Received: by 10.68.227.230 with SMTP id sd6mr7244431pbc.8.1333981491576; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 07:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Path: r9ni36774pbh.0!nntp.google.com!news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!js1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: harry k Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,alt.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,sci.anthropology.paleo Subject: Re: Lucy FACTOID 101 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 330 Message-ID: References: <0a3cbce2-f997-44e0-ac30-60313f8dec4e@h4g2000pbe.googlegroups.com> <948fdeae-60d5-4e0b-8f92-ae9e146ed6ea@n19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> <01422fe9-908d-4c6f-a491-42c98807c29f@w5g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.37.141.91 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1333981491 19173 127.0.0.1 (9 Apr 2012 14:24:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: js1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=71.37.141.91; posting-account=jZdbDgkAAACI76ud0qXmlzWS9nlCDG3K User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; Trident/5.0),gzip(gfe) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Apr 8, 1:10=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article > <01422fe9-908d-4c6f-a491-42c98807c...@w5g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Devil= s > > > > > > Advocaat wrote: > > On Apr 8, 7:36=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article > > > <948fdeae-60d5-4e0b-8f92-ae9e146ed...@n19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Devils Advocaat wrote: > > > > On Apr 7, 7:58=3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article > > > > > <0a3cbce2-f997-44e0-ac30-60313f8de...@h4g2000pbe.googlegroups.com= >, h=3D > > arry > > > > > > k wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 5, 11:14=3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > m>, =3D3D > > > > harr=3D3D3D > > > > > > y > > > > > > > > k wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 1:05=3D3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote= : > > > > > > > > > In article > mber=3D3D > > > > .org=3D3D3D > > > > > > >, > > > > > > > > > > David Fritzinger wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > > > > m>, > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In article > epte=3D3D > > > > mber=3D3D3D > > > > > > .org=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > >, > > > > > > > > > > > David Fritzinger wr= ote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article , > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand your point of view since I subscribe= d to=3D > > =A0Nat=3D3D > > > > iona=3D3D3D > > > > > > l > > > > > > > > > Geographic > > > > > > > > > > > > > magazine for about 5 years and they said the same= kin=3D > > ds o=3D3D > > > > f th=3D3D3D > > > > > > ings=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0that > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > say in your posts. However, you still don't under= stan=3D > > d my=3D3D > > > > =3DA0poi=3D3D3D > > > > > > nt o=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > f view > > > > > > > > > > > > > about how life came to be on this planet. It's re= ally=3D > > =A0ver=3D3D > > > > y si=3D3D3D > > > > > > mple=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your explanation below shows that you understand no= thin=3D > > g of=3D3D > > > > =3DA0wha=3D3D3D > > > > > > t I =3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > said, > > > > > > > > > > > > and I suspect you are afraid to understand what I s= aid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God created lots of different types of creatures.= The=3D > > =A0cre=3D3D > > > > atur=3D3D3D > > > > > > es i=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > n the > > > > > > > > > > > > > world today evolved from those creatures. The sci= enti=3D > > sts =3D3D > > > > as a=3D3D3D > > > > > > =3D3DA0res=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > ult of > > > > > > > > > > > > > detailed DNA studies will eventually figure out w= hat =3D > > the =3D3D > > > > staf=3D3D3D > > > > > > f me=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > mbers > > > > > > > > > > > > > employed by ICR have already figured out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You explained nothing. Again, we are talking about = a pr=3D > > otei=3D3D > > > > n th=3D3D3D > > > > > > at h=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > identical properties in all animals, from bony fish= on =3D > > up t=3D3D > > > > o ma=3D3D3D > > > > > > mmal=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > s. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, as the morphology of the organism changes so t= hat =3D > > any =3D3D > > > > two =3D3D3D > > > > > > orga=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > nisms > > > > > > > > > > > > are classified at greater distances from one anothe= r, t=3D > > he s=3D3D > > > > eque=3D3D3D > > > > > > nce > > > > > > > > > > > > differences in this same protein (with identical pr= oper=3D > > ties=3D3D > > > > =3DA0sti=3D3D3D > > > > > > ll) =3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > greater. Your drivel above does not explain that, u= nles=3D > > s yo=3D3D > > > > u ar=3D3D3D > > > > > > e ag=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > ain > > > > > > > > > > > > postulating a trickster god. > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no trickster god. Eventually, secular scien= tist=3D > > s wi=3D3D > > > > ll f=3D3D3D > > > > > > igur=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > e out > > > > > > > > > > > the same things that the staff members employed by IC= R ha=3D > > ve a=3D3D > > > > lrea=3D3D3D > > > > > > dy > > > > > > > > > > > figured out. It may take another 100 years. It's my g= uess=3D > > =A0tha=3D3D > > > > t DN=3D3D3D > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > research projects will help them figure out the truth= . > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, canines have been on the world for a ver= y lo=3D > > ng p=3D3D > > > > erio=3D3D3D > > > > > > d of > > > > > > > > > > > time--they have NOT evolved into animals that are not= can=3D > > ines=3D3D > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > For a man to have evolved from a one-celled life form= --th=3D > > ousa=3D3D > > > > nds =3D3D3D > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > species changes would have to had taken place. We don= 't s=3D > > ee t=3D3D > > > > hat =3D3D3D > > > > > > sort=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0of > > > > > > > > > > > major species changes in creatures living today. Inst= ead-=3D > > -can=3D3D > > > > ines=3D3D3D > > > > > > =3D3DA0hav=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > e > > > > > > > > > > > continued to be canines. > > > > > > > > > > > You still haven't explained anything. All you have done= is =3D > > repe=3D3D > > > > at t=3D3D3D > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > same meaningless phrases, over and over again. Now, go = back=3D > > =A0and=3D3D > > > > =3DA0rea=3D3D3D > > > > > > d > > > > > > > > > > what I wrote about proteins doing exactly the same thin= g in=3D > > =A0wid=3D3D > > > > ely > > > > > > > > > > divergent organisms. These proteins have different sequ= ence=3D > > s, a=3D3D > > > > nd t=3D3D3D > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > number of differences are related to the relatedness of= the=3D > > =A0org=3D3D > > > > anis=3D3D3D > > > > > > ms. > > > > > > > > > > In some cases, the gene structure of the proteins are k= nown=3D > > , an=3D3D > > > > d in=3D3D3D > > > > > > =3D3DA0the > > > > > > > > > > protein I am thinking of, the gene structure is identic= al b=3D > > etwe=3D3D > > > > en h=3D3D3D > > > > > > uman=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > s > > > > > > > > > > and all other mammals, and nearly identical between hum= ans =3D > > and =3D3D > > > > rept=3D3D3D > > > > > > iles > > > > > > > > > > and between humans and birds. How do you explain this? = Evol=3D > > utio=3D3D > > > > n an=3D3D3D > > > > > > d > > > > > > > > > > common descent explains it well, and the explanation ha= s be=3D > > en t=3D3D > > > > este=3D3D3D > > > > > > d an=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > d > > > > > > > > > > shown to be correct. How do you explain it? > > > > > > > > > > > Don't go back to the garbage non-explanation that scien= tist=3D > > s wi=3D3D > > > > ll s=3D3D3D > > > > > > ome > > > > > > > > > > day be as smart as the liars at the ICR, because that w= ill =3D > > neve=3D3D > > > > r ha=3D3D3D > > > > > > ppen=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > Explain the phenomenon I just described. > > > > > > > > > > > If the animals were created that way, then the only exp= lana=3D > > tion=3D3D > > > > =3DA0is =3D3D3D > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > trickster god, since he went out of his way to make thi= ngs =3D > > look > > > > > > > > > > differently than they actually are. > > > > > > > > > > Scientists will eventually figure out the same things tha= t IC=3D > > R st=3D3D > > > > aff > > > > > > > > > members have already figured out. I believe DNA studies w= ill =3D > > help=3D3D > > > > =3DA0the=3D3D3D > > > > > > m > > > > > > > > > prove it. > > > > > > > > > So you expect science to find stuff that overturns all know= n la=3D > > ws o=3D3D > > > > f > > > > > > > > physics? > > > > > > > > That is what it would take before science will accept a glo= bal > > > > > > > > flood...well, that plus some evidenc e of one. > > > > > > > > > Harry K > > > > > > > > If they want to find out the truth--they will have to follow = the =3D > > evid=3D3D > > > > ence=3D3D3D > > > > > > . > > > > > > > The evidence trail will lead to the garden of eden. > > > > > > > Odd that in all the time people have been searching for it, it = has > > > > > > never been found. > > > > > > > Harry K > > > > > > As time goes on, there will be more and more detailed DNA researc= h pr=3D > > ojec=3D3D > > > > ts. > > > > > But they will never reveal what you want them to reveal Jason. > > > > I have faith that scientists will even. figure out the truth. > > > Jason, DNA research, no matter how detailed will ever support your > > tenuous religious beliefs, beliefs which often contradict the word of > > your own alleged god. > > I have faith that some of them will make use of DNA detailed research > projects to prove that God created life on this planet. Don't hold your breath. That is a likely as someone actually finding Ye Arke. Harry K