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Andrew
Feb 21, 2013, 4:18:05 PM2/21/13
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At least one of Flznagrp Argonpxhc'f command line tools, when asked for
program-readable output, produces columnar output where some columns are
fixed-width and others are space-separated.
Yes, I found a way to work with it anyway. It's still retarded. I lack a
BLAMing implement. I need to fix that.
--
Andrew
IT is a filter. It accepts masochists on stdin and emits misanthropes on
stdout.
program-readable output, produces columnar output where some columns are
fixed-width and others are space-separated.
Yes, I found a way to work with it anyway. It's still retarded. I lack a
BLAMing implement. I need to fix that.
--
Andrew
IT is a filter. It accepts masochists on stdin and emits misanthropes on
stdout.
Ron Parker
Feb 22, 2013, 9:53:45 AM2/22/13
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On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:18:05 -0500, Andrew wrote:
> Flznagrp
Really, this was the only word you needed.
> Flznagrp
Really, this was the only word you needed.
Andrew
Feb 22, 2013, 1:06:29 PM2/22/13
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to fail without giving any indication that they have done so, such that
some of our servers have not been correctly backed up in years. (and nobody
noticed, including me)
I can't think of any way to rant properly about it without providing UI,
unfortunately.
HATE Flznagrp.
Lawns 'R' Us
Feb 22, 2013, 3:45:04 PM2/22/13
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On 2013-02-22, Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Yes. Since the previous post I also discovered that there are ways for jobs
> to fail without giving any indication that they have done so, such that
> some of our servers have not been correctly backed up in years. (and nobody
> noticed, including me)
Trust me, this is not behaviour that is unique to Flznagrp. I've been
> Yes. Since the previous post I also discovered that there are ways for jobs
> to fail without giving any indication that they have done so, such that
> some of our servers have not been correctly backed up in years. (and nobody
> noticed, including me)
wrangling Gigantic Green's offering in this space for far too many
years, and I've seen that exact sort of thing happen there (granted,
the issue I discovered was one of subtle stupidity on the part of the
user rather than Gigantic Green per se, but still.)
The _really_ fun part was when I fixed the problem that was causing
the lack of indication, and had to explain why a job that had been
"working" happily for months was suddenly failing every single night.
Fortunately, those who had the authority to tell me to backout the
change understood my explanation, and didn't tell me to do so (and the
underlying problem did get fixed, eventually), but still ...
No good deed goes unpunished.
Hans Klager
Feb 22, 2013, 4:15:54 PM2/22/13
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On 22 Feb 2013 20:45:04 GMT, Lawns 'R' Us <nob...@nowhere.example.com> wrote:
> On 2013-02-22, Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Yes. Since the previous post I also discovered that there are ways for jobs
>> to fail without giving any indication that they have done so, such that
>> some of our servers have not been correctly backed up in years. (and nobody
>> noticed, including me)
>
> Trust me, this is not behaviour that is unique to Flznagrp.
One would expect that any system that is peddled to
> On 2013-02-22, Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Yes. Since the previous post I also discovered that there are ways for jobs
>> to fail without giving any indication that they have done so, such that
>> some of our servers have not been correctly backed up in years. (and nobody
>> noticed, including me)
>
> Trust me, this is not behaviour that is unique to Flznagrp.
corporations to do X would include ways to make sure that X was
done and if it wasn't let someone know who could fix it, or blame
someone.
Perhaps I am too naive.
--
"I think this is a very hard choice, but the price -- we think the price is
worth it." - Madeleine Albright on Iraqi 500,000 children that died during
sanctions; 60 Minutes (5/12/96)
David Cameron Staples
Feb 22, 2013, 4:28:48 PM2/22/13
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 21:15:54 +0000, Hans Klager wrote:
> Perhaps I am too naive.
Here is the beginning of wisdom.
> Perhaps I am too naive.
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David Gersic
Feb 22, 2013, 9:42:43 PM2/22/13
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 21:15:54 +0000 (UTC), Hans Klager <hans....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 22 Feb 2013 20:45:04 GMT, Lawns 'R' Us <nob...@nowhere.example.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-02-22, Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Yes. Since the previous post I also discovered that there are ways for jobs
>>> to fail without giving any indication that they have done so, such that
>>> some of our servers have not been correctly backed up in years. (and nobody
>>> noticed, including me)
>>
>> Trust me, this is not behaviour that is unique to Flznagrp.
>
> One would expect that any system that is peddled to
> corporations to do X would include ways to make sure that X was
> done and if it wasn't let someone know who could fix it, or blame
> someone.
You're new here, aren't you?
> On 22 Feb 2013 20:45:04 GMT, Lawns 'R' Us <nob...@nowhere.example.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-02-22, Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Yes. Since the previous post I also discovered that there are ways for jobs
>>> to fail without giving any indication that they have done so, such that
>>> some of our servers have not been correctly backed up in years. (and nobody
>>> noticed, including me)
>>
>> Trust me, this is not behaviour that is unique to Flznagrp.
>
> One would expect that any system that is peddled to
> corporations to do X would include ways to make sure that X was
> done and if it wasn't let someone know who could fix it, or blame
> someone.
One would like to hope that this was true. Having been sadly disappointed
in these hopes previously, one no longer expects anything even close
to what you're describing.
> Perhaps I am too naive.
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Peter Corlett
Feb 24, 2013, 1:33:13 PM2/24/13
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computers, however I happened to need to visit clamav.net on one of $CLIENT's
GameOS boxes to check something. Instead of the desired Useful Information, I
got a banner page from some Flznagrp filtering software proudly announcing that
I wasn't allowed to visit that site, without giving a reason. I bet I can guess
the reason, and now I know all I need to know about Flznagrp.
TimC
Feb 24, 2013, 7:39:27 PM2/24/13
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On 2013-02-24, Peter Corlett (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
We're using their HA product, which is essentially a maze of twisty
poorly written shell scripts, all unalike. Surprisingly, it hasn't
catastrophically broken yet, but I guess that's just because we
haven't had any need to invoke the HA functionality yet.
--
TimC It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean
it is. If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's.
It isn't our's either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs.
-- Oxford University Press, Edpress News
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
poorly written shell scripts, all unalike. Surprisingly, it hasn't
catastrophically broken yet, but I guess that's just because we
haven't had any need to invoke the HA functionality yet.
--
TimC It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean
it is. If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's.
It isn't our's either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs.
-- Oxford University Press, Edpress News
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LP
Feb 25, 2013, 9:44:30 AM2/25/13
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Lets try again with the right posting profile and chicken shall we (bloody
monday mornings...)
On 2013-02-24, Peter Corlett <ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Instead of the desired Useful Information, I
> got a banner page from some Flznagrp filtering software proudly announcing that
> I wasn't allowed to visit that site, without giving a reason.
Last week, I got ripped away from the important/interesting/engaging work I was
knees deep in because the "internal communications department" had noticed that
if they surfed from farcebook to a blog post they had just published, the "abegba
fnsrjro" farcebook app said "no" without giving much else in the way of detail.[1]
So I signed up for all the required Flznagrp accounts to get some detail about
what it was actually complaining about and started investigating for signs of
compromise. After about half an hour of rummaging in log files I hit (quite
by accident) upon a log file from 2009, which we'd mothballed while cleaning
up a compromise.
Yup, fnsrjro was complaining about a compromise which was cleaned up less than
2 hours after it happened, 4 years ago.
So I signed up for another account[2], jumped through all the "site verification"
hoops required to say that yes, we do own that blog, filled in a form for each
of the 36 urls they decided was compromised, and submitted the site for checking.
24 hours later, I finally get an email saying that the site is clean.
They score +10 points for finding the compromised site so quickly, but -10000
points for rechecking it within a sensible time frame, then -1000000 points
for making it a pain in the arse for the site owner to manually schedule a
recheck.
-Paul
[1] Of course, the report came to me third hand, in the form of a photo of the
error message taken on an iphone and emailed to an unrelated manager, without
any comments
[2] because the first one wasn't able to do what was required for some reason
best known to Flznagrp
--
http://paulseward.com
monday mornings...)
On 2013-02-24, Peter Corlett <ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Instead of the desired Useful Information, I
> got a banner page from some Flznagrp filtering software proudly announcing that
> I wasn't allowed to visit that site, without giving a reason.
knees deep in because the "internal communications department" had noticed that
if they surfed from farcebook to a blog post they had just published, the "abegba
fnsrjro" farcebook app said "no" without giving much else in the way of detail.[1]
So I signed up for all the required Flznagrp accounts to get some detail about
what it was actually complaining about and started investigating for signs of
compromise. After about half an hour of rummaging in log files I hit (quite
by accident) upon a log file from 2009, which we'd mothballed while cleaning
up a compromise.
Yup, fnsrjro was complaining about a compromise which was cleaned up less than
2 hours after it happened, 4 years ago.
So I signed up for another account[2], jumped through all the "site verification"
hoops required to say that yes, we do own that blog, filled in a form for each
of the 36 urls they decided was compromised, and submitted the site for checking.
24 hours later, I finally get an email saying that the site is clean.
They score +10 points for finding the compromised site so quickly, but -10000
points for rechecking it within a sensible time frame, then -1000000 points
for making it a pain in the arse for the site owner to manually schedule a
recheck.
-Paul
[1] Of course, the report came to me third hand, in the form of a photo of the
error message taken on an iphone and emailed to an unrelated manager, without
any comments
[2] because the first one wasn't able to do what was required for some reason
best known to Flznagrp
--
http://paulseward.com
Shmuel Metz
Feb 25, 2013, 2:37:41 PM2/25/13
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In <1x1u98wirjnb9.pvdg6pauggiz$.d...@40tude.net>, on 02/22/2013
169. Or is that UI?
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Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
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at 01:06 PM, Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> said:
>I can't think of any way to rant properly about it without
>providing UI, unfortunately.
See the message from Gen. Horsip to Schnerg, "Pandora's Planet", p
>I can't think of any way to rant properly about it without
>providing UI, unfortunately.
169. Or is that UI?
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Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
(S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003)
Shmuel Metz
Feb 25, 2013, 2:42:01 PM2/25/13
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In <kg9ab3$s3p$1...@dont-email.me>, on 02/23/2013
at 02:42 AM, David Gersic <usenet_s...@zaccaria-pinball.com>
said:
>One would like to hope that this was true.
I for one hope that it is true. That forlorn hope, however, does not
lead to belief, but rather to blind insensate rage. I trust that the
emotion is not unknown in this september froup.
at 02:42 AM, David Gersic <usenet_s...@zaccaria-pinball.com>
said:
>One would like to hope that this was true.
lead to belief, but rather to blind insensate rage. I trust that the
emotion is not unknown in this september froup.
Juancho
Feb 25, 2013, 5:15:01 PM2/25/13
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(their) product purchase. Afterwards, they always spoil it beyond all
recognition. Luckily, any self respecting IT dept. is always 7 seven
years behind cutting edge, minimum.
Andrew
Mar 1, 2013, 5:56:39 PM3/1/13
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On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:18:05 -0500, Andrew wrote:
> At least one of Flznagrp Argonpxhc'f command line tools, when asked for
> program-readable output, produces columnar output where some columns are
> fixed-width and others are space-separated.
>
> Yes, I found a way to work with it anyway. It's still retarded. I lack a
> BLAMing implement. I need to fix that.
As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
> program-readable output, produces columnar output where some columns are
> fixed-width and others are space-separated.
>
> Yes, I found a way to work with it anyway. It's still retarded. I lack a
> BLAMing implement. I need to fix that.
self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
for snarking.
Seriously, what is it with asking questions that can only be politely
answered by giant narcissists?
Hans Klager
Mar 1, 2013, 6:07:12 PM3/1/13
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On Fri, 1 Mar 2013 17:56:39 -0500, Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
> self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
> sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
> for snarking.
>
> Seriously, what is it with asking questions that can only be politely
> answered by giant narcissists?
It's the psych self introspection thing. We are all damaged
>
> As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
> self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
> sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
> for snarking.
>
> Seriously, what is it with asking questions that can only be politely
> answered by giant narcissists?
goods they think, so we should have a sit down and figure out
what's wrong with us.
Well, we know we are flawed, most of also are humble, the
last thing we want to do is dwell on it. But, the wankers love a
chance to tell us how great they are.
As far as I am concerned performance reviews are something
only a Stalinist would consider useful.
Self criticism comrade?
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Joe Zeff
Mar 1, 2013, 6:34:22 PM3/1/13
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On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 23:17:57 +0000, Roger Burton West wrote:
> Or the right sort of evangelical fundamentalist.
I've long been of the opinion that a fundamentalist is, by nature, a
humorless literalist. My favorite defense against that is using biblical
quotes that can't possibly be taken literally without making you laugh,
and watching their minds explode. One of my favorites is Deuteronomy
11:14, "...that I will give the rain of your land in its season, the
former rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy grain,
and thy wine, and thine oil."
Note that this implies a rather odd miracle every year because without
it, they'd be harvesting grain and grapes and olives.
--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
A dirty mind is a joy forever.
> Or the right sort of evangelical fundamentalist.
I've long been of the opinion that a fundamentalist is, by nature, a
humorless literalist. My favorite defense against that is using biblical
quotes that can't possibly be taken literally without making you laugh,
and watching their minds explode. One of my favorites is Deuteronomy
11:14, "...that I will give the rain of your land in its season, the
former rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy grain,
and thy wine, and thine oil."
Note that this implies a rather odd miracle every year because without
it, they'd be harvesting grain and grapes and olives.
--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
A dirty mind is a joy forever.
Joe Zeff
Mar 1, 2013, 8:00:42 PM3/1/13
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On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 23:34:22 +0000, Joe Zeff wrote:
> http://www.zeff.ushttp://www.lasfs.info
Odd, that. After I "upgraded" to version 17 of GansterHat, there were a
few glitches, and one of them messed up my .sig. I've told my newsreader
where to find the sigmonster, and in the posting window everything looked
right, but somehow, most of it didn't post. Right now, I'm seeing a
proper separator and everything else; let's see what gets out there
before I start digging further.
If you get published, you can't follow every reader in every bookstore
in the world around--shouting that's not what I meant on page four.
> http://www.zeff.ushttp://www.lasfs.info
Odd, that. After I "upgraded" to version 17 of GansterHat, there were a
few glitches, and one of them messed up my .sig. I've told my newsreader
where to find the sigmonster, and in the posting window everything looked
right, but somehow, most of it didn't post. Right now, I'm seeing a
proper separator and everything else; let's see what gets out there
before I start digging further.
If you get published, you can't follow every reader in every bookstore
in the world around--shouting that's not what I meant on page four.
Kevin Goebel
Mar 1, 2013, 11:16:58 PM3/1/13
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On Fri, 1 Mar 2013 17:56:39 -0500, Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:18:05 -0500, Andrew wrote:
>> At least one of Flznagrp Argonpxhc'f command line tools, when asked for
>> program-readable output, produces columnar output where some columns are
>> fixed-width and others are space-separated.
>> Yes, I found a way to work with it anyway. It's still retarded. I lack a
>> BLAMing implement. I need to fix that.
>As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
>self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
>sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
>for snarking.
>Seriously, what is it with asking questions that can only be politely
>answered by giant narcissists?
<AOL>Me too!</AOL> After a few years of standard employee reviews by
>> At least one of Flznagrp Argonpxhc'f command line tools, when asked for
>> program-readable output, produces columnar output where some columns are
>> fixed-width and others are space-separated.
>> Yes, I found a way to work with it anyway. It's still retarded. I lack a
>> BLAMing implement. I need to fix that.
>As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
>self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
>sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
>for snarking.
>Seriously, what is it with asking questions that can only be politely
>answered by giant narcissists?
supervisors, our department went squirrely during our annual performance
reviews. One year it was peer evaluations by random shuffling of forms (I
think it was random). Another year it was self-evaluations. I don't know if
the head of IT made the decision for our department to depart from the
standard format, or if our department was picked to be the guinea pig by
someone higher up in the food chain.
A supervisor mantra from a former job came to mind when I contemplated the
self-evaluations: "If you don't have enough to keep you busy, I can find
something for you to do."
A minor silver lining of the bank/auto economic collapse was that with wages
frozen by the company, they decided there was no need for annual reviews.
Kevin Goebel
Steve VanDevender
Mar 2, 2013, 1:16:52 AM3/2/13
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Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> writes:
> On 2013-03-01, Hans Klager wrote:
>> As far as I am concerned performance reviews are something
>>only a Stalinist would consider useful.
>
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Every day comes, every day goes / 100 years and nobody shows -- Happy Rhodes
> On 2013-03-01, Hans Klager wrote:
>> As far as I am concerned performance reviews are something
>>only a Stalinist would consider useful.
>
> Or the right sort of evangelical fundamentalist.
There is a right sort of those?
--
Steve VanDevender "I ride the big iron" http://hexadecimal.uoregon.edu/
ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu PGP keyprint 4AD7AF61F0B9DE87 522902969C0A7EE8
Little things break, circuitry burns / Time flies while my little world turns
Every day comes, every day goes / 100 years and nobody shows -- Happy Rhodes
Alexander Schreiber
Mar 2, 2013, 2:12:58 AM3/2/13
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Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:18:05 -0500, Andrew wrote:
>
>> At least one of Flznagrp Argonpxhc'f command line tools, when asked for
>> program-readable output, produces columnar output where some columns are
>> fixed-width and others are space-separated.
>>
>> Yes, I found a way to work with it anyway. It's still retarded. I lack a
>> BLAMing implement. I need to fix that.
>
> As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
> self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
> sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
> for snarking.
Advice from a cow-orker a few years back: "When writing your self-evaluation,
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:18:05 -0500, Andrew wrote:
>
>> At least one of Flznagrp Argonpxhc'f command line tools, when asked for
>> program-readable output, produces columnar output where some columns are
>> fixed-width and others are space-separated.
>>
>> Yes, I found a way to work with it anyway. It's still retarded. I lack a
>> BLAMing implement. I need to fix that.
>
> As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
> self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
> sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
> for snarking.
pretend you are a californian and describe how incredibly awesome you are.
After you are done, wash your hands thoroughly and behave normally again."
Kind regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
Måns Nilsson
Mar 2, 2013, 3:34:09 AM3/2/13
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Den 2013-03-01 skrev Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid>:
> Seriously, what is it with asking questions that can only be politely
> answered by giant narcissists?
They are made up by giant narcissists? Just a matter of adjusting the
> Seriously, what is it with asking questions that can only be politely
> answered by giant narcissists?
reference narcissism from BOFH to PHB. Remember to wear protective
clothing and welders gloves.
A bit like real estate lingo:
Charming kitchen == Renovate or suffer.
Some renovation required == Total wreck, stay away.
Sailboat capable dock == Expect to pay a medium-sized fortune.
(the last one is the most expensive phrase of all in .SE real-estate text,
as determined by a survey some years back.)
--
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MN-1334-RIPE +46 705 989668
Did an Italian CRANE OPERATOR just experience uninhibited sensations in
a MALIBU HOT TUB?
Peter Corlett
Mar 2, 2013, 6:19:16 AM3/2/13
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Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[...]
effect or is some other kind of self-important arsehole. Now, what it does with
the results tells you what to do next. If they get fired or "promoted"
somewhere they can't do any damage, that company's a keeper. Otherwise you
might want to get your CV up to date and start looking around.
I generally file such timewasting forms in the bin. It's not as if they would
ever result in a greater pay rise or promotion than if I expended an equal
amount of bullshit and self-promotion on getting a job elsewhere.
[...]
> Seriously, what is it with asking questions that can only be politely
> answered by giant narcissists?
The organisation is filtering to find who suffers from the Dunning-Kruger
> answered by giant narcissists?
effect or is some other kind of self-important arsehole. Now, what it does with
the results tells you what to do next. If they get fired or "promoted"
somewhere they can't do any damage, that company's a keeper. Otherwise you
might want to get your CV up to date and start looking around.
I generally file such timewasting forms in the bin. It's not as if they would
ever result in a greater pay rise or promotion than if I expended an equal
amount of bullshit and self-promotion on getting a job elsewhere.
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Maarten Wiltink
Mar 3, 2013, 5:45:01 AM3/3/13
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"Kevin Goebel" <kevi...@kevingoebel.com> wrote in message
news:tiu2j8lskcjkj76uu...@4ax.com...
[...]
Unless there never were any, which sounds not at all unlikely.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
news:tiu2j8lskcjkj76uu...@4ax.com...
[...]
> A minor silver lining of the bank/auto economic collapse was that
> with wages frozen by the company, they decided there was no need
> for annual reviews.
So they stopped the reviews of the company by the employees, too?
> with wages frozen by the company, they decided there was no need
> for annual reviews.
Unless there never were any, which sounds not at all unlikely.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
Shmuel Metz
Mar 3, 2013, 11:43:35 AM3/3/13
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In <kgs5h5$hm5$1...@thames.novusordo.net>, on 03/01/2013
at 10:16 PM, Steve VanDevender <ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu>
said:
>Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> writes:
>> On 2013-03-01, Hans Klager wrote:
>>> As far as I am concerned performance reviews are something
>>>only a Stalinist would consider useful.
>>
>> Or the right sort of evangelical fundamentalist.
>There is a right sort of those?
Yes, powerless.
at 10:16 PM, Steve VanDevender <ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu>
said:
>Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> writes:
>> On 2013-03-01, Hans Klager wrote:
>>> As far as I am concerned performance reviews are something
>>>only a Stalinist would consider useful.
>>
>> Or the right sort of evangelical fundamentalist.
>There is a right sort of those?
Shmuel Metz
Mar 3, 2013, 11:41:08 AM3/3/13
to
In <20130301231727....@firedrake.org>, on 03/01/2013
at 11:17 PM, Roger Burton West
at 11:17 PM, Roger Burton West
>> As far as I am concerned performance reviews are something
>>only a Stalinist would consider useful.
>>only a Stalinist would consider useful.
>Or the right sort of evangelical fundamentalist.
I want an illustrated Song of Songs for a literalist.
Garrett Wollman
Mar 2, 2013, 12:53:13 AM3/2/13
to
In article <tiu2j8lskcjkj76uu...@4ax.com>,
Modern and Standard Business Best Practice and it must be adopted
across the entire institution. Perhaps not suprising, because the
B-school bit is unreasonably effective at getting its bad ideas
adopted by Mahogany Row. They're the ones who are responsible for the
entire university moving to Exchange, so that they can send noxious
Outbreak calendar crap to all their correspondents. (Nobody cared so
long as it was limited to their own School, but they got this idea
that they could collaborate better with the School of Science and the
School of Engineering if they forced everyone to use it. Or something
similarly inane. Last I checked, more of our users used the horrid
Javashit app from that search-engine company than forwarded their mail
to the campus Exchange setup. (Which IIRC requires something like two
dozen servers to work right.)
>A minor silver lining of the bank/auto economic collapse was that with wages
>frozen by the company, they decided there was no need for annual reviews.
Sorry to hear that. We at least haven't lost ground, but the raise
pool this year was barely enough[1] to counteract the increase in
Social Security taxes this year.
-GAWollman
[1] As in, $7 and change a month for me, after taxes. They're
theoretically working on getting us real raises (I haven't had a
proper one since 2001), but I'll believe that when I see it --
particularly considering how "sequestration" is likely to affect our
budget if nothing is done before the next fiscal year.
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Kevin Goebel <kevin@at@kevingoebel.dot.com> wrote:
><AOL>Me too!</AOL> After a few years of standard employee reviews by
>supervisors, our department went squirrely during our annual performance
>reviews.
Unfortunately, our whole university decided that this was clearly the
><AOL>Me too!</AOL> After a few years of standard employee reviews by
>supervisors, our department went squirrely during our annual performance
>reviews.
Modern and Standard Business Best Practice and it must be adopted
across the entire institution. Perhaps not suprising, because the
B-school bit is unreasonably effective at getting its bad ideas
adopted by Mahogany Row. They're the ones who are responsible for the
entire university moving to Exchange, so that they can send noxious
Outbreak calendar crap to all their correspondents. (Nobody cared so
long as it was limited to their own School, but they got this idea
that they could collaborate better with the School of Science and the
School of Engineering if they forced everyone to use it. Or something
similarly inane. Last I checked, more of our users used the horrid
Javashit app from that search-engine company than forwarded their mail
to the campus Exchange setup. (Which IIRC requires something like two
dozen servers to work right.)
>A minor silver lining of the bank/auto economic collapse was that with wages
>frozen by the company, they decided there was no need for annual reviews.
pool this year was barely enough[1] to counteract the increase in
Social Security taxes this year.
-GAWollman
[1] As in, $7 and change a month for me, after taxes. They're
theoretically working on getting us real raises (I haven't had a
proper one since 2001), but I'll believe that when I see it --
particularly considering how "sequestration" is likely to affect our
budget if nothing is done before the next fiscal year.
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Chloe
Mar 4, 2013, 2:40:22 AM3/4/13
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On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 10:19:37 +0100, Gallian <gal...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>
>>
>> As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
>> self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
>> sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
>> for snarking.
>
> Don't get me started.
> Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>
>>
>> As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
>> self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
>> sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
>> for snarking.
>
>
> "What do you want?"
>
I would be worried if HR asked that.
Almost as much as if they asked "Who are you?"
Chloe
Lawns 'R' Us
Mar 4, 2013, 4:09:04 AM3/4/13
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ppint. at pplay
Mar 4, 2013, 4:13:38 AM3/4/13
to
- hi; in article, <slrnkj8jv6...@asteroid.igloo.snowfields.net>,
Ch...@asteroid.igloo.snowfields.net "Chloe" shuddered:
- "do you exist?"
- "does anyone else?"
- love, ppint.
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
"No creature without tentacles had ever developed true intelligence."
- "Hunting Problem" Robert Sheckley
Ch...@asteroid.igloo.snowfields.net "Chloe" shuddered:
- "does anyone else?"
- love, ppint.
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
"No creature without tentacles had ever developed true intelligence."
- "Hunting Problem" Robert Sheckley
Juergen Nickelsen
Mar 4, 2013, 6:52:00 AM3/4/13
to
Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> writes:
> As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
> self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
> sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
> for snarking.
If all else fails, go for self-aggrandizing and leave it to someone
> As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
> self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
> sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
> for snarking.
else to lower that score -- then it is theirs to come up with a
justification. Maybe they even won't.[1]
My previous boss asked for a rough self-assessment for a few key
points (like quality of work, quantity of work, social/cooperation
skills, business focus, etc.), but only like "excellent", "good",
"satisfactory", and the like. In the actual performance review, he
put them side to side with his own as a conversation starter. I
found that quite okay. Usually my own values were the lower ones,
but that didn't keep him from sticking with his.
[1] When I asked for a resume at a previous workplace, the ex-boss
said "fine, just give me a draft to work from." I wrote it in
the most possible way and said he could put in his own
assessments where necessary. Not only he left everything in, but
he also added a very positive sentence in one place. Good thing
I had let a few years pass after we had parted in anger.
--
Var48500=Buchstabierungscheck in Arbeit..
Chloe
Mar 4, 2013, 8:41:08 AM3/4/13
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Chloe
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Jim
Mar 4, 2013, 9:13:03 AM3/4/13
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On 2013-03-04, Chloe <Ch...@asteroid.igloo.snowfields.net> wrote:
>>>> Don't get me started.
>>>>
>>>> "What do you want?"
>>>>
>>>
>>> I would be worried if HR asked that.
>>> Almost as much as if they asked "Who are you?"
>>
>> Even better: "Why are you here?"
>
> I guess I can only end with "Where are you going?"
"Are you still here?"
>>>> Don't get me started.
>>>>
>>>> "What do you want?"
>>>>
>>>
>>> I would be worried if HR asked that.
>>> Almost as much as if they asked "Who are you?"
>>
>> Even better: "Why are you here?"
>
> I guess I can only end with "Where are you going?"
Jim
--
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David Taylor
Mar 4, 2013, 10:10:13 AM3/4/13
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On 2013-03-04, Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> wrote:
> made^Wwritte^Wmade up by self and bosses, current or former, have zero input
> on it. This may just be popular usage of the term or a US-centric perversion.
> I don't care about the pedantry (gasp!) (but would be interested to know).
> Just saying, I had to read what you wrote 3 times to figure it out.
In order to understand what I read, I mentally replaced 'resume' with
'reference'. Whether that is the intended meaning, I don't know.
--
David Taylor
> On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 12:52:00 +0100, Juergen Nickelsen wrote:
>> [1] When I asked for a resume at a previous workplace, the ex-boss
>> said "fine, just give me a draft to work from." I wrote it in
>> the most possible way and said he could put in his own
>> assessments where necessary. Not only he left everything in, but
>> he also added a very positive sentence in one place. Good thing
>> I had let a few years pass after we had parted in anger.
>
> Interesting. You may or may not be aware, in the US the 'resume' is
>> [1] When I asked for a resume at a previous workplace, the ex-boss
>> said "fine, just give me a draft to work from." I wrote it in
>> the most possible way and said he could put in his own
>> assessments where necessary. Not only he left everything in, but
>> he also added a very positive sentence in one place. Good thing
>> I had let a few years pass after we had parted in anger.
>
> made^Wwritte^Wmade up by self and bosses, current or former, have zero input
> on it. This may just be popular usage of the term or a US-centric perversion.
> I don't care about the pedantry (gasp!) (but would be interested to know).
> Just saying, I had to read what you wrote 3 times to figure it out.
In order to understand what I read, I mentally replaced 'resume' with
'reference'. Whether that is the intended meaning, I don't know.
--
David Taylor
Joe Zeff
Mar 4, 2013, 12:41:49 PM3/4/13
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On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 05:53:13 +0000, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> Perhaps not suprising, because the B-school bit
> is unreasonably effective at getting its bad ideas adopted by Mahogany
> Row.
Did they also come up with the idea of only selling soft drinks from
> Perhaps not suprising, because the B-school bit
> is unreasonably effective at getting its bad ideas adopted by Mahogany
> Row.
CrcfvPb?
If you want to do this, the best way is in the nude,
sitting in the bathtub.
Shmuel Metz
Mar 4, 2013, 10:41:20 AM3/4/13
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In <vf0hobez...@bermuda.zedat.fu-berlin.de>, on 03/04/2013
at 12:52 PM, Juergen Nickelsen <juergen....@fu-berlin.de>
said:
>Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
>> self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
>> sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
>> for snarking.
>If all else fails, go for self-aggrandizing
When I was drafted they sent me to personnel class and part of the
curriculum dealt with the care and feeding of officers. If you have
junior officers reporting to you and don't wish to shaft them, then
you *must* rate them as excellent; an honest evaluation would be a
death sentence for their careers.
at 12:52 PM, Juergen Nickelsen <juergen....@fu-berlin.de>
said:
>Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
>> self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
>> sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
>> for snarking.
>If all else fails, go for self-aggrandizing
curriculum dealt with the care and feeding of officers. If you have
junior officers reporting to you and don't wish to shaft them, then
you *must* rate them as excellent; an honest evaluation would be a
death sentence for their careers.
Shmuel Metz
Mar 4, 2013, 10:33:31 AM3/4/13
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In <slrnkj8jv6...@asteroid.igloo.snowfields.net>, on 03/04/2013
>I would be worried if HR asked that.
>Almost as much as if they asked "Who are you?"
Where are you going.
at 07:40 AM, Chloe <Ch...@asteroid.igloo.snowfields.net> said:
>On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 10:19:37 +0100, Gallian <gal...@linuxmail.org>
>wrote: > Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>
>>>
>>> As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
>>> self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
>>> sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
>>> for snarking.
>>
>> Don't get me started.
>>
>> "What do you want?"
Vir had a good answer to that.
>On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 10:19:37 +0100, Gallian <gal...@linuxmail.org>
>wrote: > Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>
>>>
>>> As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
>>> self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
>>> sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
>>> for snarking.
>>
>> Don't get me started.
>>
>> "What do you want?"
>I would be worried if HR asked that.
>Almost as much as if they asked "Who are you?"
Maarten Wiltink
Mar 4, 2013, 3:31:05 PM3/4/13
to
"Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote
in message news:51337db7$77$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net...
In other countries, that only takes the traction out of every
engine on rails.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
in message news:51337db7$77$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net...
> In <kgs5h5$hm5$1...@thames.novusordo.net>, on 03/01/2013
> at 10:16 PM, Steve VanDevender <ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu>
> said:
>> Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> writes:
>>> On 2013-03-01, Hans Klager wrote:
>>>> As far as I am concerned performance reviews are something
>>>> only a Stalinist would consider useful.
>>>
>>> Or the right sort of evangelical fundamentalist.
>
>> There is a right sort of those?
>
> Yes, powerless.
In some countries, all that takes is a few inches of snow.
> at 10:16 PM, Steve VanDevender <ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu>
> said:
>> Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> writes:
>>> On 2013-03-01, Hans Klager wrote:
>>>> As far as I am concerned performance reviews are something
>>>> only a Stalinist would consider useful.
>>>
>>> Or the right sort of evangelical fundamentalist.
>
>> There is a right sort of those?
>
> Yes, powerless.
In other countries, that only takes the traction out of every
engine on rails.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
Maarten Wiltink
Mar 4, 2013, 3:44:42 PM3/4/13
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"Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote in
message news:5134c0a0$10$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net...
[...]
> When I was drafted they sent me to personnel class and part of the
> curriculum dealt with the care and feeding of officers. If you have
> junior officers reporting to you and don't wish to shaft them, then
> you *must* rate them as excellent; an honest evaluation would be a
> death sentence for their careers.
Thus taking all the information content out of the process, like an
> curriculum dealt with the care and feeding of officers. If you have
> junior officers reporting to you and don't wish to shaft them, then
> you *must* rate them as excellent; an honest evaluation would be a
> death sentence for their careers.
overexposed photograph that shows nothing but the halo.
Even for the army, that's stupid. In case of inflation, just chop off
a few zeroes every few years; even banana republics can manage this.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
Peter H. Coffin
Mar 4, 2013, 5:46:20 PM3/4/13
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On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 05:53:13 +0000 (UTC), Garrett Wollman wrote:
> In article <tiu2j8lskcjkj76uu...@4ax.com>,
> Kevin Goebel <kevin@at@kevingoebel.dot.com> wrote:
>><AOL>Me too!</AOL> After a few years of standard employee reviews by
>>supervisors, our department went squirrely during our annual performance
>>reviews.
>
> Unfortunately, our whole university decided that this was clearly the
> Modern and Standard Business Best Practice and it must be adopted
> across the entire institution. Perhaps not suprising, because the
> B-school bit is unreasonably effective at getting its bad ideas
> adopted by Mahogany Row.
Amusingly, Large Green had the "360 Peer Review", for about five years,
> In article <tiu2j8lskcjkj76uu...@4ax.com>,
> Kevin Goebel <kevin@at@kevingoebel.dot.com> wrote:
>><AOL>Me too!</AOL> After a few years of standard employee reviews by
>>supervisors, our department went squirrely during our annual performance
>>reviews.
>
> Unfortunately, our whole university decided that this was clearly the
> Modern and Standard Business Best Practice and it must be adopted
> across the entire institution. Perhaps not suprising, because the
> B-school bit is unreasonably effective at getting its bad ideas
> adopted by Mahogany Row.
and abandoned it as time-consuming and ineffective a bit less than a
decade ago. They didn't trade it for anything more sensible in the long
run (requiring managers to grade their direct reports on a curve means
that small departments always have one person in the HR shithouse, and
a manager's only real input is whether to scapegoat the same person
every time or whether to rotate the positions), but they did get rid of
that particular foolishness for what seems like the correct reasons.
--
Science is like sex:
sometimes something useful comes out, but that's not why we're doing it.
-- Richard Feynman
David Scheidt
Mar 4, 2013, 5:58:13 PM3/4/13
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Juergen Nickelsen <juergen....@fu-berlin.de> wrote:
:[1] When I asked for a resume at a previous workplace, the ex-boss
for one, and have had them provided by several people who've asked one
from me. No way most of the people who have provided me a reference
would have taken the time to write one from scratch. Some have used
it as provided, some have added their own bits, a few rewrite.
--
There's a rather large difference between pissing on a 600V third rail
and a 33 kV power line.
:[1] When I asked for a resume at a previous workplace, the ex-boss
: said "fine, just give me a draft to work from." I wrote it in
: the most possible way and said he could put in his own
: assessments where necessary. Not only he left everything in, but
: he also added a very positive sentence in one place. Good thing
: I had let a few years pass after we had parted in anger.
I have provided a sample reference letter to nearly everyone I've ever asked
: the most possible way and said he could put in his own
: assessments where necessary. Not only he left everything in, but
: he also added a very positive sentence in one place. Good thing
: I had let a few years pass after we had parted in anger.
for one, and have had them provided by several people who've asked one
from me. No way most of the people who have provided me a reference
would have taken the time to write one from scratch. Some have used
it as provided, some have added their own bits, a few rewrite.
--
There's a rather large difference between pissing on a 600V third rail
and a 33 kV power line.
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Brian Kantor
Mar 5, 2013, 12:17:47 AM3/5/13
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In article <20130304.091...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>,
- Brian
ppint. at pplay <v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> - hi; in article, <slrnkj8jv6...@asteroid.igloo.snowfields.net>,
> Ch...@asteroid.igloo.snowfields.net "Chloe" shuddered:
>> Gallian <gal...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>>> Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>> As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
>>>> self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
>>>> sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
>>>> for snarking.
>>>
>>> Don't get me started.
>>> "What do you want?"
>>
>>I would be worried if HR asked that.
>>Almost as much as if they asked "Who are you?"
>
> - "do you exist?"
>
> - "does anyone else?"
- "when did we hire you?"
> - hi; in article, <slrnkj8jv6...@asteroid.igloo.snowfields.net>,
> Ch...@asteroid.igloo.snowfields.net "Chloe" shuddered:
>> Gallian <gal...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>>> Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>> As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
>>>> self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
>>>> sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
>>>> for snarking.
>>>
>>> Don't get me started.
>>> "What do you want?"
>>
>>I would be worried if HR asked that.
>>Almost as much as if they asked "Who are you?"
>
> - "do you exist?"
>
> - "does anyone else?"
- Brian
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David Cameron Staples
Mar 5, 2013, 1:00:58 AM3/5/13
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the basement, yyeeeah, that'd be great."
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Melbourne University | ITS | Hosting | Unix Operations
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Alan J. Wylie
Mar 5, 2013, 8:03:40 AM3/5/13
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
>>> "What do you want?"
>
> Vir had a good answer to that.
<waves>
>>> "What do you want?"
>
> Vir had a good answer to that.
--
Alan J. Wylie http://www.wylie.me.uk/
Marc Haber
Mar 5, 2013, 8:54:40 AM3/5/13
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Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> wrote:
He meant a reference, in German a Zeugnis. A C.V. is a Lebenslauf in
German, and whatever a resume is, I guess it's the total collection of
all papers that one would want to deliver in an application.
Greetings
Marc
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Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | http://www.zugschlus.de/
Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 621 72739834
>On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 12:52:00 +0100, Juergen Nickelsen wrote:
>> [1] When I asked for a resume at a previous workplace, the ex-boss
>> said "fine, just give me a draft to work from." I wrote it in
>> the most possible way and said he could put in his own
>> assessments where necessary. Not only he left everything in, but
>> he also added a very positive sentence in one place. Good thing
>> I had let a few years pass after we had parted in anger.
>
>> [1] When I asked for a resume at a previous workplace, the ex-boss
>> said "fine, just give me a draft to work from." I wrote it in
>> the most possible way and said he could put in his own
>> assessments where necessary. Not only he left everything in, but
>> he also added a very positive sentence in one place. Good thing
>> I had let a few years pass after we had parted in anger.
>
>Interesting. You may or may not be aware, in the US the 'resume' is
>made^Wwritte^Wmade up by self and bosses, current or former, have zero input
>on it. This may just be popular usage of the term or a US-centric perversion.
>I don't care about the pedantry (gasp!) (but would be interested to know).
>Just saying, I had to read what you wrote 3 times to figure it out.
>made^Wwritte^Wmade up by self and bosses, current or former, have zero input
>on it. This may just be popular usage of the term or a US-centric perversion.
>I don't care about the pedantry (gasp!) (but would be interested to know).
He meant a reference, in German a Zeugnis. A C.V. is a Lebenslauf in
German, and whatever a resume is, I guess it's the total collection of
all papers that one would want to deliver in an application.
Greetings
Marc
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-------------------------------------- !! No courtesy copies, please !! -----
Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header
Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | http://www.zugschlus.de/
Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 621 72739834
Marc Haber
Mar 5, 2013, 8:56:28 AM3/5/13
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
>When I was drafted they sent me to personnel class and part of the
>curriculum dealt with the care and feeding of officers. If you have
>junior officers reporting to you and don't wish to shaft them, then
>you *must* rate them as excellent; an honest evaluation would be a
>death sentence for their careers.
The same as Ronl and Nznmba? Anything but "five stars" will kill a
>When I was drafted they sent me to personnel class and part of the
>curriculum dealt with the care and feeding of officers. If you have
>junior officers reporting to you and don't wish to shaft them, then
>you *must* rate them as excellent; an honest evaluation would be a
>death sentence for their careers.
business?
Shmuel Metz
Mar 5, 2013, 8:54:26 AM3/5/13
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In <5135048a$0$6965$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>, on 03/04/2013
at 09:31 PM, "Maarten Wiltink" <maa...@kittensandcats.net> said:
>In other countries, that only takes the traction out of every engine
>on rails.
Does maglev count as on rails?
>In other countries, that only takes the traction out of every engine
>on rails.
Bernard Peek
Mar 5, 2013, 1:24:54 PM3/5/13
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On 05/03/13 13:54, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
> In <5135048a$0$6965$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>, on 03/04/2013
> at 09:31 PM, "Maarten Wiltink" <maa...@kittensandcats.net> said:
>
>> In other countries, that only takes the traction out of every engine
>> on rails.
>
> Does maglev count as on rails?
>
Strictly, no.
> In <5135048a$0$6965$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>, on 03/04/2013
> at 09:31 PM, "Maarten Wiltink" <maa...@kittensandcats.net> said:
>
>> In other countries, that only takes the traction out of every engine
>> on rails.
>
> Does maglev count as on rails?
>
It is near rails though.
--
Bernard Peek
b...@shrdlu.com
Shmuel Metz
Mar 5, 2013, 10:34:37 AM3/5/13
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In <87y5e2k...@wylie.me.uk>, on 03/05/2013
they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next
ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I'd look
up at your lifeless eyes and wave like this. Can you and your
associates arrange it for me, Mr. Morden?"
><waves>
I refer to that as "Morden on a stick".
at 01:03 PM, al...@wylie.me.uk (Alan J. Wylie) said:
>Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid>
>writes:
>>>> "What do you want?"
>>
>> Vir had a good answer to that.
Vir to Morden: "I'd like to live just long enough to be there when
>Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid>
>writes:
>>>> "What do you want?"
>>
>> Vir had a good answer to that.
they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next
ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I'd look
up at your lifeless eyes and wave like this. Can you and your
associates arrange it for me, Mr. Morden?"
><waves>
I refer to that as "Morden on a stick".
Steve VanDevender
Mar 5, 2013, 2:56:44 PM3/5/13
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
> In <87y5e2k...@wylie.me.uk>, on 03/05/2013
> at 01:03 PM, al...@wylie.me.uk (Alan J. Wylie) said:
>
>>Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid>
>>writes:
>
>>>>> "What do you want?"
>>>
>>> Vir had a good answer to that.
>
> Vir to Morden: "I'd like to live just long enough to be there when
> they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next
> ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I'd look
> up at your lifeless eyes and wave like this. Can you and your
> associates arrange it for me, Mr. Morden?"
>
>><waves>
>
> I refer to that as "Morden on a stick".
The best part about that is that eventually Vir did get his wish.
> In <87y5e2k...@wylie.me.uk>, on 03/05/2013
> at 01:03 PM, al...@wylie.me.uk (Alan J. Wylie) said:
>
>>Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid>
>>writes:
>
>>>>> "What do you want?"
>>>
>>> Vir had a good answer to that.
>
> Vir to Morden: "I'd like to live just long enough to be there when
> they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next
> ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I'd look
> up at your lifeless eyes and wave like this. Can you and your
> associates arrange it for me, Mr. Morden?"
>
>><waves>
>
> I refer to that as "Morden on a stick".
--
For I know what you don't know / And I see things you'll never see /
And I've a different way of living, you know / And I've such a different
frame of mind, and so ... / I'm on my way to the funnyfarm
-- Happy Rhodes, "To the Funnyfarm"
Joe Zeff
Mar 5, 2013, 5:32:20 PM3/5/13
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On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 10:34:37 -0500, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
> Vir to Morden: "I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they
> cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten
> generations that some favors come with too high a price. I'd look up at
> your lifeless eyes and wave like this. Can you and your associates
> arrange it for me, Mr. Morden?"
AIUI, the script didn't specify waving; it just had him say, "...and do
> Vir to Morden: "I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they
> cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten
> generations that some favors come with too high a price. I'd look up at
> your lifeless eyes and wave like this. Can you and your associates
> arrange it for me, Mr. Morden?"
this." The gesture was left up to Stephen Furst.
Or you can continue griping and being bitter, which is often just
as good as solving a problem. Whatever works.
Seebs
Mar 11, 2013, 9:19:41 PM3/11/13
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On 2013-03-01, Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
> self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
> sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
> for snarking.
>
> Seriously, what is it with asking questions that can only be politely
> As long as I have a gripe thread, here's another one: Performance
> self-evaluations. I can never work out how to fill them in without either
> sounding like a massively self-aggrandizing asshole, or else getting fired
> for snarking.
>
> answered by giant narcissists?
Yet another problem solved by autism. It's a factual question. I can provide
a literal answer. PROBLEM SOLVED!
-s
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Firesong
Apr 4, 2013, 10:40:24 AM4/4/13
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On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 13:41:08 +0000, Chloe
<Ch...@asteroid.igloo.snowfields.net> wrote:
>On 04 Mar 2013 09:09:04 GMT, Lawns 'R' Us <nob...@nowhere.example.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-03-04, Chloe <Ch...@asteroid.igloo.snowfields.net> wrote:
*ahem* "What do you plan to do with THAT!" ending on a rising scream.
Iain
<Ch...@asteroid.igloo.snowfields.net> wrote:
>On 04 Mar 2013 09:09:04 GMT, Lawns 'R' Us <nob...@nowhere.example.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-03-04, Chloe <Ch...@asteroid.igloo.snowfields.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 10:19:37 +0100, Gallian <gal...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>>>> Don't get me started.
>>>>
>>>> "What do you want?"
>>>>
>>>
>>> I would be worried if HR asked that.
>>> Almost as much as if they asked "Who are you?"
>>
>>>>
>>>> "What do you want?"
>>>>
>>>
>>> I would be worried if HR asked that.
>>> Almost as much as if they asked "Who are you?"
>>
>> Even better: "Why are you here?"
>
>I guess I can only end with "Where are you going?"
>
>Chloe
>
>I guess I can only end with "Where are you going?"
>
*ahem* "What do you plan to do with THAT!" ending on a rising scream.
Iain
Richard Gadsden
Apr 5, 2013, 6:53:00 PM4/5/13
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In article <slrnkj2d7b.bc...@adeed.tele.com> on Fri, 1 Mar 2013
to sack. Sadly, the fraction of executives who collect anonymous
performance reviews from their reports' reports for that purpose requires
Knuth's arrow notation to express the denominator.
--
Richard Gadsden
"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death
your right to say it" - Attributed to Voltaire
23:07:12 +0000 (UTC), hans....@gmail.com (Hans Klager) wrote:
> As far as I am concerned performance reviews are something
> only a Stalinist would consider useful.
Performance reviews are enormously useful in determining which managers
> As far as I am concerned performance reviews are something
> only a Stalinist would consider useful.
to sack. Sadly, the fraction of executives who collect anonymous
performance reviews from their reports' reports for that purpose requires
Knuth's arrow notation to express the denominator.
--
Richard Gadsden
"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death
your right to say it" - Attributed to Voltaire
Andrew
Apr 9, 2013, 1:35:40 PM4/9/13
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On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 23:53 +0100 (BST), Richard Gadsden wrote:
> In article <slrnkj2d7b.bc...@adeed.tele.com> on Fri, 1 Mar 2013
> 23:07:12 +0000 (UTC), hans....@gmail.com (Hans Klager) wrote:
>
>> As far as I am concerned performance reviews are something
>> only a Stalinist would consider useful.
>
> Performance reviews are enormously useful in determining which managers
> to sack.
I was expecting that sentence to be followed by "if a manager voluntarily
> In article <slrnkj2d7b.bc...@adeed.tele.com> on Fri, 1 Mar 2013
> 23:07:12 +0000 (UTC), hans....@gmail.com (Hans Klager) wrote:
>
>> As far as I am concerned performance reviews are something
>> only a Stalinist would consider useful.
>
> Performance reviews are enormously useful in determining which managers
> to sack.
adopts performance reviews within their department, sack them."
--
Andrew
IT is a filter. It accepts masochists on stdin and emits misanthropes on
stdout.
Hans Klager
Apr 9, 2013, 4:21:36 PM4/9/13
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On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 13:35:40 -0400, Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 23:53 +0100 (BST), Richard Gadsden wrote:
>
>> In article <slrnkj2d7b.bc...@adeed.tele.com> on Fri, 1 Mar 2013
>> 23:07:12 +0000 (UTC), hans....@gmail.com (Hans Klager) wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I am concerned performance reviews are something
>>> only a Stalinist would consider useful.
>>
>> Performance reviews are enormously useful in determining which managers
>> to sack.
>
> I was expecting that sentence to be followed by "if a manager voluntarily
> adopts performance reviews within their department, sack them."
That certainly works for me. If anything brings out the
> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 23:53 +0100 (BST), Richard Gadsden wrote:
>
>> In article <slrnkj2d7b.bc...@adeed.tele.com> on Fri, 1 Mar 2013
>> 23:07:12 +0000 (UTC), hans....@gmail.com (Hans Klager) wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I am concerned performance reviews are something
>>> only a Stalinist would consider useful.
>>
>> Performance reviews are enormously useful in determining which managers
>> to sack.
>
> I was expecting that sentence to be followed by "if a manager voluntarily
> adopts performance reviews within their department, sack them."
worst in people it is criticism and even worse self-criticism.
--
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
- George Orwell
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