http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu-with-p-7f81b96.html
LOL,
One understands they want to keep that ritual a secret. ;-)
Erwin Moller
--
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
-- C.A.R. Hoare
Do you not respect other people's way of life and cultural diversity?
Aren't you atheist liberals the ones that started it all and now you're
complaining that someone is acting in a way you don't agree with, you
freaking hypocrite? You're just another moron in an endless stream of
idiots that come and go.
The swine flu virus is an atheist liberal? How do you know? And do you
really think an appeal to political correctness is going to convince the
virus to give in to kabbalic treatment?
Of course I have respect for the way other people live, but that
doesn't mean I can't wonder at why in this modern age a small group of
people choose to resort to ancient rituals which have rarely if ever
proven effective in the fight against disease and then claim that the
danger has passed.
> Aren't you atheist liberals the ones that started it all
I am not an atheist liberal, and what are atheist liberals supposed to
have started?
Are you suggesting that atheist liberals are responsible for the
emergence and spread of the A(H1N1) influenza virus?
> and now you're
> complaining that someone is acting in a way you don't agree with,
Where have I actually complained about the way they are doing things?
> you
> freaking hypocrite?
Now for me to be a hypocrite (freaking or otherwise), I would have to
have made my position on a given issue public and then behaved in a
way that runs counter to the said position. As I haven't done this, I
am not a hypocrite (freaking or otherwise).
> You're just another moron in an endless stream of
> idiots that come and go.
This could be taken as a complement as morons have a higher IQ and
mental age than idiots, but I will have to disappoint you and tell you
that my IQ and mental age are much higher than that of a moron.
That plus frequent hand-washing should help. But one wonders why they don't
do this for all flu seasons and for the "common" cold.
--
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)
Geee.... Weren't you saying you didn't have time for anything that
did not have any practical use? What practicla use, escecially when
it comes to desease prevention, is that in a bunch of blokes blowing a
rams horn?
> Aren't you atheist liberals the ones that started it all
Started what?
> and now you're
> complaining that someone is acting in a way you don't agree with,
Like all those researchers studying biological evolution?
> you
> freaking hypocrite?
And there it is. The irony meter evaporation event.
> You're just another moron in an endless stream of
> idiots that come and go.
"adman" jumps to mind.
Boikat
don't you religious fanatics realize that, for thousands of years your
rituals led nowhere but to death? you KILL people and yet you demand
respect.
creationism kills
It is as good as any other religions approach.
.
It is not the sect that was being made fun of, but the raw display of
superstition by the theists. People who don't see a reason to believe in
deities think such things are very funny.
.
>
> That plus frequent hand-washing should help. But one wonders why they don't
> do this for all flu seasons and for the "common" cold.
>
> --
> Mike Dworetsky
>
> (Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)
Swine flu isn't kosher?
The Catholic church's stand against condoms causes the death of thousands
every year.
.
Really? Everyone who engaged in the rituals died? That sure is
powerful magic.
>you KILL people and yet you demand
>respect.
And when were the rabbis killing people?
>creationism kills
And what does this thread have to do with creationism?
--
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>Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
>fight swine flu:
>
>http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu-with-p-7f81b96.html
"Dozens of Israeli rabbis versed in the esoteric secrets of the
Kabbalah ..."
As a first approximation, if you stop reading at the word Kabbalah you
will never go wrong.
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:46:24 -0700 (PDT), in talk.origins , Devils
> Advocaat <mank...@yahoo.co.uk> in
> <f3d96472-bc45-4f74...@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
> >fight swine flu:
> >
> >http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu-wi
> >th-p-7f81b96.html
>
>
> "Dozens of Israeli rabbis versed in the esoteric secrets of the
> Kabbalah ..."
>
> As a first approximation, if you stop reading at the word Kabbalah you
> will never go wrong.
I don't know. I'm rereading Chaim Potok's _Book of Lights_ right now...
--
John S. Wilkins, Philosophy, University of Sydney
http://evolvingthoughts.net
But al be that he was a philosophre,
Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre
Just another superstitious cult, nothing more. They are a dime a dozen.
.
>On Aug 11, 6:34 am, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
>> Devils Advocaat wrote:
>> > Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
>> > fight swine flu:
>>
>> >http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-fl...
>>
>> Do you not respect other people's way of life and cultural diversity?
>> Aren't you atheist liberals the ones that started it all and now you're
>> complaining that someone is acting in a way you don't agree with, you
>> freaking hypocrite? You're just another moron in an endless stream of
>> idiots that come and go.
>
>don't you religious fanatics realize that, for thousands of years your
>rituals led nowhere but to death?
Really? Everyone who engaged in the rituals died? That sure is
powerful magic.
Well eventually they all die or will die, despite all the quantity and
quality of their rituals.
.
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It isn't clear to me whether a virus is animal or vegetable or something
else. Jewish law presents a list of characteristics that make animals
kosher to eat. The virus isn't on the list so it isn't kosher, but if it is
a vegetable, then it is automatically kosher...it's all very clear.
The only non-kosher thing about H1N1 is the name, but you don't eat the
name. It is not against the kashrut or other rules for Jews to wear suede,
9nless they plan to eat their clothes, so surely getting something in which
only the popular name is associated with a treyf animal is pushing the idea
too far.
The rabbis are praying for protection from the disease because it can kill,
not because of the name.
>Of course I have respect for the way other people live, but that
>doesn't mean I can't wonder at why in this modern age a small group of
>people choose to resort to ancient rituals which have rarely if ever
>proven effective in the fight against disease and then claim that the
>danger has passed.
>> Aren't you atheist liberals the ones that started it all
>I am not an atheist liberal, and what are atheist liberals supposed to
>have started?
God is an atheist liberal whose works have not been totally
successful because He lacks self-confidence.
--
--- Paul J. Gans
An omnipotent deity with self-esteem issues would explain a lot of the
nastier sections of the Old Testament.
Chris
Did you see the part where the Israeli Minister of Health wanted to
change the name to "Mexican Flu"? How's that for a compliment?
Chris
>Devils Advocaat wrote:
>> Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
>> fight swine flu:
>>
>> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu-with-p-7f81b96.html
>>
>
>Do you not respect other people's way of life and cultural diversity?
So you're in favour of gay marriage?
>Aren't you atheist liberals the ones that started it all and now you're
>complaining that someone is acting in a way you don't agree with, you
>freaking hypocrite? You're just another moron in an endless stream of
>idiots that come and go.
Do you think this plan has a chance of working?
Not when there are global health issues which could harm me.
The last with much justification. When Captain Cook visited Tahiti to
observe the transit of Venus, his men left behind more than just a few
buildings.
But as it turns out, the origin of syphilis is not clear. Some think it
came from America with Columbus' crew.
>Devils Advocaat wrote:
>> Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
>> fight swine flu:
>>
>> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu-with-p-7f81b96.html
>Do you not respect other people's way of life and cultural diversity?
Sure, so long as it does no physical harm. Do you agree that
parents should be able to deny their children medical
treatment if their "way of life and cultural diversity" say
that they should rely on prayer alone to heal and to cure
sickness?
<snip rant>
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
And all the time it was just the "sheep's disease"...
What were they really up there to do?
Accompanying headline is "Landslide Topples Seven Blocks In China".
Oh dear.
I'm also a bit worried that the story doesn't mention aircraft.
I thought it was pretty certain that syphilis had evolved from yaws-
they're the same bug, just different strains. What I read was that
yaws started out as a skin-to-skin transfer, but mutated into an STD.
The just-so story associated with that idea is that it occurred when
people stopped sleeping on the floors of huts or caves in communal
groups. Shrug. YMMV.
In any case, Wiki says yaws seems to have affected humans for at least
1.5 million years. That would seem to preclude an American origin. The
wiki article on yaws has a couple of reasonable references but they
are not cited in-text.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaws
Chris
Curious how the time stamp on the above is exactly the same as the
time stamp on this report:
You're thinking that prayer and ram horns and vaccination and no more
deaths will prove that ram horns really work?
Although apparently they're not going to use the vaccine straight
away, so maybe the ram horns on their own will be found wanting.
Respecting other people cultural diversity means that you don't
criticize and ridiculize them just because they do somerhing different
from you.
When they do something stupid, you can criticize and ridiculize the,.
Actually I am thinking that perhaps there are a number of rational
people who don't exactly trust the ancient rituals these rabbis
performed and are preferring to trust modern medicine.
Ah, so not that the rabbis carefully waited until the vaccine arrived
and five people were already dead before doing the sure-fire anti-
influenza ram horn thing. Anyway, you mean socialized medicine, which
I intend to credit for any perceived relatively good situation in
Israel flu-wise. I can do that and I will. Although probably nobody
will care.
Or maybe this date in the Jewish calendar is auspicious for health
care related and/or high altitude activities, and the vaccine users
are really just as superstitious as the folks who had the horn?
But I don't believe that particularly: I just think it's ready now.
Incidentally, my national government (United Kingdom) placed an order
for enough vaccine for all of us who survived the pandemic so far, I
guess anticipating the disease would be more deadly than it now is,
not that I'm complaining; however, that order is with a different
producer and their vaccine /isn't/ ready for us yet.
Ah, but in how many can you meet Roseanne Barr and Madonna?
Mitchell Coffey
People are totally missing the point here. To boost the magic, there
needs to be an application of _homoeopathic_ rams'-horn-blowing. On
boarding the aircraft, you leave the horns on the tarmac, and gently
blow through pursed lips at a height determined by the required potency.
10,000 feet is average potency, which should save most of those in the
Levant; but if you can get to 100,000 feet it will be powerful enough to
cure the entire human population of the planet (sorry, the porkers still
go multiple-tits up, though).
--
Mike.
>On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:34:20 -0300, the following appeared
>in talk.origins, posted by Nashton <na...@na.ca>:
>
>>Devils Advocaat wrote:
>
>>> Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
>>> fight swine flu:
>>>
>>> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu-with-p-7f81b96.html
>
>>Do you not respect other people's way of life and cultural diversity?
>
>Sure, so long as it does no physical harm. Do you agree that
>parents should be able to deny their children medical
>treatment if their "way of life and cultural diversity" say
>that they should rely on prayer alone to heal and to cure
>sickness?
[crickets...]
BTW My wife and I just returned from Europe. It was a great trip,
wonderful people and interesting sites. However, I thought the Eiffel
tower was much higher than it actually is. That was a little disappointing.
Or Demi Moore, who in my opinion is the Kaballah the Ball.
"Look, up in the sky!"
"It's a bird!"
"It's a plane!"
"No, it's...a Jew!"
--
Steven L.
Email: sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
Of course we respect their way of life. That does not mean that we
cannot laugh uproarishly at the absurdities therein.
After all this time has it not dawned on you the a goodly share of
'religion bashing' is poking fun at it? And when it comes to 'poking
fun', religion has a big, big target on its ass.
Harry K
> BTW My wife and I just returned from Europe. It was a great trip,
> wonderful people and interesting sites. However, I thought the Eiffel
> tower was much higher than it actually is. That was a little
> disappointing.
I'm told that they go out of their way NOT to allow skyscrapers in central
Paris, either for esthetic reasons or because the soil isn't strong enough
to support them. That probably makes it look taller by comparison in
pictures.
> BTW My wife and I just returned from Europe. It was a great trip,
> wonderful people and interesting sites. However, I thought the Eiffel
> tower was much higher than it actually is. That was a little disappointing.
Don't bother visiting the pyramids in Egypt. I hear even the Great
Pyramid is shorter than the Eiffel Tower.
It's just a pile of rocks anyhow. I can see that any day.
--
John S. Wilkins, Philosophy, University of Sydney
http://evolvingthoughts.net
But al be that he was a philosophre,
Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre
Great. I will have the response to your pre-trip post tomorrow.
>wonderful people and interesting sites. However, I thought the Eiffel
>tower was much higher than it actually is. That was a little disappointing.
Everything is smaller than when we were kids.
--
Matt Silberstein
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http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
> Greg G. <ggw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 15, 10:05 pm, Bob Dean <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> > > BTW My wife and I just returned from Europe. It was a great trip,
> > > wonderful people and interesting sites. However, I thought the Eiffel
> > > tower was much higher than it actually is. That was a little
> > > disappointing.
> >
> > Don't bother visiting the pyramids in Egypt. I hear even the Great
> > Pyramid is shorter than the Eiffel Tower.
>
> It's just a pile of rocks anyhow. I can see that any day.
Instead of beer you must, when you wrote that, have been drinking wry
whiskey.
> Do you not respect other people's way of life and
> cultural diversity?
I do, but I make an effort to hold them in contempt. I
figure I owe everyone at least that much until gay
citizens are allowed to marry in all 50 states.
It may have changed since I was last in France, but how did you get on
as the French can be very chauvinistic about speaking English.
BTW, there is a slightly smaller version of the Eiffel Tower in
Blackpool, England.
Wombat
>>
> It is well worth seeing. It was built 1889 and is still one of the
> world's great wonders.
I was able to visit it on a college trip in 1985, although IIRC we didn't
ride all the way to the top, just to the first platform.
My big regret on that trip was we had an absurdly short trip to the Louvre.
"Gimp and Smirk" (ie. Venus de Milo and Mona Lisa and damn little else.)
And the Rodin museum was outright closed.
Louann, and her total absence of French not featured in popular songs.