"Dude, You're NOT Getting a Dell!"
Dan Cloutier
Subject: To all of my friends
I am writing this because I feel every Firearms owner should know this
story.
I placed an order for a Dell notebook computer on February 13 on line
with Dell. I was given a tentative delivery date of February 21st. I was
watching the order through the Dell on line tracking system; I also
opted for the automatic email notification of when the machine was to be
shipped.
Well the 21st came and went, I am a Pistolsmith I know things
can happen. I made a phone call on the 25th, did a voice mail message
for my salesman to get back to me and I was looking for the delivery
date.
The 25th came and went with no callback. On the 26th I placed
another call this time to cancel the order. After a few hours I got a
call back, with this amazing reason for the delay. It seems someone in
Dell had already canceled my order, when I asked why I was told Dell was
afraid I was going to use the machine for illegal purposes.
When I askedwhy someone would think that I was told
it was because of the name of my business "Weigand Combat Handguns Inc.".
Because I am involved in firearms I might be doing something illegal. Now keep
in mind I was never called or informed of this decision the order was just
canceled.
Many of you know me personally and know I run my business about as
squeaky clean as possible. In addition being the President of the
American Pistolsmiths Guild I am under additional scrutiny as to how I
run my business, if I am not clean how can I be the President of an
organization that promotes just that! I was informed by a Dell
supervisor not long after all of this the reason I was refused was
because of their post September 11th policy of screening buyers.
I would like to respectfully ask the firearms community to do the
following. If you intended to buy a Dell and because of this letter you
do not, email Dell and let them know why. Feel free to distribute this
account to all you know in the Firearms community, I think they need to
know.
I for one am sick and tired of people assuming just because we are
involved with firearms that we are doing something illegal. I also do
not believe Dell deserves our business if this is how they intend to
treat us.
God Bless
Jack Weigand
President
American Pistolsmiths Guild Inc.
==============================
The Second Amendment IS Homeland Security!
katanaz
website:
http://delltalk.us.dell.com/messages/frame_message_view.asp?name=genquest&id
=zzgnt&bandwidth=fra
"Dan Cloutier" <cor...@bicnet.net> wrote in message
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Jihad Joe
INTEROFFICE TERRORGRAM
SUBJECT: Company Names
FROM: Achmed
TO: All Holy War Personnel
It has come to out attention here at Jihad HQ that some of you are
ordering supplies and equipment without putting much thought into the
names of your cover operations.
Recently, an order of 10,000 lbs of C4 was denied when the supplier
discovered the order was being delivered to the Kill The Foreign
Devils Supply Company.
Just a few days ago, computer equipment which was to be used to
formulate Pan-Islamic nuclear weaponry was delayed because the order
was placed by the Death To America Import Export Company.
Jumping Jihad! Don't you people think at ALL?!?!?!? They are LOOKING
for names like this! Use a little common sense in the future.
Destructively yours,
Achmed
Robert Dubenezic
Dan Cloutier
>I don't see the problem
Why? Do you think a gunsnith should not be able to buy a Dell computer?
Or do you think that Jack Weigand (or people like him) is (are) a danger to
society?
Hank Oredson
>
>
> Subject: To all of my friends
>
> I am writing this because I feel every Firearms owner should know this
> story.
OMIGOD! The sky IS falling! DELL made a mistake!
Horror upon horror, better tell the world about it.
Oh wait, DELL already DID tell the world about it ...
... never mind ...
--
... Hank
Andrew Wagstaff
piece of literature, posted in a public forrum"
take a bow
paul
Jihad Joe wrote in message <86er7uk6mc29iio71...@4ax.com>...
Hank Arnold
being used for illegal purposes. Was their filter causing problems? Yeah.
Were they wrong to try and do it? No. 9/11 changed everything.
I do ding Dell for not having a process that notified you immediately that
your order was being cancelled. *That* was bad customer treatment. You
deserve to be pissed. Does it require a letter writing campaign. Depends on
the reply you got from Dell (you did write them about this, didn't you??).
--
"If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you".
Regards,
Hank Arnold
"Dan Cloutier" <cor...@bicnet.net> wrote in message
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WSZsr
apology.
"Dan Cloutier" <cor...@bicnet.net> wrote in message
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Jim Higgins
to stiff firearms owners by cozying up to the Brady Bunch at the likes of
HCI. What else is he up to that he hasn't been caught at yet?
There is a Second Amendment and for Dell to apologize only because they were
caught in the act is shameful.
"WSZsr" <w...@earthling.net> wrote in message
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WSZsr
because he was caught? Give me a break!
"Jim Higgins" <jhig...@iserv.net> wrote in message
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Bill Smith
>I would have been more objective if you had also posted Michael Dell's
>apology.
>
Read it again. The apology that wasn't. Dell donates a piece of each
sale to HCI. What does that tell you?
Bill Smith
Dr. Bob
wrote:
>>I would have been more objective if you had also posted Michael Dell's
>>apology.
>Read it again. The apology that wasn't. Dell donates a piece of each
>sale to HCI. What does that tell you?
Boycott Dell Computer.
Time has come to take a stand and teach the FarLeft hoplophobes that
it does not pay to demonize gun owners, especially Texas gun owners
(see below).
Dell computers are too expensive anyway. You can get the same basic
functionality for half the price in a generic machine at Best Buy.
It looks like the leftists have pretty much taken over the PRA(*). A
drive through the UT campus is like a tour of some freak village in a
Felini movie.
When God decides to give Texas an enema to clean all the shit out, the
tip is going to be inserted in Austin. And thank God we have Texas A&M
to shove it in hard.
(*) Peoples' Republic of Austin
-----
Gun Owners Rally Around Man Denied Computer By Dell
By Brian McWilliams, Newsbytes
AUSTIN, TEXAS, U.S.A.,
27 Feb 2002, 5:11 PM CST
Some gun owners are outraged over Dell Computer's initial refusal to
sell a notebook computer to a Pennsylvania man because his company
deals in combat handguns.
According to Jack Weigand, his Feb. 13 telephone order for a Dell
Inspiron notebook PC was automatically canceled days later by the
computer maker's export department because his company's name, Weigand
Combat Handguns Inc., raised a red flag.
"They told me they were afraid I would use the computer for illegal
purposes. Somehow I was singled out," said Weigand, who is president
of the American Pistolsmiths Guild and a gunsmith instructor for the
National Rifle Association, in an interview today.
Weigand said he was informed by a Dell salesperson that the company
implemented an order screening system following the Sept. 11 attacks
on America.
"If computers are dangerous, the scary thing here is that I could have
just walked up to Best Buy and purchased one," said Weigand, who holds
a federal firearms license from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and
Firearm's National Licensing Center.
After complaining to the Dell sales rep, Weigand received an apology
by e-mail from a supervisor who offered to put his order through. But
Weigand said he has no interest in doing business with Dell any
longer.
In a statement, Dell chairman Michael Dell today confirmed that the
company cancelled Weigand's order "to give us enough time to follow up
with the customer and be assured that the sale would be in compliance
with U.S. export law." According to Dell, the computer firm erred in
not contacting Weigand and did not live up to its service standards.
On Tuesday, Weigand posted a description of his run-in with Dell at
his Web site and in three online forums, including one for Ruger
pistol owners.
The message, which was redistributed on Internet newsgroups and by
e-mail, concluded with a virtual call to arms.
"I for one am sick and tired of people assuming just because we are
involved with firearms that we are doing something illegal. I also do
not believe Dell deserves our business if this is how they intend to
treat us," said the posting.
Messages of support from other gun owners have subsequently poured in
to Weigand's e-mail in-box and to online message boards.
"What's next, background checks on Dell Computers?" wrote one
participant who called for a boycott of the company in a newsgroup for
gun owners in Dell's home state of Texas.
According to Weigand, his encounter with Dell has touched a nerve with
many gun owners.
"People in the firearms community are passionate about our rights.
There's been a lot of talk about profiling lately, and this incident
is viewed by many as an instance of that," said Weigand in the
interview.
Dell's leader said the company does not discriminate against any
business, "regardless of the products or services they sell, nor do we
discriminate against individual consumers. We do, however, sometimes
make mistakes, as we did in this case."
Weigand's firm, which he described as a two-man operation, performs
customizing, such as adding scope mounts, on several makes of
firearms. After Sept. 11, Weigand said he will no longer do business
with customers outside the U.S.
Weigand's site is at
<http://www.jackweigand.com>http://www.jackweigand.com .
Dell is at <http://www.dell.com>http://www.dell.com .
Reported by Newsbytes,
<http://www.newsbytes.com>http://www.newsbytes.com .
Dr. Bob
"What is the State? The State is people - people who believe
they have a right to rule others. These people are the theiving,
murdering brutes responsible for war, conscription, taxation,
massacres, slave camps, gas chambers, killing fields, nuclear
missles, and endless death stretching back ten thousand years.
Luckily for all, the State is only people. And, generally, the
least competent of people. They are the ones who cannot innovate,
only steal. They cannot reason, only kill. They are brutes who
see the greatest efforts of mankind as loot to seize and control.
Yet when they seize the creations of greater minds, the works
crumble in their hands, for they cannot control what they are
incapable of understanding."
-- Victor Koman, "Kings of the High Frontier"
Gretchen Evans
wrote:
>Seems like Michael Dell is apologizing *only* because he was caught trying
>to stiff firearms owners by cozying up to the Brady Bunch at the likes of
>HCI. What else is he up to that he hasn't been caught at yet?
>
>There is a Second Amendment and for Dell to apologize only because they were
>caught in the act is shameful.
>
Not a Constitutional Attorney but I doubt that the Second Amendment
applies to the sales of computers to anyone. You're making a huge
flap over what is essentially nothing. Someone made an honest error,
the company apologized, so forget it. Get a life.
Robert Frenchu
Maybe it does- if the government treats encryption exports like
weapons, what makes you think it treats computer hardware any
differently?
Wi...@msn.com
r...@houston.rr.com says...
> Boycott Dell Computer.
>
> Time has come to take a stand and teach the FarLeft hoplophobes that
> it does not pay to demonize gun owners, especially Texas gun owners
This is funny. Just last month I was thinking about taking my business
elsewhere because Michael Dell was so close to GW Bush, and is an
unapologetic republican. Now, I thought, how can any decent human being
(especially a zillionaire) have no apology for being a republican.
But in the end, I realized that their weren't really any viable option,
so once again, I'm forced to do business with the selfish and greedy.
What ya gonna do...
Hans Bergengren
"Dr. Bob" <r...@houston.rr.com>
> Time has come to take a stand and teach the FarLeft hoplophobes that
> it does not pay to demonize gun owners, especially Texas gun owners
Things like what you say right there is substantiation for those that say
many gun owners in the US are not only off their rockers, they're friggin'
taliban-level fanatic zealots.
You REALLY think more guns is what the US needs?
> It looks like the leftists have pretty much taken over the PRA(*).
Nuttin' wrong with being leftist.
You go and learn what being a leftist really means before you open your gob,
thank you. I can teach you some if you're interested, but I guess you'd
rather keep your pre-concieved ideas instead. But go ahead, surprise me.
Maybe you right-wingers do have a brain after all. :-)
> When God decides to give Texas an enema to clean all the shit out, the
> tip is going to be inserted in Austin. And thank God we have Texas A&M
> to shove it in hard.
Yup. Zealot fanatics, that's the word... I wouldn't hold my breath for that
enema of yours, after all, the christian god (like all other gods) are all
fake anyway.
Bye!
/HB.
RD Thompson
news:2Owf8.28955$l93.5...@newsb.telia.net:
>
> "Dr. Bob" <r...@houston.rr.com>
>
>> Time has come to take a stand and teach the FarLeft hoplophobes that
>> it does not pay to demonize gun owners, especially Texas gun owners
>
> Things like what you say right there is substantiation for those that
> say many gun owners in the US are not only off their rockers, they're
> friggin' taliban-level fanatic zealots.
>
> You REALLY think more guns is what the US needs?
The option of making a living in a legal business which deals with guns is
the point.
>> It looks like the leftists have pretty much taken over the PRA(*).
>
> Nuttin' wrong with being leftist.
That depends on just is entailed by it. Just like you feel about the
conservatives or those on the right.
--
Sleep well tonight.........
RD (The Sandman)
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/rdsandman
Whether a gun is used to save a life or to illegally
take one, the only difference is whose hands are
in control of that gun. The gun itself is neutral.
digger
>
> "Dr. Bob" <r...@houston.rr.com>
>
> > Time has come to take a stand and teach the FarLeft hoplophobes that
> > it does not pay to demonize gun owners, especially Texas gun owners
>
> Things like what you say right there is substantiation for those that say
> many gun owners in the US are not only off their rockers, they're friggin'
> taliban-level fanatic zealots.
>
> You REALLY think more guns is what the US needs?
Perhaps YOU need a reading comprehension course, since the poster that
you criticise said NOTHING about wanting either more OR less guns. He
merely is objecting to the fact that gun OWNERS are made the objects of
ridicule, suspicion, and illogical reaction. Much of that coming from a
very specific political orientation.
>
> > It looks like the leftists have pretty much taken over the PRA(*).
>
> Nuttin' wrong with being leftist.
If you KNOW what being a "leftist" means, in the CLASSIC sense of the
term.
>
> You go and learn what being a leftist really means before you open your gob,
> thank you. I can teach you some if you're interested, but I guess you'd
> rather keep your pre-concieved ideas instead. But go ahead, surprise me.
> Maybe you right-wingers do have a brain after all. :-)
Perhaps you need a lesson yourself, since it apears that you have NO
idea what the term "leftist" NOW means.
Once, a long time ago, I was a "leftist" in the CLASSIC sense of the
term. I believed, like MOST American "leftists" did at the time, that
the "liberal" position was one that embraced the concept of equal
justice for all, civil Rights for individuals that are an "inherent"
part of our being human, the idea that the "government" was more
dangerous to the Rights of the people than any other entity, and that
the 1st Amendment INCLUDED the phrase, "...nor prohibiting the free
practice thereof..." when it discussed religious freedom. Religious
TOLERANCE was the accepted "leftist" ideal then.
But, you MODERN ASSHOLE "leftists" have destroyed those ideals
completely. You "preach" hatred of ANY religion, you proclaim that the
"government" GRANTS us Rights, that "equal justice" only applies to
GROUPS, not to individuals, and that "corporations" are the greatest
danger to liberty around.
Worse, you are so IGNORANT of history that you do NOT even understand
the fact that the "leftist" position has been hijacked, and twisted
beyond recognition, by a bunch of immature socialists and whiny brats.
>
> > When God decides to give Texas an enema to clean all the shit out, the
> > tip is going to be inserted in Austin. And thank God we have Texas A&M
> > to shove it in hard.
>
> Yup. Zealot fanatics, that's the word... I wouldn't hold my breath for that
> enema of yours, after all, the christian god (like all other gods) are all
> fake anyway.
You certainly have a Right to hold that opinion, but long ago, in the
days of the REAL "leftists" it was considered VERY impolite to criticise
another person's religious beliefs.
I guess that you BABIES don't understand the concept of politeness
either.
That's why I now call myself a "libertarian", since the word "leftist"
has become a term for those that HATE anyone who disagrees with them.
Mort Davis
Hans Bergengren wrote in message
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>
>"Dr. Bob" <r...@houston.rr.com>
>
>> Time has come to take a stand and teach the FarLeft hoplophobes that
>> it does not pay to demonize gun owners, especially Texas gun owners
>
>Things like what you say right there is substantiation for those that say
>many gun owners in the US are not only off their rockers, they're friggin'
>taliban-level fanatic zealots.
Ah, yes, thus the utter INSANITY of yoyur comment that so proves what you
are.
>
>You REALLY think more guns is what the US needs?
Why not? There's more guns in the USa than ever before and things are just
fine.
>
>> It looks like the leftists have pretty much taken over the PRA(*).
>
>Nuttin' wrong with being leftist.
>
>You go and learn what being a leftist really means before you open your
gob,
>thank you. I can teach you some if you're interested, but I guess you'd
>rather keep your pre-concieved ideas instead. But go ahead, surprise me.
>Maybe you right-wingers do have a brain after all. :-)
And you've gone out of your way to demonstrate why we don't like assholes
like you because?
>
>> When God decides to give Texas an enema to clean all the shit out, the
>> tip is going to be inserted in Austin. And thank God we have Texas A&M
>> to shove it in hard.
>
>Yup. Zealot fanatics, that's the word... I wouldn't hold my breath for that
>enema of yours, after all, the christian god (like all other gods) are all
>fake anyway.
Just like Al Gore.
-*MORT*-
Dr. Bob
wrote:
I offer this crap below as prima facie evidence that leftists are
lunatics. I guess that's why it's called the Loony Left.
---
>Things like what you say right there is substantiation for those that say
>many gun owners in the US are not only off their rockers, they're friggin'
>taliban-level fanatic zealots.
>You REALLY think more guns is what the US needs?
>Nuttin' wrong with being leftist.
>You go and learn what being a leftist really means before you open your gob,
>thank you. I can teach you some if you're interested, but I guess you'd
>rather keep your pre-concieved ideas instead. But go ahead, surprise me.
>Maybe you right-wingers do have a brain after all. :-)
>Yup. Zealot fanatics, that's the word... I wouldn't hold my breath for that
>enema of yours, after all, the christian god (like all other gods) are all
>fake anyway.
> Bye!
>/HB.
---
Dr. Bob
<robert_frenchu@ya_take-out_hoo.com> wrote:
>>Not a Constitutional Attorney but I doubt that the Second Amendment
>>applies to the sales of computers to anyone. You're making a huge
>>flap over what is essentially nothing. Someone made an honest error,
>>the company apologized, so forget it. Get a life.
>Maybe it does- if the government treats encryption exports like
>weapons, what makes you think it treats computer hardware any
>differently?
I heard the govt had someone's Pet Rock on a terrorist list.
After all, it could be thrown through a window.
Robert Dubenezic
Dan Cloutier
>"Dr. Bob" <r...@houston.rr.com>
>> Time has come to take a stand and teach the FarLeft hoplophobes that
>> it does not pay to demonize gun owners, especially Texas gun owners
>Things like what you say right there is substantiation for those that say
>many gun owners in the US are not only off their rockers, they're friggin'
>taliban-level fanatic zealots.
Hey, Hans. Gunowners were just there minding their business, being
law-abiding, and good citizens. Suddenly, out of the mouths of many in
Washington and elsewhere come descriptions of honest, law-abiding gunowners
that include words like, "blood-thirsty," "murderers," "rednecks,"
"beer-guzzling hicks who lie to their wives about where they were all
weekend," "terrorists," "wackos," "sickos," "fanatics." You think the honest
gunowner--who has heretofore been minding his own business, working hard, and
enjoying a LEGAL hobby--is just going to roll over and take that up the ass?
No way.
I'll say it again: Honest, law-abiding gunowners--NOT criminals or murderers
or terrorists--have been called these names, and a lot worse, in an effort to
demonize them to make severely intrusive legislation more pallatible to the
general public (all with the willing participation of the press). To idly
sit by and allow such Goebbels-like propaganda to stand unchallenged would be
a worse sin than the creation of the propaganda itself.
'Nuf said.
Talkin Horse
just a little bit jumpy after the attacks. I try to keep in mind that I have
vastly more in common with my political opposition (even though they are
idiots) than with the barbarians who want to murder us.
Dan Cloutier
I'd say the general public is certainly jumpy. But the opposition (in this
case, the anti-gunners), ever ready to dance in blood, is opportunistic and
cynical.
Jim McCartan
What's a gunsnith?
Frank Ney
cor...@bicnet.net (Dan Cloutier) to write in talk.politics.guns :
>I'll say it again: Honest, law-abiding gunowners--NOT criminals or murderers
>or terrorists--have been called these names, and a lot worse, in an effort to
>demonize them to make severely intrusive legislation more pallatible to the
>general public (all with the willing participation of the press).
Indeed. And my favorite response to such a gun-grabbing zealot is, "If you
truly believe the crap you're spouting, WHY ARE YOU HERE IN MY FACE PISSING
ME OFF? Is your life *so* worthless that suicide is the only answer?"
Usually throws them into vapor lock.
Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B LPWV NRA(L) ProvNRA GOA CCRKBA JPFO
--
Black Friday - The name given to October 26th, 2001, the day George W.
Bush signed the "USA PATRIOT Act" which marked the end of the United
States as a democratic republic, and its emergence as a police state.
The only senator to oppose the bill was Russ Feingold, a Wisconsin
senator, who was assassinated 2 years later by agents of the Homeland
Security Office for "seditious criticism of the State."
- Encylopedia Britannica, 2162 CE edition
Just Say No to Gestapo Tactics http://reduce.to/justsayno/
Abuses by the BATF http://www.hamnet.net/~n4zhg/batfabus.html
Doug Jacobs
> lol... you've just won the award for... "Most politically incorrent
> piece of literature, posted in a public forrum"
"Most politically incorrect"? Naw.
Funniest post of the day, on the other hand...
Doug Jacobs
> I don't see the problem
Dell refused to sell the original poster a computer because of the NAME of
his business.
Yeah, yeah, 9/11 scare and all that...but come on!
I suppose if I ran a business called "Bunnies and flowers forever!" that
was dedicated to terrorist activities, I would still be able to buy a
Dell...
Stupid and hypocritical? Yep. I'm rather disappointed with Dell in this
matter...
Doug Jacobs
>> Why? Do you think a gunsnith should not be able to buy a Dell computer?
> What's a gunsnith?
Someone who sells, makes, and modifies guns. There are state laws regarding
what they are allowed to do - for instance, converting a semi-auto weapon
into a full-auto is usually not legal. But modifying the grip of a (LEGAL)
gun would be OK. Making a new barrel for a rifle would be another example
of what a gunsmith can do.
Doug Jacobs
> I applaud the fact that Dell is trying to be sure that their systems are not
> being used for illegal purposes. Was their filter causing problems? Yeah.
> Were they wrong to try and do it? No. 9/11 changed everything.
I think it's BS. What's next? A car dealer refusing to sell you a car
based on your profile?? What gives Dell (or any other retailer) the right
to not sell you an item because it *COULD* be used for something "illegal."
I suppose we should all sue Wallmart, Target, KMart, etc. since they sell
wire coat-hangers, and you KNOW what car thieves use those for!
While we're at it, let's lock up all the locksmiths, since they obviously
only exist to help others to break into other people's property.
Heck, why not lock up Dell, Gateway, etc. since EVERYONE knows that skript
kiddies and "hackers" all use computers - why didn't Dell, Gateway, etc.
stop the sale of their equipment? They must be guilty!
Let's sue the carmakers as well for all the instances of crimes that involved
an automobile. In fact, since ALL automobile related crimes involved the
use of roads as well, let's sue the state and federal road commissions as
well. After all, only criminals use roads, right? :p
Doug Jacobs
> Maybe it does- if the government treats encryption exports like
> weapons, what makes you think it treats computer hardware any
> differently?
Sales to foreign countries is one thing.
However, the system Dell is selling is not covered by the export law,
nor does the export law cover sales to US Citizens.
Garbiologist
"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they
try to take it." -- Thomas Jefferson
Garbiologist
"Dan Cloutier" <cor...@bicnet.net> wrote in message
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: "Talkin Horse" <davidrol...@earthlink.net> cawed:
Austin Bike
of the "axis of evil"? You have an emissary in the US buy the computer and
then export it as an individual.
If you know the government is watching businesses shipping things you act as
an individual - this happens all the time. Did you ever have someone buy
beer for you? You know a liquor store can't sell to a minor...
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Austin Bike
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Undaunted Infidel
leader that took place in his home in Kabul coupla month ago. In the
background I could clearly see Brand New Macintosh Computer with all the
trimmings. If that ragtop could get his hands on the top of the line
computer than why would anyone else have problem with obtaining a computer.
--
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsel or arms, crouch down and lick the hands that
feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you. And may posterity
forget that ye were our countrymen."
-Samuel Adams
"Austin Bike" <pep...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Bill Smith
wrote:
>THAT is a lie. What is your proof of this?
>
My mistake. Dell gets donates a piece of each sale to HCI when they
get a referral from HCI's site. That's still good for me to boycott
their products.
Bill Smith
Michael Napier
they owe you an apology? And being successful means you are selfish and
greedy?
--
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