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species8350

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Dec 28, 2009, 10:43:32 AM12/28/09
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Hi,

I am thinking of buying a wi-fi card for my PC (DELL Dimension).
Running Vista 32 bit

D-Link DWL-G510 PCI Card looks good

Anyone any experience.

It has a low profile back plane, will it fit my case?

Thanks

Ben Myers

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Dec 28, 2009, 11:23:34 AM12/28/09
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Questions:

Which model of Dell Dimension do you have?

Is it a system with full-height slots for add-in cards or one with
so-called low-profile slots?

If the latter, an USB wifi stick is probably your best choice. I am
partial to Linksys, but there are other good ones, too. I am unaware of
the existence of any low-profile PCI wifi cards. The DWL-G510 looks
like a full-height PCI card... Ben Myers

species8350

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Dec 28, 2009, 11:32:48 AM12/28/09
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Its advertised with an Extra Low Proflle Back Plane

My case is Dimension E520 - Looks normal size to me

Ben Myers

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Dec 28, 2009, 1:26:00 PM12/28/09
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AFAIK, the E520 was not made with low profile slots. But you might as
well find out for sure. Take a ruler or tape measure and measure the
approximate size of the board slot openings. Four inches or so is the
length of a full height opening. 2 3/4" is the length of a low profile
slot opening. If the system has full height slots, you will be fine
with the DWL-G510... Ben Myers

RnR

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Dec 28, 2009, 10:33:11 PM12/28/09
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:23:34 -0500, Ben Myers <ben_...@charter.net>
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I thought some time ago others told me that the usb wifi sticks don't
work well ???? I can't speak from any experience since I never used
one. I almost considered buying one till others said they didn't
work well.

Gary Baldi

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Dec 29, 2009, 12:56:27 AM12/29/09
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On Dec 29, 3:33 am, "RnR" <rnrte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I thought some time ago others told me that the usb wifi sticks don't
> work well ????    I can't speak from any experience since I never used
> one.   I almost considered buying one till others said they didn't
> work well.  - Hide quoted text -
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I had a Dimension 8400 and used a BlueNEXT BN-WD54G which I got off of
Fleabay for about a fiver (if memory serves).

Worked really well.

Ben Myers

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Dec 29, 2009, 1:28:22 AM12/29/09
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I much prefer internal PCI wifi cards.

But with the low-profile PCI slots, USB wifi is the only game in town.
I have never seen a low-profile PCI wifi card. There just are not that
many systems with low-profile slots for a card manufacturer to make one.
Of the computers with low-profile PCI slots, I would guess that the
large majority of them are attached to the world with Cat 5 cables, not
wifi. It's only when a low-profile system sneaks out of corporate
America into the hands of a consumer that the need for a wifi card might
exist. Of course, you could cut, twist, bend and shape another slot
adapter to use a PCI wifi card in a low-profile slot. That's too much
work for me... Ben Myers

RnR

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Dec 29, 2009, 9:24:45 AM12/29/09
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:28:22 -0500, Ben Myers <ben_...@charter.net>
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I gotcha Ben. Thanks.

RnR

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Dec 29, 2009, 9:25:57 AM12/29/09
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Thanks Gary. Good to know in case.

Tom Lake

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Dec 29, 2009, 11:09:09 AM12/29/09
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"species8350" <not_here.5....@xoxy.net> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I am thinking of buying a wi-fi card for my PC (DELL Dimension).
> Running Vista 32 bit
>
> D-Link DWL-G510 PCI Card looks good
>
> Anyone any experience.

I've never had a good experience with D-Link. I had one of their
wireless routers and it was replaced three times under warranty.
I finally switched to Linksys and have had no problems. Likewise
I had some of their internal wireless cards and they had problems
holding a signal. I replaced those with Linksys as well and again,
the problems went away.

Tom Lake

Ben Myers

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Dec 29, 2009, 8:42:23 PM12/29/09
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One more thought about USB wifi. A lot of people stuff their desktop
computers into furniture made especially for this purpose. So the
computer is in a cramped unventilated space with a lot of wood and some
metal to dampen or deflect wifi signals. In some of these situations, a
USB wifi adapter on the end of a USB extension cable works better than a
PCI wifi adapter down in the back of the computer somewhere, simply
because the USB adapter can be moved around and placed where it gets a
stronger signal.

A few PCI wifi adapters have connectors which allow attachment of all
sorts of wifi antennae, including home-made cantennas based on Pringles
chip containers. These may well be the best for troublesome home or
office wifi... Ben Myers

RnR

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Dec 30, 2009, 8:44:19 AM12/30/09
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:42:23 -0500, Ben Myers <ben_...@charter.net>
wrote:


Good Point ! I hadn't really given it a lot of thought but makes
sense to me. I'm lucky as I don't have a problem with wifi in my home
tho on occasion I see the signal strength drop for no apparent reason
but usually that doesn't cause me any drops 99% of the time. Of
course I've read some do have wifi problems in their homes and likely
it can be caused either by what you said, home construction or near by
objects. But I agree with what you said. I just didn't bother to
give it much thought at the time since I am fighting a minor cold.

Rich/rerat

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Dec 30, 2009, 9:24:55 AM12/30/09
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species8350,
The following product ships with a low-profile bracket, that can be changed
to fit slim PCs:

D-Link WDA-1320 IEEE 802.11b/g 32-bit PCI Wireless G Desktop Adapter ($
39.99 + shpg)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127080&Tpk=WDA-1320%20Wireless%20G%20Desktop%20Adapter

I personally use it in my home network, and it works fine, with my Dell
GX-270. The card you mentioned, D-Link is listing it in their out-dated
product list.
--
Have a Good Day,
Rich/rerat


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Ben Myers

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Dec 30, 2009, 12:28:08 PM12/30/09
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Home networks and small office networks, whether in a home or in an
office park, can be especially challenging. People living in homes
built in the 1800s or earlier don't want to tear down plaster-and-lath
walls to run Cat 5e or Cat 6, which is still the most trouble-free way
to lash a network of computers together. Homes take odd shapes and
often the cable internet comes into the house in a location most distant
from the rest of the house. Then you have 8 or 9 wifi access points
visible in a high-density housing development or an office park, and
three of them have an SSID of linksys and which one is yours? Finally,
there was a computer I delivered and set up way back when and I got the
call saying that it was rebooting every half hour. I went back over
there, sat patiently by the computer until it rebooted at exactly the
same time the refrigerator compressor cut in. Yep! Computer and fridge
on the same circuit, and a computer starved for power when the fridge
took it all.

Happy holidays... Ben

Ben Myers

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Dec 30, 2009, 12:29:34 PM12/30/09
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Rich/rerat wrote:
> species8350,
> The following product ships with a low-profile bracket, that can be changed
> to fit slim PCs:
>
> D-Link WDA-1320 IEEE 802.11b/g 32-bit PCI Wireless G Desktop Adapter ($
> 39.99 + shpg)
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127080&Tpk=WDA-1320%20Wireless%20G%20Desktop%20Adapter
>
> I personally use it in my home network, and it works fine, with my Dell
> GX-270. The card you mentioned, D-Link is listing it in their out-dated
> product list.

If D-Link is not careful, they will acheive total domination of the
low-profile PCI wifi card market. But there is no threat that the DoJ
or the EU will file monopoly charges.

Good info to have! ... Ben Myers

RnR

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Dec 30, 2009, 3:08:28 PM12/30/09
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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:28:08 -0500, Ben Myers <ben_...@charter.net>
wrote:


Good story Ben <smile>. And same to you, your family and everyone
else here (friend or foe).

species8350

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Jan 1, 2010, 5:40:57 AM1/1/10
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On Dec 30 2009, 8:08 pm, "RnR" <rnrte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:28:08 -0500, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net>
> wrote:
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>
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> >RnR wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:42:23 -0500, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net>
> >> wrote:
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> >>> RnR wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:28:22 -0500, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net>
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> >>>>> RnR wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:23:34 -0500, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net>
> else here (friend or foe).  - Hide quoted text -

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I am looking at the wifi cards on the Novatech website.

The DWL-G510 is well reviewed. I don't see end of line as an issue.
Just how well it works.

How important is the type of antenna?
They have an Edimax with a lead to the antenna. is this a big
advantage.
They also have an Edimax with three antennas that supports N
broadcasts. Could this antenna system be an advantage
Their Novatech card has a double dipole antenna. Is this a good idea.

Is the antenna the most important part of the card?

RnR

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Jan 1, 2010, 8:33:15 AM1/1/10
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I'll defer this question to others. I have some experience in
different antennas but I don't consider it enough to answer your
question. Now, if you ask what I think despite what I said above, I
think in theory it does but to be honest, in my large home, my
experience shows little difference. Perhaps my experience is because
I didn't use that different of antennas. As I said, best to ask
others.

I like your question so the answers will add to my knowledge <g>.

Pen

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Jan 1, 2010, 11:43:01 AM1/1/10
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yes, but its importance is directly dependant on what you
are trying to do. In all your posts you have asked
questions, but have not provided any context. Where is the
tower, where i9s the wireless router, distance, walls etc?

Timothy Daniels

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Jan 1, 2010, 12:26:35 PM1/1/10
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Do a Google search on "fractal wifi antennas".
Fractal antennas (PCB etchings of an un-endably
complex shape) are what replaced the stubby
"rectal probe" antennas on cell phones about ten
or 20 years ago. Fractal antennas are both compact
and wide-spectrum (i.e. they don't have to be tuned),
and relatively cheap.

*TimDaniels*


Ben Myers

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Jan 1, 2010, 12:46:14 PM1/1/10
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Never heard of Novatech, but there are now several new brand names in
the field of wifi, as these have all become cheap commodity items.

Antennae, on both the router itself and on a card in a computer become
extremely important if and when one is baffled as to why the wifi signal
at one end of the house is weak at the other end, with wireless 2.4Ghz
phone, microwave ovens and other electronic appliance in between.

On the other hand, if you are lucky (well, maybe not too lucky) and have
placed your boradband modem and wifi router near the center of the
house, and the house is constructed mostly of wood, wifi signal strength
is not a problem and a supplementary antenna really is not needed.

... Ben Myers

Ben Myers

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Jan 1, 2010, 12:47:44 PM1/1/10
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Ah! So that's why my intestines have a ring tone... Ben

Tom Lake

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Jan 1, 2010, 4:28:45 PM1/1/10
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"Ben Myers" <ben_...@charter.net> wrote in message
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The music goes 'round and around
Whoa-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho
And it comes out here

Tom Lake

species8350

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Jan 1, 2010, 9:43:21 PM1/1/10
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On Jan 1, 9:28 pm, "Tom Lake" <tl...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> "Ben Myers" <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote in message

Context.

Tower on first floor, placed on the floor. Room has brick walls,
wooden floor.
Router one floor below (probably will be Thomson). Position uncertain
(not yet arrived).

I think, to be safe, I should have a decent antenna on my PCI card. I
am tempted to think that an antenna with a cable will offer more
options when trying to get a good signal.

Thanks

Boris

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Jan 2, 2010, 7:47:03 PM1/2/10
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species8350 <not_here.5....@xoxy.net> wrote in
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FWIW, I have an E520 with this card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124115&Tpk=wmp54
g or
http://tinyurl.com/ydz9jq4

It was plug and play. The E520 is placed one floor up.

(My home wireless router is a D-link 524. Solid for 4 years...fingers
crossed.)

Boris

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Jan 2, 2010, 7:51:27 PM1/2/10
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Boris <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
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> 54 g or


> http://tinyurl.com/ydz9jq4
>
> It was plug and play. The E520 is placed one floor up.
>
> (My home wireless router is a D-link 524. Solid for 4 years...fingers
> crossed.)
>

P.S. Don't use the install disk. Let Windows install the Ralink
drivers.

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