Re: The next object

[c...@nospam.netunix.com]

Sn!pe <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> <mystery voice>
>
> The next object is an interloper in a dead froup,
> an /interloper./
>
> </mv>

Who left the door open ?
Is this an invasion from the shedde ?

--
From the quill of Chris Newport g4jci.

[c...@nospam.netunix.com]

Sn!pe <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> <c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:
>
> > Sn!pe <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > > <mystery voice>
> > >
> > > The next object is an interloper in a dead froup,
> > > an /interloper./
> > >
> > > </mv>
> >
> > Who left the door open ?
> > Is this an invasion from the shedde ?
>

> It's better than having the monastery door unceremoniously
> slam shut. This used to be such an interesting place to lurk,
> but alas no more, oh woe.

Death of usenet - film at 11

[LP]

On 2012-09-27, c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com <c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:
>
> Death of usenet - film at 11

One of the other usenet groups I'm active on had until recently a web
portal, which had been around for about 10 years (and as is SOP for 10 year
old unloved php code - had one or two unattended security issues[1]) Around
80% of the traffic on said group came via that web interface.

When the web interface was finally shut down, understandably a lot of the
community who were using it dissipated and didn't bother to decamp to an
alternative.

This isn't surprising or at all interesting.

What I found surprising was that the very same day the web portal was shut
down, traffic in asr dropped to near zero as well.

I can't believe the two are connected in any way shape or form, but it did
surprise me that the two busiest groups I follow died off at the same time.

-Paul
[1] Including a rather amusing XSS vuln[2] which could be exploited by merely
posting html in your message headers.
[2] And a couple of slightly less amusing password disclosure problems.
--
http://paulseward.com

[Brian Kantor]

> Death of usenet - film at 11

I wouldn't claim that all the rants have been ranted, nor that people
aren't finding new ways to screw up, but maybe we're just so jaded that
those sorts of events are no longer netnewsworthy.

I've been sysadminning for the better part of 40 years and I simply don't
get surprised much anymore. And who wants to hear about another luser
who managed to remove his entire home directory full of invaluable data?
Colossal stupidity surrounds us.

Maybe we're just all tired.
- Brian

[Paul]

br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) wrote in
news:k428vv$58b$1...@karoshi.ucsd.edu:

> Maybe we're just all tired.

I was tired, now I'm re-tired.

--
Paul the Legacy Server
Full Recovery reached May 30, 2008
"People can be educated beyond their intelligence"
-- Marilyn vos Savant

[Paul]

sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) wrote in
news:1kr3nk5.1efri2w6eavd8N%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk:

> Brian Kantor <br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
>> Maybe we're just all tired.
>> - Brian
>

> Besides, I hear that sysadmins are mostly being replaced by
> computers. Such irony, or maybe just the ultimate recovery.
>
> Maybe at last I'll be able to give up my Usenet obsession. I hear
> that there's a room next door with a blue ceiling, but the big
> yellow face, it hurts us.

I'm spending a lot of time in that room - mostly destroying
vegetation in various ways.

Reconfiguring actual dead trees into neat stacks.

Poison ivy is like crackers...

[c...@nospam.netunix.com]

Paul <pssa...@comcast.net.invalid> wrote:
> br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) wrote in
> news:k428vv$58b$1...@karoshi.ucsd.edu:
>
> > Maybe we're just all tired.
>
> I was tired, now I'm re-tired.

Indeed, many of us have passed the magic 0x42 and are now contemplating
the meaning of life, the universe, and everything.

It would be nice to hear from some of the old regulars such as Mike and
Lionel who have been conspicuous by their silence though.

[Lawns 'R' Us]

On 2012-09-27, c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com <c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:

> It would be nice to hear from some of the old regulars such as Mike and
> Lionel who have been conspicuous by their silence though.

Dunno about Unca Mike, but Lionel's still around, still alive and
kicking. He does most of his posting on G+ these days, TTBOMK.

[c...@nospam.netunix.com]

Sn!pe <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > > It would be nice to hear from some of the old regulars such as Mike and
> > > Lionel who have been conspicuous by their silence though.
> >
> > Dunno about Unca Mike, but Lionel's still around, still alive and
> > kicking. He does most of his posting on G+ these days, TTBOMK.
>

> Yes, he's still there.
> [waves]

What is this G+ thing of which you speak ?

[mrob...@att.net]

c...@nospam.netunix.com wrote:

> Sn!pe <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> This used to be such an interesting place to lurk, but alas no more,
>> oh woe.
>
> Death of usenet - film at 11

Back in April I posted uggc://vzthe.pbz/Ubbbv with data from the usual
suspect. Updating it to today shows the totally new and different
picture of uggc://vzthe.pbz/V24uj . It has to be true, it's in a chart!

Matt Roberds

[Hans Klager]

On 27 Sep 2012 12:21:35 -0700, Brian Kantor <br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
> Maybe we're just all tired.

Jaded and cynical I think. Some may say we are bitter.


--
"It was not café society. It was Nescafé society." - Noel
Coward about Las Vegas.

[Brian Kantor]

Paul <pssa...@comcast.net.INVALID> wrote:
>I was tired, now I'm re-tired.

I figure I've got another 5 years before that happens.
Maybe less.
- Brian

[Maarten Wiltink]

"Brian Kantor" <br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu> wrote in message
news:k44559$bbk$1...@karoshi.ucsd.edu...

I figure that for every year I age, at least a year will be
added to the retirement age.

Fortunately, the same seems to be happening to the age of
unemployability.

Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink

[Shmuel Metz]

In <k43tbv$idl$2...@dont-email.me>, on 09/28/2012
at 11:15 AM, Chronos <m...@privacy.net> said:

>That was actually tongue firmly in cheek as well. Sarcasm doesn't
>come across very well in text, does it? Reminds me of a post I made
>to security@ a while ago where two lads were discussing physical
>security and I suggested disguising the swerver as a 386 complete
>with turbo LED and a couple of seven-segs displaying "25," attaching
>an EPROM burner to it, scattering some 2716s on the desk and, for
>added authenticity, a few razor blades with suspicious reddish-brown
>stains on them. Nobody is going anywhere near that one.

It's just not in their D,NA.

--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <http://patriot.net/~shmuel> ISO position
Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
(S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003)

[Shmuel Metz]

In <slrnk6a8nf.i...@adeed.tele.com>, on 09/28/2012

at 04:09 AM, Hans Klager <hans....@gmail.com> said:

>Jaded and cynical I think. Some may say we are bitter.

Aren't those prerequisites for being here?

[Andrew]

On 27 Sep 2012 12:21:35 -0700, Brian Kantor wrote:

> And who wants to hear about another luser
> who managed to remove his entire home directory full of invaluable data?
> Colossal stupidity surrounds us.

How about stupid tech support instead? Yesterday a tech from $VENDOR tried
to tell me that, because non-$VENDOR drives don't report their serial
numbers to the monitoring software, and a failed drive wasn't reporting its
serial number, clearly it wasn't their drive and wouldn't be covered by
warranty.

I pointed out that (A implies B) does not imply (B implies A), and asked if
a $VENDOR drive with physically destroyed connectors would still report its
serial.

He didn't see my point.

--
Andrew

IT is a filter. It accepts masochists on stdin and emits misanthropes on
stdout.

[Maarten Wiltink]

"Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote in
message news:5065be8e$14$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net...

> In <slrnk6a8nf.i...@adeed.tele.com>, on 09/28/2012
> at 04:09 AM, Hans Klager <hans....@gmail.com> said:

>> Jaded and cynical I think. Some may say we are bitter.
>
> Aren't those prerequisites for being here?

Not all of them. I get away with being merely jaded and cynical[0],
not bitter. But then, I have a hobby outside computers now.

Incidentally, where I live 'klager' means 'complainer'.

Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink

[0] 'People are stupid. This is not news.' I have learned to keep the
part of my opinions that mark me as jaded more to myself; people
so easily take offense.

[Peter Corlett]

Maarten Wiltink <usene...@mfw.dds.nl> wrote:
[...]

> Not all of them. I get away with being merely jaded and cynical[0], not
> bitter. But then, I have a hobby outside computers now.

Sadly, the main hobby I found outside of computers was drinking to forget. I
should probably go and find a second hobby.

[Wojciech Derechowski]

On 2012-09-28, Peter Corlett <ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:
> Sadly, the main hobby I found outside of computers was drinking to forget. I
> should probably go and find a second hobby.

Aviation? Drawing sheeps? http://cs.swan.ac.uk/~cswill/The_little_prince.pdf

WD
--
Who is Entscheidungs and what is his problem?

[c...@nospam.netunix.com]

Crawling into a bottle is a _very_ bad idea. BTDT many years ago now,
kicking the habit was tough. There are better ways of coping.
Even flipping burgers is better than a job that pushes you into booze.

[David Gersic]

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:54:10 -0400, Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> He didn't see my point.

Did you sharpen it and reapply?

[Peter Corlett]

<c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:
> Peter Corlett <ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:
[...]

>> Sadly, the main hobby I found outside of computers was drinking to forget. I
>> should probably go and find a second hobby.
> Crawling into a bottle is a _very_ bad idea. BTDT many years ago now, kicking
> the habit was tough. There are better ways of coping. Even flipping burgers
> is better than a job that pushes you into booze.

I'm not stranger to the inside of a pub, but I did rather have my tongue in my
cheek when writing that.

One of my hobbies *is* going to the pub, but that's because I'm a bit of an
ale-fancier, and it's an excuse to meet up with my opposite number at other
companies and let off steam. I find drunkenness is a very tedious side-effect
though, because it gets in the way of trying many different kinds of beer.

[Hans Klager]

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 21:06:00 +0200, Maarten Wiltink
<maa...@kittensandcats.net> wrote:
> "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote in
> message news:5065be8e$14$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net...
>> In <slrnk6a8nf.i...@adeed.tele.com>, on 09/28/2012
>> at 04:09 AM, Hans Klager <hans....@gmail.com> said:
>
>>> Jaded and cynical I think. Some may say we are bitter.
>>
>> Aren't those prerequisites for being here?
>
> Not all of them. I get away with being merely jaded and cynical[0],
> not bitter. But then, I have a hobby outside computers now.
>
> Incidentally, where I live 'klager' means 'complainer'.

It does indeed. In some parts hans can mean "his".

[Alan J Rosenthal]

br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) writes:
>And who wants to hear about another luser
>who managed to remove his entire home directory full of invaluable data?

Certainly not other lusers, who blithely assume it can't happen to them
and therefore they don't need to make backups, and the disk space you
set aside for backups is being wasted and is now required to be made
available as primary storage.

[Alan J Rosenthal]

ab...@mooli.org.uk (Peter Corlett) writes:
>One of my hobbies *is* going to the pub, but that's because I'm a bit of an
>ale-fancier, and it's an excuse to meet up with my opposite number at other
>companies and let off steam. I find drunkenness is a very tedious side-effect
>though, because it gets in the way of trying many different kinds of beer.

Yes indeed, and I perhaps should some day sort out some of my conflicting
feelings about that. I greatly enjoy drinking [pause for a sip of
Glenmorangie], but I'm not particularly into being drunk. I don't
mind being slightly drunk on occasion, but I definitely dislike being
more-than-slightly drunk.

Yet I'm confident that I wouldn't like dealcoholized Scotch or vodka,
were there such a thing (which I hope there isn't). So I'm really
not sure what's up here.

[TimC]

On 2012-09-27, Lawns 'R' Us (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

> On 2012-09-27, c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com <c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:
>> It would be nice to hear from some of the old regulars such as Mike and
>> Lionel who have been conspicuous by their silence though.
>
> Dunno about Unca Mike, but Lionel's still around, still alive and
> kicking. He does most of his posting on G+ these days, TTBOMK.

And Mike on farceb0rk, surprisingly.

--
TimC
I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and
professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones. -- Linus Torvalds, 1991

[Hans Klager]

On 29 Sep 2012 01:11:22 GMT, Alan J Rosenthal <fl...@dgp.toronto.edu> wrote:
>
> Yes indeed, and I perhaps should some day sort out some of my conflicting
> feelings about that. I greatly enjoy drinking [pause for a sip of
> Glenmorangie], but I'm not particularly into being drunk. I don't
> mind being slightly drunk on occasion, but I definitely dislike being
> more-than-slightly drunk.
>
> Yet I'm confident that I wouldn't like dealcoholized Scotch or vodka,
> were there such a thing (which I hope there isn't). So I'm really
> not sure what's up here.

There are I would say degrees of drunkeness. These
degrees are measureable. Competition shooters have been known to
take a shot of spirits before shooting and calling it "Group
tightener". Recent studies show that creativity is increased with
a couple of beers.

Between that and waking in a pool of your own vomit,
there are many degrees of intoxication.

This also explains why many of us like a beer - yes just
a single beer - after a day in the salt mine, it takes the edge
off. If it is a good beer that can be savoured, so much the better.

[Joe Zeff]

On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 11:56:55 +0000, Hans Klager wrote:

> This also explains why many of us like a beer - yes just
> a single beer - after a day in the salt mine, it takes the edge off. If
> it is a good beer that can be savoured, so much the better.

Alas, I've been told my one of my doctors to avoid alcohol for reasons
that have nothing to do with my liver. Apparently, it's a blood
thinner. Who knew? At least he didn't forbid my use of the food group
mentioned in my .sig quote.

--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
Anything goes with garlic. Except custard.

[Hans Klager]

On 29 Sep 2012 17:21:18 GMT, Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info>
wrote:

>
> Alas, I've been told my one of my doctors to avoid alcohol for reasons
> that have nothing to do with my liver. Apparently, it's a blood
> thinner. Who knew? At least he didn't forbid my use of the food group
> mentioned in my .sig quote.

There is a class of booze known as bitters. Fernet
Branca, Jaegermeister, Gammel Dansk, Zwack, Echt Stonsdorfer and
a few others - Besides a few home made ones.

They pretty much all taste nasty, and that's the point.
They were at one time considered medicine, hence the herbal taste
and the major benefit was to thin the blood. They were drunk
first thing in the morning, or when feeling a bit under the
weather.

[John F. Eldredge]

On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 17:35:27 +0000, Hans Klager wrote:

> On 29 Sep 2012 17:21:18 GMT, Joe Zeff
> <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
>>
>> Alas, I've been told my one of my doctors to avoid alcohol for reasons
>> that have nothing to do with my liver. Apparently, it's a blood
>> thinner. Who knew? At least he didn't forbid my use of the food group
>> mentioned in my .sig quote.
>
> There is a class of booze known as bitters. Fernet
> Branca, Jaegermeister, Gammel Dansk, Zwack, Echt Stonsdorfer and a few
> others - Besides a few home made ones.
>
> They pretty much all taste nasty, and that's the point.
> They were at one time considered medicine, hence the herbal taste and
> the major benefit was to thin the blood. They were drunk first thing in
> the morning, or when feeling a bit under the weather.

Also, alcohol can interact with medication. If I have a drink, I have to
limit myself to just one, because it interacts with my diabetes
medication.

--
John F. Eldredge -- jo...@jfeldredge.com
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly
is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria

[Joe Zeff]

On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 17:49:32 +0000, John F. Eldredge wrote:

> Also, alcohol can interact with medication. If I have a drink, I have
> to limit myself to just one, because it interacts with my diabetes
> medication.

And that, of course, is Yet Another Reason why I have to be very careful
ab out booze.

--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info

Anything worth using has a learning curve.

[Maarten Wiltink]

"Joe Zeff" <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote in message
news:50672e0e$0$9062$862e...@ngroups.net...
[...]

> Alas, I've been told my one of my doctors to avoid alcohol for reasons
> that have nothing to do with my liver. Apparently, it's a blood

> thinner. ...

Isn't that Aspirine[0]? Alcohol was the one that worked by widening the
blood vessels in the story as it was told to me.

Obviously, that also works to improve circulation, but by a different
mechanism.

Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink

[0] That's Aspirine(tm), not paracetamol/acetaminophen. Corrie has
had it prescribed to her before a long flight to prevent her
thrombosis recurring. Against fevers and headaches, we routinely take
paracetamol and call it aspirine. That time, the difference mattered.

[Brian Kantor]

Maarten Wiltink <usene...@mfw.dds.nl> wrote:
>Isn't that Aspirine[0]? Alcohol was the one that worked by widening the
>blood vessels in the story as it was told to me.

Aspirin (no longer a trademark in the usa), acetylsalicylic acid or ASA,
is a platelet inhibiter which significantly reduces the clotting ability
of blood. As such, I guess you could call it a blood thinner.

Acetaminophen/paracetamol (APAP) doesn't do this.
- Brian

[Joe Zeff]

On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 11:27:14 +0200, Maarten Wiltink wrote:

> Isn't that Aspirine[0]? Alcohol was the one that worked by widening the
> blood vessels in the story as it was told to me.

All NSAID drugs denature platelets. Mine are running about 47,000,
compared to a normal count of 150,000, so you can see why my hematologist
is concerned. He's also told me to avoid alcohol, although the
occasional sip is OK. Acetaminophen isn't a blood thinner, but for me,
at least, it's also not a pain reliever. Recently I had a low blood
sugar incident that left me with a bad back and the only thing that
worked was Vicodin. Right now, I'm out of it and waiting to see my
primary Thursday morning.

[0]Legacy footnote, not supported.

--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info

The Tree of Liberty is THIRSTY!

[Shmuel Metz]

In <50681073$0$6934$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>, on 09/30/2012

at 11:27 AM, "Maarten Wiltink" <maa...@kittensandcats.net> said:

>[0] That's Aspirine(tm), not paracetamol/acetaminophen. Corrie has
> had it prescribed to her before a long flight to prevent her
> thrombosis recurring. Against fevers and headaches, we
> routinely take paracetamol and call it aspirine. That time,
> the difference mattered.

The difference always matters; they cause different collateral damage.

[Jay E. Morris]

On 9/30/2012 12:31 PM, ab...@127.0.0.1 wrote:
> On 2012-09-29, Gallian <gal...@linuxmail.org> wrote:

>> Or the variation we had last week, the lusers that need to connect to a
>> business critical server at a different office, and ask if there is
>> another way to connect when their line goes down.
>>
>> 'Short of having a backup line, there isn't.'
>>
>> 'Well, can't you order us one?'
>
> 'Yes. But I have to warn you: you knowest not what you askest.'
>
> There's a new shiny building on the next block that lost power
> in a summer thunderstorm. The building has two separate power
> feeds coming in from opoosite sides. The clever design is, one
> feeds the western half of the building, the other: eastern half.
> There is a Very Big Switch in between that must stay open or Bad
> Shit(tm) will happen. But if one side of the building loses power,
> someone goes up there and throws the switch closed, and there shall
> be light.
>

Back in the dark ages, Cape Canaveral Air Force Station was designed
with dual power feeds, one station in the north and one in the south.
Either could support the entirety of CCAFS. And then CCAFS grew. And
grew. And grew. In the early 90s it was decided to replace the
transformers in each of the stations. No problem. Just power down the
one station and let the other carry the load until the transformers are
replaced. So they throw the switch (or what ever they do) and we had an
excellent test of all the backup power systems.


--
Walk to end Alzheimer's
http://tinyurl.com/9re5zpn The end of Alzheimer's disease starts here

[Joe Thompson]

"Maarten Wiltink" <maa...@kittensandcats.net> wrote:
> [0] That's Aspirine(tm), not paracetamol/acetaminophen. Corrie has
> had it prescribed to her before a long flight to prevent her
> thrombosis recurring. Against fevers and headaches, we routinely take
> paracetamol and call it aspirine. That time, the difference mattered.

It also matters to parents -- over here there are ongoing awareness
campaigns targeted at parents of young kids to NEVER NEVER NEVER give them
aspirin, because in young kids aspirin + viral infection = increased risk
of Reye's Syndrome, which in severe cases basically presents as sudden
multiple organ failure plus encephalitis. Apparently once they hit the
teen years the risk is practically nil, but there's a reason there's
Children's Tylenol but no children's aspirin. -- Joe

[Hans Klager]

On Mon, 1 Oct 2012 00:24:44 +0000 (UTC), Joe Thompson <sp...@orion-com.com>
wrote:

There is a children's aspirin. Has been for years. Now they
pimp it as a bllod thinner:

uggc://jjj.fgwbfrcunfcveva.pbz/`

[Brian Kantor]

Joe Thompson <sp...@orion-com.com> wrote:
>but there's a reason there's
>Children's Tylenol but no children's aspirin. -- Joe

There used to be. I remember it as having a chewy texture and a
revolting orange flavour. Eccch.
- Brian

[Garrett Wollman]

In article <k4ah15$99o$1...@dont-email.me>,

Jay E. Morris <mor...@epsilon3.com> wrote:

>Back in the dark ages, Cape Canaveral Air Force Station was designed
>with dual power feeds, one station in the north and one in the south.

As was much of Kendall Square, Cambridge, when it was redeveloped in
the early 1960s. Then 1963-11-22 happened, and Johnson decided that
Mission Control should be located in Texas.

-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993

[Hans Klager]

Just today, I saw a bottle in the trash, picked it up, it
was "Low Dose" aspirin chewey in some flavour I forget.

Chilluns aspirin has been "re branded" as "low dose"
(Eating half a pill is haard!)

[Maarten Wiltink]

"Sn!pe" <sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1krb4os.argqjz1ayrejhN%sn...@spambin.fsnet.co.uk...

> [...] May I say that it's nice to see a little activity in here?

Amen, brother.


> I've refrained from posting for the last few days because I lack
> the proper credentials. I'd try to join in occasionally if only I
> thought that I wouldn't get a rocket up my arse. I'll take lack of
> followups to this post to be the clue that that I need.

Apart from the gratuitous punctuation in your screen name, you look
alright to me. But then, I only collected a single Bastard in all
my time here, and it was carefully put at the beginning of a
sentence, so... waitaminute, are you fishing for approval? Go away.


> JFTR the only rants that I might excrete are from RL,
> I've been out of Erny Pbzchgvat since 1975.

You lucky descendent of an unmarried lady dog, you.

It makes me feel like the young feller in a whort column on the back
of a recent newspaper, who expressed to a Beatles cover musician his
wish to be old like him. 'I grew up with house.'

Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink

[Andrew]

On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 01:41:46 +0000 (UTC), Hans Klager wrote:

> (Eating half a pill is haard!)

Ever tried to split a caffeine pill using only a pen, without getting ink
all over it? It's harder than it seems.

--
Andrew

IT is a filter. It accepts masochists on stdin and emits misanthropes on
stdout.

[Lionel]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:18:57 +0000, crn wrote:
[...]

> It would be nice to hear from some of the old regulars such as Mike and
> Lionel who have been conspicuous by their silence though.

Yo!
Having recovered some years ago, you can now find me on G+, where I post
frequently[0] on both fluffy & non-fluffy topics.

[0] Less so in the last couple of weeks, as I've been demonstrating that
online activities can, in fact, result in TTTSNBN.

[Lionel]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:34:05 +0000, Lawns 'R' Us wrote:

> On 2012-09-27, c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com <c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:

>> It would be nice to hear from some of the old regulars such as Mike and
>> Lionel who have been conspicuous by their silence though.
>

> Dunno about Unca Mike, but Lionel's still around, still alive and
> kicking. He does most of his posting on G+ these days, TTBOMK.

Indeed. So much so that I reflexively reached for the + button on your
comment. I feel terribly guilty saying so, but G+ is - at least for me -
a pretty good substitute for Usenet.

[Lionel]

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:56:49 +0000, Roger Burton West wrote:

> On 2012-09-28, Chronos wrote:
>>Reminds me of a post I made to security@ a while ago where two lads were
>>discussing physical security and I suggested disguising the swerver as a
>>386 complete with turbo LED and a couple of seven-segs displaying "25,"
>>attaching an EPROM burner to it, scattering some 2716s on the desk and,
>>for added authenticity, a few razor blades with suspicious reddish-brown
>>stains on them. Nobody is going anywhere near that one.
>
> I vaguely fancy refitting one of those cases so that the turbo button
> actually starts a turbine. (Powered by the exhaust air flow, perhaps.)

Thank you both for reminding me of why I like The Monastery.

[Lionel]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 23:34:49 +0100, Wader of Doom wrote:

> <c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:
>
>> It would be nice to hear from some of the old regulars such as Mike and
>> Lionel who have been conspicuous by their silence though.
>

> I wonder what might happen if I mentioned Frnzhf in Yvbary'f presence.
>
> Message-ID: <h3j40n$t4s$3...@news.eternal-september.org> et. seq.
>
> Hot damn, there goes my obsession again.

Dunno. WhoTF is Seamus?

[Seth]

In article <k455bc$onm$1...@dont-email.me>,
David Gersic <usenet_s...@zaccaria-pinball.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:54:10 -0400, Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> He didn't see my point.
>
>Did you sharpen it and reapply?

Other way around: it was too subtle to begin with.

Dull it and reapply.

Seth
--
There's no amount of rudeness in the world that can not be cured by the
judicious application of extreme violence. -- Roland Lee

[David Scheidt]

ab...@127.0.0.1 wrote:
:On 2012-10-02, Hans Klager <hans....@gmail.com> wrote:

:> On 1 Oct 2012 10:02:01 -0700, Brian Kantor <br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu> wrote:
:>> Joe Thompson <sp...@orion-com.com> wrote:
:>>>but there's a reason there's
:>>>Children's Tylenol but no children's aspirin. -- Joe
:>>
:>> There used to be. I remember it as having a chewy texture and a
:>> revolting orange flavour. Eccch.
:>
:> Just today, I saw a bottle in the trash, picked it up, it
:> was "Low Dose" aspirin chewey in some flavour I forget.
:>
:> Chilluns aspirin has been "re branded" as "low dose"
:> (Eating half a pill is haard!)

:Nope. "Low doze" is for preventing heart attacks. "High doze" is

Low dose asprin is 81 mg a tablet, which is the traditional US
children's dosage. Other countries that didn't depend on arachic
measurements will vary.

Children's asprin started going away after about 1980 in the US,
replaced with the toxin called APAP. Probably not coincidently,
childhood asmtha rates started going up steeply at the same time.


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[Maarten Wiltink]

"David Scheidt" <dsch...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:k4fa3b$853$1...@reader1.panix.com...
[...]

> Children's asprin started going away after about 1980 in the US,

> replaced with the toxin called APAP. ...

Let's not get carried away here. All medicines are bad for you.

Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink

[David Scheidt]

Maarten Wiltink <maa...@kittensandcats.net> wrote:
:"David Scheidt" <dsch...@panix.com> wrote in message

Perhaps. Were APAP introduced today, with what's now known about it,
there's a very good chance that it would not be approved for use in
humans. There's close to zero chance that it would approved for OTC
sales, and there's even less chance that it would be compounded into
all sorts of otherwise perfectly useful drugs.

It's primary advantages are it doesn't upset stomachs, and it takes
long enough to kill people that the people who give it don't get
blamed.


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[Richard Todd]

David Scheidt <dsch...@panix.com> writes:

> Perhaps. Were APAP introduced today, with what's now known about it,
> there's a very good chance that it would not be approved for use in
> humans. There's close to zero chance that it would approved for OTC
> sales, and there's even less chance that it would be compounded into
> all sorts of otherwise perfectly useful drugs.
>
> It's primary advantages are it doesn't upset stomachs, and it takes
> long enough to kill people that the people who give it don't get
> blamed.

It's also useful in helping people who take large quantities of Percocet to
get high die of liver failure, instead of having to wait for them to take the
larger quantities necessary to kill them from opiate overdose.

[David Scheidt]

Richard Todd <rmt...@ichotolot.servalan.com> wrote:

And for killing the people who take the percocet to deal with pain.
Anyone who takes drugs for pain is clearly a waste of oxygen, right?

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[Kevin Goebel]

On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 10:03:31 -0400, Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 01:41:46 +0000 (UTC), Hans Klager wrote:

>> (Eating half a pill is haard!)

>Ever tried to split a caffeine pill using only a pen, without getting ink
>all over it? It's harder than it seems.

Real men just suck on the pill until it's half-dissolved, then spit it back
into the bottle to save the remainder for the next dose.

No, wait! What I really meant to type was: Finally, a new use for my 5.25"
disk notcher!

Kevin Goebel

[Wojciech Derechowski]

On 2012-10-03, Kevin Goebel <kevi...@kevingoebel.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 10:03:31 -0400, Andrew <and...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 01:41:46 +0000 (UTC), Hans Klager wrote:
>
>>> (Eating half a pill is haard!)
>
>>Ever tried to split a caffeine pill using only a pen, without getting ink
>>all over it? It's harder than it seems.
>
> Real men just suck on the pill until it's half-dissolved, then spit it back
> into the bottle to save the remainder for the next dose.

Yes, over the phone.

WD
--
Who is Entscheidungs and what is his problem?

[Maarten Wiltink]

"David Scheidt" <dsch...@panix.com> wrote in message

news:k4g6ng$93e$2...@reader1.panix.com...

> Richard Todd <rmt...@ichotolot.servalan.com> wrote:
> :David Scheidt <dsch...@panix.com> writes:

>> <APAP>'s also useful in helping people who take large quantities of

>> Percocet to get high die of liver failure, instead of having to wait

>> for them to take thelarger quantities necessary to kill them from

>> opiate overdose.
>
> And for killing the people who take the percocet to deal with pain.
> Anyone who takes drugs for pain is clearly a waste of oxygen, right?

Right. You should be taking drugs _against_ pain.

Or to get high. Or stoned. I don't care.

Corrie does; she greatly detests the smell of marijuana in subway
stations and drugs in general to the point that she won't take extra
oxycodone, already prescribed, against temporarily increased pain.

I _do_ care about that; I find it stupid, but I can't convince her.

Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink

[David Scheidt]

Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
:On 2012-10-03, Satya wrote:
:>BOGJ, vf vg whfg zr, be ner gurer evqvphybhfyl uvtu ahzoref bs puvyqera jvgu
:>nfguzn be nyyretvrf va gur HF? Nalbar xabj jul?

:Orfg thrff: vafhssvpvrag vzzhar-flfgrz punyyratr va lbhgu.

Gung'f bar gurbel. Gurer ernyyl vf cerggl tbbq rivqrapr gung
nprgnzvabcura vf fgebayl nffbpvngrq jvgu qrirybcvat nfguzn.
Jul ner jr gnyxvat va ebg?


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[Måns Nilsson]

Den 2012-10-03 skrev Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net>:

> On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 18:00:12 +0000 (UTC), David Scheidt wrote:
>> replaced with the toxin called APAP. Probably not coincidently,
>> childhood asmtha rates started going up steeply at the same time.
>

> BOGJ, vf vg whfg zr, be ner gurer evqvphybhfyl uvtu ahzoref bs puvyqera jvgu
> nfguzn be nyyretvrf va gur HF? Nalbar xabj jul?

Cebonoyl eryngrq gb gur serdhrapl bs prfnevna frpgvba oveguf. Intvany
ovegu fbvyf gur sœghf jvgu n fgnegre xvg bs onpgrevn naq ivehfrf gung
gevt naq obbgfgenc gur vzzhar qrsrapr flfgrz. Pbzovar guvf jvgu nve
pbaqvgvba naq nofrapr sebz pbagebyyrq rkcbfher gb gur bhgqbbef.
Bu, naq n ybg bs nagv-onpgrevny fbnc.

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TARTAR SAUCE like an 8" by 10" GLOSSY ...

[Wojciech Derechowski]

On 2012-10-03, Gary Barnes <g...@adminspotting.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 18:54:16 +0000 (UTC), Måns Nilsson
><mans...@besserwisser.org> wrote:
>:
>: Cebonoyl eryngrq
>
> It may just be because I've started taking Welsh evening classes again, but
> this started off looking more like Welsh than ROT13, until I got to the
> letter 'q'.

"During its long history the Welsh language has naturally undergone changes,
but far from the extent to which English, for example, has changed since the
days of Chaucer. He was a contemporary of Dafydd ap Gwilym, but whereas
Chaucer has to be practically translated into Modern English, Dafydd is
using to all intents the same language as any ptesent-day poet expressing
himself in the same type of poem."[0]

It sounds even scarier than close-harmony singing.

WD
[0] Collins-Spurrel Pocket Welsh Dictionary

[Lionel]

On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 09:14:22 +0000, Roger Burton West wrote:

> On 2012-10-03, Satya wrote:

>>BOGJ, vf vg whfg zr, be ner gurer evqvphybhfyl uvtu ahzoref bs puvyqera
>>jvgu nfguzn be nyyretvrf va gur HF? Nalbar xabj jul?
>

> Orfg thrff: vafhssvpvrag vzzhar-flfgrz punyyratr va lbhgu.

That's my take on it too. Asthma, etc, was much rarer in my childhood,
back when it was considered perfectly normal for toddlers to eat dirt.

[Shmuel Metz]

In <slrnk6ni99...@gort.thesatya.com>, on 10/03/2012

at 05:59 AM, Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> said:

>BOGJ, vf vg whfg zr, be ner gurer evqvphybhfyl uvtu ahzoref bs
>puvyqera jvgu nfguzn be nyyretvrf va gur HF? Nalbar xabj jul?

V'ir frra zhygvcyr thrffrf, vapyhqvat raivebazragny vffhrf. OGJ, jul
vf guvf ebg-rq?

--
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Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
(S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003)

[Mike Looney]

On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:46:17 +0000 (UTC), Gary Barnes <g...@adminspotting.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 18:54:16 +0000 (UTC), M??ns Nilsson

><mans...@besserwisser.org> wrote:
>:
>: Cebonoyl eryngrq
>
> It may just be because I've started taking Welsh evening classes again, but
> this started off looking more like Welsh than ROT13, until I got to the
> letter 'q'.

In my Traveller game, Vargr is just English that's been ROT-3.
Gives about the right effect.


--
Ex quocumque facere poteris te occidit, nihilo comprehenso

[Mike Looney]

On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 14:24:13 +0000 (UTC), Mike Looney <mlo...@megawatts.com> wrote:
>
> In my Traveller game, Vargr is just English that's been ROT-3.
> Gives about the right effect.
>

s/3/13/

[David DeLaney]

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
> at 05:59 AM, Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> said:
>>BOGJ, vf vg whfg zr, be ner gurer evqvphybhfyl uvtu ahzoref bs
>>puvyqera jvgu nfguzn be nyyretvrf va gur HF? Nalbar xabj jul?
>
>V'ir frra zhygvcyr thrffrf, vapyhqvat raivebazragny vffhrf. OGJ, jul
>vf guvf ebg-rq?

Because of grepping verbose loons, I'm guessing.

Dave, not that most of them could followup if they tried with both hands
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[Peter H. Coffin]

On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 10:03:31 -0400, Andrew wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 01:41:46 +0000 (UTC), Hans Klager wrote:
>
>> (Eating half a pill is haard!)
>
> Ever tried to split a caffeine pill using only a pen, without getting ink
> all over it? It's harder than it seems.

Ballpoint ink is pretty harmless. And people look at you oddly if you
demonstrate flagrant disregard for the stuff on pills, food, etc.

--
"The bullets are just his way of saying 'Keep it down, I've got a
hangover.'"
Kiki to Dr. Schlock, as seen in
http://pics.sluggy.com/comics/000108a.gif

[Joe Zeff]

On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:39:29 +0000, Joe Zeff wrote:

> Recently I had a low blood
> sugar incident that left me with a bad back and the only thing that
> worked was Vicodin. Right now, I'm out of it and waiting to see my
> primary Thursday morning.

As it turns out, "bad back" was an understatement. The pain is being
caused by compression fractures, and they're a symptom of osteoporosis.
Right now, I'm back on Vicodin and have a back brace. I've had a bone
density scan and will be seeing an endocrinologist RSN to find out why
I've lost so much calcium at so young an age.[1]

[1]It can't be a lack of it in my diet, as I've always eaten plenty of
dairy products, and I should be getting enough Vitamin D because I've
been on a prescription supplement for the last two years or so.

--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
I take great delight at jeering at overly healthy types and telling
them that they're going to feel really stupid one day, lying in a
bed dying of nothing.

[John F. Eldredge]

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 12:49:58 -0500, Peter H. Coffin wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 10:03:31 -0400, Andrew wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 01:41:46 +0000 (UTC), Hans Klager wrote:
>>
>>> (Eating half a pill is haard!)
>>
>> Ever tried to split a caffeine pill using only a pen, without getting
>> ink all over it? It's harder than it seems.
>
> Ballpoint ink is pretty harmless. And people look at you oddly if you
> demonstrate flagrant disregard for the stuff on pills, food, etc.

As someone who has been taking one of his medications as half-a-pill per
day for several years, I thoroughly endorse the use of the "Safety
Splitter" brand pill-splitter sold by Walgreens. The sharp bits are kept
away from your fingers, there is a V-shaped structure to wedge the pill
into so that the split will go down the center-line, and the pill is
surrounded by a box when it is split, ensuring that you won't have one or
both halves fly across the room. (Yes, this is UI, but it isn't system-
administration-related UI).

--
John F. Eldredge -- jo...@jfeldredge.com
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly
is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria

[David Scheidt]

John F. Eldredge <jo...@jfeldredge.com> wrote:

:On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 12:49:58 -0500, Peter H. Coffin wrote:

:> On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 10:03:31 -0400, Andrew wrote:
:>> On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 01:41:46 +0000 (UTC), Hans Klager wrote:
:>>
:>>> (Eating half a pill is haard!)
:>>
:>> Ever tried to split a caffeine pill using only a pen, without getting
:>> ink all over it? It's harder than it seems.
:>
:> Ballpoint ink is pretty harmless. And people look at you oddly if you
:> demonstrate flagrant disregard for the stuff on pills, food, etc.

:As someone who has been taking one of his medications as half-a-pill per
:day for several years, I thoroughly endorse the use of the "Safety
:Splitter" brand pill-splitter sold by Walgreens. The sharp bits are kept
:away from your fingers, there is a V-shaped structure to wedge the pill
:into so that the split will go down the center-line, and the pill is
:surrounded by a box when it is split, ensuring that you won't have one or
:both halves fly across the room. (Yes, this is UI, but it isn't system-
:administration-related UI).

Hmm, feeding lusers half a cyanide tablet might save some money for
recovery.

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[Wojciech Derechowski]

On 2012-10-06, John F. Eldredge <jo...@jfeldredge.com> wrote:
> As someone who has been taking one of his medications as half-a-pill per
> day for several years, I thoroughly endorse the use of the "Safety
> Splitter" brand pill-splitter sold by Walgreens. The sharp bits are kept
> away from your fingers, there is a V-shaped structure to wedge the pill
> into so that the split will go down the center-line, and the pill is
> surrounded by a box when it is split, ensuring that you won't have one or
> both halves fly across the room. (Yes, this is UI, but it isn't system-
> administration-related UI).

And it rather goes along with the current idea of modernizing Sherlock
Holmes stories as in Sherlock or Elementary or in this adaptation
of "A Study in Scarlet":

"I will now cut one of these pills in two" said Holmes, and drawing
his Walgreens Safety Splitter he suited the action to the word...

Incidentally, there is also some room for improvement in the science
of deduction: "I ought to know by this time that when a fact appears
to be opposed to a long train of deductions, it invariably proves to
be capable of bearing some other interpretation", or the dreaded:
"How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the
impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?"

WD

[Joe Thompson]

On 2012-10-06, Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:

> On 2012-10-06, Wojciech Derechowski wrote:
>>Incidentally, there is also some room for improvement in the science
>>of deduction:
>

> "This suspect cannot _possibly_ be the murderer; we're only fifteen
> minutes into a forty-two minute episode."
>
> (This also works on _House_.)

I always like shows where they play with this trope by showing you an
obvious suspect, building it up, then showing a "gotcha" that proves he
couldn't possibly be the one. Switch to another, build that one up, and
then it turns out the original theory was correct all along and the
"gotcha" was wrong or misleading in some way that's obvious in
hindsight. -- Joe
--
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E-mail addresses in headers are valid. | http://www.orion-com.com/
"There is no way my emacs is ever getting a credit card!" -- Matthew Vernon

[Cipher]

On 10/5/2012 9:54 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote:
> As someone who has been taking one of his medications as half-a-pill per
> day for several years, I thoroughly endorse the use of the "Safety
> Splitter" brand pill-splitter sold by Walgreens.

<AOL>

I highly recommend this product and/or service. It' just plain works as
advertised.

--
The word "urgent" is the moral of the story "The boy who cried wolf". As
a general rule I don't believe it until a manager comes to me almost in
tears. I like to catch them in a cup and drink them later.
-- Matt Holiab, in the Monastery

[TimC]

On 2012-10-06, Roger Burton West (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

> On 2012-10-06, Wojciech Derechowski wrote:

>>Incidentally, there is also some room for improvement in the science
>>of deduction:
>

> "This suspect cannot _possibly_ be the murderer; we're only fifteen
> minutes into a forty-two minute episode."
>
> (This also works on _House_.)

"I would have the road sense to know not to overtake that dickhead,
because he's about to do something stupid because he's on a helmetcam
video on Boobtube".

--
TimC
If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out. --unknown