dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.or=
> g>,
> > > >>> David Fritzinger<dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> =A0wrote:
> >
> > > <snip>
> >
> > > >>>> IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into =
> and
> > > >>>> out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any =
> kind
> > > >>>> of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived th=
> od
> > > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global f=
> lood
> > > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any glob=
<b9d883e0-7578-4a30...@cl4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On May 4, 2:29=A0pm, Yap <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 3, 11:43=A0pm, Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2...@charter.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 5/3/2012 12:54 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > In article
> > > > <5892a762-1dfe-41be-9c4e-a478c43ac...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, D=
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 5/3/2012 12:54 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > In article
> evils
> > > > Advocaat<mankygo...@gmail.com> =A0wrote:
> >
> > > >> On May 3, 5:41=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > >>> In article<dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.or=
> g>,
> > > >>> David Fritzinger<dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> =A0wrote:
> >
> > > <snip>
> >
> > > >>>> IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into =
> and
> > > >>>> out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any =
> kind
> > > >>>> of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived th=
> rough
> > > >>>> ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
> >
> > > >>> I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide detai=
> > > >>>> ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
> >
> ls
> > > >>> about that subject.
> >
> > > >> Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
> > > >> without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
> > > >> the biblical flood account?
> >
> > > > I don't know. I only done a quick google search related to Global Flo=
> > > >>> about that subject.
> >
> > > >> Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
> > > >> without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
> > > >> the biblical flood account?
> >
> od
> > > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global f=
> lood
> > > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any glob=
> al
> > > > flood legends related to Egypt.
> >
> > > And I did the same search, and found that all the sites that said Egypt
> > > had legends of a global flood were either Christian or New Age sites,
> > > and that they all cribbed from each other without *ever* giving
> > > references to any work by any historian or anthropologist or ethnologis=
> > > > flood legends related to Egypt.
> >
> > > And I did the same search, and found that all the sites that said Egypt
> > > had legends of a global flood were either Christian or New Age sites,
> > > and that they all cribbed from each other without *ever* giving
> t
> > > who had actually studied ancient Egyptian culture.
> >
> > > IOW, you found bullshit fantasies and outright lies on your side, and
> > > reasonably decent to excellent scholarship on the other, truthful,
> > > non-global-flood side.
> >
> > > But that won't stop you from repeating this lie of yours the next time
> > > this comes up, will it, Jason?
> >
> > > > I did not do any google searches related
> > > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
> >
> > > I not only did google searches on the other civilizations that were in
> > > existence in the mid-third millennium BC, but I have studied them in
> > > both history courses at the bachelor's level and in archaeology courses
> > > at the graduate level. None of the historical or archaeological facts
> > > support a global flood at that time. Or, really, at any time.
> >
> > > Repeat, there is *no, none, nada, kein, zip, bupkus, zero* historical o=
> > > who had actually studied ancient Egyptian culture.
> >
> > > IOW, you found bullshit fantasies and outright lies on your side, and
> > > reasonably decent to excellent scholarship on the other, truthful,
> > > non-global-flood side.
> >
> > > But that won't stop you from repeating this lie of yours the next time
> > > this comes up, will it, Jason?
> >
> > > > I did not do any google searches related
> > > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
> >
> > > I not only did google searches on the other civilizations that were in
> > > existence in the mid-third millennium BC, but I have studied them in
> > > both history courses at the bachelor's level and in archaeology courses
> > > at the graduate level. None of the historical or archaeological facts
> > > support a global flood at that time. Or, really, at any time.
> >
> r
> > > archaeological evidence for a world-engulfing flood in the mid-third
> > > millennium BC.
> >
> > > And you expect us to believe that a global flood that could cut the
> > > Grand Canyon in weeks or months would leave no evidence whatsoever in
> > > the household goods of cultures we know extremely, extremely well?
> >
> > > I guess you do expect us to believe that.
> >
> > How would great Canyon be cut by flooding in one year to such a depth?
> > It would take a million years for that kind of canyon to be formed.
>
> The YECs seem to think that the layers of sediment were laid down by
> Ye Floode and therefore were stil soft when the waters sluiced off the
> land. Unfortunately, they neglect to explain how mile high cliffs of
> mud stay up!
The river also played a role.
> > > archaeological evidence for a world-engulfing flood in the mid-third
> > > millennium BC.
> >
> > > And you expect us to believe that a global flood that could cut the
> > > Grand Canyon in weeks or months would leave no evidence whatsoever in
> > > the household goods of cultures we know extremely, extremely well?
> >
> > > I guess you do expect us to believe that.
> >
> > How would great Canyon be cut by flooding in one year to such a depth?
> > It would take a million years for that kind of canyon to be formed.
>
> The YECs seem to think that the layers of sediment were laid down by
> Ye Floode and therefore were stil soft when the waters sluiced off the
> land. Unfortunately, they neglect to explain how mile high cliffs of
> mud stay up!
Jason
May 4, 2012, 1:44:46 PM5/4/12
to
In article
<a2b5efb4-93a4-4c96...@e15g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > <6ae03c89-953d-426e-a56a-ce9cc0094...@l4g2000pbv.googlegroups.com>, harry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > <6d8b31cb-72eb-47f3-bfe1-81f134a22...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, =
> harr=3D
> > > y
> >
> > > > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.co=
> m>, =3D
> > > harr=3D3D
> > > > > y
> >
> > > <major snip of JS> =A0JS - Jason shit
> >
> > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > God could have done it several different ways. One pastor claimed=
> God=3D
> > > =A0use=3D3D
> > > > > d
> > > > > > Noah's Flood to do it since it was God way of letting everyone kn=
> ow t=3D
> > > hat
> > > > > > he was cleansing the world of evil people.
> >
> > > > > OMG! =3DA0 ROFLMAO!!!. =3DA0So he kills everybody and then explains=
> to them
> > > > > =3DA0why? =3DA0JAAYYYZUSSS!!!
> >
> > > > > The next time--God will use
> > > > > > FIRE to destroy the evil people that are in the world at that tim=
> e. A=3D
> > > fter
> > > > > > that fire is over, God will create a perfect world on this earth-=
> -rea=3D
> > > d th=3D3D
> > > > > e
> > > > > > last two chapters of the Bible to find out the details of what th=
> at n=3D
> > > ew
> > > > > > world will be like. Also, see John 3:16.
> >
> > > > > So why didn't he create that perfect world the first time. =3DA0Aft=
> er all
> > > > > he is
> > > > > =3DA0"all knowing' and therefore knew his first attempt would fail.=
> .;and
> > > > > his second.
> >
> > > > > What, He is so incompetent he needs practice to get it right?
> >
> > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > No--it's more complicated. God has given people two chances to get it
> > > > right and we failed both times. The third time--God will take over th=
> e
> > > > earth and will get it right. Read the last two chapters of the Bible =
> for
> > > > the details. The third time is the charm.
> >
> > > So you admit he needed two tries, read practice, and still didn't get
> > > it right.
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > He learned that mankind can't rule the world. The next time--after the
> > world is destroyed with Fire--God will make the earth into a paradise and
> > will take control over the earth--read the last two chapters to find out
> > what that world will be like. Read this:
> >
> > 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood=
> h
> > Mary.
> .
> > She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device o=
> n
> > her wrists.
>
> Was it really necessary to repeat this cri de coeur FIVE times?
yes
<a2b5efb4-93a4-4c96...@e15g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > <6ae03c89-953d-426e-a56a-ce9cc0094...@l4g2000pbv.googlegroups.com>, harry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > <6d8b31cb-72eb-47f3-bfe1-81f134a22...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, =
> harr=3D
> > > y
> >
> > > > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.co=
> m>, =3D
> > > harr=3D3D
> > > > > y
> >
> > > <major snip of JS> =A0JS - Jason shit
> >
> > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > God could have done it several different ways. One pastor claimed=
> God=3D
> > > =A0use=3D3D
> > > > > d
> > > > > > Noah's Flood to do it since it was God way of letting everyone kn=
> ow t=3D
> > > hat
> > > > > > he was cleansing the world of evil people.
> >
> > > > > OMG! =3DA0 ROFLMAO!!!. =3DA0So he kills everybody and then explains=
> to them
> > > > > =3DA0why? =3DA0JAAYYYZUSSS!!!
> >
> > > > > The next time--God will use
> > > > > > FIRE to destroy the evil people that are in the world at that tim=
> e. A=3D
> > > fter
> > > > > > that fire is over, God will create a perfect world on this earth-=
> -rea=3D
> > > d th=3D3D
> > > > > e
> > > > > > last two chapters of the Bible to find out the details of what th=
> at n=3D
> > > ew
> > > > > > world will be like. Also, see John 3:16.
> >
> > > > > So why didn't he create that perfect world the first time. =3DA0Aft=
> er all
> > > > > he is
> > > > > =3DA0"all knowing' and therefore knew his first attempt would fail.=
> .;and
> > > > > his second.
> >
> > > > > What, He is so incompetent he needs practice to get it right?
> >
> > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > No--it's more complicated. God has given people two chances to get it
> > > > right and we failed both times. The third time--God will take over th=
> e
> > > > earth and will get it right. Read the last two chapters of the Bible =
> for
> > > > the details. The third time is the charm.
> >
> > > So you admit he needed two tries, read practice, and still didn't get
> > > it right.
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > He learned that mankind can't rule the world. The next time--after the
> > world is destroyed with Fire--God will make the earth into a paradise and
> > will take control over the earth--read the last two chapters to find out
> > what that world will be like. Read this:
> >
> > After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> > more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
> >
> > 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> > same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> > believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> > that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
> > Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other livin=
> > After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> > more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
> >
> > 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> > same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> > believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> > that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
> g
> > things and that living things only produce more living things like
> > themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis wil=
> > things and that living things only produce more living things like
> l
> > NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> > in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> > insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
> >
> > 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal t=
> > NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> > in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> > insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
> >
> o
> > murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> > dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> > people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> > baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
> > that I am correct. Abortion=3DMurder
> > murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> > dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> > people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> > baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
> >
> > 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood=
> .
> > I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> > times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> > that it did not happen.
> >
> > I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> > times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> > that it did not happen.
> >
> > 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
> > addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> > preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> > Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
> > with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend wit=
> > addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> > preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> > Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
> h
> > Mary.
> >
> > 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> > My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> > since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> > back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> > day.
> >
> > 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunne=
> > 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> > My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> > since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> > back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> > day.
> >
> l
> > snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> > typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> > away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
> > grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day=
> > snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> > typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> > away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
> .
> > She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device o=
> n
> > her wrists.
>
> Was it really necessary to repeat this cri de coeur FIVE times?
yes
tirebiter
May 4, 2012, 1:41:19 PM5/4/12
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Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-04051...@66-53-218-248.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>>
>> Was it really necessary to repeat this cri de coeur FIVE times?
>
> yes
>
>
>
No it wasn't. It wasn't necessary once. You are announcing that you are
running away like a coward. It was expected.
---
a.a. #2273
news:Jason-04051...@66-53-218-248.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>>
>> Was it really necessary to repeat this cri de coeur FIVE times?
>
> yes
>
>
>
running away like a coward. It was expected.
---
a.a. #2273
David Fritzinger
May 4, 2012, 2:07:28 PM5/4/12
to
In article
<Jason-03051...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA048470AE7324...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > news:Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <dfritzin-6DF3B8...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > >> <Jason-01051...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >
> > The Bible doesn't provide any details about
> > this "canopy" but you believe IT well enough.
>
> Only because it explains the source of the Noah's Flood water.
Since it is a physical impossibility, it does no such thing.
<Jason-03051...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA048470AE7324...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > news:Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <dfritzin-6DF3B8...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > >> <Jason-01051...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> > >> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all
> > >> > > > > the oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of
> > >> > > > > that. There is no way your canopy could contain that much
> > >> > > > > water and still have sunlight come through. Not to mention
> > >> > > > > that the heat and pressure of the earth under such a canopy
> > >> > > > > would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there is nowhere for
> > >> > > > > the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > >> > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of
> > >> > > > > holding water would have been full. And still, there would
> > >> > > > > have been enough water to cover the earth to a depth of 5.5
> > >> > > > > miles. Where did it go?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > the oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of
> > >> > > > > that. There is no way your canopy could contain that much
> > >> > > > > water and still have sunlight come through. Not to mention
> > >> > > > > that the heat and pressure of the earth under such a canopy
> > >> > > > > would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there is nowhere for
> > >> > > > > the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > >> > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of
> > >> > > > > holding water would have been full. And still, there would
> > >> > > > > have been enough water to cover the earth to a depth of 5.5
> > >> > > > > miles. Where did it go?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers
> > >> > > so the "issue" is still wide open.
> > >> >
> > >> > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood
> > >> > water and after the flood was over--God could have caused the
> > >> > excessive water to be placed on another planet.
> > >>
> > >> IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and
> > >> > > so the "issue" is still wide open.
> > >> >
> > >> > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood
> > >> > water and after the flood was over--God could have caused the
> > >> > excessive water to be placed on another planet.
> > >>
> > >> out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any
> > >> kind of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived
> > >> through ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
> > >
> > > I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> > > about that subject.
> >
> >
> > Since when has that stopped you?
> > > I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> > > about that subject.
> >
> >
> >
> > The Bible doesn't provide any details about
> > this "canopy" but you believe IT well enough.
>
> Only because it explains the source of the Noah's Flood water.
Since it is a physical impossibility, it does no such thing.
Caranx latus
May 4, 2012, 2:22:28 PM5/4/12
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On May 4, 1:44 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
<snip>
> > > After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> > > more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
<snip>
> > Was it really necessary to repeat this cri de coeur FIVE times?
>
> yes
Umm... no. There is no need for you to announce the reason or the date
for your departure. You're not that important. No one is.
I don't even know why you're waiting for Sunday. If there are problems
that you need to deal with, deal with them. Planned procrastination is
nothing more than hoping that the problems go away on their own.
> Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
<snip>
> > > After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> > > more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
> > Was it really necessary to repeat this cri de coeur FIVE times?
>
> yes
for your departure. You're not that important. No one is.
I don't even know why you're waiting for Sunday. If there are problems
that you need to deal with, deal with them. Planned procrastination is
nothing more than hoping that the problems go away on their own.
David Fritzinger
May 4, 2012, 2:24:54 PM5/4/12
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In article
<Jason-04051...@66-53-218-248.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
How many times are you going to tell us that.
BTW, you did nothing to support your idea of when the flood occurred,
since the Egyptians, and several other civilizations never noticed their
drowning and just kept merrily living along. I wonder how that happened.
<Jason-04051...@66-53-218-248.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
BTW, you did nothing to support your idea of when the flood occurred,
since the Egyptians, and several other civilizations never noticed their
drowning and just kept merrily living along. I wonder how that happened.
Jason
May 4, 2012, 2:34:46 PM5/4/12
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In article
<96bd2af3-bc86-4ff0...@ot8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 3, 11:58=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-896141.19065303052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-0305121338150...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <dfritzin-2BA399.07142003052...@news.eternal-september.org=
> >
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september=
> > > > > > > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwes=
> > > > > > > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroup=
> > > > > > > > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible a=
> was a
> > > > > flood, God lied about it. That means that the god you worship is a =
> liar.
> >
> > > > The Bible is not a science book. The story about the flood was passed=
> down
> > > > from generation to generation (oral tradition) until Moses wrote down=
> the
> > > > story. That is probably the reason lots of details got left out. It's=
been found at the top of the Grand Canyon.
I googled "Global Flood legends Egypt" and got some hits about a global
flood that happened in Egypt. Yes, they were Christian sites.
<96bd2af3-bc86-4ff0...@ot8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 3, 11:58=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-896141.19065303052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-0305121338150...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >
> > > > In article <dfritzin-2BA399.07142003052...@news.eternal-september.org=
> >,
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-0205122141440...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-0205122141440...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september=
> > > > > > > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwes=
> > > > > > > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroup=
> > > > > > > > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible a=
> nswers
> > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> > > > > > > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's
> > > > Flood water
> > > > > > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the exces=
> > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> > > > > > > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's
> > > > Flood water
> sive
> > > > > > > > water
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > be placed on another planet.
> >
> > > > > > > IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water in=
> > > > > > > > water
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > be placed on another planet.
> >
> to and
> > > > > > > out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of
> > any kind
> > > > > > > of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived
> > through
> > > > > > > ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
> >
> > > > > > I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide det=
> > > > > > > out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of
> > any kind
> > > > > > > of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived
> > through
> > > > > > > ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
> >
> ails
> > > > > > about that subject.
> >
> > > > > In your scenario, God left no evidence that a flood occurred, and
> > > > > copious amounts of evidence that it never did. Therefore, if there =
> > > > > > about that subject.
> >
> > > > > In your scenario, God left no evidence that a flood occurred, and
> was a
> > > > > flood, God lied about it. That means that the god you worship is a =
> liar.
> >
> > > > The Bible is not a science book. The story about the flood was passed=
> down
> > > > from generation to generation (oral tradition) until Moses wrote down=
> the
> > > > story. That is probably the reason lots of details got left out. It's=
> too
> > > > bad we don't have a witness to what the world was like prior to the
> > > > flood--such as--was there a canopy?
> >
> > > You are changing the subject again, which you always seem to do when
> > > caught in a lie. The fact is there is no evidence for a worldwide flood=
> > > > bad we don't have a witness to what the world was like prior to the
> > > > flood--such as--was there a canopy?
> >
> > > You are changing the subject again, which you always seem to do when
> ,
> > > physical or biological. There are a number of civilizations that seemed
> > > not to have noticed that they had all drowned, which is not good
> > > evidence for the flood. Finally, much of the flood is physically
> > > impossible, since you still haven't been able to come up with an
> > > explanation of where the water came from and where it went. Therefore,
> > > if there was a flood, it is clear that God lie, since he seemingly hid
> > > all evidence of its ocurrence.
> >
> > God is a miracle working God and use miracles to make it all happen.
>
> For that explanation to work you also have to explain why he would:
> 1. Hide all the evidence there was a flood.
> 2. Trick you by manufacturing evidence showing no such flood occured.
> 3. Somehow forget to send the flood over Egypt, China and several
> other civilisations tht lived right through it.
>
> Harry K
The evidence is present such as the Grand Canyon. Ocean Fish Fossils have
> > > physical or biological. There are a number of civilizations that seemed
> > > not to have noticed that they had all drowned, which is not good
> > > evidence for the flood. Finally, much of the flood is physically
> > > impossible, since you still haven't been able to come up with an
> > > explanation of where the water came from and where it went. Therefore,
> > > if there was a flood, it is clear that God lie, since he seemingly hid
> > > all evidence of its ocurrence.
> >
> > God is a miracle working God and use miracles to make it all happen.
>
> For that explanation to work you also have to explain why he would:
> 1. Hide all the evidence there was a flood.
> 2. Trick you by manufacturing evidence showing no such flood occured.
> 3. Somehow forget to send the flood over Egypt, China and several
> other civilisations tht lived right through it.
>
> Harry K
been found at the top of the Grand Canyon.
I googled "Global Flood legends Egypt" and got some hits about a global
flood that happened in Egypt. Yes, they were Christian sites.
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