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[Wojciech Derechowski]

Instead of sticking to my usual kind of stint I've been stupid enough
to agree on helping the client to rebuild in addition their website
which is run by something they call LAMP.

Please somebody tell me why the MP were not so much invented by their
respective originators but sort of widely adopted afterwards, the P in
particular?

What kind of a programmer would possibly want to sit in an evironment
which is both extremely claustrophobic and insanely difficult to harden?
Very young?

Clearly, I've been missing something for quite some time, keeping the
webservers and their databases outside the perimeter in well deserved
disregard.

WD
--
Who is Entscheidungs and what is his problem?

[Peter Corlett]

Roger Bell_West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:

> On 2013-03-31, Wojciech Derechowski wrote:
>> Please somebody tell me why the MP were not so much invented by their
>> respective originators but sort of widely adopted afterwards, the P in
>> particular?

> Depends on which P you're looking at. The acronym is used different ways in
> different places, like the I in RAID.

And sadly the "P" *never* means CbfgterFDY. Perhaps somebody should invent a
language useful for web development that starts with "M".

[c...@nospam.netunix.com]

Roger Bell_West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:

> On 2013-03-31, Peter Corlett wrote:
> >And sadly the "P" *never* means CbfgterFDY. Perhaps somebody should invent a
> >language useful for web development that starts with "M".
>

> Modula-3 not good enough for you, eh? MUMPS it is.

Good idea, those of us old enough to remember look back in admiration
at the comparative [FSVO] lack of suckage in that august language.

--
From the quill of Chris Newport g4jci.

[Peter Corlett]

Roger Bell_West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:

> On 2013-03-31, Peter Corlett wrote:
>> And sadly the "P" *never* means CbfgterFDY. Perhaps somebody should invent a
>> language useful for web development that starts with "M".

> Modula-3 not good enough for you, eh? MUMPS it is.

Sod it, let's just make web designers code in MASM. Since they persist in
making sites that are hard to use, they should be hard to write as well.

[Garrett Wollman]

In article <kj99vc$5o6$1...@mooli.org.uk>,

Peter Corlett <ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:

>And sadly the "P" *never* means CbfgterFDY. Perhaps somebody should invent a
>language useful for web development that starts with "M".

There was a brief, unsuccessful attempt at promoting the counter-brand
"FLPR".

-GAWollman

--
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wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993

[James Coupe]

c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:

>Roger Bell_West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
>> Modula-3 not good enough for you, eh? MUMPS it is.
>
>Good idea, those of us old enough to remember look back in admiration
>at the comparative [FSVO] lack of suckage in that august language.

I had to re-read that three times to un-see the word "sausage".

--
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EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING.
13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

[Shmuel Metz]

In <qM80t7Ci...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk>, on 03/31/2013

at 05:24 PM, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> said:

>c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
>>Roger Bell_West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
>>> Modula-3 not good enough for you, eh? MUMPS it is.
>>
>>Good idea, those of us old enough to remember look back in admiration
>>at the comparative [FSVO] lack of suckage in that august language.

>I had to re-read that three times to un-see the word
>"sausage".

Even in Massachusetts, eating bad sausages doesn't normally give you
MUMPS.

Now you've got me thinking of Dibler.

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[Shmuel Metz]

In <kj9gt4$8pj$1...@mooli.org.uk>, on 03/31/2013

at 02:23 PM, ab...@mooli.org.uk (Peter Corlett) said:

>Sod it, let's just make web designers code in MASM.

An assembler? Let them code in hex until there is a consensus that
they have done adequate penance.

[Shmuel Metz]

In <kj99vc$5o6$1...@mooli.org.uk>, on 03/31/2013

at 12:25 PM, ab...@mooli.org.uk (Peter Corlett) said:

>And sadly the "P" *never* means CbfgterFDY.

The M stands for CbfgterFDY; that's myu story and I'm sticking to it.

[Shmuel Metz]

In <slrnklfgnv...@um5000.mystora.com>, on 03/31/2013

at 05:00 AM, Wojciech Derechowski <wdd...@um5000.mystora.com> said:

>Instead of sticking to my usual kind of stint I've been stupid enough
>to agree on helping the client to rebuild in addition their website
>which is run by something they call LAMP.

Are you soliciting advocacy? The M does not have universal approval.
As for the P, I use it but there are issues, and there are certainly
advocates for other languages, which also have issues. ASS,

[Wojciech Derechowski]

On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 19:32:26 +0000, Shmuel Metz wrote:
> In <slrnklfgnv...@um5000.mystora.com>, on 03/31/2013
> at 05:00 AM, Wojciech Derechowski <wdd...@um5000.mystora.com> said:
>
>>Instead of sticking to my usual kind of stint I've been stupid enough
>>to agree on helping the client to rebuild in addition their website
>>which is run by something they call LAMP.
>
> Are you soliciting advocacy? The M does not have universal approval.
> As for the P, I use it but there are issues, and there are certainly
> advocates for other languages, which also have issues. ASS,
>

Why yes, of course, Shmuel, I am. But what do you mean by ASS? I have trouble
choosing between "(_?_)", "(_E=MC2_) and just the "(_!_)".

[Peter Corlett]

Wojciech Derechowski <wdd...@um5000.mystora.com> wrote:
[...]

> Why yes, of course, Shmuel, I am. But what do you mean by ASS? I have trouble
> choosing between "(_?_)", "(_E=MC2_) and just the "(_!_)".

You may be pleased to discover that (_*_) is fairly idiomatic Scala. (Vg
qrsvarf na nabalzbhf shapgvba gung zhygvcyvrf vgf nethzragf, naq jbhyq
glcvpnyyl or hfrq va pregnva qngn erqhpgvba bcrengvbaf.)

[Peter Corlett]

Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> wrote:
[...]
> Things get LAMR of course.

If that's the "R" I think it is, I don't care much for it, what with it being a
dubious reimplementation of Crey. The only reason anybody bothers to give it
the time of day is to use the me-too web framework (also starting with "R")
written in it that comes complete with an utterly atrocious ORM that clearly
demonstrates that whoever designed it has clearly only ever used basic ZlFDY
features and has no idea what a database is or can do.

"LAMR" also puts me more in mind of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr

[Brian Kantor]

Peter Corlett <ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:
>
>"LAMR" also puts me more in mind of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr
>

That's "Hedley"!

...with apologies to Mel Brooks
- Brian

[Lawns 'R' Us]

On 2013-04-01, Brian Kantor <br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu> wrote:
> Peter Corlett <ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>"LAMR" also puts me more in mind of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr
>>
>
> That's "Hedley"!

What the hell are you worried about? This is 1874. You'll be able to
sue _her_!

[Steve VanDevender]

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:

> Are you soliciting advocacy? The M does not have universal approval.
> As for the P, I use it but there are issues, and there are certainly
> advocates for other languages, which also have issues. ASS,

The P stands for PL/I, of course.

--
For I know what you don't know / And I see things you'll never see /
And I've a different way of living, you know / And I've such a different
frame of mind, and so ... / I'm on my way to the funnyfarm
-- Happy Rhodes, "To the Funnyfarm"

[Shmuel Metz]

In <slrnklhvdj...@um5000.mystora.com>, on 04/01/2013

at 03:23 AM, Wojciech Derechowski <wdd...@um5000.mystora.com> said:

>Why yes, of course, Shmuel, I am. But what do you mean by ASS?

Well, I meant All Software Sucks, but "software" is not the only
appropriate word beginning with an S.

>I have trouble choosing between "(_?_)", "(_E=MC2_) and just the
>"(_!_)".

You said a mouthfull.

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A dirty mind is a joy forever.

[Shmuel Metz]

In <d4eo2a-...@rubberchicken.nocrap>, on 04/01/2013
at 03:19 PM, Michel <ab...@rubberchicken.nl> said:

>The M is just short for "ZL pubvpr bs FDY qngnonfr", right?

That's more reasonable than the traditional alternative.

[Shmuel Metz]

In <kjd0lp$p5l$1...@thames.novusordo.net>, on 04/01/2013
at 03:11 PM, Steve VanDevender <ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu>
said:

>Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid>
>writes:

>> Are you soliciting advocacy? The M does not have universal approval.
>> As for the P, I use it but there are issues, and there are certainly
>> advocates for other languages, which also have issues. ASS,

>The P stands for PL/I, of course.

I can live with that.

[Måns Nilsson]

Den 2013-04-01 skrev Peter Corlett <ab...@mooli.org.uk>:

<snip>

> demonstrates that whoever designed it has clearly only ever used basic ZlFDY
> features and has no idea what a database is or can do.

I use to say that webapp people use databases like ordinary people use
Rkpry, like a cross-section pad. If anything more complicated than storing
and retrieving values needs to be done, they go on about concentrating
business logic or whatnot, proceeding to cover up their deficiencies in
FDY by "writing" even more abysmally insecure POS crap "code".

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