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August Rode

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May 17, 2013, 5:55:22 PM5/17/13
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On Friday, May 17, 2013 5:44:07 PM UTC-4, Brother Love wrote:
> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
>
> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that evolutionists
> cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking Man".

I take it that you've defined the fossil evidence out of existence. That's very... convenient.

Tom McDonald

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May 17, 2013, 5:56:53 PM5/17/13
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On 5/17/2013 4:44 PM, Brother Love wrote:
> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
>
> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that evolutionists
> cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking Man".

Maybe soon:

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/hominids/2012/03/mystery-of-the-lost-peking-man-fossils-solved/

Or:

http://tinyurl.com/cykutjg

> "Professing themselves to be wise they became fools"
>
> Always remember: Jesus love's you and so do I!
> Yes! Each and every one of you!
>

Tom McDonald

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May 17, 2013, 6:08:54 PM5/17/13
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Well, the fossils were lost during WWII in China, but it's possible that
they may still be found--under a parking lot!

Of course, there are tons of Homo erectus fossils from other areas, so
BL is just having his fun here.

tra...@optonline.net

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May 17, 2013, 6:18:30 PM5/17/13
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On May 17, 5:56 pm, Tom McDonald <kilt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/17/2013 4:44 PM, Brother Love wrote:
>
> > Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
> > pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
>
> > It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that evolutionists
> > cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking Man".
>
> Maybe soon:
>
> http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/hominids/2012/03/mystery-of-the-lost-...
>
> Or:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cykutjg
>
>
>
> > "Professing themselves to be wise they became fools"
>
> > Always remember: Jesus love's you and so do I!
> > Yes! Each and every one of you!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

We may not have every last piece of the fossil evidence
for evolution, but what we do have is a lot more compelling
than the bible version. Or do folks still believe the earth
was created in a few days six thousand years ago,
man existed together with dinosaurs and
that some guy loaded two of every animal from every place on
earth onto a boat he built, saving them from a flood?

Tom McDonald

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May 17, 2013, 6:55:53 PM5/17/13
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You are quite correct. I was only referring to the fact that the Chinese
fossils of Peking Man were lost in WWII, and that BL was, probably
slyly, as is the wont of not-entirely-stupid trolls, referring to that
fact when he wrote:

"...that evolutionists
cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking Man".

We have plenty of Homo erectus fossils, so the lack at present of the
Chinese fossils is an inconvenience and a historical sidenote at best.

Bob F

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May 17, 2013, 8:10:57 PM5/17/13
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Brother Love wrote:
> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
>
> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that evolutionists
> cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking Man".
>
> "Professing themselves to be wise they became fools"
>
> Always remember: Jesus love's you and so do I!
> Yes! Each and every one of you!

You are making fun of yourself, moron.


Mitchell Holman

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May 17, 2013, 10:10:50 PM5/17/13
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Brother Love <BrotherLo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:109dp8tdnha27o8i5...@4ax.com:

> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
>
> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that evolutionists
> cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking Man".


How is that search for Noah's Ark coming along?




kni...@baawa.com

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May 17, 2013, 11:08:22 PM5/17/13
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On Fri, 17 May 2013 17:44:07 -0400, Brother Love
<BrotherLo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
>pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
>
>It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that evolutionists
>cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking Man".

This web site has something you don't, honesty and peer reviewed
information. Does Paluxy River ring a bell? For shame....

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

harry

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May 18, 2013, 2:05:47 AM5/18/13
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On May 17, 10:44 pm, Brother Love <BrotherLove4TheL...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
>
> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that evolutionists
> cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking Man".
>
> "Professing themselves to be wise they became fools"
>
> Always remember: Jesus love's you and so do I!
> Yes! Each and every one of you!Ads not by this site

You are a brainwashed half wit. Go and get yourself an
education.

Meanie

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May 18, 2013, 7:53:01 AM5/18/13
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Religious zealots grasps many straws with attempts of disarming the
facts of evolution or other theories opposing creationism. They are
desperate souls.

Attila Iskander

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May 18, 2013, 9:21:01 AM5/18/13
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"Meanie" <meani...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>

>
> Religious zealots grasps many straws with attempts of disarming the facts
> of evolution or other theories opposing creationism. They are desperate
> souls.

I would suspect that the real "religious zealots" are such as you, who have
a need to denigrate and demonize those you see as your opponents
And denigration and demonization of your opponents only shows you to be
the "desperate soul"..

harry k

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May 18, 2013, 9:27:00 AM5/18/13
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On May 17, 2:44 pm, Brother Love <BrotherLove4TheL...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
>
> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that evolutionists
> cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking Man".
>
> "Professing themselves to be wise they became fools"
>
> Always remember: Jesus love's you and so do I!
> Yes! Each and every one of you!

Your thread title has a serious error. We have seen no evidence where
you have
ever made a fool of evolutionists. Now making a fool of yourself,
that evidence abounds.

As to Homo Erectus - there are a lot of fossils thereof.

Hawrry K

Bob F

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May 18, 2013, 9:31:30 AM5/18/13
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LOL!!!



tra...@optonline.net

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May 18, 2013, 9:40:31 AM5/18/13
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On May 18, 9:31 am, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Attila Iskander wrote:
> > "Meanie" <meanie.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Apparently he believes that man and dinosaurs hung out
together and some guy loaded up a boat with two of every
animal on the planet. Must have been one hell of a job
going around the globe, getting all those dinosaurs, lions,
and birds and cramming them into a boat. Even with
the technology of today, it would be an impossible task.

linuxgal

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May 18, 2013, 10:59:12 AM5/18/13
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tra...@optonline.net wrote:
> Apparently he believes that man and dinosaurs hung out
> together and some guy loaded up a boat with two of every
> animal on the planet. Must have been one hell of a job
> going around the globe, getting all those dinosaurs, lions,
> and birds and cramming them into a boat. Even with
> the technology of today, it would be an impossible task.

Well, they have a theory that God done brung 'em.

--
Halftime at Circvs Maximvs, and the Lions lead the Christians 326-0

SMS

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May 18, 2013, 10:16:08 AM5/18/13
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On 5/18/2013 6:40 AM, tra...@optonline.net wrote:

> Apparently he believes that man and dinosaurs hung out
> together and some guy loaded up a boat with two of every
> animal on the planet. Must have been one hell of a job
> going around the globe, getting all those dinosaurs, lions,
> and birds and cramming them into a boat. Even with
> the technology of today, it would be an impossible task.

Don't forget that a) the earth is flat, and b) the sun revolves around
the earth.

Meanie

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May 18, 2013, 3:39:42 PM5/18/13
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I obviously hit a nerve stating a fact. You'll get over it. Perhaps
reading the good book will ease your pain. Run along.

Andrew

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May 18, 2013, 5:48:03 PM5/18/13
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"Meanie" wrote in message news:kn8l6j$86k$1...@dont-email.me...
> Attila Iskander wrote:
>> "Meanie" wrote:

>>> Religious zealots grasps many straws with attempts of disarming the
>>> facts of evolution or other theories opposing creationism. They are
>>> desperate souls.
>>
>> I would suspect that the real "religious zealots" are such as you, who
>> have a need to denigrate and demonize those you see as your opponents
>> And denigration and demonization of your opponents only shows you to
>> be the "desperate soul"..
>>
> I obviously hit a nerve stating a fact.

If you have the truth, you need not denigrate those who
have a different position than yours. This you have done.

Evidence best supports the Creation model of origins,
contrary to what you have been taught.

Just study it out with a sincere desire for the truth.

Then renounce the deceptions that they fed you.


Andrew


Andrew

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May 18, 2013, 5:53:56 PM5/18/13
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"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsA1C3D6905EFF9...@216.196.121.131...
> Brother Love wrote:
>
>> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
>> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
>>
>> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that evolutionists
>> cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking Man".
>
> How is that search for Noah's Ark coming along?

If you are interested, you may find it located in Turkey
on that big mountain called Ararat, located 39 degrees
42 minutes north latitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes
east longitude. http://www.wnd.com/2002/11/15907/





Mitchell Holman

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May 18, 2013, 6:16:20 PM5/18/13
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"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote in
news:PMOdnfnxOK3tZQrM...@earthlink.com:
Nope.

That is where fundies SAY it is.
So far no proof. Why is that, do you
think?




Mitchell Holman

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May 18, 2013, 6:17:09 PM5/18/13
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"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote in
news:mPudnWYbeZmQagrM...@earthlink.com:

> "Meanie" wrote in message news:kn8l6j$86k$1...@dont-email.me...
>> Attila Iskander wrote:
>>> "Meanie" wrote:
>
>>>> Religious zealots grasps many straws with attempts of disarming the
>>>> facts of evolution or other theories opposing creationism. They are
>>>> desperate souls.
>>>
>>> I would suspect that the real "religious zealots" are such as you,
>>> who have a need to denigrate and demonize those you see as your
>>> opponents
>>> And denigration and demonization of your opponents only shows
>>> you to
>>> be the "desperate soul"..
>>>
>> I obviously hit a nerve stating a fact.
>
> If you have the truth, you need not denigrate those who
> have a different position than yours. This you have done.
>
> Evidence best supports the Creation model of origins,
> contrary to what you have been taught.
>

What evidence is that?




Les

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May 18, 2013, 6:38:52 PM5/18/13
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Well their whole theory depends on their being a creator and when
last I heard they have not yet found one or any evidence to show
there ever was one.

Withut their wannahave god being show to exist their entire
theory is worthless

They claim their god 'fine tuned 'the Universe so it could
create us but they do not explain the need for such fine
tuning. Fine tuning implies twiddling the knobs to get
things right, a trial and error process. Surely a wannahave
god would not need to do that as it would know exatly what
the settings are? I just query the need for such exact settings
and wonder if the advocates of this process could explain
why.

--
Les Hellawell
Greeting from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County

"When you are in a crowd and you stand out from the
crowd it's ususually because you are being carried on
the shoulders of others."
- Desmond Tutu






>
>

Andrew

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May 18, 2013, 6:40:10 PM5/18/13
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"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsA1C4AEF221932...@216.196.121.131...
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> "Meanie" wrote:
>>> Attila Iskander wrote:
>>>> "Meanie" wrote:
>>
>>>>> Religious zealots grasps many straws with attempts of disarming the
>>>>> facts of evolution or other theories opposing creationism. They are
>>>>> desperate souls.
>>>>
>>>> I would suspect that the real "religious zealots" are such as you,
>>>> who have a need to denigrate and demonize those you see as your
>>>> opponents
>>>> And denigration and demonization of your opponents only shows
>>>> you to
>>>> be the "desperate soul"..
>>>>
>>> I obviously hit a nerve stating a fact.
>>
>> If you have the truth, you need not denigrate those who
>> have a different position than yours. This you have done.
>>
>> Evidence best supports the Creation model of origins,
>> contrary to what you have been taught.
>>
>
> What evidence is that?

If you study it out with a sincere desire for the truth
you will find it. Then you will want to renounce the
deceptions that they fed you; and then help others to
escape the falsehoods that have deceived the masses.

~ Andrew


"We must concede that there are
presently no detailed Darwinian
accounts of the evolution of any
biochemical or cellular system, only
a variety of wishful speculations."
~ Franklin M. Harold,
Professor Emeritus Biochemistry


Mitchell Holman

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May 18, 2013, 6:59:15 PM5/18/13
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"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote in
news:IsOdnZz4c8HZngXM...@earthlink.com:

> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsA1C4AEF221932...@216.196.121.131...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Meanie" wrote:
>>>> Attila Iskander wrote:
>>>>> "Meanie" wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Religious zealots grasps many straws with attempts of disarming
>>>>>> the facts of evolution or other theories opposing creationism.
>>>>>> They are desperate souls.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would suspect that the real "religious zealots" are such as you,
>>>>> who have a need to denigrate and demonize those you see as your
>>>>> opponents
>>>>> And denigration and demonization of your opponents only shows
>>>>> you to
>>>>> be the "desperate soul"..
>>>>>
>>>> I obviously hit a nerve stating a fact.
>>>
>>> If you have the truth, you need not denigrate those who
>>> have a different position than yours. This you have done.
>>>
>>> Evidence best supports the Creation model of origins,
>>> contrary to what you have been taught.
>>>
>>
>> What evidence is that?
>
> If you study it out with a sincere desire for the truth
> you will find it.


So you have no evidence.


> Then you will want to renounce the
> deceptions that they fed you; and then help others to
> escape the falsehoods that have deceived the masses.


What evidence do YOU believe, and why?








Mitchell Holman

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May 18, 2013, 7:02:08 PM5/18/13
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Les <l...@sharnt.tell> wrote in news:r40gp8deeqhj7n27bfg4hciijloj7b78of@
4ax.com:
The most I can get out of the Creationists
here is the watchmaker fallacy.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_analogy


SPQR

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May 18, 2013, 7:08:02 PM5/18/13
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In article <IsOdnZz4c8HZngXM...@earthlink.com>,
"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:


> If you study it out with a sincere desire for the truth
> you will find it.

Science finds more of the truth every day,
but theist religions,
by forcing themselves to rely on unprovable gods,
are doomed to failure.

Free Lunch

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May 18, 2013, 7:15:07 PM5/18/13
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On Sat, 18 May 2013 14:53:56 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
It is not there.

You have been lied to and ignorantly or mendaciously repeated those
lies.

Free Lunch

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May 18, 2013, 7:15:23 PM5/18/13
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On Sat, 18 May 2013 15:40:10 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
Why do you worship falsehoods?

Andrew

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May 18, 2013, 7:17:06 PM5/18/13
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"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsA1C4AECEAF5CF...@216.196.121.131...
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>> Brother Love wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
>>>> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
>>>>
>>>> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that
>>>> evolutionists cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking
>>>> Man".
>>>
>>> How is that search for Noah's Ark coming along?
>>
>> If you are interested, you may find it located in Turkey
>> on that big mountain called Ararat, located 39 degrees
>> 42 minutes north latitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes
>> east longitude. http://www.wnd.com/2002/11/15907/
>>
> Nope.
>
> That is where fundies SAY it is.

No, it is the exact location of what is referred to as the
"Ararat anomaly", acknowledged (unofficially) by the
US government.

> So far no proof.

Evidence, rather than proof. The photo is from the
IKONOS Space Imaging satellite.


Mitchell Holman

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May 18, 2013, 7:21:01 PM5/18/13
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"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote in
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Funny know Christians have gone there and
return with remains of the One True Ark.

Andrew

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May 18, 2013, 7:22:18 PM5/18/13
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"SPQR" wrote in message news:SPQR-0481E9.1...@BIGNEWS.USENETMONSTER.COM...
> "Andrew" wrote:

>> If you study it out with a sincere desire for the truth
>> you will find it.
>
> Science finds more of the truth every day,

Yes, they are learning more of God's wonderful creation.

> but theist religions, by forcing themselves to rely on
> unprovable gods, are doomed to failure.

There are no gods, only the living God, our wonderful
Creator.


linuxgal

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May 18, 2013, 8:24:08 PM5/18/13
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Les wrote:
> They claim their god 'fine tuned 'the Universe so it could
> create us but they do not explain the need for such fine
> tuning. Fine tuning implies twiddling the knobs to get
> things right, a trial and error process.

Not to take the theists' side in this argument, but in the interest of
accuracy, fine tuning does not necessarily imply twiddling the knobs.
Their god could have executed a creation in one go with all the various
physical laws in that exquisite balance necessary to accommodate life,
and "fine tuning" is the term used to describe that balance. Naturally
the anthropic principle tears the argument apart.

tra...@optonline.net

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May 18, 2013, 7:29:50 PM5/18/13
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On May 18, 6:59 pm, Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
> "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote innews:IsOdnZz4c8HZngXM...@earthlink.com:
>      What evidence do YOU believe, and why?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

They have no evidence or facts. It's all based on a belief system
that for most is driven into their brains at an early age,
in what amounts to brainwashing.
If someone came to most of them at age 40 when they are educated
adults and presented for the first time the religious story of how God
created the earth and man, they would laugh them out of the room.

For the most part, believing in what amounts to fairytales is
harmless. But when some can pervert the fairytales into motivation
for violence, then it has serious repercussions.

Free Lunch

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May 18, 2013, 7:31:24 PM5/18/13
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On Sat, 18 May 2013 16:22:18 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
Andrew knows that there isn't any evidence that the god he worships is
any more real than the gods he ignores.

Free Lunch

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May 18, 2013, 7:31:48 PM5/18/13
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On Sat, 18 May 2013 16:17:06 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
That photo is not evidence for an ark.

tra...@optonline.net

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May 18, 2013, 7:38:06 PM5/18/13
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On May 18, 7:21 pm, Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
> "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote innews:1O2dnYmEAKV2lgXM...@earthlink.com:
>     Why is that, do you think?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The photo could be of almost anything. Do people really
believe that a guy could round up two of every animal on the
planet, polar bears, monkeys, tigers, every kind of bird, and
put them on a boat? A boat the size of Noah's ark? A boat
the size of that sat pic? Feed them, have enough food, water,
deal with all the waste, disease..... Even today it would be an
impossible task. Good grief!

I suppose they'll tell us that because God told Noah to do it,
that God then made it possible, no further explanation needed.
Curious thing. This God that
can create the universe out of nothing wants to screw around
with Noah filling a boat up with animals......

Meanie

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May 18, 2013, 7:46:21 PM5/18/13
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LMFAO! The scary part is you truly believe it.

Meanie

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May 18, 2013, 7:49:37 PM5/18/13
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LMFAO! The scary part is you actually believe it.
>

Bob F

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May 18, 2013, 7:52:09 PM5/18/13
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LOL!!!


Mitchell Holman

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May 18, 2013, 7:56:15 PM5/18/13
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"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote in
news:3PGdnbFZk5S2kAXM...@earthlink.com:

> "SPQR" wrote in message
> news:SPQR-0481E9.1...@BIGNEWS.USENETMONSTER.COM...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>
>>> If you study it out with a sincere desire for the truth
>>> you will find it.
>>
>> Science finds more of the truth every day,
>
> Yes, they are learning more of God's wonderful creation.


How many of those scientists are trying to
find cures for "Gods wonderful creation", do
you think?

Was a there a different "creator" of all
the maladies and diseases we suffer from?




Andrew

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May 18, 2013, 8:23:05 PM5/18/13
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"Meanie" wrote in message news:kn93r5$g27$2...@dont-email.me...
> Andrew wrote:
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>> Brother Love wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
>>>>>> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that
>>>>>> evolutionists cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking
>>>>>> Man".
>>>>>
>>>>> How is that search for Noah's Ark coming along?
>>>>
>>>> If you are interested, you may find it located in Turkey
>>>> on that big mountain called Ararat, located 39 degrees
>>>> 42 minutes north latitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes
>>>> east longitude. http://www.wnd.com/2002/11/15907/
>>>>
>>> Nope.
>>>
>>> That is where fundies SAY it is.
>>
>> No, it is the exact location of what is referred to as the
>> "Ararat anomaly", acknowledged (unofficially) by the
>> US government.
>>
>>> So far no proof.
>>
>> Evidence, rather than proof. The photo is from the
>> IKONOS Space Imaging satellite.
>
> LMFAO! The scary part is you actually believe it.

Mr. Holman inquired as to the Ark. I simply provided
evidence that would be of interest to him. The fact of
the Ararat anomaly's existence is acknowledged by the
CIA.


Budikka666

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May 18, 2013, 8:25:58 PM5/18/13
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On May 18, 4:48 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> If you have the truth, you need not denigrate those who
> have a different position than yours. This you have done.

This from the LYING fraudulent hypocrite who routinely changes the
title of my messages, and RUNS when we ask that he support his claim
that he's proving creation?

This from the lowlife scum who hypocritically demands more evidence
from the evolutionists when he can offer NONE of his own?

This from the two-faced piece of theist trash who insults scientists
with every single message he posts on Usenet?

This from the colossal coward who challenged me and when I took up his
challenge RAN like diarrhea?

What a piece of Christian shit you are.

And then you worhtless scum wonder why we insult *you*?

Get a clue. Take the massive plank from your own blind eyes nefroe
youe ver dare squeal like a stuck pig about what you judgmentally
claim is a mote in ours, you sad waste of DNA.

Budikka

Budikka666

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On May 18, 7:23 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> Mr. Holman inquired as to the Ark. I simply provided
> evidence that would be of interest to him. The fact of
> the Ararat anomaly's existence is acknowledged by the
> CIA.

This from the two-faced piece of trash who had been RUNNING from my
flood challenge for ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY straight days?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/4970c8ea65babc59?scoring=d&

Budikka

linuxgal

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May 18, 2013, 9:31:44 PM5/18/13
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Andrew wrote:
> Mr. Holman inquired as to the Ark. I simply provided
> evidence that would be of interest to him. The fact of
> the Ararat anomaly's existence is acknowledged by the
> CIA.

There was an ark up there, sure. But all that gopher firewood above the
tree line was irresistable to the goat herds over the last 5,000 years.
A man gets cold up there most nights.

Tom McDonald

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May 18, 2013, 8:48:11 PM5/18/13
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On 5/18/2013 8:31 PM, linuxgal wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>> Mr. Holman inquired as to the Ark. I simply provided
>> evidence that would be of interest to him. The fact of
>> the Ararat anomaly's existence is acknowledged by the
>> CIA.
>
> There was an ark up there, sure. But all that gopher firewood above the
> tree line was irresistable to the goat herds over the last 5,000 years.
> A man gets cold up there most nights.
>
Depends entirely on how close he is to his goat.

Budikka666

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May 18, 2013, 8:50:47 PM5/18/13
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On May 18, 4:53 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> If you are interested, you may find it located in Turkey
> on that big mountain called Ararat, located 39 degrees
> 42 minutes north latitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes
> east longitude.  http://www.wnd.com/2002/11/15907/

The Bible expressly does NOT say the ark landed on Mount Arrat, you
abysmal ignramus, but on the mountains of Ararat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountains_of_Ararat

But I love making fools of the brain-dead, cowardly, hypocrtical,
vacuous, low-life, fraudulent, two-faced creationists, so here's
Ararat:
http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/mount-ararat/view/?service=0

Now *you* go ahead and find this fictional anomaly and then show us
how it is a wooden ark, and explain using scientific evidence how that
wooden ark could survive for some 4,300 years without rotting to
dust. Then show us the archaelogical and fossil evidence which proves
how the entire human race, and every single living thing can trace its
origin to that specific location. And finally, explain how it is that
- if there was a genetic bottle-neck of every living thing, plant and
animal at that time, as there must have been if your fable is true -
scientists can find no trace of any such pan-species bottle-neck, but
instead have found such a diversity of bottle-necks as to complete
REFUTE your Noah's ark fantasy. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Budikka

Attila Iskander

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May 18, 2013, 8:58:10 PM5/18/13
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"SMS" <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:51978d28$0$52781$742e...@news.sonic.net...
> On 5/18/2013 6:40 AM, tra...@optonline.net wrote:
>
>> Apparently he believes that man and dinosaurs hung out
>> together and some guy loaded up a boat with two of every
>> animal on the planet. Must have been one hell of a job
>> going around the globe, getting all those dinosaurs, lions,
>> and birds and cramming them into a boat. Even with
>> the technology of today, it would be an impossible task.
>
> Don't forget that a) the earth is flat, and b) the sun revolves around the
> earth.



Funny how there is no mention of dinosaurs in the Ark
Why are atheists so ignorant ?
And more important, why do they need to keep on proving it ?

Attila Iskander

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May 18, 2013, 9:05:53 PM5/18/13
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"Meanie" <meani...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 5/18/2013 9:21 AM, Attila Iskander wrote:
>> "Meanie" <meani...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:kn7prh$kg0$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> Religious zealots grasps many straws with attempts of disarming the
>>> facts of evolution or other theories opposing creationism. They are
>>> desperate souls.
>>
>> I would suspect that the real "religious zealots" are such as you, who
>> have a need to denigrate and demonize those you see as your opponents
>> And denigration and demonization of your opponents only shows you to
>> be the "desperate soul"..
>>
> I obviously hit a nerve stating a fact.

Actually you didn't
You just gave me an opportunity to demonstrate that you are stupid and
hypocritical and that your deoragtion applies just as well to you..
If in fact you had the truth on your side, you would have no need for
behaving as you do.
Funny that.

>You'll get over it.

Nothing to get over.
50% of the population fall to the left side of the bell curve.
Clearly, that's your side.



> Perhaps reading the good book will ease your pain.

You confuse your fantasies and projections with reality
I have read the "good book" a few times. In 4 different languages too.
I have also read a variety of books discussing the contents of it as well
Most likely, you haven't even read it once.

> Run along.

Why don't you demonstrate how it's done...

Or better yet
I'll let you have the last word
You obviously are in great need to have it, even though it will have
absolutely no value to any.

Go for it..
And enjoy being sent back to where you really belong




August Rode

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May 18, 2013, 9:08:02 PM5/18/13
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On Saturday, May 18, 2013 5:53:56 PM UTC-4, Andrew wrote:
> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsA1C3D6905EFF9...@216.196.121.131...
> > Brother Love wrote:
> >
> >> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
> >> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
> >>
> >> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that evolutionists
> >> cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking Man".
> >
> > How is that search for Noah's Ark coming along?
>
> If you are interested, you may find it located in Turkey
> on that big mountain called Ararat, located 39 degrees
> 42 minutes north latitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes
> east longitude. http://www.wnd.com/2002/11/15907/

That geographic location is nowhere near accurate enough, Andrew. I went to that precise location in Google Earth and there's nothing there except for the mountain. Nothing that looks like a huge ark.

Attila Iskander

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May 18, 2013, 9:06:56 PM5/18/13
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"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
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Why are you reduced to strawman arguments ?



Attila Iskander

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May 18, 2013, 9:07:50 PM5/18/13
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"Meanie" <meani...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Clearly your belief is not based on knowledge
A couple of other words for that are, bigotry, ignorance, prejudice.
There are a few more, but all seem to have far more syllables than you
can handle.

August Rode

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May 18, 2013, 9:17:06 PM5/18/13
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Is it indeed? You have read the CIA's report?

tra...@optonline.net

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May 18, 2013, 9:34:13 PM5/18/13
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On May 18, 8:58 pm, "Attila Iskander" <Attila.Iskan...@live.com>
wrote:
> "SMS" <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:51978d28$0$52781$742e...@news.sonic.net...
>
> > On 5/18/2013 6:40 AM, trad...@optonline.net wrote:
>
> >> Apparently he believes that man and dinosaurs hung out
> >> together and some guy loaded up a boat with two of every
> >> animal on the planet.  Must have been one hell of a job
> >> going around the globe, getting all those dinosaurs, lions,
> >> and birds and cramming them into a boat.  Even with
> >> the technology of today, it would be an impossible task.
>
> > Don't forget that a) the earth is flat, and b) the sun revolves around the
> > earth.
>
> Funny how there is no mention of dinosaurs in the Ark
> Why are atheists so ignorant ?
>     And more important, why do they need to keep on proving it ?

They don't have to mention the dinosaurs in the ark.
From the timeline of the rest of the bible, you'd have
to believe that dinosaurs were on the earth at the same
time as man. Why, the creationists have even tried to
use some lame fossil evidence of tracks recorded in
mud, to try to prove exactly that

So, forget about the dinosaurs. You really believe a
guy could build a big old honking boat, go around the entire
globe, rounding up two of every species of everything,
from every corner of every jungle? Figure out what they
all eat? What it takes for them to survive? Put enough food of all
the necessary types and water for them all?
Maintain the correct climate conditions? Deal
with all the waste, all the disease thay one could only
imagine would exist on such a vessel? For even the
best zoos they can only do that today for a very limited
number of species. And you want to talk about dinosaurs?
Really?

Mitchell Holman

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May 18, 2013, 9:52:50 PM5/18/13
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"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote in
news:2qCdnTSI0_H5hgXM...@earthlink.com:
1) Explain why no Christian has gone up to
Noah Ark and photographed it, much less brought
back a piece of it.

2) IF Noah's Ark existed, explain how all
the animals native to Japan and Australia and
the Western Hemisphere got TO Noah's Ark and
then back again.

3) Explain what all the animals ate when
returned to dry land empty of all flora and
fauna.

4) If all humanity comes from Noah where
did all the different human races come from?



linuxgal

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May 18, 2013, 11:30:12 PM5/18/13
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Andrew wrote:
> No, it is the exact location of what is referred to as the
> "Ararat anomaly", acknowledged (unofficially) by the
> US government.

It's a rock outcropping in the shape of a boat. There's a dog's head on
Mt. St. Helens and a face on Mars.

Bob F

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May 18, 2013, 11:58:06 PM5/18/13
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WOW!!

Pot, kettle, black......

Why do right wing wackos always accuse others of exactly the traits they
themselves display so accuratly.


Bob F

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May 19, 2013, 12:03:24 AM5/19/13
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Don't be stupod. They have had thousands of years to evolve.


Harry K

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May 19, 2013, 12:49:46 AM5/19/13
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On May 18, 2:48 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Meanie" wrote in messagenews:kn8l6j$86k$1...@dont-email.me...
> > Attila Iskander wrote:
> >> "Meanie" wrote:
> >>> Religious zealots grasps many straws with attempts of disarming the
> >>> facts of evolution or other theories opposing creationism. They are
> >>> desperate souls.
>
> >> I would suspect that the real "religious zealots" are such as you, who
> >> have a need to denigrate and demonize those you see as your opponents
> >>     And denigration and demonization of your opponents only shows you to
> >> be the "desperate soul"..
>
> > I obviously hit a nerve stating a fact.
>
> If you have the truth, you need not denigrate those who
> have a different position than yours. This you have done.
>
> Evidence best supports the Creation model of origins,
> contrary to what you have been taught.
>
> Just study it out with a sincere desire for the truth.
>
> Then renounce the deceptions that they fed you.
>
> Andrew

In order to believe what you think is evidence one must stuff his head
in a veryi dark place and ignore all of science.

Harry K

Harry K

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May 19, 2013, 12:58:18 AM5/19/13
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On May 18, 6:07 pm, "Attila Iskander" <Attila.Iskan...@live.com>
wrote:
> "Meanie" <meanie.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Too bad for you that atheists do not "believe" - they accept moutains
of hard evidence and facts. All you have is one ancient book of
myths, lies and contradictions.

cf lies: Archaeology has _proven_ that there were no Jewish slaves in
the Egypt - every_
cf lies: Geology amongst many other "ologies" has _proven_ there was
no world wide flood
cf lies: archaeology has _proven_ that the battle of Jericho did not
happen. Per your bible timeline Jericho was nothing but a rubble heap
with a few rude huts at the supposed time.

Harry K

Harry K

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May 19, 2013, 1:01:22 AM5/19/13
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On May 18, 2:53 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Mitchell Holman"  wrote in messagenews:XnsA1C3D6905EFF9...@216.196.121.131...
> > Brother Love wrote:
>
> >> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
> >> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
>
> >> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that evolutionists
> >> cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking Man".
>
> >    How is that search for Noah's Ark coming along?
>
> If you are interested, you may find it located in Turkey
> on that big mountain called Ararat, located 39 degrees
> 42 minutes north latitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes
> east longitude.  http://www.wnd.com/2002/11/15907/

Odd that in all these centuries of looking, noone has found it. Oh
there are many "stories" of having found it but zero evidence of such.

Harry K

Harry K

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May 19, 2013, 1:02:52 AM5/19/13
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On May 18, 4:17 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in messagenews:XnsA1C4AECEAF5CF...@216.196.121.131...
> > "Andrew" wrote:
> >> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
> >>> Brother Love wrote:
>
> >>>> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
> >>>> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
>
> >>>> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that
> >>>> evolutionists cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking
> >>>> Man".
>
> >>>    How is that search for Noah's Ark coming along?
>
> >> If you are interested, you may find it located in Turkey
> >> on that big mountain called Ararat, located 39 degrees
> >> 42 minutes north latitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes
> >> east longitude.  http://www.wnd.com/2002/11/15907/
>
> >    Nope.
>
> >    That is where fundies SAY it is.
>
> No, it is the exact location of what is referred to as the
> "Ararat anomaly", acknowledged (unofficially) by the
> US government.
>
> > So far no proof.
>
> Evidence, rather than proof. The photo is from the
> IKONOS Space Imaging satellite.

And only you fundy kooks think it is a boat instead of the geologic
formation that it is.

Harry K

Harry K

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May 19, 2013, 1:03:54 AM5/19/13
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On May 18, 5:23 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Meanie" wrote in messagenews:kn93r5$g27$2...@dont-email.me...
Good, give us a cite where they say it is a boat.

Harry K

Jeanne Douglas

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May 19, 2013, 3:40:01 AM5/19/13
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In article <PMOdnfnxOK3tZQrM...@earthlink.com>,
"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:

> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsA1C3D6905EFF9...@216.196.121.131...
> > Brother Love wrote:
> >
> >> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
> >> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
> >>
> >> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that evolutionists
> >> cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking Man".
> >
> > How is that search for Noah's Ark coming along?
>
> If you are interested, you may find it located in Turkey
> on that big mountain called Ararat, located 39 degrees
> 42 minutes north latitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes
> east longitude. http://www.wnd.com/2002/11/15907/


Wow. Talk about fantasies!

The only thing found on Mt. Ararat is a big rock.

You do realize that if t his article had any validity at all, there
would have been more news in the intervening 10-1/2 years. Don't you?

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

Jeanne Douglas

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May 19, 2013, 3:40:28 AM5/19/13
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In article <5r2gp890j11s897k4...@4ax.com>,
Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

> On Sat, 18 May 2013 14:53:56 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
> wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
>
> >"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> >news:XnsA1C3D6905EFF9...@216.196.121.131...
> >> Brother Love wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
> >>> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
> >>>
> >>> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that evolutionists
> >>> cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking Man".
> >>
> >> How is that search for Noah's Ark coming along?
> >
> >If you are interested, you may find it located in Turkey
> >on that big mountain called Ararat, located 39 degrees
> >42 minutes north latitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes
> >east longitude. http://www.wnd.com/2002/11/15907/
>
> It is not there.
>
> You have been lied to and ignorantly or mendaciously repeated those
> lies.

An article more than 10 years ago and nothing since.

Jeanne Douglas

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May 19, 2013, 3:45:10 AM5/19/13
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In article <1O2dnYmEAKV2lgXM...@earthlink.com>,
"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:

> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsA1C4AECEAF5CF...@216.196.121.131...
> > "Andrew" wrote:
> >> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
> >>> Brother Love wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
> >>>> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
> >>>>
> >>>> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that
> >>>> evolutionists cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking
> >>>> Man".
> >>>
> >>> How is that search for Noah's Ark coming along?
> >>
> >> If you are interested, you may find it located in Turkey
> >> on that big mountain called Ararat, located 39 degrees
> >> 42 minutes north latitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes
> >> east longitude. http://www.wnd.com/2002/11/15907/
> >>
> > Nope.
> >
> > That is where fundies SAY it is.
>
> No, it is the exact location of what is referred to as the
> "Ararat anomaly", acknowledged (unofficially) by the
> US government.

The US government acknowledged a rock?


> > So far no proof.
>
> Evidence, rather than proof. The photo is from the
> IKONOS Space Imaging satellite.

It's not evidence until it's confirmed. And since there's more than 10
years since the photo, it seems there has been no verification in all
that time.

Looks like you still have no evidence.

But at least it was a halfway decent attempt at it.

Jeanne Douglas

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May 19, 2013, 3:49:21 AM5/19/13
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In article <2qCdnTSI0_H5hgXM...@earthlink.com>,
But it's not the Ark. It's a rock. A big rock.

It's been 10-1/2 years since this was published. So why has there been
no follow-up. Why aren't there masses of photos in every magazine on the
planet? Why are there no reports of the analyses of the object?

Jeanne Douglas

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May 19, 2013, 3:49:52 AM5/19/13
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In article <XnsA1C4D383AA2B4...@216.196.121.131>,
AND soil to grow any new flora.

Jeanne Douglas

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May 19, 2013, 3:59:17 AM5/19/13
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In article <mPudnWYbeZmQagrM...@earthlink.com>,
"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:

> "Meanie" wrote in message news:kn8l6j$86k$1...@dont-email.me...
> > Attila Iskander wrote:
> >> "Meanie" wrote:
>
> >>> Religious zealots grasps many straws with attempts of disarming the
> >>> facts of evolution or other theories opposing creationism. They are
> >>> desperate souls.
> >>
> >> I would suspect that the real "religious zealots" are such as you, who
> >> have a need to denigrate and demonize those you see as your opponents
> >> And denigration and demonization of your opponents only shows you to
> >> be the "desperate soul"..
> >>
> > I obviously hit a nerve stating a fact.
>
> If you have the truth, you need not denigrate those who
> have a different position than yours. This you have done.

We only denigrate liars after they've had the facts explained quite
clearly to them and still continue to spew their lies.

Jeanne Douglas

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May 19, 2013, 4:00:09 AM5/19/13
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In article <IsOdnZz4c8HZngXM...@earthlink.com>,
"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:

> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsA1C4AEF221932...@216.196.121.131...
> > "Andrew" wrote:
> >> "Meanie" wrote:
> >>> Attila Iskander wrote:
> >>>> "Meanie" wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> Religious zealots grasps many straws with attempts of disarming the
> >>>>> facts of evolution or other theories opposing creationism. They are
> >>>>> desperate souls.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would suspect that the real "religious zealots" are such as you,
> >>>> who have a need to denigrate and demonize those you see as your
> >>>> opponents
> >>>> And denigration and demonization of your opponents only shows
> >>>> you to
> >>>> be the "desperate soul"..
> >>>>
> >>> I obviously hit a nerve stating a fact.
> >>
> >> If you have the truth, you need not denigrate those who
> >> have a different position than yours. This you have done.
> >>
> >> Evidence best supports the Creation model of origins,
> >> contrary to what you have been taught.
> >>
> >
> > What evidence is that?
>
> If you study it out with a sincere desire for the truth
> you will find it.


Stupid deflection.

Answer the damned question. You claim to have evidence. Well, then,
present it. If you have it, you will present it.

Not X

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May 19, 2013, 4:36:27 AM5/19/13
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On 05/18/2013 08:52 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:

[snip]

>
> 1) Explain why no Christian has gone up to
> Noah Ark and photographed it, much less brought
> back a piece of it.
>
> 2) IF Noah's Ark existed, explain how all
> the animals native to Japan and Australia and
> the Western Hemisphere got TO Noah's Ark and
> then back again.
>
> 3) Explain what all the animals ate when
> returned to dry land empty of all flora and
> fauna.
>
> 4) If all humanity comes from Noah where
> did all the different human races come from?
>

And what happened to all the fish? Fish are very sensitive to the
environment, and that rain would've made a mess of the salinity (and
probably temperature too).

--
"[Timothy Leary] was asked whether drugs were a bad influence on young
kids, and he said, 'This is nothing. In a few years kids are going to be
demanding septal electrodes.'"

Not X

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May 19, 2013, 4:45:43 AM5/19/13
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On 05/18/2013 05:17 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:

[snip]

>> Evidence best supports the Creation model of origins,
>> contrary to what you have been taught.
>>
>
> What evidence is that?
>

Apparently, there IS evidence. What they won't tell you is that it's all
locked up in theists' fantasy worlds (where God is too).

Andrew

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May 19, 2013, 5:01:42 AM5/19/13
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"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsA1C4D383AA2B4...@216.196.121.131...
> "Andrew" wrote:
There are some photographs and pieces of it. Consider that
the mountain, including the anomaly (Ark), is snow and ice
covered almost all year round, especially at the 13,000 foot
level.

Also such efforts are hindered since the Turkish government
closed off the area to visitors citing problems with Kurdish
rebels and the site's proximity to borders of Iran and Armenia.

> 2) IF Noah's Ark existed, explain how all
> the animals native to Japan and Australia and
> the Western Hemisphere got TO Noah's Ark and
> then back again.

My understanding is that the antediluvian world did not
have such isolated geographical areas that you mention.

> 3) Explain what all the animals ate when
> returned to dry land empty of all flora and
> fauna.

It says that some things were already growing by the time
they de-arked (Genesis 8:11). Some plants grow rapidly.

> 4) If all humanity comes from Noah where
> did all the different human races come from?

They came through the natural, God-given laws of genetics
with such factors as selection, isolation and environmental
pressure.


Andrew

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May 19, 2013, 5:19:33 AM5/19/13
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"Not X" wrote in message news:ga0mt.88881$3F4...@fed04.iad...
> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> 1) Explain why no Christian has gone up to
>> Noah Ark and photographed it, much less brought
>> back a piece of it.
>>
>> 2) IF Noah's Ark existed, explain how all
>> the animals native to Japan and Australia and
>> the Western Hemisphere got TO Noah's Ark and
>> then back again.
>>
>> 3) Explain what all the animals ate when
>> returned to dry land empty of all flora and
>> fauna.
>>
>> 4) If all humanity comes from Noah where
>> did all the different human races come from?
>>
>
> And what happened to all the fish? Fish are very sensitive
> to the environment, and that rain would've made a mess of
> the salinity (and probably temperature too).

Many of them were engulfed in the sediment, buried quickly
and became fossilized.

Notice evidence here of rapid fossilization >> http://alturl.com/2dah9


Andrew

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May 19, 2013, 5:24:38 AM5/19/13
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"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsA1C4BFBF4B8BB...@216.196.121.131...
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> "SPQR" wrote:
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>
>>>> If you study it out with a sincere desire for the truth
>>>> you will find it.
>>>
>>> Science finds more of the truth every day,
>>
>> Yes, they are learning more of God's wonderful creation.
>
> How many of those scientists are trying to
> find cures for "Gods wonderful creation", do
> you think?
>
> Was a there a different "creator" of all
> the maladies and diseases we suffer from?

Jesus said:

"An enemy has done this." Matthew 3:28


Andrew

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May 19, 2013, 5:41:11 AM5/19/13
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"Harry K" wrote in message news:99161a8a-8b52-40af...@d8g2000pbe.googlegroups.com...
> "Attila Iskander" wrote:
>> "Meanie" wrote:
>> > Andrew wrote:
>> >> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>> >>> "Andrew" wrote:
>> >>>> "Meanie" wrote:
>> >>>>> Attila Iskander wrote:
>> >>>>>> "Meanie" wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>> Religious zealots grasps many straws with attempts of disarming the
>> >>>>>>> facts of evolution or other theories opposing creationism. They are
>> >>>>>>> desperate souls.
>>
>> >>>>>> I would suspect that the real "religious zealots" are such as you,
>> >>>>>> who have a need to denigrate and demonize those you see as your
>> >>>>>> opponents. And denigration and demonization of your opponents
>> >>>>>> only shows you to be the "desperate soul"..
>>
>> >>>>> I obviously hit a nerve stating a fact.
>>
>> >>>> If you have the truth, you need not denigrate those who
>> >>>> have a different position than yours. This you have done.
>>
>> >>>> Evidence best supports the Creation model of origins,
>> >>>> contrary to what you have been taught.
>>
>> >>> What evidence is that?
>>
>> >> If you study it out with a sincere desire for the truth
>> >> you will find it. Then you will want to renounce the
>> >> deceptions that they fed you; and then help others to
>> >> escape the falsehoods that have deceived the masses.
>>
>> >> ~ Andrew
>>
>> > LMFAO! The scary part is you truly believe it.
>>
>> Clearly your belief is not based on knowledge
>> A couple of other words for that are, bigotry, ignorance, prejudice.
>> There are a few more, but all seem to have far more syllables than you
>> can handle.
>
> Too bad for you that atheists do not "believe" - they accept moutains
> of hard evidence and facts.

"Hard evidence and facts" such as, that the entire Universe
with all of the rich diversity of life therein created itself?

No, this is your fantasy, your belief.


Malte Runz

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"Andrew" skrev i meddelelsen
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>
> "Not X" wrote in message news:ga0mt.88881$3F4...@fed04.iad...

(snip)


> > And what happened to all the fish? Fish are very sensitive
> > to the environment, and that rain would've made a mess of
> > the salinity (and probably temperature too).
>
> Many of them were engulfed in the sediment, buried quickly
> and became fossilized.
>
> Notice evidence here of rapid fossilization >> http://alturl.com/2dah9

The speed of fossilization is not determined by the speed of burial.

All you have is evidence that some animals died while eating.

Burp!


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Andrew

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May 19, 2013, 6:27:54 AM5/19/13
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"August Rode" wrote in message news:212805b1-f20d-44bb...@googlegroups.com...
> On Saturday, May 18, 2013 5:53:56 PM UTC-4, Andrew wrote:
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsA1C3D6905EFF9...@216.196.121.131...
>> > Brother Love wrote:
>> >
>> >> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
>> >> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
>> >>
>> >> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that evolutionists
>> >> cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking Man".
>> >
>> > How is that search for Noah's Ark coming along?
>>
>> If you are interested, you may find it located in Turkey
>> on that big mountain called Ararat, located 39 degrees
>> 42 minutes north latitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes
>> east longitude. http://www.wnd.com/2002/11/15907/
>
> That geographic location is nowhere near accurate enough, Andrew.
> I went to that precise location in Google Earth and there's nothing
> there except for the mountain. Nothing that looks like a huge ark.

It is visible only when conditions permit. With its summit at over
16, 000 feet of elevation, Mt. Ararat is snow and ice covered most
of the year. Viewing conditions of the area will vary by the season.
Late July and August would be the months of the least snow and
ice cover. If global warming turns out, then we could all just go
to Google Earth.


Andrew

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May 19, 2013, 6:28:29 AM5/19/13
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"Harry K" wrote in message news:6e2050fa-bfa2-438e...@yb1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
"Andrew" wrote:
> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
> > "Andrew" wrote:
> >> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
> >>> Brother Love wrote:
>
> >>>> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
> >>>> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
>
> >>>> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that
> >>>> evolutionists cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking
> >>>> Man".
>
> >>> How is that search for Noah's Ark coming along?
>
> >> If you are interested, you may find it located in Turkey
> >> on that big mountain called Ararat, located 39 degrees
> >> 42 minutes north latitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes
> >> east longitude. http://www.wnd.com/2002/11/15907/
>
> > Nope.
>
> > That is where fundies SAY it is.
>
> No, it is the exact location of what is referred to as the
> "Ararat anomaly", acknowledged (unofficially) by the
> US government.
>
> > So far no proof.
>
> Evidence, rather than proof. The photo is from the
> IKONOS Space Imaging satellite.
-
- And only you fundy kooks think it is a boat instead
- of the geologic formation that it is.

One of the photo analysts for the CIA believed that
it was -the- Ark. They have photos of the area going
back for decades.


Andrew

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May 19, 2013, 6:28:43 AM5/19/13
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"linuxgal" wrote in message news:saadnfWl8PCp2gXM...@giganews.com...
> Andrew wrote:
>> No, it is the exact location of what is referred to as the
>> "Ararat anomaly", acknowledged (unofficially) by the
>> US government.
>
> It's a rock outcropping in the shape of a boat.

Yeah, it's not really a boat. It just "looks like"
a boat.



Andrew

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May 19, 2013, 6:28:57 AM5/19/13
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"Harry K" wrote in message news:1473af01-1bcc-4208...@hc4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
"Andrew" wrote:
-
- Good, give us a cite where they say it is a boat.

They call it an "anomaly".


Andrew

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May 19, 2013, 6:29:26 AM5/19/13
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"Budikka666" wrote in message news:e6001093-bba6-4d17...@e14g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> If you have the truth, you need not denigrate those who
>> have a different position than yours. This you have done.
>
> This from the LYING fraudulent hypocrite who routinely changes the
> title of my messages, and RUNS when we ask that he support his claim
> that he's proving creation?
>
> This from the lowlife scum who hypocritically demands more evidence
> from the evolutionists when he can offer NONE of his own?
>
> This from the two-faced piece of theist trash who insults scientists
> with every single message he posts on Usenet?
>
> This from the colossal coward who challenged me and when I took up his
> challenge RAN like diarrhea?
>
> What a piece of Christian shit you are.
>
> And then you worhtless scum wonder why we insult *you*?
>
> Get a clue. Take the massive plank from your own blind eyes nefroe
> youe ver dare squeal like a stuck pig about what you judgmentally
> claim is a mote in ours, you sad waste of DNA.
>
> Budikka

If you had the truth you would not feel compelled
to denigrate those who have a different position
than yours.

Since this is what you have done, it is hard
evidence that you do not have the truth.


Andrew

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May 19, 2013, 6:40:31 AM5/19/13
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"Malte Runz" wrote in message news:5198a8af$0$279$edfa...@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
> "Andrew" skrev:
>> "Not X" wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
>> > And what happened to all the fish? Fish are very sensitive
>> > to the environment, and that rain would've made a mess of
>> > the salinity (and probably temperature too).
>>
>> Many of them were engulfed in the sediment, buried quickly
>> and became fossilized.
>>
>> Notice evidence here of rapid fossilization >> http://alturl.com/2dah9
>
> The speed of fossilization is not determined by the speed of burial.
>
> All you have is evidence that some animals died while eating.

But HOW did they die?



Wombat

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May 19, 2013, 6:50:41 AM5/19/13
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On May 19, 11:01 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in messagenews:XnsA1C4D383AA2B4...@216.196.121.131...
So how did the Tree sloth return to S. America and the Koala return to
Australia in the POST diluvial world? You can have it both ways.

Wombat

snip

August Rode

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May 19, 2013, 7:22:15 AM5/19/13
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That's what I like about you, Andrew. No matter what people tell you, you *never* bother investigating before you make a pronouncement. At that precise location, the satellite images used by Google Earth are clear of snow.

Mitchell Holman

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May 19, 2013, 8:08:42 AM5/19/13
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"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote in
news:1r6dnWg82MXKBwXM...@earthlink.com:
What enemy is capable of creating life?




Jeanne Douglas

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May 19, 2013, 8:16:26 AM5/19/13
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In article <oaqdne_rPrUaNAXM...@earthlink.com>,
You're not being denigrated for having a different position. And you
know this very well, because it's been explained to you in exacting
detail many times.

You are being denigrated for continuing to spout lies even after having
been given ample evidence (actual evidence, not the nonsense you try to
pass off as evidence) that what you're saying is untrue.



> Since this is what you have done, it is hard
> evidence that you do not have the truth.

Poor poor andrew. Doesn't understand what evidence is.

Jeanne Douglas

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May 19, 2013, 8:17:29 AM5/19/13
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In article <6-adnXb6_-jGNAXM...@earthlink.com>,
Vaguely. In the right light and from the right angle.

Jeanne Douglas

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May 19, 2013, 8:18:58 AM5/19/13
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In article <G4ydnTOBpI62NAXM...@earthlink.com>,
It's been over 10-1/2 years. Where are all the reports from all the
visits to the location in those years?

If they had found the Ark over 10 years ago, it would have been all over
the news for all of that time.

The fact that it hasn't is pretty strong evidence that you believe in a
fantasy.

Jeanne Douglas

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May 19, 2013, 8:21:11 AM5/19/13
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In article <loSdnQsHBZ1lCQXM...@earthlink.com>,
Sure it did. Hundreds of millions of years ago.

Are you suggesting that Noah lives hundreds of millions of years ago?
Are you suggesting that humanity existed hundreds of millions of years
ago?




> > 3) Explain what all the animals ate when
> > returned to dry land empty of all flora and
> > fauna.
>
> It says that some things were already growing by the time
> they de-arked (Genesis 8:11). Some plants grow rapidly.

How can ANYthing have grown when all the soil had been washed to the
bottom of the oceans? You can't grow crops on bare bedrock, you know.

Jeanne Douglas

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May 19, 2013, 8:21:52 AM5/19/13
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In article <DdSdnWOZEd_0NAXM...@earthlink.com>,
Then why are you claiming it's a boat?

Jeanne Douglas

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May 19, 2013, 8:22:55 AM5/19/13
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In article <StadnQnpt5zTNAXM...@earthlink.com>,
So nobody but this one guy thinks it's a boat. So why do you believe
him? Do you really know him well enough to trust what he says?

Jeanne Douglas

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May 19, 2013, 8:23:24 AM5/19/13
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In article <HaKdnZg5n7inAwXM...@earthlink.com>,
No, it's not.

Jeanne Douglas

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May 19, 2013, 8:24:21 AM5/19/13
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In article <Oq2dndNUX8O7BAXM...@earthlink.com>,
There's nothing on that page was photographs.

Where is the evidence of rapid fossilization?

Jeanne Douglas

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May 19, 2013, 8:25:08 AM5/19/13
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In article <FvGdnfBcy9K9MQXM...@earthlink.com>,
The same way all fish have died since the first fish emerged.

Les

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May 19, 2013, 8:46:08 AM5/19/13
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On Sat, 18 May 2013 17:16:20 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<nomailverizon.net> wrote:

>"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote in
>news:PMOdnfnxOK3tZQrM...@earthlink.com:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>> news:XnsA1C3D6905EFF9...@216.196.121.131...
>>> Brother Love wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
>>>> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
>>>>
>>>> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that
>>>> evolutionists cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking
>>>> Man".
>>>
>>> How is that search for Noah's Ark coming along?
>>
>> If you are interested, you may find it located in Turkey
>> on that big mountain called Ararat, located 39 degrees
>> 42 minutes north latitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes
>> east longitude. http://www.wnd.com/2002/11/15907/
>>
>
>
> Nope.
>
> That is where fundies SAY it is.
>So far no proof. Why is that, do you
>think?

They are looking in the wrong place. It came to rest
in fantasy land on top of the marizipan mountain near the
treacle mine and all the animals two-by live together happily
ever after.



--
Les Hellawell
Greeting from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County

"When you are in a crowd and you stand out from the
crowd it's ususually because you are being carried on
the shoulders of others."
- Desmond Tutu

tra...@optonline.net

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May 19, 2013, 8:49:22 AM5/19/13
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On May 19, 8:21 am, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> In article <loSdnQsHBZ1lCQXMnZ2dnUVZ_qudn...@earthlink.com>,
I'd also ask, it's Andrew's understanding that the antediluvian (pre-
flood)
world did not have animals all over the globe is based on what
exactly?
Not science, that's for sure.....






>
> > >   3) Explain what all the animals ate when
> > > returned to dry land empty of all flora and
> > > fauna.
>
> > It says that some things were already growing by the time
> > they de-arked (Genesis 8:11). Some plants grow rapidly.
>
> How can ANYthing have grown when all the soil had been washed to the
> bottom of the oceans? You can't grow crops on bare bedrock, you know.
>

Let's assume for a moment that "some" plants do indeed
start to grow quickly. What percentage of the animals of the
world could survive eating those plants as opposed to what
they actually required? While we're at it, what did all the
carnivores on the big old boat eat, eh? Lions don't eat
hay...... And aside from the requirement of plants for food,
plants also form most of the habitat for many species.
Do people really believe you could kill off all the vegetation,
all the trees in a rainforest, create what would be an enormous
rotting mass of dead vegetation, then put two of each animal
back there and everything would be fine? Good grief!




Budikka666

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May 19, 2013, 8:59:26 AM5/19/13
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On May 19, 5:29 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:e6001093-bba6-4d17...@e14g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
This from the fraud who never even read what I wrote otherwise he
wouldn't have posted such a monumentally stupid and inappropriate non-
response?

This from the LYING fraudulent hypocrite who routinely changes the
title of my messages, and RUNS when we ask that he support his claim
that he's proving creation?

This from the lowlife scum who hypocritically demands more evidence
from the evolutionists when he can offer NONE of his own?

This from the two-faced piece of theist trash who insults scientists
with every single message he posts on Usenet?

This from the colossal coward who challenged me and when I took up his
challenge RAN like diarrhea?

And then you worhtless scum wonder why we insult *you*?

Get a clue. Take the massive plank from your own blind eyes before
you ever dare squeal like a stuck pig about what you judgmentally

tra...@optonline.net

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May 19, 2013, 9:01:30 AM5/19/13
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On May 19, 6:28 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Harry K" wrote in messagenews:6e2050fa-bfa2-438e...@yb1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
>  "Andrew" wrote:
> > "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
> > > "Andrew" wrote:
> > >> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
> > >>> Brother Love wrote:
>
> > >>>> Wikipedia tells us that so-called "Peking Man" was Homo erectus
> > >>>> pekinensis, is an example of Homo erectus
>
> > >>>> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The truth is that
> > >>>> evolutionists cannot produce any evidence of there so-called "Peking
> > >>>> Man".
>
> > >>> How is that search for Noah's Ark coming along?
>
> > >> If you are interested, you may find it located in Turkey
> > >> on that big mountain called Ararat, located 39 degrees
> > >> 42 minutes north latitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes
> > >> east longitude.http://www.wnd.com/2002/11/15907/
>
> > > Nope.
>
> > > That is where fundies SAY it is.
>
> > No, it is the exact location of what is referred to as the
> > "Ararat anomaly", acknowledged (unofficially) by the
> > US government.
>
> > > So far no proof.
>
> > Evidence, rather than proof. The photo is from the
> > IKONOS Space Imaging satellite.
>
> -
> - And only you fundy kooks think it is a boat instead
> - of the geologic formation that it is.
>
> One of the photo analysts for the CIA believed that
> it was -the- Ark. They have photos of the area going
> back for decades.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Typical of the stretching.... If it's what's said in the article you
provided that you are now referring to, no one at CIA said it was
the ark. As I recall, it said there were 7 "experts" recruited by the
magazine,
who analyzed the CIA photos, not sure where those experts came from.
They could have come from a theological college for all we know.
Of the 7, it said 4 believed the object in the photo is" man-made", 2
believe it's
a rock, 1 said it was inconclusive. At most you have a slight
majority of
a group of 7 that say they "think" it's "man-made".

Malte Runz

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"Andrew" skrev i meddelelsen
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>
> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsA1C4D383AA2B4...@216.196.121.131...

(snip)

> > 1) Explain why no Christian has gone up to
> > Noah Ark and photographed it, much less brought
> > back a piece of it.
>
> There are some photographs and pieces of it. ...

Have you seen the pieces? Have you seen pictures of them? What are your
sources? You're either extremely gullible or simply lying.

> ... Consider that
> the mountain, including the anomaly (Ark), is snow and ice
> covered almost all year round, especially at the 13,000 foot
> level.

What you're saying is that it is very difficult to tell what is really going
on. You guys thrive on gaps in our knowledge.

>
> Also such efforts are hindered since the Turkish government
> closed off the area to visitors citing problems with Kurdish
> rebels and the site's proximity to borders of Iran and Armenia.

Consider yourselves lucky. A close inspection of the 'anomaly' by trained
geologists would blow your ark fantasy out of the water.

>
> > 2) IF Noah's Ark existed, explain how all
> > the animals native to Japan and Australia and
> > the Western Hemisphere got TO Noah's Ark and
> > then back again.
>
> My understanding is that the antediluvian world did not
> have such isolated geographical areas that you mention.

Your "understanding"? Don't flatter yourself. No amount of sanitary products
can camouflage the nature of your 'understanding'. You make up
'explanations' as you go along. Each answer you give is an ad hoc and in
complete contradiction to not only reality, but also all your other ad hocs,
and the penetrating odor accompanying them reveal their true origin.

>
> > 3) Explain what all the animals ate when
> > returned to dry land empty of all flora and
> > fauna.
>
> It says that some things were already growing by the time
> they de-arked (Genesis 8:11). Some plants grow rapidly.

"Some plants grow rapidly." Problem solved. A few fast growing plants will
feed thousands and thousands of completely different phyla, classes, orders,
families, genera and species for how long?
What is 'your understanding of the dietary needs of the postdeluvian
carnivors'? What piece of fecal matter are your going to squeeze out for us
this time?

>
> > 4) If all humanity comes from Noah where
> > did all the different human races come from?
>
> They came through the natural, God-given laws of genetics
> with such factors as selection, isolation and environmental
> pressure.

Noah et al were black Africans? Interesting.


--
Malte Runz

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