I was unhappy with my Presario for similar reasons, I think, as yours:
. I found the Shell annoying;
. I found the installled applications even more useless than anoying.
I wanted a plain Win95 install. Here is what I did:
1. I called COMPAQ and ordered, receviced, and applied the new Phone
Center CD softrware. Cost, nothing.
2. I did a START | RUN | SYSEDIT and in WIN.INI I removed all
references at the RUN and LOAD lines EXCEPT for:
. any reference to ANYTHING that had a .DMN reference
. any rerfence to ANYTHING that had TAM in its path
. any reference to a directory that starrted with CPQ
3. I orderd from COMPAQ the new Mediia Pilot Cd, and applied it for
the new TAM (TAPI) drivers;
Now at this point I was very happy. But I wanted a pure Microsoft
Win95 source.
4 I ordred for $14.95 the COMPAQ OSR2 CD
That seems a fair price. But going to 32-bit fats was a litttle bit
much so I:
5. I upgraded my backup system. I use a Travan 3 tape and an IOMEGA
Jazz drive, using Novatronics backup software for SCSI Disk and tape.
I backed up everything, and made sure I could access everything from
DOS in an emergency
6. I purchased Partition Magic.
7, And I am waiting for a god excuse to use delete almost everything,
use PM to create 511 sized volumes, and go tpo OSR2.
I honestly think yourr notion of "scam" here is inappropriate. I like
the fact that IBM. Micron, Gateway and Dell include all the .CABs and
other necessary driver files for their systems as part of their
regular installtion., But I find it a little hard to buy off on
"scam" because COMPAQ did not, and becuase you received poor advice at
alt.2600 for your enclosed CD Restore disk. I agree with you that
doing a restore is a kind of sad joke, but I disagree that with the
idea that is anyone's fault but ours. Back up, test the backup, and
backup again.
My best,
Bill
Don't rely too much on those 31 diskettes. At least with a Presario
laptop, they DO NOT contain all necessary drivers. I tried to install
"vanilla" Windows 95 from the diskettes (after FDISK/FORMATting the hard
drive), and wound up with 16-color VGA, no sound, no modem, and a number
of unknown devices.
KLR
I would of prefered a "clean" Win 95 only, and all of the other preloaded
crap on a cd so I could pick and choose, but do you really think AOL,
Compuserve, GNN, Prodigy, Quicklen, etc would of liked it if their software
was staring you in the face???
Sincerely,
Todd Mcdermott
Bill,
I'm not quite as kind to Compaq as you are. I find it totally
unacceptable that the only way to install the correct drivers for my
Presario 1065 laptop is to use the Compaq recovery CD (which puts back
all the trashware and Compaq "enhancements"). I realize this was
probably a Compaq decision, since they market this unit for newbies (who
they apparently consider are also idiots). I suppose I could create
install diskettes for the drivers by tracing back to the necessary .INF
files, etc., but after six tries to remove trashware and "enhancements",
I'm just depending on backups.
What is my fault was not researching enough before I bought, but at
least, I now know enough to NEVER BUY ANOTHER COMPAQ.
KLR (who had to use video drivers from Dell on his Compaq)
On my Compaq 8712 Presario have not yet been able to change the
"COMPAQ" that comes up center screen at bootup (found the file in C:,
but editing logo.sys [or _logo.sys] and keeping it at 8 bytes resulted
in no "COMPAQ" or whatever I edited COMPAQ to, just a listing of
devices, etc. being loaded.
H O W E V E R the screen that follows - with COMPAQ in the center and
various features circled around it - is a 470kb Corel Photo-Paint file
called start.bmp that I found in C:\Compaq\Support. By editing this file
in Photo-Paint the screen on boot-up (following the lonely "COMPAQ"
center screen) is now a rather abstract art screen.
I too am still interested in a way to replace the original "COMPAQ"
with whatever.
I did get rid of the Homebase icon (kept the .exe and .bmp files just
in case) - may have used TweakIU to remove it from the taskbar - not sure.
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g...@gate.net wrote>
=all...@mail.enterprise1701.com wrote>
==On 28 Mar 1997 12:26:45 GMT, "Mcdermotts" <jt...@gte.net> wrotf:
== I would love to get rid of
==Home Base, and get rid of the Compaq logos at startup, but I haven't
==figured out how to do this yet. Anybody know?
==
SEE CORRECTION ABOVE
=I did get rid of the Homebase icon (kept the .exe and .bmp files just
=in case) - may have used TweakIU to remove it from the taskbar - not sure.
SEE CORRECTION ABOVE
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|__ g...@gate.net ____ ___|
Look for the following signs that you're celebrating too hard:
1) You don't know where you are. 2) Neither does the pig wearing your pants.
>I too thought that the restore cd was a ripoff, as using it seems to be
>Compaq Tech Support fix for most anything. Apparently there is no way to
>safely extract specific files. On the other hand, my Presario also came
>with a "Windows 95 Companion" cd, that has most of the files you may need.
>My system also prompted me to create system disks ( 31 disks, what a pain),
>and I finally did. Those disks are to reinstall Win 95. Support also told
>me that there are backup files in the C:\windows\options\cabs directory,
>which are the ones copied to disks.
(snip)
There is a workaround for not being able to unzip the files on the Restore
CD . If you have the hard drive space, copy the zip files, then go to File:
Properties and uncheck read only. You can then extract specific files from
the copied zip file using any Win95 zip program. It's a pain, but it does
work. I figured this out after the third time I used the Restore CD, and
decided I had other things to do with my life besides reinstalling and then
deleting the preloaded stuff I had no use for. I would love to get rid of
Home Base, and get rid of the Compaq logos at startup, but I haven't
figured out how to do this yet. Anybody know?
I'm glad to get the information on the reason for the windows\options
directory, as I just picked up about 29 megs of disk space by deleting the
darn thing. I don't understand why the Create Disks program doesn't at
least tell you that you can do this when you've made the backup. It's even
more absurd that the Windows 95 Companion CD doesn't have a "setup.exe",
which would avoid the hassle altogether. I'm of the opinion that Presarios
should come marked with a "first-time users only" warning :).
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The reasoning for not including the SETUP.EXE on the W95 Companion CDROM is
simple. Windows '95 is a licensed OEM version and Microsoft prohibits
Compaq from including the SETUP.EXE file. MS's position is that if Compaq
were to include the file, then the user has the ability of taking the CDROM
and installing W95 on any system they want to.
Regarding the QR; let's not forget, the Presario line is targeted at the
"inexperienced" home user, and giving a home user the ability of sticking a
CDROM and floppy in their system to restore everything back to defaults is
the main reason the Quick Restore exists. For those of us who have an
understanding of computers, we circumvent the Quick Restore process
altogether.
Regarding the OPTIONS/CABS; it exists simply for the speed of installing
W95 specific files without having to go to the W95 Companion CDROM. The
main issue for this subdirectory, is that if an inexperienced home user
calls Tech Support, and they don't have the W95 Companion CDROM because
they misplaced it, guess where Tech Support extracts the files from?
Granted, the subdirectory uses some space, but when you have a 1.6GB hdd
what's 29MBs? Again, if you're a seasoned W95 veteran, you know what
you're doing, and you don't plan on losing the W95 CDROM, then delete the
sub-directory and recover the 29MBs.
Lastly, down to what you want to know...
If you want to dump the Compaq StartUp Logo and HOMEBASE, I can tell you,
but remember this. The HomeBase contains ALL the HELP FILES for the
system, including the manuals for the preinstalled software, including
Magic Carpet, PGA Tour '96, Quicken, Phone Center, etc. You stop the
HomeBase from loading, say goodbye to the online manuals.
Regards,
Don
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Allen Robinson <all...@mail.enterprise1701.com> wrote in article
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SETUP.EXE on the W95 Companion CDROM is simple. Windows '95 is a =
licensed OEM version and Microsoft prohibits Compaq from including the =
SETUP.EXE file. MS's position is that if Compaq were to include =
the file, then the user has the ability of taking the CDROM and =
installing W95 on any system they want to.<br><br>Regarding the QR; =
let's not forget, the Presario line is targeted at the =
"inexperienced" home user, and giving a home user the ability =
of sticking a CDROM and floppy in their system to restore everything =
back to defaults is the main reason the Quick Restore exists. For =
those of us who have an understanding of computers, we circumvent the =
Quick Restore process altogether.<br><br>Regarding the OPTIONS/CABS; it =
exists simply for the speed of installing W95 specific files without =
having to go to the W95 Companion CDROM. The main issue for this =
subdirectory, is that if an inexperienced home user calls Tech Support, =
and they don't have the W95 Companion CDROM because they misplaced it, =
guess where Tech Support extracts the files from? Granted, the =
subdirectory uses some space, but when you have a 1.6GB hdd what's =
29MBs? Again, if you're a seasoned W95 veteran, you know what =
you're doing, and you don't plan on losing the W95 CDROM, then delete =
the sub-directory and recover the 29MBs.<br><br>Lastly, down to what you =
want to know...<br><br>If you want to dump the Compaq StartUp Logo and =
HOMEBASE, I can tell you, but remember this. The HomeBase contains =
ALL the HELP FILES for the system, including the manuals for the =
preinstalled software, including Magic Carpet, PGA Tour '96, Quicken, =
Phone Center, etc. You stop the HomeBase from loading, say goodbye =
to the online manuals.<br><br>Regards,<br>Don<br>-- <br><br>~ See why =
Web Stat Story currently rates Commodon Communications #90 out of 1000 =
websites !!! Visit <font =
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color=3D"#000000"><br><br><br><br>Allen Robinson <<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>all...@mail.enterprise1701.com</u><font =
color=3D"#000000">> wrote in article <<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>333dda87...@morgan.iocenter.net</u><font =
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"Mcdermotts" <<font =
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wrotf:<br>> <br>> >I too thought that the restore cd was a =
ripoff, as using it seems to be<br>> >Compaq Tech Support fix for =
most anything. Apparently there is no way to<br>> >safely extract =
specific files. On the other hand, my Presario also came<br>> =
>with a "Windows 95 Companion" cd, that has most of the =
files you may need.<br>> >My system also prompted me to create =
system disks ( 31 disks, what a pain),<br>> >and I finally did. =
Those disks are to reinstall Win 95. Support also told<br>> >me =
that there are backup files in the C:\windows\options\cabs =
directory,<br>> >which are the ones copied to disks.<br>> =
<br>> (snip)<br>> <br>> There is a workaround for not =
being able to unzip the files on the Restore<br>> CD . If you have =
the hard drive space, copy the zip files, then go to File:<br>> =
Properties and uncheck read only. You can then extract specific files =
from<br>> the copied zip file using any Win95 zip program. It's a =
pain, but it does<br>> work. I figured this out after the third time =
I used the Restore CD, and<br>> decided I had other things to do with =
my life besides reinstalling and then<br>> deleting the preloaded =
stuff I had no use for. I would love to get rid of<br>> Home Base, =
and get rid of the Compaq logos at startup, but I haven't<br>> =
figured out how to do this yet. Anybody know? <br>> <br>> I'm glad =
to get the information on the reason for the windows\options<br>> =
directory, as I just picked up about 29 megs of disk space by deleting =
the<br>> darn thing. I don't understand why the Create Disks =
program doesn't at<br>> least tell you that you can do this when =
you've made the backup. It's even<br>> more absurd that the Windows =
95 Companion CD doesn't have a "setup.exe",<br>> which =
would avoid the hassle altogether. I'm of the opinion that =
Presarios<br>> should come marked with a "first-time users =
only" warning :). <br>> </p>
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Unless I've misinterpreted what you've said, there's no way to get rid of
the red Compaq logo that you see upon bootup; it's part of the BIOS...
Regards,
Don
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1000 websites !!! Visit http://www.commodon.com/personal/index.html
RUDY <g...@gate.net> wrote in article <5hlh8s$172k$1...@news.gate.net>...
> all...@mail.enterprise1701.com wrote>
> =On 28 Mar 1997 12:26:45 GMT, "Mcdermotts" <jt...@gte.net> wrotf:
> = I would love to get rid of
> =Home Base, and get rid of the Compaq logos at startup, but I haven't
> =figured out how to do this yet. Anybody know?
> =
>
> On my Compaq 8712 Presario have not yet been able to change the
> "COMPAQ" that comes up center screen at bootup (found the file in C:,
> but editing logo.sys [or _logo.sys] and keeping it at 8 bytes resulted
> in no "COMPAQ" or whatever I edited COMPAQ to, just a listing of
> devices, etc. being loaded.
>
> H O W E V E R the screen that follows - with COMPAQ in the center and
> various features circled around it - is a 470kb Corel Photo-Paint file
> called start.bmp that I found in C:\Compaq\Support. By editing this file
> in Photo-Paint the screen on boot-up (following the lonely "COMPAQ"
> center screen) is now a rather abstract art screen.
>
> I too am still interested in a way to replace the original "COMPAQ"
> with whatever.
>
> I did get rid of the Homebase icon (kept the .exe and .bmp files just
> in case) - may have used TweakIU to remove it from the taskbar - not
sure.
>
> _________________________________________________
> George | Je compute, donc je suis (at least I think so). |
> |__ g...@gate.net ____ ___|
> PAUL REVERE VIRUS: This revolutionary virus does not horse around.
> It warns you of impending hard disk attack -- once if by LAN, twice if by
C:.
>
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color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">Unless I've misinterpreted what you've =
said, there's no way to get rid of the red Compaq logo that you see upon =
bootup; it's part of the BIOS...<br><br>Regards,<br>Don<br>-- <br><br>~ =
See why Web Stat Story currently rates Commodon Communications #90 out =
of 1000 websites !!! Visit <font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>http://www.commodon.com/personal/index.html</u><font=
color=3D"#000000"><br><br><br><br>RUDY <<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>g...@gate.net</u><font color=3D"#000000">> wrote =
in article <<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>5hlh8s$172k$1...@news.gate.net</u><font =
color=3D"#000000">>...<br>> <font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>all...@mail.enterprise1701.com</u><font =
color=3D"#000000"> wrote><br>> =3DOn 28 Mar 1997 12:26:45 GMT, =
"Mcdermotts" <<font =
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wrotf:<br>> =3D I would love to get rid of<br>> =3DHome Base, and =
get rid of the Compaq logos at startup, but I haven't<br>> =3Dfigured =
out how to do this yet. Anybody know? <br>> =3D<br>> <br>> On =
my Compaq 8712 Presario have not yet been able to change the <br>> =
"COMPAQ" that comes up center screen at bootup (found the file =
in C:, <br>> but editing logo.sys [or _logo.sys] and keeping it at 8 =
bytes resulted<br>> in no "COMPAQ" or whatever I edited =
COMPAQ to, just a listing of<br>> devices, etc. being loaded.<br>> =
<br>> H O W E V E R the screen that follows - with COMPAQ =
in the center and<br>> various features circled around it - is a =
470kb Corel Photo-Paint file<br>> called start.bmp that I found in =
C:\Compaq\Support. By editing this file<br>> in Photo-Paint the =
screen on boot-up (following the lonely "COMPAQ"<br>> =
center screen) is now a rather abstract art screen.<br>> <br>> I =
too am still interested in a way to replace the original =
"COMPAQ"<br>> with whatever.<br>> <br>> I did get rid =
of the Homebase icon (kept the .exe and .bmp files just<br>> in case) =
- may have used TweakIU to remove it from the taskbar - not sure. =
&=
nbsp; <br>> <br>> =
_______=
__________________________________________ <br>> George =
| Je compute, donc je suis (at least I think so). | =
<br>> =
|__ <font =
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&=
nbsp; &n=
bsp;___| <br>> PAUL REVERE VIRUS: This revolutionary virus does =
not horse around. <br>> It warns you of impending hard disk attack -- =
once if by LAN, twice if by C:. =
&=
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Jaime Kilpatrick <tec...@frontiernet.net> wrote in article
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Didn't you lose some of the features the Compaq came with when using this
install such as the Phone Center and the Easy Access buttons?
Also, how did you figure out which drivers you needed and where to get
them? Most of the hardware, i.e. modem, monitor, etc, are Compaq brands.
I couldn't find anything on Compaq's web site but a bunch of cryptic
numbers for the files--I couldn't tell what file went with what device.
Debra
Jaime,
I don't know whose message you're responding to, but if it's one of
mine, what works for you doesn't work for me. For the Presario 1065
laptop, no drivers were available from Compaq's web site until a week or
so ago, and they still don't have _all_ the drivers needed for either
the 1065 or the 1060 or the 1070. Compaq telephone support told me the
only place all the drivers are available is on the recovery CD.
KLR
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Ken,
I also have a 1065. Where did you find the drivers? I couldn't find a
thing. Which ones are on there?
Thanks,
Steve
Steve,
Check the URL below, which is a complete list of _all_ softpaqs:
http://www.compaq.com/support/files/allfiles.html
I found the following by using my browser's find feature (Netscape):
SP2343.EXE -- 216 K -- (05 February 97)
Presario 1000 Series Windows 95 Video Drivers VERSION: 5.16 Rev A
LANGUAGE: English
SP2569.EXE -- 672 K -- (27 November 96)
Compaq Presario 336-VSC Modem Driver Version 1.29 Update.
SUPERSEDES: SP2146
I didn't install either of these, but did extract to diskette. The video
drivers in SP2343 appear to be identical to those already installed. The
modem drivers in SP2569 appear to be an updated version of what was
installed.
I also found sound drivers at the ESS Audio site:
http://www.multiwave.com/scard-ess.html
I installed the drivers I downloaded from there; they appear to be
identical with those already installed.
These drivers still don't give you everything you need to do a "vanilla"
install from the backup diskettes or Windows CD. When I tried that, I
had four or five unknown devices that I think included the PCI bridge,
MMX extension, etc.
Someone pointed out that the necessary INF files are in \WINDOWS\INF,
and with those you can figure out what files to copy to diskette (along
with the INF) to create your own install diskettes. For me, this would
have involved more time and effort than brute force uninstall of
trashware and "enhancements", although I did have to restore from the
Recovery CD six times before everything was finally to my satisfaction.
I still believe Compaq is not providing proper support by not making
driver install diskettes available, and I urge anyone with a Compaq 1000
series laptop to complain to Compaq Customer Service (I've done so more
than once). Enough complaints might make someone listen, although for
me, it's really a moot point now. I traded laptops with my wife, so
she's using the Presario 1065 for play, and I'm using a Canon InnovaBook
490CDT for work.
KLR (e-Mailed and posted)
http://www.users.cts.com/king/s/serwin/osr2.html
a very interesting FAQ on OSR2, for anyone who likes to tinker!
I believe it also includes a few work-arounds for those that want to
install OSR2 over W95a.