Stop doing that

[J.D. Baldwin]

Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.

Thank you.
--
_+_ From the catapult of |If anyone objects to any statement I make, I am
_|70|___:)=}- J.D. Baldwin |quite prepared not only to retract it, but also
\ / bal...@panix.com|to deny under oath that I ever made it.-T. Lehrer
***~~~~----------------------------------------------------------------------

[Cipher]

On 11/15/2011 12:48 PM, J.D. Baldwin wrote:
>
>
> Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.
>
> Thank you.

I was unaware M*cr*s*ft made a product actually called
"FuckingPieceOfShit".

--
The word "urgent" is the moral of the story "The boy who cried wolf". As
a general rule I don't believe it until a manager comes to me almost in
tears. I like to catch them in a cup and drink them later.
-- Matt Holiab, in the Monastery

[Lionel]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:48:35 +0000, J.D. Baldwin wrote:

> Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.

Ouch.

--
W
. | , w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^---^---------------------------------------------------------------

[David Gersic]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:48:35 +0000 (UTC), J.D. Baldwin <INVALID...@example.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.
>
> Thank you.

Never have, and I can't think of any reason why I would, which makes
me wonder exactly what bad idea you ran in to to spark this warning.

[Peter H. Coffin]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:48:35 +0000 (UTC), J.D. Baldwin wrote:
>
>
> Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.

Especially those that the box does not serve.

--
47. If I learn that a callow youth has begun a quest to destroy me, I
will slay him while he is still a callow youth instead of waiting
for him to mature.
--Peter Anspach's list of things to do as an Evil Overlord

[Willem]

David Gersic wrote:
) On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:48:35 +0000 (UTC), J.D. Baldwin <INVALID...@example.com.invalid> wrote:
)> Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.
)>
)> Thank you.
)
) Never have, and I can't think of any reason why I would, which makes
) me wonder exactly what bad idea you ran in to to spark this warning.

Perhaps you should ask Abbott & Costello.


SaSW, Willem
--
Disclaimer: I am in no way responsible for any of the statements
made in the above text. For all I know I might be
drugged or something..
No I'm not paranoid. You all think I'm paranoid, don't you !
#EOT

[Joe Zeff]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:27:20 +0000, Willem wrote:

> Perhaps you should ask Abbott & Costello.

Third base!

--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
But is it really useful for the city council to survive while the rest of
the population is a glowing cloud drifting away in the 500MPH breeze?

[Seebs]

On 2011-11-15, Peter H. Coffin <hel...@ninehells.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:48:35 +0000 (UTC), J.D. Baldwin wrote:
>> Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.

> Especially those that the box does not serve.

The more I think about it, though, the more I want to get access to a
large network and impose a policy that all servers shall be named after
MMOs.

"Why is everyone running around in a tizzy?"
"Warcraft is down."

I have often concluded that if only I had a trillion or so dollars to waste
on elaborate pranks*, the world would be a much more surreal place.

-s
[*] I used to refer to them as practical jokes, but I finally conceded
that "the world's worst amusement park", while hilarious, would not be
reasonably deemed "practical".
--
Copyright 2011, all wrongs reversed. Peter Seebach / usenet...@seebs.net
http://www.seebs.net/log/ <-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!
I am not speaking for my employer, although they do rent some of my opinions.

[mlooney]

J.D. Baldwin <INVALID...@example.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.
>

What about mail?

Aside from that my hosts names are bigbird, kermit, bert, www
mail2,ns1, ns2, test and smtp.

I theory kermit could be a problem, but does it even work
over TCP/IP?
--
I take one drug to protect myself from myself
The other 3 drugs are to protect you from me.
Please keep this in mind if and when I say I'm off my meds.

[Cipher]

On 11/15/2011 1:31 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:27:20 +0000, Willem wrote:
>
>> Perhaps you should ask Abbott& Costello.
>
> Third base!
>

whois onfirst?

[Lionel]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:31:24 +0000, Joe Zeff wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:27:20 +0000, Willem wrote:
>
>> Perhaps you should ask Abbott & Costello.
>
> Third base!

Whois on third?

[John Clear]

In article <j9u8lj$e9s$1...@reader1.panix.com>,

J.D. Baldwin <ne...@baldwin.users.panix.com> wrote:
>
>
>Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.
>
>Thank you.

At $WORK[-3], a PFY was setting up a host in the broadcast lab, so
of course he chose 'broadcast' as a hostname...

John
--
John Clear - j...@panix.com http://www.clear-prop.org/

[Shmuel Metz]

In <j9ucv1$b7j$1...@xen1.xcski.com>, on 11/15/2011

at 07:01 PM, mlooney <mlo...@bigbird.megawatts.com> said:

>I theory kermit could be a problem, but does it even work over
>TCP/IP?

I'm not sure about kermit, but zmodem does. If this be UI, bog save
your sole.

Gur svfu vf fgvyy serfu, ohg lbhe fbhy vf n ybfg pnhfr.

--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <http://patriot.net/~shmuel> ISO position
Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
(S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003)

[T. M. Pederson]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:11:20 +0000, Seebs wrote:

> "Why is everyone running around in a tizzy?" "Warcraft is down."

"Sanity is down, so paranoia has the network now."

--
T. M. Pederson <tmp+...@disfinite.org>
| Paranoia's a good starting point for the IT Security beginner, but
| well-informed abject fear is the mark of a seasoned professional.

[Seebs]

On 2011-11-16, T. M. Pederson <tmp+...@disfinite.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:11:20 +0000, Seebs wrote:
>> "Why is everyone running around in a tizzy?" "Warcraft is down."

> "Sanity is down, so paranoia has the network now."

Eerily plausible.

Okay, my next idea. Name desktop machines after the engineers... with
an off-by-one alphabetical order rotation. So Alice's workstation is
named Bob, Bob's workstation is named Charlie...

(And the drinking game: You get one drink per place you've worked where
the naming convention was, in practice, harder to work with.)

-s

[Alan J Rosenthal]

INVALID...@example.com.invalid (J.D. Baldwin) writes:
>Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.

Yeah, "after common network utilities" is way too long for a host name, and
spaces aren't usually allowed anyway.

[TimC]

On 2011-11-16, Seebs (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

> Okay, my next idea. Name desktop machines after the engineers... with
> an off-by-one alphabetical order rotation. So Alice's workstation is
> named Bob, Bob's workstation is named Charlie...
>
> (And the drinking game: You get one drink per place you've worked where
> the naming convention was, in practice, harder to work with.)

I quite liked the workaround they had at university where the naming
scheme was the chemical elements. The abbreviations were used for DNS
aliases, so I didn't have to remember how Ununnilium was spelled, and
ytterbium was never much of a problem when it was my hostname (mind
you, my fingers still remember how to spell it 6 years later).


(at $WEPREDICTWEATHER, hostnames are typically weather related
phenomena. High availablity services typically have an entry in DNS.
But that's where the sanity stops. The rtds4 service runs on a HA
hostname called "rtds3", and the "rtds4" HA hostname is running the
"rtds" service. The rtds DNS entry is an alias to the rtds3 hostname.
Yes, they're all production. We think.)

--
TimC
Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.

[David Gersic]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 19:01:53 +0000 (UTC), mlooney <mlo...@bigbird.megawatts.com> wrote:
> J.D. Baldwin <INVALID...@example.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.
>>
> What about mail?
>
> Aside from that my hosts names are bigbird, kermit, bert, www
> mail2,ns1, ns2, test and smtp.
>
> I theory kermit could be a problem, but does it even work
> over TCP/IP?

Yes. I know the guy that wrote the tcp/ip stack that was in the pc
kermit implementation.

[mrob...@att.net]

TimC <tcon...@rather.puzzling.no-spam-accepted-here.org> wrote:
> I quite liked the workaround they had at university where the naming
> scheme was the chemical elements.

Did anybody ever go to the wiring closet, unplug all the notwork
connections, reboot the router, and reconnect the hosts one at a time,
such that an ARP table or similar was in the order according to Lehrer?

Were the last octets also the atomic numbers?

> The rtds4 service runs on a HA hostname called "rtds3", and the
> "rtds4" HA hostname is running the "rtds" service. The rtds DNS entry
> is an alias to the rtds3 hostname.

WeSellLongDistance [0] had production jobs on a mainframe, where the
first eight characters of the job name were free and each one after that
cost eleventy billion dollars apiece. So the names were all like
"tma320", "tms430", etc. Back in the mists of time, there were only one
or two alphabetic prefixes, each hundred block had a specific meaning,
and any given string of jobs ran in increasing numerical order. By the
time I got there, you had to remember that tta323 ran *before* tta343,
unless it was for a particular type of data, in which case you ran
tta343 *first*, then taa333, then tta323. Nobody ever messed that up,
of course.

Matt Roberds

[0] ...AndCookTheBooks. The CEO got nine felony convictions and all I
got was a P-166 laptop!

[Wojciech Derechowski]

On 2011-11-16, mrob...@att.net <mrob...@att.net> wrote:
> WeSellLongDistance [0] had production jobs on a mainframe, where the
> first eight characters of the job name were free and each one after that
> cost eleventy billion dollars apiece.

Looks suspiciously like ZPV JbeyqPbz billing system I had to grok while
with WeDoDatabaseEngines[0]

WD
[0] ...AndCookTheBooks.
--
Who is Entscheidungs and what is his problem?

[Brian Kantor]

Gary Barnes <g...@adminspotting.org> wrote:
>On 16 Nov 2011 04:40:16 GMT, Alan J Rosenthal
><fl...@dgp.toronto.edu> wrote:

>: INVALID...@example.com.invalid (J.D. Baldwin) writes:
>: >Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.

Calling a host "stable" raises the question of whether you're
naming it after a characteristic or a location. "Augean" leaves
little doubt and is probably more accurate.
- Brian

[mlooney]

Yeah, I found that out when I went to $WEBPAGE

[Joe Thompson]

On 2011-11-16, TimC <tcon...@rather.puzzling.no-spam-accepted-here.org> wrote:
> (at $WEPREDICTWEATHER, hostnames are typically weather related
> phenomena. High availablity services typically have an entry in DNS.
> But that's where the sanity stops. The rtds4 service runs on a HA
> hostname called "rtds3", and the "rtds4" HA hostname is running the
> "rtds" service. The rtds DNS entry is an alias to the rtds3 hostname.
> Yes, they're all production. We think.)

At $ORK[-2], we had four AD domains that were like this:

$OU.local -- NETBIOS name $OU
$ORG-$OU.local -- NETBIOS name $ORG-$OU
$OU.$ORG-$OU.local -- NETBIOS name $OU
$ORG$OU.$ORG.gov -- NETBIOS name $ORG$OU

$ORG and $OU were the same string in all cases. Getting a clear idea of
which domain was concerned out of the help desk was impossible.

The first and third were the most commonly used, but one unit had a
bunch of old cruft in #4. To add to the fun, for a period of about a
year, nobody would admit to knowing the domain admin account passwords
for #2, and at some point somebody had tried to forest-merge #1 (which
was its own forest) with the forest composed of #2 and #3, but the merge
failed due to the NETBIOS name collision and forever after all the
domain controllers in both domains kept spamming the syslogs about it.

The final irony of it all was that #1 had been created to try to bring
everything under one forest so the names could be rationalized. -- Joe

--
Joe Thompson | Sysadmin - Scientificist
E-mail addresses in headers are valid. | http://www.orion-com.com/
"There is no way my emacs is ever getting a credit card!" -- Matthew Vernon

[Maarten Wiltink]

"Lionel" <imag...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:j9u9fh$51r$4...@xen1.xcski.com...

> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:48:35 +0000, J.D. Baldwin wrote:

>> Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.
>
> Ouch.

Yes, that would make a much better hostname.

Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink

[Lionel]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:13:33 +0100, Maarten Wiltink wrote:

> "Lionel" <imag...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:j9u9fh$51r$4...@xen1.xcski.com...
>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:48:35 +0000, J.D. Baldwin wrote:
>
>>> Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.
>>
>> Ouch.
>
> Yes, that would make a much better hostname.

Hm, we haven't had a host naming thread for a while, have we?
How about comic book exclamations? "Ouch", "Pow", "Biff", "Wham", "Splat".

[Seebs]

On 2011-11-17, Lionel <imag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hm, we haven't had a host naming thread for a while, have we?
> How about comic book exclamations? "Ouch", "Pow", "Biff", "Wham", "Splat".

My naming convention was "terms of venery", or more generally, "words
that could plausibly be the correct term for the plural". You know, like
"gaggle of geese", "herd of buffalo", "knot of frogs", "business of flies",
etcetera.

So...
mud server: puddle
user machine: herd
my desktop: guild
etc.

I don't remember what else we used.

[mlooney]

Lionel <imag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hm, we haven't had a host naming thread for a while, have we?
> How about comic book exclamations? "Ouch", "Pow", "Biff", "Wham", "Splat".
>

Splat might be tricky. I suspect splate.megawatts.com and *.megawatts.com
will not do the same thing, and given Glorious leader type person's
ability to get things wrong on a command line when dictated to, this
could be a bit weird.

[Joe Zeff]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 01:05:12 +0000, mlooney wrote:

> Splat might be tricky. I suspect splate.megawatts.com and
> *.megawatts.com will not do the same thing, and given Glorious leader
> type person's ability to get things wrong on a command line when
> dictated to, this could be a bit weird.

As would star, as that's what some of us call that particular character.

--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info

When all you have is a stick, every problem looks like a kneecap.
http://www.lasfs.info http://www.zeff.us

[Joe Zeff]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:42:33 +0000, Seebs wrote:

> "business of flies"

Shouldn't that be a zipper of flies?

--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info

I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it.

[mlooney]

Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 01:05:12 +0000, mlooney wrote:
>
>> Splat might be tricky. I suspect splate.megawatts.com and
>> *.megawatts.com will not do the same thing, and given Glorious leader
>> type person's ability to get things wrong on a command line when
>> dictated to, this could be a bit weird.
>
> As would star, as that's what some of us call that particular character.
>

That would be Other Tech. His is not wise in the ways of old masters
Never seen a Dos box being used. Sad really. He only back to
what ever replace the one that came after 98, whose name shall
mentioned. Never seen a Mac run OS 9.x, much less 8.5 or 7.[2|3]
The 9.2.2 thing got fixed today when a client wanted it on 450MHz G4
tower[0] We do not ask client why they want system configured, we just
do it

[0] First typed as tosser, which might be a better term.

[Julian Macassey]

On 17 Nov 2011 01:13:04 GMT, Joe Zeff

<the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:42:33 +0000, Seebs wrote:
>
>> "business of flies"
>
> Shouldn't that be a zipper of flies?

I do know "A business of ferrets" is correct.


--
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts. - Mark Twain

[Lionel]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:29:04 -0600, Julian Macassey wrote:

> On 17 Nov 2011 01:13:04 GMT, Joe Zeff
> <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:42:33 +0000, Seebs wrote:
>>
>>> "business of flies"
>>
>> Shouldn't that be a zipper of flies?
>
> I do know "A business of ferrets" is correct.

I hadn't heard that collective noun before, but I can confirm that a
group of ferrets will indeed get into your business if you don't go to
great lengths to stop them.

[Lionel]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 01:11:41 +0000, Joe Zeff wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 01:05:12 +0000, mlooney wrote:
>
>> Splat might be tricky. I suspect splate.megawatts.com and
>> *.megawatts.com will not do the same thing, and given Glorious leader
>> type person's ability to get things wrong on a command line when
>> dictated to, this could be a bit weird.
>
> As would star, as that's what some of us call that particular character.

And there are even those of us who call it an asterisk, boring though it
is to do so.

[David DeLaney]

Lionel <imag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Maarten Wiltink wrote:
>> "Lionel" <imag...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:48:35 +0000, J.D. Baldwin wrote:
>>>> Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.
>>>
>>> Ouch.
>>
>> Yes, that would make a much better hostname.
>
>Hm, we haven't had a host naming thread for a while, have we?
>How about comic book exclamations? "Ouch", "Pow", "Biff", "Wham", "Splat".

http://madcoversite.com/dmd-alphabetical.html
(Safe for work unless you're having a really bad day)

Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:34:52 +0000 (UTC), Lionel <imag...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:13:33 +0100, Maarten Wiltink wrote:
>
>> "Lionel" <imag...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:j9u9fh$51r$4...@xen1.xcski.com...
>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:48:35 +0000, J.D. Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>>> Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.
>>>
>>> Ouch.
>>
>> Yes, that would make a much better hostname.
>
>Hm, we haven't had a host naming thread for a while, have we?
>How about comic book exclamations? "Ouch", "Pow", "Biff", "Wham", "Splat".

My wife's old firm made molecular modelling software. Computers were
named after subatomic particles, which meant they ran out fairly
quickly. They ended up with names like Ron, Dodoron and Ronron.

Guy
--
Guy Chapman, http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
The usenet price promise: all opinions are guaranteed
to be worth at least what you paid for them.

[mrob...@att.net]

Wojciech Derechowski <wdd...@um5000.mystora.com> wrote:
> Looks suspiciously like ZPV JbeyqPbz billing system

I can neither confirm nor deny that I was a member of trarengvba q.

> I had to grok while with WeDoDatabaseEngines[0]

IIRC they had lots of Sighbase and DBtoo but were trying to standardize
on Anacle.

I remember one of the database guys was doing the "dump, fiddle with
table, re-import" dance and having trouble with the last part.
Apparently either the schema used floating-point numbers where it should
have used fixed-point, or the dump tool was broken, because the dump was
full of values like 1e-40, and the import tool was enforcing like
1.1e-40 as the smallest possible number. I think he ended up rounding
to zero and carrying on.

That was also where I learned about the fight I have written about here
before: The programmers want the database to be a simple collection of
tables, possibly with a few constraints for consistency. Any
calculations get done in the application code that they write and
control, so the weird DBA people can't touch it. The DBAs want the
programs to be a simple list of calls to stored procedures that they
write and control, so the weird programmers can't touch them. Of course
there is one mangler for the DBAs and another for the programmers.

> [0] ...AndCookTheBooks.

OU812? Now I wonder which one it was... Gargling the three I remember
doesn't help.

Matt Roberds

[Lionel]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:08:21 +0000, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:34:52 +0000 (UTC), Lionel <imag...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:13:33 +0100, Maarten Wiltink wrote:
>>
>>> "Lionel" <imag...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:j9u9fh$51r$4...@xen1.xcski.com...
>>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:48:35 +0000, J.D. Baldwin wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.
>>>>
>>>> Ouch.
>>>
>>> Yes, that would make a much better hostname.
>>
>>Hm, we haven't had a host naming thread for a while, have we? How about
>>comic book exclamations? "Ouch", "Pow", "Biff", "Wham", "Splat".
>
> My wife's old firm made molecular modelling software. Computers were
> named after subatomic particles, which meant they ran out fairly
> quickly. They ended up with names like Ron, Dodoron and Ronron.

I would hope that one was called doronron.

[Wojciech Derechowski]

On 2011-11-17, mrob...@att.net <mrob...@att.net> wrote:
> I can neither confirm nor deny that I was a member of trarengvba q.

Neither can I, since I'm not entirely sure what trarengvba q is.

> IIRC they had lots of Sighbase and DBtoo but were trying to standardize
> on Anacle.

They (MCI) had also over 4TB of data at Colorado Springs warehouse with
several "data marts" linked to it. It was fed from provisioning, passport,
billing and finance systems. They were adding some 300GB each month. They
decided to use Vasbezvk KCF and Cevfz.

> That was also where I learned about the fight I have written about here
> before: The programmers want the database to be a simple collection of
> tables, possibly with a few constraints for consistency. Any
> calculations get done in the application code that they write and
> control, so the weird DBA people can't touch it.

True. Especially for "Anacle" DBAs with their scripting languages.

> The DBAs want the
> programs to be a simple list of calls to stored procedures that they
> write and control, so the weird programmers can't touch them.

True. I've heard stories about 20000+ stored procedures in a single
system.

> OU812? Now I wonder which one it was... Gargling the three I remember
> doesn't help.

"Was" is the operative word here, but here you go:
uggc://ra.jvxvcrqvn.bet/jvxv/Vasbezvk

WD

[Peter H. Coffin]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 03:29:13 +0000 (UTC), Lionel wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 01:11:41 +0000, Joe Zeff wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 01:05:12 +0000, mlooney wrote:
>>
>>> Splat might be tricky. I suspect splate.megawatts.com and
>>> *.megawatts.com will not do the same thing, and given Glorious
>>> leader type person's ability to get things wrong on a command line
>>> when dictated to, this could be a bit weird.
>>
>> As would star, as that's what some of us call that particular
>> character.
>
> And there are even those of us who call it an asterisk, boring though
> it is to do so.

"cat-ass". Which means you can spell a synonmym of "disaster" with two
characters: *'

--
Revenge is an integral part of forgiving and forgetting.
-- The BOFH

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:55:17 +0000 (UTC), Lionel <imag...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:08:21 +0000, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:34:52 +0000 (UTC), Lionel <imag...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:13:33 +0100, Maarten Wiltink wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Lionel" <imag...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:j9u9fh$51r$4...@xen1.xcski.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:48:35 +0000, J.D. Baldwin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ouch.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that would make a much better hostname.
>>>
>>>Hm, we haven't had a host naming thread for a while, have we? How about
>>>comic book exclamations? "Ouch", "Pow", "Biff", "Wham", "Splat".
>>
>> My wife's old firm made molecular modelling software. Computers were
>> named after subatomic particles, which meant they ran out fairly
>> quickly. They ended up with names like Ron, Dodoron and Ronron.
>
>I would hope that one was called doronron.

Oh yes indeed. And Ronandron.

[T. M. Pederson]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:42:33 +0000, Seebs wrote:

> On 2011-11-17, Lionel <imag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hm, we haven't had a host naming thread for a while, have we? How about
>> comic book exclamations? "Ouch", "Pow", "Biff", "Wham", "Splat".
>
> My naming convention was "terms of venery", or more generally, "words
> that could plausibly be the correct term for the plural". You know,
> like "gaggle of geese", "herd of buffalo", "knot of frogs", "business of
> flies", etcetera.
>
> So...
> mud server: puddle
> user machine: herd
> my desktop: guild
> etc.

modem server: bank
sun "workstation": nova

There was also a machine named "hand" but I don't recall what it did.

And there were some exceptions to the theme, such as:
The Workstation That Kept Getting Resurrected: lazarus
Auxiliary servers (not always there): *.mirage
uucp hosts: *.bag

(Although I suppose that last works as "bag of tricks".)

[Julian Macassey]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:06:25 +0000, T. M. Pederson
<tmp+...@disfinite.org> wrote:
>
> And there were some exceptions to the theme, such as:
> The Workstation That Kept Getting Resurrected: lazarus
> Auxiliary servers (not always there): *.mirage
> uucp hosts: *.bag
>
> (Although I suppose that last works as "bag of tricks".)

Well, the word "mail" does mean "bag". Note usage as
chain mail. Yes, mail bag is redundant.

[Graham Reed]

"Peter H. Coffin" <hel...@ninehells.com> writes:
> "cat-ass". Which means you can spell a synonmym of "disaster" with two
> characters: *'

I was about to ask where the trophy was, then realized I wasn't parsing
a single-quoted string.

Not that some autoconf hacking earlier today has made me over-sensitive
to unbalanced quotes; I only made that mistake in 3 difference places of
a single macro I wrote. (But, modulo the typos, the actual logic in the
macro worked first try. So it will blow up another way.)

--
"I'd be quite in favour of a military takeover of that benighted city,
except that I _like_ the military and wouldn't want to stick them with
it." -- AdB, about Toronto

[Seebs]

On 2011-11-17, T. M. Pederson <tmp+...@disfinite.org> wrote:
> modem server: bank

Ah, yes.

> There was also a machine named "hand" but I don't recall what it did.

Finger daemon? Some sort of cards? It totally made sense at the time.

[stevo]

Just zis Guy, you know? <usen...@chapmancentral.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:55:17 +0000 (UTC), Lionel <imag...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:08:21 +0000, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:34:52 +0000 (UTC), Lionel <imag...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:13:33 +0100, Maarten Wiltink wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Lionel" <imag...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:j9u9fh$51r$4...@xen1.xcski.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:48:35 +0000, J.D. Baldwin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ouch.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, that would make a much better hostname.
>>>>
>>>>Hm, we haven't had a host naming thread for a while, have we? How about
>>>>comic book exclamations? "Ouch", "Pow", "Biff", "Wham", "Splat".
>>>
>>> My wife's old firm made molecular modelling software. Computers were
>>> named after subatomic particles, which meant they ran out fairly
>>> quickly. They ended up with names like Ron, Dodoron and Ronron.
>>
>>I would hope that one was called doronron.
>
> Oh yes indeed. And Ronandron.
>

But what about fouldoldron?

--
Stevo st...@madcelt.org

[Shmuel Metz]

In <14dgp8-...@fata-morgana.disfinite.org>, on 11/17/2011
at 10:06 PM, "T. M. Pederson" <tmp+...@disfinite.org> said:

>sun "workstation": nova

I thought that was a Data General workstation.

Hat? I left it on the Amdahl console.

--
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Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
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(S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003)

[Richard Gadsden]

On 17/11/2011 09:08, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:34:52 +0000 (UTC), Lionel<imag...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:13:33 +0100, Maarten Wiltink wrote:
>>
>>> "Lionel"<imag...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:j9u9fh$51r$4...@xen1.xcski.com...
>>>> On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:48:35 +0000, J.D. Baldwin wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Please do not name hosts after common network utilities.
>>>>
>>>> Ouch.
>>>
>>> Yes, that would make a much better hostname.
>>
>> Hm, we haven't had a host naming thread for a while, have we?
>> How about comic book exclamations? "Ouch", "Pow", "Biff", "Wham", "Splat".
>
> My wife's old firm made molecular modelling software. Computers were
> named after subatomic particles, which meant they ran out fairly
> quickly. They ended up with names like Ron, Dodoron and Ronron.

Really? There are an awful lot of mesons and baryons once you include
the other four quarks. Four kaons, even before you start charming them,
for instance.

Of course anti-charmed-b-meson is a bit of an odd hostname.

--
Richard Gadsden ric...@gadsden.name
"I disagree with what you say but I will defend to
the death your right to say it" - Attributed to Voltaire

[Brian Kantor]

Richard Gadsden <ric...@gadsden.name> wrote:
>Really? There are an awful lot of mesons and baryons once you include
>the other four quarks. Four kaons, even before you start charming them,
>for instance.
>Of course anti-charmed-b-meson is a bit of an odd hostname.

"Listen, Quark: I've had enough of top and bottom; I want our relationship
to have strangeness and charm!" -- unknown

I'll get me hat.
- Brian

[mrob...@att.net]

Wojciech Derechowski <wdd...@um5000.mystora.com> wrote:
> On 2011-11-17, mrob...@att.net <mrob...@att.net> wrote:
>> I can neither confirm nor deny that I was a member of trarengvba q.
>
> Neither can I, since I'm not entirely sure what trarengvba q is.

Marketing campaign. Lo-def at
uggc://jjj.lbhghor.pbz/jngpu?i=7AFWNF7hTQx . For some reason, there are
good quality copies of two 11-year-old commercials at
uggc://jjj.oyvaq.pbz/jbex/pbzzrepvnyf/zpvjbeyqpbz-trarengvba-q/ .

>> IIRC they had lots of Sighbase and DBtoo but were trying to standardize
>> on Anacle.
>
> They (MCI) had also over 4TB of data at Colorado Springs warehouse
> with several "data marts" linked to it.

Ah, the half that built an entirely new billing system whenever they
thought of a new product or feature. (In LDDS-land, there were only
three billing systems, which is two too many, but better than the
several dozen MCI had.) By the time I was there, you could tell who the
smart people were from MCI; they were the ones that got jobs elsewhere
right after the merger.

Colorado Springs was also kind of paranoid. The security system had
its own idea of whether your badge was inside or outside the building,
and wouldn't open the door if you scanned on the "wrong" side. It was
kind of funny watching people line up to scan out when they went to
lunch or for a smoke. (Tulsa had badges too, but it was a lot more
relaxed.) More than one employee there also told me that the Ethernet
jacks in the cubicles were wired in a non-standard manner, so that
neither a straight or crossover cable would work; you had to go on
bended knee to beg one from the Keeper of the Cables.

> "Was" is the operative word here, but here you go:
> uggc://ra.jvxvcrqvn.bet/jvxv/Vasbezvk

Ah. I don't remember WCOEQ.PK using their "regular" database product,
but I do remember hearing the words "Erq Oevpx" being tossed around.

Matt Roberds

[Lionel]

It wouldn't be from the eponymous 'SF' sitcom, would it?

[Cipher]

On 11/17/2011 5:06 PM, T. M. Pederson wrote:

>
> There was also a machine named "hand" but I don't recall what it did.

"Cron" jobs, I'd wager.

--
The word "urgent" is the moral of the story "The boy who cried wolf". As
a general rule I don't believe it until a manager comes to me almost in
tears. I like to catch them in a cup and drink them later.
-- Matt Holiab, in the Monastery

[Wojciech Derechowski]

On 2011-11-18, mrob...@att.net <mrob...@att.net> wrote:
> Wojciech Derechowski <wdd...@um5000.mystora.com> wrote:
>> On 2011-11-17, mrob...@att.net <mrob...@att.net> wrote:
> More than one employee there also told me that the Ethernet
> jacks in the cubicles were wired in a non-standard manner, so that
> neither a straight or crossover cable would work; you had to go on
> bended knee to beg one from the Keeper of the Cables.

They had over 100 SP2 Processors on FDDI rings so that could have been
CDDI, but after 15 years I don't seem to have the notes any longer.

[T. M. Pederson]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 23:44:43 +0000, Seebs wrote:

> On 2011-11-17, T. M. Pederson <tmp+...@disfinite.org> wrote:

[...]

>> There was also a machine named "hand" but I don't recall what it did.
>
> Finger daemon? Some sort of cards? It totally made sense at the time.

I have this vague thought that host was involved in testing in some way.
Perhaps it was "hand of bananas" for the test monkeys?

Mmm, bananas.

[Brian Kantor]

In article <ja5bck$3s6$1...@xen1.xcski.com>, Lionel <imag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 01:22:22 -0800, Brian Kantor wrote:
>> "Listen, Quark: I've had enough of top and bottom; I want our
>> relationship to have strangeness and charm!" -- unknown
>It wouldn't be from the eponymous 'SF' sitcom, would it?

I'm fairly certain it's not, but I really don't remember where
I first heard it. I'm probably misquoting it too, but that's
how I remember it.
- Brian

[Niklas Karlsson]

On 2011-11-17, Lionel <imag...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hm, we haven't had a host naming thread for a while, have we?
> How about comic book exclamations? "Ouch", "Pow", "Biff", "Wham", "Splat".

Where I get to choose host names freely, I'm partial to AI characters
from works of fiction. $ORK[0] has a boring naming standard which is
supposed to relate directly to function, but then again it's easier to
ask forgiveness than permission...

I see that $ORK[-4] still has the DNS entry for skaffen-amtiskaw.

Niklas
--
"I think _Remembrance of Things Past_ was written as a shop manual
for my lawnmower. Proust obviously knows nothing about two-stroke
engines. What a bunch of crap."
-- Douglas Henke

[John Burnham]

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 01:22:22 -0800, Brian Kantor wrote:

Copernicus had those Renaissance ladies
Crazy about his telescope
And Galileo had a name that made his
Reputation higher than his hopes
Did none of those astronomers discover
While they were staring out into the dark
That what a lady looks for in her lover
Is Charm, Strangeness and Quark

J

[Lionel]

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:17:21 -0500, Cipher wrote:

> On 11/17/2011 5:06 PM, T. M. Pederson wrote:
>
>
>> There was also a machine named "hand" but I don't recall what it did.
>
> "Cron" jobs, I'd wager.

I would've bet on it being a pr0n server.

[Niklas Karlsson]

On 2011-11-18, Lionel <imag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:17:21 -0500, Cipher wrote:
>
>> On 11/17/2011 5:06 PM, T. M. Pederson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> There was also a machine named "hand" but I don't recall what it did.
>>
>> "Cron" jobs, I'd wager.
>
> I would've bet on it being a pr0n server.

Ah, with its configuration stored in /rgp/ce0agno, or perhaps in
multiple files in /rgp/ce0a.q these days.

Niklas
--
>I've wondered recently why it's not feasible to make large passenger planes
>capable of water landing.
Well, they keep having to replace all the seat cushions, for one
thing... -- Mike Sphar and Mark Hughes in asr

[Wojciech Derechowski]

On 2011-11-18, John Burnham <jo...@jaka.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Copernicus had those Renaissance ladies
> Crazy about his telescope
> And Galileo had a name that made his
> Reputation higher than his hopes
> Did none of those astronomers discover
> While they were staring out into the dark
> That what a lady looks for in her lover
> Is Charm, Strangeness and Quark

At least they understood that size does matter. Come to
think of it, LHC is the biggest instrument ever.

[LP]

On 2011-11-18, Niklas Karlsson <ank...@yahoo.se> wrote:
>
> Ah, with its configuration stored in /rgp/ce0agno, or perhaps in
> multiple files in /rgp/ce0a.q these days.

Not necessarily if it's using nance0a

Why yes, I *do* have a minor rant about a distro which comes with
a half baked peba/nanpeba install which didn't behave as expected
when asking it to run a peba job.

It's riddled with UI though.

-Paul
--
http://paulseward.com

[TimC]

On 2011-11-19, Wojciech Derechowski (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

> On 2011-11-18, John Burnham <jo...@jaka.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Copernicus had those Renaissance ladies
>> Crazy about his telescope
>> And Galileo had a name that made his
>> Reputation higher than his hopes
>> Did none of those astronomers discover
>> While they were staring out into the dark
>> That what a lady looks for in her lover
>> Is Charm, Strangeness and Quark
>
> At least they understood that size does matter. Come to
> think of it, LHC is the biggest instrument ever.

Biggest in volume. The various VLBIs are bigger in size/diameter.

--
TimC
If this is UI for anyone - even TimC - I shall be extremely alarmed.
-- Dan Birchall

[Shmuel Metz]

In <xY-dnXtJKcCMhVvT...@giganews.com>, on 11/18/2011

at 08:32 AM, Richard Gadsden <ric...@gadsden.name> said:

>Really? There are an awful lot of mesons and baryons once you
>include the other four quarks.

To say nothing of siz leptons, the photon, the Higgs and possibly
supersymmetric partners of the whole zoo.

>Of course anti-charmed-b-meson is a bit of an odd hostname.

So is Goldstino or selectron.

[Ralph Wade Phillips]

Grr ...

On 11/17/2011 4:20 PM, Julian Macassey wrote:
> Well, the word "mail" does mean "bag". Note usage as
> chain mail. Yes, mail bag is redundant.
>
>

Not always.

For instance, I have a plastic bag in the kitchen that I use to keep the
plastic bags our meat (and sometimes other groceries - we don't always
remember to take the reusable bags with us) comes home in.

It's our "bag bag". One is a noun, one tells us WHICH instance of that
noun it is.

As opposed to "trash bag" and "garbage bag".

RwP

[Julian Macassey]

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:48:44 -0600, Ralph Wade Phillips
<ne...@philent.biz> wrote:
> On 11/17/2011 4:20 PM, Julian Macassey wrote:
>> Well, the word "mail" does mean "bag". Note usage as
>> chain mail. Yes, mail bag is redundant.
>>
>>
>
> Not always.
>
> For instance, I have a plastic bag in the kitchen that I use to keep the
> plastic bags our meat (and sometimes other groceries - we don't always
> remember to take the reusable bags with us) comes home in.
>
> It's our "bag bag". One is a noun, one tells us WHICH instance of that
> noun it is.

So, call it the "bag mail" and confuse everyone.


--
"I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted" -
George Best

[Wojciech Derechowski]

On 2011-11-19, TimC <tcon...@rather.puzzling.no-spam-accepted-here.org> wrote:
> Biggest in volume. The various VLBIs are bigger in size/diameter.

You are right and I am wrong. That's what happens when you post at
4 in the morning: you don't think of VLB Arrays. These are composed
of radio telescopes, and it shouldn't matter that your mind is
clouded.

[John Dow]

Seebs the Monkey was never naughty:

> On 2011-11-17, Lionel <imag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hm, we haven't had a host naming thread for a while, have we?
>> How about comic book exclamations? "Ouch", "Pow", "Biff", "Wham", "Splat".
>

> My naming convention was "terms of venery", or more generally, "words
> that could plausibly be the correct term for the plural". You know, like
> "gaggle of geese", "herd of buffalo", "knot of frogs", "business of flies",
> etcetera.

Nice - did you have a collective noun for referring to your network of
collective nouns?

One network I adminned used cheeses for hostnames, thanks to the ever
reliable cheese.com. You'd be amazed how many there are. Or maybe you wouldn't.

J

--
John Dow <j...@nelefa.org.invalid>
... Blog : http://www.nelefa.org Writing : http://www.johnmdow.co.uk
/|\ Constructed using slrn and vi.
/ | \ Zomoniac is Wrong. Fact.

[Julian Macassey]

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:33:47 +0000, John Dow <j...@nelefa.org.invalid> wrote:

> One network I adminned used cheeses for hostnames, thanks to
> the ever reliable cheese.com. You'd be amazed how many there
> are. Or maybe you wouldn't.

No one who likes food would be amazed. Most eaters of
junk food might be amazed to learn that there are more cheeses
than American, Cheddar, Swiss and Jack.

It was DeGaule I believe who said: "No one can govern a
country with more than 300 cheeses."

Saint Nectaire is my favourite cheese. I suppose Esrom is
my second choice.

[John Dow]

Julian Macassey the Monkey was never naughty:

I have a soft spot for gubbeen. Mostly because it has a silly name.

[David DeLaney]

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:33:47 +0000, John Dow <j...@nelefa.org.invalid> wrote:

>One network I adminned used cheeses for hostnames, thanks to the ever
>reliable cheese.com. You'd be amazed how many there are. Or maybe you wouldn't.

Venezuelan Beaver Cheese?

Dave "and then one host named thecatseatenit" DeLaney
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

[Willem]

David DeLaney wrote:
) Dave "and then one host named thecatseatenit" DeLaney

That almost, but not quite[1], sounds like a British-Indian server that
gets warm, but not uncomfortably hot, and has enough space on top for a
small mammal to rest.

1] "thecatseatinnit".


SaSW, Willem
--
Disclaimer: I am in no way responsible for any of the statements
made in the above text. For all I know I might be
drugged or something..
No I'm not paranoid. You all think I'm paranoid, don't you !
#EOT

[Peter Corlett]

John Dow <j...@nelefa.org.invalid> wrote:
[...]

> One network I adminned used cheeses for hostnames, thanks to the ever
> reliable cheese.com. You'd be amazed how many there are. Or maybe you
> wouldn't.

I'm south of the Border, where many different cheeses are made. I'm not
amazed, because I'm not American, and know that cheese is more than
different coloured plastics.

I have some cheese that's so tasty, I'm storing it in a neighbour's fridge,
some 17 doors away. It's been there a good week or so now, so I should
probably go and visit shortly with a packet of crackers and a hazmat suit.

[Kevin Goebel]

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:33:47 +0000, John Dow <j...@nelefa.org.invalid> wrote:

>Seebs the Monkey was never naughty:
>> On 2011-11-17, Lionel <imag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hm, we haven't had a host naming thread for a while, have we?
>>> How about comic book exclamations? "Ouch", "Pow", "Biff", "Wham", "Splat".

>> My naming convention was "terms of venery", or more generally, "words
>> that could plausibly be the correct term for the plural". You know, like
>> "gaggle of geese", "herd of buffalo", "knot of frogs", "business of flies",
>> etcetera.

>Nice - did you have a collective noun for referring to your network of
>collective nouns?

>One network I adminned used cheeses for hostnames, thanks to the ever
>reliable cheese.com. You'd be amazed how many there are. Or maybe you wouldn't.

Dida you hava a gouda relationaship witha da servers?

Kevin Goebel

[Lionel]

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:33:47 +0000, John Dow wrote:
[...]

> One network I adminned used cheeses for hostnames, thanks to the ever
> reliable cheese.com. You'd be amazed how many there are. Or maybe you
> wouldn't.

Pfft. Their site lists *one* of the crappier King Island cheeses, & is
crawling with ads. King Island makes at least half a dozen really good
cheeses, of which my personal favourite is their "Roaring Forties" blue-
vein, which is a strong blue-vein that's also very sweet & creamy. IMHO,
much nicer than the usual salty blue veins. Their Bries & Camemberts are
also very good.

[Wojciech Derechowski]

On 2011-11-25, Peter Corlett <ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:
> I have some cheese that's so tasty, I'm storing it in a neighbour's fridge,
> some 17 doors away. It's been there a good week or so now, so I should
> probably go and visit shortly with a packet of crackers and a hazmat suit.

Instead of very large prophylactic which may surprise her, take some wine
with you when you go.

[Dave Hughes]

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:20:40 -0600, Kevin Goebel wrote:

> Dida you hava a gouda relationaship witha da servers?

Well, I always said haloumi friend.

--
Dave Hughes - da...@hired-goons.net
That's why I love VoIP. You don't get people phoning up to complain
that the network is down.- Peter Corlett, in the Monastery

[Garrett Wollman]

In article <jan2ha$p1c$2...@xen1.xcski.com>, Lionel <imag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:33:47 +0000, John Dow wrote:
>[...]
>> One network I adminned used cheeses for hostnames, thanks to the ever
>> reliable cheese.com. You'd be amazed how many there are. Or maybe you
>> wouldn't.
>
>Pfft. Their site lists *one* of the crappier King Island cheeses, & is
>crawling with ads. King Island makes at least half a dozen really good
>cheeses, of which my personal favourite is their "Roaring Forties" blue-
>vein, which is a strong blue-vein that's also very sweet & creamy.

You may (or may not) want to distinguish between *kinds* of cheese and
*brands* of cheese. (Although it's a reasonable argument that what we
consider a kind today was yesterday's brand name.)

Roaring Forties, FWIW, is one of the few Australian cheeses that make
it all the way to 42N 71W. I can't abide blue mold, so I've never
been tempted to try it, but I've bought it for other people on
occasion. (I have no problem with white cheese mold, go figure.) The
other Australian cheeses that we get seem to be primarily cheddars,
which seems like an utterly pointless waste of kerosene when we can
get perfectly good domestic cheddar,[1] not to mention Canadian and
Irish cheddars, and even actual West Country Farmhouse Cheddar from
time to time. Oh, and cantal, a very similar French cheese.

-GAWollman

[1] Yes, we can also get perfectly awful domestic cheddar, in very
large quantities. Not relevant to this discussion, since the places
that sell the good stuff mostly don't sell the bad stuff.
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993

[Brian Kantor]

Garrett Wollman <wol...@bimajority.org> wrote:
>other Australian cheeses that we get seem to be primarily cheddars,
>which seems like an utterly pointless waste of kerosene when we can

>get perfectly good domestic cheddar, ...

I've had some very nice Australian cheddar which did NOT taste at all
like it was made from kerosene. Or petrol. It was, in fact, quite
tasty. Almost makes up for the existence of vegemite.
- Brian

[Joe Thompson]

On 2011-11-25, Peter Corlett <ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:

> I'm south of the Border, where many different cheeses are made. I'm not
> amazed, because I'm not American, and know that cheese is more than
> different coloured plastics.

Hey, hey, now. We have lots of different kinds of cheese -- Wisconsin
cheddar and Vermont cheddar and New York cheddar and New York *extra-
sharp* cheddar. -- Joe
--
Joe Thompson | Sysadmin - Scientificist
E-mail addresses in headers are valid. | http://www.orion-com.com/
"There is no way my emacs is ever getting a credit card!" -- Matthew Vernon

[Peter Corlett]

Wojciech Derechowski <wdd...@um5000.mystora.com> wrote:
> On 2011-11-25, Peter Corlett <ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:
>> I have some cheese that's so tasty, I'm storing it in a neighbour's
>> fridge, some 17 doors away. It's been there a good week or so now, so I
>> should probably go and visit shortly with a packet of crackers and a
>> hazmat suit.
> Instead of very large prophylactic which may surprise her, take some wine
> with you when you go.

It's a him, it's not that kind of arrangement, and port goes better with
that cheese than wine does.

[Julian Macassey]

Vegemite, now a Kraft product.

Vegemite and Marmite, are best described as "Skidmark in
a jar".



--
"Comment voulez-vous gouverner un pays qui a deux cent quarante-six variétés
de fromage?" ("How can you govern a country which has two hundred and
forty-six varieties of cheese?") - Charles de Gaulle

[Julian Macassey]

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:31:19 +0000 (UTC), Joe Thompson
<sp...@orion-com.com> wrote:
> On 2011-11-25, Peter Corlett <ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:
>> I'm south of the Border, where many different cheeses are made. I'm not
>> amazed, because I'm not American, and know that cheese is more than
>> different coloured plastics.
>
> Hey, hey, now. We have lots of different kinds of cheese -- Wisconsin
> cheddar and Vermont cheddar and New York cheddar and New York *extra-
> sharp* cheddar. -- Joe

None of which taste like Cheddar.

Have some of the real stuff in my fridge.

[Garrett Wollman]

In article <jaoea1$hfm$1...@karoshi.ucsd.edu>,

Brian Kantor <br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu> wrote:
>Garrett Wollman <wol...@bimajority.org> wrote:
>>other Australian cheeses that we get seem to be primarily cheddars,
>>which seems like an utterly pointless waste of kerosene when we can
>>get perfectly good domestic cheddar, ...
>
>I've had some very nice Australian cheddar which did NOT taste at all
>like it was made from kerosene.

Whoosh!

-GAWollman

[Wojciech Derechowski]

On 2011-11-25, Peter Corlett <ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:
> and port goes better with
> that cheese than wine does.

The only cheese I can think of that goes better with port than
with wine is a kind of blue stilton. The only problem is that
the smell is rather benign, so what is it?

[TimC]

On 2011-11-25, Peter Corlett (aka Bruce)

was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

> Wojciech Derechowski <wdd...@um5000.mystora.com> wrote:
>> Instead of very large prophylactic which may surprise her, take some wine
>> with you when you go.
>
> It's a him, it's not that kind of arrangement, and port goes better with
> that cheese than wine does.

I've never been to a port, cheese and poetry night before.


(I was stopped from reading out my chosen poem at my last wine,
cheese, and poetry night. Not even the geeks present appreciated the
Black Perl poem. Damn, I can't find the music we played later that
night.)

--
TimC
If you ever fear that machines will surpass humans in intelligence,
just ask Microsoft to write the OS. -- POTU in RHOD

[Kevin Goebel]

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:31:19 +0000 (UTC), Joe Thompson <sp...@orion-com.com>
wrote:

>On 2011-11-25, Peter Corlett <ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:
>> I'm south of the Border, where many different cheeses are made. I'm not
>> amazed, because I'm not American, and know that cheese is more than
>> different coloured plastics.

>Hey, hey, now. We have lots of different kinds of cheese -- Wisconsin
>cheddar and Vermont cheddar and New York cheddar and New York *extra-
>sharp* cheddar. -- Joe

I live in Wisconsin, adjacent to Green County, a major cheese making center,
http://www.cheesedays.org/cheesemaking.htmabout and it's an hour drive to
Monroe - home of Baumgartener's https://baumgartnercheese.com/ - a place
that's been in business for 80 years. I have fond memories of visiting it
with my Grandparents and Great Aunts.

Although I'm more of a pastrami and brat eater, I enjoy a cheese sandwich as
well whenever I go there, and take home cheese curds, brick and cheddar
cheeses as well as some summer sausage. They serve local beers, but as I
don't like the taste of alcohol, I've never paid attention to the types or
brands.

Although I don't care for it, I think the only Limburger cheese maker in the
US is in Monroe.

Kevin Goebel

[Mike Causer]

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:00:49 -0600
Julian Macassey <jul...@tele.com> wrote:

> Vegemite, now a Kraft product.

Marmite - "A Unilver brand" - on the jar I bought today.

> Vegemite and Marmite, are best described as "Skidmark in
> a jar".

No, no, /that's/ Bovril....


Mike

[Zebee Johnstone]

In alt.sysadmin.recovery on Sat, 26 Nov 2011 20:33:16 +0000

Mike Causer <m.r.c...@goglemail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:00:49 -0600
> Julian Macassey <jul...@tele.com> wrote:
>
>> Vegemite, now a Kraft product.
>
> Marmite - "A Unilver brand" - on the jar I bought today.
>
>

And in Oz.... they add sugar! Marmite with sugar, why on earth?

Zebee

[Julian Macassey]

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:12:30 -0600, Kevin Goebel
<kevi...@kevingoebel.com> wrote:
>
> I live in Wisconsin, adjacent to Green County, a major cheese making center,
> http://www.cheesedays.org/cheesemaking.htmabout and it's an hour drive to
> Monroe - home of Baumgartener's https://baumgartnercheese.com/ - a place
> that's been in business for 80 years. I have fond memories of visiting it
> with my Grandparents and Great Aunts.
>
> Although I'm more of a pastrami and brat eater, I enjoy a cheese sandwich as
> well whenever I go there, and take home cheese curds, brick and cheddar
> cheeses as well as some summer sausage. They serve local beers, but as I
> don't like the taste of alcohol, I've never paid attention to the types or
> brands.

I lived in Wisconsin. There are some dairies making good
cheese there, mainly for export it seems. There is one goat farm
making a fine chevre that they sell to Trader Joe's. But most
cheese made in Wisconsin is muck. Take for example the execrable
Kaukauna Cheese, described as a spreadable cheddar.

[Ignatios Souvatzis]

Wojciech Derechowski wrote:
> On 2011-11-19, TimC <tcon...@rather.puzzling.no-spam-accepted-here.org> wrote:
>> Biggest in volume. The various VLBIs are bigger in size/diameter.
>
> You are right and I am wrong. That's what happens when you post at
> 4 in the morning: you don't think of VLB Arrays. These are composed
> of radio telescopes, and it shouldn't matter that your mind is
> clouded.

It does. At least for certain wavelengths.

-is

[Joe Zeff]

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 17:19:45 +0000, Peter Corlett wrote:

> It's a him, it's not that kind of arrangement, and port goes better with
> that cheese than wine does.

The last time I checked, port *was* a wine.

--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
*Sigh* It's almost as if they interpret the Bible as Microsoft does
RFCs.

[Joe Zeff]

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:31:19 +0000, Joe Thompson wrote:

> Hey, hey, now. We have lots of different kinds of cheese -- Wisconsin
> cheddar and Vermont cheddar and New York cheddar and New York *extra-
> sharp* cheddar. -- Joe

Let's not forget tillamook.

--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info

People with Alzheimers get to hide their own Easter eggs!

[Garrett Wollman]

In article <4ed2e4ba$0$29315$a826...@newsreader.readnews.com>,

Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:31:19 +0000, Joe Thompson wrote:
>
>> Hey, hey, now. We have lots of different kinds of cheese -- Wisconsin
>> cheddar and Vermont cheddar and New York cheddar and New York *extra-
>> sharp* cheddar. -- Joe
>
>Let's not forget tillamook.

ITYM "Tillamook(R)". HTH, etc.

[Lawns 'R' Us]

On 2011-11-28, Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:

> Zebee Johnstone wrote:
>
>>And in Oz.... they add sugar! Marmite with sugar, why on earth?
>

> Covering all food groups in one jar?

Can't be. It doesn't have caffeine.

[LP]

On 2011-11-26, TimC <tcon...@rather.puzzling.no-spam-accepted-here.org> wrote:
>
> I've never been to a port, cheese and poetry night before.

I've always wanted to organise a wine and cheese night for the more
well-to-do of my friends, and once everyone has turned up unveil the
"dairylea and lambrini" with great reverence.

Just to see how they react.

Of course, then I'd wheel out the quality locally produced cheeses[1]
and drinkable wine - but it would be fun to play it out for half an hour
or so to see how many of them roll with it.

-Paul
[1] Being in westcountry.uk there are plenty to choose from
--
http://paulseward.com

[Bernard Peek]

Wash it down with diet Mountain Dew.


--
Bernard Peek
b...@shrdlu.com

[TimC]

On 2011-11-28, Bernard Peek (aka Bruce)

was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

In Australia? What will that achieve?

--
TimC
Do Kibologists dream of electric dolphins, or of inflatable sheep? -- Kibo

[John Dow]

Kevin Goebel the Monkey was never naughty:
> On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:33:47 +0000, John Dow <j...@nelefa.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Seebs the Monkey was never naughty:
>>> On 2011-11-17, Lionel <imag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hm, we haven't had a host naming thread for a while, have we?
>>>> How about comic book exclamations? "Ouch", "Pow", "Biff", "Wham", "Splat".
>
>>> My naming convention was "terms of venery", or more generally, "words
>>> that could plausibly be the correct term for the plural". You know, like
>>> "gaggle of geese", "herd of buffalo", "knot of frogs", "business of flies",
>>> etcetera.
>
>>Nice - did you have a collective noun for referring to your network of
>>collective nouns?

>
>>One network I adminned used cheeses for hostnames, thanks to the ever
>>reliable cheese.com. You'd be amazed how many there are. Or maybe you wouldn't.
>

> Dida you hava a gouda relationaship witha da servers?

" . . " <---- Hard stare

J

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