Received: by 10.204.150.90 with SMTP id x26mr102343bkv.6.1333795284506; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 03:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Path: h15ni96051bkw.0!nntp.google.com!news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!9g2000yqp.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Devils Advocaat Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,alt.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,sci.anthropology.paleo Subject: Re: Jason and Genetic Diseases Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 03:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 320 Message-ID: <10031530-137d-4abf-85ff-01035d80185c@9g2000yqp.googlegroups.com> References: <1992b3bd-8e18-47cd-b3c0-e083a5875e11@n19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> <37bc6952-a173-4f9c-8c59-96376c7b834e@d17g2000vba.googlegroups.com> <27152bf2-ea92-4ce3-b9f3-cbe91a59ab24@o4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.41.67.242 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1333795284 25346 127.0.0.1 (7 Apr 2012 10:41:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 10:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 9g2000yqp.googlegroups.com; posting-host=217.41.67.242; posting-account=4GfIfgoAAADaiZw7okWRhagASwbfxs6r User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.151 Safari/535.19,gzip(gfe) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Apr 7, 7:34=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > In article > , Devils > > > > > > > > > > Advocaat wrote: > > On Apr 5, 8:37=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > In article > > > <27152bf2-ea92-4ce3-b9f3-cbe91a59a...@o4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, D= evil=3D > > s > > > > Advocaat wrote: > > > > On Apr 5, 7:18=3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > In article > > > > > <37bc6952-a173-4f9c-8c59-96376c7b8...@d17g2000vba.googlegroups.co= m>, > > > > > > Devils Advocaat wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 5, 6:48=3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > m>, > > > > > > > > Devils Advocaat wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 12:04=3D3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrot= e: > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > > <1992b3bd-8e18-47cd-b3c0-e083a5875...@n19g2000yqk.googleg= roup=3D > > s.co=3D3D > > > > m>, > > > > > > > > > > Devils Advocaat wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 4, 6:55=3D3D3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason)= wrote=3D > > : > > > > > > > > > > > In article > 131>=3D3D > > > > , Mi=3D3D3D > > > > > > tche=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > ll > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in > > > > > > > > > > > >news:Jason-0304121557440001@66.53.222.97: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > > > > > > > r.or=3D3D > > > > g>, =3D3D3D > > > > > > Davi=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > d > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fritzinger wrot= e: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> In article = , > > > > > > > > > > > > >> =3D3D3D3D3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > In article <4f7b6ff...@news.x-privat.org>, "Ev= a" > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > "Jason" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >news:Jason-0304121256450001@66.53.222.97... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Adam and Eve did not have any genetic prob= lems=3D > > . Th=3D3D > > > > e ch=3D3D3D > > > > > > ildr=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > en > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > and grandchildren of Adam and Eve had no g= enet=3D > > ic p=3D3D > > > > robl=3D3D3D > > > > > > ems =3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > or a=3D3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > > > t > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > very least > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > very few genetic problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > huh? There is no such thing mentioned in the= bib=3D > > le. =3D3D > > > > =3D3D3D3D3=3D3D3D > > > > > > DA0Why=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0do yo=3D3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > up like this and destroy your credibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > That means incest was not a problem in those > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > days. That is one of the reasons people li= ved =3D > > very=3D3D > > > > =3DA0lon=3D3D3D > > > > > > g li=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > ves > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > in those days. Each successive generation = has =3D > > more=3D3D > > > > =3DA0gen=3D3D3D > > > > > > etic > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > problems. Some > > > > > > > > > > > > > types of > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > heart disease are caused by genetic proble= ms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > The telemeres dictate length of life, not wh= ethe=3D > > r yo=3D3D > > > > u're=3D3D3D > > > > > > =3D3DA0INB=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > RED > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Adam and Eve had telemeres that are far superi= or t=3D > > o th=3D3D > > > > e te=3D3D3D > > > > > > leme=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > res > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > in any people that are alive today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Do you even have the slightest idea of what a te= lome=3D > > re i=3D3D > > > > s? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I read an article in a health magazine about= tel=3D > > omer=3D3D > > > > es. =3D3D3D > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > telomeres are probably very short since most of m= y re=3D > > lati=3D3D > > > > ves =3D3D3D > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancestors died before the age of 70. I am now 61.= My =3D > > sist=3D3D > > > > er d=3D3D3D > > > > > > ied =3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > result of a heart attack at the age of 62. The au= thor=3D > > =A0of =3D3D > > > > the =3D3D3D > > > > > > arti=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > cle > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicated that a supplement called Resveratrol ca= n he=3D > > lp i=3D3D > > > > n re=3D3D3D > > > > > > gard=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0to > > > > > > > > > > > > > telomeres. I now take that supplement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3D3DA0 You could just drink re= d wine, =3D > > as Jesus=3D3D > > > > =3DA0himself=3D3D3D > > > > > > =3D3DA0did. > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/red-wine/HB00089 > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but they did not have Resveratrol supplements to= tak=3D > > e in=3D3D > > > > =3DA0tho=3D3D3D > > > > > > se d=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > ays. > > > > > > > > > > > I do recall reading that Resveratrol works even bette= r th=3D > > an r=3D3D > > > > ed w=3D3D3D > > > > > > ine.=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0Red > > > > > > > > > > > wine can cause liver problems if you drink too much o= f it=3D > > =A0eac=3D3D > > > > h da=3D3D3D > > > > > > y of=3D3D3D3D > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0the > > > > > > > > > > > week. > > > > > > > > > > > No human studies have been carried out with respect to = the =3D > > alle=3D3D > > > > ged > > > > > > > > > > anti-ageing properties of this supplement. So my sugges= tion=3D > > =A0to =3D3D > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > would be stop wasting your money. > > > > > > > > > > I do believe some studies have been done but they may not= hav=3D > > e be=3D3D > > > > en d=3D3D3D > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > on animals. > > > > > > > > > Jason, pay attention, no studies of the alleged anti-ageing= pro=3D > > pert=3D3D > > > > ies > > > > > > > > of this supplement have been carried out on humans. > > > > > > > > > This means any studies that have been done were carried out= on > > > > > > > > animals. > > > > > > > > > So stop wasting your money Jason. > > > > > > > > I disagree--lots of drugs are first tested out on animals. > > > > > > > Read what I posted carefully Jason. > > > > > > > Did I say no studies were done on animals? No, I didn't. > > > > > > > Did I say no studies were done on humans? Yes, I did. > > > > > > > So your recent response makes no sense. > > > > > > Tests on animals are better than no tests at all. > > > > > The results of such animal testing don't always guarantee the same > > > > results for humans. > > > > > So the probability is very high that you are wasting your money on > > > > something that is doing you no good. > > > > > That is why I have suggested you stop buying this supplement. > > > > > What if it turns out that regular ingestion of this supplement > > > > increases the risk of cancer? > > > > > Would you then blame the manufacturer if you got cancer? > > > > OK--I read both of my heart related books that were written by doctor= s. > > > They don't mention any studies about resveratrol so that means you ap= pear > > > to be correct. > > > And to date there have been no human studies on this supplement. > > > So it isn't a case of my appearing to be correct. > > > Given the available evidence, I am correct. > > > > However, one of the doctors (named Mark C. Houston) is a > > > professor of Medicine at Vanderbilt University and he recommends that > > > people that heart disease should take resveratrol. He states on page = 88 > > > that Resveratrol lowers blood pressure, combats endothelial dysfuctio= n, > > > and inhibits blood clots. > > > > Of course, he is discusing the type of resveratrol that is made from = the > > > grapes that are used to make red wine. > > > > The title of his book is WHAT YOUR DOCTOR MAY NOT TELL YOU ABOUT HEAR= T DI=3D > > SEASE > > > > I believe some studies have been done related to the use of red wine. > > > > Do I believe you or do I believe a doctor that is a professor of medi= cine=3D > > ? > > > Given that he isn't referring to studies done on the supplement you > > are taking. > > > Given that no human studies have been done on the supplement you are > > taking. > > > Given that animal studies don't always translate to human studies and > > produce the same results. > > > And given that I am not the source of what I have told you. > > > I would suggest again that you stop taking this supplement. > > > What you do is down to you. > > > After all you rarely accept the truth from people that don't share > > your point of view. > > > And one last thing. > > > Don't presume that I am on your level on anything. > > I copied the following from the catalog: > > Resveratrol Complex--includes standardized red wine extract, grapeseed an= d > resveratrol. The red wine extract contains the skin and pulp of the grape= s > that are used to make red wine. This addresses my points, how?