It's too dangerous to use on a daily basis, then
David P. Murphy
I've worked at with the most clue. I suppose I could have appended
a disclaimer that I was saying more about the other orkplaces than
I was about the current one, but the ghods decided to smite me anyway.
16:15. Thursday afternoon. Chugging along in my own little world.
About twenty windows open for various reasons as I simultaneously
worked on three different problems and was running a test on a remote
system . . . when a box pops up.
APPLYING CRITICAL MICROSOFT SECURITY PATCH.
THIS SYSTEM WILL REBOOT IN _5_ minutes and _0_ seconds.
Can't minimize it. Can't close it. Can't resize it. Always on top.
Five goddamned minutes to interrupt my testing, save all my work,
drop all my open email, and all with this fucking high dialog box
on top of everything I'm trying to click on. Even moved over to one
side or another, it's still annoying.
There was much cursing at high volume, for which I have already paid
with a Meeting. I explained that I will apologize for my admittedly
unprofessional behavior immediately after I get an apology from whoever
in Hopkinton decided that a forced reboot during the day which cannot
be postponed is a Bloody Good Idea.
My point is that if Windows is so amazingly dangerous that this patch
just *has* to be applied right away, can't even wait two hours for me
to finish for the day, then we sure as hell shouldn't be using it.
My point, needless to say, was met with uncomprehending sheep-like gazes.
Fuck it.
ok
dpm
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Jurjen Oskam
> Right. Derick was frightened of my assessment of EMC as the place
> I've worked at with the most clue.
I must say I'm quite happy with the EMC stuff we've got at my place
of Ork. I really am. The hardware scores extraordinary low on our
Suck-O-Meter, the software seems to be working as documented
and generally works OK. Generally, I'm impressed.
There's one thing however. Two words and a version number. Control
Center 5.1. I'm trying my best to generate a SEP-field around the
machine that's running that piece of sh^Hoftware. "Bloated" doesn't
even BEGIN to describe it. To call it "slow" would be a compliment.
It likes to switch WWNs on you sometimes, for no apparent reason.
If it feels like it, it might even switch them back for you. Or not.
Fortunately, I prefer CLI tools anyway.
I got the chance to visit the EMC facility in Cork, Ireland. That was
quite cool. Lots and lots of nice toys, and some nice LARTs as well
(ovens, pressure chambers, that sort of thing).
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James Campbell Andrew
> There's one thing however. Two words and a version number. Control
> Center 5.1. I'm trying my best to generate a SEP-field around the
> machine that's running that piece of sh^Hoftware.
Don't forget to paint it bright pink[0] or they'll just think you've
gone a bit odd.
Jim
[0] or some other similarly unlikely colour
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Alun Jones [MS MVP]
wrote:
>My point is that if Windows is so amazingly dangerous that this patch
>just *has* to be applied right away, can't even wait two hours for me
>to finish for the day, then we sure as hell shouldn't be using it.
>My point, needless to say, was met with uncomprehending sheep-like gazes.
I don't think that, in this case, it is Windows that is the most dangerous
thing in your organisation. It is whatever idiot decided to force you to
shut your work down.
There are three things about patching (or updating, installing, etc) that
seriously upset me. The first is when a patch tells me that it won't be
completed until I shutdown and reboot - but I can understand this in the
case that the component being patched is something that's being used by
everything and his wife.
The second is when a patch tells me I have to shutdown and reboot, but
doesn't give me the "cancel" option. There's an "OK" button only, and it
stares at me, daring me to click it accidentally. I shove it to the side,
but I know that at some point, some confused application (usually Outlook)
is going to decide that the window I really want to be typing in now is that
one. And it'll bring in the focus just as I hit the space bar or return
key.
The third, of course, is when a patch doesn't tell me, my windows start
closing, and I get to watch my work go down the drain.
It's been a while since I've had a patch encounter of the third kind, mainly
because I've religiously binned every application that ever did that to me.
I'm working my way through the second lot now, and I think I've got most of
them taken off and put on my "don't ever buy from this bunch of bozos again"
list.
Alun.
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Dan Birchall
> This is why my laptop dual-boots. I only use Winders when I have to.
> Unfortunately, TPTB have decided that it's a really good idea to make
> internal websites require some sort of authentication that apparently
> only works when you're logged into the win2k domain and using MSIE. Both
> conditions must be met, and often I meet neither condition.
To say "VMware" would be UI, so I won't.
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Joe Zeff
Murphy) wrote:
>after I get an apology from whoever
>in Hopkinton decided that a forced reboot during the day which cannot
>be postponed is a Bloody Good Idea.
That is, never. Not only is it damned unlikely you'll ever find out
what luser came up with the idea, even if you do, whoever it was won't
see anything to apologize for. After all, it's Micro$lop, and if it
says it has to be patched, it has to be patched RIGHT NOW and rebooted
As Soon As Possible if not sooner.
ObRant: Last week, a friend of mine was complaining that Winderz is
now using WinZip to search all zip files during any search, making
them take much longer. He was told by another friend, who worships
Bill Gates, that this is because soon *everybody* will have so much
stuff in zip files that they'll always want this. Although both my
(first) friend and I have more experience than this Gates fanatic, we
couldn't get him to admit that it might be The Right Thing to allow us
to turn this off. After all, if Micro$lop does it, it Must Be Right.
--
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The Guy With the Sideburns
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Windows!"
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Ralph Wade Phillips
"Derick Siddoway" <der...@bitflood.net> wrote in message
news:slrnbm4dms...@panther.bitflood.net...
> It is said by some that Dan Birchall once wrote:
> > To say "VMware" would be UI, so I won't.
>
> (For one thing, I'd rather have my freenix of choice be the host,
> not the guest. But if I do that, then I have to reinstall w2k
> and get that computer joined to the domain. Fat chance of that.)
Heh. Can I just say "image"?
RwP
Chris Adams
wrote:
> 16:15. Thursday afternoon. Chugging along in my own little world.
> About twenty windows open for various reasons as I simultaneously
> worked on three different problems and was running a test on a remote
> system . . . when a box pops up.
>
> APPLYING CRITICAL MICROSOFT SECURITY PATCH.
> THIS SYSTEM WILL REBOOT IN _5_ minutes and _0_ seconds.
>
> Can't minimize it. Can't close it. Can't resize it. Always on top.
The best part about this is that that happens when you set the option not to
reboot when someone's logged on - otherwise it just immediately reboots. One of
your admins probably saw the name of the setting and either didn't check or
care that the documentation is wrong for anyone who doesn't have admin access
on the box. (Explaining why an admin would need help restarting the machine is
left as an exercise for the reader.)
It will come as no surprise to learn that they intend to require a full major
release to correct this.
Chris
J.D. Baldwin
In the previous article, David P. Murphy <d...@myths.com> wrote:
> APPLYING CRITICAL MICROSOFT SECURITY PATCH.
> THIS SYSTEM WILL REBOOT IN _5_ minutes and _0_ seconds.
>
> Can't minimize it. Can't close it. Can't resize it. Always on top.
Last time someone pulled that crap on me, Gnfx Znantre did the trick
nicely. But then they've probably "solved" that since.
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Earl Grey
> There's a reason we hate Redmondware, we hates it we does.
Amen.
> Turns out that the 500 or so NT swervers did not have any AV software
> on, not a one.
Of course not.
The day Sobig.F hit, I had a filter up and running in a few minutes after
waking up and hearing about it. Try THAT with Redmondware. How did I do
it? Well, it helps when you can trivially (yeah, I know) write your own
global filters.
Fucking Micro$loth....
> I always thought Security departments where in charge of security.
They *ARE*.
In the same way that the Ministry of Peace is in charge of ... nevermind.
> Management won't authorize the necessary overtime or software required
> to apply patches automagically[3].
" Think of this as an opportunity, not a burden.
" Respect the chain of command....
Job Security.
Oh.
So THAT'S what the Security Department is for.
Alun Jones [MS MVP]
>On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Dave Barlow wrote:
>> I always thought Security departments where in charge of security.
>
>They *ARE*.
>In the same way that the Ministry of Peace is in charge of ...
.. taking the peace.
David P. Murphy
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:03:52 +0000 (UTC), David P. Murphy <d...@myths.com>
> wrote:
>> APPLYING CRITICAL MICROSOFT SECURITY PATCH.
>> THIS SYSTEM WILL REBOOT IN _5_ minutes and _0_ seconds.
>>
>> Can't minimize it. Can't close it. Can't resize it. Always on top.
> The best part about this is that that happens when you set the option not to
> reboot when someone's logged on - otherwise it just immediately reboots.
Excuse me, I don't think you're paying attention.
The "best" part is that there's quite likely no valid reason to reboot.
God-damned fucked-up pitiful pathetic excuse of an operating system . . .
Not that I'm bitter. Nope, not me. Vengeful, yes; bitter, no.
David P. Murphy
> In the previous article, David P. Murphy <d...@myths.com> wrote:
>> APPLYING CRITICAL MICROSOFT SECURITY PATCH.
>> THIS SYSTEM WILL REBOOT IN _5_ minutes and _0_ seconds.
>>
>> Can't minimize it. Can't close it. Can't resize it. Always on top.
> Last time someone pulled that crap on me, Gnfx Znantre did the trick
> nicely. But then they've probably "solved" that since.
Indeed they have. I tried my best, but it wasn't good enough.
David P. Murphy
> Earlier this year we got hit by Slammer, they hadn't patched SQL
> server. Then we got hit by MSblast, they hadn't patched anything. Then
> Sobig. I always thought Security departments where in charge of
> security. We've warned them repeatedly we have to keep patches up to
> date and watch relevant web sites. But no, they are security and are
> doing more important stuff.
I'll bet you a zillion dollars that no one has physically broken into
the server rooms, so obviously Security is doing a good job.
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 04:03 PM, d...@myths.com (David P. Murphy) said:
>Right. Derick was frightened of my assessment of EMC as the place
>I've worked at with the most clue. I suppose I could have appended a
>disclaimer that I was saying more about the other orkplaces than I
>was about the current one, but the ghods decided to smite me
>anyway.
Even so, it beats my current state of recovery. I'd risk it if EMC
were hiring, but last I heard you were laying people off in dinosaur
land.
>My point is that if Windows is so amazingly dangerous that this
>patch just *has* to be applied right away, can't even wait two hours
>for me to finish for the day, then we sure as hell shouldn't be
>using it.
Have you asked for permission to not use it?
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Mike Andrews
> Chris Adams <ch...@improbable.org> wrote:
> > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:03:52 +0000 (UTC), David P. Murphy <d...@myths.com>
> > wrote:
> >> APPLYING CRITICAL MICROSOFT SECURITY PATCH.
> >> THIS SYSTEM WILL REBOOT IN _5_ minutes and _0_ seconds.
> >>
> >> Can't minimize it. Can't close it. Can't resize it. Always on top.
> > The best part about this is that that happens when you set the option not to
> > reboot when someone's logged on - otherwise it just immediately reboots.
> Excuse me, I don't think you're paying attention.
> The "best" part is that there's quite likely no valid reason to reboot.
> God-damned fucked-up pitiful pathetic excuse of an operating system . . .
> Not that I'm bitter. Nope, not me. Vengeful, yes; bitter, no.
" Microsoft Windows has detected mouse movement.
The Operating System must reboot to accommodate this change."
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Maarten Wiltink
<snip UI>
>Let us know how you go.
You. Let us know how _you_ go. Away.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13]
> It is said by some that David P. Murphy once wrote:
>
> [...] Then there's
> also time tracking, which is apparently a front end to Access built with
> Visual Basic.
By any chance called Vaivfvp? </twitch>
Ino!~
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like tears in rain. Time to die.
James Andrewartha
> Chris Adams <ch...@improbable.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:03:52 +0000 (UTC), David P. Murphy <d...@myths.com>
>> wrote:
>>> APPLYING CRITICAL MICROSOFT SECURITY PATCH.
>>> THIS SYSTEM WILL REBOOT IN _5_ minutes and _0_ seconds.
>>>
>>> Can't minimize it. Can't close it. Can't resize it. Always on top.
[UI deleted]
Apparently this method was quite useful to stop MSBlaster shutdowns. Not that I
had the opportunity to test this.
>> The best part about this is that that happens when you set the option not to
>> reboot when someone's logged on - otherwise it just immediately reboots.
> Excuse me, I don't think you're paying attention.
> The "best" part is that there's quite likely no valid reason to reboot.
> God-damned fucked-up pitiful pathetic excuse of an operating system . . .
> Not that I'm bitter. Nope, not me. Vengeful, yes; bitter, no.
Well, I don't know about becoming bitter, but I did lose SAN while reading
http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/cbrumme/commentview.aspx/dac5ba4a-f0c8-42bb-a5cf-097efb25d1a9
which has made me swear off Win32 programming for life (not that I was
planning on doing any anyway). It did give a certain basis for the complaints
of "DLL Hell" that I've heard about.
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Rik Steenwinkel
<yelm....@sartar.fsnet.co.uk> persuaded newsservers all over the
world to carry the following:
} security are putting in place plans to start patching everyone.
A good plan indeed. Usually it's the wetware that needs to be patched
first. Or rather, needs a different OS installed altogether.
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Rik Steenwinkel
Baldwin) persuaded newsservers all over the world to carry the
following:
} Last time someone pulled that crap on me, Gnfx Znantre did the trick
} nicely. But then they've probably "solved" that since.
One day, I encountered an NT machine that was timed to shutdown in a
couple of minutes, but actually shouldn't. Some command-line thingie
from a m$ 'resource' CD. So, given that I didn't find an option to abort
the shutdown in progress, I killed the task.
Could have pressed the reset button just as well. Same outcome.
LooseChanj
<d...@myths.com> made the sensational claim that:
> APPLYING CRITICAL MICROSOFT SECURITY PATCH.
> THIS SYSTEM WILL REBOOT IN _5_ minutes and _0_ seconds.
>
> Can't minimize it. Can't close it. Can't resize it. Always on top.
> Five goddamned minutes to interrupt my testing, save all my work,
> drop all my open email, and all with this fucking high dialog box
> on top of everything I'm trying to click on. Even moved over to one
> side or another, it's still annoying.
This sounds like that eversohelpful anti-MSblaster worm. That you were
troubled with this means two, possibly three things.
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Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13]
> It is said by some that Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13] once wrote:
>> On 2003-09-12, Derick Siddoway <der...@bitflood.net> wrote:
>>> It is said by some that David P. Murphy once wrote:
>>>
>>> [...] Then there's
>>> also time tracking, which is apparently a front end to Access built with
>>> Visual Basic.
>>
>> By any chance called Vaivfvp? </twitch>
>
Ow! ow-ow! Well - thanks ever so much. As if it wasn't bad enough
that we're using it here.
> Ours is internally spawned.
We had a web-based one. Then some mangler made an executive decision
and bought this piece-o-crap-on-a-stick.
Richard Bos
> Earlier this year we got hit by Slammer, they hadn't patched SQL
> server. Then we got hit by MSblast, they hadn't patched anything. Then
> Sobig. I always thought Security departments where in charge of
> security.
Quite - in charge of, but not necessarily in favour of.
> For once they get a clue, security are putting in place plans to start
> patching everyone.
...next week on Friday, if they can get permission of the department
sub-managers.
Richard
David Spencer
<der...@bitflood.net> wrote:
>"Ptthpth."
Fascinating. When you ROT13 a wet fart, it becomes strangulation.
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JoeB
"Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13] " <ino...@nqzvaonfr.arg> to type:
>On 2003-09-12, Derick Siddoway <der...@bitflood.net> wrote:
>> It is said by some that David P. Murphy once wrote:
>>
>> [...] Then there's
>> also time tracking, which is apparently a front end to Access built with
>> Visual Basic.
>
>By any chance called Vaivfvp? </twitch>
Originally parsed as "Vaivatch", which of course made me think
"nova-level gridfire intrusion and a CAM dusting. Cool."
Ahem. Move along, nothing to see here.
JoeB
"Age and treachery will always beat youth and horsepower."
Willem
) One day, I encountered an NT machine that was timed to shutdown in a
) couple of minutes, but actually shouldn't. Some command-line thingie
) from a m$ 'resource' CD. So, given that I didn't find an option to abort
) the shutdown in progress, I killed the task.
)
) Could have pressed the reset button just as well. Same outcome.
I've not worked with $NON_OS much, so I'm wondering if you're allowed to
turn back the system clock as a normal user.
SaSW, Willem (at stack dot nl)
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Mike Andrews
> I'm not entirely sure why my rants about Windows here in the
> monastery always end up with people pointing out how I can "fix"
> my problems. Yes, I know that there are "solutions". I can also
> outline why none of them will work for me in my particular situation.
> But that's not what I came here to read, dammit. I came to read
> well-written rants and to occasionally vent a bit myself. I know
> where to go to ask questions about Winders. ASR is where I rant.
> But maybe this is just an illustration of how slow I am to learn.
I've been tempted multiple times to fix several Winders boxen, but
I can't find time to mix the thermite.
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Bob McCown
"Toni Lassila" <to...@nukespam.org> wrote in message
news:a0abmv0bl879du492...@no.spam...
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:46:54 +0000 (UTC), Derick Siddoway
> <der...@bitflood.net> wrote:
>
> >I'm not entirely sure why my rants about Windows here in the
> >monastery always end up with people pointing out how I can "fix"
> >my problems.
>
> problems in any crowded place. With enough people around there's a
> probability ~=1 that one of them is an MCSE and will give you the
> wrong answer to your problem.
Hey, that fits quite nicely into a tagline. Snarfed!
-=Bob
Derek
wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:46:54 +0000 (UTC), Derick Siddoway
><der...@bitflood.net> wrote:
>
>>I'm not entirely sure why my rants about Windows here in the
>>monastery always end up with people pointing out how I can "fix"
>>my problems.
>
>Probability. You'd get the same results reciting trivial Windows
>problems in any crowded place. With enough people around there's a
>probability ~=1 that one of them is an MCSE and will give you the
>wrong answer to your problem.
And that wrong answer will be complete with a beautiful CbjreCbvag
presentation on how it will enhance the user experience, increase
user productivity, and improve the overall utilization of your
equipment. It'll just be a shame that somewhere he'll have forgotten
to remove the name of last months's wonder product.
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Electric Eel and chances are he won't bother you for anything ever again"
David P. Murphy
> How would I turn in my time report?
> How would I get documentation off the company website?
> How would I use the company's trouble-ticket website?
>
> Unfortunately, those three things are critical to my job, and the
> company has made it impossible to do those things without Windows.
s/Windows/Windows and IE/
Maarten Wiltink
>On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:46:54 +0000 (UTC), Derick Siddoway
><der...@bitflood.net> wrote:
>
>>I'm not entirely sure why my rants about Windows here in the
>>monastery always end up with people pointing out how I can "fix"
>>my problems.
>
>Probability. You'd get the same results reciting trivial Windows
>problems in any crowded place. With enough people around there's a
>probability ~=1 that one of them is an MCSE and will give you the
>wrong answer to your problem.
That should be true for "any crowded place" _except_ "here in the
monastery". It's not about probability, damnit.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
Niklas Karlsson
> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:01:00 GMT, alien mind control rays forced
> "Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13] " <ino...@nqzvaonfr.arg> to type:
>>
>
> Originally parsed as "Vaivatch", which of course made me think
> "nova-level gridfire intrusion and a CAM dusting. Cool."
ITYM Vavatch. Your idea of time-tracking is most interesting, though.
Niklas
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Are you talking about the cables or the FSE?
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 01:46 AM, Derick Siddoway <der...@bitflood.net> said:
>I'm not entirely sure why my rants about Windows here in the
>monastery always end up with people pointing out how I can "fix" my
>problems.
Because they don't RTFF. I've gotten UI even when I've explicitly
reminded them that I don't want UI here.
Kevin
wrote:
>Derick Siddoway <der...@bitflood.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm not entirely sure why my rants about Windows here in the
>> monastery always end up with people pointing out how I can "fix"
>> my problems. Yes, I know that there are "solutions". I can also
>> outline why none of them will work for me in my particular situation.
>> But that's not what I came here to read, dammit. I came to read
>> well-written rants and to occasionally vent a bit myself. I know
>> where to go to ask questions about Winders. ASR is where I rant.
>> But maybe this is just an illustration of how slow I am to learn.
>I've been tempted multiple times to fix several Winders boxen, but
>I can't find time to mix the thermite.
Too many problems and not enough time to deal with them all properly?
Relax, now there's Larts-R-Us! Here at Larts-R-Us we have /bins and /bins of
tools, objects, materials and chemicals, as well as complete volumes on how
to create, concoct, launch and deploy methods of revenge and retribution.
You'll find thermite (as well as powdered aluminum and iron oxide for the
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nationwide, or if none are conveniently located for you, buy online at
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in 1, 5, and 10 meter rolls).
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JoeB
Karlsson <ank...@yahoo.se> to type:
>In article <0n5bmv00rmgacip5g...@4ax.com>, JoeB wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:01:00 GMT, alien mind control rays forced
>> "Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13] " <ino...@nqzvaonfr.arg> to type:
>>>
>>>By any chance called Vaivfvp? </twitch>
>>
>> Originally parsed as "Vaivatch", which of course made me think
>> "nova-level gridfire intrusion and a CAM dusting. Cool."
>
>ITYM Vavatch.
'Tis entirely possible. For some reason I have a tendency to mentally
insert or remove letters from things like this - it always seems to be
names and suchlike, and after time come to assume my spelling is the
correct one. (I was *convinced* the name of the "Ninjas from Dune" was
the Sardukar.)
ObASR: Leaving in an hour or so for a six-hour drive to a customer
site to make them Feel Loved and doink about with a Squeal
installation. Ho hum. Gets me into th Blue Room for a bit, I
suppose...)
Michael Hudson
> You'll find thermite (as well as powdered aluminum and iron oxide for the
> do-it-yourselfers) in the chemicals aisle of one of our 666 locations
> nationwide, or if none are conveniently located for you, buy online at
> http://www.larts-r-us.com
And, what, what, what does that URL resolve to now?
Fuckers.
Cheers,
mwh
--
it's not that perl programmers are idiots, it's that the language
rewards idiotic behavior in a way that no other language or tool
has ever done -- Erik Naggum, comp.lang.lisp
Richard Bos
> Michael Hudson <m...@python.net> wrote:
> > Kevin <kevin at kevingoebel dot com> writes:
>
> >> http://www.larts-r-us.com
>
> > And, what, what, what does that URL resolve to now?
>
> > Fuckers.
>
> Exactly. It seems that Verisign is redirecting all non-existant domains
> to one of their pages, instead of just not finding it.
Surely this is actually, men-with-thin-watches, very expensively
illegal? If not, it should be. This is as fine an example of abuse of
control as ever I saw on the 'net. In fact, in my not very humble
opinion this action should suffice to put Verisign literally out of
business for good, since they've proven that they simply cannot be
trusted at all, ever.
Richard
Mike Andrews
ICANN is considering whether to decide to contemplate thinking about
issuing something that may or may not actually turn out, when
evaluated in a proper light, to be a statement on the issue -- if,
in their minds[1], it turns out to be an issue.
The VeriSlime action *CERTAINLY* goes against the wishes of the IAB,
as expressed in a letter of January 2003. It also violates certain
RFCs, apparently.
I confidently expect a class action suit, and I expect ICANN to do
fsck-all.
[1] Yes, Quirk Objection, I know, I know.
--
The Internet is totally out of control, impossible to map accurately, and
being used far beyond its original intentions. So far, so good.
-- Dr. Dobb's Journal May 1993
Magnus Henoch
>> Exactly. It seems that Verisign is redirecting all non-existant domains
>> to one of their pages, instead of just not finding it.
>
> Surely this is actually, men-with-thin-watches, very expensively
> illegal? If not, it should be. This is as fine an example of abuse of
> control as ever I saw on the 'net. In fact, in my not very humble
> opinion this action should suffice to put Verisign literally out of
> business for good, since they've proven that they simply cannot be
> trusted at all, ever.
FYI, there is a petition against this at
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/icanndns/petition.html
Magnus
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 07:40 AM, r...@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) said:
>Surely this is actually, men-with-thin-watches, very expensively
>illegal?
Surely they don't care. They've been playing fast and loose with the
law for a long time. It didn't start with the verislime takeover.
>since they've proven that they simply cannot be
>trusted at all, ever.
Google is your friend. If there was a time when NSI/NetSol could be
safely trusted, I can't remember it.
Kenneth Brody
[...]
> The VeriSlime action *CERTAINLY* goes against the wishes of the IAB,
> as expressed in a letter of January 2003. It also violates certain
> RFCs, apparently.
See <http://www.verisign.com/resources/gd/sitefinder/implementation.pdf>
for their slant on things.
One of my favorites (manually retyped, as their PDF forbids content
copying or extraction):
2.3.1 HTTP
A user reaches the Site Finder web page after he or she enters a
URL containing a nonexistent com or net domain name.
[...]
The text of the Site Finter web page makes it clear to a user that
he or she did not reach the intended web page, but instead reached
the Site Finder page a a result of special processing.[5]
[...]
[5] This approach is consisten with Guideline G1.7, which states
[...]
The question, of course, is "_what_ Guideline G1.7"? To the best of
my knowledge, it comes from "Domain Name System Wildcards in Top-Level
Domain Zones", which is a whitepaper written by (surprise, surprise)
Verisign itself, and dated 9-September-2003.
<http://www.verisign.com/resources/gd/sitefinder/bestpractices.pdf>
So what they're basically saying is "we're doing this because the
guidelines say we should", while forgetting to say "by the way, we
just wrote those guidelines ourselves".
On the other hand, since Verisign will generate a redirect page
to "sitefinder.verisign.com", I've heard that some ISPs have taken
to adding their own DNS for that, to thwart Verisign's attempt to
usurp the .com/.net market.
See <http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg13603.html> for
a discussion thread on this topic.
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Rex Tincher
<snip>
>With enough people around there's a
>probability ~=1 that one of them is an MCSE and will give you the
>wrong answer to your problem.
Thereby proving that the BOFH set and the MCSE set are not disjoint?
--
"It's incredibly positive for the Internet."
AOL president Raymond Oglethorpe, commenting
on the anthrax attacks via mail.
Newsweek magazine, 5 November 2001, page 25.
Rex Tincher
>Kevin <kevin at kevingoebel dot com> writes:
>
>> You'll find thermite (as well as powdered aluminum and iron oxide for the
>> do-it-yourselfers) in the chemicals aisle of one of our 666 locations
>> nationwide, or if none are conveniently located for you, buy online at
>> http://www.larts-r-us.com
>
>And, what, what, what does that URL resolve to now?
A company that wishes to receive all of the spam sent to addresses harvested
from WebPoison pages?
>Fuckers.
In this case the action is self-larting.
--
"You can't tell the kids to stop the violence with the mothers running
around like this."
--- Mary Ann Smith, after her son was shot by a Million Mom Marcher
http://www.tincher.to/mmm.htm
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 03:36 PM, Magnus Henoch <ma...@freemail.hu> said:
>FYI, there is a petition against this at
>http://www.PetitionOnline.com/icanndns/petition.html
BTDTGTTS. What's the number up to now? And will ICANN pay any
attention to it?
Steve VanDevender
> In <Hb%9b.24792$mU6....@newsb.telia.net>, on 09/17/2003
> at 03:36 PM, Magnus Henoch <ma...@freemail.hu> said:
>
> >FYI, there is a petition against this at
> >http://www.PetitionOnline.com/icanndns/petition.html
>
> BTDTGTTS. What's the number up to now? And will ICANN pay any
> attention to it?
I recall that about about a year and a half ago someone showed me a
petition on petitiononline.com asking the producers of "The Lord of the
Rings: The Two Towers" to change the name of the movie due to their
feeling it was too reminiscent of an extremely unpleasant incident
involving a pair of former New York buildings which some nicknamed "the
two towers".
Fortunately no one paid any attention to _that_.
ICANN won't pay any attention to this petition, of course, but for
different reasons.
--
Steve VanDevender "I ride the big iron" http://jcomm.uoregon.edu/~stevev
ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu PGP keyprint 4AD7AF61F0B9DE87 522902969C0A7EE8
Little things break, circuitry burns / Time flies while my little world turns
Every day comes, every day goes / 100 years and nobody shows -- Happy Rhodes
Jasper Janssen
Andrewartha) wrote:
>Well, I don't know about becoming bitter, but I did lose SAN while reading
>http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/cbrumme/commentview.aspx/dac5ba4a-f0c8-42bb-a5cf-097efb25d1a9
>which has made me swear off Win32 programming for life (not that I was
>planning on doing any anyway). It did give a certain basis for the complaints
>of "DLL Hell" that I've heard about.
I'm starting to think statically linked programs[1] with configuration
files only in their own directories (ala, say, RISC OS) would be a Capital
idea. In fact, the RISC OS way of handling apps would be a godsent, IMHO.
That's why it will never happen.
Jasper
[1] Or at least ones which look for libraries in their own directory, if
one of the same type *and* version isn't already loaded.
Jasper Janssen
>> Unfortunately, those three things are critical to my job, and the
>> company has made it impossible to do those things without Windows.
>
>s/Windows/Windows and IE/
If you make that distinction, MS Has Already Won its lawsuit. Oh, wait.
Jasper
Richard Bos
Bugger petition. They don't deserve a lot of complaints, a slap on the
wrist and the chance to try again next time, they deserve being removed
from the 'web forever, their properties impounded and their managers
prosecuted for fraud, high treason or whatever else can be made to
stick. This isn't a joke and a minor nuisance; this is serious enough to
apply serious, real-world measures.
Richard
Mike Andrews
> I recall that about about a year and a half ago someone showed me a
> petition on petitiononline.com asking the producers of "The Lord of the
> Rings: The Two Towers" to change the name of the movie due to their
> feeling it was too reminiscent of an extremely unpleasant incident
> involving a pair of former New York buildings which some nicknamed "the
> two towers".
> Fortunately no one paid any attention to _that_.
> ICANN won't pay any attention to this petition, of course, but for
> different reasons.
About one hundred million of them per year, according to one estimate.
--
I just overheard someone referring to Solaris 2.6 as a "virgin
operating system". With a straight face, no less. In one sense, I can
see it. The one whereby it knows what it wants to do, it's just not
entirely sure how... -- Carl Jacobs
Arvid Grøtting
> Enough with the math already - I'm all set.
Oh, get real.
--
A reply comes back, from a... errm... it
Arvid doesn't sound A and it doesn't sound I.
Must be a human.
Dima, in a.s.n-n r
Eric Schwartz
> Toni Lassila <to...@nukespam.org> writes:
>> Enough with the math already - I'm all set.
>
> Oh, get real.
You two are arguing enough in this group that you might as well give
each other a ring, and be done with it.
-=Eric
--
Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million
typewriters, and Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare.
-- Blair Houghton.
Kenneth Brody
[...]
> I recall that about about a year and a half ago someone showed me a
> petition on petitiononline.com asking the producers of "The Lord of the
> Rings: The Two Towers" to change the name of the movie due to their
> feeling it was too reminiscent of an extremely unpleasant incident
> involving a pair of former New York buildings which some nicknamed "the
> two towers".
I don't think anyone from New York would call them "the two towers".
They were always known as "the twin towers".
ObSixDegrees: My son's speech therapist's husband's co-worker was
killed in the WTC.
Paul Tomblin
>ObSixDegrees: My son's speech therapist's husband's co-worker was
>killed in the WTC.
So was the cow orker I had a teleconference scheduled with as soon as she
got back from her presentation at a users group meeting at One WTC, 102nd
floor. Two cow orkers (I didn't know the other guy), and about 10-15% of
our users were killed in the WTC.
--
Paul Tomblin <ptom...@xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
You cannot run Windows innocently. Guilt of aiding & abetting, at
the very least, is automatic.
-- David P. Murphy
Chris Suslowicz
ti...@dnaco.net (Rex Tincher) wrote:
> In article <a0abmv0bl879du492...@no.spam>, Toni Lassila
> <to...@nukespam.org> wrote:
> <snip>
> >With enough people around there's a
> >probability ~=1 that one of them is an MCSE and will give you the
> >wrong answer to your problem.
>
> Thereby proving that the BOFH set and the MCSE set are not disjoint?
Of course not, you're forgetting:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
Chris.
--
"I'll be Bach." - Johann Sebastian Schwarzenegger
Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13]
> In article <l87k462...@gorgon.netfonds.no>, Arvid Grųtting wrote:
>> Toni Lassila <to...@nukespam.org> writes:
>>
>>> Enough with the math already - I'm all set.
>>
>> Oh, get real.
>>
>
>
That's it. This discution is getting too complex for me.
Ino!~
--
I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire
off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark
near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time,
like tears in rain. Time to die.
Paul Tomblin
>Paul Tomblin staggered into the Black Sun and said:
>>So was the cow orker I had a teleconference scheduled with ...
>
>Didn't you previously describe her as a w-after-the-space colleague?
Yeah, she pretty un-unclueful.
--
Paul Tomblin <ptom...@xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
After 30 years, it should be pretty bloody obvious to everyone (but apparently
the memo has missed a few people) that all but the very best C programmers are
nothing but a danger to themselves and others. -- Mark Hughes
Mike Looney
> In a previous article, Kenneth Brody <kenb...@spamcop.net> said:
>>ObSixDegrees: My son's speech therapist's husband's co-worker was
>>killed in the WTC.
>
> So was the cow orker I had a teleconference scheduled with as soon as she
> got back from her presentation at a users group meeting at One WTC, 102nd
> floor. Two cow orkers (I didn't know the other guy), and about 10-15% of
> our users were killed in the WTC.
Ork[-3]'s current funding was with a firm in the WTC. I had a call back
scheduled for 2:00 CST, Sept 11, 2001 with their "tech dood".
He didn't make it out.
--
Silliness is the last refuge of the doomed. P. Opus
GAT d-- s:- a43 UL+++$ P++$ L+++$ E- W+++$ N++ K++ w---(++)$ O- M- V-- PS+
PE++ Y PGP t++ 5 X R+++$ tv+ b++++ DI+++ D G+ e+ h--- r+++ y+++(**)$
David Cameron Staples
<ino...@nqzvaonfr.arg> in hoc locus scripsit:
> In article <slrnbmkhv...@celery.columbus.rr.com>, Richard Beals
> wrote:
>> In article <l87k462...@gorgon.netfonds.no>, Arvid Grųtting wrote:
>>> Toni Lassila <to...@nukespam.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> Enough with the math already - I'm all set.
>>>
>>> Oh, get real.
>>>
>>>
>> That seems negative. Or at least irrational.
>>
>>
> That's it. This discution is getting too complex for me.
>
It's already far too transcendental for me.
--
David Cameron Staples | staples AT cs DOT mu DOT oz DOT au
Melbourne University | Computer Science | Technical Services
"Why do firemen wear red suspenders?"
"Firemen wear uniforms. People in the military wear uniforms. The UK has a
military. The UK has a Queen. The Queen is named Elizabeth. Queen Elizabeth is
also the name of a ship. Ships sail on the sea. Seas have fish. Fish have
fins. The Finns fought the Russians. The Russians were called Red. And that's
why firemen wear red suspenders." -- Bill B. in rec.heraldry
Logan Shaw
> In Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:11:57 +0000, "Bogdan Iamandei [ROT13] "
> <ino...@nqzvaonfr.arg> in hoc locus scripsit:
>>That's it. This discution is getting too complex for me.
> It's already far too transcendental for me.
I don't mean to be critical, but doesn't this series of
puns seem a little derivative? OTOH, it all adds up
to a tangent that's taylor-made for the monastery.
- Logan
Dan Birchall
> about 10-15% of our users were killed in the WTC.
Now _that's_ a LART.
--
Perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim. | http://dan.birchalls.net/
Steve VanDevender
> ptom...@xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
> > about 10-15% of our users were killed in the WTC.
>
> Now _that's_ a LART.
Now _that's_ utterly tasteless and tactless.
Andrew Dalgleish
Omega-d. Aleph the other place to get away from the cascades.
Dan Birchall
> Dan Birchall <nob...@localhost.localdomain> writes:
> > ptom...@xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
> > > about 10-15% of our users were killed in the WTC.
> > Now _that's_ a LART.
> Now _that's_ utterly tasteless and tactless.
Guilty as charged. Must've wandered into alt.sysadmin.tasteful-n-tactful
by mistake. My bad, won't happen again.
Ignatios Souvatzis
I think we should start a group for this
-is
Niklas Karlsson
>Dan Birchall <nob...@localhost.localdomain> writes:
>
>> ptom...@xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
>> > about 10-15% of our users were killed in the WTC.
>>
>> Now _that's_ a LART.
>
>Now _that's_ utterly tasteless and tactless.
Eh. It worked for my dark, twisted sense of humour.
I'm not by any means saying anyone killed in the WTC *deserved* it.
Furrfu. I don't think Dan is either. It was a horrible thing, and my
sincere condolences to the families, friends, etc, of the victims.
The point is that the world would just be too nasty and scary if we
couldn't laugh at it every once in a while, and I think that goes double
for events like this particular one.
'sides, in a Usenet newsgroup, for systems administrators, I think being
tasteless and tactless goes with the territory at least twice over...
Niklas
--
IMO, the primary historical significance of Unix is that it marks the time in
computer history where CPUs became so cheap that it was possible to build an
operating system without adult supervision.
-- Russ Holsclaw in a.f.c
Richard Bos
> In article <3f68cfad$0$51871$9a6e...@news.newshosting.com>,
> ti...@dnaco.net (Rex Tincher) wrote:
>
> > Thereby proving that the BOFH set and the MCSE set are not disjoint?
>
> Of course not, you're forgetting:
>
> "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
"Stupidity, when maintained long enough, _is_ a form of malice."
- Richard's corollary to Hanlon's razor.
Richard
Richard Bos
> Dan Birchall <nob...@localhost.localdomain> writes:
>
> > ptom...@xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
> > > about 10-15% of our users were killed in the WTC.
> >
> > Now _that's_ a LART.
>
> Now _that's_ utterly tasteless and tactless.
Indeed. Not one percent as tactless as the USA's reaction to the WTC
bombings, though.
Richard
Satya
I'd say puns are an integral part of this group.
--
Satya.
FeatheredFrog
> In article <slrnbmlqfb...@gort.cjb.net>,
> It'd be a cardinal sin not to pun, in fact.
>
Well, this group has just gotten out of _my_ field...
Joe Zeff
What we need is the set of all puns that do not refer to themselves.
--
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
If you can't play with words, what good are they?
http://www.lasfs.org http://home.earthlink.net/~sidebrnz
Joe Zeff
<kenb...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>ObSixDegrees: My son's speech therapist's husband's co-worker was
>killed in the WTC.
It somehow figures that the infamous Dick Eany[1] was near enough to
the disaster that he had to duck under an awning to avoid debris.
[1]Everything's Eany's fault.[2]
[2]If you don't believe this, just ask him.
--
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
This is going to sound strange in here, but not everyone is a luser.
http://www.lasfs.org http://home.earthlink.net/~sidebrnz
Geoff Lane
> In article <slrnbmlqfb...@gort.cjb.net>,
> Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> wrote:
> It'd be a cardinal sin not to pun, in fact.
Now, now, don't get irrational. This is no place for division.
We can all derive a little pleasure from a good pun.
--
Geoff Lane
An efficient government is a cruel government.
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 08:45 AM, "Richard P. Grant" <rp...@yahoo.co.uk.invalid> said:
>You've all gone soft, ya wussies.
Signing a petition doesn't mean that other actions won't be taken. It
just offers them a last chance to go legit before the orderly starts
administering the HEoE.
ObAlCapone On second thought, maybe the time to deliver the petition
is after the HEoE.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
Take back the Net!
Put a spammer in the slammer in 2003.
Earl Grey
It's just another in an infinite series....
Rick Dickinson
<spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> is alleged to have written:
>ObAlCapone On second thought, maybe the time to deliver the petition
>is after the HEoE.
I thought it was the WBoE that got applied to the FSoI.
Either way works, I guess. It's like Crey.
- Rick "TMTOWTDI" Dickinson
--
"I just purchased a shiny new Leatherman Wave.[...] It's likely
that random objects in the house will spend the next few days
being plied, screwdriven, and scissed. When you have a Leatherman,
everything looks Leathermanipulable." -- Nathan McCoy
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 04:02 AM, Dan Birchall <nob...@localhost.localdomain> said:
>ptom...@xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
>> about 10-15% of our users were killed in the WTC.
>Now _that's_ a LART.
You think you're a wit; you're half right. There is a degree of
tastelessness that takes you into luser territory. You owe an apology
to everyone who lost family and friends in the WTC.
Niklas Karlsson
> In article <3f6d0320$1$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net>,
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
>:
>: You think you're a wit; you're half right. There is a degree of
>: to everyone who lost family and friends in the WTC.
>
>
> In case you hadn't noticed, one of the ways that people cope with
> death and calamity is to make jokes about it. It's normal and
> healthy.
It doesn't often happen that I agree with Dave Brown's sentiments and
disagree with Shmuel's, but this is one such case. Well said, Dave!
David P. Murphy
> It is said by some that Jurjen Oskam once wrote:
>> There's one thing however. Two words and a version number. Control
>> Center 5.1.
> Aaaaaiiiiiiiiggggggggghhhhhhhh!
>> Fortunately, I prefer CLI tools anyway.
> Whew! That's much better.
Sure, Jurjen prefers CLI and Derick prefers CLI, but does either
of them sign the purchase orders?
[double-take]
Whoa, when did I lose my integrity?
> ECC/OE is why I ran screaming from software. (Now I want to run
> screaming from NAS, but that's a different rant.)
ECC is my life, and ESNAPI is the drill bit twirling faster and faster
as it plumbs the very depths of my soul at high speed.
ok
dpm
--
David P. Murphy http://www.myths.com/~dpm/
systems programmer ftp://ftp.myths.com
mailto:d...@myths.com (personal)
COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO mailto:Murphy...@emc.com (work)
David P. Murphy
> at 04:03 PM, d...@myths.com (David P. Murphy) said:
>>Right. Derick was frightened of my assessment of EMC as the place
>>I've worked at with the most clue. I suppose I could have appended a
>>disclaimer that I was saying more about the other orkplaces than I
>>was about the current one, but the ghods decided to smite me
>>anyway.
> Even so, it beats my current state of recovery. I'd risk it if EMC
> were hiring, but last I heard you were laying people off in dinosaur
> land.
Well, we're certainly not hiring. In fact I can't remember the last
person who was actually *hired* instead of being transferred in from
another office.
Peter Corlett
> You think you're a wit; you're half right. There is a degree of
> tastelessness that takes you into luser territory. You owe an apology to
> everyone who lost family and friends in the WTC.
I love the way that people being killed by terrorists is suddenly bad once
it happens in the USA and to US citizens.
There's been loads of murders, injuries and property damage caused by
terrorism in my country for years. The terrorists even enjoy a fair amount
of moral and financial support from the USA. So I think it's a bit rich of
the USA to not expect to get as good as it gives.
Black humour and tasteless jokes are also a recovery mechanism. You want to
sit 24/7 and go on about how the WTC bombings were terrible and we must
consider it constantly, that's up to you. Of course, that's exactly what the
terrorists want you to do, so it sounds as if the terrorists have already
won.
I'll end with a couple more tasteless jokes:
Q: What's the fastest game in the world?
A: Pass-the-parcel in an Irish pub.
A man steps out of his house and is stopped by a masked man with a gun. "Are
you Protestant or are you Catholic?" asked the gunman. He thinks for a
moment and says "Actually, I'm Jewish." The gunman replies "I must be the
luckiest Arab in Belfast tonight."
Steven Hill
> A: Pass-the-parcel in an Irish pub.
>
> A man steps out of his house and is stopped by a masked man with a gun. "Are
> you Protestant or are you Catholic?" asked the gunman. He thinks for a
> moment and says "Actually, I'm Jewish." The gunman replies "I must be the
> luckiest Arab in Belfast tonight."
Which reminds me of the Billy Connolly skit, with him wandering through
Belfast talking about a shop with a sign in the window:
"Bomber Jackets £25"
Nuff said.
--
Steven Hill
I am pink, therefore I am spam
Mike Andrews
> Geoff Lane <zza...@buffy.sighup.org.uk> wrote:
> > Richard P. Grant <rp...@yahoo.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> > > In article <slrnbmlqfb...@gort.cjb.net>,
> > > Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> wrote:
> >
> > >> On 19 Sep 2003 07:19:12 GMT, Ignatios Souvatzis
> > >> <igna...@newton.cs.uni-bonn.de> wrote:
> > >> > I think we should start a group for this
> > >>
> > >> I'd say puns are an integral part of this group.
> >
> > > It'd be a cardinal sin not to pun, in fact.
> >
> > Now, now, don't get irrational. This is no place for division.
> > We can all derive a little pleasure from a good pun.
> All right Geoff. Would you like to sum up?
I hope he will. It's about time for me to commute.
--
`Bother,' said Pooh, `Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock
phasers on the Heffalump; Piglet, meet me in transporter room three.'
--Robert Billing
Robert Sneddon
<ab...@mooli.org.uk> writes
>
>I'll end with a couple more tasteless jokes:
>
>Q: What's the fastest game in the world?
>A: Pass-the-parcel in an Irish pub.
>
>A man steps out of his house and is stopped by a masked man with a gun. "Are
>you Protestant or are you Catholic?" asked the gunman. He thinks for a
>moment and says "Actually, I'm Jewish." The gunman replies "I must be the
>luckiest Arab in Belfast tonight."
"Is you a Protestant Muslim or a Catholic Muslim?"
Q: What's the most dangerous job in the world?
A: Tail-gunner on a Belfast milk-float.
Paddy was sent out to blow up a car and burned his lips on the exhaust.
Etc. Etc.
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David P. Murphy
> It is said by some that David P. Murphy once wrote:
>> ECC is my life, and ESNAPI is the drill bit twirling faster and faster
>> as it plumbs the very depths of my soul at high speed.
> I've been pondering for years why I hate ECC so much. And the answer,
> of course, is bloat. Not only feature creep, but the fact that the
> beast is *designed* to be bloated. "Let's take six packages that work
> just fine and combine them into one monster package." While that may
> appeal to the Clueless Horde that signs the purchase orders, it's a
> very big red flag to me.
> I have seen just enough of ESNAPI to glimpse the tentacles. And I
> plan on keeping it that way.
Take heart, for the new version doesn't use that anymore. Go ahead, cheer.
We just this summer rewrote our host agent code to use WideSky instead.
And in case any of you have heard that EMC is dropping WideSky support,
I've got my fingers wedged firmly in my ears. LA LA LA LA LA LA LA.
Kevin
wrote:
>> > >> > I think we should start a group for this
>> > >> I'd say puns are an integral part of this group.
>> > > It'd be a cardinal sin not to pun, in fact.
>> > Now, now, don't get irrational. This is no place for division.
>> > We can all derive a little pleasure from a good pun.
>> All right Geoff. Would you like to sum up?
>I hope he will. It's about time for me to commute.
I'd like to post to this thread but I don't have anything to add.
Kevin
Kevin
wrote:
>[...]
>> You think you're a wit; you're half right. There is a degree of
>> tastelessness that takes you into luser territory. You owe an apology to
>> everyone who lost family and friends in the WTC.
>I love the way that people being killed by terrorists is suddenly bad once
>it happens in the USA and to US citizens.
>There's been loads of murders, injuries and property damage caused by
>terrorism in my country for years. The terrorists even enjoy a fair amount
>of moral and financial support from the USA. So I think it's a bit rich of
>the USA to not expect to get as good as it gives.
Just speaking for myself as one USA citizen[1].
I've never been amused by acts of terrorism in Ireland or England or
Columbia or the Phillipines, etc. I haven't donated to the IRA, the Shining
Path, the Al Qaeda or the KKK.
Until recently[2], contemporary domestic terrorism was largely unknown[3] in
the US. I would have had to visit Ireland or Great Britain to experience
first-hand the effects of one sect of Christians bombing or shooting another
sect of Christians. I am sorry that some US lusers of Irish descent have
been supporting Irish lusers morally and financially.
As an ordinary citizen of a large, rich, powerful nation, I have little
effect or influence upon the US government. I can write letters or make
phone calls that might have some miniscule influence, and I have one vote in
anything put to a public election. I can't make George Bush pull the US out
of Iraq or legalize drugs to destroy the financial base of the Columbian
cartel.
I don't support the US habit of buying off the heads of state of Arab
countries to get cheap oil. I think most of our politicians are gutless
cowards sucking up to the oil and automotive companies, and/or too stupid to
realize that the oil won't last forever. I do own a car because my local
city politicians have been stupid assholes about public transportation for
at least as long as I have been an adult in the city of janesville.wi.us
I am willing to let anyone worship any God or Diety or tree, as long as they
have no intent to harm me and take an instant "Shut Up" clue from me if they
try to convert me to their faith. If someone insists on converting me by the
sword or trying to donate me to the Saturday night cannibal pot-luck dinner,
I would have no trouble introducing them to my pals Smith&Wesson.
Historically, organized religion and faith has had a large impact upon the
societies of the world. I am judgmental about the various results, but I
base my opinions on the intents, actions and results of the individuals and
groups.
Kevin
[1]I think it is ironic how often I read some citizen or resident of another
country lumping all US citizens into one group and bitterly whining how they
treat people from other countries as one homogenous group.
[2]I was too young to pay attention to the violent protests that occured
during the 1960s.
[3]The Oklahoma City bombing of the Federal building in 1995 was the only
notable exception that comes to my mind while writing this.
Taki Kogoma
to alt.sysadmin.recovery decree...
As if that makes any difference to the monks...
--
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk (Known to some as Taki Kogoma) quirk @ swcp.com
"Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."
Satya
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:31:40 -0500, did kevin at kevingoebel dot com,
> to alt.sysadmin.recovery decree...
>>On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:28:20 +0000 (UTC), mi...@mikea.ath.cx (Mike Andrews)
>>wrote:
>>
>>I'd like to post to this thread but I don't have anything to add.
>
> As if that makes any difference to the monks...
We're running rings around each other now.
--
Satya.
Glenn Fowler
comments that shocked the world:
> As if that makes any difference to the monks...
I Gauss cascades are reflexive in this group.
--
Glenn
Spelling is a demanding task that requies you full attention.
David Cameron Staples
<sp...@glennfowler.yepmail.net> in hoc locus scripsit:
> In article <bkpsl3$a...@boofura.swcp.com>, Taki Kogoma made the following
> comments that shocked the world:
>
>> As if that makes any difference to the monks...
>
> I Gauss cascades are reflexive in this group.
But appreciation of them can be unevenly distributed.
--
David Cameron Staples | staples AT cs DOT mu DOT oz DOT au
Melbourne University | Computer Science | Technical Services
God is a girl, and her name is Eris.
Logan Shaw
> In Wed, 24 Sep 2003 06:18:16 +0000, Glenn Fowler
> <sp...@glennfowler.yepmail.net> in hoc locus scripsit:
>>In article <bkpsl3$a...@boofura.swcp.com>, Taki Kogoma made the following
>>comments that shocked the world:
>>>As if that makes any difference to the monks...
>>I Gauss cascades are reflexive in this group.
> But appreciation of them can be unevenly distributed.
Yeah, some people love them, and others think they are
pure poisson.
- Logan
Niklas Karlsson
>David Cameron Staples wrote:
>
>
>Yeah, some people love them, and others think they are
>pure poisson.
That pun is a bit fishy.
WDOA
Grant) wrote:
>> pure poisson.
>...
>>
>>>>I Gauss cascades are reflexive in this group.
>>
>>> But appreciation of them can be unevenly distributed.
>>
>> Yeah, some people love them, and others think they are
>Your humour is skewed.
This is all far too complex for me!
--
"Never underestimate the power of a dark clown." - Darth Bobo
WDOA
>In article <v2ccb.81224$KW1....@twister.austin.rr.com>, Logan Shaw wrote:
>>David Cameron Staples wrote:
>>
>>> But appreciation of them can be unevenly distributed.
>>
>>Yeah, some people love them, and others think they are
>>pure poisson.
>
>That pun is a bit fishy.
>
>Niklas
All your bouillabaisse belong to us
Arvid Grøtting
>>>Yeah, some people love them, and others think they are
>>>pure poisson.
>>
>>That pun is a bit fishy.
>
> All your bouillabaisse belong to us
I think salmon the puns here are off on a tangent.
--
Truly scary part about all of this? Losing half my job was a whole lot
less destructive to my soul than patching 'doze. Kill me now.
-- Dave Buckles
Logan Shaw
> In article <bkrocn$ifh$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>, Richard P. Grant wrote:
>
>>Arvid Grųtting wrote:
>>
>>>WDOA <stu...@ihug.co.nz> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Yeah, some people love them, and others think they are
>>>>>>pure poisson.
>>>>>That pun is a bit fishy.
>>>>All your bouillabaisse belong to us
>>>I think salmon the puns here are off on a tangent.
>>Argh. Have you no sole?
> No - he prefers to flounder around without one.
Har har har, you are such a cod.
- Logan
Niklas Karlsson
>Logan Shaw wrote:
>>
>> Har har har, you are such a cod.
>>
>
>
Rock on.
Paul Tomblin
>Closer to home, I can vote one way, but a fellow BOFH tells me he's voting
>for the Evil Reptilian Kitten-Eater From Another Planet, and so it goes.
I didn't know Preston Manning was still running.
--
Paul Tomblin <ptom...@xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
The prospect of revenge is sweetened by a hangover.
-- Tanuki
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 06:53 AM, "David Cameron Staples" <sta...@cs.mu.oz.au.SPAM>
said:
>In Wed, 24 Sep 2003 06:18:16 +0000, Glenn Fowler
><sp...@glennfowler.yepmail.net> in hoc locus scripsit:
>> In article <bkpsl3$a...@boofura.swcp.com>, Taki Kogoma made the following
>> comments that shocked the world:
>>
>>> As if that makes any difference to the monks...
>>
>> I Gauss cascades are reflexive in this group.
>But appreciation of them can be unevenly distributed.
There's something fishy[1] about thise casecade.
[1] Yes, I know it's not spelled the same way. I should let that stop
me because?