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Keith

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Nov 5, 2009, 11:14:08 PM11/5/09
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Which is better the Insiron 10 or 10v (N280 Atom vs Z520)?


Ben Myers

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Nov 5, 2009, 11:59:47 PM11/5/09
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Keith wrote:
> Which is better the Inspiron 10 or 10v (N280 Atom vs Z520)?
>
>
The Inspiron 10v is the budget-priced $299 netbook. The Inspiron 10 is
$499.

The 10v uses the older N270 CPU. The 10 uses the newer Z530 and (I
think) a newer Intel chipset. They run at the same clock speed, with
the same front side bus. The Z530 has Intel's virtualization
technology. Neither CPU is 64-bit. The 10 has a built-in TV tuner and
a bigger battery. The rest of the specs appear to be the same.

Do you need virtualization to run two operating systems or two copies of
an OS? Probably not. Do you want a TV tuner? Maybe.

What is the build quality like? I do not know. Maybe someone can
describe the construction of each. They look pretty much alike per the
photos on the Dell web site... Ben Myers

Keith

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Nov 6, 2009, 8:30:30 PM11/6/09
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So what is better for 200 dollars?

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RnR

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Nov 7, 2009, 7:26:05 AM11/7/09
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:30:30 -0700, "Keith" <keith...@hotmail.com>
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Can you get either for $200 ?

Bob Villa

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Nov 7, 2009, 8:29:04 AM11/7/09
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>Can you get either for $200 ?

RnR, you "R" so literal! What do you get for the additional 200?
(10-10v=200)

bob_v

RnR

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Nov 7, 2009, 1:15:58 PM11/7/09
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my bad <g> ????

Keith

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Nov 7, 2009, 2:00:50 PM11/7/09
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Sorry I wasn't more clear.
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RnR

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Nov 7, 2009, 9:37:18 PM11/7/09
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:00:50 -0700, "Keith" <keith...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Sorry I wasn't more clear.


Don't worry about it.
I think getting back to your question, tell us what you want to do and
we'll probably be in a better position to help you.

Bob Villa

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Nov 8, 2009, 9:05:54 AM11/8/09
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On Nov 7, 1:00 pm, "Keith" <keithtu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry I wasn't more clear."RnR" <rnrte...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> > On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:29:04 -0800 (PST), Bob Villa
> > <pheeh.z...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>Can you get either for $200 ?
>
> >>RnR, you "R" so literal! What do you get for the additional 200?
> >>(10-10v=200)
>
> >>bob_v
>
> > my bad  <g>  ????

Some individuals have literal thought processes...they are perfectly
normal.
They may think faster than the average...and they may be more honest,
IMO.

Caution: they may tend to be boring (present company may or may not be
included 8^} )

bob_v

Keith

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Nov 8, 2009, 10:32:17 AM11/8/09
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I am looking for a device that is light enough so I'll carry it arounf (I
have a 5+ pound Inspiron 5000 at work that is too heavy) from which I can
run powerpoints, get email, do web browsing and run applicaitons remotely
via Citrix

I was looking for
-battery life
-weight
-price (if the unit is too expensive, I afraid to take it too many places-
loosing a 300-400 dollar device is much different than loosing a 2500 dollar
laptop)


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BillW50

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Nov 8, 2009, 2:16:08 PM11/8/09
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In news:%vBJm.10419$ZF3....@newsfe13.iad,
Keith typed on Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:32:17 -0700:

> I am looking for a device that is light enough so I'll carry it
> arounf (I have a 5+ pound Inspiron 5000 at work that is too heavy)
> from which I can run powerpoints, get email, do web browsing and run
> applicaitons remotely via Citrix
>
> I was looking for
> -battery life
> -weight
> -price (if the unit is too expensive, I afraid to take it too many
> places- loosing a 300-400 dollar device is much different than
> loosing a 2500 dollar laptop)

Netbooks should do you well for those tasks. Although the big point I
would question is one with a SSD (solid state drive) or one with a hard
drive. SSD have smaller memory, but they can handle portability much
better and they can be picked up and set down a lot without worries.

--
Bill
Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) - Windows XP SP2


Brian K

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Nov 8, 2009, 3:00:43 PM11/8/09
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Keith,

I bought a netbook in June this year. It is so versatile I'd never consider
owning a laptop again.


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BillW50

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Nov 8, 2009, 3:08:22 PM11/8/09
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Brian K typed on Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:00:43 GMT:

> Keith,
>
> I bought a netbook in June this year. It is so versatile I'd never
> consider owning a laptop again.

I know the feeling. As I have five of them and I love them. And I have
used just netbooks months at a time and I don't miss my laptops during
this time. ;-)

Ben Myers

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Nov 8, 2009, 4:51:09 PM11/8/09
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I know what you mean about weight.

If not a netbook, how about any one of the Lenovo/IBM X-series: X30,
X31, X40, X41, X60, X61, X200, X300? The latter are older and available
refurb.

I have used a Pentium 3 X30 for a couple of years. With 1GB of memory,
even with the slower processor, it is OK for my mobile computing needs
running XP. Weight is about 3 1/2 pounds and battery life a couple of
hours on a used battery. There are no compromises regarding computing
power, layout of keyboard or viewable 1024x768 12" screen.

I have to finish rebuilding an X60, which will then become my
on-the-road computer.

These are solidly built, despite the light weight. Easy to repair, like
many Dell laptops. You'll pay larger bucks for a new one than for a
netbook, though... Ben Myers

RnR

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Nov 8, 2009, 6:56:01 PM11/8/09
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:08:22 -0600, "BillW50" <Bil...@aol.kom> wrote:

>In news:LrFJm.53282$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au,
>Brian K typed on Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:00:43 GMT:
>> Keith,
>>
>> I bought a netbook in June this year. It is so versatile I'd never
>> consider owning a laptop again.
>
>I know the feeling. As I have five of them and I love them. And I have
>used just netbooks months at a time and I don't miss my laptops during
>this time. ;-)


Hey Bill, I know I'm being lazy but do you know if the outlet sells
netbooks? One of these days I might buy one tho I don't need one
right now. I don't remember reading if they can run windows 7 but
that wouldn't bother me if I had to run XP instead. Thanks Bill.

BillW50

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Nov 8, 2009, 7:05:54 PM11/8/09
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RnR typed on Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:56:01 -0600:

Netbooks? They are sold all over the place. Too many to number. Yes you
can run Windows 7 on some netbooks, but I don't recommend it. I have it
running on one of mine. Or rather crawling I should say. Windows XP is
so much faster on a netbook. If you like both Windows XP and Windows 7,
I'd stick to XP. ;-)

Brian K

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Nov 8, 2009, 7:17:42 PM11/8/09
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I'm ashamed to say Win7 runs a little faster in my netbook than WinXP. I was
pleasantly surprised. Networking in particular is MUCH faster in Win7. So is
opening Windows Explorer.


BillW50

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Nov 8, 2009, 7:47:01 PM11/8/09
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Brian K typed on Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:17:42 GMT:

> I'm ashamed to say Win7 runs a little faster in my netbook than
> WinXP. I was pleasantly surprised. Networking in particular is MUCH
> faster in Win7. So is opening Windows Explorer.

Really? And what processor are you using? And which drive are you using,
SSD or mechanical hard drive? The former *can* be slow at writing (it
depends on the SSD type). Also this laptop using a Celeron 1.5GHz and a
hard drive (WD PATA 5400 rpm), Windows 7 seems okay in speed (although
XP still seems a hair faster).

Although the big difference is that Windows 7 writes more (can be bad
for some SSD) and uses more CPU power (bad for low powered CPUs) just
for the OS. And under Windows XP this computer for example, CPU
temperature usually sits at 132�F. Although under Windows 7 it usually
sits at 155�F or higher. To give you an idea, 168�F is where it sits at
100% usage.

RnR

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Nov 8, 2009, 7:54:54 PM11/8/09
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Thanks Bill. I'll check out the outlet when I'm ready. I kinda like
it there since all my past purchases have been good experiences (knock
on wood).

BillW50

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Nov 8, 2009, 8:27:36 PM11/8/09
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RnR typed on Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:54:54 -0600:

The only limitations of netbooks are:

1) Slow processors

2) Usually smaller mass storage

3) Lack CD/DVD drives

4) Smaller keyboard

5) Smaller screens

Although a lot of this can be overcome. The *big* plus is they are so
small and portable. Laptops can't even beat the portability-ness. And I
often connect one up to an external monitor, keyboard, and mouse and
*most* people can't tell they are using just a netbook. And you can add
CD/DVD and other storage devices, so most of the limitations disappear.
Plus you still have the portability-ness when you need it. If you are
using a machine 4, 5, or years older, the speed should be okay and
usually faster. ;-)

Brian K

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Nov 8, 2009, 8:38:59 PM11/8/09
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Bill, I'm using a N280 processor (Asus netbook) with 2 GB RAM. I've swapped
out the 160 GB 5400 rpm HD for a 320 GB 7200 rpm HD.

I have several WinXP and Win7 OS on the HD and each is consistent with the
others. I only put Win7 on the netbook to see how slowly it would perform
but I'm using it almost as much as WinXP. I particularly like how it
"instantly" connects to a mapped network drive. WinXP can take 20 to 30
seconds.

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RnR

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Nov 9, 2009, 12:18:40 AM11/9/09
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Thank you Bill. Good info. Appreciate that.

RnR

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Nov 9, 2009, 7:45:49 PM11/9/09
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Today I dropped in a local Sam's Club and they had 3 netbooks of
different brands. I think they were 10" screens and ranged in price
from $280 to $350 or so. I didn't pay a lot of attention to them but
they looked good to me. I would consider one as long as I had a
laptop too. I do like the idea of portability a lot (at least when
I'm out of the house). I'd probably like my laptop better tho when on
my lap, sitting in my archie bunker chair at home, watching tv.

Keith

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Nov 9, 2009, 9:50:23 PM11/9/09
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can they run 32 bit and 64 bit Win 7?


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Brian K

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Nov 9, 2009, 10:04:05 PM11/9/09
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Keith, I'm not sure but I don't think the processor supports 64 bit.

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Ben Myers

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Nov 9, 2009, 11:29:21 PM11/9/09
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32-bit only. Netbook manufacturers have not yet used the Atom processor
that supports 64-bit instructions. They would also have to make
provision to load up with additional memory, which does consume power.
Not sure if and when we'll see 64-bit netbooks. 64-bit computing with a
lot of memory goes against the concept of a netbook that runs for hours
and hours on battery... Ben Myers

BillW50

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Nov 10, 2009, 9:00:16 AM11/10/09
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Walking around with a netbook is very much like walking around with a
book. And they work very well in an Archie Bunker chair as well. And
with their long battery life, you don't need cords if you don't want
too. Even though I still haven't got rid of my laptops either. Although
I don't carry them around as much as I used too. ;-)

--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Xandros Linux (build 2007-10-19 13:03)

RnR

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Nov 10, 2009, 1:17:27 PM11/10/09
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I think the netbooks are an excellent idea for most students or
salespeople too especially outside the house.

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