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David Fritzinger
Mar 30, 2012, 7:57:53 AM3/30/12
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In article
<Jason-29031...@66-53-214-147.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-80B07A...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Jason-28031...@66.53.221.101>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > In article <dfritzin-4E45CB...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > > Stop lying, lying Jason. The real reason is as I explained. Creationism
> > > > just isn't science. Never has been, never will be. There is no testable
> > > > "theory of creationism", meaning it can't be science. Not to mention
> > > > the
> > > > fact that even you have admitted it is a religious dogma. Religion
> > > > should not be taught in public schools. Especially not in science
> > > > class.
> > > >
> > > > For once in your life, will you finally stop lying?
> > >
> > > Thank goodness for Christian schools and home schooling programs. At
> > > least
> > > some children are learning the truth about how life came to be on this
> > > planet.
> >
> > Yeah, we need more burger flippers.
> >
> > Kids who are taught the lies you want taught will never make it into
> > science. This will result in far fewer scientists and engineers in the
> > US, which will eventually have us end up as a third world country. Tell
> > me, Jason, why do you hate the US so much? What did the country do to
> > you that you want to destroy it?
> >
> > By the way, why do you worship a trickster god? You claim all of these
> > things, but the evidence says exactly the opposite. Therefore, your
> > trickster god must be planting evidence to fool us. Why are you
> > worshipping a trickster god? You have yet to answer this question.
> >
> > Oh yes, speaking of unanswered questions, where did the water go?
>
> They are also taught evolution since their teachers know they will need
> that information to help them pass college biology 101 classes.
So, you are saying they are taught what they believe are lies? What kind
of Christian would tell lies to their children?
Why are you ignoring my question about where the water went?
<Jason-29031...@66-53-214-147.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-80B07A...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Jason-28031...@66.53.221.101>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > In article <dfritzin-4E45CB...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > > Stop lying, lying Jason. The real reason is as I explained. Creationism
> > > > just isn't science. Never has been, never will be. There is no testable
> > > > "theory of creationism", meaning it can't be science. Not to mention
> > > > the
> > > > fact that even you have admitted it is a religious dogma. Religion
> > > > should not be taught in public schools. Especially not in science
> > > > class.
> > > >
> > > > For once in your life, will you finally stop lying?
> > >
> > > Thank goodness for Christian schools and home schooling programs. At
> > > least
> > > some children are learning the truth about how life came to be on this
> > > planet.
> >
> > Yeah, we need more burger flippers.
> >
> > Kids who are taught the lies you want taught will never make it into
> > science. This will result in far fewer scientists and engineers in the
> > US, which will eventually have us end up as a third world country. Tell
> > me, Jason, why do you hate the US so much? What did the country do to
> > you that you want to destroy it?
> >
> > By the way, why do you worship a trickster god? You claim all of these
> > things, but the evidence says exactly the opposite. Therefore, your
> > trickster god must be planting evidence to fool us. Why are you
> > worshipping a trickster god? You have yet to answer this question.
> >
> > Oh yes, speaking of unanswered questions, where did the water go?
>
> They are also taught evolution since their teachers know they will need
> that information to help them pass college biology 101 classes.
So, you are saying they are taught what they believe are lies? What kind
of Christian would tell lies to their children?
Why are you ignoring my question about where the water went?
Jason
Mar 30, 2012, 1:16:14 PM3/30/12
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In article <dfritzin-F07384...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation explains how life came
to be on this planet and evolution explains what happened after the
creation process was finished. As various posters have told
me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution theory.
to be on this planet and evolution explains what happened after the
creation process was finished. As various posters have told
me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution theory.
David Fritzinger
Mar 30, 2012, 1:53:00 PM3/30/12
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In article <Jason-30031...@66-53-216-63.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
So you accept that humans are closely related to the other apes, like
the evidence shows? You accept that mammals evolved from reptiles, birds
from dinosaurs, whales from land-dwelling animals, etc? Or, are you
lying again?
the evidence shows? You accept that mammals evolved from reptiles, birds
from dinosaurs, whales from land-dwelling animals, etc? Or, are you
lying again?
Greg Carr
Mar 30, 2012, 5:25:46 PM3/30/12
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On Mar 30, 4:57 am, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com>
wrote:
> In article
> <Jason-2903121318210...@66-53-214-147.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-80B07A.08342429032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > In article <Jason-2803122128370...@66.53.221.101>,
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > In article <dfritzin-4E45CB.21570528032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
The water evaporated, went back underground, became ice at the poles.
wrote:
> In article
> <Jason-2903121318210...@66-53-214-147.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-80B07A.08342429032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > In article <Jason-2803122128370...@66.53.221.101>,
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > In article <dfritzin-4E45CB.21570528032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Jason
Mar 30, 2012, 7:30:30 PM3/30/12
to
In article <dfritzin-FD41B0...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Great question. Humans and apes are related since the same God created
both humans and apes and as a result used similar features in both of
them.
Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken place. However,
I do believe that God did create about a dozen types of birds and all
birds evolved from those birds. Did some birds evolve from unique types of
dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that God created whales. They did not
evolve from land-dwelling animals.
both humans and apes and as a result used similar features in both of
them.
Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken place. However,
I do believe that God did create about a dozen types of birds and all
birds evolved from those birds. Did some birds evolve from unique types of
dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that God created whales. They did not
evolve from land-dwelling animals.
ala
Mar 30, 2012, 9:35:30 PM3/30/12
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"Jason" <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote in
message news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...
> Evolution related to reptiles, animals and
birds has taken place. However,
> I do believe that God did create about a dozen types of birds and all
> birds evolved from those birds. Did some birds evolve from unique types of
> dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that God created whales. They did not
> evolve from land-dwelling animals.
>
>
> I do believe that God did create about a dozen types of birds and all
> birds evolved from those birds. Did some birds evolve from unique types of
> dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that God created whales. They did not
> evolve from land-dwelling animals.
>
>
it's a good thing that Santorum won't make
president or vp
i would not want to know kids were being taught to
think such things
Santorum’s chances for VP slot slim
By Christian Heinze - 03/28/12 05:00 AM ET
Rick Santorum said this week that “of course” he would consider the vice presidential slot if Mitt Romney wins the Republican nomination.
“I’ll do whatever is necessary to help our country,” he said in an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network.
but there are a few reasons why it’s extremely unlikely he’ll
ever have the chance to serve his country in that capacity.
First, it’s
always a tall task to morph from being a candidate’s biggest opponent to his
greatest defender, but that’s essentially what Santorum would be doing.
And he would have to pivot from arguing that Romney is the worst possible Republican to nominate to explaining why the former Massachusetts governor is the most qualified person to lead the free world. That’s tricky.
Politicians, of course, are notoriously adept at turning on politically convenient dimes, and it’s perfectly normal and expected for primary opponents to unite for the general election. But Santorum hasn’t been an ordinary primary opponent.
For over two years, he’s been railing against Romney for the Massachusetts healthcare plan, accumulating an impressive array of quotes Team Obama could use against Romney.
They all reached a crescendo in a February speech at the Mayo Clinic in which Santorum argued that Romney was “disqualified” from prosecuting the war on President Obama’s healthcare law. Romney has made repealing the president’s signature domestic policy initiative an important part of his campaign, but Santorum is on record as saying Romney’s disqualified from that argument.
Imagine a fall debate in which Obama could tell Romney, “Hey, everyone says your law is the same as my law — even your own vice presidential pick!”
But the former Pennsylvania senator has hurt his cause most dramatically in a series of statements over the past week that has left even his conservative defenders woozy.
At a campaign event in San Antonio, he took his accusation that Romney is a “Massachusetts moderate” a bit further than usual, and essentially argued that there was no difference between Obama and Romney.
Free Lunch
Mar 30, 2012, 9:40:30 PM3/30/12
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 15:30:30 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
No. Humans are great apes. The evidence shows us clearly that God never
created humans separately. Whoever tells you that God did create humans
separately is telling a falsehood.
>Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken place. However,
>I do believe that God did create about a dozen types of birds and all
>birds evolved from those birds. Did some birds evolve from unique types of
>dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that God created whales. They did not
>evolve from land-dwelling animals.
Your beliefs are based entirely on your ignorance and foolish pride.
alt.talk.creationism:
created humans separately. Whoever tells you that God did create humans
separately is telling a falsehood.
>Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken place. However,
>I do believe that God did create about a dozen types of birds and all
>birds evolved from those birds. Did some birds evolve from unique types of
>dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that God created whales. They did not
>evolve from land-dwelling animals.
ala
Mar 30, 2012, 10:19:18 PM3/30/12
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news:Jason-30031...@66-53-216-63.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...
>
> Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation explains how life came
> to be on this planet and evolution explains what happened after the
> creation process was finished. As various posters have told
> me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution theory.
>
>
the headline says it all we have to make sure the department of education is
well funded
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/education/218637-secretary-duncan-mission-not-yet-accomplished
Secretary Duncan: Mission not yet accomplished
By Emmanuel Touhey, Comment Editor, The Hill - 03/27/12 08:42 PM ET
Education Secretary Arne Duncan will testify this Wednesday before the House
Education and Workforce Committee on his department's budget. He spoke to
The Hill's comment editor, Emmanuel Touhey, about his priorities and his
political future. Here's an edited excerpt of that interview.
Q: "We can't wait" has become a mantra with this administration. How did it
get to this point as it relates to education?
Well, unfortunately, when you have a Congress that isn't working well
together you either just sort of stay on the sidelines and stop working or
you just keep trying to get things done. And No Child Left Behind has been
broken for a long time, and we desperately wanted Congress to fix it and to
fix it in a bipartisan way . but that didn't happen, so we had the
flexibility to go out and partner directly with states. When we were
thinking about this I called 45, 46 governors from across the political
spectrum. Every single one said go forward, every single one said "thank
goodness someone in Washington is paying attention," and we've provided
relief flexibility to 11 states already. We have 27 who we're reviewing this
week.
Q: What do you say to critics on Capitol Hill who say that you have
overstepped your bounds?
We absolutely have the authority, the previous administration used the same
authority, so there's nothing new here. I've said repeatedly this was Plan
B, and when and if Congress gets their act together and wants to work and
fix the No Child Left Behind law for the entire country, then we'll back
off. But until that point, again, we feel a real sense of urgency to partner
with hard-working folks across the country who are trying to raise
graduation rates and reduce drop-out rates and make sure more students are
college- and career-ready, and we feel very fortunate to be a good partner
to them.
Q: Is Congress totally dysfunctional?
Well, I'm not the political expert here. It is disheartening to see, given
the tremendous needs I see. but you look at the public approval of Congress,
that's not something anyone in Congress can feel good about or be proud of.
It's easy to point fingers. I'm not interested in pointing fingers or laying
the blame. You know, tomorrow's always a new day, and there's an
opportunity, a huge opportunity, for folks to come together and really help
get the country in a stronger place.
Q: You said you'd be willing to back off if Congress got its act together.
The Senate [Health, Education, Labor and Pensions] Committee has a bill.
Would that be a good starting point?
It's a starting point, and it was done in a bipartisan way. For me it's
always about both the policy but also the process for getting there. This
has to be done in a bipartisan way. There are some things we liked in there,
there are some things we didn't like. What's been interesting is because of
the opportunity to go through the waiver process we've seen this tremendous
outpouring of creativity and innovation coming from the states themselves,
and some fantastic ideas that are out there. So when the House and Senate
start to work, I really hope they don't do this in isolation, they look at
these great things that are happening . across the nation and take some of
the best ideas from there, and I think from a policy side, that would make
the ultimate reauthorization that much stronger.
Q: You're about to testify on Capitol Hill this week with regard to your
budget. What's your message to the members?
Well, we just have to continue to invest. We have to invest not in the
status quo but in the vision of reform, but when you look at Congressman
[Paul] Ryan's [(R-Wis.)] budget, it would have just devastating impacts on
education, huge reductions in access to Pell Grants, huge reductions in
funding for children who live below the poverty line, children with special
needs. That directionally is not where the country needs to go. We need to
educate our way to a better economy.
>
> Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation explains how life came
> to be on this planet and evolution explains what happened after the
> creation process was finished. As various posters have told
> me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution theory.
>
>
well funded
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/education/218637-secretary-duncan-mission-not-yet-accomplished
Secretary Duncan: Mission not yet accomplished
By Emmanuel Touhey, Comment Editor, The Hill - 03/27/12 08:42 PM ET
Education Secretary Arne Duncan will testify this Wednesday before the House
Education and Workforce Committee on his department's budget. He spoke to
The Hill's comment editor, Emmanuel Touhey, about his priorities and his
political future. Here's an edited excerpt of that interview.
Q: "We can't wait" has become a mantra with this administration. How did it
get to this point as it relates to education?
Well, unfortunately, when you have a Congress that isn't working well
together you either just sort of stay on the sidelines and stop working or
you just keep trying to get things done. And No Child Left Behind has been
broken for a long time, and we desperately wanted Congress to fix it and to
fix it in a bipartisan way . but that didn't happen, so we had the
flexibility to go out and partner directly with states. When we were
thinking about this I called 45, 46 governors from across the political
spectrum. Every single one said go forward, every single one said "thank
goodness someone in Washington is paying attention," and we've provided
relief flexibility to 11 states already. We have 27 who we're reviewing this
week.
Q: What do you say to critics on Capitol Hill who say that you have
overstepped your bounds?
We absolutely have the authority, the previous administration used the same
authority, so there's nothing new here. I've said repeatedly this was Plan
B, and when and if Congress gets their act together and wants to work and
fix the No Child Left Behind law for the entire country, then we'll back
off. But until that point, again, we feel a real sense of urgency to partner
with hard-working folks across the country who are trying to raise
graduation rates and reduce drop-out rates and make sure more students are
college- and career-ready, and we feel very fortunate to be a good partner
to them.
Q: Is Congress totally dysfunctional?
Well, I'm not the political expert here. It is disheartening to see, given
the tremendous needs I see. but you look at the public approval of Congress,
that's not something anyone in Congress can feel good about or be proud of.
It's easy to point fingers. I'm not interested in pointing fingers or laying
the blame. You know, tomorrow's always a new day, and there's an
opportunity, a huge opportunity, for folks to come together and really help
get the country in a stronger place.
Q: You said you'd be willing to back off if Congress got its act together.
The Senate [Health, Education, Labor and Pensions] Committee has a bill.
Would that be a good starting point?
It's a starting point, and it was done in a bipartisan way. For me it's
always about both the policy but also the process for getting there. This
has to be done in a bipartisan way. There are some things we liked in there,
there are some things we didn't like. What's been interesting is because of
the opportunity to go through the waiver process we've seen this tremendous
outpouring of creativity and innovation coming from the states themselves,
and some fantastic ideas that are out there. So when the House and Senate
start to work, I really hope they don't do this in isolation, they look at
these great things that are happening . across the nation and take some of
the best ideas from there, and I think from a policy side, that would make
the ultimate reauthorization that much stronger.
Q: You're about to testify on Capitol Hill this week with regard to your
budget. What's your message to the members?
Well, we just have to continue to invest. We have to invest not in the
status quo but in the vision of reform, but when you look at Congressman
[Paul] Ryan's [(R-Wis.)] budget, it would have just devastating impacts on
education, huge reductions in access to Pell Grants, huge reductions in
funding for children who live below the poverty line, children with special
needs. That directionally is not where the country needs to go. We need to
educate our way to a better economy.
Mitchell Holman
Mar 30, 2012, 10:41:23 PM3/30/12
to
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
So how do you explain all the transitional
land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
Jason
Mar 31, 2012, 1:53:52 AM3/31/12
to
In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
I don't believe that information. I have faith that the scientists will
eventually figure out that God created whales.
eventually figure out that God created whales.
Wombat
Mar 31, 2012, 3:22:34 AM3/31/12
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Are you aware that there are ice cores recovered from Antarctica that date back several hundred thousand years. A Floode would have destroyed them. Any comments?
David Fritzinger
Mar 31, 2012, 7:08:53 AM3/31/12
to
In article
<Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Nope. You are wrong as always. Remember that not only do humans and
chimps share the same synteny (gene order), they also share the same
insertion sequences (non-coding), the same retroviral insertions (again,
non-coding). The on;ly way this can be explained by creationists is that
there is a trickster god, who essentially lied to us with the evidence
placed in our genomes and in the earth. Is that what you believe?
clear that birds evolved from dinosaurs, that mammals evolved from
reptiles, etc. If you would bother to learn something for a change, you
wouldn't look so stupid. Of course, I know why you don't want to learn.
You are afraid. Your faith is so weak that if God isn't exactly how you
want him to be, you will lose your faith in Him.
<Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
chimps share the same synteny (gene order), they also share the same
insertion sequences (non-coding), the same retroviral insertions (again,
non-coding). The on;ly way this can be explained by creationists is that
there is a trickster god, who essentially lied to us with the evidence
placed in our genomes and in the earth. Is that what you believe?
>
> Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken place. However,
> I do believe that God did create about a dozen types of birds and all
> birds evolved from those birds. Did some birds evolve from unique types of
> dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that God created whales. They did not
> evolve from land-dwelling animals.
Then, explain all the evidence that shows you are wrong. The evidence is
> Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken place. However,
> I do believe that God did create about a dozen types of birds and all
> birds evolved from those birds. Did some birds evolve from unique types of
> dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that God created whales. They did not
> evolve from land-dwelling animals.
clear that birds evolved from dinosaurs, that mammals evolved from
reptiles, etc. If you would bother to learn something for a change, you
wouldn't look so stupid. Of course, I know why you don't want to learn.
You are afraid. Your faith is so weak that if God isn't exactly how you
want him to be, you will lose your faith in Him.
David Fritzinger
Mar 31, 2012, 7:09:30 AM3/31/12
to
In article
<Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
IOW, you believe God is a liar. That won't look too good when you die.
<Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Mitchell Holman
Mar 31, 2012, 10:58:36 AM3/31/12
to
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8...@216.196.121.131>,
> Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>> news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>> >> >
whale forms Pakicetus,Indohyus, Ambulocetus, Rodhocetus,
Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
http://www.squidoo.com/whale-evolution
Either those creatures never existed and their
fossils are not really in museums all over the world,
or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
whales.
Which is it, do you think?
news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8...@216.196.121.131>,
> Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>> news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>> >> >
>> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation explains how
>> >> > life came to be on this planet and evolution explains what
>> >> > happened after the creation process was finished. As various
>> >> > posters have told me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution
>> >> > theory.
>> >>
>> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the other apes,
>> >> like the evidence shows? You accept that mammals evolved from
>> >> reptiles, birds from dinosaurs, whales from land-dwelling animals,
>> >> etc? Or, are you lying again?
>> >
>> > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the same God
>> > created both humans and apes and as a result used similar features
>> > in both of them.
>> >
>> > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken place.
>> > However, I do believe that God did create about a dozen types of
>> > birds and all birds evolved from those birds. Did some birds evolve
>> > from unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that God
>> > created whales. They did not evolve from land-dwelling animals.
>> >
>>
>>
>> So how do you explain all the transitional
>> land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
>
> I don't believe that information. I have faith that the scientists
> will eventually figure out that God created whales.
Are you denying the very existence of transitional
>> >> > life came to be on this planet and evolution explains what
>> >> > happened after the creation process was finished. As various
>> >> > posters have told me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution
>> >> > theory.
>> >>
>> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the other apes,
>> >> like the evidence shows? You accept that mammals evolved from
>> >> reptiles, birds from dinosaurs, whales from land-dwelling animals,
>> >> etc? Or, are you lying again?
>> >
>> > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the same God
>> > created both humans and apes and as a result used similar features
>> > in both of them.
>> >
>> > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken place.
>> > However, I do believe that God did create about a dozen types of
>> > birds and all birds evolved from those birds. Did some birds evolve
>> > from unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that God
>> > created whales. They did not evolve from land-dwelling animals.
>> >
>>
>>
>> So how do you explain all the transitional
>> land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
>
> I don't believe that information. I have faith that the scientists
> will eventually figure out that God created whales.
whale forms Pakicetus,Indohyus, Ambulocetus, Rodhocetus,
Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
http://www.squidoo.com/whale-evolution
Either those creatures never existed and their
fossils are not really in museums all over the world,
or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
whales.
Which is it, do you think?
Devils Advocaat
Mar 31, 2012, 11:37:02 AM3/31/12
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On Mar 31, 6:53 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > >> <Jason-3003120916140...@66-53-216-63.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> > <dfritzin-F07384.07575330032...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > >> > > <Jason-2903121318210...@66-53-214-147.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> > > > > > <dfritzin-4E45CB.21570528032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Why then do whales have attributes found in land dwelling mammals?
> In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
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> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
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> > > In article
> > > <dfritzin-FD41B0.13530030032...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
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> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
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> > > In article
> > >> <Jason-3003120916140...@66-53-216-63.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> > <dfritzin-F07384.07575330032...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > >> > > <Jason-2903121318210...@66-53-214-147.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> > > > <dfritzin-80B07A.08342429032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > >> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > >> > > > > In article <Jason-2803122128370...@66.53.221.101>,
> > >> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
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Jason
Apr 1, 2012, 3:00:16 AM4/1/12
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In article <dfritzin-AEE9F5...@news.eternal-september.org>,
You can choose to believe what you want to believe and I will do the same.
Jason
Apr 1, 2012, 3:05:11 AM4/1/12
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In article <XnsA02764C453BB...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the earth evolved
from those creatures.
Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of years. I have not
seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines have evolved
into creatures that are not canines or felines.
That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that God created.
They did not evolve from a creature that once lived on the land.
from those creatures.
Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of years. I have not
seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines have evolved
into creatures that are not canines or felines.
That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that God created.
They did not evolve from a creature that once lived on the land.
Devils Advocaat
Apr 1, 2012, 3:51:46 AM4/1/12
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David Fritzinger
Apr 1, 2012, 6:52:49 AM4/1/12
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In article <Jason-31031...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Evidence? Biblical doesn't count, since you are *trying* to speak of
scientific matters.
idea of what you are talking about. Of course, that hasn't stopped you
from talking about anything else that you know nothing about. However,
remember that sometimes, it is better to be quiet and be thought to be a
fool than to talk and leave no doubt. The latter is you.
means that if you are right, you are worshipping a trickster god, whose
aim is to fool us.
scientific matters.
>
> Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of years. I have not
> seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines have evolved
> into creatures that are not canines or felines.
Please don't try to talk about evolution when you clearly don't have any
> Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of years. I have not
> seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines have evolved
> into creatures that are not canines or felines.
idea of what you are talking about. Of course, that hasn't stopped you
from talking about anything else that you know nothing about. However,
remember that sometimes, it is better to be quiet and be thought to be a
fool than to talk and leave no doubt. The latter is you.
>
> That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that God created.
> They did not evolve from a creature that once lived on the land.
Too bad all the evidence disagrees with you, isn't it? I guess that
> That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that God created.
> They did not evolve from a creature that once lived on the land.
means that if you are right, you are worshipping a trickster god, whose
aim is to fool us.
David Fritzinger
Apr 1, 2012, 6:56:10 AM4/1/12
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In article <Jason-31031...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
You've run out of arguments (not that you had any in the first place),
haven't you? This is the line you use whenever that happens.
It isn't my fault that you choose to ignore all the evidence and believe
fanciful things. That is a choice you have made on your own. You have
chosen to remain ignorant of all science and, well, let's face it, of
almost everything else. You have chosen to be led by liars, and never
even try to look at the facts to determine if the liars are lying to
you. Worse, you have chosen to ignore facts when presented to you on a
silver platter, and still believe the lies you want to believe.
haven't you? This is the line you use whenever that happens.
It isn't my fault that you choose to ignore all the evidence and believe
fanciful things. That is a choice you have made on your own. You have
chosen to remain ignorant of all science and, well, let's face it, of
almost everything else. You have chosen to be led by liars, and never
even try to look at the facts to determine if the liars are lying to
you. Worse, you have chosen to ignore facts when presented to you on a
silver platter, and still believe the lies you want to believe.
Free Lunch
Apr 1, 2012, 9:48:41 AM4/1/12
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 23:00:16 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
You believe things that have been shown to be false. Clearly you don't
give a damn about anything, certainly not God.
alt.talk.creationism:
give a damn about anything, certainly not God.
Devils Advocaat
Apr 1, 2012, 10:02:22 AM4/1/12
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On Mar 31, 12:30 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
[snipped for brevity and focus]
> They did not
> evolve from land-dwelling animals.
Even though the evidence suggests the opposite of what you want?
[snipped for brevity and focus]
[snipped for brevity and focus]
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> I believe that God created whales.
A belief doesn't change reality.
> I believe that God created whales.
> They did not
> evolve from land-dwelling animals.
[snipped for brevity and focus]
Mitchell Holman
Apr 1, 2012, 10:13:41 AM4/1/12
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Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in news:Jason-3103122305120001@66-53-209-
96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
Are you really claiming that the complete
skeletons of pre-whale life forms on display in
museums all over the world don't really exist?
96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
skeletons of pre-whale life forms on display in
museums all over the world don't really exist?
Jason
Apr 1, 2012, 8:35:06 PM4/1/12
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In article <dfritzin-D22DDB...@news.eternal-september.org>,
What is the name of that land animal that whales evolved from? Read the
information that is below before responding:
"Mesonychids possess unusual triangular molar teeth that are similar to
those of Cetacea (whales and dolphins), especially those of the
archaeocetids, as well as having similar skull anatomies and other
morphologic traits. For this reason, scientists had long believed that
mesonychids were the direct ancestor of Cetacea, but the discovery of
well preserved hind limbs of archaic cetaceans as well as more recent
phylogenetic analyses[3][4][5] now indicates that cetaceans are more
closely related to hippopotamids and other artiodactyls than they are to
mesonychids, and this result is consistent with many molecular
studies.[6] Most paleontologists now doubt the idea that whales are
descended from mesonychids, and instead suggest that whales are either
descended from or share a common ancestor with the anthracotheres, the
semi-aquatic ancestors of hippos."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
information that is below before responding:
"Mesonychids possess unusual triangular molar teeth that are similar to
those of Cetacea (whales and dolphins), especially those of the
archaeocetids, as well as having similar skull anatomies and other
morphologic traits. For this reason, scientists had long believed that
mesonychids were the direct ancestor of Cetacea, but the discovery of
well preserved hind limbs of archaic cetaceans as well as more recent
phylogenetic analyses[3][4][5] now indicates that cetaceans are more
closely related to hippopotamids and other artiodactyls than they are to
mesonychids, and this result is consistent with many molecular
studies.[6] Most paleontologists now doubt the idea that whales are
descended from mesonychids, and instead suggest that whales are either
descended from or share a common ancestor with the anthracotheres, the
semi-aquatic ancestors of hippos."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
Jason
Apr 1, 2012, 8:38:27 PM4/1/12
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In article <XnsA0285D1731A44...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
No--scientists will eventually figure out the truth. For years, scientist
said that whales evolved from mesonychids but "now doubt the idea that
whales are descended from mesonychid...."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
said that whales evolved from mesonychids but "now doubt the idea that
whales are descended from mesonychid...."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
Jason
Apr 1, 2012, 9:16:19 PM4/1/12
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In article <dfritzin-CC70A8...@news.eternal-september.org>,
You are very happy with your world view and so am I.
Mitchell Holman
Apr 1, 2012, 10:24:47 PM4/1/12
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Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
Do you agree then than whales evolved from a land mammal?
news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
Mitchell Holman
Apr 1, 2012, 10:33:03 PM4/1/12
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Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
So - scientists used to think whales evolved from a
land mammal and scientists STILL think whales evolved
from a land animal.
Are you still claiming the fossils of pre whale
life forms in museums around the world don't exist?
http://michigantoday.umich.edu/2011/06/whales.php
news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
land mammal and scientists STILL think whales evolved
from a land animal.
Are you still claiming the fossils of pre whale
life forms in museums around the world don't exist?
http://michigantoday.umich.edu/2011/06/whales.php
Devils Advocaat
Apr 1, 2012, 11:41:41 PM4/1/12
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On Apr 2, 3:33 am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote innews:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
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> > In article <XnsA0285D1731A44nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> >>news:Jason-31031...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
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> >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
I reckon Jason's memory difficulties have kicked in again as all of
this has already been explained to him.
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote innews:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
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> > In article <XnsA0285D1731A44nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> >>news:Jason-31031...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
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> >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
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> >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >> >>news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
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> >> >> > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
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> >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >> >>news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
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this has already been explained to him.
harry k
Apr 1, 2012, 11:46:41 PM4/1/12
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On Apr 1, 5:38 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA0285D1731A44nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
But think they evolved from another land animal. So that still leaves
you up a tree lying about he evidence.
Harry K
> In article <XnsA0285D1731A44nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
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> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote innews:Jason-3103122305120001@66-53-209-
> > 96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
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> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote innews:Jason-3103122305120001@66-53-209-
> > 96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
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> > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
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> > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >>news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
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> > >> > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
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> > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >>news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
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you up a tree lying about he evidence.
Harry K
harry k
Apr 1, 2012, 11:45:28 PM4/1/12
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On Apr 1, 5:35 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-D22DDB.06524901042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
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> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
Where in any of that is _any_ mention that they did NOT evolve from a
land animal?
Harry K
> In article <dfritzin-D22DDB.06524901042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
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> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > > > > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
>
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
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land animal?
Harry K
harry k
Apr 1, 2012, 11:48:28 PM4/1/12
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On Apr 1, 6:16 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-CC70A8.06561001042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-3103122300160...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-AEE9F5.07085331032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > <Jason-3003121530300...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-FD41B0.13530030032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> <Jason-3003120916140...@66-53-216-63.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > <dfritzin-F07384.07575330032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > > > > > <dfritzin-80B07A.08342429032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > In article <Jason-2803122128370...@66.53.221.101>,
> > > > > > > > > > > <dfritzin-4E45CB.21570528032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
So your world view can be summed up as "Ignorance is bliss"?
Harry K
> In article <dfritzin-CC70A8.06561001042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-3103122300160...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-AEE9F5.07085331032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > <Jason-3003121530300...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-FD41B0.13530030032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> <Jason-3003120916140...@66-53-216-63.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > <dfritzin-F07384.07575330032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <Jason-2903121318210...@66-53-214-147.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > <dfritzin-80B07A.08342429032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > In article <Jason-2803122128370...@66.53.221.101>,
> > > > > > > > > > > <dfritzin-4E45CB.21570528032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Harry K
Wombat
Apr 2, 2012, 12:39:52 AM4/2/12
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Jason
Apr 2, 2012, 2:39:10 AM4/2/12
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In article <XnsA028D90B1D1AB...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
No--I believe that the whales that are alive today evolved from the whales
that God created.
that God created.
Jason
Apr 2, 2012, 2:45:54 AM4/2/12
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In article <XnsA028DA72880D6...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
I have never made such a claim. I have not even seen those fossils so
can't provide my opinion about them. The scientists will eventually figure
can't provide my opinion about them. The scientists will eventually figure
David Fritzinger
Apr 2, 2012, 6:21:05 AM4/2/12
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In article <Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59>,
Yours is dependent on lies. Why you love lies is beyond me.
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-CC70A8...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
> In article <dfritzin-CC70A8...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > You've run out of arguments (not that you had any in the first place),
> > haven't you? This is the line you use whenever that happens.
> >
> > It isn't my fault that you choose to ignore all the evidence and believe
> > fanciful things. That is a choice you have made on your own. You have
> > chosen to remain ignorant of all science and, well, let's face it, of
> > almost everything else. You have chosen to be led by liars, and never
> > even try to look at the facts to determine if the liars are lying to
> > you. Worse, you have chosen to ignore facts when presented to you on a
> > silver platter, and still believe the lies you want to believe.
>
> You are very happy with your world view and so am I.
Evasion tactic #1 from Jason. My "world view" is dependent of facts.
> > haven't you? This is the line you use whenever that happens.
> >
> > It isn't my fault that you choose to ignore all the evidence and believe
> > fanciful things. That is a choice you have made on your own. You have
> > chosen to remain ignorant of all science and, well, let's face it, of
> > almost everything else. You have chosen to be led by liars, and never
> > even try to look at the facts to determine if the liars are lying to
> > you. Worse, you have chosen to ignore facts when presented to you on a
> > silver platter, and still believe the lies you want to believe.
>
> You are very happy with your world view and so am I.
Yours is dependent on lies. Why you love lies is beyond me.
David Fritzinger
Apr 2, 2012, 6:56:16 AM4/2/12
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[snip]
the precursors of whales that show the transition from land-dwelling to
water-dwelling animals? Yes, and that is all that counts. IOW,
scientists already have a good understanding of the evolution of whales,
and it is quite clear that they were not "poofed" into existence.
> > Are you really claiming that the complete
> > skeletons of pre-whale life forms on display in
> > museums all over the world don't really exist?
>
> No--scientists will eventually figure out the truth. For years, scientist
> said that whales evolved from mesonychids but "now doubt the idea that
> whales are descended from mesonychid...."
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
That doesn't help you at all. After all, are there still skeletons of
> > skeletons of pre-whale life forms on display in
> > museums all over the world don't really exist?
>
> No--scientists will eventually figure out the truth. For years, scientist
> said that whales evolved from mesonychids but "now doubt the idea that
> whales are descended from mesonychid...."
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
the precursors of whales that show the transition from land-dwelling to
water-dwelling animals? Yes, and that is all that counts. IOW,
scientists already have a good understanding of the evolution of whales,
and it is quite clear that they were not "poofed" into existence.
David Fritzinger
Apr 2, 2012, 6:58:17 AM4/2/12
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In article <Jason-01041...@66.53.222.223>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
[snip]
evolution. The only other conclusion that can be reached is that this is
yet another example of a trickster god.
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
[snip]
> I have never made such a claim. I have not even seen those fossils so
> can't provide my opinion about them. The scientists will eventually figure
> out that God created whales.
If that is the case, the evidence is clear that he did so using
> can't provide my opinion about them. The scientists will eventually figure
> out that God created whales.
evolution. The only other conclusion that can be reached is that this is
yet another example of a trickster god.
David Fritzinger
Apr 2, 2012, 7:01:00 AM4/2/12
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In article <Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59>,
Does it matter which land mammal whales descended from? The evidence is
still that they descended from land mammals. The bottom line is that
science makes mistakes, but corrects them. However, there will be no
major correction where a disproven hypothesis (Creationism, if it even
measures up to being a hypothesis) is revived and believed. It just
doesn't happen, since any new theory would still have to explain the
same evidence for evolution.
still that they descended from land mammals. The bottom line is that
science makes mistakes, but corrects them. However, there will be no
major correction where a disproven hypothesis (Creationism, if it even
measures up to being a hypothesis) is revived and believed. It just
doesn't happen, since any new theory would still have to explain the
same evidence for evolution.
Mitchell Holman
Apr 2, 2012, 8:35:52 AM4/2/12
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Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.223:
So what about all the fossils of transitional
whales in museums all over the world? Did God pepper
the ground with fossils of transitional whales that
never existed as some sort of cosmic joke?
news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.223:
whales in museums all over the world? Did God pepper
the ground with fossils of transitional whales that
never existed as some sort of cosmic joke?
Mitchell Holman
Apr 2, 2012, 8:40:33 AM4/2/12
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Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.223:
Then tell us what you think about all the
transitional land mammal to whale species.
> I have not even seen those fossils so
> can't provide my opinion about them.
You have never seen Noahs Ark but you believe
in it quickly enough. Why do you refuse to even
look at the evidence about whales?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.223:
transitional land mammal to whale species.
> I have not even seen those fossils so
> can't provide my opinion about them.
in it quickly enough. Why do you refuse to even
look at the evidence about whales?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
Devils Advocaat
Apr 2, 2012, 9:42:54 AM4/2/12
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On Apr 2, 7:39 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA028D90B1D1ABnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > >> <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
I will ask you again.
Why do whales have attributes found in land dwelling mammals?
> In article <XnsA028D90B1D1ABnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
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> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
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> > > In article
> > > <dfritzin-D22DDB.06524901042...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
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> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
>
> > > In article
> > >> <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > >> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >> > >news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > >> > > > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
>
> > >> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >> > >news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
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Why do whales have attributes found in land dwelling mammals?
harry k
Apr 2, 2012, 11:29:46 AM4/2/12
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On Mar 31, 12:22 am, Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On Friday, March 30, 2012 11:25:46 PM UTC+2, Greg Carr wrote:
> > On Mar 30, 4:57 am, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com>
> On Friday, March 30, 2012 11:25:46 PM UTC+2, Greg Carr wrote:
> > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-2903121318210...@66-53-214-147.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <dfritzin-80B07A.08342429032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <Jason-2803122128370...@66.53.221.101>,
> > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-4E45CB.21570528032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > > Stop lying, lying Jason. The real reason is as I explained. Creationism
> > > > > > > just isn't science. Never has been, never will be. There is no testable
> > > > > > > "theory of creationism", meaning it can't be science. Not to mention
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > fact that even you have admitted it is a religious dogma. Religion
> > > > > > > should not be taught in public schools. Especially not in science
> > > > > > > class.
>
> > > > > > > For once in your life, will you finally stop lying?
>
> > > > > > Thank goodness for Christian schools and home schooling programs. At
> > > > > > least
> > > > > > some children are learning the truth about how life came to be on this
> > > > > > planet.
>
> > > > > Yeah, we need more burger flippers.
>
> > > > > Kids who are taught the lies you want taught will never make it into
> > > > > science. This will result in far fewer scientists and engineers in the
> > > > > US, which will eventually have us end up as a third world country. Tell
> > > > > me, Jason, why do you hate the US so much? What did the country do to
> > > > > you that you want to destroy it?
>
> > > > > By the way, why do you worship a trickster god? You claim all of these
> > > > > things, but the evidence says exactly the opposite. Therefore, your
> > > > > trickster god must be planting evidence to fool us. Why are you
> > > > > worshipping a trickster god? You have yet to answer this question.
>
> > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > > Stop lying, lying Jason. The real reason is as I explained. Creationism
> > > > > > > just isn't science. Never has been, never will be. There is no testable
> > > > > > > "theory of creationism", meaning it can't be science. Not to mention
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > fact that even you have admitted it is a religious dogma. Religion
> > > > > > > should not be taught in public schools. Especially not in science
> > > > > > > class.
>
> > > > > > > For once in your life, will you finally stop lying?
>
> > > > > > Thank goodness for Christian schools and home schooling programs. At
> > > > > > least
> > > > > > some children are learning the truth about how life came to be on this
> > > > > > planet.
>
> > > > > Yeah, we need more burger flippers.
>
> > > > > Kids who are taught the lies you want taught will never make it into
> > > > > science. This will result in far fewer scientists and engineers in the
> > > > > US, which will eventually have us end up as a third world country. Tell
> > > > > me, Jason, why do you hate the US so much? What did the country do to
> > > > > you that you want to destroy it?
>
> > > > > By the way, why do you worship a trickster god? You claim all of these
> > > > > things, but the evidence says exactly the opposite. Therefore, your
> > > > > trickster god must be planting evidence to fool us. Why are you
> > > > > worshipping a trickster god? You have yet to answer this question.
>
> > > > > Oh yes, speaking of unanswered questions, where did the water go?
>
> > > > They are also taught evolution since their teachers know they will need
> > > > that information to help them pass college biology 101 classes.
>
> > > So, you are saying they are taught what they believe are lies? What kind
> > > of Christian would tell lies to their children?
>
> > > Why are you ignoring my question about where the water went?
>
> > The water evaporated, went back underground, became ice at the poles.
>
> There was a layer of water 5 miles high over the whole Earth, if Genesis is to be believed as history. How much of that water actually evaporated? The 40 days and 40 nights of rain would have filled up all the underground spaces, and if all the ice currently in the world melted the sea level would rise a few hundred feet. Where did the water go?
> Are you aware that there are ice cores recovered from Antarctica that date back several hundred thousand years. A Floode would have destroyed them. Any comments?
I like the "became ice" idiocy. That would have taken up even more
>
> > > > They are also taught evolution since their teachers know they will need
> > > > that information to help them pass college biology 101 classes.
>
> > > So, you are saying they are taught what they believe are lies? What kind
> > > of Christian would tell lies to their children?
>
> > > Why are you ignoring my question about where the water went?
>
> > The water evaporated, went back underground, became ice at the poles.
>
> There was a layer of water 5 miles high over the whole Earth, if Genesis is to be believed as history. How much of that water actually evaporated? The 40 days and 40 nights of rain would have filled up all the underground spaces, and if all the ice currently in the world melted the sea level would rise a few hundred feet. Where did the water go?
> Are you aware that there are ice cores recovered from Antarctica that date back several hundred thousand years. A Floode would have destroyed them. Any comments?
room thatn the water did.
Hawrry K
harry k
Apr 2, 2012, 11:34:12 AM4/2/12
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On Apr 1, 11:45 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA028DA72880D6nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > >>news:Jason-31031...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
Are you still denying the "scientists believe whales evolved from a
land animal"? That is the whole point of this sub-thread. It has
nothing at all to do with your world view, your religion or what you
_want_ to believe, It is a simple YES/NO question.
Again. Do scientists still believe the land-to-water whale
evolution? Yes or NO. Quit evading it.
Harry K
> In article <XnsA028DA72880D6nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
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> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
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> > > In article <XnsA0285D1731A44nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
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> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
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> > >>news:Jason-31031...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >> >>news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > >> >> > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
>
> > >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >> >>news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
land animal"? That is the whole point of this sub-thread. It has
nothing at all to do with your world view, your religion or what you
_want_ to believe, It is a simple YES/NO question.
Again. Do scientists still believe the land-to-water whale
evolution? Yes or NO. Quit evading it.
Harry K
harry k
Apr 2, 2012, 11:37:29 AM4/2/12
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On Apr 1, 11:39 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA028D90B1D1ABnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > >> <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
So God created all those fossils that show a progression "Land-to-sea"
Did he do it to show his prowess as a trickster?
Like it or not, the fossils exist and you have fit _that_ into your
idiotic "world view"
Harry K
> In article <XnsA028D90B1D1ABnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
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> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
>
> > > In article
> > > <dfritzin-D22DDB.06524901042...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
>
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> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
>
> > > In article
> > >> <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > >> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >> > >news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > >> > > > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
>
> > >> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >> > >news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
Did he do it to show his prowess as a trickster?
Like it or not, the fossils exist and you have fit _that_ into your
idiotic "world view"
Harry K
Wombat
Apr 2, 2012, 12:24:36 PM4/2/12
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Jason
Apr 2, 2012, 4:08:51 PM4/2/12
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In article <dfritzin-D66D77...@news.eternal-september.org>,
What is the name of the land creature that whales evolved from?
Jason
Apr 2, 2012, 4:10:33 PM4/2/12
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In article <dfritzin-CC0139...@news.eternal-september.org>,
If you believe whales evolved from a land animal, so be it. I know that
God created some whales and that the whales living today evolved from the
whales that God created.
God created some whales and that the whales living today evolved from the
whales that God created.
Jason
Apr 2, 2012, 4:14:09 PM4/2/12
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In article <XnsA0294C82366DB...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
I don't know--let's let the scientists figure it out. They will eventually
figure out that God created the whales.
Just because a weird looking dog looks somewhat like a lamb--does not mean
that dogs evolved from a sheep. Just because some land animals resembled
whales--does not mean that whales evolved from those land animals.
figure out that God created the whales.
Just because a weird looking dog looks somewhat like a lamb--does not mean
that dogs evolved from a sheep. Just because some land animals resembled
whales--does not mean that whales evolved from those land animals.
David Fritzinger
Apr 2, 2012, 4:08:38 PM4/2/12
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In article <Jason-02041...@66-53-223-58.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Jason's last line of defense, meaning you know your position is not
supportable. As I said, if that is what you believe, you also believe in
a trickster god, who lies to us by supplying false evidence.
supportable. As I said, if that is what you believe, you also believe in
a trickster god, who lies to us by supplying false evidence.
Jason
Apr 2, 2012, 4:16:48 PM4/2/12
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In article <XnsA0294D4E0FF73...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
In relation to whales--I believe that God created some whales and that the
whales that are alive today--evolved from those whales that God created.
whales that are alive today--evolved from those whales that God created.
David Fritzinger
Apr 2, 2012, 4:11:08 PM4/2/12
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In article <Jason-02041...@66-53-223-58.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
the ultimate progenitor of whales is now extinct.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-D66D77...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > In article <XnsA0285D1731A44...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > > Are you really claiming that the complete
> > > > skeletons of pre-whale life forms on display in
> > > > museums all over the world don't really exist?
> > >
> > > No--scientists will eventually figure out the truth. For years, scientist
> > > said that whales evolved from mesonychids but "now doubt the idea that
> > > whales are descended from mesonychid...."
> > >
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
> >
> > That doesn't help you at all. After all, are there still skeletons of
> > the precursors of whales that show the transition from land-dwelling to
> > water-dwelling animals? Yes, and that is all that counts. IOW,
> > scientists already have a good understanding of the evolution of whales,
> > and it is quite clear that they were not "poofed" into existence.
>
>
> What is the name of the land creature that whales evolved from?
The information you want is here. The land-dwelling creature that was
> In article <dfritzin-D66D77...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > In article <XnsA0285D1731A44...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > > Are you really claiming that the complete
> > > > skeletons of pre-whale life forms on display in
> > > > museums all over the world don't really exist?
> > >
> > > No--scientists will eventually figure out the truth. For years, scientist
> > > said that whales evolved from mesonychids but "now doubt the idea that
> > > whales are descended from mesonychid...."
> > >
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
> >
> > That doesn't help you at all. After all, are there still skeletons of
> > the precursors of whales that show the transition from land-dwelling to
> > water-dwelling animals? Yes, and that is all that counts. IOW,
> > scientists already have a good understanding of the evolution of whales,
> > and it is quite clear that they were not "poofed" into existence.
>
>
> What is the name of the land creature that whales evolved from?
the ultimate progenitor of whales is now extinct.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
David Fritzinger
Apr 2, 2012, 4:14:27 PM4/2/12
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In article <Jason-02041...@66-53-223-58.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
They've discovered much of it. If God did "create" whales, it is clear
he used evolution to do it, since we now have a pretty good fossil
record of the transitional species between a completely land-dwelling
mammal and modern whales. To say otherwise is to say that God is lying
to us.
[snip argument from incredulity]
he used evolution to do it, since we now have a pretty good fossil
record of the transitional species between a completely land-dwelling
mammal and modern whales. To say otherwise is to say that God is lying
to us.
[snip argument from incredulity]
Mitchell Holman
Apr 2, 2012, 5:58:41 PM4/2/12
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Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-02041...@66-53-223-58.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
If whales did not come from land mammals why do
whale fetuses have hair and legs?
news:Jason-02041...@66-53-223-58.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
whale fetuses have hair and legs?
Fred Hall
Apr 2, 2012, 6:24:09 PM4/2/12
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On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
<manky...@gmail.com> wrote in
<13a587d1-9e2d-4518...@l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com>:
>On Mar 31, 12:30 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
>[snipped for brevity and focus]
>
>[snipped for brevity and focus]
I'm sharing this with alt.usenet.kooks. I can't figure out if Jason
is trolling, or if he really is that stupid. After months of
observation, I just can't make up my mind.
--
Science flew man to the moon
Religion flew man into buildings...
AC
<manky...@gmail.com> wrote in
<13a587d1-9e2d-4518...@l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com>:
>On Mar 31, 12:30 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
>[snipped for brevity and focus]
>>
>> I believe that God created whales.
>
>A belief doesn't change reality.
>> I believe that God created whales.
>
>
>> They did not
>> evolve from land-dwelling animals.
>
>Even though the evidence suggests the opposite of what you want?
>> They did not
>> evolve from land-dwelling animals.
>
>
>[snipped for brevity and focus]
I'm sharing this with alt.usenet.kooks. I can't figure out if Jason
is trolling, or if he really is that stupid. After months of
observation, I just can't make up my mind.
--
Science flew man to the moon
Religion flew man into buildings...
AC
Mitchell Holman
Apr 2, 2012, 6:31:31 PM4/2/12
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Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-02041...@66-53-223-58.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
Which whales did god create?
Be specific.
news:Jason-02041...@66-53-223-58.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
Be specific.
Mitchell Holman
Apr 2, 2012, 6:48:05 PM4/2/12
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Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:fafc1422-1ed9-4fdf...@d17g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
> On Mar 31, 4:37 pm, Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 31, 6:53 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
>> > >news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>>
>> > > > In article
>> > > > <dfritzin-FD41B0.13530030032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> > > >> <Jason-3003120916140...@66-53-216-63.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>> > > >> > <dfritzin-F07384.07575330032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> > > >> > Dav
> id
>> > > >> > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > >> > > In article
>> > > >> > > <Jason-2903121318210...@66-53-214-147.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com
>> > > >> > > > <dfritzin-80B07A.08342429032...@news.eternal-september.or
>> > > >> > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > >> > > In article
>> > > >> > > <Jason-2903121318210...@66-53-214-147.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com
>> > > >> > > > > In article <Jason-2803122128370...@66.53.221.101>,
>> > > >> > > > > > <dfritzin-4E45CB.21570528032...@news.eternal-septembe
>> > > >> > > > > > r.o
>> > > >> > > > > > came
> to
>> > > >> > > > > > be on this
> to
>> > > >> > > > > > be on this
>
> And Jason continues to remain silent.
I pointed out to him long ago that some whales
are born with legs and feet, proving their land
ancestry. He disappeared.
Mitchell Holman
Apr 2, 2012, 6:55:23 PM4/2/12
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Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:4a50fc43-c882-4336...@i18g2000vbx.googlegroups.com:
>> innews:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59
>:
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>>
>>
>>
>> > In article <XnsA0285D1731A44nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
>> >>news:Jason-31031...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>>
>> >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
>> >> >>news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>>
>> >> >> > In article
>> >> >> > <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
>> >> >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>> >> >> >>news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co
>> >> >> >>m:
>>
>> >> >> > In article
>> >> >> > <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
>> >> >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>> >> >> >>news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co
>> >> >> >>m:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation
>> >> >> >> >> > explains
>> >> how
>> >> >> >> >> > life came to be on this planet and evolution explains
>> >> >> >> >> > what happened after the creation process was finished.
>> >> >> >> >> > explains
>> >> how
>> >> >> >> >> > life came to be on this planet and evolution explains
>> >> >> >> >> > As various posters have told me--abiogenesis is not
>> >> >> >> >> > part of evolution theory.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the
>> >> >> >> >> other apes, like the evidence shows? You accept that
>> >> >> >> >> > part of evolution theory.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the
>> >> >> >> >> mammals evolved from reptiles, birds from dinosaurs,
>> >> >> >> >> whales from land-dwelling
>> >> animals,
>> >> >> >> >> etc? Or, are you lying again?
>>
>> >> >> >> > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the same
>> >> >> >> > God created both humans and apes and as a result used
>> >> >> >> >> whales from land-dwelling
>> >> animals,
>> >> >> >> >> etc? Or, are you lying again?
>>
>> >> >> >> > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the same
>> >> >> >> > similar
>> >> features
>> >> >> >> > in both of them.
>>
>> >> >> >> > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken
>> >> >> >> > place. However, I do believe that God did create about a
>> >> >> >> > dozen types of birds and all birds evolved from those
>> >> features
>> >> >> >> > in both of them.
>>
>> >> >> >> > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken
>> >> >> >> > place. However, I do believe that God did create about a
>> >> >> >> > birds. Did some birds
>> >> evolve
>> >> >> >> > from unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe
>> >> >> >> > that God created whales. They did not evolve from
>> >> >> >> > land-dwelling animals.
>>
>> >> >> >> So how do you explain all the transitional
>> >> >> >> land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
>>
>> >> >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
>>
>> >> >> > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the
>> >> >> > scientists will eventually figure out that God created
>> >> >> > whales.
>>
>> >> evolve
>> >> >> >> > from unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe
>> >> >> >> > that God created whales. They did not evolve from
>> >> >> >> > land-dwelling animals.
>>
>> >> >> >> So how do you explain all the transitional
>> >> >> >> land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
>>
>> >> >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
>>
>> >> >> > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the
>> >> >> > scientists will eventually figure out that God created
>> >> >> > whales.
>>
>> >> >> Are you denying the very existence of transitional
>> >> >> whale forms Pakicetus,Indohyus, Ambulocetus, Rodhocetus,
>> >> >> Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
>>
>> >> >> http://www.squidoo.com/whale-evolution
>>
>> >> >> Either those creatures never existed and their
>> >> >> fossils are not really in museums all over the world,
>> >> >> or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
>> >> >> whales.
>>
>> >> >> Which is it, do you think?
>>
>> >> > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the earth
>> >> > evolved from those creatures.
>>
>> >> >> whale forms Pakicetus,Indohyus, Ambulocetus, Rodhocetus,
>> >> >> Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
>>
>> >> >> http://www.squidoo.com/whale-evolution
>>
>> >> >> Either those creatures never existed and their
>> >> >> fossils are not really in museums all over the world,
>> >> >> or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
>> >> >> whales.
>>
>> >> >> Which is it, do you think?
>>
>> >> > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the earth
>> >> > evolved from those creatures.
>>
>> >> > Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of years. I
>> >> > have
>> >> not
>> >> > seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines have
>> >> > evolved into creatures that are not canines or felines.
>>
>> >> > have
>> >> not
>> >> > seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines have
>> >> > evolved into creatures that are not canines or felines.
>>
>> >> > That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that God
>> >> > created. They did not evolve from a creature that once lived on
>> >> > the land.
>>
>> >> > created. They did not evolve from a creature that once lived on
>> >> > the land.
>>
>> >> Are you really claiming that the complete
>> >> skeletons of pre-whale life forms on display in
>> >> museums all over the world don't really exist?
>>
>> > No--scientists will eventually figure out the truth. For years,
>> >> skeletons of pre-whale life forms on display in
>> >> museums all over the world don't really exist?
>>
>> > No--scientists will eventually figure out the truth. For years,
>> > scientist said that whales evolved from mesonychids but "now doubt
>> > the idea that whales are descended from mesonychid...."
>>
>> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
>>
>> So - scientists used to think whales evolved from a
>> land mammal and scientists STILL think whales evolved
>> from a land animal.
>>
>> Are you still claiming the fossils of pre whale
>> life forms in museums around the world don't exist?
>>
>> http://michigantoday.umich.edu/2011/06/whales.php
>
> I reckon Jason's memory difficulties have kicked in again as all of
>> > the idea that whales are descended from mesonychid...."
>>
>> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
>>
>> So - scientists used to think whales evolved from a
>> land mammal and scientists STILL think whales evolved
>> from a land animal.
>>
>> Are you still claiming the fossils of pre whale
>> life forms in museums around the world don't exist?
>>
>> http://michigantoday.umich.edu/2011/06/whales.php
>
> this has already been explained to him.
Since Creationists cannot prove their point
they resort to picking at differing scientific
opinions to "prove" that evolution is false.
Jason
Apr 2, 2012, 9:00:06 PM4/2/12
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In article <dfritzin-435ADF...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Just tell me the name of that land dwelling creature. My computer may
crash if I try to visit that site.
crash if I try to visit that site.
Jason
Apr 2, 2012, 9:00:58 PM4/2/12
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In article
<0a569043-0eb9-457d...@ms3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 5:38=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <XnsA0285D1731A44nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote innews:Jason-3103122305120001@66-53-209-
> > > 96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchel=
> e.
> > > >> >> > However, I do believe that God did create about a dozen types o=
> >
> > > >> =A0 =A0 Either those creatures never existed and their
> >
> > > > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the earth evolv=
> you up a tree lying about he evidence.
>
> Harry K
That's correct but I have faith that scientists will eventually figure out that
God created whales.
<0a569043-0eb9-457d...@ms3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 5:38=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <XnsA0285D1731A44nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote innews:Jason-3103122305120001@66-53-209-
> > > 96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchel=
> l
> > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >>news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > >> > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >>news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >> >>news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > >> >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation explains
> > > how
> > > >> >> >> > life came to be on this planet and evolution explains what
> > > >> >> >> > happened after the creation process was finished. As various
> > > >> >> >> > posters have told me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution
> > > >> >> >> > theory.
> >
> > > >> >> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the other ape=
> > > >> >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation explains
> > > how
> > > >> >> >> > life came to be on this planet and evolution explains what
> > > >> >> >> > happened after the creation process was finished. As various
> > > >> >> >> > posters have told me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution
> > > >> >> >> > theory.
> >
> s,
> > > >> >> >> like the evidence shows? You accept that mammals evolved from
> > > >> >> >> reptiles, birds from dinosaurs, whales from land-dwelling
> > > animals,
> > > >> >> >> etc? Or, are you lying again?
> >
> > > >> >> > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the same God
> > > >> >> > created both humans and apes and as a result used similar
> > > features
> > > >> >> > in both of them.
> >
> > > >> >> > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken plac=
> > > >> >> >> like the evidence shows? You accept that mammals evolved from
> > > >> >> >> reptiles, birds from dinosaurs, whales from land-dwelling
> > > animals,
> > > >> >> >> etc? Or, are you lying again?
> >
> > > >> >> > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the same God
> > > >> >> > created both humans and apes and as a result used similar
> > > features
> > > >> >> > in both of them.
> >
> e.
> > > >> >> > However, I do believe that God did create about a dozen types o=
> f
> > > >> >> > birds and all birds evolved from those birds. Did some birds
> > > evolve
> > > >> >> > from unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that Go=
> > > >> >> > birds and all birds evolved from those birds. Did some birds
> > > evolve
> d
> > > >> >> > created whales. They did not evolve from land-dwelling animals.
> >
> > > >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 So how do you explain all the transitional
> > > >> >> > created whales. They did not evolve from land-dwelling animals.
> >
> > > >> >> land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
> >
> > > >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > > >> > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the scientists
> > > >> > will eventually figure out that God created whales.
> >
> > > >> =A0 =A0 Are you denying the very existence of transitional
> >
> > > >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > > >> > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the scientists
> > > >> > will eventually figure out that God created whales.
> >
> > > >> whale forms Pakicetus,Indohyus, Ambulocetus, Rodhocetus,
> > > >> Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
> >
> > > >> =A0 =A0http://www.squidoo.com/whale-evolution
> > > >> Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
> >
> >
> > > >> =A0 =A0 Either those creatures never existed and their
> > > >> fossils are not really in museums all over the world,
> > > >> or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
> > > >> whales.
> >
> > > >> =A0 =A0 Which is it, do you think?
> > > >> or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
> > > >> whales.
> >
> >
> > > > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the earth evolv=
> ed
> > > > from those creatures.
> >
> > > > Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of years. I have
> > > not
> > > > seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines have evolve=
> > > > from those creatures.
> >
> > > > Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of years. I have
> > > not
> d
> > > > into creatures that are not canines or felines.
> >
> > > > That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that God created=
> > > > into creatures that are not canines or felines.
> >
> .
> > > > They did not evolve from a creature that once lived on the land.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0Are you really claiming that the complete
> > > > They did not evolve from a creature that once lived on the land.
> >
> > > skeletons of pre-whale life forms on display in
> > > museums all over the world don't really exist?
> >
> > No--scientists will eventually figure out the truth. For years, scientist
> > said that whales evolved from mesonychids but "now doubt the idea that
> > whales are descended from mesonychid...."
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
>
> But think they evolved from another land animal. So that still leaves
> > > museums all over the world don't really exist?
> >
> > No--scientists will eventually figure out the truth. For years, scientist
> > said that whales evolved from mesonychids but "now doubt the idea that
> > whales are descended from mesonychid...."
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
>
> you up a tree lying about he evidence.
>
> Harry K
That's correct but I have faith that scientists will eventually figure out that
God created whales.
linuxgal
Apr 2, 2012, 9:14:39 PM4/2/12
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Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
> I pointed out to him long ago that some whales
> are born with legs and feet, proving their land
> ancestry. He disappeared.
>
If this was a call-in radio show, you'd hear: Click! (Dial Tone)
>
> I pointed out to him long ago that some whales
> are born with legs and feet, proving their land
> ancestry. He disappeared.
>
harry k
Apr 2, 2012, 11:43:39 PM4/2/12
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On Apr 2, 1:16 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA0294D4E0FF73nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > >> >>news:Jason-31031...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > >> >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
So the fossils showing the land/water transition are just a "whale"
line that existed by died out?
But then that trickster god forgot to remove the evidence that the
current wahles were once land animals (legs,hair)
Hrry K
Harry K
> In article <XnsA0294D4E0FF73nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
>
>
>
>
>
> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.223:
>
> > > In article <XnsA028DA72880D6nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
>
>
>
>
> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.223:
>
> > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >>news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
>
> > >> > In article <XnsA0285D1731A44nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
>
> > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >>news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
>
> > >> >>news:Jason-31031...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > >> >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > >> >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >> >> >>news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > >> >> >> > In article
> > >> >> >> > <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
>
> > >> >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >> >> >>news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > >> >> >> > In article
line that existed by died out?
But then that trickster god forgot to remove the evidence that the
current wahles were once land animals (legs,hair)
Hrry K
Harry K
harry k
Apr 2, 2012, 11:46:23 PM4/2/12
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On Apr 2, 6:00 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-435ADF.16110802042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-0204121308520...@66-53-223-58.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-D66D77.06561602042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article <Jason-0104121739110...@66.53.222.59>,
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <XnsA0285D1731A44nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
Harry K
> In article <dfritzin-435ADF.16110802042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-0204121308520...@66-53-223-58.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-D66D77.06561602042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article <Jason-0104121739110...@66.53.222.59>,
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <XnsA0285D1731A44nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > [snip]
> > > > > > Are you really claiming that the complete
> > > > > > skeletons of pre-whale life forms on display in
> > > > > > museums all over the world don't really exist?
>
> > > > > No--scientists will eventually figure out the truth. For years,
> scientist
> > > > > said that whales evolved from mesonychids but "now doubt the idea that
> > > > > whales are descended from mesonychid...."
>
> > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
>
> > > > That doesn't help you at all. After all, are there still skeletons of
> > > > the precursors of whales that show the transition from land-dwelling to
> > > > water-dwelling animals? Yes, and that is all that counts. IOW,
> > > > scientists already have a good understanding of the evolution of whales,
> > > > and it is quite clear that they were not "poofed" into existence.
>
> > > What is the name of the land creature that whales evolved from?
>
> > The information you want is here. The land-dwelling creature that was
> > the ultimate progenitor of whales is now extinct.
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
>
> Just tell me the name of that land dwelling creature. My computer may
> crash if I try to visit that site.
Do you ever tire of lying?
> > > > [snip]
> > > > > > Are you really claiming that the complete
> > > > > > skeletons of pre-whale life forms on display in
> > > > > > museums all over the world don't really exist?
>
> > > > > No--scientists will eventually figure out the truth. For years,
> scientist
> > > > > said that whales evolved from mesonychids but "now doubt the idea that
> > > > > whales are descended from mesonychid...."
>
> > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
>
> > > > That doesn't help you at all. After all, are there still skeletons of
> > > > the precursors of whales that show the transition from land-dwelling to
> > > > water-dwelling animals? Yes, and that is all that counts. IOW,
> > > > scientists already have a good understanding of the evolution of whales,
> > > > and it is quite clear that they were not "poofed" into existence.
>
> > > What is the name of the land creature that whales evolved from?
>
> > The information you want is here. The land-dwelling creature that was
> > the ultimate progenitor of whales is now extinct.
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
>
> Just tell me the name of that land dwelling creature. My computer may
> crash if I try to visit that site.
Harry K
harry k
Apr 2, 2012, 11:48:34 PM4/2/12
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Jason used it...repeatedly.
Harry K
Harry K
harry k
Apr 2, 2012, 11:45:18 PM4/2/12
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> <0a569043-0eb9-457d-87c5-ceddc318d...@ms3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, harry
And what of all the fossil evidence that shows otherwise? The
evidence of the fetus' (hair, legs)?
Harry K
evidence of the fetus' (hair, legs)?
Harry K
harry k
Apr 2, 2012, 11:40:34 PM4/2/12
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On Apr 2, 1:14 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA0294C82366DBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > >> >> <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
The problem with that is that you instantly disbelieve
them...everytime.
Harry K
<snip>
> In article <XnsA0294C82366DBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
>
>
>
>
>
> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.223:
>
> > > In article <XnsA028D90B1D1ABnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
>
>
>
>
> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.223:
>
> > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >>news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
>
> > >> > In article
> > >> > <dfritzin-D22DDB.06524901042...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
>
> > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >>news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
>
> > >> > In article
> > >> >> <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > >> >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > >> >> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >> >> > >news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com
> > >> >> > > :
>
> > >> >> > > > In article
> > >> >> > > > <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
>
> > >> >> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >> >> > >news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com
> > >> >> > > :
>
> > >> >> > > > In article
them...everytime.
Harry K
<snip>
Wombat
Apr 3, 2012, 1:33:38 AM4/3/12
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Jason
Apr 3, 2012, 3:23:24 AM4/3/12
to
In article
<77c3ff65-fc82-4c34...@ur9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > <0a569043-0eb9-457d-87c5-ceddc318d...@ms3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, harr=
> y
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 1, 5:38=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <XnsA0285D1731A44nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitche=
> ll
> >
> > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote innews:Jason-3103122305120001@66-53-=
> 209-
> > > > > 96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > > > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mit=
> chel=3D
> m:
> >
> > > > > >> >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation expla=
> ins
> > > > > how
> > > > > >> >> >> > life came to be on this planet and evolution explains wh=
> at
> > > > > >> >> >> > happened after the creation process was finished. As var=
> ious
> > > > > >> >> >> > posters have told me--abiogenesis is not part of evoluti=
> on
> > > > > >> >> >> > theory.
> >
> > > > > >> >> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the other=
> ape=3D
> > > s,
> > > > > >> >> >> like the evidence shows? You accept that mammals evolved f=
> plac=3D
> > > e.
> > > > > >> >> > However, I do believe that God did create about a dozen typ=
> es o=3D
> > > f
> > > > > >> >> > birds and all birds evolved from those birds. Did some bird=
> s
> > > > > evolve
> > > > > >> >> > from unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe tha=
> t Go=3D
> > > d
> > > > > >> >> > created whales. They did not evolve from land-dwelling anim=
> als.
> >
> > > > > >> >> =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 So how do you explain all the transitional
> >
> > > > > >> =3DA0 =3DA0 Either those creatures never existed and their
> >
> > > > > > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the earth e=
> volv=3D
> > > ed
> > > > > > from those creatures.
> >
> > > > > > Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of years. I =
> have
> > > > > not
> > > > > > seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines have ev=
> olve=3D
> ated=3D
> tist
> > > > said that whales evolved from mesonychids but "now doubt the idea tha=
figuring out that whales did not evolve from mesonychid.
<77c3ff65-fc82-4c34...@ur9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > <0a569043-0eb9-457d-87c5-ceddc318d...@ms3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, harr=
> y
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 1, 5:38=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <XnsA0285D1731A44nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitche=
> ll
> >
> > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote innews:Jason-3103122305120001@66-53-=
> 209-
> > > > > 96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > > > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mit=
> chel=3D
> > > l
> > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > > >>news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > > >> > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > > > >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > > >> >>news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=
> > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > > >>news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > > >> > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > > > >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> m:
> >
> > > > > >> >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation expla=
> ins
> > > > > how
> > > > > >> >> >> > life came to be on this planet and evolution explains wh=
> at
> > > > > >> >> >> > happened after the creation process was finished. As var=
> ious
> > > > > >> >> >> > posters have told me--abiogenesis is not part of evoluti=
> on
> > > > > >> >> >> > theory.
> >
> > > > > >> >> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the other=
> ape=3D
> > > s,
> > > > > >> >> >> like the evidence shows? You accept that mammals evolved f=
> rom
> > > > > >> >> >> reptiles, birds from dinosaurs, whales from land-dwelling
> > > > > animals,
> > > > > >> >> >> etc? Or, are you lying again?
> >
> > > > > >> >> > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the same =
> > > > > >> >> >> reptiles, birds from dinosaurs, whales from land-dwelling
> > > > > animals,
> > > > > >> >> >> etc? Or, are you lying again?
> >
> God
> > > > > >> >> > created both humans and apes and as a result used similar
> > > > > features
> > > > > >> >> > in both of them.
> >
> > > > > >> >> > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken =
> > > > > >> >> > created both humans and apes and as a result used similar
> > > > > features
> > > > > >> >> > in both of them.
> >
> plac=3D
> > > e.
> > > > > >> >> > However, I do believe that God did create about a dozen typ=
> es o=3D
> > > f
> > > > > >> >> > birds and all birds evolved from those birds. Did some bird=
> s
> > > > > evolve
> > > > > >> >> > from unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe tha=
> t Go=3D
> > > d
> > > > > >> >> > created whales. They did not evolve from land-dwelling anim=
> als.
> >
> > > > > >> >> =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 So how do you explain all the transitional
> > > > > >> >> land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
> >
> > > > > >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > > > > >> > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the scient=
> >
> > > > > >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> ists
> > > > > >> > will eventually figure out that God created whales.
> >
> > > > > >> =3DA0 =3DA0 Are you denying the very existence of transitional
> > > > > >> > will eventually figure out that God created whales.
> >
> > > > > >> whale forms Pakicetus,Indohyus, Ambulocetus, Rodhocetus,
> > > > > >> Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
> >
> > > > > >> =3DA0 =3DA0http://www.squidoo.com/whale-evolution
> > > > > >> Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
> >
> >
> > > > > >> =3DA0 =3DA0 Either those creatures never existed and their
> > > > > >> fossils are not really in museums all over the world,
> > > > > >> or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
> > > > > >> whales.
> >
> > > > > >> =3DA0 =3DA0 Which is it, do you think?
> > > > > >> or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
> > > > > >> whales.
> >
> >
> > > > > > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the earth e=
> volv=3D
> > > ed
> > > > > > from those creatures.
> >
> > > > > > Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of years. I =
> have
> > > > > not
> > > > > > seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines have ev=
> olve=3D
> > > d
> > > > > > into creatures that are not canines or felines.
> >
> > > > > > That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that God cre=
> > > > > > into creatures that are not canines or felines.
> >
> ated=3D
> > > .
> > > > > > They did not evolve from a creature that once lived on the land.
> >
> > > > > =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0Are you really claiming that the complete
> > > > > > They did not evolve from a creature that once lived on the land.
> >
> > > > > skeletons of pre-whale life forms on display in
> > > > > museums all over the world don't really exist?
> >
> > > > No--scientists will eventually figure out the truth. For years, scien=
> > > > > museums all over the world don't really exist?
> >
> tist
> > > > said that whales evolved from mesonychids but "now doubt the idea tha=
> t
> > > > whales are descended from mesonychid...."
> >
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
> >
> > > But think they evolved from another land animal. =A0So that still leave=
> > > > whales are descended from mesonychid...."
> >
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
> >
> s
> > > you up a tree lying about he evidence.
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > That's correct but I have faith that scientists will eventually figure ou=
> > > you up a tree lying about he evidence.
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> t that
> > God created whales.
>
> And what of all the fossil evidence that shows otherwise? The
> evidence of the fetus' (hair, legs)?
>
> Harry K
They will eventually figure out the the truth. They do get credit for
> > God created whales.
>
> And what of all the fossil evidence that shows otherwise? The
> evidence of the fetus' (hair, legs)?
>
> Harry K
figuring out that whales did not evolve from mesonychid.
Jason
Apr 3, 2012, 3:24:56 AM4/3/12
to
In article
<a0b5b25d-c34c-47b3...@fw28g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 31, 6:53=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > In article
> > > > <dfritzin-FD41B0.13530030032...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > >> <Jason-3003120916140...@66-53-216-63.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > >> > <dfritzin-F07384.07575330032...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > >> > > <Jason-2903121318210...@66-53-214-147.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > >> > > > <dfritzin-80B07A.08342429032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > >> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > > > In article <Jason-2803122128370...@66.53.221.101>,
> > > >> > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > > > > In article
> > > >> > > > > > <dfritzin-4E45CB.21570528032...@news.eternal-september.org=
> t
> > > >> > > > > > > to mention
> > > >> > > > > > > the
> > > >> > > > > > > fact that even you have admitted it is a religious dogma=
> .
> > > > Religion
> > > >> > > > > > > should not be taught in public schools. Especially not i=
> > > >> > life came to be on this planet and evolution explains what happene=
> d
> > > >> > after the creation process was finished. As various posters have
> > > >> > told me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution theory.
> >
> > > >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the other apes, lik=
> e
> > > >> the evidence shows? You accept that mammals evolved from reptiles,
> > > >> birds from dinosaurs, whales from land-dwelling animals, etc? Or, ar=
> e
> > > >> you lying again?
> >
> > > > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the same God create=
> > > > However, I do believe that God did create about a dozen types of bird=
> s
> > > > and all birds evolved from those birds. Did some birds evolve from
> > > > unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that God created
> > > > whales. They did not evolve from land-dwelling animals.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0 So how do you explain all the transitional
similar features. That is also the reason the organs in chimps and humans
are similar.
<a0b5b25d-c34c-47b3...@fw28g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 31, 6:53=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > In article
> > > > <dfritzin-FD41B0.13530030032...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > >> <Jason-3003120916140...@66-53-216-63.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > >> > <dfritzin-F07384.07575330032...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > >> > > <Jason-2903121318210...@66-53-214-147.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > >> > > > <dfritzin-80B07A.08342429032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > >> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > > > In article <Jason-2803122128370...@66.53.221.101>,
> > > >> > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > > > > In article
> > > >> > > > > > <dfritzin-4E45CB.21570528032...@news.eternal-september.org=
> > > >> > > > > [snip]
> > > >> > > > > > > Stop lying, lying Jason. The real reason is as I
> > > >> > > > > > > explained.
> > > >> > Creationism
> > > >> > > > > > > just isn't science. Never has been, never will be. There
> > > >> > > > > > > is no
> > > >> > testable
> > > >> > > > > > > "theory of creationism", meaning it can't be science. No=
> > > >> > > > > > > Stop lying, lying Jason. The real reason is as I
> > > >> > > > > > > explained.
> > > >> > Creationism
> > > >> > > > > > > just isn't science. Never has been, never will be. There
> > > >> > > > > > > is no
> > > >> > testable
> t
> > > >> > > > > > > to mention
> > > >> > > > > > > the
> > > >> > > > > > > fact that even you have admitted it is a religious dogma=
> .
> > > > Religion
> > > >> > > > > > > should not be taught in public schools. Especially not i=
> n
> > > >> > > > > > > science class.
> >
> > > >> > > > > > > For once in your life, will you finally stop lying?
> >
> > > >> > > > > > Thank goodness for Christian schools and home schooling
> > > > programs. At
> > > >> > > > > > least
> > > >> > > > > > some children are learning the truth about how life came t=
> > > >> > > > > > > science class.
> >
> > > >> > > > > > > For once in your life, will you finally stop lying?
> >
> > > >> > > > > > Thank goodness for Christian schools and home schooling
> > > > programs. At
> > > >> > > > > > least
> o
> > > >> > > > > > be on this
> > > >> > > > > > planet.
> >
> > > >> > > > > Yeah, we need more burger flippers.
> >
> > > >> > > > > Kids who are taught the lies you want taught will never make
> > > >> > > > > it into science. This will result in far fewer scientists an=
> > > >> > > > > > be on this
> > > >> > > > > > planet.
> >
> > > >> > > > > Yeah, we need more burger flippers.
> >
> > > >> > > > > Kids who are taught the lies you want taught will never make
> d
> > > >> > > > > engineers
> > > > in the
> > > >> > > > > US, which will eventually have us end up as a third world
> > > > country. Tell
> > > >> > > > > me, Jason, why do you hate the US so much? What did the
> > > >> > > > > country do to you that you want to destroy it?
> >
> > > >> > > > > By the way, why do you worship a trickster god? You claim al=
> > > >> > > > > engineers
> > > > in the
> > > >> > > > > US, which will eventually have us end up as a third world
> > > > country. Tell
> > > >> > > > > me, Jason, why do you hate the US so much? What did the
> > > >> > > > > country do to you that you want to destroy it?
> >
> l
> > > >> > > > > of
> > > > these
> > > >> > > > > things, but the evidence says exactly the opposite.
> > > >> > > > > Therefore, your trickster god must be planting evidence to
> > > >> > > > > fool us. Why are you worshipping a trickster god? You have
> > > >> > > > > yet to answer this question.
> >
> > > >> > > > > Oh yes, speaking of unanswered questions, where did the wate=
> > > >> > > > > of
> > > > these
> > > >> > > > > things, but the evidence says exactly the opposite.
> > > >> > > > > Therefore, your trickster god must be planting evidence to
> > > >> > > > > fool us. Why are you worshipping a trickster god? You have
> > > >> > > > > yet to answer this question.
> >
> r
> > > >> > > > > go?
> >
> > > >> > > > They are also taught evolution since their teachers know they
> > > >> > > > will need that information to help them pass college biology
> > > >> > > > 101 classes.
> >
> > > >> > > So, you are saying they are taught what they believe are lies?
> > > >> > > What kind of Christian would tell lies to their children?
> >
> > > >> > > Why are you ignoring my question about where the water went?
> >
> > > >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation explains how
> > > >> > > > > go?
> >
> > > >> > > > They are also taught evolution since their teachers know they
> > > >> > > > will need that information to help them pass college biology
> > > >> > > > 101 classes.
> >
> > > >> > > So, you are saying they are taught what they believe are lies?
> > > >> > > What kind of Christian would tell lies to their children?
> >
> > > >> > > Why are you ignoring my question about where the water went?
> >
> > > >> > life came to be on this planet and evolution explains what happene=
> d
> > > >> > after the creation process was finished. As various posters have
> > > >> > told me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution theory.
> >
> > > >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the other apes, lik=
> e
> > > >> the evidence shows? You accept that mammals evolved from reptiles,
> > > >> birds from dinosaurs, whales from land-dwelling animals, etc? Or, ar=
> e
> > > >> you lying again?
> >
> > > > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the same God create=
> d
> > > > both humans and apes and as a result used similar features in both of
> > > > them.
> >
> > > > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken place.
> > > > both humans and apes and as a result used similar features in both of
> > > > them.
> >
> > > > However, I do believe that God did create about a dozen types of bird=
> s
> > > > and all birds evolved from those birds. Did some birds evolve from
> > > > unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that God created
> > > > whales. They did not evolve from land-dwelling animals.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0 So how do you explain all the transitional
> > > land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
> >
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the scientists will
> >
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > eventually figure out that God created whales.
>
>
> Why then do whales have attributes found in land dwelling mammals?
God created both whales and land dwelling mammals and as a result used
similar features. That is also the reason the organs in chimps and humans
are similar.
Wombat
Apr 3, 2012, 3:46:23 AM4/3/12
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Jason
Apr 3, 2012, 3:59:11 AM4/3/12
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In article
<c41bb03d-cfca-46c6...@x5g2000pbl.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 2, 1:16=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <XnsA0294D4E0FF73nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.223:
> >
> > > > In article <XnsA028DA72880D6nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >>news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
> >
> > > >> > In article <XnsA0285D1731A44nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >> >>news:Jason-31031...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > >> >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > >> >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >> >> >>news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=
> >
> > > >> >> >> =A0 =A0 Either those creatures never existed and their
<c41bb03d-cfca-46c6...@x5g2000pbl.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 2, 1:16=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <XnsA0294D4E0FF73nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.223:
> >
> > > > In article <XnsA028DA72880D6nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >>news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
> >
> > > >> > In article <XnsA0285D1731A44nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >> >>news:Jason-31031...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > >> >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > >> >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> :
> >
> > > >> >> >> > In article
> > > >> >> >> > <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > >> >> >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >> >> >> >>news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.=
> >
> > > >> >> >> > In article
> > > >> >> >> > <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > >> >> >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> c
> > > >> >> >> >> om:
> >
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > explains
> > > >> >> how
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > life came to be on this planet and evolution explains
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > what happened after the creation process was finished.
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > As various posters have told me--abiogenesis is not
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > part of evolution theory.
> >
> > > >> >> >> >> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the
> > > >> >> >> >> >> other apes, like the evidence shows? You accept that
> > > >> >> >> >> >> mammals evolved from reptiles, birds from dinosaurs,
> > > >> >> >> >> >> whales from land-dwelling
> > > >> >> animals,
> > > >> >> >> >> >> etc? Or, are you lying again?
> >
> > > >> >> >> >> > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the sam=
> > > >> >> >> >> om:
> >
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > explains
> > > >> >> how
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > life came to be on this planet and evolution explains
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > what happened after the creation process was finished.
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > As various posters have told me--abiogenesis is not
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > part of evolution theory.
> >
> > > >> >> >> >> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the
> > > >> >> >> >> >> other apes, like the evidence shows? You accept that
> > > >> >> >> >> >> mammals evolved from reptiles, birds from dinosaurs,
> > > >> >> >> >> >> whales from land-dwelling
> > > >> >> animals,
> > > >> >> >> >> >> etc? Or, are you lying again?
> >
> e
> > > >> >> >> >> > God created both humans and apes and as a result used
> > > >> >> >> >> > similar
> > > >> >> features
> > > >> >> >> >> > in both of them.
> >
> > > >> >> >> >> > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has take=
> > > >> >> >> >> > God created both humans and apes and as a result used
> > > >> >> >> >> > similar
> > > >> >> features
> > > >> >> >> >> > in both of them.
> >
> n
> > > >> >> >> >> > place. However, I do believe that God did create about a
> > > >> >> >> >> > dozen types of birds and all birds evolved from those
> > > >> >> >> >> > birds. Did some birds
> > > >> >> evolve
> > > >> >> >> >> > from unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe
> > > >> >> >> >> > that God created whales. They did not evolve from
> > > >> >> >> >> > land-dwelling animals.
> >
> > > >> >> >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 So how do you explain all the transitional
> > > >> >> >> >> > place. However, I do believe that God did create about a
> > > >> >> >> >> > dozen types of birds and all birds evolved from those
> > > >> >> >> >> > birds. Did some birds
> > > >> >> evolve
> > > >> >> >> >> > from unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe
> > > >> >> >> >> > that God created whales. They did not evolve from
> > > >> >> >> >> > land-dwelling animals.
> >
> > > >> >> >> >> land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
> >
> > > >> >> >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > > >> >> >> > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the
> > > >> >> >> > scientists will eventually figure out that God created
> > > >> >> >> > whales.
> >
> > > >> >> >> =A0 =A0 Are you denying the very existence of transitional
> >
> > > >> >> >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > > >> >> >> > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the
> > > >> >> >> > scientists will eventually figure out that God created
> > > >> >> >> > whales.
> >
> > > >> >> >> whale forms Pakicetus,Indohyus, Ambulocetus, Rodhocetus,
> > > >> >> >> Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
> >
> > > >> >> >> =A0 =A0http://www.squidoo.com/whale-evolution
> > > >> >> >> Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
> >
> >
> > > >> >> >> =A0 =A0 Either those creatures never existed and their
> > > >> >> >> fossils are not really in museums all over the world,
> > > >> >> >> or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
> > > >> >> >> whales.
> >
> > > >> >> >> =A0 =A0 Which is it, do you think?
> > > >> >> >> or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
> > > >> >> >> whales.
> >
> >
> > > >> >> > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the earth
> > > >> >> > evolved from those creatures.
> >
> > > >> >> > Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of years. =
> > > >> >> > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the earth
> > > >> >> > evolved from those creatures.
> >
> I
> > > >> >> > have
> > > >> >> not
> > > >> >> > seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines have
> > > >> >> > evolved into creatures that are not canines or felines.
> >
> > > >> >> > That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that God
> > > >> >> > created. They did not evolve from a creature that once lived on
> > > >> >> > the land.
> >
> > > >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0Are you really claiming that the complete
> > > >> >> > have
> > > >> >> not
> > > >> >> > seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines have
> > > >> >> > evolved into creatures that are not canines or felines.
> >
> > > >> >> > That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that God
> > > >> >> > created. They did not evolve from a creature that once lived on
> > > >> >> > the land.
> >
> > > >> >> skeletons of pre-whale life forms on display in
> > > >> >> museums all over the world don't really exist?
> >
> > > >> > No--scientists will eventually figure out the truth. For years,
> > > >> > scientist said that whales evolved from mesonychids but "now doubt
> > > >> > the idea that whales are descended from mesonychid...."
> >
> > > >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
> >
> > > >> =A0 =A0 So - scientists used to think whales evolved from a
> > > >> >> museums all over the world don't really exist?
> >
> > > >> > No--scientists will eventually figure out the truth. For years,
> > > >> > scientist said that whales evolved from mesonychids but "now doubt
> > > >> > the idea that whales are descended from mesonychid...."
> >
> > > >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
> >
> > > >> land mammal and scientists STILL think whales evolved
> > > >> from a land animal.
> >
> > > >> =A0 =A0 Are you still claiming the fossils of pre whale
> > > >> from a land animal.
> >
> > > >> life forms in museums around the world don't exist?
> >
> > > >>http://michigantoday.umich.edu/2011/06/whales.php
> >
> > > > I have never made such a claim.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0Then tell us what you think about all the
> >
> > > >>http://michigantoday.umich.edu/2011/06/whales.php
> >
> > > > I have never made such a claim.
> >
> > > transitional land mammal to whale species.
> >
> > > > I have not even seen those fossils so
> > > > can't provide my opinion about them.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 You have never seen Noahs Ark but you believe
> >
> > > > I have not even seen those fossils so
> > > > can't provide my opinion about them.
> >
> > > in it quickly enough. Why do you refuse to even
> > > look at the evidence about whales?
> >
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > In relation to whales--I believe that God created some whales and that th=
> > > look at the evidence about whales?
> >
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> e
> > whales that are alive today--evolved from those whales that God created.
>
> So the fossils showing the land/water transition are just a "whale"
> line that existed by died out?
>
> But then that trickster god forgot to remove the evidence that the
> current wahles were once land animals (legs,hair)
>
> Hrry K
> Harry K
I have seen them--so don't know.
> > whales that are alive today--evolved from those whales that God created.
>
> So the fossils showing the land/water transition are just a "whale"
> line that existed by died out?
>
> But then that trickster god forgot to remove the evidence that the
> current wahles were once land animals (legs,hair)
>
> Hrry K
> Harry K
Jason
Apr 3, 2012, 4:01:00 AM4/3/12
to
In article
<9bbb3e9a-4fee-4864...@oo9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 11:45=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <XnsA028DA72880D6nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
> >
> > > > In article <XnsA0285D1731A44nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >>news:Jason-31031...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >> >>news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> > > >> >> >> > God created both humans and apes and as a result used simila=
> > can't provide my opinion about them. The scientists will eventually figur=
> land animal"? That is the whole point of this sub-thread. It has
> nothing at all to do with your world view, your religion or what you
> _want_ to believe, It is a simple YES/NO question.
>
> Again. Do scientists still believe the land-to-water whale
> evolution? Yes or NO. Quit evading it.
>
> Harry K
As far as I know, most scientists believe they evolved from land based
animals. Darwin once believed that whales evolved from bears.
<9bbb3e9a-4fee-4864...@oo9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 11:45=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <XnsA028DA72880D6nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
> >
> > > > In article <XnsA0285D1731A44nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >>news:Jason-31031...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > >> >> > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > >> >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >> >> >>news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=
> > > >> >> > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > >> >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> :
> >
> > > >> >> >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation
> > > >> >> >> >> > explains
> > > >> how
> > > >> >> >> >> > life came to be on this planet and evolution explains wha=
> >
> > > >> >> >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation
> > > >> >> >> >> > explains
> > > >> how
> t
> > > >> >> >> >> > happened after the creation process was finished. As
> > > >> >> >> >> > various posters have told me--abiogenesis is not part of
> > > >> >> >> >> > evolution theory.
> >
> > > >> >> >> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the other
> > > >> >> >> >> apes, like the evidence shows? You accept that mammals
> > > >> >> >> >> evolved from reptiles, birds from dinosaurs, whales from
> > > >> >> >> >> land-dwelling
> > > >> animals,
> > > >> >> >> >> etc? Or, are you lying again?
> >
> > > >> >> >> > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the same
> > > >> >> >> >> > happened after the creation process was finished. As
> > > >> >> >> >> > various posters have told me--abiogenesis is not part of
> > > >> >> >> >> > evolution theory.
> >
> > > >> >> >> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the other
> > > >> >> >> >> apes, like the evidence shows? You accept that mammals
> > > >> >> >> >> evolved from reptiles, birds from dinosaurs, whales from
> > > >> >> >> >> land-dwelling
> > > >> animals,
> > > >> >> >> >> etc? Or, are you lying again?
> >
> > > >> >> >> > God created both humans and apes and as a result used simila=
> r
> > > >> features
> > > >> >> >> > in both of them.
> >
> > > >> >> >> > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken
> > > >> features
> > > >> >> >> > in both of them.
> >
> > > >> >> >> > place. However, I do believe that God did create about a
> > > >> >> >> > dozen types of birds and all birds evolved from those birds.
> > > >> >> >> > Did some birds
> > > >> evolve
> > > >> >> >> > from unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that
> > > >> >> >> > God created whales. They did not evolve from land-dwelling
> > > >> >> >> > animals.
> >
> > > >> >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 So how do you explain all the transitional
> > > >> >> >> land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
> >
> > > >> >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > > >> >> > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the
> > > >> >> > scientists will eventually figure out that God created whales.
> >
> > > >> >> =A0 =A0 Are you denying the very existence of transitional
> > > >> >> whale forms Pakicetus,Indohyus, Ambulocetus, Rodhocetus,
> > > >> >> Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
> >
> > > >> >> =A0 =A0http://www.squidoo.com/whale-evolution
> >
> > > >> >> =A0 =A0 Either those creatures never existed and their
> > > >> >> fossils are not really in museums all over the world,
> > > >> >> or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
> > > >> >> whales.
> >
> > > >> >> =A0 =A0 Which is it, do you think?
> >
> > > >> > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the earth
> > > >> > evolved from those creatures.
> >
> > > >> > Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of years. I
> > > >> >> >> > dozen types of birds and all birds evolved from those birds.
> > > >> >> >> > Did some birds
> > > >> evolve
> > > >> >> >> > from unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that
> > > >> >> >> > God created whales. They did not evolve from land-dwelling
> > > >> >> >> > animals.
> >
> > > >> >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 So how do you explain all the transitional
> > > >> >> >> land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
> >
> > > >> >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > > >> >> > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the
> > > >> >> > scientists will eventually figure out that God created whales.
> >
> > > >> >> =A0 =A0 Are you denying the very existence of transitional
> > > >> >> whale forms Pakicetus,Indohyus, Ambulocetus, Rodhocetus,
> > > >> >> Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
> >
> > > >> >> =A0 =A0http://www.squidoo.com/whale-evolution
> >
> > > >> >> =A0 =A0 Either those creatures never existed and their
> > > >> >> fossils are not really in museums all over the world,
> > > >> >> or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
> > > >> >> whales.
> >
> > > >> >> =A0 =A0 Which is it, do you think?
> >
> > > >> > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the earth
> > > >> > evolved from those creatures.
> >
> > > >> > have
> > > >> not
> > > >> > seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines have
> > > >> > evolved into creatures that are not canines or felines.
> >
> > > >> > That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that God
> > > >> > created. They did not evolve from a creature that once lived on th=
> > > >> not
> > > >> > seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines have
> > > >> > evolved into creatures that are not canines or felines.
> >
> > > >> > That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that God
> e
> > > >> > land.
> >
> > > >> =A0 =A0 =A0Are you really claiming that the complete
> > > >> skeletons of pre-whale life forms on display in
> > > >> museums all over the world don't really exist?
> >
> > > > No--scientists will eventually figure out the truth. For years,
> > > > scientist said that whales evolved from mesonychids but "now doubt th=
> > > >> > land.
> >
> > > >> =A0 =A0 =A0Are you really claiming that the complete
> > > >> skeletons of pre-whale life forms on display in
> > > >> museums all over the world don't really exist?
> >
> > > > No--scientists will eventually figure out the truth. For years,
> e
> > > > idea that whales are descended from mesonychid...."
> >
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 So - scientists used to think whales evolved from a
> > > land mammal and scientists STILL think whales evolved
> > > from a land animal.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 Are you still claiming the fossils of pre whale
> > > life forms in museums around the world don't exist?
> >
> > >http://michigantoday.umich.edu/2011/06/whales.php
> >
> > I have never made such a claim. I have not even seen those fossils so
> > > > idea that whales are descended from mesonychid...."
> >
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 So - scientists used to think whales evolved from a
> > > land mammal and scientists STILL think whales evolved
> > > from a land animal.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 Are you still claiming the fossils of pre whale
> > > life forms in museums around the world don't exist?
> >
> > >http://michigantoday.umich.edu/2011/06/whales.php
> >
> > can't provide my opinion about them. The scientists will eventually figur=
> e
> > out that God created whales.
>
> Are you still denying the "scientists believe whales evolved from a
> > out that God created whales.
>
> land animal"? That is the whole point of this sub-thread. It has
> nothing at all to do with your world view, your religion or what you
> _want_ to believe, It is a simple YES/NO question.
>
> Again. Do scientists still believe the land-to-water whale
> evolution? Yes or NO. Quit evading it.
>
> Harry K
As far as I know, most scientists believe they evolved from land based
animals. Darwin once believed that whales evolved from bears.
Jason
Apr 3, 2012, 4:03:26 AM4/3/12
to
In article <XnsA029B17F3659...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
The Bible does not state which types of whales that God created.
Jason
Apr 3, 2012, 4:06:18 AM4/3/12
to
In article
<d1eac38c-c2b5-4480...@to5g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 5:35=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-D22DDB.06524901042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchel=
> > > > >news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > > > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> >
> > > > > >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation explains=
> ce.
> > > > > >> > However, I do believe that God did create about a dozen types =
> of
> > > > > >> > birds and all birds evolved from those birds. Did some birds e=
> volve
> > > > > >> > from unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that G=
> od
> > > > > >> > created whales. They did not evolve from land-dwelling animals=
> .
> >
> > > > > >> =A0 =A0 =A0 So how do you explain all the transitional
> >
> > > > > =A0 =A0 Either those creatures never existed and their
> >
> > > > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the earth evolv=
> not
> > > > seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines have evolve=
> land animal?
>
> Harry K
You missed the point--it states that whales did not evolve from
Mesonychids. Yes, I know that most scientists still believe that whales
<d1eac38c-c2b5-4480...@to5g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 5:35=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-D22DDB.06524901042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchel=
> > > > >news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > > > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > > >>news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation explains=
> how
> > > > > >> >> > life came to be on this planet and evolution explains what
> > > > > >> >> > happened after the creation process was finished. As variou=
> > > > > >> >> > life came to be on this planet and evolution explains what
> s
> > > > > >> >> > posters have told me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution
> > > > > >> >> > theory.
> >
> > > > > >> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the other ap=
> > > > > >> >> > posters have told me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution
> > > > > >> >> > theory.
> >
> es,
> > > > > >> >> like the evidence shows? You accept that mammals evolved from
> > > > > >> >> reptiles, birds from dinosaurs, whales from land-dwelling ani=
> > > > > >> >> like the evidence shows? You accept that mammals evolved from
> mals,
> > > > > >> >> etc? Or, are you lying again?
> >
> > > > > >> > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the same God
> > > > > >> > created both humans and apes and as a result used similar feat=
> > > > > >> >> etc? Or, are you lying again?
> >
> > > > > >> > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the same God
> ures
> > > > > >> > in both of them.
> >
> > > > > >> > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken pla=
> > > > > >> > in both of them.
> >
> ce.
> > > > > >> > However, I do believe that God did create about a dozen types =
> of
> > > > > >> > birds and all birds evolved from those birds. Did some birds e=
> volve
> > > > > >> > from unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that G=
> od
> > > > > >> > created whales. They did not evolve from land-dwelling animals=
> .
> >
> > > > > >> =A0 =A0 =A0 So how do you explain all the transitional
> > > > > >> land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
> >
> > > > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > > > > > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the scientist=
> >
> > > > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> s
> > > > > > will eventually figure out that God created whales.
> >
> > > > > =A0 =A0 Are you denying the very existence of transitional
> > > > > > will eventually figure out that God created whales.
> >
> > > > > whale forms Pakicetus,Indohyus, Ambulocetus, Rodhocetus,
> > > > > Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
> >
> > > > > =A0 =A0http://www.squidoo.com/whale-evolution
> > > > > Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
> >
> >
> > > > > =A0 =A0 Either those creatures never existed and their
> > > > > fossils are not really in museums all over the world,
> > > > > or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
> > > > > whales.
> >
> > > > > =A0 =A0 Which is it, do you think?
> > > > > or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
> > > > > whales.
> >
> >
> > > > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the earth evolv=
> ed
> > > > from those creatures.
> >
> > > Evidence? Biblical doesn't count, since you are *trying* to speak of
> > > scientific matters.
> >
> > > > Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of years. I have=
> > > > from those creatures.
> >
> > > Evidence? Biblical doesn't count, since you are *trying* to speak of
> > > scientific matters.
> >
> not
> > > > seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines have evolve=
> d
> > > > into creatures that are not canines or felines.
> >
> > > Please don't try to talk about evolution when you clearly don't have an=
> > > > into creatures that are not canines or felines.
> >
> y
> > > idea of what you are talking about. Of course, that hasn't stopped you
> > > from talking about anything else that you know nothing about. However,
> > > remember that sometimes, it is better to be quiet and be thought to be =
> > > idea of what you are talking about. Of course, that hasn't stopped you
> > > from talking about anything else that you know nothing about. However,
> a
> > > fool than to talk and leave no doubt. The latter is you.
> >
> > > > That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that God created=
> > > fool than to talk and leave no doubt. The latter is you.
> >
> .
> > > > They did not evolve from a creature that once lived on the land.
> >
> > > Too bad all the evidence disagrees with you, isn't it? I guess that
> > > means that if you are right, you are worshipping a trickster god, whose
> > > aim is to fool us.
> >
> > What is the name of that land animal that whales evolved from? Read the
> > information that is below before responding:
> >
> > "Mesonychids possess unusual triangular molar teeth that are similar to
> > those of Cetacea (whales and dolphins), especially those of the
> > archaeocetids, as well as having similar skull anatomies and other
> > morphologic traits. For this reason, scientists had long believed that
> > mesonychids were the direct ancestor of Cetacea, but the discovery of
> > well preserved hind limbs of archaic cetaceans as well as more recent
> > phylogenetic analyses[3][4][5] now indicates that cetaceans are more
> > closely related to hippopotamids and other artiodactyls than they are to
> > mesonychids, and this result is consistent with many molecular
> > studies.[6] Most paleontologists now doubt the idea that whales are
> > descended from mesonychids, and instead suggest that whales are either
> > descended from or share a common ancestor with the anthracotheres, the
> > semi-aquatic ancestors of hippos."
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
>
> Where in any of that is _any_ mention that they did NOT evolve from a
> > > > They did not evolve from a creature that once lived on the land.
> >
> > > Too bad all the evidence disagrees with you, isn't it? I guess that
> > > means that if you are right, you are worshipping a trickster god, whose
> > > aim is to fool us.
> >
> > What is the name of that land animal that whales evolved from? Read the
> > information that is below before responding:
> >
> > "Mesonychids possess unusual triangular molar teeth that are similar to
> > those of Cetacea (whales and dolphins), especially those of the
> > archaeocetids, as well as having similar skull anatomies and other
> > morphologic traits. For this reason, scientists had long believed that
> > mesonychids were the direct ancestor of Cetacea, but the discovery of
> > well preserved hind limbs of archaic cetaceans as well as more recent
> > phylogenetic analyses[3][4][5] now indicates that cetaceans are more
> > closely related to hippopotamids and other artiodactyls than they are to
> > mesonychids, and this result is consistent with many molecular
> > studies.[6] Most paleontologists now doubt the idea that whales are
> > descended from mesonychids, and instead suggest that whales are either
> > descended from or share a common ancestor with the anthracotheres, the
> > semi-aquatic ancestors of hippos."
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
>
> land animal?
>
> Harry K
You missed the point--it states that whales did not evolve from
Mesonychids. Yes, I know that most scientists still believe that whales
Jason
Apr 3, 2012, 4:08:34 AM4/3/12
to
In article
<2fff0397-7706-4714...@x5g2000pbl.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 2, 1:14=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <XnsA0294C82366DBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.223:
> >
> > > > In article <XnsA028D90B1D1ABnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >>news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
> >
> > > >> > In article
> > > >> > <dfritzin-D22DDB.06524901042...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > >> > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> In article
> > > >> >> <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >
> > > >> >> > > =A0 =A0 Either those creatures never existed and their
> e
> > > >> > of the archaeocetids, as well as having similar skull anatomies an=
> s
> > > >> > of hippos."
> >
> > > >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
> >
> > > >> =A0 =A0 Do you agree then than whales evolved from a land mammal?
"great--they finally got it right."
<2fff0397-7706-4714...@x5g2000pbl.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 2, 1:14=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <XnsA0294C82366DBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.223:
> >
> > > > In article <XnsA028D90B1D1ABnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >>news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
> >
> > > >> > In article
> > > >> > <dfritzin-D22DDB.06524901042...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > >> > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> In article
> > > >> >> <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > >> >> =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > >> >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >> >> > >news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=
> >
> > > >> >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > >> >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> m
> > > >> >> > > :
> >
> > > >> >> > > > In article
> > > >> >> > > > <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > >> >> > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >> >> > > >>news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest=
> > > >> >> > > :
> >
> > > >> >> > > > In article
> > > >> >> > > > <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > >> >> > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> .
> > > >> >> > > >> com
> > > >> >> > > >> :
> >
> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation
> > > >> >> > > >> >> > explains how life came to be on this planet and
> > > >> >> > > >> >> > evolution explains what happened after the creation
> > > >> >> > > >> >> > process was finished. As various posters have told
> > > >> >> > > >> >> > me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution theory.
> >
> > > >> >> > > >> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the
> > > >> >> > > >> >> other apes, like the evidence shows? You accept that
> > > >> >> > > >> >> mammals evolved from reptiles, birds from dinosaurs,
> > > >> >> > > >> >> whales from land-dwelling animals, etc? Or, are you
> > > >> >> > > >> >> lying again?
> >
> > > >> >> > > >> > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the
> > > >> >> > > >> > same God created both humans and apes and as a result
> > > >> >> > > >> > used similar features in both of them.
> >
> > > >> >> > > >> > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has
> > > >> >> > > >> > taken place. However, I do believe that God did create
> > > >> >> > > >> > about a dozen types of birds and all birds evolved from
> > > >> >> > > >> > those birds. Did some birds evolve from unique types of
> > > >> >> > > >> > dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that God created
> > > >> >> > > >> > whales. They did not evolve from land-dwelling animals.
> >
> > > >> >> > > >> =A0 =A0 =A0 So how do you explain all the transitional
> > > >> >> > > >> com
> > > >> >> > > >> :
> >
> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation
> > > >> >> > > >> >> > explains how life came to be on this planet and
> > > >> >> > > >> >> > evolution explains what happened after the creation
> > > >> >> > > >> >> > process was finished. As various posters have told
> > > >> >> > > >> >> > me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution theory.
> >
> > > >> >> > > >> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the
> > > >> >> > > >> >> other apes, like the evidence shows? You accept that
> > > >> >> > > >> >> mammals evolved from reptiles, birds from dinosaurs,
> > > >> >> > > >> >> whales from land-dwelling animals, etc? Or, are you
> > > >> >> > > >> >> lying again?
> >
> > > >> >> > > >> > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the
> > > >> >> > > >> > same God created both humans and apes and as a result
> > > >> >> > > >> > used similar features in both of them.
> >
> > > >> >> > > >> > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has
> > > >> >> > > >> > taken place. However, I do believe that God did create
> > > >> >> > > >> > about a dozen types of birds and all birds evolved from
> > > >> >> > > >> > those birds. Did some birds evolve from unique types of
> > > >> >> > > >> > dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that God created
> > > >> >> > > >> > whales. They did not evolve from land-dwelling animals.
> >
> > > >> >> > > >> land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
> >
> > > >> >> > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > > >> >> > > > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the
> > > >> >> > > > scientists will eventually figure out that God created
> > > >> >> > > > whales.
> >
> > > >> >> > > =A0 =A0 Are you denying the very existence of transitional
> >
> > > >> >> > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > > >> >> > > > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the
> > > >> >> > > > scientists will eventually figure out that God created
> > > >> >> > > > whales.
> >
> > > >> >> > > whale forms Pakicetus,Indohyus, Ambulocetus, Rodhocetus,
> > > >> >> > > Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
> >
> > > >> >> > > =A0 =A0http://www.squidoo.com/whale-evolution
> > > >> >> > > Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
> >
> >
> > > >> >> > > =A0 =A0 Either those creatures never existed and their
> > > >> >> > > fossils are not really in museums all over the world,
> > > >> >> > > or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
> > > >> >> > > whales.
> >
> > > >> >> > > =A0 =A0 Which is it, do you think?
> > > >> >> > > or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
> > > >> >> > > whales.
> >
> >
> > > >> >> > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the earth
> > > >> >> > evolved from those creatures.
> >
> > > >> >> Evidence? Biblical doesn't count, since you are *trying* to speak
> > > >> >> of scientific matters.
> >
> > > >> >> > Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of years. =
> > > >> >> > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the earth
> > > >> >> > evolved from those creatures.
> >
> > > >> >> Evidence? Biblical doesn't count, since you are *trying* to speak
> > > >> >> of scientific matters.
> >
> I
> > > >> >> > have not seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or
> > > >> >> > felines have evolved into creatures that are not canines or
> > > >> >> > felines.
> >
> > > >> >> Please don't try to talk about evolution when you clearly don't
> > > >> >> have any idea of what you are talking about. Of course, that
> > > >> >> hasn't stopped you from talking about anything else that you know
> > > >> >> nothing about. However, remember that sometimes, it is better to
> > > >> >> be quiet and be thought to be a fool than to talk and leave no
> > > >> >> doubt. The latter is you.
> >
> > > >> >> > That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that God
> > > >> >> > created. They did not evolve from a creature that once lived on
> > > >> >> > the land.
> >
> > > >> >> Too bad all the evidence disagrees with you, isn't it? I guess
> > > >> >> that means that if you are right, you are worshipping a trickster
> > > >> >> god, whose aim is to fool us.
> >
> > > >> > What is the name of that land animal that whales evolved from? Rea=
> > > >> >> > have not seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or
> > > >> >> > felines have evolved into creatures that are not canines or
> > > >> >> > felines.
> >
> > > >> >> Please don't try to talk about evolution when you clearly don't
> > > >> >> have any idea of what you are talking about. Of course, that
> > > >> >> hasn't stopped you from talking about anything else that you know
> > > >> >> nothing about. However, remember that sometimes, it is better to
> > > >> >> be quiet and be thought to be a fool than to talk and leave no
> > > >> >> doubt. The latter is you.
> >
> > > >> >> > That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that God
> > > >> >> > created. They did not evolve from a creature that once lived on
> > > >> >> > the land.
> >
> > > >> >> Too bad all the evidence disagrees with you, isn't it? I guess
> > > >> >> that means that if you are right, you are worshipping a trickster
> > > >> >> god, whose aim is to fool us.
> >
> d
> > > >> > the information that is below before responding:
> >
> > > >> > "Mesonychids possess unusual triangular molar teeth that are
> > > >> > similar to those of Cetacea (whales and dolphins), especially thos=
> > > >> > the information that is below before responding:
> >
> > > >> > "Mesonychids possess unusual triangular molar teeth that are
> e
> > > >> > of the archaeocetids, as well as having similar skull anatomies an=
> d
> > > >> > other morphologic traits. For this reason, scientists had long
> > > >> > believed that mesonychids were the direct ancestor of Cetacea, but
> > > >> > the discovery of well preserved hind limbs of archaic cetaceans as
> > > >> > well as more recent phylogenetic analyses[3][4][5] now indicates
> > > >> > that cetaceans are more closely related to hippopotamids and other
> > > >> > artiodactyls than they are to mesonychids, and this result is
> > > >> > consistent with many molecular studies.[6] Most paleontologists no=
> > > >> > other morphologic traits. For this reason, scientists had long
> > > >> > believed that mesonychids were the direct ancestor of Cetacea, but
> > > >> > the discovery of well preserved hind limbs of archaic cetaceans as
> > > >> > well as more recent phylogenetic analyses[3][4][5] now indicates
> > > >> > that cetaceans are more closely related to hippopotamids and other
> > > >> > artiodactyls than they are to mesonychids, and this result is
> w
> > > >> > doubt the idea that whales are descended from mesonychids, and
> > > >> > instead suggest that whales are either descended from or share a
> > > >> > common ancestor with the anthracotheres, the semi-aquatic ancestor=
> > > >> > doubt the idea that whales are descended from mesonychids, and
> > > >> > instead suggest that whales are either descended from or share a
> s
> > > >> > of hippos."
> >
> > > >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
> >
> > > >> =A0 =A0 Do you agree then than whales evolved from a land mammal?
> >
> > > > No--I believe that the whales that are alive today evolved from the
> > > > whales that God created.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0So what about all the fossils of transitional
> > > > No--I believe that the whales that are alive today evolved from the
> > > > whales that God created.
> >
> > > whales in museums all over the world? Did God pepper
> > > the ground with fossils of transitional whales that
> > > never existed as some sort of cosmic joke?
> >
> > I don't know--let's let the scientists figure it out. They will eventuall=
> > > the ground with fossils of transitional whales that
> > > never existed as some sort of cosmic joke?
> >
> y
> > figure out that God created the whales.
> >
>
> The problem with that is that you instantly disbelieve
> them...everytime.
>
> Harry K
>
> <snip>
If they figure out that God created whales--I will agree with them and say--
> > figure out that God created the whales.
> >
>
> The problem with that is that you instantly disbelieve
> them...everytime.
>
> Harry K
>
> <snip>
"great--they finally got it right."
Jason
Apr 3, 2012, 4:09:37 AM4/3/12
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Jason
Apr 3, 2012, 4:11:32 AM4/3/12
to
In article <dfritzin-1EBF00...@news.eternal-september.org>,
You have your view-point about whale evolution and I have my view-point
about whale evolution. We are at another impasse.
about whale evolution. We are at another impasse.
Jason
Apr 3, 2012, 4:14:03 AM4/3/12
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In article
<921dd4b1-a213-4c98...@a8g2000pbe.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 11:39=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <XnsA028D90B1D1ABnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> > > >> > > =A0 =A0 Either those creatures never existed and their
> r
> > > > descended from or share a common ancestor with the anthracotheres, th=
> >
> > No--I believe that the whales that are alive today evolved from the whale=
> s
> > that God created.
>
> So God created all those fossils that show a progression "Land-to-sea"
> Did he do it to show his prowess as a trickster?
>
> Like it or not, the fossils exist and you have fit _that_ into your
> idiotic "world view"
> Harry K
No--the scientists just have not figured out that God created whales. They
once believed that whales evolved from Mesonychids. They were wrong about
that belief and will turn out to be wrong about the above mentoned
beliefs.
<921dd4b1-a213-4c98...@a8g2000pbe.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 11:39=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <XnsA028D90B1D1ABnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
> >
> > > > In article
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
> >
> > > > In article
> > > > <dfritzin-D22DDB.06524901042...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> In article
> > > >> <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > >> =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> In article
> > > >> <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > >> =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >> > >news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > >> > > > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> >
> > > >> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >> > >news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > >> > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >> > > >>news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=
> >
> > > >> > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> m
> > > >> > > >> :
> >
> > > >> > > >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation
> > > >> > > >> >> > explains how life came to be on this planet and evolutio=
> > > >> > > >> :
> >
> > > >> > > >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation
> n
> > > >> > > >> >> > explains what happened after the creation process was
> > > >> > > >> >> > finished. As various posters have told me--abiogenesis i=
> > > >> > > >> >> > explains what happened after the creation process was
> s
> > > >> > > >> >> > not part of evolution theory.
> >
> > > >> > > >> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the other
> > > >> > > >> >> apes, like the evidence shows? You accept that mammals
> > > >> > > >> >> evolved from reptiles, birds from dinosaurs, whales from
> > > >> > > >> >> land-dwelling animals, etc? Or, are you lying again?
> >
> > > >> > > >> > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the same
> > > >> > > >> > God created both humans and apes and as a result used
> > > >> > > >> > similar features in both of them.
> >
> > > >> > > >> > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken
> > > >> > > >> > place. However, I do believe that God did create about a
> > > >> > > >> > dozen types of birds and all birds evolved from those birds=
> > > >> > > >> >> > not part of evolution theory.
> >
> > > >> > > >> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the other
> > > >> > > >> >> apes, like the evidence shows? You accept that mammals
> > > >> > > >> >> evolved from reptiles, birds from dinosaurs, whales from
> > > >> > > >> >> land-dwelling animals, etc? Or, are you lying again?
> >
> > > >> > > >> > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the same
> > > >> > > >> > God created both humans and apes and as a result used
> > > >> > > >> > similar features in both of them.
> >
> > > >> > > >> > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken
> > > >> > > >> > place. However, I do believe that God did create about a
> .
> > > >> > > >> > Did some birds evolve from unique types of dinosaurs? I
> > > >> > > >> > don't know. I believe that God created whales. They did not
> > > >> > > >> > evolve from land-dwelling animals.
> >
> > > >> > > >> =A0 =A0 =A0 So how do you explain all the transitional
> > > >> > > >> > Did some birds evolve from unique types of dinosaurs? I
> > > >> > > >> > don't know. I believe that God created whales. They did not
> > > >> > > >> > evolve from land-dwelling animals.
> >
> > > >> > > >> land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
> >
> > > >> > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > > >> > > > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the
> > > >> > > > scientists will eventually figure out that God created whales.
> >
> > > >> > > =A0 =A0 Are you denying the very existence of transitional
> >
> > > >> > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > > >> > > > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the
> > > >> > > > scientists will eventually figure out that God created whales.
> >
> > > >> > > whale forms Pakicetus,Indohyus, Ambulocetus, Rodhocetus,
> > > >> > > Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
> >
> > > >> > > =A0 =A0http://www.squidoo.com/whale-evolution
> > > >> > > Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
> >
> >
> > > >> > > =A0 =A0 Either those creatures never existed and their
> > > >> > > fossils are not really in museums all over the world,
> > > >> > > or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
> > > >> > > whales.
> >
> > > >> > > =A0 =A0 Which is it, do you think?
> > > >> > > or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
> > > >> > > whales.
> >
> >
> > > >> > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the earth
> > > >> > evolved from those creatures.
> >
> > > >> Evidence? Biblical doesn't count, since you are *trying* to speak of
> > > >> scientific matters.
> >
> > > >> > Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of years. I
> > > >> > have not seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines
> > > >> > have evolved into creatures that are not canines or felines.
> >
> > > >> Please don't try to talk about evolution when you clearly don't have
> > > >> any idea of what you are talking about. Of course, that hasn't
> > > >> stopped you from talking about anything else that you know nothing
> > > >> about. However, remember that sometimes, it is better to be quiet an=
> > > >> > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the earth
> > > >> > evolved from those creatures.
> >
> > > >> Evidence? Biblical doesn't count, since you are *trying* to speak of
> > > >> scientific matters.
> >
> > > >> > Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of years. I
> > > >> > have not seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines
> > > >> > have evolved into creatures that are not canines or felines.
> >
> > > >> Please don't try to talk about evolution when you clearly don't have
> > > >> any idea of what you are talking about. Of course, that hasn't
> > > >> stopped you from talking about anything else that you know nothing
> d
> > > >> be thought to be a fool than to talk and leave no doubt. The latter
> > > >> is you.
> >
> > > >> > That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that God
> > > >> > created. They did not evolve from a creature that once lived on th=
> > > >> be thought to be a fool than to talk and leave no doubt. The latter
> > > >> is you.
> >
> > > >> > That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that God
> e
> > > >> > land.
> >
> > > >> Too bad all the evidence disagrees with you, isn't it? I guess that
> > > >> means that if you are right, you are worshipping a trickster god,
> > > >> whose aim is to fool us.
> >
> > > > What is the name of that land animal that whales evolved from? Read
> > > > the information that is below before responding:
> >
> > > > "Mesonychids possess unusual triangular molar teeth that are similar
> > > > to those of Cetacea (whales and dolphins), especially those of the
> > > > archaeocetids, as well as having similar skull anatomies and other
> > > > morphologic traits. For this reason, scientists had long believed tha=
> > > >> > land.
> >
> > > >> Too bad all the evidence disagrees with you, isn't it? I guess that
> > > >> means that if you are right, you are worshipping a trickster god,
> > > >> whose aim is to fool us.
> >
> > > > What is the name of that land animal that whales evolved from? Read
> > > > the information that is below before responding:
> >
> > > > "Mesonychids possess unusual triangular molar teeth that are similar
> > > > to those of Cetacea (whales and dolphins), especially those of the
> > > > archaeocetids, as well as having similar skull anatomies and other
> t
> > > > mesonychids were the direct ancestor of Cetacea, but the discovery of
> > > > well preserved hind limbs of archaic cetaceans as well as more recent
> > > > phylogenetic analyses[3][4][5] now indicates that cetaceans are more
> > > > closely related to hippopotamids and other artiodactyls than they are
> > > > to mesonychids, and this result is consistent with many molecular
> > > > studies.[6] Most paleontologists now doubt the idea that whales are
> > > > descended from mesonychids, and instead suggest that whales are eithe=
> > > > mesonychids were the direct ancestor of Cetacea, but the discovery of
> > > > well preserved hind limbs of archaic cetaceans as well as more recent
> > > > phylogenetic analyses[3][4][5] now indicates that cetaceans are more
> > > > closely related to hippopotamids and other artiodactyls than they are
> > > > to mesonychids, and this result is consistent with many molecular
> > > > studies.[6] Most paleontologists now doubt the idea that whales are
> r
> > > > descended from or share a common ancestor with the anthracotheres, th=
> e
> > > > semi-aquatic ancestors of hippos."
> >
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 Do you agree then than whales evolved from a land mammal?
> > > > semi-aquatic ancestors of hippos."
> >
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
> >
> >
> > No--I believe that the whales that are alive today evolved from the whale=
> s
> > that God created.
>
> So God created all those fossils that show a progression "Land-to-sea"
> Did he do it to show his prowess as a trickster?
>
> Like it or not, the fossils exist and you have fit _that_ into your
> idiotic "world view"
> Harry K
No--the scientists just have not figured out that God created whales. They
once believed that whales evolved from Mesonychids. They were wrong about
that belief and will turn out to be wrong about the above mentoned
beliefs.
Jason
Apr 3, 2012, 4:15:46 AM4/3/12
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In article
<09d07e4c-c76a-4666...@l3g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I will ask you again.
>
> Why do whales have attributes found in land dwelling mammals?
God created both whales and land dwelling mammals and as a result used
similar features and attributes.
<09d07e4c-c76a-4666...@l3g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Why do whales have attributes found in land dwelling mammals?
God created both whales and land dwelling mammals and as a result used
similar features and attributes.
Devils Advocaat
Apr 3, 2012, 4:42:23 AM4/3/12
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On Apr 3, 9:15 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
[snipped for brevity]
> > I will ask you again.
>
> > Why do whales have attributes found in land dwelling mammals?
>
> God created both whales and land dwelling mammals and as a result used
> similar features and attributes.
That doesn't really answer my question.
[snipped for brevity]
> > I will ask you again.
>
> > Why do whales have attributes found in land dwelling mammals?
>
> God created both whales and land dwelling mammals and as a result used
> similar features and attributes.
David Fritzinger
Apr 3, 2012, 6:53:56 AM4/3/12
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In article <Jason-03041...@66-53-208-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
not just create another fish, since they are better adapted to living in
the water than whales?
I know, it's that trickster god you worship again, right?
BTW, where did the water go?
> <09d07e4c-c76a-4666...@l3g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>, Devils
> Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
> Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Why do whales have attributes found in land dwelling mammals?
>
> God created both whales and land dwelling mammals and as a result used
> similar features and attributes.
Legs not attached to the pelvis? Front fins with 5 "toes" in each? Why
>
> God created both whales and land dwelling mammals and as a result used
> similar features and attributes.
not just create another fish, since they are better adapted to living in
the water than whales?
I know, it's that trickster god you worship again, right?
BTW, where did the water go?
David Fritzinger
Apr 3, 2012, 7:01:29 AM4/3/12
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In article <Jason-03041...@66-53-208-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
[snip]
us. You worship a trickster god.
[snip]
> > So God created all those fossils that show a progression "Land-to-sea"
> > Did he do it to show his prowess as a trickster?
> >
> > Like it or not, the fossils exist and you have fit _that_ into your
> > idiotic "world view"
> > Harry K
>
> No--the scientists just have not figured out that God created whales. They
> once believed that whales evolved from Mesonychids. They were wrong about
> that belief and will turn out to be wrong about the above mentoned
> beliefs.
IOW, all those fossils he put into the earth were put there just to fool
> > Did he do it to show his prowess as a trickster?
> >
> > Like it or not, the fossils exist and you have fit _that_ into your
> > idiotic "world view"
> > Harry K
>
> No--the scientists just have not figured out that God created whales. They
> once believed that whales evolved from Mesonychids. They were wrong about
> that belief and will turn out to be wrong about the above mentoned
> beliefs.
us. You worship a trickster god.
David Fritzinger
Apr 3, 2012, 7:03:27 AM4/3/12
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In article <Jason-03041...@66-53-208-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Jason again retreats to his last line of defense "You believe what you
want and I'll believe what I want."
Doesn't work that way, Jason. We are in a fact-based world, whether you
like it or not, and the facts say that whales evolved from land-dwelling
mammals. How else do you account for all the fossils we have. A
trickster god?
want and I'll believe what I want."
Doesn't work that way, Jason. We are in a fact-based world, whether you
like it or not, and the facts say that whales evolved from land-dwelling
mammals. How else do you account for all the fossils we have. A
trickster god?
Mitchell Holman
Apr 3, 2012, 9:07:52 AM4/3/12
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Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-03041...@66-53-208-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> In article <XnsA029B17F3659...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>> news:Jason-02041...@66-53-223-58.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>>
only "some" whales, you did.
Which "some" whales do YOU believe God created
which ones evolved?
news:Jason-03041...@66-53-208-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> In article <XnsA029B17F3659...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>> news:Jason-02041...@66-53-223-58.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>>
>> > If you believe whales evolved from a land animal, so be it. I know
>> > that God created some whales and that the whales living today
>> > evolved from the whales that God created.
>>
>>
>> Which whales did god create?
>>
>> Be specific.
>
> The Bible does not state which types of whales that God created.
God did not post the claim above his creating
>> > that God created some whales and that the whales living today
>> > evolved from the whales that God created.
>>
>>
>> Which whales did god create?
>>
>> Be specific.
>
> The Bible does not state which types of whales that God created.
only "some" whales, you did.
Which "some" whales do YOU believe God created
which ones evolved?
Mitchell Holman
Apr 3, 2012, 9:10:56 AM4/3/12
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Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-03041...@66-53-208-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
Of course you do. Whales still have DNA left over
from their land-dwelling past. Ergo, your Bible is wrong.
news:Jason-03041...@66-53-208-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
from their land-dwelling past. Ergo, your Bible is wrong.
Mitchell Holman
Apr 3, 2012, 9:14:21 AM4/3/12
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Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-03041...@66-53-208-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
Why are you so attached to this?
You already acknowledge the Bible is wrong about other
claims (the earth being flat, bats being birds, dragons and
unicorns) - why cannot you simply admit the Bible wrong about
whales as well?
news:Jason-03041...@66-53-208-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
You already acknowledge the Bible is wrong about other
claims (the earth being flat, bats being birds, dragons and
unicorns) - why cannot you simply admit the Bible wrong about
whales as well?
Mitchell Holman
Apr 3, 2012, 9:19:04 AM4/3/12
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Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-03041...@66-53-208-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> God created both whales and land dwelling mammals and as a result used
> similar features and attributes.
Really?
What land mammals have a baleen?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baleen
Which whales have hair?
Would it kill you to just add this whale claim to the
parts of the Bible you admit are wrong?
news:Jason-03041...@66-53-208-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> God created both whales and land dwelling mammals and as a result used
> similar features and attributes.
What land mammals have a baleen?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baleen
Which whales have hair?
Would it kill you to just add this whale claim to the
parts of the Bible you admit are wrong?
David Fritzinger
Apr 3, 2012, 9:47:15 AM4/3/12
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In article <Jason-03041...@66-53-208-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
[snip]
[snip]
> > So the fossils showing the land/water transition are just a "whale"
> > line that existed by died out?
> >
> > But then that trickster god forgot to remove the evidence that the
> > current wahles were once land animals (legs,hair)
> >
> > Hrry K
> > Harry K
>
> I have seen them--so don't know.
Get thee to a museum. Or, are you afraid to go...
> > line that existed by died out?
> >
> > But then that trickster god forgot to remove the evidence that the
> > current wahles were once land animals (legs,hair)
> >
> > Hrry K
> > Harry K
>
> I have seen them--so don't know.
Wombat
Apr 3, 2012, 9:56:23 AM4/3/12
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Wombat
Apr 3, 2012, 10:00:04 AM4/3/12
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Wombat
Apr 3, 2012, 10:03:50 AM4/3/12
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Wombat
Apr 3, 2012, 10:47:32 AM4/3/12
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On Tuesday, April 3, 2012 9:24:56 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote:
snip
snip
> > >
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> > >
> > > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the scientists will
> > > eventually figure out that God created whales.
> >
> > Why then do whales have attributes found in land dwelling mammals?
>
> God created both whales and land dwelling mammals and as a result used
> similar features. That is also the reason the organs in chimps and humans
> are similar.
Are you aware that תַּנִּין (tannin) in Genesis really means serpent, dragon or sea monster, not whale. Any comments?
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> > >
> > > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the scientists will
> > > eventually figure out that God created whales.
> >
> > Why then do whales have attributes found in land dwelling mammals?
>
> God created both whales and land dwelling mammals and as a result used
> similar features. That is also the reason the organs in chimps and humans
> are similar.
Devils Advocaat
Apr 3, 2012, 11:43:17 AM4/3/12
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harry k
Apr 3, 2012, 12:23:08 PM4/3/12
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> <2fff0397-7706-4714-ac2e-ac2fd9062...@x5g2000pbl.googlegroups.com>, harry
I will say a prayer for you that you hold your breath until such a
thing does happen.
Harry K
thing does happen.
Harry K
harry k
Apr 3, 2012, 12:32:22 PM4/3/12
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> <a0b5b25d-c34c-47b3-be13-b8317bb30...@fw28g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <dfritzin-FD41B0.13530030032...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > > >> <Jason-3003120916140...@66-53-216-63.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > >> > <dfritzin-F07384.07575330032...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > > >> > > <Jason-2903121318210...@66-53-214-147.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > >> > > > <dfritzin-80B07A.08342429032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > >> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >> > > > > In article <Jason-2803122128370...@66.53.221.101>,
> > > > >> > > > > > <dfritzin-4E45CB.21570528032...@news.eternal-september.org=
> > t
> > > > >> > > > > > > to mention
> > > > >> > > > > > > the
> > > > >> > > > > > > fact that even you have admitted it is a religious dogma=
> > .
> > > > > Religion
> > > > >> > > > > > > should not be taught in public schools. Especially not i=
> > e
> > > > >> you lying again?
>
> > > > > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the same God create=
Harry K
>
>
>
>
>
> Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 31, 6:53=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
>
> > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> > > In article <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
>
> > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <dfritzin-FD41B0.13530030032...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > > >> <Jason-3003120916140...@66-53-216-63.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > >> > <dfritzin-F07384.07575330032...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > > >> > > <Jason-2903121318210...@66-53-214-147.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > >> > > > <dfritzin-80B07A.08342429032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > >> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >> > > > > In article <Jason-2803122128370...@66.53.221.101>,
> > > > >> > > > > > <dfritzin-4E45CB.21570528032...@news.eternal-september.org=
> > > > >> > > > > [snip]
> > > > >> > > > > > > Stop lying, lying Jason. The real reason is as I
> > > > >> > > > > > > explained.
> > > > >> > Creationism
> > > > >> > > > > > > just isn't science. Never has been, never will be. There
> > > > >> > > > > > > is no
> > > > >> > testable
> > > > >> > > > > > > "theory of creationism", meaning it can't be science. No=
> > > > >> > > > > > > Stop lying, lying Jason. The real reason is as I
> > > > >> > > > > > > explained.
> > > > >> > Creationism
> > > > >> > > > > > > just isn't science. Never has been, never will be. There
> > > > >> > > > > > > is no
> > > > >> > testable
> > t
> > > > >> > > > > > > to mention
> > > > >> > > > > > > the
> > > > >> > > > > > > fact that even you have admitted it is a religious dogma=
> > .
> > > > > Religion
> > > > >> > > > > > > should not be taught in public schools. Especially not i=
> > n
> > > > >> > > > > > > science class.
>
> > > > >> > > > > > > For once in your life, will you finally stop lying?
>
> > > > >> > > > > > Thank goodness for Christian schools and home schooling
> > > > > programs. At
> > > > >> > > > > > least
> > > > >> > > > > > some children are learning the truth about how life came t=
> > > > >> > > > > > > science class.
>
> > > > >> > > > > > > For once in your life, will you finally stop lying?
>
> > > > >> > > > > > Thank goodness for Christian schools and home schooling
> > > > > programs. At
> > > > >> > > > > > least
> > o
> > > > >> > > > > > be on this
> > > > >> > > > > > planet.
>
> > > > >> > > > > Yeah, we need more burger flippers.
>
> > > > >> > > > > Kids who are taught the lies you want taught will never make
> > > > >> > > > > it into science. This will result in far fewer scientists an=
> > > > >> > > > > > be on this
> > > > >> > > > > > planet.
>
> > > > >> > > > > Yeah, we need more burger flippers.
>
> > > > >> > > > > Kids who are taught the lies you want taught will never make
> > d
> > > > >> > > > > engineers
> > > > > in the
> > > > >> > > > > US, which will eventually have us end up as a third world
> > > > > country. Tell
> > > > >> > > > > me, Jason, why do you hate the US so much? What did the
> > > > >> > > > > country do to you that you want to destroy it?
>
> > > > >> > > > > By the way, why do you worship a trickster god? You claim al=
> > > > >> > > > > engineers
> > > > > in the
> > > > >> > > > > US, which will eventually have us end up as a third world
> > > > > country. Tell
> > > > >> > > > > me, Jason, why do you hate the US so much? What did the
> > > > >> > > > > country do to you that you want to destroy it?
>
> > l
> > > > >> > > > > of
> > > > > these
> > > > >> > > > > things, but the evidence says exactly the opposite.
> > > > >> > > > > Therefore, your trickster god must be planting evidence to
> > > > >> > > > > fool us. Why are you worshipping a trickster god? You have
> > > > >> > > > > yet to answer this question.
>
> > > > >> > > > > Oh yes, speaking of unanswered questions, where did the wate=
> > > > >> > > > > of
> > > > > these
> > > > >> > > > > things, but the evidence says exactly the opposite.
> > > > >> > > > > Therefore, your trickster god must be planting evidence to
> > > > >> > > > > fool us. Why are you worshipping a trickster god? You have
> > > > >> > > > > yet to answer this question.
>
> > r
> > > > >> > > > > go?
>
> > > > >> > > > They are also taught evolution since their teachers know they
> > > > >> > > > will need that information to help them pass college biology
> > > > >> > > > 101 classes.
>
> > > > >> > > So, you are saying they are taught what they believe are lies?
> > > > >> > > What kind of Christian would tell lies to their children?
>
> > > > >> > > Why are you ignoring my question about where the water went?
>
> > > > >> > > > > go?
>
> > > > >> > > > They are also taught evolution since their teachers know they
> > > > >> > > > will need that information to help them pass college biology
> > > > >> > > > 101 classes.
>
> > > > >> > > So, you are saying they are taught what they believe are lies?
> > > > >> > > What kind of Christian would tell lies to their children?
>
> > > > >> > > Why are you ignoring my question about where the water went?
>
> > > > >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation explains how
> > > > >> > life came to be on this planet and evolution explains what happene=
> > d
> > > > >> > after the creation process was finished. As various posters have
> > > > >> > told me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution theory.
>
> > > > >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the other apes, lik=
> > > > >> > after the creation process was finished. As various posters have
> > > > >> > told me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution theory.
>
> > e
> > > > >> the evidence shows? You accept that mammals evolved from reptiles,
> > > > >> birds from dinosaurs, whales from land-dwelling animals, etc? Or, ar=
> > > > >> the evidence shows? You accept that mammals evolved from reptiles,
> > e
> > > > >> you lying again?
>
> > > > > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the same God create=
> > d
> > > > > both humans and apes and as a result used similar features in both of
> > > > > them.
>
> > > > > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken place.
> > > > > However, I do believe that God did create about a dozen types of bird=
> > > > > both humans and apes and as a result used similar features in both of
> > > > > them.
>
> > > > > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has taken place.
> > s
> > > > > and all birds evolved from those birds. Did some birds evolve from
> > > > > unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that God created
> > > > > whales. They did not evolve from land-dwelling animals.
>
> > > > =A0 =A0 =A0 So how do you explain all the transitional
> > > > land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
>
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
>
> > > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the scientists will
> > > eventually figure out that God created whales.
>
> > > > > and all birds evolved from those birds. Did some birds evolve from
> > > > > unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that God created
> > > > > whales. They did not evolve from land-dwelling animals.
>
> > > > =A0 =A0 =A0 So how do you explain all the transitional
> > > > land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
>
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
>
> > > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the scientists will
> > > eventually figure out that God created whales.
>
> > Why then do whales have attributes found in land dwelling mammals?
>
> God created both whales and land dwelling mammals and as a result used
> similar features. That is also the reason the organs in chimps and humans
> are similar.
How many times did God come down and create creatures?
>
> God created both whales and land dwelling mammals and as a result used
> similar features. That is also the reason the organs in chimps and humans
> are similar.
Harry K
harry k
Apr 3, 2012, 12:27:13 PM4/3/12
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On Apr 3, 1:03 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA029B17F3659nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> In article <Jason-0104121735560...@66.53.222.59>,
> > >> > <dfritzin-D22DDB.06524901042...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > >> > > <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> > > > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
It also mentions nothing at all about creating two kinds of whales.
Adding stuff to the bible again are you?
Harry K
> In article <XnsA029B17F3659nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
>
>
>
>
>
> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-02041...@66-53-223-58.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > > In article
> > > <dfritzin-CC0139.07010002042...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
>
>
>
>
> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-02041...@66-53-223-58.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > > In article
> > > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> In article <Jason-0104121735560...@66.53.222.59>,
> > >> > <dfritzin-D22DDB.06524901042...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > >> > > <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> > > > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > >> > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >> > > > >news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co
> > >> > > > > m:
>
> > >> > > > > > In article
> > >> > > > > > <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
>
> > >> > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >> > > > >news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co
> > >> > > > > m:
>
> > >> > > > > > In article
Adding stuff to the bible again are you?
Harry K
harry k
Apr 3, 2012, 12:29:54 PM4/3/12
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> <9bbb3e9a-4fee-4864-9081-88073afb2...@oo9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry
Lieing again? He did not say that whales evovled from bears. Got
back and reread the posts that explained that to you...multiple times.
Harry k
back and reread the posts that explained that to you...multiple times.
Harry k
Jason
Apr 3, 2012, 4:05:03 PM4/3/12
to
In article
<39f3a0c8-83d1-4271...@jx17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
harry k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 3, 1:03=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <XnsA029B17F3659nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-02041...@66-53-223-58.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > In article
> > > > <dfritzin-CC0139.07010002042...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> In article <Jason-0104121735560...@66.53.222.59>,
> >
> > > >> > > > > =A0 =A0 Either those creatures never existed and their
> >
> > > >> > > > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the eart=
> e
> > > >> > of the archaeocetids, as well as having similar skull anatomies an=
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 Be specific.
Bible just uses the term "whales".
<39f3a0c8-83d1-4271...@jx17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
harry k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 3, 1:03=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <XnsA029B17F3659nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-02041...@66-53-223-58.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > In article
> > > > <dfritzin-CC0139.07010002042...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> In article <Jason-0104121735560...@66.53.222.59>,
> > > >> =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > >> > In article
> > > >> > <dfritzin-D22DDB.06524901042...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > >> > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > In article
> > > >> > > <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >
> > > >> > In article
> > > >> > <dfritzin-D22DDB.06524901042...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > >> > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > In article
> > > >> > > <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > >> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > >> > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >> > > > >news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.c=
> >
> > > >> > > > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > >> > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> o
> > > >> > > > > m:
> >
> > > >> > > > > > In article
> > > >> > > > > > <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > >> > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >> > > > > >>news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pacwes=
> > > >> > > > > m:
> >
> > > >> > > > > > In article
> > > >> > > > > > <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > >> > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> t
> > > >> > > > > >> .com:
> >
> > > >> > > > > >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation
> > > > explains how
> > > >> > > > > >> >> > life came to be on this planet and evolution explain=
> > > >> > > > > >> .com:
> >
> > > >> > > > > >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creation
> > > > explains how
> s
> > > >> > > > > >> >> > what happened after the creation process was
> > > >> > > > > >> >> > finished. As various posters have told
> > > >> > > > > >> >> > me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution
> > > >> > > > > >> >> > theory.
> >
> > > >> > > > > >> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the
> > > >> > > > > >> >> other apes, like the evidence shows? You accept that
> > > >> > > > > >> >> mammals evolved from reptiles, birds from dinosaurs,
> > > >> > > > > >> >> whales from land-dwelling
> > > > animals,
> > > >> > > > > >> >> etc? Or, are you lying again?
> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the
> > > >> > > > > >> > same God created both humans and apes and as a result
> > > >> > > > > >> > used similar
> > > > features
> > > >> > > > > >> > in both of them.
> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has
> > > >> > > > > >> > taken place. However, I do believe that God did create
> > > >> > > > > >> > about a dozen types of birds and all birds evolved from
> > > >> > > > > >> > those birds. Did some
> > > > birds evolve
> > > >> > > > > >> > from unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe
> > > >> > > > > >> > that God created whales. They did not evolve from
> > > >> > > > > >> > land-dwelling animals.
> >
> > > >> > > > > >> =A0 =A0 =A0 So how do you explain all the transitional
> > > >> > > > > >> >> > what happened after the creation process was
> > > >> > > > > >> >> > finished. As various posters have told
> > > >> > > > > >> >> > me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution
> > > >> > > > > >> >> > theory.
> >
> > > >> > > > > >> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to the
> > > >> > > > > >> >> other apes, like the evidence shows? You accept that
> > > >> > > > > >> >> mammals evolved from reptiles, birds from dinosaurs,
> > > >> > > > > >> >> whales from land-dwelling
> > > > animals,
> > > >> > > > > >> >> etc? Or, are you lying again?
> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > Great question. Humans and apes are related since the
> > > >> > > > > >> > same God created both humans and apes and as a result
> > > >> > > > > >> > used similar
> > > > features
> > > >> > > > > >> > in both of them.
> >
> > > >> > > > > >> > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has
> > > >> > > > > >> > taken place. However, I do believe that God did create
> > > >> > > > > >> > about a dozen types of birds and all birds evolved from
> > > >> > > > > >> > those birds. Did some
> > > > birds evolve
> > > >> > > > > >> > from unique types of dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe
> > > >> > > > > >> > that God created whales. They did not evolve from
> > > >> > > > > >> > land-dwelling animals.
> >
> > > >> > > > > >> land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
> >
> > > >> > > > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > > >> > > > > > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the
> > > >> > > > > > scientists will eventually figure out that God created
> > > >> > > > > > whales.
> >
> > > >> > > > > =A0 =A0 Are you denying the very existence of transitional
> >
> > > >> > > > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > > >> > > > > > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the
> > > >> > > > > > scientists will eventually figure out that God created
> > > >> > > > > > whales.
> >
> > > >> > > > > whale forms Pakicetus,Indohyus, Ambulocetus, Rodhocetus,
> > > >> > > > > Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
> >
> > > >> > > > > =A0 =A0http://www.squidoo.com/whale-evolution
> > > >> > > > > Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
> >
> >
> > > >> > > > > =A0 =A0 Either those creatures never existed and their
> > > >> > > > > fossils are not really in museums all over the world,
> > > >> > > > > or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
> > > >> > > > > whales.
> >
> > > >> > > > > =A0 =A0 Which is it, do you think?
> > > >> > > > > or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
> > > >> > > > > whales.
> >
> >
> > > >> > > > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the eart=
> h
> > > >> > > > evolved from those creatures.
> >
> > > >> > > Evidence? Biblical doesn't count, since you are *trying* to spea=
> > > >> > > > evolved from those creatures.
> >
> k
> > > >> > > of scientific matters.
> >
> > > >> > > > Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of years.
> > > >> > > > I
> > > > have not
> > > >> > > > seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines have
> > > >> > > > evolved into creatures that are not canines or felines.
> >
> > > >> > > Please don't try to talk about evolution when you clearly don't
> > > >> > > have any idea of what you are talking about. Of course, that
> > > >> > > hasn't stopped you from talking about anything else that you kno=
> > > >> > > of scientific matters.
> >
> > > >> > > > Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of years.
> > > >> > > > I
> > > > have not
> > > >> > > > seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or felines have
> > > >> > > > evolved into creatures that are not canines or felines.
> >
> > > >> > > Please don't try to talk about evolution when you clearly don't
> > > >> > > have any idea of what you are talking about. Of course, that
> w
> > > >> > > nothing about. However, remember that sometimes, it is better to
> > > >> > > be quiet and be thought to be a fool than to talk and leave no
> > > >> > > doubt. The latter is you.
> >
> > > >> > > > That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that God
> > > >> > > > created. They did not evolve from a creature that once lived o=
> > > >> > > nothing about. However, remember that sometimes, it is better to
> > > >> > > be quiet and be thought to be a fool than to talk and leave no
> > > >> > > doubt. The latter is you.
> >
> > > >> > > > That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that God
> n
> > > >> > > > the land.
> >
> > > >> > > Too bad all the evidence disagrees with you, isn't it? I guess
> > > >> > > that means that if you are right, you are worshipping a trickste=
> > > >> > > > the land.
> >
> > > >> > > Too bad all the evidence disagrees with you, isn't it? I guess
> r
> > > >> > > god, whose aim is to fool us.
> >
> > > >> > What is the name of that land animal that whales evolved from? Rea=
> > > >> > > god, whose aim is to fool us.
> >
> d
> > > >> > the information that is below before responding:
> >
> > > >> > "Mesonychids possess unusual triangular molar teeth that are
> > > >> > similar to those of Cetacea (whales and dolphins), especially thos=
> > > >> > the information that is below before responding:
> >
> > > >> > "Mesonychids possess unusual triangular molar teeth that are
> e
> > > >> > of the archaeocetids, as well as having similar skull anatomies an=
> d
> > > >> > other morphologic traits. For this reason, scientists had long
> > > >> > believed that mesonychids were the direct ancestor of Cetacea, but
> > > >> > the discovery of well preserved hind limbs of archaic cetaceans as
> > > >> > well as more recent phylogenetic analyses[3][4][5] now indicates
> > > >> > that cetaceans are more closely related to hippopotamids and other
> > > >> > artiodactyls than they are to mesonychids, and this result is
> > > >> > consistent with many molecular studies.[6] Most paleontologists no=
> > > >> > other morphologic traits. For this reason, scientists had long
> > > >> > believed that mesonychids were the direct ancestor of Cetacea, but
> > > >> > the discovery of well preserved hind limbs of archaic cetaceans as
> > > >> > well as more recent phylogenetic analyses[3][4][5] now indicates
> > > >> > that cetaceans are more closely related to hippopotamids and other
> > > >> > artiodactyls than they are to mesonychids, and this result is
> w
> > > >> > doubt the idea that whales are descended from mesonychids, and
> > > >> > instead suggest that whales are either descended from or share a
> > > >> > common ancestor with the anthracotheres, the semi-aquatic ancestor=
> > > >> > doubt the idea that whales are descended from mesonychids, and
> > > >> > instead suggest that whales are either descended from or share a
> s
> > > >> > of hippos."
> >
> > > >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
> >
> > > >> Does it matter which land mammal whales descended from? The evidence
> > > >> is still that they descended from land mammals. The bottom line is
> > > >> that science makes mistakes, but corrects them. However, there will
> > > >> be no major correction where a disproven hypothesis (Creationism, if
> > > >> it even measures up to being a hypothesis) is revived and believed.
> > > >> It just doesn't happen, since any new theory would still have to
> > > >> explain the same evidence for evolution.
> >
> > > > If you believe whales evolved from a land animal, so be it. I know
> > > > that God created some whales and that the whales living today evolved
> > > > from the whales that God created.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 Which whales did god create?
> > > >> > of hippos."
> >
> > > >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesonychid
> >
> > > >> Does it matter which land mammal whales descended from? The evidence
> > > >> is still that they descended from land mammals. The bottom line is
> > > >> that science makes mistakes, but corrects them. However, there will
> > > >> be no major correction where a disproven hypothesis (Creationism, if
> > > >> it even measures up to being a hypothesis) is revived and believed.
> > > >> It just doesn't happen, since any new theory would still have to
> > > >> explain the same evidence for evolution.
> >
> > > > If you believe whales evolved from a land animal, so be it. I know
> > > > that God created some whales and that the whales living today evolved
> > > > from the whales that God created.
> >
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 Be specific.
> >
> > The Bible does not state which types of whales that God created.
>
> It also mentions nothing at all about creating two kinds of whales.
> Adding stuff to the bible again are you?
>
> Harry K
To be clear--I don't know how many types of whales that God created. The
> > The Bible does not state which types of whales that God created.
>
> It also mentions nothing at all about creating two kinds of whales.
> Adding stuff to the bible again are you?
>
> Harry K
Bible just uses the term "whales".
Jason
Apr 3, 2012, 4:06:51 PM4/3/12
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In article <XnsA02A51EFB2B26...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> news:Jason-03041...@66-53-208-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > In article <XnsA029B17F3659...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >> news:Jason-02041...@66-53-223-58.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >>
> >> > If you believe whales evolved from a land animal, so be it. I know
> >> > that God created some whales and that the whales living today
> >> > evolved from the whales that God created.
> >>
> >>
> >> Which whales did god create?
> >>
> >> Be specific.
> >
> > The Bible does not state which types of whales that God created.
>
>
>
> God did not post the claim above his creating
> only "some" whales, you did.
>
> Which "some" whales do YOU believe God created
> which ones evolved?
God created at least one type of whales--my guess is the humpback whale.
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> news:Jason-03041...@66-53-208-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > In article <XnsA029B17F3659...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >> news:Jason-02041...@66-53-223-58.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >>
> >> > If you believe whales evolved from a land animal, so be it. I know
> >> > that God created some whales and that the whales living today
> >> > evolved from the whales that God created.
> >>
> >>
> >> Which whales did god create?
> >>
> >> Be specific.
> >
> > The Bible does not state which types of whales that God created.
>
>
>
> God did not post the claim above his creating
> only "some" whales, you did.
>
> Which "some" whales do YOU believe God created
> which ones evolved?
Jason
Apr 3, 2012, 4:08:33 PM4/3/12
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In article
<717a1eea-143f-4811...@t2g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 3, 1:08=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <2fff0397-7706-4714-ac2e-ac2fd9062...@x5g2000pbl.googlegroups.com>, harry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 2, 1:14=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <XnsA0294C82366DBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitche=
> >
> > > > > >> >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131=
> t.co=3D
> west=3D
> > > .
> > > > > >> >> > > >> com
> > > > > >> >> > > >> :
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creatio=
> on
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > process was finished. As various posters have tol=
> e
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> other apes, like the evidence shows? You accept tha=
> t
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> mammals evolved from reptiles, birds from dinosaurs=
> e
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > same God created both humans and apes and as a resul=
> te
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > about a dozen types of birds and all birds evolved f=
> rom
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > those birds. Did some birds evolve from unique types=
> ls.
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > >> =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 So how do you explain all the transi=
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > =3DA0 =3DA0 Either those creatures never existed and thei=
> >
> > > > > >> >> > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the e=
> peak
> > > > > >> >> of scientific matters.
> >
> > > > > >> >> > Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of yea=
> rs. =3D
> know
> > > > > >> >> nothing about. However, remember that sometimes, it is better=
> to
> > > > > >> >> be quiet and be thought to be a fool than to talk and leave n=
> od
> > > > > >> >> > created. They did not evolve from a creature that once live=
> d on
> > > > > >> >> > the land.
> >
> > > > > >> >> Too bad all the evidence disagrees with you, isn't it? I gues=
> s
> > > > > >> >> that means that if you are right, you are worshipping a trick=
> Rea=3D
> thos=3D
> > > e
> > > > > >> > of the archaeocetids, as well as having similar skull anatomie=
> s an=3D
> but
> > > > > >> > the discovery of well preserved hind limbs of archaic cetacean=
> s as
> > > > > >> > well as more recent phylogenetic analyses[3][4][5] now indicat=
> es
> > > > > >> > that cetaceans are more closely related to hippopotamids and o=
> s no=3D
> a
> > > > > >> > common ancestor with the anthracotheres, the semi-aquatic ance=
> stor=3D
> > > > > >> =3DA0 =3DA0 Do you agree then than whales evolved from a land ma=
> mmal?
> >
> > > > > > No--I believe that the whales that are alive today evolved from t=
> he
> > > > > > whales that God created.
> >
> > > > > =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0So what about all the fossils of transitional
> uall=3D
<717a1eea-143f-4811...@t2g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 3, 1:08=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <2fff0397-7706-4714-ac2e-ac2fd9062...@x5g2000pbl.googlegroups.com>, harry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > In article <XnsA0294C82366DBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitche=
> ll
> >
> > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.223:
> >
> > > > > > In article <XnsA028D90B1D1ABnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > > >>news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
> >
> > > > > >> > In article
> > > > > >> > <dfritzin-D22DDB.06524901042...@news.eternal-september.org>, D=
> >
> > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > >news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.223:
> >
> > > > > > In article <XnsA028D90B1D1ABnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > > >>news:Jason-01041...@66.53.222.59:
> >
> > > > > >> > In article
> avid
> > > > > >> > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> >> In article
> > > > > >> >> <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > >> >> =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > >> > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> >> In article
> > > > > >> >> <Jason-3103122305120...@66-53-209-96.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >
> > > > > >> >> > In article <XnsA02764C453BBnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131=
> >,
> > > > > >> >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > > >> >> > >news:Jason-30031...@66-53-209-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwes=
> > > > > >> >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> t.co=3D
> > > m
> > > > > >> >> > > :
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > > In article
> > > > > >> >> > > > <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > > > >> >> > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > > >> >> > > >>news:Jason-30031...@67-150-168-12.lsan.mdsg-pac=
> > > > > >> >> > > :
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > > In article
> > > > > >> >> > > > <XnsA026DBEAD58E8nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > > > >> >> > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> west=3D
> > > .
> > > > > >> >> > > >> com
> > > > > >> >> > > >> :
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > Creation and evolution fit well together. Creatio=
> n
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > explains how life came to be on this planet and
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > evolution explains what happened after the creati=
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > explains how life came to be on this planet and
> on
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > process was finished. As various posters have tol=
> d
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution theory.
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> So you accept that humans are closely related to th=
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > me--abiogenesis is not part of evolution theory.
> >
> e
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> other apes, like the evidence shows? You accept tha=
> t
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> mammals evolved from reptiles, birds from dinosaurs=
> ,
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> whales from land-dwelling animals, etc? Or, are you
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> lying again?
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > Great question. Humans and apes are related since th=
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> whales from land-dwelling animals, etc? Or, are you
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> lying again?
> >
> e
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > same God created both humans and apes and as a resul=
> t
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > used similar features in both of them.
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > taken place. However, I do believe that God did crea=
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > used similar features in both of them.
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > Evolution related to reptiles, animals and birds has
> te
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > about a dozen types of birds and all birds evolved f=
> rom
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > those birds. Did some birds evolve from unique types=
> of
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that God created
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > whales. They did not evolve from land-dwelling anima=
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > dinosaurs? I don't know. I believe that God created
> ls.
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > >> =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 So how do you explain all the transi=
> tional
> > > > > >> >> > > >> land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the
> > > > > >> >> > > > scientists will eventually figure out that God created
> > > > > >> >> > > > whales.
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > =3DA0 =3DA0 Are you denying the very existence of transit=
> > > > > >> >> > > >> land-mammal-to-whale species in the fossil record?
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > > I don't believe that information. I have faith that the
> > > > > >> >> > > > scientists will eventually figure out that God created
> > > > > >> >> > > > whales.
> >
> ional
> > > > > >> >> > > whale forms Pakicetus,Indohyus, Ambulocetus, Rodhocetus,
> > > > > >> >> > > Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > =3DA0 =3DA0http://www.squidoo.com/whale-evolution
> > > > > >> >> > > whale forms Pakicetus,Indohyus, Ambulocetus, Rodhocetus,
> > > > > >> >> > > Basilosaurus, Remingtoncetidae, etc?
> >
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > =3DA0 =3DA0 Either those creatures never existed and thei=
> r
> > > > > >> >> > > fossils are not really in museums all over the world,
> > > > > >> >> > > or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
> > > > > >> >> > > whales.
> >
> > > > > >> >> > > =3DA0 =3DA0 Which is it, do you think?
> > > > > >> >> > > fossils are not really in museums all over the world,
> > > > > >> >> > > or they did exist and do establish the evolution of
> > > > > >> >> > > whales.
> >
> >
> > > > > >> >> > God created life on this planet. Any creatures now on the e=
> arth
> > > > > >> >> > evolved from those creatures.
> >
> > > > > >> >> Evidence? Biblical doesn't count, since you are *trying* to s=
> > > > > >> >> > evolved from those creatures.
> >
> peak
> > > > > >> >> of scientific matters.
> >
> > > > > >> >> > Canines and felines have been on the earth thousands of yea=
> rs. =3D
> > > I
> > > > > >> >> > have not seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or
> > > > > >> >> > felines have evolved into creatures that are not canines or
> > > > > >> >> > felines.
> >
> > > > > >> >> Please don't try to talk about evolution when you clearly don=
> > > > > >> >> > have not seen any evidence to indicate that any canines or
> > > > > >> >> > felines have evolved into creatures that are not canines or
> > > > > >> >> > felines.
> >
> 't
> > > > > >> >> have any idea of what you are talking about. Of course, that
> > > > > >> >> hasn't stopped you from talking about anything else that you =
> > > > > >> >> have any idea of what you are talking about. Of course, that
> know
> > > > > >> >> nothing about. However, remember that sometimes, it is better=
> to
> > > > > >> >> be quiet and be thought to be a fool than to talk and leave n=
> o
> > > > > >> >> doubt. The latter is you.
> >
> > > > > >> >> > That means to me that whales evolved from the whales that G=
> > > > > >> >> doubt. The latter is you.
> >
> od
> > > > > >> >> > created. They did not evolve from a creature that once live=
> d on
> > > > > >> >> > the land.
> >
> > > > > >> >> Too bad all the evidence disagrees with you, isn't it? I gues=
> s
> > > > > >> >> that means that if you are right, you are worshipping a trick=
> ster
> > > > > >> >> god, whose aim is to fool us.
> >
> > > > > >> > What is the name of that land animal that whales evolved from?=
> > > > > >> >> god, whose aim is to fool us.
> >
> Rea=3D
> > > d
> > > > > >> > the information that is below before responding:
> >
> > > > > >> > "Mesonychids possess unusual triangular molar teeth that are
> > > > > >> > similar to those of Cetacea (whales and dolphins), especially =
> > > > > >> > the information that is below before responding:
> >
> > > > > >> > "Mesonychids possess unusual triangular molar teeth that are
> thos=3D
> > > e
> > > > > >> > of the archaeocetids, as well as having similar skull anatomie=
> s an=3D
> > > d
> > > > > >> > other morphologic traits. For this reason, scientists had long
> > > > > >> > believed that mesonychids were the direct ancestor of Cetacea,=
> > > > > >> > other morphologic traits. For this reason, scientists had long
> but
> > > > > >> > the discovery of well preserved hind limbs of archaic cetacean=
> s as
> > > > > >> > well as more recent phylogenetic analyses[3][4][5] now indicat=
> es
> > > > > >> > that cetaceans are more closely related to hippopotamids and o=
> ther
> > > > > >> > artiodactyls than they are to mesonychids, and this result is
> > > > > >> > consistent with many molecular studies.[6] Most paleontologist=
> > > > > >> > artiodactyls than they are to mesonychids, and this result is
> s no=3D
> > > w
> > > > > >> > doubt the idea that whales are descended from mesonychids, and
> > > > > >> > instead suggest that whales are either descended from or share=
> > > > > >> > doubt the idea that whales are descended from mesonychids, and
> a
> > > > > >> > common ancestor with the anthracotheres, the semi-aquatic ance=
> stor=3D
> > > > > >> =3DA0 =3DA0 Do you agree then than whales evolved from a land ma=
> mmal?
> >
> > > > > > No--I believe that the whales that are alive today evolved from t=
> he
> > > > > > whales that God created.
> >
> > > > > =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0So what about all the fossils of transitional
> > > > > whales in museums all over the world? Did God pepper
> > > > > the ground with fossils of transitional whales that
> > > > > never existed as some sort of cosmic joke?
> >
> > > > I don't know--let's let the scientists figure it out. They will event=
> > > > > the ground with fossils of transitional whales that
> > > > > never existed as some sort of cosmic joke?
> >
> uall=3D
> > > y
> > > > figure out that God created the whales.
> >
> > > The problem with that is that you instantly disbelieve
> > > them...everytime.
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > > <snip>
> >
> > If they figure out that God created whales--I will agree with them and sa=
> > > > figure out that God created the whales.
> >
> > > The problem with that is that you instantly disbelieve
> > > them...everytime.
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > > <snip>
> >
> y--
> > "great--they finally got it right."
>
> I will say a prayer for you that you hold your breath until such a
> thing does happen.
>
> Harry K
Also pray that Psalm 109:8 applies to Obama.
> > "great--they finally got it right."
>
> I will say a prayer for you that you hold your breath until such a
> thing does happen.
>
> Harry K
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