pdp-10 for sale
Mike Ross
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150256074674
Don't really want to, but if a deep-pocket collector decides to bite, it's gone.
Mike
--
http://www.corestore.org
'As I walk along these shores
I am the history within'
Johnny Billquist
> I've finally gone and done it:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150256074674
>
> Don't really want to, but if a deep-pocket collector decides to bite, it's gone.
>
> Mike
Hmm, that isn't a -2065, is it? It's blue... Shouldn't that be something like a
-1099 or whatever they were called then?
Johnny
--
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Mike Ross
>Mike Ross skrev:
>> I've finally gone and done it:
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150256074674
>>
>> Don't really want to, but if a deep-pocket collector decides to bite, it's gone.
>>
>> Mike
>
>Hmm, that isn't a -2065, is it? It's blue... Shouldn't that be something like a
>-1099 or whatever they were called then?
Johnny,
Read my webpage:
http://www.corestore.org/DEC2065.htm
There's an interesting story as to why it's blue... if you scrape off the blue,
it's orange beneath :-)
Johnny Billquist
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:00:43 +0200, Johnny Billquist <b...@update.uu.se> wrote:
>
>> Mike Ross skrev:
>>> I've finally gone and done it:
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150256074674
>>>
>>> Don't really want to, but if a deep-pocket collector decides to bite, it's gone.
>>>
>>> Mike
>> Hmm, that isn't a -2065, is it? It's blue... Shouldn't that be something like a
>> -1099 or whatever they were called then?
>
> Johnny,
>
> Read my webpage:
>
> http://www.corestore.org/DEC2065.htm
>
> There's an interesting story as to why it's blue... if you scrape off the blue,
> it's orange beneath :-)
Wow. That was a really weird story. Thanks! :-)
Bob Koehler
>
> Wow. That was a really weird story. Thanks! :-)
>
We had a 2050 and a 2060 both in blue cabinets. To my knowledge
those two were never orange.
Johnny Billquist
Weird. I was pretty sure that blue cabinets meant it was -10xx where xx were
some high number.
We still have two KL10s at Update. Both are -2060s, and both are orange.
Stacken, at KTH in Stockholm, have a bunch of blue KL10s. All are DECsystem-10
machine. There are (were?) also a few orange ones, and those were DECSYSTEM-20
machines.
But maybe my sample still was too small to actually tell. I would guess the
total number of KL machines I've inspected are no more than 10.
Hmm, come to think of it. Do anyone know if all KS machines were orange, or did
they also come in two colors?
Bob Koehler
>
> We had a 2050 and a 2060 both in blue cabinets. To my knowledge
> those two were never orange.
in VMS management (the VP?), we he joked "and we'll port VMS
to those 36 bit machines just as soon as they paint them blue",
or words to that affect.
I was tempted to step up at the Q&A and offer to load VMS on my
blue -20's just as soon as he finished the port.
I think later PDP-10 line was just put into whatever cabinet DEC
had handy, but most were sold in orange prior to the first ship of
blue VAXen.
And now I have to move a rack with no DEC equipment inside, but a
familiar purple panel on top.
Pat Farrell
> Hmm, come to think of it. Do anyone know if all KS machines were orange,
> or did they also come in two colors?
I'm pretty sure that the ADP On-site KS were some sort of brown.
--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/
Mike Ross
>Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> Hmm, come to think of it. Do anyone know if all KS machines were orange,
>> or did they also come in two colors?
>
>I'm pretty sure that the ADP On-site KS were some sort of brown.
I'm pretty sure I've heard the same.
Wasn't Barb involved in rescuing some??
Mike Ross
>On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:15:47 -0400, Pat Farrell <pfar...@pfarrell.com> wrote:
>
>>Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>> Hmm, come to think of it. Do anyone know if all KS machines were orange,
>>> or did they also come in two colors?
>>
>>I'm pretty sure that the ADP On-site KS were some sort of brown.
>
>I'm pretty sure I've heard the same.
>
>Wasn't Barb involved in rescuing some??
Belay that... it's John Wilson I remember as having some. Bit rot.
Pontus Pihlgren
>
> We still have two KL10s at Update. Both are -2060s, and both are orange.
> Stacken, at KTH in Stockholm, have a bunch of blue KL10s. All are
> DECsystem-10 machine. There are (were?) also a few orange ones, and
> those were DECSYSTEM-20 machines.
Do you know if they still have the machines, or if the ended up in Peter
Löthbergs collection? I tried to get in touch with them(stacken), but
perhaps I didn't use the proper channels.
Regards,
Pontus.
jmfbah
> Bob Koehler skrev:
>> In article <g2cae3$dio$1...@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist
>> <b...@update.uu.se> writes:
>>> Wow. That was a really weird story. Thanks! :-)
>>>
>>
>> We had a 2050 and a 2060 both in blue cabinets. To my knowledge
>> those two were never orange.
>
> Weird. I was pretty sure that blue cabinets meant it was -10xx where xx
> were some high number.
>
> We still have two KL10s at Update. Both are -2060s, and both are orange.
Now check the pricing. DEC customers figured out that they could buy
20 hardware and run their -10 OS software base. In addition, if you
wanted to buy a -10, everybody suddenly went deaf. If you wanted to
buy a 20, you could buy as many as you wanted...before Digital
put a hold on all PDP-10 orders.
/BAH
jmfbah
> On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:15:47 -0400, Pat Farrell <pfar...@pfarrell.com> wrote:
>
>> Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>> Hmm, come to think of it. Do anyone know if all KS machines were orange,
>>> or did they also come in two colors?
>> I'm pretty sure that the ADP On-site KS were some sort of brown.
>
> I'm pretty sure I've heard the same.
John Everett posted the story about this. They did repaint the skins.
I never met these systems.
>
> Wasn't Barb involved in rescuing some??
Nope.
/BAH
jmfbah
> On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:34:04 -0400, Mike Ross <mi...@corestore.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:15:47 -0400, Pat Farrell <pfar...@pfarrell.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>>> Hmm, come to think of it. Do anyone know if all KS machines were orange,
>>>> or did they also come in two colors?
>>> I'm pretty sure that the ADP On-site KS were some sort of brown.
>> I'm pretty sure I've heard the same.
>>
>> Wasn't Barb involved in rescuing some??
>
> Belay that... it's John Wilson I remember as having some. Bit rot.
<grin> Transforming ASCII John to ASCII Barb is a tad more than a
mere rot.
/BAH
Mike Ross
Well I've been playing with the Dark Side recently... maybe it was ASCII to some
subset of EBCDIC...
Eric Smith
> I'm pretty sure that the ADP On-site KS were some sort of brown.
But only because ADP repainted them.
Rich Alderson
> Bob Koehler skrev:
>> We had a 2050 and a 2060 both in blue cabinets. To my knowledge
>> those two were never orange.
> Weird. I was pretty sure that blue cabinets meant it was -10xx where xx were
> some high number.
The official DEC color scheme for 18- and 36-bit systems (other than the
DECSYSTEM-20) was shades of blue--at least for the 7, 9, 15, 6, and all models
of 10. I *think* I've seen a PDP-4 at the Compuer History Museum, but I don't
remember what color it was for certain--I was looking for a KA10 at the time.
> We still have two KL10s at Update. Both are -2060s, and both are orange.
> Stacken, at KTH in Stockholm, have a bunch of blue KL10s. All are
> DECsystem-10 machine. There are (were?) also a few orange ones, and those
> were DECSYSTEM-20 machines.
I'll remind you that the PDPplanet Tops-10 system is a 2065. It's painted
orange and ran TOPS-20 from its first delivery, to Anistics in Menlo Park
(well, that part of the Bay Area), through its sojourn at cisco, and on to XKL,
where after its retirement as the development machine (we had enough Toads
in-house :-), I tried to put Tops-10 v7.04 on it so we could do development on
porting that to the Toad-1 System.
Primary customer lost funding, we canceled the project, and eventually we let
the 2065 go to its current owner. Where I put Tops-10 v7.04 on it by using the
KLAD installation instead of the official one.
> But maybe my sample still was too small to actually tell. I would guess the
> total number of KL machines I've inspected are no more than 10.
> Hmm, come to think of it. Do anyone know if all KS machines were orange, or
> did they also come in two colors?
From DEC? They were all orange. (And I won't get into the "What is the name
of the color called?" argument. Thank you, Mr. Dodgson.)
--
Rich Alderson "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."
ne...@alderson.users.panix.com --Death, of the Endless
John Santos
> Johnny Billquist <b...@update.uu.se> writes:
>
>
>>Bob Koehler skrev:
>
>
>>> We had a 2050 and a 2060 both in blue cabinets. To my knowledge
>>> those two were never orange.
>
>
>>Weird. I was pretty sure that blue cabinets meant it was -10xx where xx were
>>some high number.
>
>
> The official DEC color scheme for 18- and 36-bit systems (other than the
> DECSYSTEM-20) was shades of blue--at least for the 7, 9, 15, 6, and all models
> of 10. I *think* I've seen a PDP-4 at the Compuer History Museum, but I don't
> remember what color it was for certain--I was looking for a KA10 at the time.
>
The psych department at Harvard used to have a PDP-4 (and a PDP-9) in their
computer lab. I helped a friend implement TECO on it. (I wrote the octal
and decimal string to integer conversion routines...) I don't remember
what colors they were, though. I *think* the PDP-4 was silvery (burnished
aluminum?), but it may have had a dark blue or black front panel (with all
the toggle switches.) I used the PDP-9 much less, but I vaguely recall it
being red (maroon?) and orange. IIRC, the PDP-4 looked very similar to
the PDP-1 in Aiken.
--
John Santos
Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.
781-861-0670 ext 539
Bob Koehler
>
> The psych department at Harvard used to have a PDP-4 (and a PDP-9) in their
> computer lab.
The fist computer I programmed on was a PDP-10. I don't recall
any orange or blue on the cabinet. It was in tall cabinets, I
think open-top like a lot of PDP-11 cabinets.
jmfbahciv
> In article <jA34k.35786$lE3.13629@trnddc05>, John Santos <jo...@egh.com> writes:
>> The psych department at Harvard used to have a PDP-4 (and a PDP-9) in their
>> computer lab.
>
> The fist computer I programmed on was a PDP-10. I don't recall
> any orange or blue on the cabinet. It was in tall cabinets,
Then it was blue.
> I think open-top like a lot of PDP-11 cabinets.
Open-top? I don't know what you mean.
/BAH
Bob Koehler
>
>> I think open-top like a lot of PDP-11 cabinets.
>
> Open-top? I don't know what you mean.
The blue and the orange DEC cabinets that I'm familiar with were
about 5 feet high (I could just see over them), and had blue or
orange sheet metal tops that you could sit things on. I recall
these from DECSYSTEM-10, DECSYSTEM-20, and VAX systems.
http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/digital/timeline/1976-1.htm
http://research.microsoft.com/~GBell/Digital/timeline/1977-3.htm
PDP-11/70, PDP-15, and many others were in racks over 6 feet tall
with open tops or fans mounted in the top and you could not sit
things on top of them.
http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/digital/timeline/1975-2.htm
http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/digital/timeline/1969-3.htm
I think the first PDP-10 I worked on was in cabinets more like the
latter than the former. I distinctly recall the second in the
DECSYSTEM-10 arangement more like the former.
Mike Iglesias
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
>Bob Koehler wrote:
>> In article <jA34k.35786$lE3.13629@trnddc05>, John Santos <jo...@egh.com> writes:
>>> The psych department at Harvard used to have a PDP-4 (and a PDP-9) in their
>>> computer lab.
>>
>> The fist computer I programmed on was a PDP-10. I don't recall
>> any orange or blue on the cabinet. It was in tall cabinets,
>
>Then it was blue.
The dual CPU KA-10 and single KI-10 we had a *very* long time ago
(early '70s) were black. Other equipment we purchased for the KI had
blue panels (MH-10 for example).
Stacken took our KI-10 when we decommisioned it, packed it into a shipping
container (along with several cases of Coca-Cola) and sent it off to Sweden.
They got pretty much everything working when it got there.
--
Mike Iglesias Email: igle...@uci.edu
University of California, Irvine phone: 949-824-6926
Network & Academic Computing Services FAX: 949-824-2069
Eric Smith
> The official DEC color scheme for 18- and 36-bit systems (other than the
> DECSYSTEM-20) was shades of blue--at least for the 7, 9, 15, 6, and all models
> of 10. I *think* I've seen a PDP-4 at the Compuer History Museum, but I don't
> remember what color it was for certain--I was looking for a KA10 at the time.
The PDP-1, PDP-4, PDP-5, PDP-6, and PDP-7 all used the old-style
cabinets, with "CAB-n" part numbers, and were all the same shade of
blue, not so much because they were all 18/36 bit, as because that was
their standard cabinet color. The rack-mount verion of the original
PDP-8 (straight-8) was also in an old-style cabinet.
I think the PDP-9 was the first one to use the H960 family of
cabinets, and color variations by product or product line started
appearing around that time. IIRC, the KA10 and KI10 cabinets were
derived from the H960 design.
Eric Smith
> The blue and the orange DEC cabinets that I'm familiar with were
> about 5 feet high (I could just see over them), and had blue or
> orange sheet metal tops that you could sit things on. I recall
> these from DECSYSTEM-10, DECSYSTEM-20, and VAX systems.
Those were the "corporate" cabinets. Used on all DECSYSTEM-20 machines,
and later DECsystem-10 machines (1091, 1095). Earlier
PDP-10s (KA10, KI10, and the 1080 and 1090 KL10 used the tall cabinets.
> PDP-11/70, PDP-15, and many others were in racks over 6 feet tall
> with open tops or fans mounted in the top and you could not sit
> things on top of them.
I don't think any of them had "open tops", at least not as delivered by DEC.
jmfbahciv
> In article <c7ydnUOvObO7wc_V...@rcn.net>,
> jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
>> Bob Koehler wrote:
>>> In article <jA34k.35786$lE3.13629@trnddc05>, John Santos <jo...@egh.com> writes:
>>>> The psych department at Harvard used to have a PDP-4 (and a PDP-9) in their
>>>> computer lab.
>>> The fist computer I programmed on was a PDP-10. I don't recall
>>> any orange or blue on the cabinet. It was in tall cabinets,
>> Then it was blue.
>
> The dual CPU KA-10 and single KI-10 we had a *very* long time ago
> (early '70s) were black.
They had blue skins. Underneath the console table were blue. Skins
were the the things that could be removed. I think the black that
you remember was the DECtape drives and the paper tape readers/punches.
> Other equipment we purchased for the KI had
> blue panels (MH-10 for example).
>
> Stacken took our KI-10 when we decommisioned it, packed it into a shipping
> container (along with several cases of Coca-Cola) and sent it off to Sweden.
> They got pretty much everything working when it got there.
>
I keep forgetting what I've heard about them. Are they the people who
had PDP-10s installed in a parking lot?
/BAH
jmfbahciv
tall cabinets were blue.
/BAH
jmfbahciv
I'm unaware of any. Anybody who ran a system without the protective
grill covering was asking for a million dollar boat anchor.
You could not set a lot of stuff on top without getting the overtemp
light to stay on. Then you also had a million dollar boat anchor.
/BAH
SDF Poster
> container (along with several cases of Coca-Cola) and sent it off to Sweden.
> They got pretty much everything working when it got there.
It was Cherry Coke right? And some or all of it exploded in transit or
was that just a joke that became a legend?
Johnny Billquist
I think that's legend. I've seen several of the machines, and if cokes would
have exploded near them I doubt we could have gotten them clean again.
Bruce Cook
> Johnny Billquist <b...@update.uu.se> writes:
>
>> Bob Koehler skrev:
>
>>> We had a 2050 and a 2060 both in blue cabinets. To my knowledge
>>> those two were never orange.
>
>> Weird. I was pretty sure that blue cabinets meant it was -10xx where xx
>> were some high number.
>
> The official DEC color scheme for 18- and 36-bit systems (other than the
> DECSYSTEM-20) was shades of blue--at least for the 7, 9, 15, 6, and all
> models
> of 10. I *think* I've seen a PDP-4 at the Compuer History Museum, but I
> don't remember what color it was for certain--I was looking for a KA10 at
> the time.
I have a '70 in a blue KL cab with blue front panel (console not cabinet)
labelled DECdataSYSTEM (I think that is the case used). Was this an
official product line or some hybrid that has been made up. From memory
the date on the tag was 1979.
From memory (it's in a container with a KL right now) it came with MK-11
memory with battery backup and 2 RH70s loaded. I got the machine with a
pair of RM80 and a pair of RM03.
Bruce
John Dundas
Bruce Cook <bruce-...@noreplybicycle.synonet.comnoreply> wrote:
> Rich Alderson wrote:
>
> > Johnny Billquist <b...@update.uu.se> writes:
> >
> >> Bob Koehler skrev:
> >
> >>> We had a 2050 and a 2060 both in blue cabinets. To my knowledge
> >>> those two were never orange.
> >
> >> Weird. I was pretty sure that blue cabinets meant it was -10xx where xx
> >> were some high number.
> >
> > The official DEC color scheme for 18- and 36-bit systems (other than the
> > DECSYSTEM-20) was shades of blue--at least for the 7, 9, 15, 6, and all
> > models
> > of 10. I *think* I've seen a PDP-4 at the Compuer History Museum, but I
> > don't remember what color it was for certain--I was looking for a KA10 at
> > the time.
>
> I have a '70 in a blue KL cab with blue front panel (console not cabinet)
> labelled DECdataSYSTEM (I think that is the case used). Was this an
> official product line or some hybrid that has been made up. From memory
> the date on the tag was 1979.
Official product. It was one of the variations of the /70. I have
another, the (maybe) more familiar maroon.
John
Eric Smith
> I have a '70 in a blue KL cab with blue front panel (console not cabinet)
> labelled DECdataSYSTEM (I think that is the case used).
I have one too, but it's not a "KL cab" and has NOTHING to do with the KL10.
It's just a corporate cabinet similar to that of the tall version of the
PDP-11/60.
> Was this an official product line or some hybrid that has been made up.
It was an "official" product. Typical designation is DECdatasystem 570;
perhaps there may have been others.
Johnny Billquist
> Rich Alderson wrote:
>
>> Johnny Billquist <b...@update.uu.se> writes:
>>
>>> Bob Koehler skrev:
>>>> We had a 2050 and a 2060 both in blue cabinets. To my knowledge
>>>> those two were never orange.
>>> Weird. I was pretty sure that blue cabinets meant it was -10xx where xx
>>> were some high number.
>> The official DEC color scheme for 18- and 36-bit systems (other than the
>> DECSYSTEM-20) was shades of blue--at least for the 7, 9, 15, 6, and all
>> models
>> of 10. I *think* I've seen a PDP-4 at the Compuer History Museum, but I
>> don't remember what color it was for certain--I was looking for a KA10 at
>> the time.
>
> I have a '70 in a blue KL cab with blue front panel (console not cabinet)
> labelled DECdataSYSTEM (I think that is the case used). Was this an
> official product line or some hybrid that has been made up. From memory
> the date on the tag was 1979.
That was an official packaging of the 11/70, yes.
jmfbahciv
> Bruce Cook skrev:
>> Rich Alderson wrote:
>>
>>> Johnny Billquist <b...@update.uu.se> writes:
>>>
>>>> Bob Koehler skrev:
>>>>> We had a 2050 and a 2060 both in blue cabinets. To my knowledge
>>>>> those two were never orange.
>>>> Weird. I was pretty sure that blue cabinets meant it was -10xx where xx
>>>> were some high number.
>>> The official DEC color scheme for 18- and 36-bit systems (other than the
>>> DECSYSTEM-20) was shades of blue--at least for the 7, 9, 15, 6, and all
>>> models
>>> of 10. I *think* I've seen a PDP-4 at the Compuer History Museum, but I
>>> don't remember what color it was for certain--I was looking for a
>>> KA10 at
>>> the time.
>>
>> I have a '70 in a blue KL cab with blue front panel (console not cabinet)
>> labelled DECdataSYSTEM (I think that is the case used). Was this an
>> official product line or some hybrid that has been made up. From memory
>> the date on the tag was 1979.
>
> That was an official packaging of the 11/70, yes.
But that's not a KL-10. :-)
I vaguely recall the product name but I can't remember who the
target customer was. Was there a software package that went
with the system?
/BAH
Bill Pechter
Bruce Cook <bruce-...@noreplybicycle.synonet.comnoreply> wrote:
Sounds like the DECDataSYSTEM570. The 11/74's looked similar (I had
some KB11-Cm prints and some split-up 11/74 parts that had the blue and
white front panels with (IIRC) dark blue and light blue toggles.
The DECDataSYSTEM 570, IIRC, was a standard 11/70 packaged with some
software (RSTS/E IIRC)... It wasn't a special one-off just a marketing
package. It was one of the last 11/70 packages I saw in the Field
and it was in the 11/780 looking corporate cabinets (including the very
late ones in the 82-83 timeframe with the extra FCC shielding).
I saw some pictures somewhere of one on the net. They were fairly
common in the mid '80's.
Bill
--
--
Be comforted that in the face of all erridity and disallusionment, and
despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in
computer maintainance. --Deteriorata (pechter-at-gmail-dot-com)
David Evans
Bill Pechter <pec...@pcp09822625pcs.eatntn01.nj.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>I saw some pictures somewhere of one on the net.
These?
http://bcr2.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ds570/
--
David Evans dfe...@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca
Research Associate http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/
Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge
bob
get some business and office attention. DecSystem was also used on the
8 line, the color change and packaging with business software, was to
compete with wang and ibm system 3. That should jog a couple of memories.
Remember too, there was the typeset families - 8 and 11.
/bob
jmfbahciv
And -10. I don't remember how the typeset systems looked. I never
saw one in the field and the final marketing pictures rarely crossed my
desk.
/BAH
Carl Appellof
"Mike Ross" <mi...@corestore.org> wrote in message
news:q9aj44hukdr13dluv...@4ax.com...
> Read my webpage:
>
> http://www.corestore.org/DEC2065.htm
>
> There's an interesting story as to why it's blue... if you scrape off the
> blue,
> it's orange beneath :-)
>
Reminds me of a died-in-wool TOPS-10 developer named Stephan Wolf who went
around spray-painting pumpkins blue.
Carl
John Santos
says...
I had a customer who had two of these they bought on the used market.
Early 1980's, IIRC.
One of them came with a traditional maroon front panel, and the DEC FS
guy who was doing the acceptance testing (so the customer could put them
on support) ordered a blue front panel for it so it would match the cab.
There was no reason for this, the front panel worked fine, but it made
him happy. (My guess is most likely the original front panel broke and
the original owner got a replacement from spares. Maybe all they had in
stock were maroon ones, or maybe the previous servicedroid knew it
didn't make any difference.)
--
John
jmfbahciv
/BAH