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The Tactical Applications of Syntax

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Jonathan Troop

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Nov 30, 1993, 9:03:17 PM11/30/93
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The most profound and disturbing realization that comes upon the
discovery that it is indeed Dante's Inferno that gave birth to the most
common view of Hell is that Inferno may very well have given birth to the
actual Existing Hell that lies beyond death. How did he accomplish this?
I do believe that the creation of reality is a process of language and
the distribution of information. Once enough people have read an item or
a fiction, that fiction takes on a life of its own. For all intents and
purposes, the novel "Moby Dick" is a history text. "Dracula" confirmed
the belief that there are vampires. Academics begin to use these
fictions as the basis of theory and, as we all know well, academic theory
can be taken as fact in many cases(see "the Theory of Relativity).

So we come to the necessity of Tactical Syntax. Once the above is
understood, it should be obvious that the work of a Syntax tactician is
to infiltrate reality with fiction and, by so doing, blur the lines
between the two so that the unsuspecting reader will have to take all
that is written as fact and, thus, respond to it in kind. This is the
primary purpose.

Lazarus

antebi

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Dec 1, 1993, 12:06:40 AM12/1/93
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In article <dtroopCH...@netcom.com> dtr...@netcom.com (Jonathan Troop) writes:
)The most profound and disturbing realization that comes upon the
)discovery that it is indeed Dante's Inferno that gave birth to the most
)common view of Hell is that Inferno may very well have given birth to the
)actual Existing Hell that lies beyond death. How did he accomplish this?
)I do believe that the creation of reality is a process of language and
)the distribution of information. Once enough people have read an item or
)a fiction, that fiction takes on a life of its own. For all intents and
)purposes, the novel "Moby Dick" is a history text. "Dracula" confirmed
)the belief that there are vampires. Academics begin to use these
)fictions as the basis of theory and, as we all know well, academic theory
)can be taken as fact in many cases(see "the Theory of Relativity).
)
)So we come to the necessity of Tactical Syntax. Once the above is
)understood, it should be obvious that the work of a Syntax tactician is
)to infiltrate reality with fiction and, by so doing, blur the lines
)between the two so that the unsuspecting reader will have to take all
)that is written as fact and, thus, respond to it in kind. This is the
)primary purpose.
)
)Lazarus


Brilliant, if not obscure and verbose.


Fever Germ
CEO/GM A.S.T.


Saxony

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Dec 1, 1993, 1:45:49 AM12/1/93
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In article <dtroopCH...@netcom.com> dtr...@netcom.com (Jonathan Troop) writes:
>The most profound and disturbing realization that comes upon the
>discovery that it is indeed Dante's Inferno that gave birth to the most
>common view of Hell is that Inferno may very well have given birth to the
>actual Existing Hell that lies beyond death. How did he accomplish this?
>I do believe that the creation of reality is a process of language and
>the distribution of information. Once enough people have read an item or
>a fiction, that fiction takes on a life of its own. For all intents and
>purposes, the novel "Moby Dick" is a history text. "Dracula" confirmed
>the belief that there are vampires. Academics begin to use these
>fictions as the basis of theory and, as we all know well, academic theory
>can be taken as fact in many cases(see "the Theory of Relativity).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I am curious as to how you support this reference to relativity, and
in what context it is misused.


>
>So we come to the necessity of Tactical Syntax. Once the above is
>understood, it should be obvious that the work of a Syntax tactician is
>to infiltrate reality with fiction and, by so doing, blur the lines
>between the two so that the unsuspecting reader will have to take all
>that is written as fact and, thus, respond to it in kind. This is the
>primary purpose.
>
>Lazarus

I think I would argue that this is not a role for Tactical Syntax but
rather Tactical Semantics and/or Contextual tactics. Syntax deal only
with structure not meaning nor frame of reference. But Otherwise I
think that your Ideas are very interesting. Although I do wonder
whether Dante's vision of hell (fire and brimstone, etc) was entirely his
idea, or rather a reflection of ideas already existing.

Tacked Sinfully
saxony
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Mark Bisgeier

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Dec 1, 1993, 8:39:32 AM12/1/93
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dtr...@netcom.com (Jonathan Troop) writes:

>.............................. Once enough people have read an item or

>a fiction, that fiction takes on a life of its own.

That doesn't have *anything* do to with actual physical reality. Gravity
doesn't care whether you believe in it or not!
--

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:::::::::: "We've said all there is to be said, haven't we?" ::::::::::

Bill Cleere

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Dec 1, 1993, 11:39:08 AM12/1/93
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In article <1993Dec1.0...@news.stolaf.edu> zim...@mari.acc.stolaf.edu

(Saxony) writes:
>
>I think I would argue that this is not a role for Tactical Syntax but
>rather Tactical Semantics and/or Contextual tactics. Syntax deal only
>with structure not meaning nor frame of reference.
>
>Tacked Sinfully
>saxony

*Structure* is *meaning*. That is the whole point of the *apparent*
mis-naming of this newsgroup. Part of the *tactics* is to steal language
back from the academics who would have us believe that the real meaning
of language can only be found in areas which can be understood only by
them, not by "the rest of us".

Don't be deceived by the professionals who want to reduce language to:
(1) semantics (that is, little tiny bits which can only be studied
with an electron microscope), or
(2) "deep" structures which can only be studied by psycho-bio-physio-
-neurochemists

The meaning of language can be found in the same place where you learned
it as a child (when you didn't even know you were "learning" anything)--
in the *sentence*.

Anybody can test this. Just lay the above on an academic linguistician
(of any flavor). Watch the reaction--they go crazy, because they sense
that you're fucking with their whole world-view (not to mention their
phony jobs.) Try it!


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-- George Bernard Shaw

antebi

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Dec 3, 1993, 4:51:05 PM12/3/93
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In article <dtroopCH...@netcom.com> dtr...@netcom.com (Jonathan Troop) writes:
.The most profound and disturbing realization that comes upon the
.discovery that it is indeed Dante's Inferno that gave birth to the most
.common view of Hell is that Inferno may very well have given birth to the
.actual Existing Hell that lies beyond death. How did he accomplish this?
.I do believe that the creation of reality is a process of language and
.the distribution of information. Once enough people have read an item or
.a fiction, that fiction takes on a life of its own. For all intents and
.purposes, the novel "Moby Dick" is a history text. "Dracula" confirmed
.the belief that there are vampires. Academics begin to use these
.fictions as the basis of theory and, as we all know well, academic theory
.can be taken as fact in many cases(see "the Theory of Relativity).
.
.So we come to the necessity of Tactical Syntax. Once the above is
.understood, it should be obvious that the work of a Syntax tactician is
.to infiltrate reality with fiction and, by so doing, blur the lines
.between the two so that the unsuspecting reader will have to take all
.that is written as fact and, thus, respond to it in kind. This is the
.primary purpose.
.
.Lazarus

Kirsten Lea Swazey

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Dec 3, 1993, 8:50:54 PM12/3/93
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In <2docc9$9...@phakt.usc.edu> ant...@phakt.usc.edu (antebi) writes:
>In article <dtroopCH...@netcom.com> dtr...@netcom.com (Jonathan Troop) writes:
[prepratory summation of necessity of tactical syntax deleted]
>. ... Academics begin to use these
>.fictions as the basis of theory and, as we all know well, academic theory
>.can be taken as fact in many cases(see "the Theory of Relativity).
>.
>.So we come to the necessity of Tactical Syntax. Once the above is
>.understood, it should be obvious that the work of a Syntax tactician is
>.to infiltrate reality with fiction and, by so doing, blur the lines
>.between the two so that the unsuspecting reader will have to take all
>.that is written as fact and, thus, respond to it in kind. This is the
>.primary purpose.

bravo! well-stated! i have long believed it is fiction which writes our
worlds and our histories and thus of course our reality. it is of course
shakespeare's renditions of greek and english (european) historical figures
which shape our general conceptions of europe.
please elaborate. you have come upon this "tactical application of syntax"
as a lark? or is it a methodical process of thought and study. if the
latter, then i at least would like to hear more.
as regards the textual emotifiers (ie smilies; i have forgotten your term)
i think they say something important about the form. truly a well-phrased
paragraph is more illuminating than any derivation of the common smiley,
but the net communication typifies our interactions generally today.
particularly those of the more computer-oriented people. in the interests
of "time" many prefer the quick symbolic representation of their point
rather than the more exhaustive (and at times exhausting) mode of verbal
description.
my point? well, i have none; i was simply eager to respond to this
titilating post.

xtc

Wilf Leblanc

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Dec 3, 1993, 11:16:28 PM12/3/93
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x...@cats.ucsc.edu (Kirsten Lea Swazey) writes:

>bravo! well-stated! i have long believed it is fiction which writes our
>worlds and our histories and thus of course our reality. it is of course
>shakespeare's renditions of greek and english (european) historical figures
>which shape our general conceptions of europe.
>please elaborate. you have come upon this "tactical application of syntax"
>as a lark? or is it a methodical process of thought and study. if the
>latter, then i at least would like to hear more.
>as regards the textual emotifiers (ie smilies; i have forgotten your term)
>i think they say something important about the form. truly a well-phrased
>paragraph is more illuminating than any derivation of the common smiley,
>but the net communication typifies our interactions generally today.
>particularly those of the more computer-oriented people. in the interests
>of "time" many prefer the quick symbolic representation of their point
>rather than the more exhaustive (and at times exhausting) mode of verbal
>description.
>my point? well, i have none; i was simply eager to respond to this
>titilating post.

Kirsten !, welcome to our humble yet tactical abode. It is much, much
more than a lark, and you are quite correct in realizing that it is,
indeed, more geared towards the tactical application of syntax.
Where, and how, this tactical application is to be utilized, is,
of course, the purpose of this group.

Although emoticons and large characters may at times convey a certain
(non/)aggressive notion that you are trying to portray, for the most part,
they are used in excess. Furthermore, time shmime. If you are so busy
that you can't spend 30 seconds eloquently expressing yourself, then you
do not, by definition, belong in the syntactical, tactical abode.

In closing, I must comment on the fact that you have no emoticons, no
capital letters, no disgusting pseudo-name, no elaborate signature,
and still manage to express yourself quite clearly. Funny that.

-
bq

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